Tell someone who cares

Am I the only person who doesn’t give a tinker’s cuss about Schapelle Corby?  What is all the fuss and bother about?

She came from a druggy family, her father and brother have been in jail, she got caught … so what?

Were it not for the fact that she is much more attractive than your average prison inmate, I’m not sure anyone would care.  There have been other Australians released from foreign jails after a period of incarceration and no one gives a toss and there is no throng of media.

It seems that the ABC’s George Roberts of ‘burnt hands of asylum seekers fame’ was too busy to do the reporting, because there was some other ABC person outside the Bali jail.  Maybe George is chasing one of those towed back tenders, which according to the ABC, could never be done.

Here’s the news (drum roll, required):

Indonesia has confirmed 36-year-old convicted Australian drug trafficker Schapelle Corby has been granted parole after nine years in Bali’s Kerokoban prison.

Although not wanting to specifically comment on her case, Indonesian Justice Minister Amir Syamsuddin said at a short press conference that Corby’s application was among 1291 that had been finalised after reviewing some 1723 applications.

A statement issued by the Ministry of Law and Human Rights immediately after the short statement confirmed Corby had been granted parole because she has satisfied all the necessary conditions under Indonesia’s legislation.

Upon her release, Corby is expected to live in Bali for up to two years, work in her sister’s swimwear business, be free to work and pursue lucrative media deals to tell her story.

The parole decision had long been anticipated given the Justice Minister indicated as early as October that he could see no reason why Corby should not be released.

Since being arrested in 2004 at Denpasar Airport, the former Gold Coast beautician has always maintained her innocence.

She denied any knowledge of the 4.2 kilograms of marijuana found by Indonesian customs authorities in her boogie board bag, blaming Qantas Airways baggage handlers for planting it there.

An Indonesian court sentenced Corby to 20 years jail for drug smuggling in a highly publicised and dramatic televised trial in 2005 but she has received remissions for good behaviour in Bali’s overcrowded and squalid Kerobokan Prison.

Prison reports supporting her parole released in October suggested she spent much time praying in her room, her religious knowledge was considered medium and she was classed as courteous to other prisoners and prison officers, but suffered from bouts of depression.

In 2012, her 20-year sentence was slashed by five years after Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono granted her a clemency on humanitarian grounds.

If Corby had spent the remainder of her time in jail rather than on parole she could have been eligible for parole and to return to Australia in 2016, but she has told Indonesian authorities and family that she cannot wait that long to leave prison.

As a foreigner under changes to Indonesian law, Corby finds herself able to serve her sentence while on parole rather than be directly deported.

Once she leaves prison Corby is expected to stay at her sister Mercedes’s home in Kuta and brother-in-law Wayan Widyartha and work in their swimwear business.

The parole hearing determined Corby’s fate occurred last week, but the verdict was withheld until Friday and represented the last major hurdle before her probable release from Kerobokan Prison within days.

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176 Responses to Tell someone who cares

  1. Demosthenes

    Were it not for the fact that she is much more attractive than your average prison inmate, I’m not sure anyone would care.

    Accurate and succinct.

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    Seven News showed the sister’s “compound” in Bali where Schapelle is supposed to stay if she gets bail.

    Mansion is a better word. The family most definitely has money enough to buy or rent a quite imposing edifice for her to live in.

    Maybe they got an advance on the interview rights, which are supposed to be high six figure range. Most people in Australia earn less in 9 year thans she will have, after the payoffs.

  3. duncanm

    chalk me up for another who couldn’t give a flying proverbial.

  4. Amfortas

    I am damned annoyed that the ABC seems to be treating her as some sort of heroine-victim, and that Australia is affronted by her imprisonment. I wish they would be so assiduous outside Australian Family Courts.

  5. jupes

    What is all the fuss and bother about?

    Well if I remember correctly, in the beginning the fuss was about her being innocent and still getting 20 years jail by the Indons. Big Al Jones was banging on about her innocence then as much as he bangs on about CSG now. Interminably. Qantas baggage handlers were slandered in the process.

    Later we met the family and found out about inconvenient facts like her brother being a druggie and her dad’s besty being a dope peddler. Curiously he sold dope in vacuum sealed bags exactly like the bag Shappelle got busted with. But by then it was too late. Shappelle had become a minor celebrity in a reality TV kind of way.

  6. Sid Vicious

    Yes Judith, I don’t think we can take much more Schapelle Corby coverage. I would like to pass the hat around to see if we can raise enough money to get the captain of the Pasha Bulker to beach the old tub again. Perhaps our jouros could then descend on Newcastle and give us something different to look at.

  7. candy

    Were it not for the fact that she is much more attractive than your average prison inmate

    I’m afraid that’s true. Heroine status awaits (perhaps ? the world is much more cynical now).

    Just as a comment, I’ve always been impressed by the way her sister has been there for her and stood by her.

  8. much more attractive than your average prison inmate

    I’m usually not one to comment on anyone’s looks but if Miss Corby be not just ever so slightly more comely—which I might concede only arguendo—but “much more attractive” than the average inmate, then the typical inmate must be in the ol’ hatful of spiders territory.

  9. Mayan

    I have more sympathy for the ‘Bali Nine’. Sure, they were guilty, but the Australian government dropped the hammer on them in a death penalty jurisdiction rather than merely scooping them up at arrivals in Australia, making a mockery of our official opposition to the death penalty.

    Quite apart from my personal opposition to the death penalty, and the war on drugs in general, those people were bringing the heroin here to sell. Surely, the jurisdiction with a greater interest in this was Australia.

    Alas, they were not a photogenic bunch, and most used heroin, which made them instantly unworthy of attention or pity by the media and various otherwise noisy people.

  10. Andrew

    I care as much about the Bali 9 as about Corby

  11. .

    I thought the issue was she was too proud and dumb to bribe the officials, hence we all knew it was unfair…

  12. .

    Yes well deadman.

    “Young and thin” is not necessarily Ana Beatriz Barros.

  13. Mayan

    The difference between the media darling and the Bali Nine is that our government deliberately made a decision to put the latter at risk of a death penalty while officially opposing the death penalty.

    Not to mention the obvious: how stupid does one have to be to smuggle weed *into* Indonesia?

  14. jumpnmcar

    I still can’t understand why anyone smuggles weed into Bali.

  15. JohnA

    Demosthenes #1181357, posted on February 7, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    Were it not for the fact that she is much more attractive than your average prison inmate, I’m not sure anyone would care.

    Accurate and succinct.

    I still couldn’t give a tinker’s cuss.

  16. candy

    I still can’t understand why anyone smuggles weed into Bali.

    Why would someone do it then, jumpnmcar? because they did.

  17. Lysander

    Attractive? Have u been drinking?

  18. james

    I still remember Lefties I knew camping outside the Indonesian consulate in Sydney trying to ensure her release.

    Some of them are lawyers now. Tells you all you need to know about lawyers really.

  19. Honestly, ., the notion that Corby, thin or not, was attractive never occurred to me. In fact, frankly, I’m astonished.
    Still, it now—partially—explains for me what the media saw in the whole Corby story, all these years.

  20. will

    Weed is smuggled in by Europeans as other Europeans trust them in drug deals. The locals could be just ripping them off or could be undercover cops

  21. TerjeP

    Were it not for the fact that she is much more attractive than your average prison inmate, I’m not sure anyone would care.

    You forgot famous. Everybody has heard of her thanks to earlier media coverage of the story. In fact I think famous is more relevant than attractive.

    Now that you’ve brought it up (making her more famous) it is also worth stating that laws that lock people in a cage for nearly a decade on account of them transporting plant material are abhorrent. Cannabis should be legal. Sure she knew it wasn’t, but the law still sucks big time.

  22. will

    ….”swimwear business”……yeah right

  23. Cold-Hands

    When the truth finally comes out, I think we’ll find that Schapelle was used by her father/brother as an unwitting drug mule. If she knew it was there, she would have been better prepared to try and bribe her way through the system. The supposed version favoured by the Corbys- that baggage handlers planted it in her luggage- fails the logic test. I mean, cui bono?

  24. sdfc

    She’s famous because she’s attractive.

  25. steve of glasshouse

    Be nice. She could be Australian of the Year 2015

  26. tomix


    Not to mention the obvious: how stupid does one have to be to smuggle weed *into* Indonesia?

    Not stupid. The opinion of a Muslim acquaintance at the time was that she deserved to be executed.

    His reasoning: importing that quantity into a place like Bali would start a drug war in which people would certainly die.

    My impression is that her fans are middle aged male desperadoes.

  27. Jim Rose

    There is something feral in most cultures including australia where they object to foreign courts putting australians on trial. Guilt does not matter much.

  28. Scott

    Everyone I spoke to today were of the who cares variety.
    Which explains why most people I know despise the media elite.

  29. Walter Plinge

    No breeding. No class. “Schapelle’”? — for crying out loud.The one upside is she’s now past childbearing.

  30. Dan

    She certainly got tubby in goal. Must have been all those antidepressants

  31. Pedro the Ignorant

    Be nice. She could be Australian of the Year 2015

    Steve of Glasshouse.

    Nailed it, Steve. Having a drug trafficker anointed as the Chosen One might take some of the heat away from the choice of that semi literate hulking oaf who currently wears the mantle.

  32. CatAttack

    One of the drug couriers who in his book implicated Corby’s dad said Weed is smuggled into Bali because the hydroponic stuff from Australia is way superior to the local stuff. According to him Everyone imagines weed must grow better in the tropics. It doesn’t.

    Regarding the continuing interest in Corby witness the total lack of interest in the Ranae Lawrence and the Bali Nine. I’m afraid I support the the theory that the media is only hung up on Corby because she is in some quarters regarded as attractive and her sister dropped her duds for a men’s magazine. They are a colourful family.

  33. Alfonso

    A druggie and a user…and yet…had she confessed from conviction day 1 there is little doubt she’d have been out years earlier.
    Hardly anyone does 4kgs in a zippered pocket without securing the zip….it was open and exposing the placky bag at inbound Customs.

  34. lotocoti

    I’m still surprised that some people truly believe the one alleged cleanskin in that particular family happened to be caught up in an elaborate baggage handlers’ scam.
    If she’d been some wrung out, over tattooed houso with poor dentition, no one would remember her name.

  35. Des Deskperson

    ‘Were it not for the fact that she is much more attractive than your average prison inmate’

    She’s also whiter than your average Indonesian prison inmate.

    A consistent thread underlying Corby-philia is racism, that a whitey* shouldn’t be treated like that, personified most recently by a couple of Aussie bogan harpies on the Channel 1o news last night who tut-tutted how poor Schapelle shouldn’t have to put up with conditions in an Asian jail (with all those brown people).

    The Bali 9 are different – uglier and darker.

    *On the Maliboro in Jogjakarta a few years back, a stallholder asked me “Hey Whitey, wanna buy a watch?”

  36. tomix

    Everyone imagines weed must grow better in the tropics. It doesn’t

    Correctimundo. Bush must be better at altitude where cloud cover is less, and, irrespective of latitude,
    UVB has less atmosphere to penetrate.

  37. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Sigh.

    Here is how it is alleged to work with a certain alleged family most definitely not from QLD.

    We shall call them… the Borky’s. The Borky’s are alleged to be the second and third generations of a criminal clan most well know for allegedly running a large drug distro empire on the … north coast of NSW. A pretty gronkish bunch, none of them seem to have jobs but oddly enough they all live in houses only serious $$ can buy, and drive cars only serious $$ can buy, and take holidays only serious $$ can buy, and hang out with the social set that only serious $$ can buy too.

    One of their daughters, Audi, owns and operates a number of popular surf shops on a place called Delightful Tropical Island Suffering a Ghastly Bogan Infestation. All the expats on Delightful Tropical Island Suffering a Ghastly Bogan Infestation know that the local recreational chemicals are crap quality and a quarter of the local suppliers are working a nice little earner with the local plod (buy from them, get arrested, hand over a lot of $$$, go free) but nothing heavy, just whoopee weed.

    Daddy Borky allegedly uses Audi’s surf shops to launder $$ ‘earned’ back home on which regrettably little tax seems to be paid. But Audi is her daddy’s kid, and allegedly sees a nice little earner after a year or so on Delightful Tropical Island Suffering a Ghastly Bogan Infestation. And so a deal is allegedly struck with the Customs folks on Delightful Tropical Island Suffering a Ghastly Bogan Infestation, and members of the completely honest Borky family allegedly do routine milk runs to Delightful Tropical Island Suffering a Ghastly Bogan Infestation on alleged holidays. Oddly enough given that Audi operates surf shops, they routinely take surfing gear with them to Delightful Tropical Island Suffering a Ghastly Bogan Infestation.

    One day, one of the daughters, an apprentice Brazilian-style twat-hair wranglers named Chappelli after the great cricketer, is allegedly sent off on her second overseas holiday in a few months to Delightful Tropical Island Suffering a Ghastly Bogan Infestation there to see her loving sister, Audi Borky. She takes with her some alleged surfing gear (which is an odd name for a bag of whoopee weed, but to each their own). Obviously, apprentice Brazilian-style twat-hair wranglers are paid beaucoup $$ and can afford such things on a routine basis. But a problem arises. The normal gentleman (who is a very, very good friend of Audi Borky) from the Customs Service of Delightful Tropical Island Suffering a Ghastly Bogan Infestation misses a phone call from Audi and is not on duty that day and so cannot shepherd her straight through into the loving arms of her sister Audi (complete with alleged surfing gear).

    A sad, sad misunderstanding ensures. Chappelli Borky correctly says the whoopee weed is not hers and this is correct, it’s Daddy’s little alleged ‘gift’ to Audi. Meanwhile, Daddy and Audi are ducking and weaving, Chappelli the apprentice Brazilian-style twat-hair wrangler’s gone all sad and weepy, the press is having a field day and the AFP are laughing their arses off at all the fun.

    Is this not a nice little entirely fictional fairy story?

  38. sdfc

    The one upside is she’s now past childbearing.

    That’s a disgusting thing to say.

  39. .

    One of their daughters, Audi

    Lulz…

  40. Jim Rose

    that women on bail while her murder conviction was on appeal in Italy is another example of media hype and popular disdain for foreign courts

  41. sdfc

    Were they as good looking as Schapelle Jim? She was absolutely gorgeous by the way.

  42. Jannie

    The war on drugs has many weird Consequences. She was however proven guilty, and she knew the consequences. She, her Family, and lawyers, only made it worse for her. The oz media didn’t help much either. I am sort of glad to see her getting out, but when her mob start slagging off the Indonesians, they will make it harder for others who get busted in the future. And. They will probably blame it. All on Tony Abbott.

    Sticky. iPad keys keep inserting dots.

  43. Megan

    Mk50, at the time all of this was happening I was told an identical fairy story matching every detail from a very trustworthy source living on Delightful Tropical Island and very familiar with colourful local identities at the time. Curious, no?

    It does explains Audi’s unremitting devotion.

  44. One of their daughters, Audi

    Could’ve been worse, he could’ve gone for Volvo—or, come to think of it, DeLaChapelle.

  45. lem

    The one upside is she’s now past childbearing.

    That’s a disgusting thing to say.

    Correct, because sadly it is not true.

  46. candy

    Correct, because sadly it is not true.

    I would imagine it’s the one thing she truly wants to do now, to be a mother.
    I tend to think she’s done her time, and be done with it. I hope the family stay out of the media spotlight and just let it fade.

  47. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I am sorry for her. She comes from a screwed up family. That is not an easy cross to bear.
    Everyone loves their family. Who knows what she was embroiled in. I don’t, nor do you. And she is (was) beautiful; don’t deny that. Looks always matter when you have nothing else.

    All you people, Judith included, who can sit and be so sure of yourselves, so sure that you are the way you are because you are somehow good and better, not because of where life has landed you, should take another look at yourselves. My Sainted Mother used to say there but for the Grace of God go I. I’d prefer to see it that way, just a little bit. God knows, my mum didn’t get much Grace.

    Yes, I am sorry for the Bali 9 too; and there I am angry. Angry because our government let that happen. Scott Rush was only 18 years old, and his father thought he was doing the right thing by informing on him. He signed his own son’s death warrant doing that. Great stuff, Federal police.

    As for legalising dope. Houso kids would get fed even less and never go to school. Grow up.
    Get rid of welfare and give people a chance.

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Correct, because sadly it is not true.

    I hope she meets a kind man, marries him, gets pregnant and has a beautiful baby. She still could.

  49. Ed

    She was very attractive. I personally wanted to go right over there and rescue her, white knight style, myself. And the media coverage made a good case that she was innocent.

  50. lotocoti

    that women on bail while her murder conviction …

    In that particular case any lack of confidence in the Italian judicial system is not without foundation.

  51. Up The Workers!

    If and when she finally comes back to Australia, the Labor (sic) Party can appoint her “Director-General” of something on a salary of hundreds of thousands of taxpayers’ dollars per annum.

    Ever since the days of Oily Al Grassby, Labor has looked after its’ “Little Mates” in that particular field of horticultural specialization.

    There is a precedent to this…just ask Mrs Coutts-Trotter, Bull Shitten’s trusty sidekick in the Australian Liars Party.

  52. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Dot, shame on you for mistaking that fairy tale for anything even remotely resembling reality. Megan has hear that entirely fictional fairy tale before too!

    It’s a popular fairy tale, no?

  53. .

    As for legalising dope. Houso kids would get fed even less and never go to school. Grow up.
    Get rid of welfare and give people a chance.

    The idea that bad parents in poor areas don’t touch drugs because they are illegal is laughable.

    They have less to spend on food etc because drugs aren’t cheap. Specifically, alcohol and tobacco, which are taxed usuriously.

  54. Everyone loves their family.

    That, unfortunately, is not always so.
    I could tell you tales that would make a rat vomit.

  55. HK_Brother

    “Tonight, Schapelle Corby…blah blah blah”
    * Change channel *
    “Schapelle Corby may have to wait…blah blah blah”
    * Change channel *
    “Schapelle Corby may be released…blah blah blah”
    * Turn off TV. Goes on Internet instead. *

    I have no trouble with the Corbys and don’t wish any ill will upon them…I just learned not to care.

  56. sabrina

    Very well said Lizzie.
    On a related note, I sincerely hope Oz press or magazine outlets do heed to Tony Abbott’s advice, however thinly veiled it was.

  57. candy

    That, unfortunately, is not always so.
    I could tell you tales that would make a rat vomit.

    That’s very true Deadman. But I think Lizzie meant something else (if I amy so so, Lizzie?)
    A family does what it does, and it can be criminal, but there’s the family and a person is part of it and just stuck with it. It’s all they’ve got!

  58. Fisky

    “she is much more attractive than your average prison inmate”

    Highly controversial

  59. Derp

    I don’t care about her or any other drug smuggler.
    I don’t care how much time she’s served. Their country, their rules.
    Any and all coverage, drama, report etc gets ignored, muted or flicked.

  60. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The idea that bad parents in poor areas don’t touch drugs because they are illegal is laughable.

    I didn’t say that, Dot. They will do drugs as much as they can. Make them free or cheaper and they’ll do more, more often. Users are never concerned about the niceties of the legal situation. Just with supply and expense. They’d drink and smoke more too if they could.

    Go and live with a houso druggie family for a week. Might change your mind a bit. The hardest bit is when the kids are whinging hungry and bruised in a corner and the sofa is on fire.

  61. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Jumpt:

    I still can’t understand why anyone smuggles weed into Bali.

    think about it for a bit. The expats and touristas are used to high cannabinoid content hydro and ‘super-head’ stuff five times as strong as bush-grown weed. Bali stuff’s all bush grown and modern stuff’s unknown. Secondly, you cannot trust the locals as they can earn big bucks by shopping the foreigners.

    So they simply set up their own network for the supply of high quality gear from sources they can really trust and retail it through a similar network of trusted foreigners who do NOT sell to the locals at all.

    By paying the right people and not selling to the locals, the local plod’s happy and looks the other way.

    Simple, really.

  62. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Lizzie:

    Go and live with a houso druggie family for a week. Might change your mind a bit. The hardest bit is when the kids are whinging hungry and bruised in a corner and the sofa is on fire.

    Absolutely nailed it.

  63. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Everyone loves their family.

    Every child when growing up loves their family. These ties bind, and they can also warp and turn into something else. But never, ever, deny the importance of families in people’s lives. Rats’ vomit stories abound; the homeless are on any street; some of them ask for it and left their families at their wits end; some didn’t deserve this fate, they just received a rotten deal regardless. Some families sit neatly on oh-so-nice chairs and take poisoned tea with each other; some belong in TV BBQ commercials they are so nice and normal and worthwhile.

  64. Leo G

    Am I the only person who doesn’t give a tinker’s cuss about Schapelle Corby? What is all the fuss and bother about?

    I think it’s worth some fuss and bother.
    First, on the absurdity of someone trying to smuggle improperly dried marijuana via airline checked luggage from Australia into Indonesia. The same matter would be far safer to conceal as hash or cannabis oil, and in any form more valuable for sale within Australia, with lower risk of detection, much lower risk of significant penalty if detected.
    Consider that Corby was effectively denied a fair trial. There was no evidence demonstrating that Corby knew the drug was in her bag before the counter inspection where the drug was officially detected. Under such circumstances in Australia the case against her would be dismissed without a trial.
    Then there is the bizarre coincidence of Federal Police informant instigated complaints against Corby’s father some years earlier (proven false by Qld Police); on the day Corby travelled to Indonesia, a major federal Police Operation at Sydney Airport aimed at interrupting a major international cocaine smuggling operation, but organised by a corrupt Assistant Commissioner who was a principal of the cocaine ring; and then the apparent co opting of a convicted interstate marijuana smuggler- convicted but awaiting sentencing- to be provided with a visa to visit and be photographed with Corby and to subsequently frustrate her appeal.

  65. candy

    First, on the absurdity of someone trying to smuggle improperly dried marijuana via airline checked luggage from Australia into Indonesia.

    Ah, but they did.

  66. .

    Go and live with a houso druggie family for a week.

    No it won’t because you are being emotional and sappy and I am talking about numbers.

    The more money spent on the kids…the better. We can do this by reducing the cost of living – including items you say they refuse to give up, and the government taxes – at a very heavy rate. If drugs are cheaper, then they can spend more on food for their kids, right?

    If I’m wrong the only solution is to chuck Mummy and Daddy in gaol for a long time (neglect) and palm off Tyson and Crystal to a nice family in Pymble or Whale Beach. Nor would such cases of neglect matter if drugs were legal or not.

    If the cost of a pack of ciggies halved (what would happen pretty much if excise was abolished), you wouldn’t smoke twice as much, would you?

    You might get nearly $100 a week more for the family to spend on food as well.

  67. .

    BTW

    $100 bucks goes a long way at Aldi.

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    ps. Thanx Candy. You and I know from personal experience how it feels. You love them, even when you’ve plugged your fingers in your ears to keep out the sounds of their fighting and there’s a pit in your stomach because you know tonight’s going to be another night like that.

    We have thus both turned into oil-bearers – pouring it out onto troubled waters, anxious little girls.
    Little speakers up (squeakers up?) for the underdogs of life.

  69. mundi

    Jannie, I don’t know how you can say that she, her Family, and lawyers, only made it worse for her….

    She got caught drug smuggling, which is death penalty. She managed to get minimum 20 years, which was immediately appealed because of how lenient it was (every other similar case got life).

    She managed to not only get the minimum sentence, but to beat the appeal for higher sentence. Then she got a ridiculous number of concessions to have that sentence reduced by over 10 years.

    She played the media just fine. Compare that to the Bali 9 who tried the same tactics only to have their charges upgraded from 20 years to life in prison!

  70. Mayan

    Thank you for an injection of reality, Lizzie.

    An experience that was a big wake up for me, waking me out of a pure-theory point of view, was some people who rented a house across the road from my parents. They were nice people, it’s just that all three had come to chase the dragon. One, whom my parents found a soft spot for, was a well educated, employed woman when her husband suggested going to a party, and furthermore suggested trying something … just once. Once became a dictator. She moved away, and we heard that she had died a year or so afterwards.

    Personal responsibility is something for which we should all strive and I detest the mindless intervention of the state, but I have learned to be a little more forgiving of human weakness. The woman who lived across the road for a few months joined in to keep things good with her husband. Not rational, but I can see how that happens.

    I’m far from a bleeding heart (callous according to some, in fact), but there have been times when I have learned things about others and have had the opportunity to reflect how a different decision here or there in my life could have had a huge effect … and could have had me on a morgue slab in my 20s. However, I had a good family, and my upbringing was good, and I just plain didn’t have the friends needed to get into serious trouble. Still, it could have been different.

    Really, this is just an extension of me calling my left-wing friends on their puerile name-calling and personal attacks on right of centre political figures.

  71. Goanna

    Well said Lizzie.
    Back in ’72 I knew an Aussie in Bali that got done with 2 kgs of cannabis.
    This was in the days before there was more of Javanese influence on the island. His punishment was to sleep in a cell at night-time, the days he was free. The Balinese were cool.
    Then came the war on drugs – a good make-work scheme for coppers and crims.

    (For the uninformed, cannabis sativa thrives in the tropics.)

    As for Schappelle: There but for the grace of God go I.
    Rejoice in her new found freedom and show some generosity of spirit.

    It appears some list members are snobs.
    And some never had a wild youth – that’s obvious.

  72. .

    If Indon was not corrupt as it is, any severe imprisonment or execution would be viewed similarly as Singapore dealing with smugglers…”those poor unfortunates, but we all know what happens there”

    Corby’s case was a crock because everyone knows if you swallow your pride and man up cash to the local coppers etc the incidents disappear.

  73. JC

    Of course she is or was not a bad looker. She’s at least a 7.38 in this pic.

    http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2009/05/25/538682/corby-420×0.jpg

  74. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Yep, emotional and sappy, Candy, that’s us (or me anyway a/c to Dotty). You’ve done the numbers, Dot, I’ve done the hard yards. We’re pretty equal I guess.

    My bro would smoke twice as much nicotine if it cost less, Dot, and so would I in the old days when I was poor and before I gave it away. He’s had to virtually give up the dope because he can’t afford it now he has kids and I am looking over his shoulder on their welfare. It’s done him the world of good btw. He’s halfway sensible most of the time now. I can’t see any advantage in making dope cheaper – it is a pernicious drug that destroys the mind and capabilities. Smokes at least don’t cripple your head, just your lungs. Alcohol – well, it’s got a few thousand years of social conditioning and cultural usage control on its side; but it is still a problem for some. Not denying any of that. Nor that cheaper food and better household budgeting would make things better.

    What have you got against Pymble and Whale Beach? Reverse snobbery there. Personally, I prefer the Eastern Suburbs, but that’s just me.

  75. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Bedtime for me. I’ll be back in the morning Dot. After my dance class though.

  76. The reason people care is because there is pretty compelling evidence to suggest she was innocent.

  77. James of the Glen

    “First, on the absurdity of someone trying to smuggle improperly dried marijuana via airline checked luggage from Australia into Indonesia..”.

    Not absurd at all, almost routine, if you’re expecting “the man” is on duty ready to wave you through.

  78. sdfc

    I’m not interested in the winter Olympics but Stephen Bradbury is out greatest ever sportsman after Bradman.

  79. JC

    The reason people care is because there is pretty compelling evidence to suggest she was innocent.

    How so? From what I recall she was found to be holding drugs in a boogy board or something similar. I don’t think the claim that you didn’t know would hold water in any legal jurisdiction unless there was compelling evidence to suggest otherwise.

  80. Tiny Dancer

    I have always wondered how it got through our customs, if it did in fact go through them.

    Anyone who imports or deals in heroin can go to hell. I have no sympathy for the Bali 9. I’ve done some hard yards too.

    Corby had a great rack.

  81. Leo G

    From what I recall she was found to be holding drugs in a boogy board or something similar. I don’t think the claim that you didn’t know would hold water in any legal jurisdiction unless there was compelling evidence to suggest otherwise.

    The drug was found unconcealed, in an open plastic bag (a vacuum-sealable bag which was no longer sealed) in an unlocked zip-up bag alongside a bodyboard.
    The onus of proof is on the prosecution to show that a person was aware of the presence of drugs found in their possession. That applies as well in Indonesia as Australia. The Indonesian prosecutor evaded this point of law through the destruction of evidence.

  82. JC

    What did you do Dancer? What were you “importing” and where?

  83. Infidel Tiger

    The reason people care is because there is pretty compelling evidence to suggest she was innocent.

    She was almost certainly used as an unwitting mule by her deadbeat dad and brother.

    The reason weed is smuggled into Indonesia is that the weed grown there is crap compared to the hardcore hydro grown in Oz.

  84. The fact that so many people are thought to care (thus the media circus) is insulting to the intelligence of Australians.

    I don’t want to die by firing squad, so I don’t traffic drugs into Bali, simple!

  85. Tel

    I don’t want to die by firing squad, so I don’t traffic drugs into Bali, simple!

    I’ll go one step better and not visit Bali at all. They obviously don’t much appreciate my kind over there, and it saves on both air fares and any confusion that might happen.

  86. Wozzup

    No you are not the only one who is disinterested. To that I would also add p*ssed off, annoyed and bored. As you say Corby is a bogan. Not only that a bogan from a bogan family with a history of drug dealing. And she got caught with a large quantity of drugs in her possession. What worries me is that successive Australian governments have apparently spent their “diplomatic capital” pleading with the Indonesians to let her off more easily – all to make them look sweet in the eyes of their darling voters. Capital that could have been spent on much more serious and important issues like working jointly with Indonesia to resolve border protection issues. Besides I have no problem with sending a message to druggies that if they wish to smuggle drugs into a country with capital punishment or a long period of imprisonment as a penalty for being caught then its at their own risk. There is a lot to be said for personal responsibility – as unfashionable as this idea is these days, especially on the left. In any event my bet is that before long she will be stupid enough to breach her bail conditions in some way and run the risk of ending up back inside. Now that would be something interesting about the Corby circus.

  87. JC

    Isn’t her case similar as when stash is found in someone’s car though. It’s really hard to disown it unless you can offer strong evidence.

    She was almost certainly used as an unwitting mule by her deadbeat dad and brother.

    Imagine Xmas get togethers after she’s let out. You could cut the air with a knife.

  88. JC

    Dancer.

    JC ?????

    I’ve done some hard yards too.

    What does that mean?

  89. JC

    I’m guessing there was plenty of food in prison and she quite liked Indonesian. She filled out over a decade.

    http://images.smh.com.au/2012/05/22/3316321/corby729-420×0.jpg

  90. Tiny Dancer

    Related to an idiot who thinks drugs are cool. Still going through it.

    The only thing I ever imported was charisma and awesome. In bulk.

    I am surprised that people have rose coloured glasses on when they are dealing with these clowns. It only ends one of three ways, misery, jail and/or death.

  91. JC

    I am surprised that people have rose coloured glasses on when they are dealing with these clowns. It only ends one of three ways, misery, jail and/or death.

    You’d have to be a complete moron to import drugs by air as it’s one of the most closely controlled/supervised things we do.

  92. She was almost certainly used as an unwitting mule by her deadbeat dad and brother.

    Which means she was innocent.

  93. samuel j

    I’m glad you wrote this Judith – I had been thinking of doing the same! She did the crime and does the time (not the full time by all accounts). She must have a good PR operation though. And a movie? For God’s sake, what boringness would that be? Showing her sitting in a prison for 10 years. Perhaps they might show the boogie board and the stash of hash.

  94. I’m guessing there was plenty of food in prison and she quite liked Indonesian. She filled out over a decade.

    She went in as a young girl and left as a middle-aged woman. Hardly surprising she gained weight.

  95. JC

    She was almost certainly used as an unwitting mule by her deadbeat dad and brother.

    Why didn’t the father and the bro offer evidence here in Australia that was the case. They would have got 2 days community service in comparison under Australian law.

  96. JC

    A young girl is 18 to 24, Yobbo. 34/35ish is not middle aged.

  97. However you want to define it, there is significant difference between the metabolism of a 28 year old and a 36 year old.

  98. “I’ll go one step better and not visit Bali at all. They obviously don’t much appreciate my kind over there, and it saves on both air fares and any confusion that might happen.”

    Fair call, and I think many share that view.

    “Isn’t her case similar as when stash is found in someone’s car though. It’s really hard to disown it unless you can offer strong evidence.”

    A vehicle is different and treated differently in different places, in Queensland for example any and all occupants of a vehicle can be charged with possession of anything in the vehicle. In some US States the driver is charged with possession even if drugs are found on a passenger, the onus is on the driver to ensure no-one in the vehicle is using that vehicle for the transportation of drugs.

    A closed bag on the other-hand, it is something that is specific property, and it is assumed that only one person is responsible for that property.

    If you travel, use a bag lock and examine your bags carefully before you get to the customs desk. If you think it is dodgy, take its contents out and take the tag off and leave it there.

  99. Squirrel

    The fact that Nine has brought forward the telemovie (I’ll be catching up with jailbird Cleaver, rather than following the travails of jailbird Schapelle) and that Aunty is also getting quite excited, tells us that there’s something in this for everyone, and probably tells our observant neighbours more about us than the Australia Network ever could.

    Does Indonesia make telemovies about photogenic fishermen who get pinged for helping people smugglers?

  100. JC

    However you want to define it, there is significant difference between the metabolism of a 28 year old and a 36 year old.

    Whatever Doctor Yobbo, but she’s not middle aged. She’s 37ish when she gets out.

  101. Leo G

    The reason weed is smuggled into Indonesia is that the weed grown there is crap compared to the hardcore hydro grown in Oz.

    There is a flood of high-grade Marijuana into Indonesia via Aceh, and the native plant is the stock used to develop the hydroponic skunk variety. Australian tourists may have difficulty finding sellers, but it is there in substantial quantities.
    The photographs of the Corby marijuana indicated a very low quality product with numerous large leaves.

  102. squawkbox

    She was almost certainly used as an unwitting mule by her deadbeat dad and brother.

    Unwitting? How can you fail to notice your boogie board weighs an extra 5kg?

  103. JC

    Does Indonesia make telemovies about photogenic fishermen who get pinged for helping people smugglers?

    They do. Life of Pie. Pie had a boat load of Afgahnis and a tiger on their way the Christmas Island.

  104. rebel with cause

    She was almost certainly used as an unwitting mule by her deadbeat dad and brother.

    Which means she was innocent

    I don’t know about unwitting, it’s not as if she has ever suggested that her deadbeat dad might have slipped the drugs in. Didn’t she try to blame it on Qantas baggage handlers?

  105. Leo G

    Unwitting? How can you fail to notice your boogie board weighs an extra 5kg?

    I believe Ms Corby didn’t carry the the bag. Initially it was Corby’s brother who was interviewed by the customs officials. They switched their attention to Shapelle Corby when they realised that the bag and the bodyboard belonged to her.
    But if the brother was the smuggler, he would have been sensitive to any indication that there had been interference with the bag, particularly any increased volume, or any obvious odour. The bag would then have been abandoned.

  106. squawkbox

    Returning to the main point of Judith’s post, it’s the first and almost certainly last time I will link to the Drum, but this article doesn’t have a bad take on the media circus. In her ghastly way, Schappelle Corby is the Australian bogan everywoman.

  107. Jannie

    Mundi, they made it worse for her because they insulted the Indos, made a big deal of it in the Indo media, and gave the authorities little room to move. Indo public opinion turned against her because they don’t like precious white girls getting special treatment. Quiet diplomacy in tyhe background would have achieved far more. Like most Asians they don’t like whiteys lecturing them about morality and their their legal system.

    Btw, Oz hydro is far superior to Sumatran or Bali bush grass. There is also a market for it amongst tourists and surfers.

    Lizzie, your Nanny lectures about marijuana messing your mind are pretty ignorant. You are wrong, but even if you were right, you still don’t have the right to tell me or other people what we may or not consume. If your kids turn out to be junkies you have nobody to blame but yourself, and the other Nannies maybe.

  108. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Going back in time when the conversation waned one of us would send the signal and the same bloke as last time would venture “Well how do we feel about the murderer Chamberlain?”

    The same other bloke’s wife who hooked into him right off the bat last time he asked that question would, well, hook into him right off the bat.

    Then it would be on for a couple of hours – with most of us baying like the Itie mob in the Colosseum, wandering inside for a game of pool, returning to listen for a bit and fall about laughing, then off to the fridge ‘cos “It’s your shout Mick.”

    Reading and enjoying this here tonight offers the same grand entertainment, from mocking to indifference to spirited retrial, indignation and sobfulness, about a matter of absolutely no importance to the country back then and now still. That is, apart from the salutary lesson that doing what Sharpelle did isn’t real bright, especially because over there is not here.

    From Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman at 9:59 pm comes a remarkably similar account to that of a bogan family from Tugun with business interests in Indonesia somewhere, paddock facilities just past the Sunshine Coast, a handy cash flow from trade plied at the local pub and surf club and a couple of dopey males who spent time in Wacol slammer and on the dole. The matriarch, with a head like a robber’s dog and a manner to match, had a fish and hamburger shop opposite the Workers Club about a mile from here, a handy position near the early opener.

    They are people one would choose to not live with for a week, no. Why on earth would you want to?

    Parts of Bali are special (Kuta most certainly is not) and the Balinese are simply the gentlest, whisper quiet people – industrious, polite and helpful. In the face of foul mouthed, ignorant, superior, condescending Australian yobbos who blunder about, routinely spewing all over their suburb, front gate, doorway and families they remain the same. One trusts they smile approvingly as they watch the blow in con men from elsewhere in Indonesia mercilessly rip the drongos off.

  109. Ed

    Unwitting? How can you fail to notice your boogie board weighs an extra 5kg?

    As I recall, the brother was carrying the bag for her and was initially stopped and questioned about it. Schappelle saw the exchange and instantly said that it was her bag. So they turned to her and said, okay then, fine, you stand here while we open it.

  110. Walter Plinge

    I hope she meets a kind man, marries him, gets pregnant and has a beautiful baby. She still could.

    I like fairy fantasies too but this scenario is unimaginable. The sprog will be named Krystaal or Audi and will carry on the family ‘trade’. It certainly won’t grow up to be a brain surgeon. Trash breeds trash. Fortunately, given her age, childbearing is difficult.

  111. Anthony S Adams

    I too might be a septic were it not for the fact that:
    The drug was destroyed prematurely and wasn’t tested for its origins
    Subsequent to her trial it was proved that baggage handlers were interfering with luggage
    Video tapes of the Sydney baggage area was lost
    Weight records of her baggage were lost
    There are just too many unanswered questions for her trial to have been fair! 10 years is long enough!

  112. Anthony S Adams

    I too might be a sceptic were it not for the fact that:
    The drug was destroyed prematurely and wasn’t tested for its origins
    Subsequent to her trial it was proved that baggage handlers were interfering with luggage
    Video tapes of the Sydney baggage area was lost
    Weight records of her baggage were lost
    There are just too many unanswered questions for her trial to have been fair! 10 years is long enough!

  113. Poseidon

    The family owned a fish shop in Southport. I think.

  114. flyingduk

    At the end of the day, whilst there is a degree of circumstantial evidence of the crime, what with the family history etc, I have to question how you can expect an incoming passenger to guarantee the contents of their luggage, given it has been out of their custody for some hours before they collect it at the baggage carousel. Are we all expected to open our bags and go through them piece by piece before fronting up to customs? Its a different story at the start of the journey, but who can honestly say they know for sure what is in their bags when they collect them at the end?

  115. Oh come on

    I can see why she was newsworthy. Yes, sort of attractive, but that didn’t make her the ongoing news Goliath she is today. It was the spectacle of the shrieking harpy family on steroids basically writing the book on how to get the Indonesian justice system to be as harsh as it possibly could be to a white person without actually throwing them in front of a firing squad.

    I saw the 2005 interview of Mercedes outside the court house post verdict and was re-shocked. That shit be newsworthy.

    And like the death of Elvis and the callup of Numbers to serve in Vietnam, it proved to be the diversion – the salvation – of lives previously destined to end in mediocrity and obscurity. They’ll all be dining out on these single moments for the rest of our lives. Profiting handsomely, too. (Perhaps Elvis posthumously, but I don’t believe the rumours.)

  116. jupes

    You’ve done the numbers, Dot, I’ve done the hard yards. We’re pretty equal I guess.

    Whack!!!!!

    It’s a knockout.

  117. Dan

    Why would you smuggle it in? Why not set up a hydro business in Bali. The input costs would have to be cheaper.

  118. Corby had a great rack.

    Impossible. I would have noticed.

    Oh, and speaking of alcyhol, if it were truly the curse some say it is, wouldn’t Muslims be significantly better behaved on the whole? I await evidence.

  119. ugh

    “The drug was destroyed prematurely and wasn’t tested for its origins”

    She was accused of smuggling a drug, they confirmed it was said drug and destroyed it – that isn’t premature. What have the origins got to to with the trial of a drug smuggler anyway?

    “Subsequent to her trial it was proved that baggage handlers were interfering with luggage”

    It was? All I heard were wild allegations from the Corbys that their lawyer later admitted was BS

    “Video tapes of the Sydney baggage area was lost”

    Video tapes? You think airport security use VHS to monitor things?

    “Weight records of her baggage were lost”

    The weight of the bag is recorded on the baggage tag, the baggage tag was still attached to the bag in Indonesia and was used to establish the bag was Schapelle’s – ergo the weight record was in Indonesia attached to her bag and wasn’t at all lost.

    “There are just too many unanswered questions for her trial to have been fair!”

    @Anthony S Adams How about you suggest a question that IS actually unanswered, rather than spouting Mercedes’ conspiracy theories and pretending they are facts…

  120. Leigh Lowe

    Am I the only person who doesn’t give a tinker’s cuss about Schapelle Corby?

    You’re probably the only person who still uses the phrase “tinker’s cuss”, Judith.

  121. ugh

    Oh, and speaking of alcyhol, if it were truly the curse some say it is, wouldn’t Muslims be significantly better behaved on the whole? I await evidence.

    Hit the nail on the head…

  122. Leo G

    You’re probably the only person who still uses the phrase “tinker’s cuss”, Judith.

    The tinker’s curse was a superficial repair. Not to give a tinker’s curse is literally to regard damaged goods as unworthy of repair- idiomatically, a disregard for politically correct concerns.

  123. Tel

    The weight of the bag is recorded on the baggage tag.

    That’s a bit unusual, has anyone got a photo of a baggage tag with weight, I’ve never seen one. Wikipedia hasn’t seen one either:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bag_tag

    Besides the license plate number, the tag also has:
    * Name of airport of arrival
    * Departure time
    * IATA airport code of airport of arrival
    * Airline code and flight number
    * Name of passenger identified with the baggage (last name, first name)

    My tags have always looked just like the one on the Wikipedia page.

  124. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Don’t have a photo, but I have a baggage tag in front of me issued by Viet Nam Airlines “Bags 1/16″ which from memory, was the weight of the suitcase. I will stress, from memory, but we are in the habit of weighing our luggage (to prevent those last minute, embarrassing repacks…..)

  125. Anthony S Adams

    @ugh you sound a bit dopey perhaps someone should check your origins? The reason origin is important is that a DNA test could have proved where it was grown and as a consequence whether Corby could have had access to it prior to depositing her luggage into the airlines care in Queensland.

    And @Tell of course baggage is weighed how else do you think they calculate fuel requirements? The weight may not appear on the luggage tag but I’ll bet that it’s recorded in the airline records per the bar code.

  126. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Everyone ignores the loudly trumpeting woolly mammoth in the room, something I find hilarious.

    Ever travelled with unusual/oversized luggage? I sometimes do – hunting rifles – and what a lot of faffing about/pain in the date it all is.

    So off goes this drug courier with a boogie board….

    Hang on, sis owns a surf shop which rents out and sells such things. Sis is a surfer herself. What, sis has no boogie boards??

    Pull the other one, it plays jingle bells.

  127. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Anthony S Adams at 11:06 am:

    “@ugh you sound a bit dopey perhaps someone should check …”

    Poor dopey Anthony – they found the Smuggling Queen guilty, near a decade ago, confirmed on appeal. Why the retrial?

  128. Leo G

    That’s a bit unusual, has anyone got a photo of a baggage tag with weight, I’ve never seen one.

    Nor should you see the weight recorded on the baggage tag. The total weight of checked luggage for each traveller, or for each group of travellers, is recorded on the Baggage Services Message, a database file.

  129. ugh

    “@ugh you sound a bit dopey perhaps someone should check your origins? The reason origin is important is that a DNA test could have proved where it was grown”

    The conspiracy theorist is questioning my origins. Playing the man and not the ball eh @Anthony S Adams?

    If a person is carrying illegal drugs through customs its a crime regardless of where the drugs were made/grown – the crime isn’t “carrying illegal drugs that originated in your country of origin”.

    Why do you think there are warnings in most international airports to not carry someone else’s bag through customs or leave your bag unattended? Its because you are responsible for the contents of any bags in your possession that you are attempting to bring into a country. Ms Corby stated the bag was hers, making her responsible for its contents.

    @Tel – you mean like this? http://i60.tinypic.com/2coln4m.jpg

    Attached to the first random bag I picked up, I’d have more but I’m not in the habit of keeping such things. The airlines calculate and record weight for every single piece of luggage not only for fuel purposes but also because if the bag is lost the airline has to pay out compensation which is based on a rate per kilo.

  130. Bruce

    Yep “tinkers cuss” is a tad passe,maybe try “rats arse”,it’s probably a better fit.

  131. cynical1

    “Lizzie, your Nanny lectures about marijuana messing your mind are pretty ignorant. You are wrong”.

    I don’t know your medical qualifications, but they had better be good to make such a blanket statement.

    There is overwhelming medical evidence (and more coming all the time), that dope can cause mental
    problems and increase such in people predisposed to such illnesses as depression, anxiety,schizophrenia.

    These problems are made worse with a younger start age, and amount of consumption.

    They don’t call them stoners for nothing…

  132. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From cynical1 at 12:30 pm:

    “There is overwhelming medical evidence (and more coming all the time), that dope can cause mental problems and increase such in people predisposed to such illnesses as depression, anxiety, schizophrenia.

    These problems are made worse with a younger start age, and amount of consumption.”

    My eyes and decades of observing the deterioration in several mates and colleagues who thought it was sexy in the early ’70s, and fell in love for life, tell me you are quite correct.

  133. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Lizzie, your Nanny lectures about marijuana messing your mind are pretty ignorant. You are wrong, but even if you were right, you still don’t have the right to tell me or other people what we may or not consume. If your kids turn out to be junkies you have nobody to blame but yourself, and the other Nannies maybe.

    Anyone’s kid can turn out to be a junkie in this culture, smartie pants.

    I’ve had heaps of experience with marihuana and its effects on peoples’ minds (which doesn’t involve messing with it myself; I’ve used it but found it pretty disgusting and uninteresting. Acid btw is more testing, and amphetamines are a wildly fascinating buzz to be avoided, while don’t ever put me near opioids for fun, as I’ve greatly enjoyed my hospital experiences with medical morphine, and would be a ready-made junkie toot sweet). I’ve read quite widely into the growing body of literature about ‘weed’s’ real effects, especially when other drugs are used in combo with it, and am totally unimpressed with the justificatory nonsense put out by people with a hippie barrow to push about this stuff. Use it yourself, you’ll get by, just be a little more stupid. Your choice; I don’t want to nanny you if you are personally getting by OK. Knock yourself out; your privilege, and be my guest. But to deny its deleterious effects is wishful thinking; especially on genetically-vulnerable people or those with addictive natures whom life has landed already at the bottom of the heap. It’s not the only stupid drug, but when people are stupefied they lose perspective, believe nonsense and are open to influence to live as drug-addled in whatever drug way then comes into their ambit. Two words for you: drug culture.

    And here’s another effin’ Wally, with ‘trash breeds trash’. No it doesn’t. Druggie parents breed trash. Psychiatric parents breed vulnerable kids. When the two meet, that’s when you get ‘trash’. Wash your mouth out, Wally, and give some vulnerable kids a chance by looking at ways to hit the drug culture on the head, destroy welfare dependence and break the cycle for vulnerable kids. This is what Noel Pearson wants to do for aboriginal kids. The kids in Bidwell are no different. Same culture, same influences, same druggie parents.

    Piss off, you superannuated hippies.

    I could have been ‘trash’, but I am not.

  134. stackja

    Schapelle Corby is another ALP distraction.

  135. Leo G

    Why do you think there are warnings in most international airports to not carry someone else’s bag through customs or leave your bag unattended? Its because you are responsible for the contents of any bags in your possession that you are attempting to bring into a country. Ms Corby stated the bag was hers, making her responsible for its contents.

    Possession of a prohibited drug is an offence under most jurisdictions, but your argument involves a fallacy. Take for instance the NSW Drug Misuse and Trafficking Act. A prosecutor attempting to prove possession must show beyond reasonable doubt that:
    -an illegal drug was in the person’s ‘custody’ or ‘control’; and
    -the person knew they had custody or control of that drug.

  136. Helen

    Thanks Lizzie. Spot on.

    What I want to know, and perhaps someone can help me, is what happened to the weight records of the luggage loaded compared to the weight records of the luggage un-loaded. As I see it, all A/C needs weight records for something called weight and balance, the pilot needs to know how much he is carrying in order to fly.

    Is this record electronically tagged to the ticket? And if so, was the weight there when Schapelle put the bag on the scales at checkin?

  137. Helen

    I see you have already been talking about weights upstairs. What happened to the record?

  138. Leo G

    What I want to know, and perhaps someone can help me, is what happened to the weight records of the luggage loaded compared to the weight records of the luggage un-loaded. As I see it, all A/C needs weight records for something called weight and balance, the pilot needs to know how much he is carrying in order to fly.

    The weight records of individual passengers luggage are managed by the Airline and Airports Baggage Distribution Service. But for flight management, the weight of baggage is managed at the Unit Load Device level, ie the pallet load or container load. Each loaded ULD is normally weighed before transport to the aircraft.

  139. Helen

    Thanks Leo, so what happened to the ” Airline and Airports Baggage Distribution Service.” records?

  140. johanna

    Judith asks – who cares?

    Clearly a lot of Cats do. This “beauty student” has her hooks into lots of you.

    I’m with Judith.

  141. stackja

    johanna
    #1182070, posted on February 8, 2014 at 1:33 pm
    Judith asks – who cares?
    Clearly a lot of Cats do. This “beauty student” has her hooks into lots of you.
    I’m with Judith.

    Again I repeat another ALP distraction. Meanwhile TA is stopping the boats. And Bill is worried about Paul.

  142. Leo G

    Thanks Leo, so what happened to the ” Airline and Airports Baggage Distribution Service.” records?

    Corby’s defence team officially asked that question too late. The airline response was that the records are kept only for a limited time. You can bet though, that the Indonesian customs service and the AFP knew about the importance of the question at the appropriate time.

  143. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Leo G at 1:38 pm:

    ” Thanks Leo, so what happened to the ” Airline and Airports Baggage Distribution Service.” records?

    Corby’s defence team officially asked that question too late.”

    So it was those off white Indonesians in collusion with the Storeman and Aeroplane Packers Union after all, with their hand over the solicitor’s mouth – the team of solicitors’ mouths – as he / they struggled to speak. Aha!

  144. ugh

    “your argument involves a fallacy. Take for instance the NSW Drug Misuse and Trafficking Act. A prosecutor attempting to prove possession must show beyond reasonable doubt that:
    -an illegal drug was in the person’s ‘custody’ or ‘control’; and
    -the person knew they had custody or control of that drug.”

    That might be relevant if Ms Corby was convicted under NSW state possession laws @Leo G but she was arrested and convicted in Indonesia under Indonesian customs laws remember?

    Whose argument involves a fallacy again?

  145. Leo G

    That might be relevant if Ms Corby was convicted under NSW state possession laws @Leo G but she was arrested and convicted in Indonesia under Indonesian customs laws remember?

    So, are you suggesting that because NSW Law on drug possession is in accord with the UN Convention that Indonesia, which long ago ratified the same convention, is not in accord?
    The UN Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs specifies evidence of “knowledge, intent or purpose required as an element of an offence” of possession for trafficking.
    If you believe that Indonesia is not complying with the UN Convention, then the onus should be yours to find the evidence.

  146. C.L.

    I actually don’t get the Corby haters – especially if they’re libertarians.

    She was only locked up because her family couldn’t finesse a bribe.

    And I don’t want to hear any bullshit about Indonesia’s rule of law.

    They don’t have one.

    I always felt sorry for her and I’m glad she’s being sprung.

  147. stackja

    C.L.
    #1182176, posted on February 8, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    Why the fuss? Not as if Australia does not have other issues to discuss. But of course the ALP does not want the discussion.

  148. ugh

    “the onus should be yours to find the evidence.”

    The onus isn’t on me to prove the Indonesian laws are different to NSW ones @Leo G, Indonesian courts have already proven they don’t need a test to discover the origin of drugs to convict a person, they just need to prove they are illegal drugs and that they were in the possession of the offender. Verdict confirmed on appeal.

  149. Leo G

    The onus isn’t on me to prove the Indonesian laws are different to NSW ones @Leo G, Indonesian courts have already proven they don’t need a test to discover the origin of drugs to convict a person, they just need to prove they are illegal drugs and that they were in the possession of the offender. Verdict confirmed on appeal.

    At least you know how to string non sequiturs.

  150. .

    What have you got against Pymble and Whale Beach? Reverse snobbery there. Personally, I prefer the Eastern Suburbs, but that’s just me.

    Um…I like them, actually.

  151. jupes

    You can bet though, that the Indonesian customs service and the AFP knew about the importance of the question at the appropriate time.

    Oh right, it’s a conspiracy. Qantas baggage handlers planted the dope and used her to carry it through Indon customs.

    Let’s just ignore the question of how they intended to recover the dope in this ingenious plan. We’ll also ignore a few inconvenient facts like her dad’s besty was busted selling dope in vacuum sealed bags - coincidentally exactly like the bag Shappelle was busted with. Oh wait there’s more, let’s also ignore that Mercedes owns surf shops in Bali and yet here’s Shappelle bringing a boogie board to Bali.

    No, that all gets trumped by supposedly lost luggage weight records. Which also somehow must mean that the AFP and Indon customs were in on this conspiracy (along with Qantas baggage handlers). Obviously only an idiot could think otherwise.

  152. Leo G

    Oh right, it’s a conspiracy. Qantas baggage handlers planted the dope and used her to carry it through Indon customs.

    What’s the relevance of the Qantas baggage handlers, jupes?
    The total weight of The Corby’s luggage was recorded at Brisbane check-in. The weight reading is known and there is a record of the weight, but the database record (Baggage Services Message) was not retained. The Corby’s asked the Indonesian Customs to reweigh their luggage for comparison and to inform the family of the result. The Indonesians refused. It’s not known whether they did weigh the baggage. But if they did weigh it, that evidence was not presented at the first hearing or subsequent trial.
    Your reference to Malcolm McCauley is interesting. It was he to whom I referred in my first post on this thread. He visited Schapelle Corby in Kerobokan jail in 2005 after his conviction, but before he was sentenced. How do you think he acquired the visa?
    There was definitely a conspiracy on the day Corby was arrested in Bali- an AFP and NSW Crime Commission conspiracy. The chief conspirator, former Assistant director of the NSW Crime Commission Mark Standen, was subsequently arrested for conspiracy to import $160 million of drugs into Australia.
    Operation Mocha was intended to intercept a cocaine shipment that landed at Sydney airport at exactly the same time as Schapelle Corby landed in Bali. Standen was managing the operation, knowing that it was to fail. Corby’s arrest provided a very convenient distraction. Couldn’t have worked out better for Standen if he had planned it himself.

  153. jupes

    What’s the relevance of the Qantas baggage handlers, jupes?

    Oh I see, you have a selective memory. They were supposed to have planted the dope in poor innocent Shappelle’s – from the family who never ever had anything to do with dope – boogie board bag.

    Your reference to Malcolm McCauley is interesting.

    Yes but not for your stupid reasons. It’s interesting because he was the bloke who admitted selling the dope to Shappelle’s dad. You know, the actual dope she got busted with.

    As for your Mark Standen conspiracy theory please note the following:

    Corby was arrested on 08 October 2004.

    Standen’s first payments from drugs occurred between Dec 2005 and Feb 2006.

    There is no evidence Standen imported drugs into Australia on 08 Oct 2004.

    10 kg of cocaine was smuggled through Sydney airport on 08 Oct 2004. While 13 men were charged with that crime, none were serving members of the AFP or NSWCC.

    All the above notwithstanding Leo, what I would really like to know is how Corby’s arrest in Bali provided a ‘convenient distraction’ to the import of coke into Sydney Airport. Surely her arrest would provide an extra level of scutiny on the airport because gullible idiots started blaming baggage handlers at Sydney Airport.

  154. Tel

    Ugh, your original comment was this:

    The weight of the bag is recorded on the baggage tag, the baggage tag was still attached to the bag in Indonesia and was used to establish the bag was Schapelle’s – ergo the weight record was in Indonesia attached to her bag and wasn’t at all lost.

    I think we have established this is bullshit. The weight may be on a database somewhere and can be referenced from the tag, but that’s not what you were trying to pull over us. Once the database is deleted the evidence is gone forever. As Leo G pointed out, the defense were slow to ask the right questions, and the Indonesian police were reluctant to cooperate, which says they were more interested in clocking up convictions than getting to the truth. It also demonstrates that Ugh is willing to make stuff up retrospectively to fit the outcome.

  155. kae

    Alfonso (I’m late to catch up with this).

    Hardly anyone does 4kgs in a zippered pocket without securing the zip….it was open and exposing the placky bag at inbound Customs.

    The dope had been vacuum sealed and shaped to resemble a boogie board and placed in the boogie board cover. Whether the bag was zipped, locked or not makes no difference to whether it may or may not have been discovered. If there was a search it would have been found.

    She’s been used by the family, and allowed herself to be used. Although if she had said X did it, without X in Indonesia to go to court she would never have avoided the conviction and the consequences.

  156. kae

    Leo G

    Consider that Corby was effectively denied a fair trial.

    Corby, under the same circumstances in Australia, would have been tried and convicted. She just would have got a couple of years.

  157. steve of glasshouse

    According to a fb caption doing the rounds, the pressing question is; Will she get her boogy board back?

  158. Leo G

    Oh I see, you have a selective memory. They were supposed to have planted the dope in poor innocent Shappelle’s – from the family who never ever had anything to do with dope – boogie board bag.

    Nowhere did I suggest that I accept the corrupt Qld baggage handler theory.

    Standen’s first payments from drugs occurred between Dec 2005 and Feb 2006

    Standen was involved in an international cocaine trafficking syndicate prior to his arrest and conviction for separate offences.
    The Mocha operation on 8 October 2004 was unsuccessful- the target was alerted to police surveillance. The Mocha arrests were in relation to operations between December 2004 and May 2005. Associated with those operations was a quantity of cocaine in the custody of Standen, 6kg of which was lost without satisfactory explanation.

  159. jupes

    Standen was involved in an international cocaine trafficking syndicate prior to his arrest and conviction for separate offences.

    So you say. Funnily enough, you supply no evidence. If this was true you would expect him to gain financially, yet as I’ve shown above his bank details show he received no payment until Dec 2005.

    The Mocha operation on 8 October 2004 was unsuccessful- the target was alerted to police surveillance. The Mocha arrests were in relation to operations between December 2004 and May 2005. Associated with those operations was a quantity of cocaine in the custody of Standen, 6kg of which was lost without satisfactory explanation.

    Again, you supply no evidence for any of this gibberish. You come across as a gullible fool.

    You still haven’t answered the question: How did Corby’s arrest in Bali provided a ‘convenient distraction’ to the import of coke into Sydney Airport?

  160. Leo G

    Calling me names does little to improve your argument jupes.
    You implied that I was a “dupe” for peddling an argument about Qld baggage handlers, when I made no such argument.
    Then you fallaciously argue that my statements are gibberish because I didn’t provide you with a link as “evidence”. If you need background, you must have been in another country (or planet) in 2008 when this was all over the Australian media. Examples are the ABC Four Corners broadcast “Stretching the Law” and an exclusive story by the Daily Telegraphs’ Lisa Davies “PIC told: investigate officer“. Try Google before you start calling people names.
    You also wrongly assert that I claimed “Corby’s arrest in Bali provided a ‘convenient distraction’ to the import of coke into Sydney Airport”, when in fact I was referring to probable official embarrassment to the failure of the Mocha operation on that day.

  161. Hellsie

    I can’t believe how a convicted drug courier from a family of drug addicts two of whom have been jailed is turned into a national hero set to make millions. We have already been subjected to ,her story, and just saw due to huge interest it will be repeated. How about all the people who do good things for the community and the fantastic fire fighters. No stories and huge amounts for them. Makes me sick.

  162. jupes

    Your links do not support your claim that Standen set up Corby.

    You now claim that Standen set up Corby to distract from the failure of Operation Mocha. Of course you supply no evidence for this ridiculous assertion.

    We now know what the G stands for in your name: Gullible.

  163. Leo G

    “Your links do not support your claim that Standen set up Corby.”

    Your fallacious arguments follow a pattern of misrepresentation jupes- I did not imply that Standen “set up Corby”, but that the publicity of her arrest worked to his advantage.
    I have repeatedly told you that I do not accept that baggage handlers ‘planted’ the drug in Corby’s baggage. By what other means do you think Standen could have arranged for the drugs to be improperly placed in her luggage? It is not a realistic scenario. But you appear obsessed with the idea that I hold that view.

    “You now claim that Standen set up Corby to distract from the failure of Operation Mocha.”

    Remove the notion that “Standen set up Corby” and you might be closer to understanding my view about the most likely scenario. Think about the sense of a converse of that proposition.
    Has the penny dropped yet jupes?

  164. jupes

    OK I remove ‘remove the notion that Standen set up Corby’ and I am left scratching my head. So now you don’t believe Corby was set up.

    If that’s the case what the fuck have you been going on about for the last few days?

  165. wreckage

    You don’t take a drug once and then lose all volition and free will. Addiction doesn’t work that way.

  166. Leo G

    If that’s the case what the fuck have you been going on about for the last few days?

    That Standen may have been aware of the attempt by someone in the Corby family to traffic the marijuana from Brisbane to Ngurah Rai Airport in Denpasar and took advantage of that knowledge to arrange, through his contact in the cocaine syndicate, a coincidental timing for the Mocha operation.
    Consider the claims by the fellow who later appears to have been an AFP informant, that he was the source of the marijuana supplied to Corby Snr that was discovered by Indonesian customs. The same fellow reappears, after his own conviction for interstate traffic of marijuana in 4 kg double vacuum sealed packages, to visit the jailed Schapelle Corby and thereby sabotage one of her appeals.
    Consider that the AFP publicly and unnecessarily claimed that it had no evidence of corrupt baggage handlers at Sydney Airport to stymie Corby’s defence when AFP Operation Mocha was predicated on that corruption.
    Consider how so much evidence in Australia and Indonesia that was requested by Corby’s defence was mysteriously or accidentally destroyed.
    Of course, I don’t insist that the scenario is fact, only that I believe it is consistent with Standen’s conduct and those of the facts with which I am acquainted, and provides the least complicated plausible explanation.

  167. Trevor Grant

    The question in my mind is how could any person be stupid enough to think they could pass through Bali customs with a bag full of marijuana thinking the bag would not be searched. I know she comes from a disfunctional family but that’s just another reason to think she’s totally stupid, guilty or both.
    If I were planning to Bali I would never under and circumstances stuff a bag with 4 kilos of marijuana and expect to just sail through customs. Now don’t you think anyone who did something like that would have to be the most naive person in the world if not the entire universe?

  168. Leo G

    I know she comes from a disfunctional family but that’s just another reason to think she’s totally stupid, guilty or both.

    Having a dysfunctional family hardly implies stupidity. Isaac Newton had a dysfunctional family- he admitted to threatening to kill his mother and stepfather and burn down their home (with them inside).
    The early account of the incident by Fairfax journalist Philip Cornford does not portray Corby as stupid or guilty- it does however portray the Indonesian customs official and the chief prosecutor as dishonest.

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