Boral speaks out

Here’s the extremely well-written (and brave) piece written by the CEO of Boral.  It is carried in the Fin, but also The Age.

Well done, I say.  And it just shows you how piss-weak the police and the ACCC are dealing with this appalling situation.

 We are lucky to live in a society where the vast majority of our citizens obey the laws of the land, and those few who don’t are judged in a fair and transparent manner by their peers – and penalised accordingly.

Exceed the speed limit on our roads and chances are you will pay a hefty fine. Punch someone outside the pub while intoxicated and you are likely to face a minimum period in prison, at least in NSW. Companies and their directors who dump toxic sludge into a waterway can face both civil and criminal penalties.

It’s what makes us a civilised society. It’s one of the (many) things I like about my adopted home.

But it seems that there is one area where individuals and the organisations they represent can break the law with impunity. And even when they are caught, found guilty and penalised, they simply ignore the penalties and carry on regardless.

I know because my staff and I have been caught in the middle of just such a situation – a situation where one rogue trade union, the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union, has intimidated our people, harassed our clients and damaged our business, yet operates and behaves as if nothing happened.

The recent revelations by Fairfax Media about the links between some CFMEU officials and organised crime is but another chapter in what we at Boral have experienced over the past 12 months: an inexcusable, unfair and unlawful campaign against our company, and our staff, even though we are not in dispute with the union. This campaign impacts the livelihood of our customers, employees, our suppliers, and ultimately impacts our shareholders.

Since the middle of 2012, the CFMEU has run an orchestrated and very costly campaign against Boral for one simple reason: we have refused to give in to demands by the union that we stop doing business with one of our long-standing clients, the Grocon group, in Melbourne.

The long-running dispute is between Grocon and the CFMEU, and we have been caught in the middle, as part of an unlawful secondary boycott.

Over that time, our trucks have been stopped, our workers have been intimidated, some of our drivers harassed and threatened, and many of our clients in Victoria have had a “friendly visit” from union officials essentially warning them not to do business with us. Many of our clients have refused to toe the union’s line, for which we are eternally grateful, but it’s a tough call for many small operators.

The result is that on many occasions, our trucks have turned up at sites and have been barred from carrying on their lawful business by union heavies at the gates, supposedly on health and safety grounds. It also means there are many other occasions where we have simply missed out on work because our traditional customers don’t want to take on the union.

So far, this unlawful campaign has cost us over $10 million in lost sales and legal fees; money that is being taken out of the pockets of our shareholders, many of whom are Mum and Dad retail investors, or the superannuation funds that manage their retirement money.

Not surprisingly, we have spent a lot of time and effort trying to use all available legal means to get the matter sorted out and stop the boycott. Boral has been actively pursuing its rights through the appropriate legal channels, including taking the CFMEU to court on multiple occasions, as well as talking directly with the federal regulator, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, and the Victorian branch of Fair Work Building and Construction.

When we have taken the CFMEU to court in relation to their boycott campaign, the courts have ruled in our favour. We had injunctions granted 12 months ago by the Supreme Court in Victoria, but these were simply ignored by the CFMEU – further proof that some in that union believe they are above the law.

We are now back in court but the process is likely to take another 12 months and more shareholders’ money.

We are a large and well-known Australian listed company and have the resources to stand up to the CFMEU in Victoria, but imagine just how difficult it must be for smaller companies or sole traders who are victimised by the union and its actions.

The fact is that the speed of the union’s actions and the time it takes to get legal remedies is out of kilter, which is why we strongly support moves by the federal government to establish a revamped industry taskforce; one that has real teeth and that can act quickly and firmly to enforce the rule of law on our building sites. While the reintroduction of the Australian Building and Construction Commission is an important step, unless it and the ACCC are properly resourced, it will be difficult for them to perform the role that the public rightly expect them to fulfil.

There is a grimy underside to this business, where physical and financial threats are part of this union’s game plan. Unfortunately, this underside is rarely seen by the public, especially while other union leaders protect or ignore the relatively small number of individuals whose behaviour tarnishes the reputation of a movement originally designed to protect its members.

Now, I am not anti-union. We work closely with our employees and the various unions that represent them. However, surely the time has come for governments at national and state levels to ensure the law of the land is enforced.

It is time for the federal parliament to bite the bullet and tell the CFMEU that like everyone else in Australia, the union will simply have to obey the law.

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58 Responses to Boral speaks out

  1. Alfonso

    Business has form…..who can forget comrade Ridout.

  2. Badjack

    brave my arse, but brave among a mob of lilly livered senior managers in Australia. He is doing what he is paid to do.I bet there is nothing in his job description that says ‘you must cave into union demands’.
    I hope he was as outspoken when Labor and the unions were using false and misleading advertising on Work Choices in the lead up to the 07 election. Remember when Ridout and her organisation were ’mum’, when you could not find a CEO with a pea big enough to support the Coalition.

  3. Dan

    That’s just the CFMEU, I would like to see the stories about the BLF that float around to be published. They are the dregs of the union movement, even the other union bodies think they are the dodgiest bunch of corkages.

  4. Robbo

    What is so depressing about all of this is that it has been going on for years in the construction industry and precious little, if anything, has been done to apply a permanent fix. We have seen enquiries, investigations and Royal Commissions with countless recommendations flowing from them but here we are still mired in the mess. When the BLF was outlawed the thugs and stand over merchants in that union simply moved over into the CFMEU and continued on as if nothing had happened. The really sad thing is that nothing had happened to finish them off, they actually got stronger and even more lawless. The community relies on strong and fearless governments to bring in laws and then fearlessly police those laws to address the kind of disgraceful thuggery that the CFMEU practices, and to deal with those on the other side of the fence who feed that thuggery by paying out bribes and inducements to gain industrial peace. It doesn’t matter a bit to me whether the crook is dressed in overalls or a suit, they are both crooks and should be contemplating their future from a jail cell. The Abbott Government is to be commended for initiating this latest Royal Commission but they need to understand quite clearly that this is just a first step. What will be needed will be a tough long campaign to destroy this criminal activity which is costing the community mega bucks. I have no trust that what has now commenced will succeed, not because I doubt the sincerity of the Abbott Government, but because in time we will see a Labor Government elected and they will quickly water down, and close down, any meaningful actions that have been put in place. After all the Labor Party is a creature of the trade union movement and is particularly obliging to the CFMEU because of the huge financial contributions it makes to their campaigns. If anyone doubts that then they should have a read of Shorten’s piss weak statements about the CFMEU and this Royal Commission. We all know where his loyalties lie.

  5. Token

    Business has form…..who can forget comrade Ridout.

    AI Group is at it again, lobbying for crony capitalists in a way which will damage the majority of the people who subscribe to the organisation.

    In a pre-budget submission to be released today, the Australian Industry Group warns that now is not the time for spending cuts.

    “While the substantial fiscal policy challenge over the rest of this decade is to move federal, state and territory budgets out of structural deficit positions, the reality is the economy at present is very unlikely to withstand big aggregate spending cuts or tax increases in 2014-15 without provoking slower growth and lower revenue collections,” Ai Group chief executive Innes Willox said.

    Yes, Willox has seen how Sell-out got on the reserve bank a myriad of other crony jobs by pushing the line of the hard left so is following that same path.

  6. Ant

    Many Australian unions are basically criminal enterprises with a political arm, being the Australian Labor Party.

    In Italy, they’re referred to as the Mafia, Cosa Nostra, ‘Ndrangheta, and so on.

    I love seeing their propaganda up on the walls of the building projects they infest that read “We built this bloody city”.

    I think I’ll bring a texta next time and add “Pity it took so bloody long and cost so bloody much, you bludgers.”

  7. tomix

    I think the BLF and CFMEU are hand in glove in Qld. BWIU are banned in Qld, but legal in Vic., where they represent Crane operators, riggers, scaffolders, hoist operators, steel fixers, concreters, dogmen, site labourers and possibly traffic controllers in the absence of the BLF in that state.

    In the late 80s, the BWIU classed all work in Vic. valued at less than $500k as “cottage work” and left the job alone. Above that, and they would be out to the site to sign up everyone bar apprentices.
    Non cooperation meant no brick or block deliveries- guaranteed.

    The big companies are up to their ears in it and always have been.

    Looks like Abbott has caused some of them to suddenly “find religion”

    It is interesting that the BLF & BWIU are flying under the radar when they have the biggest presence on site.

  8. Token

    Grace Collier has the framework of a plan to fix all this

    The woman does not stop, she is a force of nature.

    Fact is though she is saying what so many in the business community has been expressing for more than 10 years that I know about how the unions break the TPA:

    So what should happen to employers who have allowed themselves to be organised? What do we do with the compliant corporate union colluders? The Competition & Consumer Act, enforced via the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission, is designed to safeguard true competition in our economy. Stamping out behaviour or agreements that lessen competition is meant to be an enduring priority of the ACCC.

    Competition law is vital so consumers don’t get ripped off by businesses that might collude and fix prices. Businesses that collude and price fix are investigated and prosecuted through the Federal Court.

  9. braddles

    Some people have difficulty spelling the name of the main opposition party. Some mistakenly call it ‘Labour’, but in Victoria the correct spelling is C-F-M-E-U.

    I have heard a figure of 42% for the excess costs for major building projects in Melbourne, compared to Sydney. All due to union bastardry. It would be worth some effort from investigative journalists, if there are any left in Victoria.

  10. Steve of Glasshouse

    Any idea what all of the alleged scams add to the price of taxpayer funded infrastructure projects?

  11. hzhousewife

    Why don’t the police get involved – they don’t want to get thumped either.

    Why don’t the courts fix it – the lawyers are all left-wingers.

  12. Token

    Why do people on highlight the connections of the ALP to the CFMEU? Who can forget the Greens who took advantage of Dean Mighell’s expulsion from the ALP by Rudd to cash in?

    The Victorian branch of the Electrical Trades Union (ETU) has donated $325,000 to the Greens to support two of their candidates for the federal election on Saturday because they have ‘better industrial relations policies’.

    The ETU branch has given $125,000 to Adam Brandt, the Greens candidate for the vulnerable Labor-held seat of Melbourne.

    It has also given $200,000 towards the campaign of Richard Di Natale, who heads the Greens Senate ticket in Victoria.

    Expelled from ALP

    The donations were made by the ETU branch secretary Dean Mighell, who was expelled from the ALP in May 2007 for making abusive remarks about employers.

    Last month, the Victorian branch held a ballot of members who overwhelmingly voted to disaffiliate from the ALP.

    Media reports say the Greens have also received $50,000 from the Victorian branch of the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU). The ETU donation is the biggest ever received by the Greens.

    Abolish ABCC

    Mighell said his union was supporting the Greens because of their better industrial relations policies and their strong support for abolishing the Australian Building and Construction Commission.

    ‘The only party that is on the side of our members is the Greens,’ he said.

    ‘They have an absolute commitment to abolish the ABCC and restore workers’ rights.’

    In the Senate the Greens are as strident at preventing the ABCC coming back as is the Liars Party.

  13. Token

    Why don’t the police get involved – they don’t want to get thumped either.

    Many want the refusal of the police to enforce the law to be part of the royal commissions terms of reference. Until they do the criminal elements in the unions know they can act as thugs with impunity.

    Pity too many offices stay silent on this stain on the profession.

  14. amortiser

    The corruption and intimidation has been allowed to proliferate because of successive weak or complicit governments. Threats and intimidation are criminal activities no matter what organisation the perpetrator is a member of. But we see police stand idly by while union heavies enforce picket lines to bring non compliant businesses to heel.

    In the face of such inaction, businesses have caved into the ongoing threats and have paid bribes and protection money to union officials. This has been happening for decades and the AWU scandal is a good example. In the face of such lawlessness businesses have resorted to the ” if you can’t beat them, join them” mode of operation. In the AWU scandal, Thiess paid its protection money from taxpayer provided funds from the Building and Construction Industry Training Fund (BCITF).

    As a result of lawlessness being condoned, corruption infects all levels of government and commerce. This RC will open a can of worms that will be very uncomfortable for not only union officials but also business leaders who have crossed a line.

  15. Pity too many offices stay silent on this stain on the profession.

    What are they gunna say, when every charge gets routinely chucked out of court? I wondered as a child why my dad hated unions so much. It became clear when I realized that it was simply, as a policeman, he despised their utter criminality. What sort of person turns a blind eye to criminals on ideological grounds? Any apologist of the unions’ criminality is a rabid, mouth-frothing ideological lefty. “Well-meaning” doesn’t wash.

  16. Token

    Beer Whisperer, I have talked with many cops off line about this and heard how much they hate it. This includes ex-cops who no longer get their income from the taxpayer and no longer are muzzled by the brass.

    Why don’t some of those follow the example of the brave women like Grace Collier & Kathy Jackson?

    Why isn’t anything said off camera or via pixelated image?

  17. hzhousewife

    What are they gunna say, when every charge gets routinely chucked out of court?

    EXACTLY !!

  18. Botswana O'Hooligan

    One wonders why the union in question isn’t deregistered and the main proponents slung into goal and all the assets, union and personal, confiscated . There is a sort of precedence for that because Hawke got stuck into we airline pilots when we wouldn’t toe the “accord” line in 1989 so that we could be directed to go on strike whenever it suited the unions. Hawke took away our right of freedom of association tho believe it or not, the only real “freedom” under the constitution is the freedom of religion, set en train a process whereby he (the govt) could confiscate all our assets including our homes, and imposed a crippling clause of a twenty million dollar penalty on the AFAP (just recently lifted after twenty odd years) if they looked sideways. None of us except a token two or three blokes ever worked for the three airlines again and we were labelled “political dissidents” by Hawke although unproven, so we couldn’t get residency of European countries either. If Hawke (Labor and unions) could get away with that then against a bunch of babes in the wood as it were, just think of what an Abbott government could do right now against this merry bunch.

  19. pseudonym

    That article is interesting, but it’s not well-written. It looks like it has been rewritten by lawyers.

    At this moment, there are probably 20 ‘labour lawyers’ around the country dissecting the article line-by-line to try to find something that might support a defamation claim, in the hope of winning a lucrative brief from the union in question.

    Because of that, the author (whoever it was) would have pulled quite a few punches in what she/he wrote.

    Probably, we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

  20. Fibro

    Careful where you throw mud Mr Boral. Has your company ever sweetened a deal with the CFMEU to get some work?

    The union has the power because a corporation somewhere in the food chain pays them.

  21. stackja

    Various past ALP federal and state attorney generals and police ministers protected unions.

  22. Wayneof perth

    Unions ignoring Industrial Courts is one thing but ignoring Supreme Court injunctions is an entirely different matter.

    I am surprised that the Court apparently allows itself to be reduced to a toothless tiger.

    What hope for the rule of law if one of the highest Courts in the land can be ignored with impunity.

  23. The union has the power because a corporation somewhere in the food chain pays them.

    You’re absolutely right. Let’s weed out all the nerds who have handed over their lunches to school bullies over the years and put ’em in stocks so poor disadvantaged victimized bullies can throw rotten eggs at them to assuage their pain.

  24. Squirrel

    This sounds to me like a great opportunity for Nine to keep the Underbelly franchise alive for yet another season, or two.

  25. Alan Grey

    The Boral CEO is incorrect. There is another group that happily breaks the law, is barely slapped on the wrist, and then continues to break the law as if nothing has ever happened.

    The anti-capitalist protestors of the occupy movement et al….

    Other than that, he is spot on.

    Unions are simply a form of price fixing that is illegal everywhere else

  26. ..we were labelled “political dissidents” by Hawke … so we couldn’t get residency of European countries…

    I recall this very well. Oft times in the intervening years I have recounted the full anecdote to anyone who starts on about how Hawke was a good bloke.

  27. Alfonso

    The full story of the Dispute and the Abeles connection awaits Hawke’s departure for that great corporate state in the sky.
    His personal hatred of airline pilots had an hilarious genesis.

  28. Robbo

    Bill Shorten on the ABC.

    Labor is opposing the royal commission, which it says is politically motivated, and favours a police taskforce instead.

    Opposition Leader Bill Shorten says no-one is above the law and that criminal issues are a matter for the police.

    He has also attacked the cost of the mooted royal commission.

    “The idea that we need to have an expensive multi-million-dollar political royal commission, rather than give those scarce resources to our hardworking police, means the wrong priorities,” Mr Shorten told the ABC.

    Weasel words from the chief weasel. What a slimy little creep.

  29. hzhousewife

    but but but …..

    doesn’t he realise this is a golden opportunity for lots of
    up and coming legal professionals to get prolific in depth experience
    oand undersatnding of union behaviour, prior to being employed by the plethora of said
    cleaned up unions, before sliding comfortably into a safe laybore seat?

  30. Empire Strikes Back

    The CMFEU has a fiduciary duty to its members. So does CBUS, the construction sector industry super fund. Former ALP Vic Premier Bracks, ACTU President Kearney and CFMEU (NSW) President Mallia are CBUS directors.

    My back of an envelope calc tells me that at 30 June 2013, each CBUS member, on average, indirectly held 20 odd Boral securities.*

    So on one hand we have the likes of Kearney saying “nothing to see here, move along”, but the behaviour she excuses is clearly harming the retirement funds of the super members she represents.

    Organised labour is hopelessly conflicted. Yet the regulators, investigators and enforcers that we generously fund to prevent, expose and prosecute such behaviour are nowhere to seen.

    How deep does the collusion run?

    * source data: CBUS AR, Boral AR and ASX price history.

  31. The Boral CEO is incorrect. There is another group that happily breaks the law, is barely slapped on the wrist, and then continues to break the law as if nothing has ever happened.

    The anti-capitalist protestors of the occupy movement et al….

    Two other groups that I can think of, both of the non-Anglo Saxon ethnic persuasion, who commit crimes on a regular basis, starting in their early teens, and yet somehow get away with an awful lot before anyone thinks to put them behind bars.

  32. “The idea that we need to have an expensive multi-million-dollar political royal commission, rather than give those scarce resources to our hardworking police, means the wrong priorities,” Mr Shorten told the ABC.

    And there, ladies and gents, are the only words you really need to remember.

  33. Pete of Perth

    Michael Smith’s blog is down. Probably a DOS attack.

  34. Pete of Perth

    Michael Smith News

  35. No, Michael Smith News is still fine. Access is trouble-free on Safari and Firefox though Google gives a (false) malware warning.

  36. Pete of Perth

    Thanks Deadman, damn chrome.

  37. Token

    Access is trouble-free on Safari and Firefox though Google gives a (false) malware warning.

    Time to send an email / call your provider to put a rocket up them their staff are trying to limit free speech again. Trend Micro has had quite a few from me and strangely the warnings disapper quickly.

  38. Large Brass Ears

    Steve of Glasshouse, here’s just one little anecdote: A reputable carpenter of my acquaintance who lives near Bendigo went along to the new hospital building site to enquire about work on the upcoming hospital project.

    He was escorted from the site by an “OH&S” person from one of the head contractors, who says he must go to Melbourne, fill in a form 700 ( I think) and apply for work.

    He gets to Melbourne, only to be told that the head contractors’ EBA makes it too difficult to hire locals.

    All the Melbourne based workers get about $700/week living away.

    Same deal as the desal.

  39. gabrianga

    Sure some companies have given into demands from Unions in order to bring projects on-line and in time.

    If a company has contracts to supply by a certain date which are signed prior to commencement of project what are they to do if Union demands a “few extras” once the project has commenced?

    Unions don’t get prosecuted as a rule in Australia and complaints registered with a police force are often met with a wry smile.

    Perhaps the members of these unions could start the ball rolling by asking their Executives just where these “backhanders” end up as I am sure the dispersal of ” funds” is very limited.

  40. Barry

    Shorten only wants a police investigation so he can spend the next five years saying “I can’t comment on a matter under police investigation”.

  41. thefrollickingmole

    Far from it to be suggested by me that some of the share prices of these large construction companies could be manipulated by strategic strike action…
    Or that a person with inside knowledge of said strategic strikes could make a killing shorting the stock before the strike, and another killing buying up before the strike ends…

    Just throwing that out there…no reason…

  42. feelthebern

    Far from it to be suggested by me that some of the share prices of these large construction companies could be manipulated by strategic strike action…

    & imagine if those who were going to cause that strike action had links to a pot of money that could benefit from hypothetical strike action.
    oh my stars…the havoc one could wreak.

  43. Tintarella Di Luna

    Gee I wonder if there will be any discussion on how the Olympic village was built? I am sure there is a builder contracted to build the Olympic Village who’d have some stories to tell.

  44. thefrollickingmole


    Hmmm, and imagine if the the same people were in charge of both…

    Crazy conspiracy theory talk.. I mean imagine, they could post a solid record of outperforming most other funds and claim they are great managers…

  45. Crazy conspiracy theory talk indeed. Everyone knows that uncannily fortunate things only happen to Labor bigwigs by pure chance.

  46. Tintarella Di Luna

    When the kleptocracy formerly know as the NSW Labor government was power I noticed how so many of their seminars and forums were sponsored by various industry superfunds and Westpac (the preferred banker of the government)- I asked once about that and was told that they all had to sponsor at risk of losing the business. I grappled with the question: would it be possible that the government of the day would strong arm organisations like that? Surely not

  47. Dan

    Don’t forget, they are into banking now

  48. jumpnmcar

    This royal commission need look no further than Govt contract jobs.
    Start with desalination plants ( thank you Flannery ) and ” Heritage Listed ” projects.

  49. joeallen

    A motorists who exceeds speed limit by 4 km gets fined, even he has not caused physical or financial harm to any person. A union thug who deters another citizen from doing business with a company that is lawfully entitled to perform its business is not punished. The thug is causing harm financially and most likely physically by intimidation, but gets approval from this Boral ceo.

    Boral ceo has a problem. He doesn’t see the link between his actions and those of the speeding but harmless motorist. He is part of the problem he complains about. He wants the government that screws harmless motorists to help him fight someone who is financially hurting hsi company.

    Boral ceo, you get no sympathy from me. And I will also wager that you voted for Labor in the last election, just like all the ceos. So suck your egg up and fight your own battle. I do not wish to help you, have the government funded by my taxes to help you fight the party that you voted for. All you big ceos voted for the carbon tax, a tax that takes money from my pocket and puts the money into your pocket so you can continue to pollute the environment.

  50. Empire Strikes Back

    & imagine if those who were going to cause that strike action had links to a pot of money that could benefit from hypothetical strike action.

    Imagine if they had a cadre of goons who could trade dirty cash on the strike threat and keep the windfall at arm’s length from the “clean” money?

    Conspiracy talk indeed.

  51. Alfonso

    “All you big ceos voted for the carbon tax…”
    You got that right joea.
    The gearing, structuring and trading of carbon credit derivatives was prospectively the last great mega buck buffalo hunt for the Institutions and their industry clients.
    And now there are tears before bedtime, especially for those generous, selfless, market making martyrs at Goldman Sachs.

    The world wide extraction of mega billions from the populace by the Institutions was thus avoided by a gnats whisker.

  52. jumpnmcar

    Also the RC should talk to Paddy Crumlin of MUA.

    The Maritime Union’s wildcat industrial action at the Fremantle docks is a “highly disturbing” development that threatens the integrity of the workplace bargaining system, says a damning Fair Work Commission full bench decision.

    If the FWA think he’s a maggot then he’s definitely a parasitic bacteria on the arse of a maggot.
    From the Fin 31/01/14.
    Not mentioned on ” My ABC ” as yet……………

  53. jumpnmcar

    Oops,. must have missed this one.

    Mr Barklamb ( AMMA )says while he believes the industry has addressed the unions concerns over foreign labour, he says the other major claims remain unrealistic.

    He claims most workers already earn between $170,000 and $240,000 a year.

    “We have very clearly indicated that 22 per cent in not in the realm of a wage increase that can be countenanced,” he said.

    “But there are simply too many claims on the table, the MUA has a myriad of claims which potentially not only add to the 22 per cent but increase it to upwards of potentially the realms of 50 per cent to some operators.”

    Mr Cain( MUA) disputes AMMA’s claims saying the industry has already whittled their demands from about 160 to 5.

    He says workers are not willing to compromise further and are not afraid of striking to secure their demands.

  54. Tintarella di Luna

    Also the RC should talk to Paddy Crumlin of MUA.If the FWA think he’s a maggot then he’s definitely a parasitic bacteria on the arse of a maggot.

    Should I be worried that he was appointed to the National People with Disability and Carer Council?

  55. Bons

    Where were you Mr Boral when Mamma San was running the brothel?

  56. Empire Strikes Back

    Where were you Mr Boral when Mamma San was running the brothel?

    He was appointed in October 2012.

    Probably shitting himself the goons would 86 him by government fiat before he got started. Give him a break. He’s blowing the lid now and I don’t see a posse of CEO’s lining up to cover his sixer.

  57. jumpnmcar


    Should I be worried that he was appointed to the National People with Disability and Carer Council?

    He’s a knee-capper , so yes.

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