The science is settled – Capricorns are more pragmatic

This is about the generation most worried about global warming: Majority of young adults think astrology is a science.

According to a new survey by the National Science Foundation, nearly half of all Americans say astrology, the study of celestial bodies’ purported influence on human behavior and worldly events, is either “very scientific” or “sort of scientific.” . . .

What’s more alarming, researchers show in the 2014 Science and Engineering Indicators study, is that American attitudes about science are moving in the wrong direction. Skepticism of astrology hit an all-time high in 2004, when 66 percent of Americans said astrology was total nonsense. But each year, fewer and fewer respondents have dismissed the connections between star alignment and personality as bunk. . . .

Young people are also especially inclined to offer astrology scientific legitimacy, with a majority of Americans ages 18 to 24 considering the practice at least “sort of” scientific, and the 25-34 age group is not far behind them.

So let me re-write that, taking into account that 47% of adults (i.e. voters) in Australia still think global warming is a problem with presumably an even larger proportion of those under 30 having swallowed the Kool-Aid. Please bear in mind that this is a paraphrase just for satirical purposes:

According to a new survey, nearly half of all adults say anthropomorphic global warming (AGW), the study of carbon dioxide’s purported influence on our economy and world temperatures, is either “very scientific” or “sort of scientific. . . .”

What’s more alarming, researchers show in the study that attitudes about AGW are hardly budging. Skepticism about global warming still remains low, with only just over half of those surveyed saying AGW is total nonsense. . . .

Young people are also especially inclined to offer AGW scientific legitimacy, with a majority of ages 18 to 24 considering the practice at least “sort of” scientific, and the 25-34 age group is not far behind them.

But don’t worry. When the moon is in the seventh house and Mars is at its zenith, things will begin to shift.

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47 Responses to The science is settled – Capricorns are more pragmatic

  1. Louis Hissink

    And newspapers still publish daily horoscopes every day – who would have thunk….

  2. Grumbles

    When you have successfully convinced people that billions of years ago a huge explosion led to the existence of everything. That things can morph into other things. That with a telescope in space we can tell the the elemental make up of a planet so far away that we measure its distance based on how far light can travel each time our planet revolves around the sun. That we are the supreme gods that can control this planet for better or worse. Why wouldn’t they be convinced of astrology or AGW or whatever other crap you wanted to feed them?

  3. Kevin Rudd and I share the same birthday, but different years.

    This means that our Moon signs are different, and probably our rising signs also.

    This is why I don’t eat my own ear wax.

  4. Gab

    Capricorns make good bosses and are good in business and handling money.

    Sagittarians make great economists, the best in fact.

    However, Aquarians with a Taurus moon top the lot in every aspect.

    Hey, who said it’s not a science!

  5. cohenite

    You think this is bad, the CoE now calls AGW the great demon.

    AGW is a religion, or at least is based on the religious impulse with all its attendant irrationalities, emotions, fears and prejudices.

    And like all religions AGW is stupid with the responses of those who believe in it even stupider. Take the CoE for instance; AGW says man is running the climate; this clashes with the 7 days of creation by God; so is the church saying man is now God or that we are the devil/great demon? Maybe it’s a test; if we beat AGW then we get a place in heaven.

    How can something so stupid have the support of so many people nominally intelligent, like this England guy with his trade winds paper; the paper is so contradictory it has no place in science but there it is; the missing heat has been found and when the winds stop end of days will occur.

    If the heat is at the bottom of the ocean does that mean that is where hell is?

  6. Sinclair Davidson

    Your tone, Steve, suggests that astology isn’t a science. What is with you and the all the denialism?

  7. tgs

    That things can morph into other things.

    Wow, you’re an idiot.

  8. Leo G

    Astrology is “sort of scientific”. It is based, at least in part, on premises that can be tested. One principle tenet of astrology is that the Earth is at the centre of the motions of the heavenly bodies of interest to astrologers.
    So astrology may be considered a falsified theory.

  9. Leo G

    Oops “principal tenet”.

  10. PEB

    “In his classic 1948 experiment, Forer administered a personality test to his students. Rather than scoring the tests and giving individual assessments, he gave all the students exactly the same analysis copied from a newspaper astrology column. The students were then asked to evaluate the description on a scale of zero through five, with five being the most accurate. The average evaluation was 4.26. The experiment has been repeated hundreds of times since 1948, and the average remains about 4.2.”
    Humans will believe almost anything.
    I don’t have the same birthday as Kevin Rudd, phew!

  11. Squirrel

    I imagine the Australian figures for belief in astrology, and other totally awesome stuff, by the young, would be similar to those for the US, along, no doubt, with a similar tendency to conveniently overlook the fact that obtaining the daily supply of over-priced coffee-flavoured milk probably involves an environmental footprint the size of a third world family.

    The comforting thought is that reality eventually bites, and the young, sooner or later, have to start paying the bills (including the “think of future generations” component of those bills) for the “necessities” of life such as very long showers and heating and air-conditioning etc. etc. etc.

  12. Ellen of Tasmania

    This is the dawning of the age of ridiculous ……

  13. Robert Blair

    I have also read that 90 million americans routinely take mind-altering drugs.

    After they vote, I assume.

  14. This post reminds me of a Flanders & Swann song reproduced below-please note the last line>
    Jupiter’s gone into Orion, and come into conjunction with Mars
    Saturn is wheeling across infinite space to it’s pre-ordained place in the stars
    And I gaze at the planets in wonder
    At the trouble and time they spend
    All to warn me to be careful
    In dealings involving a friend.

  15. Squirrel

    By way of a PS, I sometimes used to reflect on the point that you could pick up any old (i.e. well out of date) magazine, with an astrology section and the forecast for the coming week/month for your star sign would have an encouraging ring of plausibility to it – even though it was well out of date, you could wish and believe it to be true – much like the outpourings of some economic commentators and forecasters.

  16. Squirrel

    “sabena

    #1188193, posted on February 13, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    This post reminds me of a Flanders & Swann song reproduced below-please note the last line>
    Jupiter’s gone into Orion, and come into conjunction with Mars
    Saturn is wheeling across infinite space to it’s pre-ordained place in the stars
    And I gaze at the planets in wonder
    At the trouble and time they spend
    All to warn me to be careful
    In dealings involving a friend.”

    And all the more so if Madeira is involved!

  17. hoppers

    Hi, I’m a month and a half younger than Kevin, and a week younger than Tony, and that makes me a passionate and loyal Scorpio, but beware of my jealous side!

    I’m ruled by Mars and Pluto, and I’m a water sign, which is where the missing warming is hiding by the way.

  18. Jessie

    Leo G at 4.29

    So astrology may be considered a falsified theory

    Try telling Gab that.

  19. Gab

    that makes me a passionate and loyal Scorpio

    Did you know that Abbott is the first Australian Prime Minister with the Scorpio astrological sign? True. Remember that fact as you may need to use it at a Trivia night function.

  20. jupes

    Astrology. Religion. AGW.

    All equally credible.

  21. Jessie

    Robert Blair
    Well it worked for Pythia and other supplicants 1400BC-395AD.
    Geological evidence now points to ethylene.

  22. old44

    hoppers
    #1188228, posted on February 13, 2014 at 4:51 pm

    Well, this week anyway.

  23. Re the Age article cited above:

    “Maybe being born in the summer gives you a predisposition to a certain type of behaviour, I don’t know.

    Indeed. Seasonality studies are far more interesting and offer much more likely hypotheses for some things.

  24. cynical1

    Maybe they were thinking of “Astronomy”….

  25. Jessie

    Philippa,

    Like an alternate hypothesis for the anthropogenic workings of shell middens for example?

  26. BarryK

    I suggest there may be a high correlation between acceptance of astrology as a science and the feminization of the teaching profession. The observation is supported by the relative occurrence of astrology information in women’s and men’s magazines. (Responses to this may be categorized as PC or scientific.)

  27. DrBeauGan

    Against all my natural inclinations I am turning into an authoritarian bastard. I want to stop everyone with an IQ less than 130 from voting or standing for parliament.

  28. Shane

    The real n*gg*r in the woodpile re astrology that no one talks about very loudly ,is its use in the financial field.

    As JP Morgan is credited with saying is that millionaires dont use astrology ,but billionaires do.

    When you think about it,someone being very successful at making money that way ,is going to be real quiet about broadcasting that they have a tool that works.
    Because at the end of the day,most financial markets are a zero sum game.

    Think WDGann, & more modern exponents like Mahendra Sharma ,

  29. incoherent rambler

    If the heat is at the bottom of the ocean does that mean that is where hell is?

    At 15,000 psi and 4C, sounds like cold hell to me.

  30. cohenite

    I want to stop everyone with an IQ less than 130 from voting or standing for parliament.

    Won’t work; Clive Hamilton has a high IQ, so do most AGW scientists. Jayne Mansfield also had a high IQ and apparently was one of the few Hollywood actresses to have an IQ larger than her bust measurement.

    Jayne Manesfield’s IQ.

  31. incoherent rambler

    I have a magic elixir that makes your dick bigger and cures belief in AGW.

    Who wants to buy?

    (Memo to AGW BS artists. Science is into empirical evidence not belief. Feynman turns in grave.)

  32. Grumbles

    Shane, even correlation wouldn’t determine causation. Further, astrology is that personality can be determined by planetary positioning at birth. Ridiculous. The fact that the current position of the planets can have an influence on the world however, is more interesting.

  33. Leo G

    When you think about it,someone being very successful at making money that way ,is going to be real quiet about broadcasting that they have a tool that works.

    Wasn’t JP the chap who financed Tesla’s crazy multifunction Wardenclyffe Tower which was claimed to be capable of supplying the USA with electrical energy from the ionosphere, of allowing high frequency communication worldwide, and of lighting up the ocean at night for better maritime safety?

  34. Motelier

    From Gab

    Capricorns make good bosses and are good in business and handling money.

    Sagittarians make great economists, the best in fact.

    However, Aquarians with a Taurus moon top the lot in every aspect.

    Hey, who said it’s not a science!

    Thanks Gab

    I am of the sign of Sagittarius. Now as for being a good economist. Hmmmmmm I will have to defer to the wisdom of Mrs M, who happens to be a Tauras/Gemini cusp.

  35. Infidel Tiger

    I know lots of atheists who believe in astrology, palm reading, tarot cards etc.

    I sometimes believe if I sit in a particular seat my team will win.

  36. candy

    Is Steve Kates a Saggitarian then, if they make good economists (according to Gab above)?

  37. Kaboom

    Astrology? A complete load of Taurus…

  38. Uh oh

    We Taureans tend to be very sceptical about Astrology.

  39. candy

    We Taureans tend to be very sceptical about Astrology.

    Us Cancerians feel it could be a load of bollocks, too.

  40. calli

    Huh! Pisceans Rule! Well, in their dreams, anyway…

  41. 2dogs

    What is the covariance between the two populations, I wonder.

    Would it support Stephan Lewandowsky’s research?

  42. Shane

    Grumbles ,not sure if you are curious as to an interpretation / explanation re short & long term planetary effects on solar cycles & weather patterns.
    But here goes ,from a retired Australian farmer

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.306.6293&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    On the other hand ,maybe I should just save my breathe to cool my porridge…..

  43. JohnA

    tgs #1188171, posted on February 13, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    That things can morph into other things.

    Wow, you’re an idiot.

    Are you sure, tgs? As I understand it, that sums up the idea of macro-evolution pretty well. Supposedly, one branch of apes morphed into humans, while the other branches didn’t.

    Personally I haven’t got the strength of faith that can believe there was once nothing, and then at some indeterminate time the nothing exploded for no reason, to form everything we can see, and gave rise to abstract things we can’t see, like “logic”.

  44. We Virgos are too busy tidying up to worry about astrology.

  45. It’s no surprise what some people think these days, when you consider that the most recent cover-page story of a magazine that titles itself Skeptic (on sale here in Canada at all high-quality supermarkets, right next to that beacon of responsible reporting, the National Enquirer) deals with the question of ancient astronauts and the possible assistance they gave in developing the wheel and the Pyramids.

    One thing is for sure – the skepticism the magazine shows seems not to relate to wild claims about the origins of human technology. Next to this, astrology is but a drop in the bucket of stupid.

  46. Andrew

    Did you know that Abbott is the first Australian Prime Minister with the Scorpio astrological sign?

    I fucking KNEW A666 was evil!

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