Craig Thomson

Today the Court has found Thomson guilty of obtaining financial advantage by using his Health Services Union (HSU) credit card to pay for sexual services and making cash withdrawals.

On 21 May 2012, Thomson gave a tearful speech to the House of Representatives in which he emphatically denied the charges and, furthermore, made accusations against the then Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott.

That applies in this country, and you have trashed that. What you have done is not just damage to an individual or their family. You have damaged democracy and you continue to damage democracy, and you should hang your head in shame for that. What it shows of the Leader of the Opposition, that man, is that not only is he unfit to be a prime minister; in my view, he is unfit to be an MP.

Thomson has committed high contempt against the House of Representatives and should be sanctioned by the House.

The House has powers to imprison or fine persons that it has inherited from the House of Commons and which are now enshrined in the  Parliamentary Privileges Act 1987. 

The House of Commons Practice (May) states

The Commons may treat the making of a deliberately misleading statement as a contempt. In 1963 the House resolved that in making a personal statement which contained words which he later admitted not to be true, a former Member had been guilty of a grave contempt.

As noted in House of Representatives Practice

By section 49 of the Constitution the House of Representatives acquired the powers, privileges and immunities of the House of Commons as at 1 January 1901, until the Parliament otherwise declared. In the absence of such a declaration of those powers, privileges and immunities until 1987 with the enactment of the Parliamentary Privileges Act, they remained those of the House of Commons as at 1 January 1901.

The House may sentence a person to up to six months imprisonment

Section 7 of the Parliamentary Privileges Act provides that the House may impose a penalty of imprisonment for a period not exceeding six months for an offence against it. Such a penalty is not affected by prorogation or dissolution. Before the enactment of this provision, the House, under section 49 of the Constitution, possessed the same power in this area as the House of Commons in 1901; the Commons was considered to be without the power to imprison for a period beyond the session, although apart from this constraint there were no other limits in terms of the length of committal.171

On the only occasion when the House of Representatives has exercised its power of commitment (see p. 731), Messrs Browne and Fitzpatrick, in 1955, were committed for three months. No prorogation or dissolution of the Parliament intervened during the period of their imprisonment and they served the full period of their commitment.

In the present case, the House should summon Thomson, charge him with grave contempt, and if it finds him guilty, sentence him to a month or so in prison. Thomson’s offence against the House is extremely grave. Not only did he deliberately lie and deceive the House, but he did so to procure personal advantage and personal financial advantage. His lies enabled him to keep him position until the 2013 election and continue to support his friends to remain in government until that election. In effect, Thomson staged a coup d’etat against the Australian people. It enabled him to recontest the seat of Dobell, thus increasing his parliamentary pension for the rest of his life.

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95 Responses to Craig Thomson

  1. incoherent rambler

    On current form (Combet, Scott-Despoja), I would expect the government to give Craig a high commissioners job (somewhere).

  2. Splatacrobat

    In effect, Thomson staged a coup d’etat against the Australian people.

    He gave legitimacy to an illegitimate government.
    Just like footy teams who are stripped of their premiership so Labor should be stripped of the title of Government of Australia 2010-2013. This period should from now on be referred to as the ………………

    Put your catch phase in above and we will draw a winner on sentencing day.

  3. kae

    I wonder how depressed the poor dear is.

    Will he have to serve the custodial sentence from Parliament concurrently with his other sentence, or will they add it on?

  4. Samuel J

    Kae, I think the House should wait until the Court sentence is handed down and then add on its own sentence.

  5. Baldrick

    Well may we say God save the Queen because nothing will save the former member for Dobell, who will go down in history as Gillards Grafter.

  6. Rafe

    Playing for short-term political advantage by supporting the liar could and should blow back on the ALP in a devastating way. It certainly boosts the case for the Royal Commission against the feeble efforts by the usual suspects to pretend that cleaning up the unions should be left to the police (LOL).

  7. Already the Labor trolls are out in force on other blogs proclaiming “look, the system works. See, Thomson is guilty, no need for a Royal Commission”. Pathetic. The ALP and big sections of the union movement have no shame, no ethics, no moral compass. Power, ambition and greed is their only motivation. Damn them and bring on the royal commission.

  8. ar

    thus increasing his parliamentary pension for the rest of his life.

    Does he qualify for a pension? Needs 8 years service, I thought…

  9. Oh Dear!

    In this case, I say. “OFF WITH HIS HEAD” this seems to be the current barbaric thing to do, in
    keeping with recent trends, and the rightful thing to do, say what. Next Labor problem?

  10. Oh Dear!

    Goedon Nuttall was fine $2000.00 for each time he was found in contempt of the Queensland Parliament …a total of $82,000.00 and then went back to jail.

  11. David

    thus increasing his parliamentary pension for the rest of his life

    I suppose that will entitle him to a pensioner’s discount at the local knock shop as well.

  12. mizaris

    This period should from now on be referred to as the ………………

    …the shit float era led by krudd/Juliar Gilliard. Bring on the RC!!!

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    A discount from a kind-hearted whore? Would pensioners be more work, or less? The mind boggles.

    Anyway, Thommo should be well and truly strung up and hung out to dry. He is the cause of this country enduring a much longer period of a totally hopeless immoral government that spent all our money and with very little but enormous debt to show for it. Let him pay for it. Shame about the rest.

    To jail. And then more some, for lying to Parliament.

  14. pseudonym

    It’s interesting to see that Thomson could be done for contempt of Parliament, but I think it would be best to let this go.

    The Heydon Royal Commission, if it does it’s job properly, ought to provide enough useful stuff to keep the journalists busy. I haven’t checked the terms of reference, but I imagine that the HSU stuff will get a re-run here.

    In any event, I think the government should just press ahead, so far as it can, on deliverying its election commitments. The next election is only about 2.5 years away and, by then, the stink over the Thomson affair would have died down. At that time, probably the government will be judged on its record, more than anything else.

    Time is passing quickly and I think it best that they should just focus on the main game.

    (It’s nice to nail a lying bastard, though. )

  15. Up The Workers!

    With his impeccable reputation for ‘Labor-style honesty’ and ‘Labor-style integrity’, I expect that any day now, the University of Adelaide will probably make him a “Dishonourary Professor”, so that he can be rubbing shoulders (and sundry other anatomical oddities) with his hero, “Professor Juliar Gillard”.

    After all, they have a shared morality, and a deep-seated sense of ‘Labor’ honour and integrity.

    Now, if only he could lay his hands on a lazy $100 million like she did.

    P.S. – I wonder whether his hapless legal eagle was from one of those “no win; no fee” crowds that Labor seem to always be toadying up to?

    Given that Bull Shitten has now paid out around $400,000.00 in this loser’s legal costs, he can’t be too happy with the result.

  16. Ubique

    All those who supported the lying thief Thomson should be tarred and feathered beginning with Gillard. Moonshott and Windsor should be next.

  17. Leigh Lowe

    On current form (Combet, Scott-Despoja), I would expect the government to give Craig a high commissioners job (somewhere).

    I am not sure what prompted me to think this, but do we have a High Commission in Amsterdam?

  18. candy

    Time is passing quickly and I think it best that they should just focus on the main game.
    (It’s nice to nail a lying bastard, though. )

    pseudonym
    Yep, I think so too. The craig Thomson theft gives so much more validation, if it needed it, to the Royal Commission anyway. Full steam ahead!

  19. Sinclair Davidson

    Is there such a thing as conspiracy to commit contempt of Parliament? If so, Gillard and Albanese should be charged too.

  20. Is there such a thing as conspiracy to commit contempt of Parliament? If so, Gillard and Albanese should be charged too.

    Man, why stop there? Half the former government should be dragged before the Bar of Parliament.

    Except Peter Slipper, who spent way too much time before the bar of Parliament in his heyday, and was mostly dragged out of it, rather than into it …

  21. Infidel Tiger

    I expect Slipper would enjoy prison. Toilet wine will grow on him and he’ll love shower time.

  22. The whole idea of covering up for Thomson was to keep Gillard in power.

    That’s all.

    It would be good to see that turning up in a few op-eds here and there.

  23. Leigh Lowe

    I expect Slipper would enjoy prison. Toilet wine will grow on him and he’ll love shower time.

    No pesky doors on the showers in Cell Block H.

  24. Infidel Tiger

    Let’s not forget Windsor and Oakeshott supported this pock marked turd.

    When the revolution comes they’ll be going through the woodchipper.

  25. Leigh Lowe

    Given that Bull Shitten has now paid out around $400,000.00 in this loser’s legal costs, he can’t be too happy with the result.

    On the contrary, it achieved it’s precise objective.
    It kept Shagger’s political career on life support long enough for them to limp through the term of minority Gumment.
    They never thought he would get off.
    Shit, some of them were at the whorehouse with him.
    They knew he was a goner.

  26. Jim Rose

    He will now inform on corrupt colleagues go reduce his sentence

  27. CatAttack

    The salaries drawn by the sybaritic parasites on the HSU executive make old SnowCone look like a bargain. What the hell do they do to draw $500,000 a year. If I was a poorHSU member I would be really pissed and have resigned.

    Can’t wait for the Royal Commission to look under a few rocks and shine a huge bloody spot light on the cockroaches beneath.

  28. JC

    Can you please please stop. Shagger Thompson is innocent!

  29. egg_

    When the revolution comes they’ll be going through the woodchipper.

    Oakeshott’s thick skull will likely jam it.

  30. Sinclair Davidson

    JC – no less a legal authority as m0nty has declared that the case against Shagger collapsed.

  31. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    do we have a High Commission in Amsterdam

    One of my favorite cities, and Mrs Two Alpha hails from that part of the world. Where can I apply for the job?

  32. JC – no less a legal authority as m0nty has declared that the case against Shagger collapsed.

    Did he really? I knew he predicted a pissy sentence, but I didn’t know he’d gone as far as that.

    Monty. I almost miss him, you know.

  33. Tel

    When the revolution comes they’ll be going through the woodchipper.

    You country bumpkin… read about how bankers die in London and the US… much more creativity.

    He will now inform on corrupt colleagues go reduce his sentence

    I certainly hope so.

  34. From Bob Ellis – and I’m not making this up:

    It’s a pity the ABC has not yet said how much Craig ‘stole’ from his union members, a bit over ten thousand dollars, and how this compares with the rorts of various Liberal politicians revealed last year.

    One would have thoughg the numbers mattered. They add up to two dollars thirty a day in the seven years he was union secretary. For this, he may go to gaol. Compared with Tony Abbott, who paid back over twenty thousand dollars he had likewise, over a longer period, stolen from the taxpayer, this outcome seems unjust.

    Or perhaps you disagree.

  35. Oh Bob. I can do so much better than that.

    The gaols are full of innocent men. Tonight, there will be another added to the long list of Murdoch’s victims.

    Tonight, a young father, a stalwart former servant of the people of Dobell, will sleep in a small, cramped prison cell, with only an open sewer for his personal use.

    How has this happened? The days of Jean Valjean are upon us once more, but without song. Unless, of course, Craig Thomson is singing quietly tonight to an uncaring moon, shining through the bars of his cell block.

    How proud Tony Abbott must be. The riots in Manus can be concealed by framing an innocent man with the help of Murdoch and Rinehart. The IPA will gloat, doubtless, as they receive their backhanded payments from the corrupt court system.

    I am sickened. I turn away, aching with the injustice of it all.

    Now THAT’S more like it. Chin up, old feller.

  36. A Lurker

    I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the Mafia display higher morals and principles than the ALP/Unions.

  37. Gab

    I arrived at that conclusion some time ago, Lurker. The Mafia has ethics too.

  38. A Lurker

    Just like footy teams who are stripped of their premiership so Labor should be stripped of the title of Government of Australia 2010-2013. This period should from now on be referred to as the Years of our Discontent.

  39. entropy

    Sheer poetry, Philippa, sheer poetry.

    soft claps

  40. Just like footy teams who are stripped of their premiership so Labor should be stripped of the title of Government of Australia 2010-2013. This period should from now on be referred to as the Years of our Discontent.

    S’all ready happened if you’re a True Believer.

    They seem to be convinced the Abbott government took over when Howard retired in 2013.

  41. Splatacrobat

    Poor Zoe will have to trek every weekend from Bateau Bay to a Melbourne gaol to visit him.
    Not to mention the poor bub. ” Mummy? Why does daddy wearing brown trackie dacks and a brown tee shirt every time we visit him at his office?”

  42. Ripper

    It enabled him to recontest the seat of Dobell, thus increasing his parliamentary pension for the rest of his life.

    Chuck the book at him. We need to set a serious precedent here.

  43. squawkbox

    I am sure the 3rd Mrs Thomson knew exactly who and what she was marrying. The only thing that shocked her is that he got found out.

  44. Infidel Tiger

    Thommo’s missus isn’t a bad looker. She’ll be back on the market now and we know she isn’t fussy.

  45. Ant

    You know if he ran in Dobell again for Labor he’d probably pick up about 55% 2PP.

  46. squawkbox

    More or less on topic, how does one nominate someone to appear on Q&A? A petition, a letter to the right person or what? I don’t think Bob Ellis’ genius is sufficiently appreciated by the great Australian public.

  47. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From pseudonym at 10:23 pm:

    “It’s interesting to see that Thomson could be done for contempt of Parliament, but I think it would be best to let this go.”

    Errr, no. No.

    He, and we, are entitled to that.

    Now is the time, while he is on the ground, to maintain a steady stance with one foot on his throat while the other boot is placed repeatedly between the 3rd and 4th rib – to encourage the others.

  48. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Infidel Tiger at 11:51 pm:

    “Thommo’s missus isn’t a bad looker. She’ll be back on the market now and we know she isn’t fussy.”

    Well done old chap, pretty to watch!

  49. JohnA

    pseudonym #1194494, posted on February 18, 2014 at 10:23 pm

    It’s interesting to see that Thomson could be done for contempt of Parliament, but I think it would be best to let this go.

    The Heydon Royal Commission, if it does it’s job properly, ought to provide enough useful stuff to keep the journalists busy. I haven’t checked the terms of reference, but I imagine that the HSU stuff will get a re-run here.

    No, sorry to disagree pseudonym.

    But if the Parliament has been held in such knowing contempt, with such fraudulent financial gain as the outcome, then the Parliament has a responsibility to uphold the law, and render its own judgement upon him.

  50. Robert O.

    So much for the honesty of the ALP/Union block. Williamson out, Thomson out, who is next to bat for the team, perhaps the lady who had complete confidence in the member for Dobell?

  51. Cold-Hands

    Complete confidence… That rings a bell.

  52. No Big Deal

    1. There is no truth to the scurrilous rumour that this was one of a series of meetings with Craig Thomson where a settlement between the ALP and the former Member for Dobell was negotiated.

    2. Additionally, it would be completely wrong to suggest that it was agreed Thomson would:

    a. Face court to allow the impression of due process,

    b. Accept without comment whatever sentence if any, handed down by the court, including gaol time, and

    c. Keep his mouth shut about information in his possession that might/would seriously compromise senior members of the ALP and the union movement.

    3. It would be false to suggest that in return for meeting the above conditions it was agreed:

    a. The length of any gaol sentence would be reduced after a period of time sufficient for people to forget and/or lose interest,

    b. Thomson’s said gaol time would be made as comfortable as possible through the efforts of trusted members of prison officers union,

    c. The ABC will report as little as possible as well as ensure, if it is reported there is a more dramatic competing headline to distract viewers.

    d. if found guilty and a custodial sentence is imposed, Thomson would receive compensation in the form of a cash settlement and employment once he is released from prison.

    4. Finally, it would be completely inaccurate to suggest that senior members of the ABC, both editorial staff and on-air talent are aware of any such deal.

    5. Any person making such baseless allegations, as those above should face the full force of the law.

    Oh and yes, I believe ‘The Gelding’ and the other eunuchs in Cabinet will do precisely nothing

  53. this pock marked turd

    I have a conjecture about those pockmarks: spirochætes.

  54. dover_beach

    I can almost imagine, should Thommo do a stretch, a ‘Free Thommo’ campaign ala ‘Free Mumia’ headed by Cate Blanchett.

  55. Senile Old Guy

    It’s interesting to see that Thomson could be done for contempt of Parliament, but I think it would be best to let this go.

    Absolutely not, as others have said.

    He used parliamentary privilege to lie to the Australian people for personal and party gain. He did this knowingly while abusing the current PM. He should be punished to the full extent of the law both for his crimes and as a message to others.

    His farcical fabricated “explanations” were an insult to us. Put him in a cell.

  56. Neville

    Lately I have been asking myself this question, If Gillard had of dumped both Shagger Thompson and Slipper the Misogynist and then called an election saying, “My personal integrity will not allow me the run any Government that is propped up by someone whose own Integrity is in question so I have called an Election” If she had of done that and then run an election campaign based on Integrity, Then could she have won? All that I come up with is that I am relieved that she has such a small quantum of courage. N

  57. MT Isa Miner

    Infidel Tiger

    #1194519, posted on February 18, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    Let’s not forget Windsor and Oakeshott supported this pock marked turd.

    When the revolution comes they’ll be going through the woodchipper.

    I like some blood in the water on teh snow, like Fargo. Maybe we could wholesale chum after the Heydon Royal Commission, what with Williamson and Thompson we’ve already got about a tonne. ( not a threat).

  58. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Shagger the Pockmarked Turd does need to be sentenced to prison time by the parliament.

    This is a precedent which needs to be set. He stood up in the parliament under pribvilege and deliberately lied.

  59. MT Isa Miner

    In the present case, the House should summon Thomson, charge him with grave contempt, and if it finds him guilty, sentence him to a month or so in prison. Thomson’s offence against the House is extremely grave. Not only did he deliberately lie and deceive the House, but he did so to procure personal advantage and personal financial advantage. His lies enabled him to keep him position until the 2013 election and continue to support his friends to remain in government until that election. In effect, Thomson staged a coup d’etat against the Australian people. It enabled him to recontest the seat of Dobell, thus increasing his parliamentary pension for the rest of his life.

    Someone has to join the dots for all the normal people. Soon the left will be saying it was all over a couple of $1000 bucks on hooker and some porn. The money and the political deals and the contempt for parliament need to be on billboards everywhere. Spell it out for the 50% of us who can only just remember our pin numbers.

  60. JohnA

    dover_beach #1194746, posted on February 19, 2014 at 5:50 am

    I can almost imagine, should Thommo do a stretch, a ‘Free Thommo’ campaign ala ‘Free Mumia’ headed by Cate Blanchett.

    Maybe if it is as effective as a “Free Chapelle” campaign he could do 9 out of 20… and maybe all his Parliamentary remuneration could be forfeit as “the proceeds of crime”.

  61. johninoxley

    Robert O, that was no “lady”, never was, never will be.

  62. Tintarella di Luna

    Craig Thomson is a symptom of the disease that afflicts Labor. The disease which incubated in the Labor right in the Whatever-it-Takes men. University-educated professional politicians who look down on the wukkkahs because well, because they’re wukkahs and not university-educated.

    Union-Labor has been seriously jolly-rogered by a series low-brow rogues – Gillard is the subcubus, Craig could possibly be the incubus and their deeds have dealt the blows that will bring the movement (good word) to its knees if not the death blow.

  63. Denise

    Can’t help wondering how legitimate any legislation passed during the period of Thompson being the single deciding vote, is.

  64. dover_beach

    I’m not sure this contempt of parliament thesis has a leg to stand on. Denying a charge in the parliament not yet sustained in a court of law is not contempt of the parliament just as if you plead ‘not guilty’ in court and are found guilty there is no contempt of the court. Thompson is a contemptible fool who should do a stretch and should also face a civil law suit for the damages he has incurred to members of the HSU, but let’s not beat a dead horse.

  65. He stood up in the parliament under privilege and deliberately lied

    Unfortunately, that’s not true. I maintain that he wilfully attempted to mislead Parliament in his dissembling, deliberately deceptive discourse, and should be tried therefor, but he was careful not to utter a specific lie. For example, though he pontificated on the presumption of innocence, he never said in his lengthy, lachrymose speech “I am innocent”; instead, he warily said, “I have consistently from day one denied any wrongdoing in relation to these issues”. That was a true statement: he had always denied any wrongdoing.

  66. MT Isa Miner

    Deadman

    #1194820, posted on February 19, 2014 at 8:08 am

    He stood up in the parliament under privilege and deliberately lied

    Unfortunately, that’s not true. I maintain that he wilfully attempted to mislead Parliament in his dissembling, deliberately deceptive discourse, and should be tried therefor, but he was careful not to utter a specific lie. For example, though he pontificated on the presumption of innocence, he never said in his lengthy, lachrymose speech “I am innocent”; instead, he warily said, “I have consistently from day one denied any wrongdoing in relation to these issues”. That was a true statement: he had always denied any wrongdoing.

    In my guts I know you are goin to be right about the law. Fuck the law, it has to change.

  67. JC

    Deadman

    Yes he did deny his wrongdoing and the court found him guilty, which means he lied.

  68. Leigh Lowe

    Phillipa.
    You are more Bobby than Bob himself.

  69. A Lurker

    Unfortunately, that’s not true. I maintain that he wilfully attempted to mislead Parliament in his dissembling, deliberately deceptive discourse, and should be tried therefor, but he was careful not to utter a specific lie. For example, though he pontificated on the presumption of innocence, he never said in his lengthy, lachrymose speech “I am innocent”; instead, he warily said, “I have consistently from day one denied any wrongdoing in relation to these issues”. That was a true statement: he had always denied any wrongdoing.

    So when is a lie, not a lie? It is when Thomson can stand up in Parliament and intentionally torture and twist words in order to not face future consequences for deceiving Parliament, and the Australian people. Well, as far as I am concerned he did knowingly lie, and he did knowingly mislead, and everyone else in Australia who possesses a shred of decency and morality and a sense of what’s right will say the same thing. So I don’t care what the legalistic rules are – he needs to be fully accountable for what he said to Parliament because the ‘vibe’ says he lied.

  70. Andrew

    Gillard is the subcubus, Craig could possibly be the incubus

    Good description of TLS: “subcubus.” Succubus is too good for her.

  71. dover_beach

    JC, you’re allowed to deny wrong-doing when those charges had not yet led to a conviction.

    Deadman, how is this any different to giving an alternative account of what may have happened in a court of law?

  72. J.C, I have publicly accused Thomson of lying for several years. He did lie. In court his lawyer, on his behalf, conceded the truth of the prosecution’s charges that he did indeed hire harlots on the HSU’s dime despite Thomson’s assertions for years that he had not done so. His lawyer, effectively, admits that Thomson lied.
    On the charge of lying to Parliament, however, he was very careful to suggest conspiracies, to allude to other possibilities, to promote the notion that others framed him, and to refer to his own innocence without ever actually claiming innocence in a straightforward and honest way. As I wrote earlier, I reckon he wilfully misled Parliament, for he clearly intended people to interpret his words as a protestation of innocence, but there is no specific lie in his speech.

  73. Ellen of Tasmania

    I suspect Craig is the tiny tip of a huge iceberg, and Labor have decided to throw him under the bus to protect the rest of them. I suspect that the level of corruption within and between the Labor party, unions and businesses is ‘too big to fail’ and/or jail. And they must have something against the Libs for them to remain so quiet.

    I’d love the Royal Commission to have deadly shark’s teeth and really clean out, but I won’t hold my breath. Big government, big business and big corruption go hand in hand.

    (And yes, I know you can’t really throw tips of icebergs under buses, but you know what I mean….)

  74. Leigh Lowe

    It enabled him to recontest the seat of Dobell, thus increasing his parliamentary pension for the rest of his life.

    Actually, there is a form of “redundancy” available to defeated members. Had he simply not contested that would have been seen as retiring (= no cash) but by paying his deposit and appearing on the ballot paper, he collects a payout.
    Slippery Pete did the same, and even used some recycled campaign boards from his National Party days to save costs but ensure he collected the payout.

  75. Robbo

    Thompson is beneath contempt but I don’t want to see the Parliament of Australia wasting its time dealing with his sins. They need to concentrate on far more important issues. The courts are dealing with Thomson on his thieving and fraud, he has no reputation left and his future is, hopefully, bleak. That’s good enough for me.

  76. Anne

    Splatacrobat
    #1194410, posted on February 18, 2014 at 9:29 pm
    He gave legitimacy to an illegitimate …Government of Australia 2010-2013. This period should from now on be referred to as the ………………

    Put your catch phase in above and we will draw a winner on sentencing day.

    “The Twerking Years”

    Oh…she was just walking…I thought…

  77. Robert O.

    Robbo, if parliament does not take any action against Mr. Thomson , albeit something symbolic, it brings itself down to his level and certainly no relation to the moniker “HONOURABLE” that adorns some of its members.

  78. JMH

    Isn’t it an issue of misleading Parliament rather than actually lying? In my view, Thomson deliberately misled the House as well as playing the AbbottAbbottAbbott card.

    Therefore, off to Privileges with him – after the Court has finished with the grub.

  79. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Robbo:

    Thompson is beneath contempt but I don’t want to see the Parliament of Australia wasting its time dealing with his sins. They need to concentrate on far more important issues. The courts are dealing with Thomson on his thieving and fraud, he has no reputation left and his future is, hopefully, bleak. That’s good enough for me.

    Then you need to lift your requirements.

    he abused the privileges of and the paltform of parliament to lie, deliberately, to the parliament.

    Parliament has been traduced, and has to respond so as to crush the precedent Shagger set. it’s a straight out, very simple issue of principle. it is not about Shagger, it’s about being seen to punish those who abuse parliamentary privilege and who lie to the Parliament.

    If they had half a brain, the ALP would bring this motion forward. They won’t, as they are all cut from the same cloth as Shagger, being universally lairs, thieves, whore-mongers, spivs, charlatans, fourth-rate window lickers, nepotists and corrupt union hacks.

  80. Pickles

    If he does get dragged into the Parliament, who is the “inquisitor”? (or whatever it’s called).

    I imagine whoever got that fun brief would be at great pains to point out not only CT’s crimes but to hang them around Labor’s neck like a dead chook on a kelpie. It would have to be deadly serious and grave.
    Pyne would be no good as he couldn’t help himself but turn the ridicule knob up to 11. Turnbull might be alright. Maybe Abbot as CT reckoned he wasn’t fit to sit in the House. Or would it be the speaker? Imagine getting a formal dressing down by Bronnie, then being fined and sentenced to gaol by her.
    On further reflection, this is a job for Barney.

  81. Token

    On the charge of lying to Parliament, however, he was very careful to suggest conspiracies, to allude to other possibilities, to promote the notion that others framed him…

    The fabrication to defame his college Marco Bilano under privilege which has been proven to be false must be addressed.

  82. Leigh Lowe

    I still maintain that the best chance of nailing Thommo on the “misleading parliament” charge does not lie in his protestations of innocence (anyone is permitted to do that) or his attacks on Abbott, which were merely subjective commentary (albeit off-the-wall).
    Even the vague conspiracy theories are just that – theories – and he is perhaps entitled to raise them.
    But the overstep came when he named a specific person (Marco Bolano) including the claim that he had corroborating witnesses to Bolano’s alleged threats.
    A mere twelve months later his brief doesn’t bother calling all these witnesses to the conspiracy and, in fact, concedes to the court that they aren’t disputing that Craig spent the money under his own hand.
    He either lied to Parliament or perjured himself in court.

  83. Leigh Lowe

    The fabrication to defame his college Marco Bilano under privilege which has been proven to be false must be addressed.

    +1 Token.
    I didn’t see your comment before I posted mine but, yes, the very specific naming of Bolano (including claims of corroborating witnesses) but then abandoning this fantasy in court hangs Thomson conclusively.
    I do think the Libs need to be careful though. Strange as it seems, if he is doing porridge and the bride is turning up for visits with the baby on the hip, it could be seen that he has copped his right whack and the “misleading arliament” is just a vindictive pursuit of him.
    Not my view, but public opinion is a funny beast …

  84. Leigh Lowe

    The ALP is very good at symbolism (eg memorials to boats sinking on the high seas) and re-writing history.
    Perhaps the penalty for misleading Parliament should follow this path, including:-
    (1) Footnoting every Hansard entry as “Craig Thomson – Dobell (subsequently convicted of fraud and misleading Parliament)”;
    (2) Make him undergo ethics training conducted by the IPA;
    (3) Donate a nominal amount to a prostitutes welfare fund

  85. brc

    On the charge of lying to Parliament, however, he was very careful to suggest conspiracies, to allude to other possibilities, to promote the notion that others framed him, and to refer to his own innocence without ever actually claiming innocence in a straightforward and honest way. As I wrote earlier, I reckon he wilfully misled Parliament, for he clearly intended people to interpret his words as a protestation of innocence, but there is no specific lie in his speech.

    Deadman is 100% correct. I listened to the speech at the time, and while it gave the impression of denying wrongdoing, in fact all it said was ‘I am a great bloke, and here is a couple of theories how this could all be explained, and I don’t like that Abbott bloke’. He didn’t ever deny the charges, and he didn’t specifically accuse others of perpetrating the offenses either. The speech was a rolling story of possible explanations for the evidence, backed up with self character references. The impression it gave was of denying guilt and asserting innocence, but that’s not what was actually said. Look up the transcript – even the part about describing the ruckus in the office didn’t accuse the others of setting him up, it just recollected a story that said they ere going to set him up, without making the last, final link. It was left to the listener to make that link in their minds.

    He didn’t really lie to parliament in the same way Gillard has always insisted ‘i did nothing wrong’. IANAL but ‘wrong’ carries no legal definition. You can say ‘i did nothing wrong’ until the cows come home – because it doesn’t define an event nor assert innocence or guilt to a specific charge.

    Others may think that the law is an ass for riding on these definitions, but precise meaning of words is important.

  86. Token

    This review by AJ deserves to be discussed. Has the magistrate provided grounds for an appeal which could get Thomson off?

  87. Fred Lenin

    Good question Denise,any constitutional lawyers want to give an opinion? Many questions arise from this guilty verdict ,and may I suggest a thorough Totally Independent Tribunal .with the power to jail miscreants,the Tribunal Members should NOt be ,politicians,members of any political party lawyers or employed by any government funded entity,and of course NO UNION members, Offer thompson a lesser sentence for information leading to coviction of other union crooks and alp ,green ,”totally Dependent ” criminals.

  88. brc

    Here is the bit of the speech:

    Turning to credit cards and escorts, I have consistently from day one denied any wrongdoing in relation to these issues. I make it clear—and I hope I have already by painting a picture—that I had many enemies in the HSU, many enemies who did not like increased transparency, many enemies who preferred that there be no national office. I was the subject on numerous occasions of threats and intimidation. I had my door of my office graffitied. The national office shared an office with other Victorian branches of the Health Services Union.

    There was, though, a particular threat that was made that I thought was just part of the routine threats that were constantly made in working in this environment. That was a threat by Marco Bolano in words to the effect that he would seek to ruin any political career that I sought and would set me up with a bunch of hookers. This was a threat that started in Kathy Jackson’s office. The rant went right down the corridor and was witnessed by many people. It was then also the subject of a report. A letter was written to the Jacksons and to Michael Williamson complaining about this incident and putting, very importantly, this instance on record—on record when it occurred that there was this threat.

    Later on, some years later, Michael Williamson said in front of a few witnesses, ‘This is the way we deal with people in the Health Services Union when we have problems.’ So we have the threat and, post facto, we have an admission. But Williamson went further. In the Daily Telegraph, a week ago on Saturday, he actually said he knew about this and it was commonplace in Victoria in relation to this union. So he made that absolutely clear. Of the seven occasions that are set out, three of them could not be me. There are alibis: on two occasions my being with other people, and on one occasion being in Perth and not being in Sydney for the month around the alleged incident.

    Hansard may 21, 2012, member for dobell statement

    All he did was report a threat – he never did actually assert that the threat was carried out. To the casual listener, it sounds like an accusation, but it actually isn’t. Obviously the ALP lawyers would have been all over this to make sure he didn’t actually lie in parliament – but merely put down covering fire of stories and incidents that sounded like accusations. The incidents must be on record, so there can be no action in reporting them.

    The ALP are world-class liars and dissemblers, so this stuff is their bread and butter. I would say the only thing the parliament can do is related to misleading or other lesser charges. They knew he couldn’t lie to parliament because they knew one day they would be in front of a judge. The purpose of the speech was to feed the faithful labor crooks with enough material to write about and keep an illegitimate governemtn in power for further treasury looting.

  89. cynical1

    “I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the Mafia display higher morals and principles than the ALP/Unions”.

    What took you so long?

  90. cynical1

    Dear agony Aunt,
    My name is Craig.

    You probably know about me from the news, but the thing is, I feel I am about to be totally humiliated.

    Yes, yes, I know there has been credit card fraud, hookers, liars and stuff.

    But why do the papers have to let people know I am a Kiwi…

  91. Oh come on

    Haha Ellis has cowed the Internet Gods into doing his bidding. They will soon Alter The Technology:

    The technology will be in place by the weekend.

    After which the Great Man will snap his fingers and the wheels will begin to turn:

    I’ll put up the mechanics on Monday.

  92. Brian of Moorabbin

    This is a precedent which needs to be set. He stood up in the parliament under pribvilege and deliberately lied.

    Not only that, Mk50, but deliberately and maliciously pointed the finger at another person (Marco Bolarno) during his speech; naming him as “the man wut set me up”…

    A claim that he and his defence team then totally abandoned by their use of the “yeah I dun it, but I wuz allowed cuz the rules dun say not to…” excuse.

    For that effort of wilful misleading of Parliament alone he should do time.

    Parliament should, somehow, also remove the ‘privledge’ allowed to that speech to allow Mr Bolarno to go Thommo for every cent he, his wife, and his family heve (and will ever earn in the future).

  93. Richard

    Yes, when the chips have finally fallen where they may the period 2010-2013 should be henceforth referred to as “The Ranga Interregnum” and the space in Parliament where the former PM’s portrait would normally hang should just have a random picture provided by one of the school groups doing a tour of Parliament House and taken that day off the internet (like a photo of grumpy cat)

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