No tears for Thommo

It wasn’t a sure-bet.  Had he been charged with the correct offences?  Would the Labor-appointed magistrate find some tortured logic to exonerate Thommo?

But, alas, he has been pinged.  The magistrate even used the term ‘blatant dishonesty’.

And where does that leave his extraordinary statement to the House of Representatives when he denied using his union credit card to procure the service of prostitutes only for his barrister to accept this as fact before the magistrate?

And what about Julia Gillard’s statement that she had full confidence in Craig Thomson? Where does that leave her judgement?

The interesting part now is what will be the penalty.  Will he go to jail?  Maximum time is 5 years – I am betting 18 months, commuted to about 9 months for good behaviour.

Here are some of the dets:

FORMER Labor MP Craig Thomson has been found guilty of defrauding the Health Services Union during his time as national secretary.

Melbourne magistrate Charlie Rozencwajg today ruled Mr Thomson had dishonestly obtained a financial advantage by using his union credit card to pay for prostitutes.

Victoria police laid over 140 fraud and theft charges relating to Mr Thomson’s use of HSU credit cards between 2002 and 2008.

It was alleged he spent nearly $6000 of union funds on escort services, with the expenditure entered into the HSU’s accounts as “entertainment”, meetings and teleconferencing expenses, and misappropriated over $20,000 for other personal purposes.

Mr Rozencwajg said evidence before the court showed that union funds, including union-issued credit cards, should be used only for the benefit of union members and Mr Thomson would have known this as national secretary.

He said it would be “an affront to common sense” to believe spending union money on escort services fell within any “grey area”.

Mr Rozencwajg said he had no doubt that Mr Thomson was fully aware he did not have authority to use union credit cards to pay for escorts.

He said a memo from May 7, 2005, in which Mr Thomson claimed $770 spent on escort services as a “dinner function” in Sydney was a clear example of dishonesty.

“The above meeting has been claimed as a business expense,” the memo said, with a handwritten note of “Internat Immobiliare” added to the page.

The court heard International Immobiliare is the trading name of Boardroom Escorts in Sydney and Mr Thomson ordered an escort called Alina from that service on 6 May 2005, with $770 charged for one hour of sexual services.

Mr Rozencwajg dismissed 13 charges relating to Mr Thomson charging pornographic movies to his hotel room, paid for by the HSU, as he said he could not be satisfied Mr Thomson had been dishonest about his conduct.

The case heard testimony from a former prostitute who said Mr Thomson paid her for sex on several occasions, as well as HSU officials who said claiming escort services, adult movies and private travel on the union credit cards was not acceptable though there was no written policy.

Records from Sydney brothel Tiffany’s Girls have shown a job sheet from its ‘Red Turbo Spa Room’ matched charges on Mr Thomson’s card, with hotel rooms where he stayed also matching escort agency records.

Mr Thomson, who lost his seat after standing as an independent in last year’ election, pleaded not guilty to the charges.

His legal team argued the rules of the HSU did not define the boundaries of work-related expenditure, and because the expenses had been approved and paid, no party had been actually defrauded.

Mr Thomson’s barrister Greg James QC did not challenge the evidence around how the expenditure was incurred, or what it was spent on, but claimed several of the charges were ambiguously drafted and should be thrown out.

Mr Rozencwajg has previously questioned the prosecution’s handling of the case and the nature of the charges, saying ‘’there are far more simple charges that could have been laid here but have not been brought’’.

Mr Thomson still faces a civil case launched in the Federal Court by the Fair Work Commission, but has sought mediation which began last year.

Mr Thomson was released on bail to appear for sentencing submissions next month, and agreed not to leave Australia in the meantime.

He refused to comment as he left the court, with relatives of HSU official Marco Bolano shouting “liar!” at him.

Mr Thomson used parliamentary privilege to accuse Mr Bolano of threatening to “set me up with a bunch of hookers”.

 

 

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182 Responses to No tears for Thommo

  1. stackja

    Main result a criminal conviction. Thommo cannot now I believe ever re-enter parliament. Many business regulations probably exclude him from various enterprises. ALP does seem to attract strange people.

  2. Mike of Marion

    poor old Thommo – may well be in the Laundry section soon. He may well experience the “bored, honed and blued’ sensation of prison

  3. Rabz

    Will he go to Gaol*?

    Not a chance. I’m betting a suspended sentence.

    *Not ‘Gail’.

  4. Fisky

    m0nster predicts – no jail time for Thommo!

    Paul Montgomery ‏@m0nty 5m
    @mickfisk @jc6543 @lokicat_ LOL, what a squib. As if he’ll get jail time. Case cratered as I said. Slap over wrist with wet lettuce to come.

  5. Mrs Beardsley

    Labor stalwart. No morals. No standards. Filth. No wonder Gillard supported him. She lacks morals, and any judgement. They belong together.

  6. A Lurker

    Although it was unlikely he’d ever stand for re-election – this criminal conviction means that there’s now no way Thomson will ever again be a MP or a Senator – and I’m hoping that his Parliamentary benefits dry up as well.

    It really is a joy to behold to see the collateral damage that will be peoples’ recollection of Gillard’s strong defence of him, that was Labor’s shelling out of hundred’s of thousands of dollars of Thomson’s legal fees, the Unions’ defence of him, various Canberra-Presstitute-Club-types defending him, and the fact that Labor did everything possible to keep him in Parliament knowing that he was guilty as sin.

    The Australian public may not say much, but they will remember, and the Royal Commission will ensure that their memories will continue to be re-jogged for a long time to come.

  7. steve

    It doesn’t matter whether he goes to jail or not now. Labor have been damaged no matter what happens. In fact, I think the damage would be more if he got let off with a good behaviour bond. Where is Justice Mordie Bromberg when you need him?

  8. Zatara

    Found guilty, fine. Off to prison to serve a pointless few months, lame but nothing to be done about it.

    Now show us the money he is paying back to those from whom he stole it.

  9. steve

    Now show us the money he is paying back to those from whom he stole it.

    He didn’t steal that much…..but what he did with it was magnificent!

  10. Fisky

    Mick Fisk
    ‏@mickfisk
    Hey @JuliaGillard do you still have “complete confidence” in Craig Thomson? Think he’s doing a “fine job” right now? #craigthomson @jc6543

  11. JC

    Good old Fatboy, hey. The fail rate is 100%.

  12. Splatacrobat

    Many business regulations probably exclude him from various enterprises.

    It didn’t seem to exclude Brian Burke. Maybe Bruce Wilson will have a dishie’s job in the restaurant ready for when Shagger gets out of stir.

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    hoping his Parliamentary benefits dry up as well.

    Can some action be taken regarding those benefits?

  14. Tintarella di Luna

    What about his false and misleading statement to the Parliament? Isn’t there to be any penalty for that? Pissants at the FWA dragged this out for so long as to bring it to the brink of being outside the statute of limitations. Paul Sheehan was right Union-Labor is the greatest criminal enterprise in the country.

    Who know where bodies are buried? All of them.

  15. Roger

    @ Zulu,
    Doubt it. But what parliament can do now is order Thomson to appear before them charged with misleading parliament in his “I did nothing wrong, it was that man Abbott! Abbott! Abbott!” speech and whack him with a hefty fine.

  16. Rabz

    Yikes – I’m in agreement with mUttley!

    :x

  17. Splatacrobat

    The Qld Parliament made Gordon Nuttall stand before the bar of Parliament and answer for his miss deeds. They fined him $82,000 for his contempt and ordered him to repay $454,000 deemed to be “proceeds of crime” to the state of Queensland and also ordered him to pay the Government’s legal costs of $42,000.

    With respect to Shagger I’m sure Brandis is working on all three avenues of redress as we speak M’Lud.

  18. History

    say Craig, you know you cant refuse to answer questions before a Royal Commission. Maybe its time to turn ‘states evidence’ and enter the ‘witness protection scheme’ before you end up holding up a building or a canary in a (abandoned) coal mine. just sayin, little mate

  19. Craig Mc

    Where does that leave her judgement?

    In the toilet where it’s always been.

  20. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #1193970, posted on February 18, 2014 at 2:52 pm
    hoping his Parliamentary benefits dry up as well.
    Can some action be taken regarding those benefits?

    Google search says not yet. Need to change law. If he had stayed in parliament maybe he would have lost benefits.

  21. Zatara

    “He didn’t steal that much…..but what he did with it was magnificent!”

    Really Steve? He hired hookers.

    I’ll let you in on a little secret, if you bring lots of money you are likely to get lucky.

  22. And Another Thing

    Maybe a community work order would be on the cards. Preferably at a hospital among the people he dudded.

  23. H B Bear

    Yikes – I’m in agreement with mUttley!

    Nope. Shagger is off to Stone College, the ALP wing of course.

  24. Splatacrobat

    Poor Zoe and the bub. I wonder if Channel Seven are still hovering outside the bathroom to get an exclusive. They seem to have the spouse of a criminal angle sown up these days.

  25. lem

    Bob Ellis still maintains Craig is innocent. He did not have sex with that that woman. And if he did, he should have asked Bob for the money, he would have given it to him.

    I kid you not.

  26. Grumbles

    stackja; if i remember correctly they were also trying to charge him regarding purchases relating to his election campaign? If this is so, could they eliminate his benefits as proceeds of crime? The AFP are there to make sure 7 don’t pay Corby, will they stop the Government from paying Thommo?

  27. Gab

    Hope Thomson’s wife (wives) have been to a doctor and got tested for STDs.

  28. Econocrat

    The HoR should imprison him for contempt for 6 months too.

  29. Aristogeiton

    lem
    #1194011, posted on February 18, 2014 at 3:12 pm
    Bob Ellis still maintains Craig is innocent. He did not have sex with that that woman. And if he did, he should have asked Bob for the money, he would have given it to him.

    I kid you not.

    So I see. Soon, Ellis will be paywalled. I may never get to hear more of his defamations:

    http://www.ellistabletalk.com/2014/02/18/certain-housekeeping-matters-81/

  30. Carpe Jugulum (don't call me sven) HenchCritter

    Well, at least shagger and plibersiks hubby will have something in common.

  31. Motelier

    Never let it be said that Labor could not organise a fvck in a brothel.

    Shagger is proof.

    hahahahahaa

  32. harrys on the boat

    I had tears, tears of bloody laughter, especially when I read the arse clowns prediction of no jail time.

  33. Leigh Lowe

    Never let it be said that Labor could not organise a fvck in a brothel.

    Not strictly true.
    The Criminal Shagger just paid for it.
    Bubbles and Cindy and Ting-Tong did all the organisin’

  34. Fisky

    Gillard –

    Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (15:27): I thank the member for the question. It gives me the opportunity to say I have complete confidence in the member for Dobell. I think he is doing a fine job representing the people of his constituency in this place and raising their concerns in this parliament, as is appropriate for a local member. I look forward to him continuing to do that job for a very long, long, long time to come.

    m0ntesque judgement there from Gillard.

  35. Leigh Lowe

    Is he going to appeal?

    … and, if so, who is going to pay for it?

  36. Splatacrobat

    I think he is doing a fine job representing the people of his constituency in this place and raising their concerns in this parliament, as is appropriate for a local member.

    The only member being raised here was not in the Dobell constituency but in a spa bath in Darlinghurst.

  37. Kingsley

    Will the HSU pay for his legal bills to appeal his conviction for defrauding the HSU?

    Hey it’s a serious question!

  38. steve

    Really Steve? He hired hookers.

    hey, hookers gotta eat:-)

  39. JC

    What a tough crowd… Shagger’s innocent!

  40. Pickles

    Patience little ones. All is well.

  41. Leigh Lowe

    I still maintain the tears of rage in Parliament were real, but not necessarily for the reasons stated by the Thieving Shagger (ie the Abbott and Bolarno conspiracies).
    In his left hand peripheral vision he could see a couple of rotund ALP figures who had partaken of the delights of Bubbles Red Spa Room on the HSU ticket and he was going to have to take the fall for all of them.
    Worse still, I’ll bet there were a couple of other co-shaggers who didn’t even turn up and show support for Craig in his hour of need.
    That dawning realisation that he was going to be cut loose at the end of that Parliamentary term and carry the can for the shag-a-thons must have cut him to the quick.

  42. What a relief.

    Now for the appeal – funded no doubt by Monty, Bob Ellis and Anthony Albanese.

  43. danno

    Back in the day, a good lawyer would have had girls in the courtroom to sniff and cry for our Craig, back when theatre was theatre.

  44. Fred Lenin

    The alp crims should all be in a “redemption through labour” Facility with the ir bikie and criminal illegal migrant mates ,NOT asylum seekers,Criminal Illegal Entrants,get rid of the Pc Bullshit!

  45. Fisky

    I still maintain the tears of rage in Parliament were real, but not necessarily for the reasons stated by the Thieving Shagger (ie the Abbott and Bolarno conspiracies).
    In his left hand peripheral vision he could see a couple of rotund ALP figures who had partaken of the delights of Bubbles Red Spa Room on the HSU ticket and he was going to have to take the fall for all of them.
    Worse still, I’ll bet there were a couple of other co-shaggers who didn’t even turn up and show support for Craig in his hour of need.
    That dawning realisation that he was going to be cut loose at the end of that Parliamentary term and carry the can for the shag-a-thons must have cut him to the quick.

    Exactly. But Thommo will never name names because the only people remaining who might be friends with him are on the Labor side such as Albanese, and it is only through them that he might land a PA/RO gig. He’ll have to keep quiet forever (unless he writes his memoirs thinking that’ll sort out retirement).

  46. incoherent rambler

    carry the can for the shag-a-thons must have cut him to the quick.

    May I presume “quick” is a typo?

  47. WhaleHunt Fun

    must have cut him to the quick.

    Bet it was quick.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    Remember the Slapper’s hopeless flailing about when she announced in April 2012 that Shagger was to be cut loose from the Pardy, and Slippery Pete would have an extended holiday from the Speaker’s Chair?
    I do hope the magistrate today said something like “a line in the dark cloud has been crossed” and then refuse to define exactly what the “line” or the “cloud” was.
    Maybe even to say “it’s just the vibe of the whole thing”
    That would have been noice.

  49. Leigh Lowe

    May I presume “quick” is a typo?

    Sometimes Freud drives the keyboard, it is true.
    :-)

  50. Docket62

    One down, 1,287 to go….

  51. Craig Mc

    Now for the appeal – funded no doubt by Monty, Bob Ellis and Anthony Albanese.

    Pro Bono representation from TLS? That should be good for hanging.

  52. Tintarella di Luna

    Pro Bono representation from TLS? That should be good for hanging.

    TLS would be appearing only as a friend because she handed in her practising certificate back in 1995

  53. Docket62

    Pro bono from TLS? More like pro boner.. He has form

  54. Infidel Tiger

    Probably the first time in history union funds have been used for a worthy purpose and this happens. Rotten luck, Shagger.

  55. lotocoti

    Pro Bono representation from TLS?

    Given her form, he’d probably end up with some sort of arcane biblical punishment unto the fourth generation which Vlad the Impaler would consider a tad barbaric.

  56. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Nope, this is all good. No downside.

    ALP scumbag, erm, dirtball, nope, verminous arsewipe, hmm, politician found guilty of stealing funds from poorest workers in health system.

    And the entire party supported him.

    And now there’s an RC coming.

    it can’t be stopped now.

    Can you even imagine the icy grues of absolute horror running up the spine of every single ALP/unionistagangsta today?

    That and the pucker factor will be so great today that it’s not until tomorrow they’ll even be able to shit themselves.

  57. gabrianga

    An interesting opinion on why Thomson might not have to pay back monies to the Parliament even as a convicted criminal.

  58. Lysander

    I think I can now see why Albo was so happy he didn’t win the spill post Rudd.

  59. gabrianga

    The “set up” as told to Laurie Oakes by Thomson.

    Thomson “denies” with hand on heart

    A tearjerker…..laughter not sorrow.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    I think I can now see why Albo was so happy he didn’t win the spill post Rudd.

    Albo’s not dumb.

    Unlike Shagger he’s strictly a cash n’ carry man.

  61. Robert O.

    Thomson has had his day in court, but where does this leave his former backer who had confidence in him?

  62. Andrew

    Shorten stating ad nauseam that “nobody is above the law” in relation to Craig Thompson instead of answering any questions.

  63. Infidel Tiger

    Shorten stating ad nauseam that “nobody is above the law” in relation to Craig Thompson instead of answering any questions.

    “nobody is above the law” – Something to keep in mind when the senior ALP figure accused of rape is revealed.

  64. Docket62

    “nobody is above the law” – Something to keep in mind when the senior ALP figure accused of rape is revealed.

    infidel, me thinks he doth protest too much

  65. incoherent rambler

    So when do the CT jokes start? There is a bounty of material.

  66. Fisky

    Shorten shows again why he has no hope at all of winning 2016. Why the defensive act when a unionist is convicted of fraud? He should be celebrating the demise of union corruption, not flailing.

  67. JC

    Shaggers fucked. Fatboy just tweeted he won’t get jail time.

  68. Jim Rose

    the silly bugger should have plead guilty ealry on in the hope of a reduced sentence. the discount for an early plea is 10-25% on the prison term

  69. A Lurker

    Something to keep in mind when the senior ALP figure accused of rape is revealed.

    There hasn’t been a word breathed about this by the media since the original story came out. Is there an actual police investigation happening, or is it something that is going to vanish into a convenient black hole and not even escape as the merest hint of wrongdoing by the SLF- ie as a form of ‘Hawking radiation’.

    I don’t want specifics, but rather a ‘yes or no’ answer to a police investigation.

  70. Myrddin Seren

    I agree with Leigh Lowe at 3:58.

    Some of those really big bills would have been for his unofficial ‘Preselection Committee” – the ALP heavies who really agreed to parachute him in to the seat, local branches be damned.

    If Shagger ever reveals whoever else was in on the pool parties – it will be more than just shovels coming over his back fence.

    A well-conducted Royal Commission could give the ‘Underbelly’ producers enough material to keep the series running for another decade.

  71. jumpnmcar

    Didn’t his legal fees for an unsuccessful law suit get payed for by unions ?
    He needs to pay those workers back too, with interest.

  72. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Judith Sloan:

    “a memo from May 7, 2005, in which Mr Thomson claimed $770 spent on escort services as a “dinner function” in Sydney was a clear example of dishonesty”

    HSU membership costs $603.20, or $11.60 per week.

    Some poor young schmuck with minimal education and no other job prospects, lifting and carrying each day in the basement loading dock; and a dinner trolley lady scurrying about the wards above, 52 years old, Asian, well knowing she could not survive without her $650 per week gross and keenly aware unemployment could happen at the whim of a public service bully boy manager any day – these people shell out a big slice of their wages out of fear or blind faith.

    That money goes to a union which outright lies about “protect your job and to receive industrial support when you need it.”

    It’s most senior people blithely spend a single membership subscription on a feed and a stray root in a just one night, are astounded when challenged and cry like babies when they’re found out. Big tough union men, eh?

    Their defence is fully funded, they get to keep their house and car and wide screen TV, the super from that job and the even more fabulous super from the next one, prancing about as someone important in Parliament. This goon will get two days suspended sentence (borrowed from the Open Forum) and his smooth round chubby boy ever-so-punchable-face on television smirking like the two bob lair he is.

    Who would have thought Labor, a Labor union, could craft such wretched class distinction so perfectly well?

  73. H B Bear

    Shorten shows again why he has no hope at all of winning 2016. Why the defensive act when a unionist is convicted of fraud?

    Tits knows what is coming up the slope – personally, professionally as an AWU stooge lawyer and for the union-ALP racket as a whole.

    I’m surprised he can even get out of bed in the morning.

  74. Beef

    I don’t want specifics, but rather a ‘yes or no’ answer to a police investigation.

    A football player in similar circumstances would be in hiding and under club suspension. Best ask a sports journo to follow up perhaps.

  75. Andrew

    I’m told by meeja contacts that everyone knows the situation behind the SLFs rape allegation and that events are coming.

  76. Baldrick

    The thing is, Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd and the Labor Party, still used Thomson to pass legislation through the lower house, even when he was sitting as an ‘independent’.
    Labor has questions to answer.

  77. Bob

    Those criticising Gillard for her judgement of Thomson are wrong. Her judgement was first class. She judged that if she supported him, he would support her.

  78. C.L.

    Yes.

    Government demands Thomson apologises to Parliament …

    Also:

    Independent MP Andrew Wilkie agreed it appeared Thomson had misled Parliament, and said he would support any effort by the government to have him brought to Canberra to explain himself.

    “I would likely support any sanctions that the Parliament might have within its power to bring against him,” he said.

    Senator Abetz also wants Opposition Leader Bill Shorten to apologise on behalf of Labor for “promoting and protecting” Thomson over the years.

  79. C.L.

    … have him brought to Canberra to explain himself.

    “I would likely support any sanctions that the Parliament might have within its power to bring against him,” he said.

    Wilkie evidently wants to use the Bar of Parliament, first raised as a possibility here at the Cat months ago.

  80. Makka

    I see Faux-facts are not allowing comments to their Thomson stories. Oh how this want this to just blow away.

  81. johanna

    An apology from Thommo is worthless and meaningless.

    Why are they not using the sanctions available to throw him in jail for deliberately misleading Parliament?

  82. JC

    Why are they not using the sanctions available to throw him in jail for deliberately misleading Parliament?

    Sure thing. The level of lying and bullshit in the Earwax, Slappers eras were shocking. Cut the fuckers balls off for his lies.

  83. JC

    Now lets back to real business. I wonder what’s going on about that pesky rape accusation against the senior Liar Party figure.

    Liars party need clear air.

  84. nerblnob

    $770? Cripes! Did she do the cooking and ironing as well?

  85. Why are they not using the sanctions available to throw him in jail for deliberately misleading Parliament?

    If you read the whole ghastly speech, you will see that it was worded very carefully. He may not in fact have actually ‘misled’ Parliament per se. He spent some of his time trying to get Kathy Jackson into strife, and much of it talking about his union career as well. But as for actual cast iron lies – well, go and have a look and see what you think.

  86. Beef

    Liars party need clear air.

    Yes, to get their message across that the message is not what the message seems. It’s a different message from the message we are all taking as to be the message.

  87. $770? Cripes! Did she do the cooking and ironing as well?

    I think that was the one he paid extra to stay behind and talk to him for a bit, the poor pathetic sod.

  88. JC

    Phillippa

    The lunatic blasted Abbott for going after him. The douchebag was certainly inferring his innocence. In any event do with the Americans do. Force the bastard to explain himself to Parliament which will ensure he’ll spend a fortune on lawyers fees.

  89. Zatara

    “Mr Thomson owes an apology to the thousands of honest union members he defrauded, in addition to the parliament and public, whom he also misled,” Senator Abetz said in a statement.”

    Yah, right. Stuff your apology and cough up the cash. How many times does this have to happen before the Courts start addressing the only thing that is going to get the attention of these leaches who never spent a day on the shop floor unless there was a barbecue going on? Screw the apology, screw the jail term, show me the money. All of it plus a fine that leaves the bastard legless.

    In my opinion. there are few crimes more heinous than abuse of power/position. It is an absolute violation of society’s trust and must be punished ruthlessly. As Voltaire suggested “it is good to kill an Admiral from time to time, in order to encourage the others.”

  90. Force the bastard to explain himself to Parliament which will ensure he’ll spend a fortune on lawyers fees.

    I would like to see that. I really would.

    But I’d also like to see TLS apologise to Parliament as well for the misogyny speech, and Slipper to apologise for being such a lowlife and bringing the role into disrepute, and Shorten for ogling Kate Ellis’ legs while sitting on the front bench.

  91. Di

    In my opinion. there are few crimes more heinous than abuse of power/position. It is an absolute violation of society’s trust and must be punished ruthlessly

    Quite so.

  92. Leigh Lowe

    The thing is, Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd and the Labor Party, still used Thomson to pass legislation through the lower house, even when he was sitting as an ‘independent’.
    Labor has questions to answer.

    The Slapper and her cohorts deflected all criticism with “innocent until proven guilty” and “inappropriate to comment while the matter is before the courts”.
    Well he is now guilty and the matter is no longer before the courts.
    Comments please?
    Cat got your tongue …. or will Anne Summers grill you over it at your next girl’s night out love-in?

  93. pete m

    CT statement to Parliament included:

    Since these allegations were first raised I have consistently and on many occasions made it clear that I have done nothing wrong.

    Are cash withdrawals going to get you a prize from the accounting college as being your best way of dealing with these issues? Probably not. But the issues with cash withdrawals were that it was the mode of spending not the accountability, not what it was spent on, not the receipts that were there—none of those issues are borne out by any of the evidence. The evidence, if someone were looking at the evidence and clearly Fair Work were not, was that they were accounted for. They were in the union’s records and they were appropriately receipted.

    Turning to credit cards and escorts, I have consistently from day one denied any wrongdoing in relation to these issues.

    but first some background.

    When a Court finds you guilty of a criminal offence, it emans you were guilty from the date of offending, and knew yourself to have offended.

    Therefore, whether Shagger believes it or admits it to himself or not, he knew he was guilty of a crime when he used his union card to pay for escorts, and for withdrawing cash to pay for escorts.

    So these statements to Parliament, by someone with the knowledge they did commit crimes, is contrary to that state of knowledge, and misleading the House.

    I consider that actionable and for it he should be heavily fined.

    leave jail time to the Courts.

  94. johanna

    While the weasel words might work in a court, Parliament is not a court. The intention was quite clear – to mislead the Parliament.

    If parliamentary democracy is to mean anything at all, those who deliberately mislead the Parliament (especially to cover up criminality) should be harshly punished. It is the only thing that stands between us and being a banana republic.

    My guess is that that he will appeal, to forestall such action. But you have to wonder where the money for that will come from, if it happens.

  95. egg_

    Headline: Thommo rooted…

  96. Zatara

    “Screw the apology, screw the jail term, show me the money. All of it plus a fine that leaves the bastard legless.”

    Oh, and be forced to work the most poorly paid job the Union represents until all the money is paid back, including the cash the Union coughed up for your defense (The membership were consulted on that right?) .

    Good luck finding a seat in the lunchroom and try not to drop the soap too often.

  97. John Comnenus

    Julia Gillard next? Perhaps Abbott will need to re role a rapidly emptying illegal immigrant detention centre into a jail for all the Unionists and ALP scum that get charged as a result of the Royal Commission. I wonder if Nauru is an option?

  98. Menai Pete

    Not a chance. I’m betting a suspended sentence.

    After years of endless appeals.

  99. Squirrel

    This case is bad, and in some respects sad, but it’s ultimately a sleazy sideshow compared to the broader issues involving questionable union behaviour which impacts on the efficiency of the economy.

  100. harrys on the boat

    The sentence isn’t that important to me. What is important is that Shagger has been destroyed, the Labor/Union movement have been humiliated and his antics have enabled Abbott to go after the unions with a Royal Commission.

  101. kae

    No tears for Thommo?

    I’m sure he’s having a weep.

  102. johanna

    Yup, harry, even if this creep never does a day in jail (which is quite likely) the fact is that even he didn’t deny that he used members’ contributions to pay for prostitutes and other personal expenses.

    The point has been made, and if he keeps appealing, it will be made over and over again.

  103. cuckoo

    The Thomson verdict, surely the headline story of the day, was buried well into the middle of the 7pm ABC tv news bulletin. And undue emphasis was given to the few piddling minor charges which were thrown out, no doubt to provide that famous ABC ‘balance’. Nobody from the government was interviewed or quoted, but of course they had Jar-Jar Shorten up there.

  104. Shelley

    Great comments re Thomson, some are just laugh out loud. Thanks Cats.

    O/T – but how did the illegals on Manus get ‘knives and machetes’? WTH? This may be being discussed on another thread, so apologies if this is the case.

  105. Leigh Lowe

    Yup, harry, even if this creep never does a day in jail (which is quite likely) the fact is that even he didn’t deny that he used members’ contributions to pay for prostitutes and other personal expenses.

    Two good things about this:-
    (1) he was found guilty on most charges; and
    (2) he was found not guilty on a few charges.
    Why are the not guilty verdicts good news?
    Well, the spending on porno movies and some travel for one of his string of wives was thrown out.
    Forgetting any moralistic stance about porno movies, most of the general public would clearly view these expenses as not related to business.
    This opens the door for Abbott to be able to say that unions need a statutory and very tight code of conduct which outlines modes and types of expenditures which cannot be charged to the union.
    Had he been found guilty on all counts, Pieman would have been spruiking that the criminal law works …. and comes down heavy on the few bad apples.

  106. feelthebern

    Agree Leigh.
    Gives more ammo to Tony “it’s not illegal to watch pornos on your members dime….?”
    Plays well when taking on unions.

  107. Richard Inglis

    They aren’t interested in whether Thommo can name names now. That horse has well and truly bolted. While Thommo was awaiting judgment Williamson has been singing like a canary. Well his rolodex is much meatier than Thommo’s.

    Also, based on the present Mags Court matters, there is no way to deprive Thommo of whatever parliamentary benefits accrue to him as a defeated member. The matters in the Mags Court concern conduct unconnected in substance or time to his period as a member of parliament. Misuse of funds for his re-election campaign might present an opportunity to strip him of entitlements but he hasn’t been charged with that (yet!). Gordon Nuttall in Queensland was done for offences committed as a Minister of the Crown so he was ripe for anything the parliament chose to inflict on him. By contrast, back in 1993, Keith Wright (the then ALP state leader in Queensland) got done for raping a 12 year old and did 5 years in pokey. He is getting his full indexed parliamentary pension to this day because the offences happened a decade before he entered parliament.

  108. Tel

    “Now Craig, I’m giving you a union credit card, and it’s a great responsibility. This money is only for the benefit of our members, do you understand what I’m getting at?”

    “Hmmm, I think I do.”

    “You make sure the member’s contribution goes in the right place.”

    “That I will.”

  109. Infidel Tiger

    Keith Wright (the then ALP state leader in Queensland) got done for raping a 12 year old and did 5 years in pokey. He is getting his full indexed parliamentary pension to this day because the offences happened a decade before he entered parliament.

    My God.

    If every ALP member found guilty of rape had their pension taken away we’d balance the budget in no time.

  110. Tel

    Also, based on the present Mags Court matters, there is no way to deprive Thommo of whatever parliamentary benefits accrue to him as a defeated member. The matters in the Mags Court concern conduct unconnected in substance or time to his period as a member of parliament.

    I could be wrong, but I believe that is a matter for Parliament itself to decide… not a matter for the court.

  111. Ant

    So Craigie Boy was thinking with his pecker again?

    How very Labor of him.

  112. gabrianga

    Wonder who his could be?

    “SEVEN’S commercial director Bruce McWilliam says a senior Abbott government minister regretted the raid at his network this morning over a Schapelle Corby deal.”

    Perhaps an opportunity to re-shuffle…..right out the door?

  113. egg_

    The Thomson verdict, surely the headline story of the day, was buried well into the middle of the 7pm ABC tv news bulletin. And undue emphasis was given to the few piddling minor charges which were thrown out, no doubt to provide that famous ABC ‘balance’. Nobody from the government was interviewed or quoted, but of course they had Jar-Jar Shorten up there.

    Hopefully, Credlin/minders were taking note.

  114. Richard Inglis

    actually, apologies, forgot that Keith Wright had left State Parliament and was a member of Federal Parliament at the time he was charged in 1993 (but he is still getting his full entitlements from both the state and federal parliaments)

  115. Empire Strikes Back

    Patience little ones

    Indeed. The task at hand will take years, not days or months, to complete.

  116. Richard Inglis

    I could be wrong, but I believe that is a matter for Parliament itself to decide… not a matter for the court.

    The power of the parliament to strip a former member of entitlements is seriously circumscribed for the obvious reason that every change of government could result in the new majority simply using their numbers to strip former members on the opposing side of their entitlements (and giving the moral calibre of many recent members I wouldn’t put it past them to try that on if they could have gotten away with it). I think Thommo is safe as there will probably be bigger fish to fry (eg would a conviction for facilitating a fraud in 1993 give rise to conduct sufficient to strip someone of ex-Prime Ministerial entitlements, I wonder?)

  117. johanna

    Well, it would simply take a motion in Parliament to deprive Thommo of his pension entitlements.

    What the Parliament endows, it can take away.

    Whether they have the ‘nads to do it is another question. And the notion that Wright is still getting a pension makes me throw up in my mouth. Disgusting. But if there is one thing politicians are solid about, it is their entitlements. All of them are afraid that they might be next.

  118. Cold-Hands

    The guilty verdict proves that Shagger misled the House while a member of the House. If found in Contempt of Parliament, wouldn’t this be proven misconduct sufficient to strip him of his pension and re-location benefits? The thought that he might continue to profit from lying to the House and keeping a corrupt regime in power makes my blood boil.

    PS. Am waiting for the Australian Women’s Weekly interview with his (third) wife now that he’s been shown to be a liar who cheats.

  119. Fisky

    Here is Bill Shorten on Craig Thomson –

    Neil Mitchell:

    You’ve run a union, you understand these things, do you support him?

    Bill Shorten:

    Oh, yeah, I believe him.

    Neil Mitchell:

    You believe him [Thomson], no case to answer?

    Bill Shorten:

    I believe him;

    And here is Craig Thomson having a chummy beer with Anthony Albanese just before the election.

    The Liberals now have an opportunity to cut an advert that will sink TWO Labor leaders at once!

    GO!!!

  120. Fisky

    The Libs could have Tanya Plibersek leading the ALP by next Friday if they just get that ad out now! Please, please, please make it happen!!

  121. Biota

    You can see why Shorten says that any charges of Union criminal activity should be taken up with the police rather than a Royal Commission. This Thommo thing has strung out for years allowing the real power players to keep up their various scams.

  122. Fisky

    It’s so obvious what Shorten is playing at. What a pathetic loser. His goose is cooked!

  123. Leigh Lowe

    And the NSW cops waved the white flag on Shagger in 2011, saying there wasn’t enough evidence.
    Given that he has now been convicted on a shit-load of charges and knowing what is coming out of ICAC, was NSW Plod leaned on?

  124. Zatara

    Immunity from criminal prosecution is not a privilege offered by the Westminster system.

    The fact that Thomson was provided that immunity de facto by his political party in order to preserve his vote is more than just wrong, it is a basic indictment of the entire system.

    Perhaps, as in the imperial Obama, this may serve as an example of what happens when politicians forget that the seats they temporarily occupy are vastly more important than some of the maggots that occasionally infest them.

  125. Splatacrobat

    Wilkie evidently wants to use the Bar of Parliament, first raised as a possibility here at the Cat months ago.

    Like Gordon Nuttall

    Also never let it be forgotten that Beattie changed the law allowing Labor grubs like Nuttall to lie before Parliamentary committees. Just like it should never be forgotten Gillard relied on a liar.

  126. Ripper

    Surely he has to be made an example of and the book thrown at him.

  127. Splatacrobat

    CT

    The evidence, if someone were looking at the evidence and clearly Fair Work were not, was that they were accounted for. They were in the union’s records and they were appropriately receipted.

    The Nazis were good on bookkeeping too. That didn’t make the accounting details of the bales of human hair, kg’s of gold teeth or pounds of fat to make soap any less heinous.

  128. Mr McGoo

    Judith,
    This is off point but I expect Alcoa will be the subject of a thread tomorrow.
    Alcoa owns a brown coal fired electricity power station at Anglesea Victoria, located on a Crown land lease that it renewed for a further 50 year term in 2011. The whole of the electricity output from the power station supplies only 41% or so of the power required by its Point Henry smelter in Geelong. The rest of its electricity requirements for Point Henry are bought on the National Electricity Market.
    In November 2013 it applied to the Essential Services Commission for a licence to allow the whole of its Anglesea electricity output to be supplied to the National Electricity Market, for sale to anyone.
    http://www.esc.vic.gov.au/Energy/Notice-Of-Application-For-An-Electricity-Generatio/APS-Generation-Licence-Applications
    The only plausible reason for doing that is because it intended to close its Point Henry operations.
    Why did it wait until today to announce its intentions?

  129. johanna

    Leigh, the NSW Plod has been leaned on since Day 1. When Frank Walker was AG, charges just disappeared, were mislaid, or if they got to court there was “no evidence.”

    NSW holds the honour of the first jurisdiction where the Chief Stipendiary Magistrate was sent to jail for corruption.

    Apart from the Commercial jurisdiction, where the admirable Andrew Rogers cleaned things up a treat, the NSW judiciary is a cesspit.

    And while I don’t think that J J Spigelman, former boss of the NSW judiciary and now in charge of the ABC, ever took a penny (it would be like slipping Robespierre a five pound note*) – it all happened while he was in charge.

    *C P Snow, re Sir Hector, the bureaucrat par excellence.

  130. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Shagger gawn.

    Gillard next.

    Then the Senior Labor Figure.

    The whole Labor Party stinks. The whole union movement is rancid.

    Let them sow what they have reaped.

  131. feelthebern

    That’s a great get, Mr McGoo.

  132. Andrew

    Poor Mrs Thomson (Mk III). If only there had been some way for her to have anticipated that he’s likely to cheat on her.

  133. Beertruk

    Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #1194193, posted on February 18, 2014 at 5:46 pm

    Who would have thought Labor, a Labor union, could craft such wretched class distinction so perfectly well?

    Animal Farm by George Orwell springs to mind.

  134. nerblnob

    I think that was the one he paid extra to stay behind and talk to him for a bit, the poor pathetic sod.

    Probably cheaper than a lawyer, when you look at it that way. And the advice might have been better.

  135. 2dogs

    The HSU plans to sue to recover their losses. Can they garnishee his parliamentary pension?

  136. Makka

    “probably be bigger fish to fry (eg would a conviction for facilitating a fraud in 1993 give rise to conduct sufficient to strip someone of ex-Prime Ministerial entitlements, I wonder?)”

    Maybe not. But, if it can be proved that in trying to avoid that conviction, the Ex PM orchestrated a cover up while in office then yes, the outrage would be sufficient I think to seriously explore that option by the LNP.

  137. Tel

    And the NSW cops waved the white flag on Shagger in 2011, saying there wasn’t enough evidence.

    The NSW cops and their 38 hollow points are far from being saints… but the above is just unfair.

    The official NSW position was that no business in NSW was defrauded, all the card transactions were legal and although there was plenty of evidence of Thommo going to brothels, it happens to be OK in NSW to do that. What the cops did was gather all the information at hand and toss it over to the Victorians, because that’s where the HSU is registered. It was fundamentally a Victorian matter. The NSW cops did the right thing.

  138. Leigh Lowe

    NSW holds the honour of the first jurisdiction where the Chief Stipendiary Magistrate was sent to jail for corruption.

    You should address him by his correct title of “My Little Mate”, Johanna.
    It is only out of respect for Lionel that I won’t disclose whose little mate he was exactly.
    His name was Farquhar I believe (pronounced Fuh-Kah)

  139. Leigh Lowe

    What the cops did was gather all the information at hand and toss it over to the Victorians, because that’s where the HSU is registered. It was fundamentally a Victorian matter. The NSW cops did the right thing.

    The jurisdiction question of the registered office of the HSU is a monster red herring.
    If I steal from a Coles store in Queensland and the Coles entity involved is registered in Victoria I am still charged under Queensland law.
    Another soft-cock excuse for the NSW Plod averting their eyes.

  140. Pickles

    I thought Morgan Ryan was “my little mate”? But it was long ago. Don’t forget Rex “buckets” Jackson prisons minister, who was letting crims out of gaol at the time. I think he got binned too. Mick of the GC is the go to man for that era.

    We need a list of Labor grubs who have been convicted since say 1970. Like the bad things caused by global warming list.

  141. egg_

    The HSU plans to sue to recover their losses.

    Wunderbar.

  142. Leigh Lowe

    I defer to your memory Pickles.
    Lionel was referring to Morgan Ryan, who I think they were trying to get in front of Murray Fuh-Kah, knowing Muzza could be relied upon to let Ryan off.
    All allegations of course.

  143. Tel

    If I steal from a Coles store in Queensland and the Coles entity involved is registered in Victoria I am still charged under Queensland law.

    That depends on how you go about stealing. If you pick up an item inside the Queensland store and walk out with it then the theft happened in Queensland. If you wire fraud the store from halfway around the world the jurisdiction is highly open to speculation.

    At any rate, no vendor was ever defrauded by Craig Thompson, so stealing form a store is irrelevant. The fraud offence came out of a breach of trust, which centred on what rules the union officers had agreed top operate under. NSW courts have no jurisdiction to draw judgement on how business should be conducted in Victoria.

  144. Habib

    As an atheist, there’s a certain New Testament righteousness about this. When Shagger joins his burly Ilsander cellmate, he will get his reward. One who has given so freely, will recieve.

    M’toui will, I hope, ask that Thommo at least brought some Brylcreem.

  145. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think he got binned too

    He did. Caused much uncouth sniggering when he got binned, because, as Minister for Prisons, he spent a lot of time quashing stories that New South Wales gaols were holiday camps………the joke was that he didn’t have to go to such lengths to make his point……

  146. Gab

    M’toui will, I hope, ask that Thommo at least brought some Brylcreem.

    M’toui? What happened to Bubba? Was he released?

  147. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thommo at least brought some Brylcreem

    or learns to eat his toast without butter……

  148. Mike of Marion

    Oh, Oh!!! you are all so CRUEL!!!!!!!!

  149. I think that was the one he paid extra to stay behind and talk to him for a bit, the poor pathetic sod.

    Probably cheaper than a lawyer, when you look at it that way. And the advice might have been better.

    A lot cheaper, plus the question of who is being screwed is neatly reversed.

  150. Pickles

    M’toui will walk into their cell on the first night with his kidney wiper in one hand and a shiv in the other. Determined to get blood on one of them.

  151. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Pickles at 10:32 pm:

    “I thought Morgan Ryan was “my little mate”? But it was long ago. Don’t forget Rex “buckets” Jackson prisons minister, who was letting crims out of gaol at the time. I think he got binned too. Mick of the GC is the go to man for that era.”

    Rex Jackson was a classic Labor shop floor dill who floated to the top and, whilst momentarily distracted (there can be no other logical explanation) Neville Wran accidentally put him in charge of gaols.

    That was about as clever as Comrade Premier Robert E Lee Carr appointing Comrade Junior Don Joe Tripod to manage land development (by mates) and surplus land sales (to mates) around the Sydney Harbour foreshore; or asking Comrade Don Eddie Obeid if he had any idea just how much money one could make trading coal mining leases.

    Well, Rex liked the punt didn’t he? He owed his bookie a small amount, couldn’t pay and found the difference by taking backhanders for letting a few prisoners wander off before they were due.

    The dishonest old bastard only served three years (of about ten or twelve) in a Southern Highlands country club environment adjacent to his electorate. He ended up flogging ice creams from a van up at Stanwell Tops and then he carked it, another of Labor’s brightest and best.

    With the discussion above it occurs to me that he would have lost 30 years of retirement benefits because he offended whilst in office.

  152. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    @ Mick of the Gold Coast – Who was the Commissioner of Police who got sacked at the same time? If they had sacked him as Commissioner, he would have been into the system for all the retirement payout, so he was officially demoted to a rank so far down the food chain as not to be on the scope, and THEN sacked…..
    Senior Constable rings a bell?

  153. Squirrel

    “cuckoo

    #1194289, posted on February 18, 2014 at 7:30 pm

    The Thomson verdict, surely the headline story of the day, was buried well into the middle of the 7pm ABC tv news bulletin. And undue emphasis was given to the few piddling minor charges which were thrown out, no doubt to provide that famous ABC ‘balance’. Nobody from the government was interviewed or quoted, but of course they had Jar-Jar Shorten up there.”

    Likewise with Lateline – quelle surprise!

  154. gabrianga

    “Craig’s List” late entry for “Worst Movie” in this year’s “Golden Raspberry” awards link

  155. MT Isa Miner

    The cat covers the field. Shit mental image but you know what I mean.

    I want to see more of his lying crying dial when he is potted and bankrupted and if only , stripped of his pension. I want to see it ON TV. I want a POSTER.

  156. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Andrew:

    Poor Mrs Thomson (Mk III). If only there had been some way for her to have anticipated that he’s likely to cheat on her.

    Gold!

  157. rugbyskier

    When Shagger joins his burly Ilsander cellmate, he will get his reward. One who has given so freely, will recieve.

    M’toui will, I hope, ask that Thommo at least brought some Brylcreem.

    If M’toui has a sense of humour he will start calling Thommo ‘Misty’.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    So, Tel, if the jurisdictional issues around Thomson were so clear cut, how come NSW Plod spent more than 18 months “investigating” him.
    If it was so cut and dried that should have taken a two day desktop review.
    Nup, they were either running dead or running interference … or both.

  159. Richard Inglis

    While it’s fun to speculate on whether Thommo will get a slap on the wrist from the Magistrate and it does seem parliament can deal with him for privileges breaches (and if proven I think they can fine him up to a certain amount and possibly even add an additional jail term in extreme cases but still can’t take his super/pension away from him) there is something else. For me the truly significant outcome of Thommo’s demise is more academic. I have always, in my heart, felt that the Government was ILLEGITIMATE after the 2010 election, and that view is now completely born out. Had Thommo faced proper due process (and not the corrupt stalling and backsliding and bottom drawering that infected what was obviously an otherwise straightforward allegation and prosecution of dishonesty) then he would have been gone before the 2010 election and the ALP would have handsomely lost his seat (as it eventually did in 2012) and Gillard – even with the assistance of those ratbag independents (I’ve forgotten their names already) – would never have formed government and the 3 year travesty that followed would have been averted. It tells me that the electorate, as I always believed, got the verdict correct in 2010 but was thwarted by supervening corruption and dishonesty from the highest levels down. Thommo’s conviction has actually restored my faith in the electoral process (and lowered my blood pressure!) and I am now quietly confident that those who have conspired for years to debase public life and pervert the rule of law will now be dragged kicking and screaming into the light to face the consequences.

  160. johanna

    If he can scrape together the funds, Thommo will appeal. That would be great.

    For years ahead, the public will be reminded of what a sleaze he is, and how his protectors in the unions and the ALP looked after him.

  161. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Zulu Kilo Two Alpha at 11:50 pm:

    “@ Mick of the Gold Coast – Who was the Commissioner of Police who got sacked at the same time? If they had sacked him as Commissioner, he would have been into the system for all the retirement payout, so he was officially demoted to a rank so far down the food chain as not to be on the scope, and THEN sacked…..
    Senior Constable rings a bell?”

    Oooh – you’ve got me on that, I’ll have to think on it.

    There have been some absolute pearlers in my time, every one of them a contender for Francis Ford Coppola’s casting people to consider. I have a somewhat pragmatic view of how they should operate – they must deal daily with life’s detritus and one cannot do that effectively using fine convention and loveliness and aloofness towards naughty people. It would be the worst job in government now and studiously avoided by anyone with talent for police leadership.

    Norman Allan set the standard during his long reign, doing a pretty good Three Wise Monkeys impersonation, with one hand out for his cut. He annointed, and got, Fred Hansen as his successor who annointed, and got, his in Merv Wood. Thus Norm Allan’s template, which did deliver effective control, endured near thirty years.

    Jim Lees feared God and spent just two ineffective years isolated at the top because of that. Then it was Cec Abbott, who I barely remember, and John Avery.

    He spent 7 or 8 years putting them all in skirts and repeating after him “Do you mind, Sir, if we arrest you? My name, rank and number is on this little card for your lawyer and the Police Brutality Commission’s address is on the back.”

    By the time Tony Lauer, the last of a long tradition of Masonic Lodge rulers, got there ministerial fools like Pickering, West and independent Hatton had so emasculated the joint he near collapsed from tenosynovitis from filling out forms and reports for 5 years straight. For this reason he didn’t know crime and corruption existed until the Wood Royal Commission said it surely did and that was the end of him.

    The legal profession and their camp followers in the media had finally triumphed, so discrediting the coppers that every time they appeared to give evidence the magistrates would giggle and pronounce, in the Bill Lawry manner, “Garn, pith off you’re out! Not guilty, costs awarded against the coppers.”

    A couple of my police prosecutor mates left the Force at that time to take silk and get rich, successfully defending former clients of the Service.

    The Commissioner for Bob Carr and Smooth Talking Photo Opportunities flew in from England to run the joint completely into the ground. The only good Ryan did was to sell Chubster Nixon to the Victorians. I don’t think anyone would bring him to heel for pocketing the proceeds of that enlightened transaction.

    He flew out 5 or 6 years later, well pleased with his handsomely paid efforts, leaving behind something akin to a best practice dysfunctional Department of Child Care Centres Administration and Compliance.

  162. johanna

    Mick, my understanding is that the Catholics and the Masons alternated for the position of Police Commissioner in those days. It was part of the deal for ensuring that no-one broke ranks.

    I may be wrong, but that is certainly what I was told as a young gel in the ALP in the 1970s.

  163. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From johanna at 11:51 am:

    “Mick, my understanding is that the Catholics and the Masons alternated … I was told as a young gel in the ALP in the 1970s.”

    So far as I was aware most were Masons or indebted to them. Hanson was a Catholic and Lees was a Methodist or something similar, as I remember.

    Just before your time as I was leaving school I wondered about the coppers, because several mates had left at 4th Form to join as police cadets. I decided against ‘cos I couldn’t attend football training twice a week, which steered everything back then!

    I was also told the management ranks were primarily Masons and with my very Irish full name I’d have to work somewhat harder. I didn’t understand because I didn’t even know about the Masons then.

    I went on to take a professional cadetship in a Federal department run by – wholly run by – 90% Irish Catholic returned servicemen who owned and operated Legacy (which paid for my education) in joint venture with several similar fellows in the Commonwealth Bank head office in Martin Place.

    Well, I was welcomed as a member of the family, talk about fall on your feet! Lucky me was fast tracked for the next 5 years for my sins! :)

  164. johanna

    Department of Supply, Mick?

    Back in those days, Commonwealth departments were also split between Catholics and Masons. Health, for example, was a Masonic stronghold. Supply was strictly Catholic if you wanted a decent career.

    It all seems a bit unreal nowadays, but sectarianism was still very strong until the late 70s.

  165. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From johanna at 12:10 pm:

    “Mick, looks like business as usual in NSW:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-19/liberals-to-suspend-hartcher-over-icac-inquiry/5268592

    You just don’t know johanna, eh? I did business with him just prior to winning Gosford in the late ’80s and he was as committed and sincere a man as you’d encounter. Things change.

    I encountered Phillip Ruddock when I was on the job in my early 20s, assessing structural works in his new Parramatta electoral office, and I was apprehensive because he was famous … “I’m a solicitor – tell me what you do, it looks interesting” he said.

    I’ve never heard a harsh word about him or a question about his integrity. I’ve come across him probably four times since, in school representative roles and socially and he hasn’t changed – the most important person in his conversation is you. Howard is the same.

  166. johanna

    Oh, forgot to add – NSW Health was also run by the Masons until they died out. I had a vacation job as a clerk at RPA in 1976, and my boss wore his Masonic ring with pride.

  167. Des Deskperson

    On the other hand, Foreign Affairs (as it was then) was reputedly run by the ‘Gay Caucus’.

  168. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Des Deskperson at 12:41 pm:

    “On the other hand, Foreign Affairs (as it was then) was reputedly run by the ‘Gay Caucus’.”

    Preceded, I believe, by the fiddlers of the young – a bit like the SA bench and the associated profession, which has been carefully and perfectly well protected since I first learned of it from copper mates over there in 1970.

  169. Des Deskperson

    Mick, you might find this interesting:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2004/s1086628.htm

    DFAT reportedly went after whistleblower Gaisford with extraordinary vindictiveness, so much so that, IIRC, they were unable in the end to sack him – as they wanted to – because he had been denied due process.

  170. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Des Deskperson at 1:27 pm:

    “Mick, you might find this interesting:”

    Plain awful isn’t it Des Deskperson? The only action one can reasonably anticipate from the Federal authorities is inaction. To me it screams out loud of being a cultural norm in that Department and just too entrenched at all levels to eliminate.

    They’ve written a “code of conduct” said the Minister, which scared the naughty men away. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

    I recall those reports, being an ever inquisitive reader, and my questions to a good mate (a willie oof) who runs a business here on the Coast and there with a hideously wealthy Phuket family (who created it as a career for their highly educated stunning daughter, and who value him as a safe haven for her – coincidentally she was cooking up an Asian feast here with Mrs Mick when the Boxing Day tsunami hit).

    He confirmed the local knowledge and repeated how he despises the perpetrators for creating the assumption that his lot are just the same.

  171. Des Deskperson

    Broinowski, who doesn’t come out of this with much credit, is the brother of Helen Caldicott . He now a sanctimonious leftist and the ABC’s go-to man whenever they want to attack the nuclear power industry, although so far as I am aware he has no qualifications whatever in nuclear science.

  172. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Little wonder that he clings fiercely to “Broinowski”!

  173. johanna

    Look, there have always been lots of pooves in the foreign service. Look at Le Carre’s de Lisle as the archetype. It works for them, because the constantly changing locations are not very family-friendly. It applies across countries, not just here.

    That doesn’t mean that most of them didn’t do a good job. However, in the old days, it also left them open to blackmail.

    There undoubtedly was a nasty sub-culture of pedos in DFAT, and the guy who blew the whistle got crucified. But most of them are just harmless old queens such as you would meet in Woollahra or Malvern.

  174. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Des Deskperson at 2:18 pm:

    “Broinowski, who doesn’t come out of this with much credit, is the brother of Helen Caldicott . He now a sanctimonious leftist and the ABC’s go-to man whenever they want to attack the nuclear power industry, although so far as I am aware he has no qualifications whatever in nuclear science.”

    Having read that again …

    Neither does she have any qualifications in nuclear science, so its genetic, and she stopped being a doctor 35 years ago. I’ve long regarded Caldicott as a dangerous, raving lunatic who should have been put down for the lies she routinely peddled to the star struck students and mummy blogging airheads.

    Hearing of Broinowski’s uneducated activism and reading his feeble efforts in that link I say he deserves the same fate. The pair of them are shameless spivs.

  175. Des Deskperson

    Broinowski is also public service royalty, his grandfather was, IIRC, the first Clerk of the Senate. That would have given him a great deal of cachet in a place like DFAT.

    Johanna is mostly right about DFAT queens, although I also met some nasty pieces of work when I was there, one of whom gets a mention in the transcript I linked to. While most of the DFAT gays weren’t paedophiles, many of them were very interested in young men (as some of us are still interested in young women) and liked postings where there were lots of them about. One of these places, believe it or not, was Port Moresby!

    Another curious element of gay life in DSFAT is that Ambassadors were expected to be married (to women) and when a gay was appointed to a head of mission, he usually had to find some woman – often a single middle aged PA, of which there were lots – who would marry him. Believe it or not, this practice continued until at leastt he late eighties, evidence, some would say, that the Gay Caucus, if it existed, wasn’t all that powerful.

  176. johanna

    There is a whole DFAT and related areas aristocracy connected to Broinowski and family. Too long and boring to go into here, but it spans the ANU and the yarts. Some of them are quite good at what they do.

  177. Leigh Lowe

    Broinowski, who doesn’t come out of this with much credit, is the brother of Helen Caldicott .

    Are we talking about one Richard Broinowski?
    If so, he is married to Alison Broinowski, most famous for being a Wikleaks candidate at the 2013 election and supporting the Bali bombers in 2002 ……

    “The Bali trials (of suspected bombers) have reinforced my view that Australia was the target. I don’t say the tourists deserved their fate but, with hindsight, what happened to them is predictable.”

    According to Broinowski, beer-swilling … is an insult likely to provoke violence when Australians hit the bars of some Asian countries. She quotes a syndicated Malaysian journalist, Rashid Rehman. After Bali, he described the targeted Sari Club as filthy and reeking of beer, sweat, drunken foreigners, and smoky air “jagged with Strine”.

    So there you have it.
    Beer swilling and speaking with a broad Australian accent is grounds for justifiable homicide.
    Filthy fucking grubs.

  178. Leigh Lowe

    Little wonder that he clings fiercely to “Broinowski”!

    When the ALP is in office it is pronounced “Brown-nose-ski”.

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