Thursday Forum: February 20, 2014

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  1. Pedro the Ignorant

    Where the the libertarians crying out against people having surveillance cameras on their home so many of your IPA research fellows do?

    I am another one bemused by this.

    Andrew, please explain how having a “surveillance camera” (deliberate scare quotes) on one’s own private house offend libertarian principles?

  2. C.L.

    Especially if she is defending her children.

    Indeed. Good luck to any thug attacking an armed mother defending her young.

    Really not a good idea.

  3. Rabz

    Where the the libertarians crying out against people having surveillance cameras on their home so many of your IPA research fellows do?

    Andrew, I hope you’re not out partying with a bunch of left wing students when you could be studying instead.

  4. Bear Necessities

    Dreaming up judgements. No wonder they don’t think they should be subjected to the real world, and the downstream implications of their decisions. Most of the judiciary live a rich fanatasy life, if some of the decisions since the 1970′s are any guide.

    It started way before that. The first uniform tax case (1942) showed the court’s liking for Commonwealth powers over those of the States.

  5. Bear Necessities

    Andrew needs to enrol in the Doomlord’s Free Market lectures.

  6. .

    “I’ve seen him a little bit fearful,” says [Will] Steffen, referring to 15 May 2012 when, in order to get into the Parramatta RSL in Sydney’s west for a public education forum, they had to push through a wall of people yelling “death to Flannery”. “They were saying, ‘Come over here, c-nt, we’re going to f-cking kill you’,” recalled Flannery. “I had to get escorted out with a security contingent.”

    Poor little King Joffrey wannabe wonders why the peasants revolt at the idea of being sent back to the dark ages.

    Clueless idiot who deserves a wooden cock.

  7. twostix

    Andrew, I hope you’re not out partying with a bunch of left wing students when you could be studying instead.

    I hope it’s not the same Andrew as the other one from last year who used to report in his dealings on campus and campaigning for the Libs?

    He seems to have completely changed if it is.

  8. johanna

    I’m thinking we have an imposter Andrew here – either that, or he’s still on the turps from last night. The Melbourne student Andrew has made some excellent comments on politics and economics.

  9. twostix

    in order to get into the Parramatta RSL in Sydney’s west for a public education forum, they had to push through a wall of people yelling “death to Flannery”. “They were saying, ‘Come over here, c-nt, we’re going to f-cking kill you’,” recalled Flannery. “I had to get escorted out with a security contingent.”

    Is there any evidence of this?

    The Sydney Morning Herald, at the time, made no mention of any death threats at all.

  10. Token

    Why on earth would I protest this?

    Does Andrew realise he sometimes sounds like Steve from Brisbane?

  11. Token

    Is there any evidence of this?

    I wish I had the cash so I could follow the Breitbart lead and offer $100k to the person who comes forward with the video.

  12. Here is the troll who chased after Abbott, shouting abuse and “Jewish banker” theories:

    It was not that long ago when Abbott was having a quiet coffee with Greg Sheridan, a bunch of lesbians harassed him in the café.

  13. Toiling Mass

    We were threatened with Finkelsteins Monster.

    In America the FCC will be going into newsrooms to see what they are doing and quiz them on the ‘hows’ and ‘whys’.

  14. .

    Obama has jumped the shark. He’s a jumped up wannabe tyrant.

  15. Token

    The Obama admin snooped on the email of 100 reporters and they begged for more…and they are getting it.

  16. The Pugilist

    “I’ve had some negative commentary this morning,” Ms Gallagher said.
    “But that’s not unexpected.
    “When you take a decision like this without going through endless consultation with industry you will get that negative pushback.
    “The evidence for us is very clear – we’ve got to make this decision.”
    Ms Gallagher said the policy would make water and low fat milk the “drinks of choice” in Canberra schools.
    The new rules will use a graded “traffic light” system which may permit some juices that are 99 per cent fruit and sold in small quantities.
    Flavoured milk will also be banned.
    Ms Gallagher said other facilities under ACT government control would be the next target.
    “We’ve also got government workplaces, we’ve got hospitals, we’ve got places like that where we need to have a look at how we remove those items from those places,” she said.
    In areas where we have control, they’re our facilities, our workplaces, they’re kids coming to our schools, then I think we should take a very firm message out…that we are on the way to getting rid of them.”

    OMG – the drinks of choice?
    areas where we have control?

    What next?

    All land in the ACT is on a 99-year lease people…

  17. Rabz

    Is there any evidence of this?

    Turns out there is as much evidence of the alleged colourful behaviour of the westies as there is of catastrophic human induced climate change.

    I’m shocked, shocked, I tells ya!

  18. Rabz

    “The evidence for us is very clear – we’ve got to make this decision.”

    Prime Minister Abbott speaking on his decision to abolish the ACT Clown Council.

    Yeah, right, if only.

  19. Armadillo

    maybe its a gross invasion of your average home invaders privacy

    I actually stayed up commenting on the Cat on Monday night/Tuesday morning. We have a couple of big dogs that I bring in of a night time and let them patrol (yeah..alright Mrs. A and Miss A are softies and I get out voted). Anyway, about 11.30 PM the dogs have spotted/heard some prowlers at the double back screen doors and gone ballistic. I let them loose in hot persuit down the road and over a few fences. Didn’t worry about the coppers as they only have one patrol car for a city of 60,000 at that time of night. They had done the bolt and I didn’t think they would be back (but I decided to stay up just in-case). Strangely enough, they were back at 2.30 AM. Same scenario (except this time I was ahem…prepared).

    They usually hate dogs and don’t make a re-apperance. Miss A came home from school the next day and noticed something in the garden near the side gate they fled through (which would explain the next visit). They must have shit themselves the first time around and dropped a knife in the panic. I’m hoping it has prints all over it. Bad enough they are are trying to rob the joint, but carrying a weapon puts it in a much more dangerous league. A knife at 10 paces would have been fuck all help to them.

  20. Token

    This story and the standards it implies are interesting:

    Living on Mars is prohibited in Islam, according to committee of clerics in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment (GAIAE) has ruled that a proposed one-way mission to Mars is equivalent to suicide and will therefore lead to damnation in the afterlife for any astronaut who takes part in it.

    Strange they make that statement about suicide.

  21. Toiling Mass

    Token,

    I am surprised they have not determined that 2.5 billion years ago some Muslim explorers touched down briefly, so it really a muslim planet.

    Anyway, how hard can it be to smuggle a semtex vest under your spacesuit and blow infidels to bits.

  22. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    A country which does this routinely to common crims and homosexuals has objected on a human rights basis to an Iranian being killed by RPNGC Mobile Squads in Manus.

    And the ABC is simply thrilled.

    because Abbottabbottabbott666.

  23. dismissive

    I think there are clear health issues to the public due to the ACT government’s existence. For the good of all Australians abolish the ACT government today,

    (Note that laboratory tests have shown that the ACT government causes the death of all test subjects.)

  24. nic

    Strange they make that statement about suicide.

    Pity their knowledge of what constitutes rockets is going to end badly too…

  25. Andrew

    G20 suggests that instead of Australia cutting company tax, we should just raise the GST as the magic pudding!

  26. Mike of Marion

    AEC Commissioner gone!!!!

  27. Helen

    Yes next election should be electronic register so as soon as one has rec’d ballot papers, noted as voted AND indelible finger ink dye.

    Need electronic with satellite for pre-polling, including remote pre-polling.

  28. Living on Mars is prohibited in Islam, according to committee of clerics in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment (GAIAE) has ruled that a proposed one-way mission to Mars is equivalent to suicide and will therefore lead to damnation in the afterlife for any astronaut who takes part in it.

    Looking forward to the Israeli space program any day now.

  29. Geriatric Mayfly

    If we are supposed to fly dead Iranians back to Mad Mullahland, let’s get rid of the live ones first.

  30. Cold-Hands

    AEC Commissioner gone!!!!

    Hooray!
    At least he had the integrity to fall on his sword when the magnatude of his failure became clear.

  31. Grigory M

    AEC Commissioner gone!!!!

    The fuckwit has resigned. That means he keeps his payouts and superannuation. WTF? He should have been sacked ages ago.

  32. stackja

    Grigory M
    #1197845, posted on February 21, 2014 at 7:40 pm
    AEC Commissioner gone!!!!
    The fuckwit has resigned. That means he keeps his payouts and superannuation. WTF? He should have been sacked ages ago.

    Slowly but surely they are going. Better to accept they get payouts and superannuation and depart forever.

  33. The Pugilist

    AEC Commissioner gone!!!!

    The fuckwit has resigned. That means he keeps his payouts and superannuation. WTF? He should have been sacked ages ago.

    As far as I understand, he is on leave until July and he is still on the books until then. Un-fucking-believable!!!

  34. .

    Living on Mars is prohibited in Islam, according to committee of clerics in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment (GAIAE) has ruled that a proposed one-way mission to Mars is equivalent to suicide and will therefore lead to damnation in the afterlife for any astronaut who takes part in it.

    Sounds like the precautionary principle.

  35. Gab

    One on One featuring Bolt, tonight.

    The ABC tells me there has been “quite a strong reaction” to the show – for and against – even though only a small grab has so far been shown as a teaser. I suspect there are many people who object to the ABC giving Satan a pulpit.

    I’m told the show will screen at the following times:

    ABC News 24
    Friday 2030 AEDT
    Saturday 0630 & 1730 AEDT
    Sunday 2130 AEDT

    ABC 1
    Wednesday 1100 LOCAL

    UPDATE

    This is the bit that has some on the Left gloating:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m21mDNfI_1c#t=79

  36. Dan

    Poor old Frank Farina eh. Getting drinks thrown at him.

    Maybe if he spent less time sucking down chardonnay wjile feeding fifties into the pokies he could live up to expectations

  37. Grigory M

    As far as I understand, he is on leave until July and he is still on the books until then. Un-fucking-believable!!!

    Well, that’s just fucking wonderful. That means the incompetent (or devious) prick is still accruing leave and superannuation. Whoever the responsible Minister is should resign also.

  38. The Pugilist

    [Killesteyn] will remain on personal leave until his resignation takes effect on July 4.

    it gets worse Grigory…it looks like he’s using up his personal leave before he resigns as that doesn’t get paid out. He’s not using up annual or long service leave, thereby reducing his payout…
    He’s a fucking fief!

  39. Fleeced

    You act surprised about the terms of the AEC dude’s resignation – as though this sort of thing isn’t the norm… I’m surprised he wasn’t suspended with pay during an extended investigation – and then terminated with perks, etc…

    Though to be fair, even in the private decor, people often keep their accrued perks on the condition they go quietly. It’s just not worth the hassle, otherwise – however warranted their dismissal might be.

  40. Fleeced

    private decor = private sector…

    I don’t know if I’m getting worse at typing of late, or whether auto-correct on safari has become more aggressive, but it’s really giving me the shits of late.

  41. The Pugilist

    You act surprised about the terms of the AEC dude’s resignation

    Not surprised, but fucking angry…

  42. dismissive

    The AEC stuff is interesting as the two commissioners resigned to the GG not the SMOS and the minister simply states he has been advised who will act in the two roles. Clearly he has an overseeing role but no sacking power. The three press releases for the last two days indicate someone who isn’t happy with the fact he can’t sack these buggers or at least jump up and down generally about the whole situation. Maybe I’m reading too much into it.

  43. Brian of Moorabbin

    Today’s game:
    Spot the glaring inconsistencies in GetUp’s latest “Save Our ABC” meme….

    Go!

  44. Fleeced

    Clearly he has an overseeing role but no sacking power.

    Hmmm… that is interesting. I can see reasons why they might have some separation there, but would love to know exactly how that works.

  45. .

    Gawker reckon we’re such an insignificant shithole of an economy, 882 million “kneecapped” the Federal budget.

    What a pack of arseclowns.

  46. Fleeced

    Spot the glaring inconsistencies in GetUp’s latest “Save Our ABC” meme….

    Ugh… so much wrong – where to begin?

  47. Toiling Mass

    It is still a nice thing to see senior public servants resigning after a fuck up. You would expect them to simply not care.

    Is there something he sniffed in the wind? For some reason it was better to go than to stay?

  48. .

    My God the lies go on and on.

    No mention of a court ruling, another paper says the “conservative” Government just gave it to him…and not even his shareholders.

  49. The Pugilist

    It is still a nice thing to see senior public servants resigning after a fuck up. You would expect them to simply not care

    No. It’s a disgrace. The taxpayer still has to fork out around $150k extra to this utter failure of a man. He failed in his core responsibility.

  50. Andrew

    Good to know that Nats MP for Mallee, Andrew Broad had a long meeting with GetUp! members in his electorate. Also to note that GetUp! and many Nationals including Broad sought to remove Mirabella in Indi.

  51. Fleeced

    It is still a nice thing to see senior public servants resigning after a fuck up. You would expect them to simply not care.

    Yeah, well… if Thommo could hang on, why not them, eh?

  52. The Pugilist

    Yeah, well… if Thommo could hang on, why not them, eh?

    They should both hang by a meat hook in the crotch…

  53. A Lurker

    I have a quick question to the Cats – my husband and I were having a discussion about the Fabian Society and which Aussie politicians might be members of that society. I said that I thought Howard might have been (and a Google search brought up a few links saying he was), but my husband maintains his scepticism. Does anyone know if he was or wasn’t.

    Also, does anyone have a link verifying the accuracy of that Barricade? information posted up yesterday (the one that stated Australia was planned to become a smoking radioactive ruin courtesy of the USSR during the Cold War), as my husband again is sceptical about it being true.

  54. Grigory M

    He’s not using up annual or long service leave, thereby reducing his payout…

    No, he’s still fucking accruing his leave and his superannuation. And probably increasing his superannuation contributions to increase his payout.

  55. Tracey

    Well, that’s just fucking wonderful. That means the incompetent (or devious) prick is still accruing leave and superannuation.

    Grigory, I worked in payroll for many years for a GOC. The minute the decision was made to give a senior manager the arse I was informed by the beta males and yummy mummies who now exclusively populate HR ranks that they were ‘on gardening leave for an undetermined period’. It was not uncommon for ‘gardening leave’ to extend to 6 months or more.

  56. Toiling Mass

    Agreed. Better if they were sacked for incompetence and thanked for their ‘service’ with extreme prejudice.

    The danger now is that an equally incompetent asshat takes over and we are no better off. That is why I hold the pious (but perhaps forlorn) hope that it was not entirely their idea and a precedent may have been set for the next ones.

    In the grand scheme of things the AEC is a peripheral organisation – the sort of people the timid Libs have taken on.

  57. The Pugilist

    thereby reducing his payout…

    Whoops…I meant increasing…*slaps forehead*

  58. Grigory M

    The AEC stuff is interesting as the two commissioners resigned to the GG not the SMOS

    Yeah, well, pardon my French but how the fucking fuck (thanks Huck) does that work? The bastards are not responsible to the GG (nobody is, except the sycophants who report to her at Yarralumla). As far as I can see these incompetents at the AEC have direct line responsibility to the SMOS (Ronaldson?). So, what is this bullshit from him that “he has been advised by the GG”? The last I saw, the GG takes advice from the Government, not the other way around. Killesteyn, and whoever else was responsible for the incompetence or criminality that will result in a Senate Election re-run 6 months after the September 2013 Election, should be deismissed forthwith. IMO.

  59. Fleeced

    Yeah, it’s pretty disgraceful… I hate inquiries for this, that and the other – but electoral fuck-ups are pretty damn serious. Another royal commission? We need to ensure there are mechanisms in place to ensure that:

    a) this doesn’t/can’t happen again; and
    b) people in charge of the show are held accountable…

  60. dismissive

    From AEC.gov.au

    The AEC is managed by a three-person Australian Electoral Commission (Commission). The Commission is headed by a Chairperson, who must be an active or retired judge of the Federal Court of Australia, the Electoral Commissioner, and a non-judicial member.

    The Commission currently consists of:

    The Hon. Peter Heerey AM QC, Chairperson
    Electoral Commissioner
    Mr Brian Pink (Australian Statistician), Part-time, non-judicial member

    So who appoints the Judge?

  61. nic

    It all raises the question as to the role Tony Abbott played…./sarc

  62. Grigory M

    The AEC is managed by a three-person Australian Electoral Commission (Commission). The Commission is headed by a Chairperson, who must be an active or retired judge of the Federal Court of Australia, the Electoral Commissioner, and a non-judicial member.

    So? The letter at the front of their Annual Reports is addressed to the Special Minister of State, not the Governor-General.

  63. dismissive

    SMOS is the minister responsible for Electoral Affairs but it seems the AEC is independent of the Government delivering to their charter. A bit like the ABC I expect.

    The Judge was appointed 2009 so Rudd?

  64. blogstrop

    The ALP has even lost Jack The Insider!

    The Light on the Hill has become a bug-zapper in the pizza shop of naked self-interest, he says.

  65. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Intarwebz playing up badly.

    Re Barricade – I read about it in the early 90s. Best I can suggest is contacting Petr Lunak from NATO’s information office in Brussels. he’s been digging about in Soviet-era nuclear contingency planning files in recent years.

  66. coz

    You know when Tony punched Joe Hockey? That was a symbolic event. I now want to punch him too.

  67. Dan

    Best to keep the AEC arms reach from government. On the face of it, it’s a good system.

    I would imagine the judge is appointed by agreement of both houses

  68. Fleeced

    On a different note, was very sorry to hear of the 8yo girl killed at school by a falling tree-branch at her school. Another couple students were injured (I hear on the grapevine that one suffered a broken arm, but that is unconfirmed) and that a teacher has head injuries (but is apparently “OK”).

    Anyways… my parents have a couple lemon eucalyptus gums (aka “widowmakers”) on their lawn, and had a huge branch fall recently. Fell right where my mum spends much of her time gardening, and also onto neighbour’s granny flat (it was a huge branch… looks small when it’s “up there”, but as big as the tree itself when it falls) – as an aside, my parents have great neighbours who didn’t fuss, and simply helped them chop it up with their chainsaw – anyway, they decided to get rid of them, but needed council approval…

    Blacktown City Council is (or was) pretty good with these things in the past. Unlike many other councils, they pretty much rubber stamp tree removals – albeit after an “inspection” – and they did indeed approve the removals in this case.

    However, for each tree removed, they are “required” to plant TWO new native trees on their property. WTF is that shit?!

  69. Bruce of Newcastle

    I have a quick question to the Cats – my husband and I were having a discussion about the Fabian Society and which Aussie politicians might be members of that society.

    Julia Gillard, Wayne Swan and Kelvin Thompson were members. Those are who I’ve seen recently. The wiki currently only mentions Gillard, but I’m pretty sure past edits included Swan and Thompson. And of course Hawke, Keating, Wran and Whitlam are on the list.

  70. coz

    What’s their definition of a ‘tree’?

  71. Fleeced

    Is anybody else watching Sky News? Who the hell are these these people? Chris Kenny I know, but who are the girls?

  72. The Dalai Lama, I see on ABCNews is a believer in global awarmism. Well, that’s good enough for me. My scepticism is over.

  73. Gab

    However I have read somewhere that the Daily Lama supports capitalism and free markets.

  74. Fleeced

    What’s their definition of a ‘tree’?

    No idea, coz… My parents planted both trees they’re chopping – and also a bottlebrush that is starving g nearby… surely the latter will finally begin to thrive once these are chopped down, so is it necessary to plant another? Is a bottlebrush even a tree, or a shrub?

    No idea… I suspect my Dad simply intends to ignore it, but I know my Mum is researching various natives… she likes the lorikeets, after all.

  75. calli

    However, for each tree removed, they are “required” to plant TWO new native trees on their property. WTF is that shit?!

    It is local government’s sop to Gaia. Did the council specify a height for the trees, Fleeced?

    In Ku Ring Gai, they wanted me to plant Eucalyptus salinga (Sydney Blue Gum) within 4m of raft slabs, fully knowing that the trees would ultimately compromise the structural integrity of the foundations.

    These are dangerous halfwits.

  76. Grigory M

    The Dalai Lama, I see on ABCNews is a believer in global awarmism.

    He believes in re-incarnation, too.

  77. Fleeced

    In Ku Ring Gai, they wanted me to plant Eucalyptus salinga (Sydney Blue Gum) within 4m of raft slabs, fully knowing that the trees would ultimately compromise the structural integrity of the foundations.

    Ugh… Like I say, Blacktown have been pretty resistant to the bullshit, so I’m not surprised that other councils are worse. I’ll check with my parents what the details are, but I don’t believe they’re quite that prescriptive. What happens if you plant a tree and it dies?

  78. coz

    The laughing lama is a witch, IMHO.

  79. calli

    E. saligna…I blame my iPad…naturally.

  80. Fleeced

    The laughing lama is a witch, IMHO.

    And a would-be tyrant.

  81. Cold-Hands

    A cursory look for Barricade turns up what looks like Mk50 educating the leftards at former Senator Andrew Bartlett’s blog.

  82. calli

    What happens if you plant a tree and it dies?

    Since the Dalai Lama has been mentioned….make sure no one is there to see it.

  83. Grigory M

    my Mum is researching various natives… she likes the lorikeets, after all.

    Grevillea.

  84. Fleeced

    The gums are deadly, btw… forget the foundation issues – they are killers.

  85. .

    The other, more accurate one is that it was founded by a few Queensland shearers who, in the twilight of the 19th Century, told their employers to go to buggery and got on the drink under the shade of a gum tree.

    Which is bit of a myth anyway.

    W H Hutt basically destroyed the myth, and showed that the workers at the shearing shed were sabotaging the product.

    The ALP is not built on sticking up for workers but screwing over honest workers, be they bosses or employees.

  86. Grigory M

    The gums are deadly, btw… forget the foundation issues – they are killers.

    My neighbor had two large gums on the nature strip that began dropping big branches. He had them removed – good thing. But, while they were there we used to see lots of really big stick insects – up to half a metre long – around the house. When the gums went, so did the stick insects.

  87. calli

    If they are after ‘native’ and not ‘endemic’, you could try Elaeocarpus eumundii, or E. reticulatus, or the Eucalyptus ‘Summer Beauty’ range. These are grafted eucs that survive on clay soils (blacktown is on Wyanamatta shale – this often account for the failure of trees more suited to more open or sandy soils).

    I love horticultural threads!

  88. Fleeced

    Don’t think I’d miss stick insects… lorikeets are pretty though. But noisy. Why do the pretty birds have such an ugly squawk? ;)

  89. will

    No. It’s a disgrace. The taxpayer still has to fork out around $150k extra to this utter failure of a man. He failed in his core responsibility.

    I think you are being unfair. It is a tough gig. Usually an election every 18 months, thousands and often millions of votes, hundreds of full time staff and thousands of part timers, all of whom need to be impartial and conscientious. I am sure that there are a number of sleepers who present themselves as professional but whose intention is sabotage. The system would not be totally people (and therefore error) proof.

    As to requiring voter ID, I am sure it has been considered, but the logistics make this impractical.

  90. Gab

    But, while they were there we used to see lots of really big stick insects

    I once was bailed up by a very large stick insect for about a week. He was sitting on the screen door that led onto the verandah at the back. I didn’t go out the back for a week. true story.

  91. .

    I can say from Mk50′s old posts that John Tracey is a fucking loon.

  92. Fleeced

    I once was bailed up by a very large stick insect…

    MUST… NOT… LAUGH…

  93. Motellier

    FLEECED

    Our Gab is a lady. Anything with more than 4 legs and no fur is definitely a dangerous animal.

    And here I sit in hospital waiting to be wired up for my sleep study.

    I hope I pass.

  94. Motellier

    I am going over the Climate Change post and catch up on the progress of young Alfred.

  95. Gab

    Look at you. I’m being honest and you’re laughing at me. I have feelings too, you know.

  96. Fleeced

    Look at you. I’m being honest and you’re laughing at me

    No – I specifically indicated that I WASN’T laughing!

    Women… no pleasing ‘em.

  97. Gab

    Men. They say one thing but mean another!

    :D

  98. Grigory M

    No – I specifically indicated that I WASN’T laughing!

    Well, trying not to.

  99. Fleeced

    Well, trying not to.

    I was… thinking of a funny joke!

  100. Brian of Moorabbin

    I once was bailed up by a very large stick insect…

    A HWP copper I know (from another region) is known as ‘Stick’ (shortened from Stick Insect) because he is 6foot 14inches tall and as thin as a piece-of-spaghetti…

    Imagine if Gab was ever pulled over (‘bailed up’) by him…..

    ;)

  101. coz

    So, vis-a-vis the Laughing Lama and his non-evangelical ‘faith’….living in tiny town Nth Coast Tasmania, I was driving the back streets of suburbia here, down to the bottle shop, and what do I see but a bald man in a bright yellow, thin faux-silk dressing gown talking to a tradesman (plumber, I think) over the side fence and sure enough, I turn the corner into main street and that non-evangelical ‘faith’ buddhism has opened up a ‘bookshop’ here.

  102. johanna

    So, Killesteyn has retired. By waiting till July, he will push his taxes into the next financial year. I’m not sure how old he is, but he is certainly around normal retiring age in the APS, so I doubt if it’s a punishment.

    What about his WA counterpart? While K is a dill, the feet on the ground in this case was the WA branch manager, whose name we don’t even know.

    As I said somewhere above, after the AEC the AFP is where you send people with, shall we say, some challenges. Following their raid on Channel 7, we now find that the paperwork didn’t even refer to them, so they have “apologised.”

    “The AFP has today written to Channel Seven in relation to the raid, which it says was ordered under Section 246 of the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002.

    “A Section 246 Order is a supplementary document which can be used in conjunction with a warrant to provide additional technical support to the warrant holder,” the AFP said in a statement.

    “The letter refers to the Section 246 Order, which is addressed to ‘Justine Munsie or any other employee, Addison lawyers’ and states that the issuing Magistrate, His Honour Magistrate Graeme Curran, is satisfied that ‘you are reasonably suspected of having committed the offence stated in the relevant warrant’.

    “The AFP accepts that this statement was incorrect and it should not have been made. It is a regrettable error, but an innocent word-processing error.”

    The AFP says it regrets any “hurt, embarrassment or offence which this error has caused”.

    This is the equivalent of the FBI, people. They can’t even get the name on a (dodgy) warrant right.

    “This regrettable error does not invalidate the search warrants, or the order itself,” it added.”

  103. dismissive

    Johanna

    Resignation of the Australian Electoral Officer for Western Australia, Mr Peter Kramer also occurred today. I had a link on this but since it got eaten by moderation I won’t bother.

  104. .

    Sue sue sue until the AFP considers mass sackings.

    You can’t going around cocking up warrants like this, they are meant to be the premiere law enforcement agency of the nation.

  105. .

    So, Killesteyn has retired.

    A good start. Is the electoral fraud in 2010 ever going to be investigated?

  106. A Lurker

    Thanks guys for the tips – sorry was away from the computer – dinner etc.

  107. .

    As I said somewhere above, after the AEC the AFP is where you send people with, shall we say, some challenges.

    It simply shouldn’t be like this. Why is this so?

    I have a friend who is a fraud investigator for Centrelink. They have informed me that the AFP agent attached to their branch was a complete and utter coward.

    Surely there are some good AFP agents out there. As for community policing, why is the ACT so violent?

  108. Motellier

    Just caught up on how Alfred is progressing.

    It is pleasing to see that our resident expert on education, disabilities, automotive restoration and Vietnam history did not make a comment.

    Perhaps the zip got stuck on his onsie.

  109. Motelier

    FLEECED

    Our Gab is a lady. Anything with more than 4 legs and no fur is definitely a dangerous animal.

    And here I sit in hospital waiting to be wired up for my sleep study.

    I hope I pass.

  110. Motelier

    Just caught up on how young Alfred is going. It seems he has been suspended for swearing.

    However what is pleasing for me is that our resident expert on education, disabilities, automotive restoration, legal challenges and all things Vietnam did not make a comment.

  111. Gab

    You study in your sleep? Cool.

  112. Motelier

    Gab,

    apparently I snore and might stop breathing at different times of the night. These things are not good for ones health.

  113. Megan

    Good luck with getting that sticky goo they use with the electrodes out of your hair, Mote. Assuming you have some.

  114. Gab

    apparently I snore

    Oh, so Mrs M has correctly identified that you snore.

    might stop breathing at different times of the night.

    possibly due to Mrs M trying to shut your snoring down with the aid of a pillow :)

  115. Motelier

    Megan,

    Mrs M always calls me a hairy bear.

    But the solar panel on the skull is a worry

  116. Fleeced

    My mum is going to do one of them studies soon, Motelier… I often think I should too – given how exhausted I feel after a kip.

  117. Motelier

    Oh, so Mrs M has correctly identified that you snore.

    Yes

    and

    possibly due to Mrs M trying to shut your snoring down with the aid of a pillow

    Sort of correct. She digs me in the ribs to turn over to my side and then shoves a pillow under my ribs to stop me rolling to my back again.

    Clever lady. I am blessed.

  118. Motelier

    Fleeced it was the questionnaires that you have to answer that provide most of the answers.

    One of the telltales is falling asleep while watching television. I just thought it was because the programming left a lot to be desired.

  119. Gab

    Lol, sure she does, Motelier, whatever helps you sleep at night :D

  120. calli

    Sort of correct. She digs me in the ribs to turn over to my side and then shoves a pillow under my ribs to stop me rolling to my back again.

    She could always sew a tennis ball into the back seam of your pyjama top. Oh, wait… :)

  121. Megan

    Fleeced, I mentioned our encounter with the local council regarding the removal of dangerous trees from our garden. $140 for a permit to remove a native and $60 for a non-native. That’s after we have already shelled out for an aborist’s report telling them that one tree has fungal disease, the other has been eaten inside by borer and the third is a sad victim of the drought, with a divided trunk and highly likely to fall in the near future.
    We were denied approval to remove another massive gum with a split trunk that leans over two of our bedrooms and was assessed by the aborist to constitute a significant safety risk. Reason? It’s healthy and a habitat for birds. I’m planning to give it a little nudge with treatment involving a canister of RoundUp and a large hypodermic needle. And yes, we are required to plant two natives for each one we fell.

  122. Motelier

    She could always sew a tennis ball into the back seam of your pyjama top. Oh, wait…

    :oops:

  123. calli

    Meagan, re the gum with the massive inclusion, will your Council allow you to remove the side that’s leaning over your house?

    If the arborist has recommended removal due to hazard, is it worth getting your insurer involved?

  124. .

    Fleeced, I mentioned our encounter with the local council regarding the removal of dangerous trees from our garden. $140 for a permit to remove a native and $60 for a non-native.

    Chop it down over time and then under the threshold, boom, contractor (not necessarily an arborist) takes it away on a quiet day.

  125. .

    And yes, we are required to plant poison two seven natives for each one we fell plant in a really half arsed manner and run over with a ride on lawnmower
    anyways.

  126. Motelier

    Dot

    That is called pruning.

  127. Ed

    might stop breathing at different times of the night.

    That’s sleep apnea. It’s deadly.
    That’s when you hear about someone who just “died in their sleep”.
    It’s also treatable.

  128. johanna

    Thanks, dismissive. The thing about WA elections is that these things have been drawn to their attention before, and they apparently did nothing.

    Trouble is, the second tier is just as thick (at best) as those who have just retired with hefty entitlements.

    Still, this is the kind of thing that politicians are very, very interested in, so perhaps we may get some pruning of the deadwood and decent reforms.

    As for the AFP, it is quite scary that these dimwits have the extensive powers that they do. They also ran a lot of our “border protection” negotiations with Indonesia under Rudd and Gillard – and we all know how that turned out.

    As one looks up at the chandelier that is the APS, the AEC and the APS are the bulbs that are dim, flickering or just plain dead.

  129. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Motelier – as a fellow snorer – Google “Instantly stop snoring” and a very helpful supplier sells you some thing that looks like a boxer’s plastic mouth guard. THEY WORK to the point where Mrs Two Alpha no longer retires to the spare room. What I do about HER snoring…………

  130. Fleeced

    Megan, this is where state and Fed guvs need to step in… Many of the LDP crowd seem to think local councils are better because they’re “closer” to the individual, but my experience is that they’re the worst of the bunch and should be abolished… At any rate, the higher levels of government should be able to overrule when it comes to property rights – especially where safety is concerned.

  131. johanna

    “the AEC and the AFP” – although many readers may prefer the original.

  132. Fleeced

    It’s also treatable.

    Yeah… but with a mask, right?

  133. Motelier

    Zulu,

    I had one and it sort of worked but the problem seems to have become worse.

    And yes Fleeced, it looks like I will retire to bed of a night time looking I am going to ready for a trip to the upper atmosphere.

    Gab I though cat apnea was only seen by those that comment on here between midnight and breakfast?

  134. .

    Fleeced
    #1198172, posted on February 21, 2014 at 11:00 pm
    Megan, this is where state and Fed guvs need to step in… Many of the LDP crowd seem to think local councils are better because they’re “closer” to the individual, but my experience is that they’re the worst of the bunch and should be abolished… At any rate, the higher levels of government should be able to overrule when it comes to property rights – especially where safety is concerned.

    No no no no no.

    They do stuff on the directive of the States. Do you think they dream up shit like LEPs on their own to harass their constituents? They are given a model code and must enforce that at a minimum.

    What should go?

    COAG and COAG committees
    Federal income taxes
    The insistence that new states shouldn’t form
    State Governments not being constitutionally bound to just compensation rules etc

    COAG/uniformity should be done on a treaty basis by the States without the Federal Government at all. Once a matter is referred it is nearly impossible to give back.

    Imagine if LEPs etc were referred!

  135. Motelier

    Zulu mine was from Snorex in Brisvegas.

  136. Fleeced

    They do stuff on the directive of the States

    No. Greens have power at a local level they don’t have at states. Big fish, small pond, and all that.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Clueless idiot who deserves a wooden cock.

    For Flannelette, Dot? Far too kind. Putty, my dear, putty.

  138. johanna

    Dot is right. Local government doesn’t exist at a constitutional level (thank goodness) and merely does what State governments either make them do or allow them to do.

    Their petty tyrannies could be stopped by a single Act of State Parliament.

    I suspect that State Governments prefer to outsource local problems to local government, to take the load off State MPs. The stupid fools didn’t realise that they were providing local powerbases to the Greens and other ratbags.

    They are reaping what they sowed. Unfortunately, the rest of us are reaping it too.

  139. Fleeced

    …and merely does what State governments either make them do or allow them to do.

    Quite a big difference between the two… I suspect the latter. It is also a breeding ground for those who graduate to higher levels of government. Eliminate local councils – they are useless!

  140. Fleeced

    I bless the rains down in Africa… does that even mean anything?

  141. .

    It was a game of thrones joke, Lizzie, please tell me if I missed another one!

  142. Grigory M

    I bless the rains down in Africa… does that even mean anything?

    Toto?

  143. Fleeced

    Toto?

    Yep… listening to my 80s playlist. Always loved the song, but like many songs I love, I’m always slightly embarrassed by the meaningless of the words.

  144. Fleeced

    I almost always prefer the original, deadman… though they still bless the rains down in Africa :)

  145. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Mrs M always calls me a hairy bear.

    See! I am not alone in appreciating an hairy man. Who snores occasionally.

    Now, don’t get me started on trees. Greenfilth abound in the Eastern and Inner Eastern Suburbs, where every leaf is sacred and no-one should enjoy a harbour view. Deadly virus-carrying fruit bats squawk to Gaia in all of the sacred fig trees, maiming old pensioners who slip on their odorous droppings.

    And I am allergic to Grevillia. It gives me a very bad eczema-type of skin reaction.

  146. Armadillo

    I bless the rains down in Africa… does that even mean anything?

    Toto?

    Toto? FMD? You need to spell it backwards, spin in a circle 3 times whilst reciting it in a chant. All will then be clear to you.

    Ahh…did you mean Voodo? Sorry, make that ‘spin in a circle 5 times’ then – my mistake.

  147. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    It was a game of thrones joke, Lizzie, please tell me if I missed another one!

    I’ve not seen it. Got the DVD from friends for Christmas; haven’t had time yet to get into it. Gab likes it, which is a good recommendation.

  148. Gab

    You;re an evil woman, Lizzie. Your recommendations persuaded me to watch Downton Abbey. I am now hooked; addicted even!! Imagine how disappointed I was to find they only produce 7 or 8 episodes per season!!

  149. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Did anyone catch Philippa Gregory on SBS at 8.30 tonight outlining the historical background to her Cousins’ War series? It was worth seeing for an overview of the period. A final episode for this comes up next week. Worth catching up with this first one online if you are interested in the Wars of the Roses period (on which Game of Thrones is said to be loosely based).

  150. Fleeced

    …Tougher than diamonds, rich like cream
    Stronger and harder than a bad girl’s dream…

  151. Gab

    If you haven’t already watched it, Lizzie, Lark Rise to Candelford was another good series.

  152. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Sunday night, Gab, Sunday night. A biggie coming up. The first of the New Series.
    Six months after Matthew’s tragic refusal to earn any more money playing beloved heir to Downton.
    I have my eye on Tom, the Irishman, though. Dibs off. He’s mine, I saw him first. I know I have one of them already, and two is greedy, but I don’t care.

  153. Gab

    Not fussed about Tom. I much prefer Mr Bates – who was also in Lark Rise, the actor I mean.

  154. Fleeced

    …My expectations may be high, I blame it on my youth
    Soon enough I’ll learn the painful truth…

  155. Fleeced

    Gotta admit, 80s music is pretty cheesy.

  156. Fleeced

    All the boys think she’s a spy…. but there’s a new thread.

  157. johanna

    Not bad, Deadman, but a bit Andre Rieu for my taste.

    How about Fela Kuti and Roy Ayers’ “Africa (Centre of the World)” or indeed the wonderful Dollar Brand, now Abdullah Ibrahim,’s “African Piano“? Just a single track taster, recorded live in a jazz club.

    There is an annual music festival held in Mali, which is in the bottom 10 poorest countries on the planet, which is awesome. I think it’s called “Festival in the Desert”or similar. SBS has shown it once or twice. Gobsmackingly good stuff, IMO.

  158. nerblnob

    http://youtu.be/MVrkiueATyM from Pablo Lubadika. None o that jazz stuff.

  159. nerblnob

    Whoops, muddled my link up. Delete!
    This is it: Pablo Lubadika

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