It can happen here

My reaction on reading this at Instapundit was that it wouldn’t happen in Australia:

Has anyone ever helped pop my bag up into the overhead compartment? Nope. Have I seen any other woman helped? Nope.

This week, an engineer in his 50s just stood there in the aisle, his hands clasped, as I played Olympic weight-lifting with my suitcase right in front of him. Just stood there, looking intently at the sticky carpet. Probably afraid to chip a nail or something.

Has the women’s liberation movement really scared the bejesus out of men this much?

When did it become chivalrous to steadfastly look away and not bother to help?

If a 6am flight is anything to go by, you’d think the concept of a gentleman was well and truly dead.

I promise you, I won’t get angry or defensive or give you attitude, I’ll in fact be super-grateful and flash you an extra-big smile despite the lack of sleep.

Turns out, the story was taken from The Age in an article titled, Quit hitting on me and help me out. I guess it can happen in Australia after all but I am surprised.

This entry was posted in Cultural Issues. Bookmark the permalink.

198 Responses to It can happen here

  1. Sinclair Davidson

    I have helped people and had people help me. Gee I didn’t realise they were trying to pick me up.

  2. Kaboom

    Look, people (of any gender or sexual persuasion) who bring on board “carry-on” crap weighing 20Kg and unable to be crammed into overhead, just to avoid the baggage collection schmozzle, should be summarily ejected from the aircraft, made to check in their shit, and catch a later flight.

    Care factor less than zero…

  3. smcg51

    Simple chap in my 60s in Oz.
    I hedge been roundly abused for such excessive and abusive behaviours as allowing a woman to exit a lift before me, opening a door and being polite.
    I am about to give up I think. ..

  4. james

    Women who get upset about men no longer giving a crap should direct their blame at the sisterhood.

    I have even heard friends of mine who perpetrated domestic violence justify themselves by correctly pointing out that if a man had given them such shit then said man would have recieved similar treatment.

    It is an ugly truth, but if women wish to be treated on the same terms and by the same standards as men then you all become small, whiney, weak men who talk a lot and complain too much.

    Women and men deserve to be treated differently because we are different. Feminism seems to want to give women all the benefits of maleness without any of the costs.

    And from my experiences travelling around the world Urban, Educated Australian women seem to be amongst the very worst.

    There are very good reasons why most of my married friends [all late 20s early 30s] chose women born outside this country.

  5. Mayan

    If you can’t lift it, don’t pack it.

    (And, having seen so many struggle to park 4WDs: if you can’t park it, don’t buy it.)

  6. Bruce of Newcastle

    I have helped ladies in such circumstances.

    I did so knowing my risk of being arraigned for discrimination, attempted theft, attempted sexual assault (in case of accidental contact) and risk of back and eye injury (respectively from the weight of the suitcase and the right fist of the irate feminist harpy who I thought was a nice lady).

    By the time you have gone through this five dimensional differential equation in your head she’s gotten the overweight thing into the compartment and is looking daggers at you for not helping her.

    There’s nothing you can possibly do which is correct in such circumstance.

  7. Gab

    This week, an engineer in his 50s just stood there in the aisle, his hands clasped, as I played Olympic weight-lifting with my suitcase right in front of him. Just stood there, looking intently at the sticky carpet. Probably afraid to chip a nail or something.

    No, sweetheart, more like he didn’t want to risk copping a spray of feminist abuse. Besides, you have a mouth so use it – ask for help in a pleasant manner next time and stop your whining.

  8. Gab

    If you can’t lift it, don’t pack it.

    Precisely.

  9. pete m

    May I help you?

    Anyone taking offence at that innocuous question would be clearly not worth helping.

    And yeah, that bag shouldn’t weigh more than 7 kg, so maybe sweetie should head to the gym?

  10. Kaboom

    Gab:

    No, sweetheart, more like he didn’t want to risk copping a spray of feminist abuse.

    I suspect we are talking about Michael Smith’s wife/partner here…

  11. Gab

    I suspect we are talking about Michael Smith’s wife/partner here…

    And that is relevant how?

  12. Kaboom

    I agree, it’s not relevant – as I said previously, care factor less than zero.

    However, just consider the political and social implications, bearing in mind the author of this dribble, irrespective of gender or sexual proclivity.

  13. Yon Toad

    You haul a bag on board that you need assistance with and you’re on your bloody own as far as I’m concerned. I’m over these flamin eedjits that clutter up the lockers and the aisles with their carry-ons.

  14. Geriatric Mayfly

    Much more prevalent these days is when you open a door for a woman, and she simply pushes the broom handle up her bum, tilts her head back and sails through. Accepts the courtesy, but no acknowledgement forthcoming.

  15. ar

    Bag size incidental… would it be too much to ask how big her tits are?

  16. johanna

    Yeah, if you need help, ask.

    A while back I was struggling with my luggage at the airport (sprained wrist) so I asked a nearby young fellow for a hand. He was happy to oblige.

    Don’t see the problem here. People are not mind-readers, or may simply have other things on their mind and don’t necessarily take it in.

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    @ Geriatric Mayfly – Have found these days that, if no acknowledgment is forthcoming, you simply say, loudly, but not too loudly “My pleasure.”

    Some member of the vacant and vacuous will usually turn round and say “I didn’t say anything” and the point may be emphasized with a raised eyebrow.

    Mind you, I did hold the door open once for an elderly lady, struggling with a walking frame. Two nubiles pushed past her, giggling. I was thanked with a voice that made a foghorn sound dulcet “You, sir are a gentleman, and that is more than may be said for certain little madams…”

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Should read “You, sir are a gentleman with manners, and that is more than may be said…”

  19. Nic

    It’s hard being a guy, so many rules to observe. If you help you’re a sexist pig . If you don’t, you’re a sexist pig.

  20. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    What everyone else said.

    I routinely help young mums with prams up steps/into and off trains etc. Been there, done that, and never once have I copped the femenazi spray. Reality has hit them if they were ever that way. I routinely help women of my age and older, they know ‘the system’ and respond appropriately with a smile and a thanks.

    Younger women with no kids? No way, sorry. Not willing to cop another spray from some gormless arrogant idiot without even the courtesy to decline politely.

    If she wants assistance, all she has to do is politely request it, and it will be freely given.

    They never do.

    ‘Chivalry’ – actually a system of helpful public courtesy – is a system that both males and females partake in equally. Miss Kroslakova obviously has no clue about this: to her it’s entirely a one-way street.

  21. Beef

    It’s hard being a guy, so many rules to observe. If you help you’re a sexist pig . If you don’t, you’re a sexist pig.

    How dare you, you sexist pig!

  22. Carpe Jugulum

    If she is on a 6am flight with such a heavy bag then why didn’t she check it in instead of pissing everyone off by assuming it is carry on luggage.

  23. Pedro the Ignorant

    Stop carting giant suitcases on board as “carry on” just so you don’t have to wait at the baggage carousel with the proles, and I might give a rat’s arse.

  24. jumpnmcar

    Chivalry has nothing to do with it.
    Katrina Robertson once offered to lift me from the bar stool in her pub to the footpath.
    I respectfully declined and did it myself.

  25. Beef

    What the fuck was in the bag that was so heavy???, Guy might have thought she looked like a drug mule. Don’t wanna get involved in any Corby kinda sting.

  26. Andrew

    I use the rule “What would I do if it was another guy?” If I’m at the aisle and someone stuck in the window has no way to get theirs I often ask “the black backpack?” and if they confirm that I’ll pass their stuff to them. Man or woman. I’ll hold a door for either gender if I’m positioned in a way to make that easier.

    There’s no lift gender etiquette: The sequence is
    - person at the front of lift blocking everybody exits first
    - rest exit having regard to baggage etc
    - people entering stand to the side
    - last out holds a hand over the door to stop it closing before people standing to the side enter, if necessary (esp if the people entering are on wheels and can’t do that)

    I’m unsympathetic to people given a 7kg allowance who pack a standard size bag with lead bricks. More so after the carryon bag police at SIN weighed my bag and caused me no end of inconvenience. But if they have a genuine attempt and it’s clear they’re stuggling then yes I will say “Want a hand?” and assist.

  27. egg_

    An offer to help out is as seen as ‘hitting on’ someone FFS?
    Must be some sleaze factor involved, surely?

  28. egg_

    What the fuck was in the bag that was so heavy???

    Adelaide Airport?
    ‘Body’ bag?

  29. Carpe Jugulum

    I don’t fly. ugh.

    Really? I think a Globemaster would be able to transport your morbidly obese personage. Sure the average aircraft doesn’t have the seat width but think outside of the square FFS.

  30. Beef

    They used to employ these people called hostesses. If you asked them nicely for assisstance they used to smile at you and say, certainly. Or just a moment til this lady is seated.

  31. coz

    Morbidly obese? Moi? Non!

    Gee you shitty people have such huge problems, gettin’ yer bags on the plane is such a worry! What if the latte is not milky enough? We country folks have other concerns.

  32. calli

    My dearest only helps two types of women…those who are his age and older (and most likely to appreciate help and not spray nastiness) and young mothers (and dads) travelling with infants. And of course, I help too in the same circumstances.

    Young ‘ladies’ with massive oozing cabin luggage…not so much.

    As for the ‘hitting on’ accusation, I really wonder who is hitting on who? Disappointed that your helper is a man in his 60′s, not a handsome, suave beta 30 something? Blame yourself, sweetcheeks.

  33. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    And from my experiences travelling around the world Urban, Educated Australian women seem to be amongst the very worst.

    There are very good reasons why most of my married friends [all late 20s early 30s] chose women born outside this country.

    Yeah, agreed.

    I feel sorry for them. All the times in their youth that they were encouraged to become harpies contemptuous of their menfolk, no one ever told them that the male response would be to drop the shutters and turn off, forever, and go looking elsewhere for a more pleasant life partner.

    And the poor dears are so convinced of their righteousness that they haven’t yet worked that out.

  34. Tel

    Since Katarina Kroslakova obviously thinks the whole world is about her, I’m surprised she’s so shocked when other people are similarly self centered. If you chat to her, you automatically become a “peacock” trying to hit on her, and if you keep to yourself you get blamed for “harshness”. Given the lose/lose proposition I’ll pick the smaller loss and keep to myself.

  35. egg_

    We country folks have other concerns.

    Being subsidised by the Melbourne-Sydney route?

  36. Andrew

    That reminds me of the Penrith-special who abused me for NOT helping her off a train with a pram. Pram technique:

    - Tilt 0.5cm off the train floor.
    - Cross the 10cm gap to platform.
    - Touch down front wheels lightly
    - Roll forward
    - Slightly lift rear wheels
    - Repeat

    WTF did she expect me to do? That’s precisely what prams are designed to do, with the levered handles and all. The fact that I was stooped over after a major back operation didn’t give her any clues as to my reluctance to jump in. Fuck I enjoyed abusing the fuck out of her.

  37. Habib

    I used to help with bags, open doors etc all the time, now I’m a lot more circumspect. Besides the reasonable risk of copping a spray for being a patronising, penis equipped porcine plunderer of pudenda, I’m with others now regarding carry-on baggage.

    When I travel for business, I usually have one regulation size backback, which has a weeks worth of stuff and even my laptop and iPad. I electronically check in, and head straight out to board the flight. The biggest hold up now (besides slot staggering into SKSA) is the plethora of bogans who can now afford airfares, stuffing bulging, cheap luggage into overhead lockers, then climbing over punctual people to wedge their flabby mudflaps into a seat at least half too small, then reversing the exercise on arrival. I could be out the door, into a cab and halfway to work if not for these ignorant, bovine behemoths and their wheeled cases full of calories and thongs that defy several laws of physics. And I usuall get stuck with one of their drooling, hydrocephalic offspring, who’s incubating several strains of respiratory and intestinal virus and parasites.

    Help them? Maybe into a woodchipper.

  38. MemoryVault

    A lot of the problem stems from the fact that many Australian women don’t understand simple courtesy. At a male-dominated workplace like a mine site, after a meeting the men will head for the door, and usually the first man will hold the door open for the others.

    The others will usually acknowledge with a “thanks”, or maybe just a slight nod of the head as they pass. This has nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with courtesy – just a simple recognition that this is the best and most efficient way for a group of people to pass through a doorway.

    Many women, on the other hand, are so up themselves they think its personal, and all about them.

  39. incoherent rambler

    Opening doors, lifting bags, giving up your seat etc. I told my 15 yo boys that it was a fast route to a root.
    By the time they are 20, it is an ingrained habit.

  40. Tel

    My dearest only helps two types of women…those who are his age and older (and most likely to appreciate help and not spray nastiness) and young mothers (and dads) travelling with infants. And of course, I help too in the same circumstances.

    Same, and in both cases I politely ask first, never stick my hands into someone else’s business, and in about 90% of cases they say, “no thanks” and as far as I’m concerned that’s the end of the matter. I also note that usually older ladies are more likely to ask directly for a hand, which is fine.

  41. egg_

    the plethora of bogans who can now afford airfares

    Yup, it’s now getting like public transport in that you never know if you’ll get stuck next to a porcine with BO, bad manners, etc.

  42. Fleeced

    …bearing in mind the author of this dribble…

    …drivel :)

  43. Kaboom

    Habib – you wax poetic this afternoon, not to mention your carefully inserted alliteration.

    Magnificent to behold in its intensity.

  44. Carpe Jugulum

    And I usuall get stuck with one of their drooling, hydrocephalic offspring,

    1. Habib your missive made me laugh out loud.

    2. 2 words – Business Class.

  45. Fleeced

    I routinely help young mums with prams up steps/into and off trains etc.

    I confess, I avoid helping with that one… never sure how the contraptions work, and afraid I might do more harm than good.

  46. Kaboom

    Fleeced, yeah, I was in two minds about either “dribble” or “drivel”.

    I concluded “dribble” as the most apposite appellation. It did take a bit of thought, though…

  47. calli

    Besides the reasonable risk of copping a spray for being a patronising, penis equipped porcine plunderer of pudenda

    That was a thing of beauty, that was.

    You MCP you!

  48. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    2 words – Business class

    Always worth it on certain types of aircraft, as you cop the envious looks from those dragging their revolting brats through to cattle class.

  49. Women don’t want equality…

    And when the local ladies ask what happened chivalry I state the obvious “you dopey bastards killed it”.

  50. Fleeced

    Fleeced, yeah, I was in two minds about either “dribble” or “drivel”.

    It’s all good, Kaboom. Technically, they mean the same thing anyway, but “drivel” seems more appropriate… I only really commented on it to try and stir up Gab – last time she used it, we ended up arguing about it :)

  51. Mike of Marion

    Ah reminds me!!! Coming home from America in 1974. Overhead lockers and a bloke tried to load 2 Chevy V8 Cylinder heads in the above lockers!!!! NO, No, No!

  52. coz

    You really need an airline for special people like yourselves, a special airline.

  53. Tal

    Oh no more first world problems

  54. brc

    Ha I know a sizea me cohort of single women who partied through their twenties, snobbed through their thirties and are racing up to 40 with no fella, and no normal way of getting themselves a kiddie before it is too late. One of them I know went for a fatherless sprog by turkey baster just before clicking over 40, but most don’t have the courage to do that. Meanwhile, I know so many chaps who married Asian, English, American and even South African types. They all have what might be charitably described as a personality diametrically opposite to Gillard and her cronies.

    I have been working with a young lass from South Carolina. She not only presents beautifully, but is unfailingly nice, polite and of a sunny disposition. I have not met he r husband but I bet he is thrilled to bits with his wife. Next to a tattooed Chardonnay swilling slapper from Sydney there would be no question who would get all the fellas.

  55. Fleeced

    You really need an airline for special people like yourselves, a special airline.

    A private jet might be nice.

  56. coz

    I think y’all have a lot more in common than you realise with the authoress of the article

  57. Gab

    I concluded “dribble” as the most apposite appellation.

    I agree in some cases this imagery needs to be evoked, something that ‘drivel’ just cannot accommodate. But then the grammar nazi got stuck into me. Yes, I’m looking at you and you know who you are.

  58. calli

    I prefer to travel pointy end…I have enough FFP’s to take me to Pluto and back.

    Another first world problem, Tal. :)

  59. Carpe Jugulum

    I have enough FFP’s to take me to Pluto and back.

    200,000 Velocity points and counting.

  60. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Katarina Kroslakova can go and get stuffed – she is a self styled corporate power princess and this is her age of equality in which she must compete on even terms in every facet and all the time or get out. Carry your own bags girlie.

    “Quit hitting on me” … an ordinary looking eastern European with a big gob? – err, no; “and help me out” … where’s the “please”, from the self absorbed bitch? No manners, no class, no lady.

  61. Kaboom

    “pointy end”, eh?

    Whoever heard of a plane reversing into a mountain?

  62. calli

    It’s those concrete accounts paid by Amex wot does it, Carpe! :)

  63. Carpe Jugulum

    I think y’all have a lot more in common than you realise with the authoress of the article

    You mean a self absorbed asshat who wants to play the victim when it suits them?, I think you have a lot more in common than you realise with the authoress of the article peanut.

  64. Carpe Jugulum

    It’s those concrete accounts paid by Amex wot does it, Carpe

    I’m subsidised by big timber and big structural steel myself. ;)

  65. Nanuestalker

    I guess it can happen in Australia after all but I am surprised.

    After standing aside to allow a young lady to get to the bar, she thanked me. “You’re welcome”I replyed with received the immediate response:
    “Oh, now it makes sense, you’re not Australian.”
    Of coarse I knew the real reason was that she was stunning! :)

  66. john constantine

    the foul mouthed abuse that a small number of womyn thrill themselves with spewing out whenever a ‘man’ tries to inflict old style gender roles upon them stays with a bloke for a long time. i wouldn’t lift a finger to assist a woman under 70,unless she asked first. just burnt out.

  67. Fleeced

    I agree in some cases this imagery needs to be evoked, something that ‘drivel’ just cannot accommodate.

    But that’s exactly what it does convey… not my fault you don’t know the meaning of words :)

    Seems to be increasingly common to use “dribble” though… evolution of language and all that, I guess – the words meant exactly the same thing historically, and looks like they will again soon enough. I’ve decided to give up pushing things like this for that reason… well, that and the fact that I really don’t know enough about grammar to be a grammar nazi, and would likely just embarrass myself.

    I’ll probably always complain about logic errors though – double negatives and the like.

  68. calli

    I’m still puzzled by the ‘hitting on’ stuff though.

    You get on a plane. You have heavy luggage that you attempt to get into the overhead locker (been there, done that, I’m 5foot 2 and a half). Some bloke says ‘here, luv, I’ll do it’, shoves the bag in the locker and returns to his seat. You say ‘thank you very much’.

    Bloody hell, it’s not that difficult, is it?

  69. coz

    Shitty guy – You mean a self absorbed asshat who wants to play the victim when it suits them?, I think you have a lot more in common than you realise with the authoress of the article peanut.

    I don’t play the victim, the obvious exclusion of people with disabilities from the legal/financial/employment privileges accorded to other ‘victim’ categories is rich territory to expose the hypocrisy of the whole culture of victimier-than-thou.

    Self absorption is pretty normal, surely we live in a narcissistic age, very ably demonstrated by most of the people in this thread. I think that is a ‘you’re the same as us’ accusation and I’m going to dismiss it on those grounds.

  70. Marcus

    I was a Boy Scout. I help. I don’t give a f**k. My feminist 24 yo daughter told me recently that a “gentleman opens doors and waits”.

  71. Carpe Jugulum

    I don’t play the victim

    And on cue you then play the victim. Your degree from clown college is paying off now.

  72. Aussiejohn

    Offering my seat in a bus elicited an abusive rejoinder about thinking her demented. Opening a door brought a strong reprimand about the woman’s abilities.

    Such rudeness causes one to hesitate!

  73. egg_

    Bloody hell, it’s not that difficult, is it?

    Apparently, so.
    Q. Can I help you with your emotional baggage, Katarina?

  74. Robbo

    I must be lucky because I have no hesitation helping a woman with a suitcase and I often stand in a tram to give a woman a seat. All I have ever received is a smile and a thank you.

  75. Wozzup

    I am of the rather old fashioned type who is inclined to reflexively help a woman when she is struggling with heavy luggage or some such. But I can admit to feeling a twinge of pique when I dwell on the thought that she might be an ardent womens libber who demands equality – when it suits her. But is never the less willing to play the weak woman card when its convenient. As some do. And then there is the abuse factor. If she happens to be of the extreme persuasion there is always a risk of getting a mouthful of abuse simply because you offered. Life is no longer simple when gender roles are thrown into the air.

  76. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From james at 4:04 pm:

    “Women who get upset about men no longer giving a crap should direct their blame at the sisterhood.

    Feminism … all the benefits of maleness without any of the costs.

    And from my experiences travelling around the world Urban, Educated Australian women seem to be amongst the very worst.

    There are very good reasons why most of my married friends [all late 20s early 30s] chose women born outside this country.”

    I can assure them that is one of the best decisions they’ll make – I enthusiastically recommend that solution to any young bloke who will listen. All the rest of what you say is true.

    At 40 and available I encountered what brc outlines at 5:36pm:

    “I have been working with a young lass from South Carolina. She not only presents beautifully, but is unfailingly nice, polite and of a sunny disposition. … Next to a … Chardonnay swilling slapper from Sydney there would be no question who would get all the fellas.”

    They are dead set frightening, barracudas who sense a dollar from an ocean away, self obsessed, emotionally crippled, every one of ‘em damn near a Kim Sattler to a greater or lesser degree. What an eye opener it was – that period stands out as one of the most terrifying experiences of my life!

  77. coz

    Shitty guy - And on cue you then play the victim. Your degree from clown college is paying off now.

    I don’t know what your problem is son, I don’t actually know who you are or anything about you, you’re not a poster I’ve ever ‘met’ here. Maybe you need a drink. I don’t want to be cluttering up the thread with your ‘I don’t like you’ posts. Maybe you’ll like me if you knew me better. Lets leave it at that.

  78. Kaboom

    Look, the rules are simple:

    Cattle-class – “carry-on” within certain dimensions, and 7 Kg maximum. As some lucid poster pointed out above, if you can’t lift 7Kg, you really need your DSP and carer on board.

    Fuck’s sake, these people (including the Princess, which I noted above) are simply lugging their stuff on board to avoid the proles at the collection carousel (as another lucid poster said) and fuck off to the early cabs.

    These people give me the shits, frankly, and when they whine that they are not accorded “appropriate” responses for assistance from business “men” on an early flight.

    Sweet tears, Princess. Is that a pea under your fucking mattress?

  79. Carpe Jugulum

    I don’t actually know who you are or anything about you,

    That is a blessing.

    you’re not a poster I’ve ever ‘met’ here

    Been posting here longer than you.

    I don’t want to be cluttering up the thread

    An excellent idea, go have your coffee enema.

  80. Carpe Jugulum

    bitchay quean!

    Baka yoro.

  81. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Habib
    #1200001, posted on February 23, 2014 at 5:10 pm

    Good to see you back on form, mate.

    I use just two bags. Mobile office (backpack) and one good quality check-in. Overnight or for a month, same deal. Mind you, for an overnight, the check in is 2/3 empty.

    Of course, for tomorrow and Tuesday out in the boonies I have to lug along a secure briefcase too, all for a few sheets of freaking paper.

    Grrr.

  82. Amfortas

    Can happen anytime, anywhere. Just add an entitlement female and Bob’s your toast.

    Oh, and on Oz aircraft, a man is not allowed to sit next to a child. He is assumed to be a rapist / paedophile. Despite being in a narrow metal tube with 300 other people in close proximity at 30’000 ft, he is likely to assault the child. I’d like to see a woman lift that baggage.

  83. Rabz

    Bloody hell – so much whining, so little time.

    I travel by air for work, a lot. When I have to, I routinely assist people as is necessary – given I always have a window seat, anyone who offers to grab my laptop bag from the locker is sincerely thanked for their courtesy.

    Some rules to help travellers avoid entitled dragons:

    - Enter the airplane early, head up the aisle and take your seat.

    Oops – that’s one rule.

    Simples.

    :)

  84. calli

    I am of the rather old fashioned type who is inclined to reflexively help a woman when she is struggling with heavy luggage or some such.

    Bless you Wozzup…on behalf of all the 50 something, vertically challenged real ‘ladies’ who travel in ‘planes.

  85. .

    Due to sheer laziness, I often end up in the middle seat, therefore in the middle of a fascinating peacock display. Last week, on my left we had Peacock #1: a PhD graduate who felt emotional IQ was a more powerful tool in management wars than an MBA.
    On my right, Peacock #2: a high-powered executive in the liquor industry who gave me a detailed analysis of their top-sellers.

    I bet she is the kind of woman who says “but there are no good men out there”

  86. Lochlinnie

    Gee, you must be really “hot” to have so many guys “hitting” on you. Ever thought that you may be giving out “pick me up” signals? Funny how other woman can travel on these flights and don’t feel every male they speak to is “hitting” on them. Every asked OTHER women what their experience has been?
    As for your bag madam, you packed it, you carry it. And can please hurry up, the rest of us would like the plane to leave on time. Or were you late as well?

  87. Carpe Jugulum

    I am of the rather old fashioned type who is inclined to reflexively help a woman when she is struggling with heavy luggage or some such.

    Rightly so, i also tip my hat to ladies and open doors for them and where possible try to conduct myself as a gentleman in the old school sense, but, if you bring check in luggage as a carry on then expect no mercy.

  88. James of the Glen

    “You didn’t open the door because I’m a woman, did you?!”

    “No, I did it because I’m a gentleman.”

    End of conversation. Works every time.

  89. A Lurker

    I am a middle-aged woman, and because I was brought up in a household with Conservative and old-fashioned principles I gladly offer help to the elderly, to a young mum, or someone else who is struggling, or is in some fashion unable to cope. I will also gladly accept help, although I’d have to say that I don’t get many offers of assistance (my husband is the exception, he is a gentleman born).

    It is sad to see so many men with such a poor opinion of Australian women. Yes, there are those who carry attitude around with them, but we’re not all like that, and to brand all because of some experiences in the past, is unfortunate.

    If I were a man I would politely offer “Need a hand with that luv?” and then see what happens. You might be surprised to find that there are women in Australia who understand courtesy and know how to both give it, and receive it.

  90. Habib

    Usually only do BNE-SYD, not worth coughing the extra for business, although FFPs are building up. Don’t do it so often now, I’ve convinced most of my southern clients to let me dial in remotely. Defence now won’t book anyone BC, even star rank. That said, usually used to get bumped on QF. Now it’s cheapest available, and all we get generally is surly indifference. Whilst still a RAAFie though I used to get a lot better service, they must’ve thought I was aircrew, and they had someone to do a Ted Sriker if the flight deck decided to do a few cones and shooters mid flight. If it was an Airbus they could let one of the labradors out of his petpak in the hold to look after finals.

  91. Baldrick

    FMD what’s the big deal?
    What does it take to help a fellow traveller?

  92. Tintarella di Luna

    There are very good reasons why most of my married friends [all late 20s early 30s] chose women born outside this country.

    Italian country girls are nice.

  93. Kaboom

    Baldrick:

    FMD what’s the big deal?
    What does it take to help a fellow traveller?

    WTF? Some self-entitled bitch (irrespective of pedigree) requires assistance to raise and locate an obviously greater than 7Kg item into an overhead locker? Jesus fucking Christ…

    Take it from me – I will have my eyes downcast, and arms folded too.

    Obviously you haven’t flown single-class with overflowing overhead for quite some time.

  94. Grigory M

    It seems that none of the “peacocks” was actually “hitting” on her, except to the extent that she imagined it. Perhaps that was the problem. It’s a good thing she wasn’t on fire – maybe none of them would have (if you get my drift).

  95. Habib

    I’d also wager my left kidney and a few feet of colon that the same ignorant, self-important twats who block the aisle on airlines with their wheezy attempts to stuff hold baggage into the overhead locker are the same ill-mannered gits who hurtle past a queue of traffic approaching a lane closure in the closed lane, then flick on their indicator at the head of the queue. Some pillock invariably lets them in- I’ve stared down the arseholes many times. I’d cop panel damage rather than pander to their skywhale-sized ego. The same pricks dump a pile of shopping at the checkout, then bugger off to look for profiteroles and organic kale. I’m inclined to sweep it onto the floor, but I’d be the one who was turfed out.

  96. Nic

    Habib, add zipping into a parking space you were waiting for too lol.

  97. coz

    I’m not sure if heteros understand the extent to which misogny and misandry are driven and fostered by closet cases. Genuine heteros have nothing to gain from hating the opposite sex but homosexuals thrive on fostering that division.

  98. On the other hand the poor bloke in question at 6:30am may not have twigged that anyone, even a half starved travel and lifestyle writer, may struggle with a 7kg bag.

  99. egg_

    Habib, add zipping into a parking space you were waiting for too lol.

    A little old lady did that to me back in my home town during Xmas Eve shopping.

    When I asked her “what the…”, she said “I’m only going to Medicare” (not even in the same centre, FFS).
    To which I replied “I hope you need it!”

  100. David

    Whoever heard of a plane reversing into a mountain

    Nup, doesn’t happen.

    But for the remote chance of an extra 0.22 seconds of existence I’ll settle for paying the cost of Business Class and be comfortable. [well mostly the client pays except when its holiday travel] And I’ll be there to greet you where ever it is we go to – Paradise, Heaven, Valhalla [ I'd like to qualify for that one if the bugger's would let me take a sword on board to hold as we approach the mountain].

    And at 72 I still open doors for women, stand up and surrender my seat and all that stuff and James of the Glen I use the same retort where necessary. Shuts the harpies up immediately.

    All my mother’s fault and I stick with it as if there is an after-life I could do without her lecturing me on manners for eternity – or if its Valhalla until the Spinners finally finish.

    Wyrd bid ful araed

  101. brennan

    I open doors, stand for older men and women on the bus and regularly offer to assist lift or carry if I think someone needs a hand. If they abuse me for it then they have no manners or class, so stuff them. It’s not going to stop me doing what I think is the right thing to do. However, in my experience, any sort of negative reaction is very rare, even more so since I moved to the Western Suburbs.

  102. calli

    “pointy end”, eh?

    Whoever heard of a plane reversing into a mountain?

    Lol. Tis true, aeroplanes have two ‘pointy ends’, like all living beasts. One is the pooping end, and the other is the eating end. Give me al a carte end any day.

  103. David

    I’m with you Calli. The a-la-carte end is the way to go.

    And I love sitting up the front pointy bit in my work boots, cotton drill trousers and fluoro shirt among the grey flannel brigade. It’s almost as good as going into the Business Class Lounge and have some dolly bird tell you that this is the BCL before she looks at your boarding pass.

    Life’s innocent little pleasures.

    And despite some comments about QANTAS there is no way I’d fly with the cloth heads – small religious problem.

  104. Tardell G

    The author is Michael Smith’s wife?
    Gotta love plebs who are too cheap to check their luggage, and instead try to shove their crap in the overhead lockers.
    If you can’t afford to check your bags don’t fucking fly!

  105. .

    I put my briefcase at my feet. Much easier on everyone.

  106. Fleeced

    Speaking of heavy hand luggage, I confess to being one of those who crams his carry-on with heaps of stuff on those rare occasions I’m forced to travel. Usually has my laptop amongst other essentials, so can get heavy pretty quickly.

    I recall one stay in Melbourne where I checked into hotel for conference but room wasn’t ready, so I handed in my luggage for their little storage room, and the reception, realising I had just the one pack said, “Oh, travelling light?” — a second before trying to pick it up and realising it weren’t so light. Hehe.

  107. “The author is Michael Smith’s wife?”

    The Czechoslovakian Princess? I think that is how the illustrious M Smith refers to his wife…

  108. Simple really. 10 points is all it takes to understand?!? http://is.gd/pYolNC

  109. egg_

    Whoever heard of a plane reversing into a mountain?

    ‘Plane Crash’ on SBS at 8:30 does a deliberate plane crash complete with crash test dummies to observe just what happens.

  110. Andrew

    The author is Michael Smith’s wife?

    Fuck me, so it is! I always thought the Czech Princess was some kind of mail-order. But an Age journo? Hopefully she’s an infiltrator of the communist regime rather than a part of it – would hate to see Smith lost to the good side.

  111. coz

    ^
    isn’t that buying into the divide and conquer, victimier-than-thou bullshit, though?

  112. Fleeced

    …would hate to see Smith lost to the good side.

    For having a lefty wife? Harsh…

    Didn’t he work for Fairfax himself?

  113. lem

    Have I gone back in time and somehow entered an episode of Seinfield? At least, it seems this is about nothing…..

  114. twostix

    So to paraphrase a post a quote from a few weeks ago: Ms Grrrrrrl Power! thinks she’s so empowered she thinks she can fight in bitter hand to hand battle side by side with men in Kabul or against a 6’4″ 120kh male on a lone and dark night as a police officer…but she needs a 50 year old engineer to lift her bag over her head for her.

  115. lem

    Twostix, that seems to be it, and it is so absolutely shocking it has to be reported in the executive living section of the Age!

  116. coz

    Have I gone back in time and somehow entered an episode of Seinfield? At least, it seems this is about nothing…..

    myeah, slow news day, filler piece.

  117. nerblnob

    I routinely help people put up or retrieve their hand luggage on my trips to Aus/NZ. I haven’t noticed any difference between Australia and Europe in that regard.

    The issue is usually height, not weight. So I do it more often for women, because they’re usually shorter. It speeds up the process for everyone.

    While I try to keep within limits, there are all sorts of reasons why you might occasionally find yourself with an oversize or overweight bag.

  118. David

    there are all sorts of reasons why you might occasionally find yourself with an oversize or overweight bag

    I agree just so long as they are not sitting alongside you.

  119. lem

    Anyway, how did she know the guy was an engineer? Huh? Did he have a slide rule sticking out of his shirt pocket?

  120. calli

    Anyway, how did she know the guy was an engineer? Huh? Did he have a slide rule sticking out of his shirt pocket?

    Or was he just pleased to see her? :D

  121. lem

    Thanks calli, I was hoping someone would come good on the follow through :)

  122. nerblnob

    I agree just so long as they are not sitting alongside you

    Most unchivalrous!

    I presume she knew this guy was an engineer because of his “peacock behaviour”, while he was trying to chat her up on some other flight in the same week. Though that doesn’t sound like any engineers I know. The staring at his shoes bit does.

    Really, I’m not a morning person and would not like to be judged on my 6am (meaning up at 4am to get dressed showered and to airport) demeanour. Other than that I don’t find much objectionable in the article which is just a space filler.

  123. lem

    And anyway, in this day and age why is she getting a plane at 6 am to interview people for the (no doubt) hard hitting stories she writes? Hasn’t she realised that the rectangular object she is holding to her ear in the attached photo is capable of of bypassing the nuisance of having to get up at 4 am, dolly herself up and have to submit herself to the endless lechering of fellow travellers, when they are not refusing her assistance?

    This really is an episode of Seinfield, isn’t it?

  124. Ed

    I promise you, I won’t get angry or defensive or give you attitude, I’ll in fact be super-grateful and flash you an extra-big smile despite the lack of sleep.

    I have no intention of doing favours for women so they can show me a bit of attention.
    Thanks but no thanks.

  125. egg_

    This really is an episode of Seinfield, isn’t it?

    Can I shove the bag in the overhead locker… and then steal her seat?

  126. AP

    No, all us engineers have “I’m an engineer” tattooed on our foreheads. How does she know the poor bloke doesn’t have a chronic back injury? Personally, I would have probably done the same. The weight limit for cabin baggage is 8kg. It sounds like she had about triple her allowance.

  127. lem

    Pretty dumb article is all I can say. Publishing your paranoid beliefs about something so trivial is right up there with commenting on a blog about it……..

  128. Gab

    Yes I was also wondering how she knew he was an engineer and how she knew his age. maybe she’s also a psychic.

  129. Notafan

    Well I for one am grateful for help if struggling to hoist a heavy bag on the train into a high rack can be an issue travelling overseas but on a plane I stick to the limit actually I wouldn’t have even realise someone was struggling on the plane as I would assume they were only carrying the seven kilos.
    My son got a nice exposure to Southern manners in the US, it was a very pleasant experience for me too.

  130. David

    Did he have a slide rule sticking out of his shirt pocket?

    Slide rule? Haven’t used one of them for 30 years. Mine sits alongside my other ancient memorabilia.

    Hewlitt Packard fixed that up – small, quick and easier on eyes what are not as young as they used to be.

  131. lem

    Yep Gab, she’s a straight out mind reader! She can tell just from small talk with fellow travellers, that they are hitting on her. It is fully confirmed when they don’t actually mention their wives until some time into the conversation!

    This is amazing because if someone I am travelling with makes small talk and then mentions their wife, the last thing I think is that they are trying to hit on me. God knows how many timesI have missed the opportunity of feeling slighted. Just got off the plane and on with my life. Think of all the amazing stories I could have written, if only I was seeing things the right way!

  132. Notafan

    It implies that if he wasn’t married he might have been in luck.

  133. nerblnob

    Come on, it was just a slightly ranty opinion piece about the hassle of 6am flights. You’ve got to be at least slightly provocative in that kind of piece to get anyone to read to the end.

    People are dreaming if they think internet and phone substitute for personal contact. Wasn’t that the Green fantasy? (except when they just have to be at James Price Point or a climate conference).

    The fact is that internet and “globalisation” has increased our range of contacts and business opportunities, so therefore – more travel, not less.

  134. Leigh Lowe

    Well I for one am grateful for help if struggling to hoist a heavy bag on the train into a high rack can be an issue travelling overseas but on a plane I stick to the limit actually I wouldn’t have even realise someone was struggling on the plane as I would assume they were only carrying the seven kilos.

    Spot on.
    I stick to the limit so anyone – male or female – who turns up with an overstuffed lap-top bag, a non regulation travel bag, a suit-pack and a monster handbag as carry-on baggage can get fucked.
    The grrrrl power team on Channel 10 this morning was bemoaning that people in London wouldn’t give up a seat on the Underground for a pregnant woman.
    My initial reaction …. you wanted equality ….. welcome to it!

  135. Mrs Beardsley

    I was horrified when me little lefty mate told me she was offended that a man had offered to carry a case of wine upstairs for her. She declined the assistance.

    Do such women not realise that refusing a genuinely helpful offer like that is akin to refusing to shake someone’s extended hand?

    Feminism has utterly destroyed the relationship between the sexes.

    We need Doris Day more than ever now.

  136. lem

    “People are dreaming if they think internet and phone substitute for personal contact. Wasn’t that the Green fantasy? (except when they just have to be at James Price Point or a climate conference).”

    Seeing how tele health was the apparent whole reason behind the NBN……

    Anyway, I feel I have every right to rant right back about stupid reporting in the age because I am one of those losers who still have shares in Fairfax, and everytime something dumb like this is printed I feel the share price slide.

  137. Pedro the Ignorant

    Who even talks to the pax next to them on a flight, much less heave their luggage about for them?

    That’s what noise cancelling headphones, iPods, and laptops are for.

    A nod and a “good morning” for politeness sake, then off to electronic la-la land.

  138. Notafan

    I saw three blokes in Brunswick Rd on Saturday morning bringing a homeowner the NBN (apparently as there was signs of digging in the driveway). The only thing I wondered was what the overtime rate was.

  139. calli

    The grrrrl power team on Channel 10 this morning was bemoaning that people in London wouldn’t give up a seat on the Underground for a pregnant woman.

    Be careful, Leigh! I worked with a girl who was heavily pregnant and asked a young gent to give her his seat (1979 Penrith to Central). She was feeling a little light headed. He said ‘what the hell for?’ She was promptly sick all over him.

    Sometimes chivalry pays.

  140. Notafan

    Yeah to no talking, especially if they are close relatives, shesh there are rules on aeroplanes !

  141. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Pedro the Ignorant at 9:57 pm:

    “Who even talks to the pax next to them on a flight …”

    Eh? What is a “pax next to them”?

  142. coz

    someone styling themselves as ‘Mrs’ ‘Beardsley’ ‘beard’, geddit? – Feminism has utterly destroyed the relationship between the sexes.

    no, homosexuality fosters and promotes the fake division between genuine heteros because they have everything to gain from it.

  143. I open doors, stand for older men and women on the bus and regularly offer to assist lift or carry if I think someone needs a hand. If they abuse me for it then they have no manners or class, so stuff them.

    Amen to that. I do the same, and I’m a 5-foot-nothing lady who will not see 40 again without a time machine.

    I can’t remember a single instance of anyone abusing me for offering to help them, male or female, young or old. I’ve had ‘No thanks, I’m fine’ a few times, but mostly people have been grateful and have always had a smile and a ‘thanks’ for my help, however trifling.

    Nor have I ever seen anyone given a serve – male or female – for offering to help anyone. And that’s with a life crammed with incident, accident, plenty of travel, plenty of time on public transport, and plenty of time in hospitals of all kinds.

    I’m not denying that it happens, but I only ever hear it second- or third- or fourth-hand.

    It’s not going to stop me doing what I think is the right thing to do. However, in my experience, any sort of negative reaction is very rare, even more so since I moved to the Western Suburbs.

    Perhaps that’s the secret of my success – I’ve avoided hipster zones and inner-city terraced areas like the plague.

    As to how I’ve been treated by other people – well, mostly I am ignored, but if I need help, I do not hesitate to ask. Especially when I can’t reach things in the supermarket. I find a tall and preferably good-looking man and ask for his help, which seems to tickle both of us.

    On occasion, I have had to ask a young person (schoolkids and older) to stand up on public transport for an older person or pregnant woman. I do not hesitate to do this, and I have a particularly steely voice under the polite smile which seems to discourage any back-chat.

  144. PS If a man holds the door open for me, I always – and I mean always – thank him. The same if he lets me go out of the lift first, or opens a car door, or anything of that kind.

    This is called ‘courtesy’.

  145. We need Doris Day more than ever now.

    I’m sorry, but we never needed Doris Day in the first place.

    Ever.

  146. lem

    “Who even talks to the pax next to them on a flight, much less heave their luggage about for them?”

    Exactly. I never bothered, and I am just now beginning to appreciate how many times I missed the fact that guys, maybe even engineers, were trying to hit on me. The way the article cited is written, one gets the impression just about everyone in the cabin was making a play, so she must have be going up and down the aisles interviewing all the peacocks to see how long it would take for them to mention their wives.

    She would have been better to shut her gob and put her earplugs in. Or do some upper arm exercises in preparation for disembarkation.

  147. David

    Eh? What is a “pax next to them”?

    Mick it is allegedly smart “insider” talk for passenger. Has nothing to do with the Latin “peace”.

  148. .

    You’re a freakshow coz, buzz off.

  149. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Philippa Martyr at 10:04 pm:

    “PS If a man holds the door open for me, I always – and I mean always – thank him. The same if he lets me go out of the lift first, or opens a car door, or anything of that kind.”

    Oh dear, oh dear!

    I’ve just realised I might bump dear Philippa boarding a flight somewhere, be helpful and courteous only to then have her discover I’m Mick who says his say on Catallaxy. An hour or so at 30,000 feet getting dressed down on my opinion on this and that, correcting my grammar and re-setting my attitude to better suit the modern world!

    Oh dear!

  150. .

    No coz, fuck off. You asked me if on was on the payroll of the russians the other day for applauding Tymoshenko and the Ukrainian revolt.

    You alcohol addled fuckhead.

  151. only to then have her discover I’m Mick who says his say on Catallaxy. An hour or so at 30,000 feet getting dressed down on my opinion on this and that, correcting my grammar and re-setting my attitude to better suit the modern world!

    Not so. I would immediately extend my paw, shake yours firmly, and ask after your good lady.

    And then we would make small talk about the other nitwits on this blog and laugh our socks off.

  152. coz

    sorry folks another issue, just carry on.

    —————–

    No, clot, you FO. I asked you if you were in the employ of soros, as so many fake ‘fweedom’ types are. How do you account for this 2011 story?

    ”http://rt.com/politics/leading-party-soros-prepares/

    clot, shall we adjourn to the other room where you can give me an explanation for this 2011 article?

  153. .

    I asked you if you were in the employ of soros, as so many fake ‘fweedom’ types are. How do you account for this 2011 story?

    You’re even more batshit crazy than we first thought.

    You should be locked up for your own good, you pathetic loser.

    The explanation is, you insufferable arseclown, that RT isn’t really credible and Soros is a big money socialist whom libertarians oppose.

    Fucking turkey.

  154. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From David at 10:11 pm:

    “Eh? What is a “pax next to them”?

    Mick it is allegedly smart “insider” talk for passenger. Has nothing to do with the Latin “peace”.”

    Thank you David. I first started moving about when some of the the bloody things had propellers and I’ve not heard that one.

    I suppose using it is modern-clever, a bit like ostentatiously flashing one’s Qantas Air Vice Commodore Club membership card at suburban barbeques; or loudly striding about the Club whilst on one’s mobile (the beginning of that particular era amused as mightily).

  155. coz

    It’s not appropriate to hijack this thread, clot, I’m in the other room, see you there.

  156. .

    What’s the theory, freakshow? You hit the bottle too hard? Was it Soros? Was the Queen in a basement in Prague or was it the Reptilians?

  157. Pedro the Ignorant

    Pax = “passenger”. Sometimes called SOB = “souls on board” if including crew members on an aircraft.

    Shorthand by ATC/ aircrew for accounting for the number of people on board. Aviation speak is full of shorthand and jargon.

    I would have thought most air travellers would be familiar with the term.

  158. .

    No no. It is entirely appropriate to mock conspiracy theory imbeciles until they run off and implode ala Bird.

  159. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Philippa Martyr at 10:20 pm:

    “And then we would make small talk about the other nitwits on this blog and laugh our socks off.”

    :)

  160. calli

    Mick, we used to use pax (passenger) on the telex…good grief remember them. Like brox (brochures). In the pre Cambrian era for those who may be interested.

  161. Pedro the Ignorant

    The snark is strong tonight.

  162. nerblnob

    I’ve had many interesting conversations on planes, sometimes with women. Woopy doo.

    True, most of the time people , including me, don’t want to talk, but … sometimes they do. Woopy doo x 2.

    Some of the time, they are pax with tix on QF.

  163. The snark is strong tonight.

    You’re not a nitwit, Pedro. We’d only talk about the other nitwits.

  164. Gab

    The snark is strong tonight.

    Isn’t it though.

  165. calli

    The snark is strong tonight.

    Time to go hunting….

  166. Grigory M

    pax?

    Certainly no pax vobiscum in Katarina’s article. She writes like Barking Betty. Just makes stuff up to feed the target audience.

  167. johanna

    I’m with Philippa. If someone (male or female) does me a courtesy like opening a door, holding a door or whatever, I smile and say “thank you.” And I do the same for others. It’s not actually a sex-selective thing either way, but basic courtesy.

  168. Grigory M

    The snark is strong tonight.

    Time to go hunting….

    You read Lewis Carroll’s poems, calli.

  169. Habib

    Pax is used by both military and civilian, saves typing and tying up radio/telex bandwidth. Acronyms and abreviations are used all the time. When actually dealing with them, a four letter term is usually substituted for the three. Especially with flights returning from DPS.

  170. calli

    A few slithy toves around this evening. But I’m sure someone will have a vorpal sword at the ready to smite them.

    Anyways, looks as if they have moved to the other thread.

  171. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Standing on public transport for pregnant women – I was always taught that you had to be uncouth, indeed, not to offer your seat to a lady in such a condition.

    Seen on a train in Queensland many years ago – young yobbo, who was asked by the guard to give up his seat to a lady who seemed about to give birth in the next ten minutes or so – gave HER a mouthful of abuse, and took a swing at the guard.

    Guess who got chucked off the train at the next station by a small but angry mob of the passengers?

  172. johanna

    ZKTA – indeed. I have also offered my seat to heavily pregnant women. I have helped women with prams and toddlers in tow. I am a wimminses.

    It’s called courtesy in a civilised culture.

  173. Leo G

    I have helped people and had people help me. Gee I didn’t realise they were trying to pick me up.

    I definitely regret that time I failed to help the impatient woman in her 60s lift down her suitcase from the compartment above my head.

  174. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s called courtesy in a civilised culture

    Fair comment, johanna, but whether or not we live in a civilised culture is open to debate…….

  175. None

    Flight attendants are not required and in some cases outrightly banned from loading passgenger’s luggage into overhead lockers. And if you think that’s balmy, try doing it yourself for 30 or so people in three minutes flat and see how you go. And repeat that a few times a day several days a week.
    Having said this, gentlemen do help ladies or even other gentlemen struggling with luggage. But as someone said above, if you are going to ram 20kg into a bag that should only hold 5kg, then you ought not just to be left alone, but also be kicked off a flight. Overhead lockers do have a weightbearing load and you don’t want one of the to fly open and empty their 20kg contents on your head as has happened to me on a couple of long hauls during bad turbulence. Those who are pilots or aviation freaks would also know that the weight of an aircraft must also be known to calculate fuel requirements etc.

  176. nerblnob

    One thing I’ve learned NOT to say: “Oh , sorry, I thought you were pregnant”

  177. caveman

    I only help if it’s genuine Louis Vuitton luggage.

  178. mundi

    Why can’t the women: just ask.

    Seriously 50% of them would bite your head off for even attempting. To bad if she is in the other 50%. 99% of people helping women in airplanes I see – they ask first.

    On a recent trip to melbourne both times a young women struggled and when I asked “would like a hand” I got a “NO.” and a “are you a wanker” look from them…. so why bother? If you can’t carry and move your own carry on luggage – GTFO.

  179. Stephen of Glasshouse

    We were on a flight out of Sydney last week and my wife ( aisle seat ) had just sat down and was sorting out the lap sash belt. Couple turned up at that moment and with no ado, the husband frostily asked if they could get in. My wife appended his demand with the word ” please ” I gather that the guy’s wife was embarrassed.
    The funny thing was that the couple who had jammed their baggage into a locker a little ways back, forgot which one it was when the plane landed..

  180. JB

    There is a very good reason one sees so many Western men with Asian wives. They have learned all about Australian women from bitter experience. I know I did, which is why I have been very happily married to a Chinese lady for many years. It helps that she is much smarter, richer, and better looking than me.

  181. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    For family reasons I have been flying up and down the East coast frequently during the past two years, sometimes business class, but often in economy. Occasionally my carry-on is heavy-ish because I hate waiting at carousels. Within regulation limits (ulp – mostly). I can easily lift it because I go to the gym, but I always get offers of help from kindly gentlemen of all ages (or airline staff), because I am not very tall (5’4″) and find it harder to reach up to the luggage compartment than many women do. In return I give them my helpers very best smile and say thank you.

    Nobody takes you for a wyminses when you are short, blonde and still a little bit pretty. :)
    Very unfair on the bigger girls though I know. They should practice their ‘assistance needed’ smiles.

  182. Max

    Don’t forget these half starvedcorporate fembots are busily on their way to or from an Pablo from Pilates bedroom. And your opening doors for them??? Hello ??

  183. Notafan

    On the Asian wives, that cuts both ways. My daughter is dating a gentle kind hardworking child loving Asian gentleman. Too many Aussie blokes with the why buy the cow when they can get the milk for free attitude.

  184. Max

    THANK GOD FOR ASIAN WOMEN!!!!

  185. Jessie

    Which brings me to the final dismount. Even before the seatbelt sign goes off, the jackets get put on, the suitcases get territorially placed in the aisle, and the competitive rush to get off that plane begins.
    Of course, I’m left to struggle with my own bag. It’s not that I expect help, it’s just the harshness of it all I find a bit surprising.

    Pfff, if she is really surprised at the harshness of it all she needs to cease the pseudo-psychology of travel, learn more manoeuvres, and concentrate on reading her annual report referred to.
    for ar @ 4.28 or Nancy Sinatra 60s version for the height challenged.

  186. philip j. fry

    That was me, the 50 year old + engineer .. I have a torn ligament in my right shoulder and can’t even lift my right arm above the shoulder, so of course I can’t lift a bag into an overhead locker.

    She probably didn’t notice I had no bag, and only my ipad mini.

    I could see her bag was easily over the 7Kg limit, so figured that this smart fit young woman must be planning to hoist it up herself. Now I realise her planning involves being a pest to some poor bloke on every flight she takes, twice.

    Clearly she didn’t care about my condition, I doubt her caring would extend beyond her own needs.

    I don’t actually see why anyone who brings a big bag on board shouldn’t lift it themselves, if they can’t then don’t bring it.

    Years ago I was at LA airport, and this little old lady asked a bloke to get her bag off the conveyer, it must have weighed a ton and he hurt his back doing it. She toddled off with the bag, now on a trolley.

  187. Chris

    Oh, and on Oz aircraft, a man is not allowed to sit next to a child. He is assumed to be a rapist / paedophile. Despite being in a narrow metal tube with 300 other people in close proximity at 30’000 ft, he is likely to assault the child. I’d like to see a woman lift that baggage.

    Most airlines generally don’t seat unaccompanied minors next to men, but otherwise I don’t believe there are any restrictions. I’ve been seated next to children of all ages when their parents have also been around (even if the parents are in a different row).

    The policy is probably as much protection for the men and perhaps a bias that they believe women are more likely to help young children as anything else (I’ve had random non english speaking elderly Asian people moved next to me on international flights because I’m Asian and they incorrectly thought I’d be able to help communicate) but really its a perk, not a punishment. Who wants to be seated next to a random little kid?

  188. Bill

    But seriously, if she had both arms full trying to benchpress her luggage, you could have pawed any part of her anatomy you fancied. Nothing she could do.

    Show more iniative next time.

  189. johanna

    The unaccompanied minor thing is a whole other thread, and it’s been done at length and in detail elsewhere (even at the Fauxfacts travel site).

    As a wimmens who often travels alone, I am well and truly over airlines dumping kids next to me in the hope that I will be an unpaid nanny for the duration of the flight.

    As for the implied insult that all men are kiddy-fiddlers, I sometimes wonder if it is not just an excuse for the above.

  190. egg_

    She would have been better to shut her gob and put her earplugs in. Or do some upper arm exercises in preparation for disembarkation.

    Pelvic floor muscle exercises sounds more likely…

Comments are closed.