Monday Forum: February 24, 2014

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  1. .

    What I am saying is Ukraine GDP per capita is in the toilet and Tymoshenko is partly responsible for that .

    How so? You don’t think the trumped up charges made in conunction with the Russians may have had something to do with her resisting Russian control of their economy?

    The Tymoshenko years look brighter, besides in 2009 with the fallout from the GFC. Yanukovich and his Russian and Communist allies ran the place into the ground.

    Try any of the free GDP growth tables online for more. Usually GDP hit over 6% on average before 2009 and after Yanukovich consolidated power, it averaged about 0% or less.

  2. .

    The EU has now been directly involved in overthrowing the governments of multiple countries, and as an entity cannot merely be described as “soft dick-headed idiocy” – it’s on cusp of being a new totalitarian state, it is vigorously anti-freedom by any measure and is just as bad if not worse than modern Russia.

    What replaced Qaddafi was even worse but killing him and supporting the Maidan revolution is not equivalent with Putin’s shenanigans like shooting civilian protestors ala Prague Spring.

  3. Makka

    “I don’t really see how this responds to what I said earlier. ”

    The point I make is that threads smothered by the Religious, Conception type debates can turn tedious , I was throwing out another possibility to prevent that.

    In any case , I still agree with Johanna in that dedicated threads for this kind of subject would be helpful.

  4. Makka

    “Putin’s shenanigans like shooting civilian protestors ala Prague Spring”

    You have some evidence Putin instructed the shootings to occur?

  5. Delta A

    Morrison growing daily in political stature. Feisty and articulate: not a peep from the opposition when he has the floor.

  6. For Johanna – intended in the gentlest way

    Lord Brideshead: I believe God prefers drunkards to lot of repectable people.
    Charles Ryder: [exasperated] For God’s sake! Why do you have to bring God into everything?
    Lord Brideshead: Oh I’m sorry, I forgot. But that’s an extremely funny question.
    Charles Ryder: Is it?
    Lord Brideshead: Oh, to me, not to you.

    Bridewshead Revisited Evelyn Waugh

  7. Arnost

    Whilst Tymoshenko was stitched up by Putin and Yanukovich, her “decisssions” also enriched her considerably. Moot point though.

    The US and EU obviously are deep in the machinations of who will run… And the Eff the EU intercept shows that Klischko is a considered a player. And you know, revolutions focused around boilermakers and poets. Why not a boxer? Maybe, just maybe he’s smart enough to realise he needs smart enough people around him … and he’ll listen!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26079957

  8. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From johanna at 2:16 pm:

    “Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Mick.

    I have a couple of dear and old friends who are artists/entertainers, and they certainly leaven my bread.

    But, just as I am the last person they would sensibly ask for advice about what they do, their views on politics and policy are about level with the average Labrador’s, IMO.

    That’s life.”

    That is so funny Johanna, because it is accurate and you remind me that baby brother is the only one of us who did not migrate eventually to the dark side.

    We grew up on an Irish Catholic Labor diet and enjoyed some fabulous arguments about politics around the dinner table, encouraged by our father and dismissed as an incidental distraction by our mother. Eldest sister, an articulate, interested, jolly family leader who had us expect excellence, had her work cut out converting me last but nothing could shift my younger brother from Labor. He rose to address and entertain us on it right until the end.

  9. Makka

    “How so? ”

    Dot, unlike you I am not backing Tymoshenko or Putin on the Ukraine situation. And until the dust settles a bit I think all would be wise to not draw conclusions as to who or what is in charge and their motives. The Ukraine internal situation is very messy and tense – some kind of undeclared civil war is not out of the question. My hope is that a path to economic prosperity and social harmony be found for Ukrainians. I doubt Tymoshenko or Putin can deliver on that.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566299/Dont-fooled-angelic-looks-shes-ruthless-shes-corrupt-A-withering-portrait-Ukraines-saviour-EDWARD-LUCAS-Russia-expert-knows-well.html

  10. Oh come on

    Well, I’m going with whoever has the hot daughter.

  11. .

    I’ll back Tymoshenko until they have another election which is indisputably not rigged. She may or may not get in. She has a lot of followers and is a figurehead. I’ll back her until she’s proven guilty by a court which is beyond a doubt, not corrupt. Trust, then verify. This is why I’ve said Yanukovich set up the election to be rigged (with communist and Russian sympathising allies in the Parliament)…and evidence of any corrupt conduct has not been collected yet.

    Another commenter provided a link to Putin’s shenanigans on the previous open thread. I’ve provided more evidence than anyone else thus far and it wouldn’t harm for others to verify things for themselves occasionally.

    Did you even read the economic data I presented to you? Some people even blame Tymoshenko for the current mess even though that is simply not the case. Whilst she was a Minister and PM, GDP growth hummed along at 6% , bar in 2009 due to the GFC. After Yanukovich consolidated power, for the last two years, it has averaged a tad under 0%.

    I hope you reflect on the idea of choosing between Putin and Tymoshenko. One of them is a foreign head of state.

  12. While I’m at it, in describing the character Charles Mottram, a politician, Waugh neatly sums up Turnbull.

    “He wasn’t a complete human being at all. He was a tiny bit of one, unnaturally developed; something in a bottle, an organ kept alive in a laboratory. I thought he was a sort of primitive savage, but he was something absolutely modern and up-to-date that only this ghastly age could produce. A tiny bit of a man pretending to be whole.”

    ― Evelyn Waugh, Brideshead Revisited

  13. twostix

    Would you prefer someone who (allegedly) steals from the gas company or someone who is complicit in letting a foreign power shoot at protestors?

    They weren’t mere “protestors” dot. They were the opposition, the losers of the last election by definition staging a coup against the elected government. And it appears that the “protestors” were being supported and funded by the EU, it too a “foreign power” which makes their claims to “patriotism”, etc against their labeling the government “Russian puppets” farcical.

    So at best both sides are as bad as each other, but only one side has just overthrown an elected government instead of just waiting for the next election.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    Fisky, call your office. The Bonge needs a hobnail boot to the slats.

  15. Oh come on

    Maybe I should make that hottest, seeing as though I haven’t seen the daughter(s) of the other guy. But if she looks like her old man, I’m definitely not in.

  16. Infidel Tiger

    Labor senator Lisa Singh is concerned about gay detainees on Manus. PNG law prohibits sexual relations between men.

    Am I on acid?

  17. .

    They were the opposition, the losers of the last election

    The opposition now may or may not have individually voted for either Tymoshenko or Yanukovich.

    It is a huge assumption you are making.

  18. .

    Labor senator Lisa Singh is concerned about gay detainees on Manus. PNG law prohibits sexual relations between men.

    What is Indonesian law like?

  19. Sinclair Davidson

    Tony N – We had a deal. I explained to you what it would take for you to return to the Cat. You chose to decline my offer. Your choice. I asked if you were sure that is what you wanted to do, and you assured and reassured me of your choice. Consistent with your wishes and your choice I am disallowing all your efforts to return without meeting the conditions I specified. Now I know you understand that a deal is a deal. I’m holding up my end of the bargain – please honour your end.

  20. twostix

    I’ll back Tymoshenko until they have another election which is indisputably not rigged. She may or may not get in. She has a lot of followers and is a figurehead. I’ll back her until she’s proven guilty by a court which is beyond a doubt, not corrupt. Trust, then verify. This is why I’ve said Yanukovich set up the election to be rigged (with communist and Russian sympathising allies in the Parliament)…and evidence of any corrupt conduct has not been collected yet.

    Oh dot. So you admit you have no evidence. On the other hand:

    A total of 3,149 international observers did monitor the January 17 presidential election in Ukraine

    The election has been widely recognized and endorsed as being fair and an accurate reflection of voters’ intentions by all international agencies observing the election including the OSCE and PACE.

    After the second round of the election international observers and the OSCE called the election transparent and honest

  21. Makka

    A different view of what is going on in Ukraine;

    “Will NATO annexe Ukraine?”

    http://rt.com/op-edge/will-nato-annex-ukraine-414/

    There is already discussions about borders;

    “German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Russian President Vladimir Putin have talked on the phone in a call initiated by Angela Merkel.

    It’s reported the chancellor’s office said both agreed Ukraine’s ‘territorial integrity” must be upheld”

    http://www.euronews.com/2014/02/23/world-leaders-react-to-ukrainian-crisis-as-merkel-and-putin-talk-on-the-phone/

    I am thinking that things are not quite as clear cut as they seem.

    “I hope you reflect on the idea of choosing between Putin and Tymoshenko”

    If you can put forward a scenario between those 2 options only that does not include splitting the country (with much blood) , happy to consider it.

  22. Tal

    What’s a matter Sinc,got your mankini twisted?

  23. Oh come on

    Scott Miller: ‘I’ll stay clean for Charlotte’

    The phoney grief-healing continues.

    Remember, this person was 47 years old when she killed herself. It’s easy to think she was 30 years younger the way everyone’s carrying on.

  24. Sinclair Davidson

    Tal – too hot for the mankini today.

  25. Brian of Moorabbin

    The world of movies and the world of comedy has lost a legend as actor and comedian Harold Ramis has died at the age of 69. The actor had been suffering from a number of health issues in recent years and finally succumbed to his battle with them on Monday.

    The memes have already begun…..

  26. .

    Oh dot. So you admit you have no evidence.

    No, I put a link which got eaten.

    There is no guarantee Tymoshenko will be elected again. She is a figurehead right now. She is valuable to the Maidan movement as of now.

    Good afternoon, Tony N.

  27. Makka

    Scott Miller: ‘I’ll stay clean for Charlotte’

    How manly of him.

  28. Oh come on

    Why would splitting the country result in much blood? I don’t think the western half of the country is under any illusions as to what will happen in the east if they move closer to Europe – it’ll break away and become a larger version of South Ossetia/Abkhazia. If they can manage and formalise this transition, it would be in everyone’s best interests.

  29. Token

    Just catching up now (I see this was referenced upthread).

    LOL, so Albo has his own Obamacare disaster. Big gubbermint delivers again. Thanks Nick Cater.

    The Libs must hang this mess around his neck in preparation for the day that Rub’N'Tug Albo takes over from Moobs Shorten.

  30. Tal

    Lord Sinc are you wearing your muumuu?

  31. .

    Oh come on
    #1203157, posted on February 25, 2014 at 3:21 pm
    Why would splitting the country result in much blood?

    It may reduce any further conflict.

  32. Steve D

    TDH #1202892, posted on February 25, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    As an aside to the current debates regarding QANTAS it is interesting to note that QANTAS Superannuation (Superannuation for current and past QANTAS employers) has recently made a massive investment into Japan Solar – funding the construction of solar power plants across Japan. Surely they could put some money into the company that is employing their members?

    I guess they would rather invest in an industry with more certainty.

  33. Makka

    OCO,

    Here is a map of the ethnicity and languages spoken in Ukraine. A partition would not be anything clean or precise without significant upheaval for large chunks of the population. Has there been a partition of a country postwar that has not ended in much blood being shed?

    http://globalvoicesonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2009-copy.jpg

    If they can manage and formalise this transition”

    Indeed. Or, if they can be allowed to manage….

    I have my doubts.

  34. Oh come on

    Dot, it’s the only way a viable and independent Ukraine could exist. At the moment you have an immovable object and an unstoppable force on a collision course, which seems to me a lot more dangerous than allowing the east to secede in a managed, orderly fashion.

  35. twostix

    There is no guarantee Tymoshenko will be elected again. She is a figurehead right now. She is valuable to the Maidan movement as of now.

    Fair enough.

    I think they’re all as bad as each other and that the Ukraine will once again be in the middle of where most of eastern europe has always been: pulled at, rearranged and configured according to the desires of Germany and Russia. A view that is boosted by Makka’s quote above:

    “German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Russian President Vladimir Putin have talked on the phone in a call initiated by Angela Merkel.

    It’s reported the chancellor’s office said both agreed Ukraine’s ‘territorial integrity” must be upheld”

    Well that’s nice for the Ukraine, their future has been decided for them already.

  36. Oh come on

    Where a partition has not ended in bloodshed? Probably. There are also many examples of partitions/breakups which ended bloodshed.

    It’s generally an endgame rather than a consequence.

  37. Gab

    Scaffolding has collapsed at a building site in O’Riordan Street, Mascot.

    Was it a CFMEU worksite? Ah, of course.

  38. .

    Was it a CFMEU worksite?

    “Anyone but the employee’s responsibility”

  39. Ronaldo

    Has there been a partition of a country postwar that has not ended in much blood being shed?

    Czechoslovakia into Slovakia and the Czech Republic.

  40. Makka

    Ronaldo,
    India, Bangladesh , Pakistan, Biafra, Balkans. The odds are unfavorable I would say. Easy for us who are not there to speculate I suppose.

  41. Ronaldo

    Makka

    I don’t really disagree with your general point; just answering your specific question.

  42. Has there been a partition of a country postwar that has not ended in much blood being shed?

    Czechoslovakia into Slovakia and the Czech Republic.

    Sorta proves the point. There was an existing boundary, the split was simple. The two countries had been separate 70 years before.
    Sorta like splitting Qld from NSW. The boundaries & political structures are pretty much in place.
    Splitting either Qld or NSW into two, now that would be a very different matter.

  43. Driftforge

    Splitting either Qld or NSW into two, now that would be a very different matter.

    Draw a line around the capital city region and be done with it.

    For that matter, the ASGS already has.

  44. Oh come on

    Political leaders are terrified of the idea of the breakup of a state containing a relatively functional society for the same reason that the royal houses of Europe were quick to declare war on the regicidal revolutionary authority in France.

  45. Draw a line around the capital city region and be done with it.

    You won’t get an argument from me. Brisbane is surplus to Queensland’s requirements.
    Though Qld is particularly decentralised (by Ozzi standards) I imagine the (surplus to state requirements) situation is to some extent similar in other states.

  46. Token

    LOL, “Hockey Stick” Mann goes the full Flannery and makes a stupid defamatory statement which will be easy to prove. Ch-ching.

  47. Infidel Tiger

    Radio National just had a piece on George Pell’s move to the Vatican. Who did they interview for comment as an expert… David Marr!

    They might as well have him commentate on Rugby League or write an advice column on cunnilingus for all the knowledge that plonker has on the subject.

  48. Oh come on

    SATP: the dividing line between the pro-Russian east and the nationalist west of Ukraine is very clear. And it would be simpler than you think; not like splitting NSW. A better analogy for the probable split of the Ukraine would be separating NSW, Vic and Qld from SA, NT and WA.

  49. Infidel Tiger

    LOL, “Hockey Stick” Mann goes the full Flannery and makes a stupid defamatory statement which will be easy to prove. Ch-ching.

    Too funny. Bolt must sue.

  50. Has there been a partition of a country postwar that has not ended in much blood being shed?

    Just such scenario crops up continually in Canada. It is cute to watch the behaviour of various demographic groups when faced with the prospect of partition.
    The behaviour isn’t always consistent with their past conduct.

  51. the dividing line between the pro-Russian east and the nationalist west of Ukraine is very clear

    They’ve got the old Russia-Ukraine boundary to work on, true.
    It’ll be interesting to watch. Putin will right now be scratching his head working out how to handle this.
    This may save Obama from being pussy-whipped by Putin for a while.

  52. .

    They might as well have him commentate on Rugby League or write an advice column on cunnilingus for all the knowledge that plonker has on the subject.

    Pfft…rolled gold IT, keep them coming.

  53. Token

    And it would be simpler than you think; not like splitting NSW. A better analogy for the probable split of the Ukraine would be separating NSW, Vic and Qld from SA, NT and WA.

    No, the colonisation by Russians in traditionally Ukrainian communties after the Russian government depopulated large regions via the famines in the 30′s, etc will all come out in such a separation.

    It is better if the country finds a way to heal as the bad blood will most likely lead it to go to hell like Yugoslavia as the tribal anger is played out.

  54. dover_beach

    Radio National just had a piece on George Pell’s move to the Vatican. Who did they interview for comment as an expert… David Marr!

    Unbelievable.

  55. Fisky

    Disgraceful attack on the homosexuals by the Ugandan President. He’s worse than Mugabe.

    “You push the mouth there, you can come back with worms and they enter your stomach because that is a wrong address,” Musaveni said.

    “Homosexuals are actually mercenaries. They are heterosexual people but because of money they say they are homosexuals. These are prostitutes because of money.”

    The bill punishes gay sex with up to life imprisonment, a measure likely to send Uganda’s beleaguered gay community further underground as the police try to implement it amid fevered anti-gay sentiment across the country.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/ugandan-president-yoweri-museveni-signs-worlds-toughest-antigay-laws-compares-them-to-prostitutes/story-fnizhakg-1226837236108

  56. Token

    For more information reference this book which show the demographics of the Ukraine in 1900 (when the western half was part of Poland and the eastern half was claimed by Russia.

    For more history on the Ukraine read on Galicia here.

  57. Amanda McKenzie, Climate Council CEO, and lying bullshit-artist:

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    We hope you will join us on Thursday evening for what is sure to be a lively and informative Q&A

  58. nic

    Radio National just had a piece on George Pell’s move to the Vatican. Who did they interview for comment as an expert… David Marr!

    Marr gave a red carpet view of the frocks

  59. Hon. Barnaby Joyce:

    [Thomson] crossed more lines than a ballroom dancer on a parquetry floor.

  60. twostix

    Splitting either Qld or NSW into two, now that would be a very different matter.

    Rural NSW once demanded it:

    In August 1933, under the new Provisional Government of NSW, a Royal Commission was convened to inquire into, and report on areas of New South Wales suitable for new states, and to ascertain the opinions of electors in those areas proposing self-government. The Commission met on 18 October, and heard evidence from each movement for approximately fourteen months. When the Commission released its findings in early-1935, it found that three areas, including southern New South Wales (Riverina), were suitable as states, and recommended that a referendum be held to determine the voice of the people. Nothing was done. The NSW Government did not act.

    https://www.csu.edu.au/research/archives/collection/regional/agencies/rivmovement

  61. .

    “Homosexuals are actually mercenaries. They are heterosexual people but because of money they say they are homosexuals. These are prostitutes because of money.”

    Right. So no one is actually gay? Who is paying for them, then?

  62. Homosexuals are actually mercenaries.

    Very mercenary I’d say (in that case). There isn’t enough money on this planet for me to decide I’m one.

  63. Rabz

    Right. So no one is actually gay? Who is paying for them, then?

    Big Gay Al?

  64. Nanuestalker

    So no one is actually gay?

    Careful, you may be on to something.

  65. kae

    Ask David Marr.

    He’s a much-consulted expert on lots of things. He might know.

  66. Ask David Marr.

    Could be just the bloke to ask. He may have tips on how to make a career out of this possibly well-paying ..er… occupation.

  67. twostix

    Tim Flannery – the stupidest person on the plant?

    Half of the Great Barrier Reef is already destroyed. If we don’t redouble our efforts to reduce carbon pollution, heat and acid will destroy the rest by century’s end.

    Half??

    They’re literally going mad. Or then again perhaps they were always mad and we simply indulged their madness for a short period. Thank the gods that’s all over now and in the future the period of absolute nuttery from 2007-2012 will be remembered with the same mocking condescension that Phrenology is now talked about.

    Of course had the dangerously deluded clowns like Flannery actually gotten their way, with their demands to shutdown all cheap power, industry, mass farming, their bizarre “plans” to put up mirrors in space to block the sun, suspend democracy, incarcerate objectors etc, etc in the future this period would be remember in the same way we remember communism: the cause of mass death, famine, and tyranny.

  68. C.L.

    Labor senator Lisa Singh is concerned about gay detainees on Manus. PNG law prohibits sexual relations between men.

    So does Australian law for prisons.

    This seems to prove that homosexuality now trumps everything in grievance poker. Not even darky Muslims beat a homo. Although … after hearing the head of the Australian military tell the ABC that he was a “very close relationship” with a man in a dress, I’m now saying that “trans-gender persons” are top of the poker pack.

  69. kae

    Darky muslims wouldn’t beat a homo.

    They’d probably kill him.

    Just a statement of fact.

  70. Ellen of Tasmania

    Or then again perhaps they were always mad and we simply indulged their madness for a short period.

    Give them an inch ….

  71. nic

    Labor senator Lisa Singh is concerned about gay detainees on Manus. PNG law prohibits sexual relations between men.

    Im seriously waiting for them to say placing Muslims in a country that eats pigs is against their human rights. That bus should be along any minute now…

  72. C.L.

    Disgraceful attack on the homosexuals by the Ugandan President.

    Nothing he said was more digraceful or more weird than what Australian politicians say about homosexual ‘marriage.’

  73. Grigory M

    What a damn shame that at the 1967 Referendum the proposal for a New England State was narrowly defeated, primarily because it was strongly opposed by the Labor Party.

    The Proposed 7th State

  74. Myrddin Seren

    Flannery is a fantasist.

    The fact that he was made Australian of the Year by the luvvies as an organic two finger salute to John Howard shows the dysfunctional nature of the whole AGW cult.

  75. Token

    Labor senator Lisa Singh is concerned about gay detainees on Manus. PNG law prohibits sexual relations between men.

    So the hypocrits take the Lord Napier angle when it suits them. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you.

    Typical “progressive”. You can bet she was the type in the past who had hissy fits about former colonial powers imposing their laws and values on their former possessions.

    What right does she have to judge the values of another country? According to multiculturalism, the values in all countries are equal.

    She has created an opening. Time to Alynsky the fool.

  76. Infidel Tiger

    “You push the mouth there, you can come back with worms and they enter your stomach because that is a wrong address,” Musaveni said.

    “Because that is the wrong address”!

    He has a beautiful way with words.

  77. nic

    Juat a question, the luvvies are all golf-clapping Plibersek. How come no one asks her why GM isn’t a Labor endorsed policy, ie, why is it a private member’s bill?

  78. Labor senator Lisa Singh is concerned about gay detainees on Manus. PNG law prohibits sexual relations between men.

    Muslim doctrine ain’t exactly gay-friendly. Being as how most detainess are muslims, & prone to hard-core rioting, Ms Lisa Singh should have asked what is being done to protect gay detainees from their fellow inmates.

    At the entry gate someone could ask:
    Okay, could all of you who are gay please step forward, so’s youse can be identified & thus protected from the others!”

  79. Token

    Nothing he said was more digraceful or more weird than what Australian politicians say about homosexual ‘marriage.’

    FFS. How can we ever figure these victim poker rules?

    So dark skinned African Christians are above olive skinned Muslim Homos, who are above dark skinned Melanisian Christrians.

    What is clear is that White Hetero Male Christians are the bottom of the pile.

  80. Token

    Muslim doctrine ain’t exactly gay-friendly

    They are great believers in the Napier doctrine when it suit them.

  81. C.L.

    Good to see Bolt threaten Michael Mann with News Ltd lawyers.

    Watch him fold.

  82. nic

    Watch him fold.

    I like the guy, but his language is already laced with the suggestion he doesn’t really want to follow through. That turgid email he sent is QED.

  83. C.L.

    Australia: men in dresses in the military … authorities cracking down on cheap petrol:

    But the ACCC says Woolworths is currently offering a bundled discount of up to eight cents per litre, while Coles is offering a discount of as much as 14 cents per litre.

    “We’re alleging that the discount available to people who are dependent on a supermarket purchase is way greater than four cents in both cases,” ACCC chairman Rod Sims said.

    This must be the only country in the world where a government enforcement agency is “alleging” that a company is offering an even better deal than advertised.

  84. Fisky

    Nothing he said was more digraceful or more weird than what Australian politicians say about homosexual ‘marriage.’

    He just signed a bill to throw homosexuals in prison for life and accused homosexuals of being prostitutes. I haven’t heard any Australian politician call for Christians to be thrown in prison for life or call Christians prostitutes.

  85. I like the guy, but his language is already laced with the suggestion he doesn’t really want to follow through. That turgid email he sent is QED.

    Litigation is very expensive, and very time consuming.
    Bolt will have to carry both burdens personally, whilst maintaining his work committments.
    To carry it off he’d require all of us Cats, + all his readership & viewers, to give him $20 per week until it is over.

  86. nic

    Steve, either he’s serious or he isn’t. Don’t pussyfoot around.
    The ‘I don’t sue’ line is a little annoying.

  87. C.L.

    He just signed a bill to throw homosexuals in prison for life …

    Campbell Newman is throwing people in prison for life for proscribed belt buckles.

  88. Campbell Newman is throwing people in prison for life for proscribed belt buckles.

    And proscribed coats. It must be quite interesting for those who’ve had their club colours tattooed onto their upper arms.

  89. calli

    Johanna, if you think the debates on gay marriage and the rest are boring, I’ll swap you for my day. Up at the crack of dawn, drive a couple of hours, a tryst with a brickie (whingeing but funny all the same) and spend the rest of the day searching out galvanised fixings that are as rare as hen’s teeth. But, ‘Eureka’ – the hen’s teeth are now found and on their way to site.

    A quick scroll down reveals a couple of items I’d never heard of…Tobermorey and the ‘Lady in the Boat’. Since Google is my friend, I find one is Scotch, and after dispensing with references to the Lady of Shallot, I find that the Lady is a Coolabah gooney.

    And finally, I see that after giving Tony N a very polite serve, Sinclair has swapped his mankini for a muumuu. Oh dear!

  90. nic

    Calli, the milk Tobermorey is better than the white one

  91. Fisky

    Campbell Newman is throwing people in prison for life for proscribed belt buckles.

    Yes, and it was duly condemned. And now Yoweri Museveni is being rightly condemned for seeking to throw homosexuals in prison for life, and calling them prostitutes. He should be made a pariah at once.

  92. Calli, the milk Tobermorey is better than the white one

    Philistine! You dare to equate Tobermory (peace be upon thine name) with a chocolate made by squareheaded cabbage munchers?
    This is too much. Jihad is called for!

  93. calli

    Scotch wars! Now you’re talking! Bags I wymminses the trebochet!

  94. Carpe Jugulum

    Hang on a sec i need to put on my armour and man the catapult.

  95. nic

    Steve, you mean the kids show? Well I never….. :)

  96. Infidel Tiger

    Fisk, go and harass The Bonge before Twitter abuse sees you thrown in a Ugandan prison’s pink wing.

  97. .

    C.L.
    #1203452, posted on February 25, 2014 at 6:02 pm
    He just signed a bill to throw homosexuals in prison for life …

    Campbell Newman is throwing people in prison for life for proscribed belt buckles.

    Hang on.

    Life sentence? Seriously?!

    I would like to know more.

  98. Carpe Jugulum

    A quick scroll down reveals a couple of items I’d never heard of…Tobermorey and the ‘Lady in the Boat’.

    Now figure out what a ‘plagon of Brown Dog’ i.

  99. calli

    Ha! I’ve found the reference

    Carpe Jugulum

    #795818, posted on April 13, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    I have said nothing at all ever about Abbott in Cat (ever) on any occasion, you lying piece of crap.
    The ‘Lady in the Boat’ and plagon of brown dog have taken a big hit early i see.
    Well done glug glug glug soak in residence.

    but the mystery remains, Carpe.

    My suspicion is that it’s cream sherry…

  100. Carpe Jugulum

    My suspicion is that it’s cream sherry…

    Close but no cigar.

  101. Carpe Jugulum

    Tim Wilson & Dan Hannan on the dumb, should be interesting.

  102. calli

    Gave up smoking aeons ago. Now if it was a Sobranie…but I never inhale anyways.

  103. Carpe Jugulum

    Cigars – this is more my sphere, i still enjoy smoking an Amanda when fishing or driving on long trips.

    PS – an Amanda is a cigar.

  104. Andrew

    Dan Hannan was just on The Dumb…host tries to compound free speech restrictions in the RDA with libel and slander. Dan hits them for six.

  105. Armadillo

    Bolta

    UPDATE

    Mann gives a very grudging “not necessarily” apology for his brazen lie (and follows it up elsewhere with a string of insults):

  106. Grigory M

    plagon of brown dog

    Brown Muscat? Draytons?

  107. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    makka:

    ‘I’ll stay clean for Charlotte’

    Meaning what?

    He’ll start washing for the the first time in his life? He’ll give up his beloved hobby of getting the clap from meth hags? He’ll stop snorting a chaffbag full of coke through a didgeridoo every day? He seriously like Charlotte, North Carolina?

  108. Token

    The Liars Party is very, very angry that people are not drowning. Grubby Conroy shows once again what Liar Party values are:

    A SENIOR Labor frontbencher has been forced to withdraw an accusation that Operation Sovereign Borders commander Angus Campbell has been engaged in a political cover-up.

    The accusation by opposition defence spokesman Stephen Conroy, during an exchange over secrecy surrounding asylum-seeker operations, prompted the suspension of a Senate estimates hearing by its chairman, Liberal senator Ian Macdonald.

    He ruled the hearing would not resume until the remark was withdrawn, which Senator Conroy did after a 10-minute suspension.

  109. Nick McKim at the Greens’ campaign launch, which he calls “Tasmania Speech”:

    I hope you enjoyed your journey here today. Where ever you came in from, you would have been able to see kunanyi*/Mt Wellington on your journey, with its organ pipes towering over this beautiful city.
    […]
    Or perhaps there is a single mum somewhere in Moonah, or Moriarty, or Melton Mowbray, who reads books to her children every night because she knows that one day they could also achieve great things.
    Perhaps that would be David [Walsh]’s greatest gift to Tasmania.
    […]
    And we are a small place, with a small population. But being small is one of our greatest assets.
    Small means we are nimble and flexible; better able to change in response to a changing world, and to change fast. To adapt, evolve, innovate and create.
    […]
    In a world racked by climate change we are on track to be 100% renewable energy by 2020, and we have some of the most carbon rich forests in the world.
    […]
    When people buy our food, our herbs, our wines, when they come to visit, they know they are buying a piece of something that is clean and unbroken.
    They know they are buying a memory of the world the way it used to be, when the place that things came from, and the people who made them, were important.
    […]
    When the Australian Government built a high security detention centre at Pontville, Tasmanians broke into it.
    Not all of our locals were convinced about asylum seekers, but they couldn’t help themselves because down here we welcome strangers – so in the Tasmanians went, carrying gifts of beanies.
    We opened our schools to them, and opened our hearts.
    This is what we Tasmanians contribute to Australia. We are a generous, open and welcoming people.
    And that’s why we should be seeing what is happening on Manus Island right now and saying, no, demanding, that Pontville be reopened and those poor people whose only crime is seeking a better life, have their applications for asylum processed here.
    Where we can look after them.
    A Tasmanian wrote the Australian Constitution – Andrew Inglis Clark had hopes of an independent republic where the strong helped the weak. I predict that when our Constitution finally gets its preamble a Tasmanian will write it.
    Because that is what we do. We are nation builders.
    […]
    Where should I end this story?
    I am going to end it where Tasmania’s story began and where a speech like this would normally begin.
    I am going to end it by paying my respect to the palawa people, the original custodians of this land – lutruwita, Tasmania.
    Right here, on the land under our feet, is the place where the first starved, exiled white people watched and copied the ways of the Aboriginal people—watched how they found food, how they lived in this place, how they survived.†
    Because this is a place where there is a spirit of more than survival – there is a spirit of ingenuity, creativity, resilience, independence and triumph over adversity.
    That spirit is more valuable than any amount of minerals under the ground. And it is this spirit that will help us to do the unpredictable.
    There are howling gusts of change blowing all around the world. But we live in the roaring 40’s.
    We can respond to that change and build a culture that helps us live the right way. We can build something new; create lives of work, connection and prosperity, while we nurture this place that we love.
    We took Aboriginal land and paid for it with brutality. The palawa survived and have reclaimed their identity. We should forge a treaty with our first people, because justice has not yet been done.

    * I’ve never heard this name ere today; it must be some confected native name.

  110. Fleeced

    An online petition calling for the creation of “Charlotte’s Law” against online bullying has been launched following the death of Charlotte Dawson.

    The petition, launched on the Change.org website by Dawson’s friend Em Mastronardi, had received more than 15,000 signatures by Monday morning.

    Would it be too harsh for me to suggest these friends go hang themselves?

  111. The Tasmanian ABC News, as you might expect, gives a bit, wet, sloppy kiss to McKim and particularly likes his “re-open Pontville” policy.

  112. .

    Or perhaps there is a single mum somewhere in Moonah, or Moriarty, or Melton Mowbray, who reads books to her children every night because she knows that one day they could also achieve great things.

    What a load of wank. Give ‘em a cricket bat.

    A Tasmanian wrote the Australian Constitution – Andrew Inglis Clark had hopes of an independent republic where the strong helped the weak.

    He was a “damp” liberal and a man I have immense respect for, but he was not a far left wing socialist who lobbied against industry.

  113. harrys on the boat

    Where was Alfred to tell Mckim “Fuck Off you, cnut!”

  114. calli

    Deadman, as I confessed to never having inhaled (upthread) it looks as if McKim inhales often. Where the smoke exits is debatable.

  115. Gab

    Andrew Inglis Clark

    of the Hare-Clark system.

  116. .

    Yes Gab, that was also good.

    People in Canberra – in a democracy, you get the Government you deserve.

  117. Gab

    We could have celebrated his birthday yesterday,

  118. An online petition calling for the creation of “Charlotte’s Law” against online bullying has been launched following the death of Charlotte Dawson.

    ‘Charlotte’s Law’ could instead introduce:

    - Mandatory membership of and active participation in Women’s Forum Australia for any woman appearing on Australian television in the capacity of host, anchor, judge, talking head, opinion giver, reality TV participant, mummy blogger, etc.
    - A 12 month waiting period for all plastic surgery, including Botox.
    - A 12 month total media blackout (TV, radio, mags, Twitter, Facebook etc) to be imposed upon anyone found violating the above two statutory regulations.
    - Medicare-funded sense of humour, reality and perspective implants.

  119. Makka

    Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC
    #1203552, posted on February 25, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    Dawson aborted their child so as not interfere with Miller’s preparation for the Olympics. This is what he has now become. I can’t imagine the torment she must have felt at being so horribly conned by her then future prospects with him.;

    “IF you want to see the toll of illicit drugs, just look at the bloated face and glazed eyes of Scott Miller. The former Olympic golden boy of Australian swimming was a pathetic, slurring, drug-addicted mess when interviewed on 60 Minutes last week.

    Ice, aka methamphetamine, is ‘‘what my addiction is at the moment . . . That’s what’s got me by the balls”.

    The interview was done six months ago, but Channel 9 could not air it until court proceedings against Miller for drug possession were complete. He received a suspended jail sentence after being arrested twice with ice.

    Meanwhile, Miller, 39, has been in rehabilitation in Melbourne and is living “week by week”, says an acquaintance.”

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/miller-a-sad-reminder-of-damage-done/story-fni0cwl5-1226834699063

  120. Infidel Tiger

    What a load of wank. Give ‘em a cricket bat.

    Or turn them into maths geniuses like David Walsh and make millions from gambling. Then blow it on whacky museums.

  121. Unsurprisingly, McKim’s supporters thought his speech“ inspiring” and “fabulous”.

  122. calli

    - Medicare-funded sense of humour, reality and perspective implants.

    I’m happy for my taxes to go to such a worthwhile cause.

  123. I’m happy for my taxes to go to such a worthwhile cause.

    When I win Lotto, MartyrLabs will be established especially to investigate how these can be created.

    I plan to rent space next door to the Ponds Institute.

  124. He’ll give up his beloved hobby of getting the clap from meth hags?

    IQ50 has a real thing about venereal disease.
    It would be fascinating to understand the origin of this obsession…..

  125. nic

    Crime Prevention Minister Edward ­O’Donohue will hand out graffiti-removal kits to ­Jewish organisations at the Beth Weizmann Community Centre this Wednesday

    Yep, that’ll prevent crime.

  126. Sinclair Davidson

    Tony N – I don’t dislike you at all. But I made a reasonable request, and you chose otherwise. Now I’m just enforcing the deal you agreed to.

  127. Gab

    You still getting love letters from little Tony N, Sinclair? Might be time to take out an AVO?

  128. Sinclair Davidson

    No – he is trying to break through the Bird cage. He can’t email me anymore (well I suppose he can but I have placed a block on his emails so I don’t receive them) and is now trying various strategies to get through the cage.

  129. Carpe Jugulum

    Brown Muscat

    Grigory wins the prize for identifying ‘Brown Dog’.

    Well done *golf clap*

  130. Beef

    Cardigan Cretin Conroy is upset that Lieutenant General Angus Campbell refuses to wear red underpants on his head.

    Naturally the General wears his inside his pants and is deeply offended that this is seen as colluding with the Government……. who we all suspect wear frilly nickers.

  131. blogstrop

    You can tell the real hard case trolls by how obsessively they cling, and cling, and cling.

  132. Carpe Jugulum

    Carrdigan Cretin Conroy is upset

    God he is an insufferable boor and mouth breathing, window licking, incontinent dribbler. But enough about his good points.

    I do hope he gets nailed alongside the rest of the union corruptocrats in the RC.

  133. Andrew

    Will Murdoch666 now sue? Didn’t see St Michael of Hockey apologise to him.

  134. calli

    Brown Muscat

    Is that some sort of weapon?

  135. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Hahahahahahahahaha. Gotcha!

    Stalin’s butt-boy Numbers the cowardly racist and bigot

    IQ50 has a real thing about venereal disease.

    Moi? Nup. Merely quoting (more politely) leftist icon John Birmingham.

    It would be fascinating to understand the origin of this obsession…..

    Obsession, oh for a dribbling cretin you DO have numbers on yourself. Boy, you are worth mild passing amusement. And baiting out from under your flat rock.

    I thought that calling you out on the way you ran away and hid would smart (poor diddums), and that you’d be desperate to show how brave a Sir Numbers you were by responding to the first post I made on my return.

    You are so predictable.

  136. Meanwhile, out in the West – Blacktown councillors (Liberal btw) have voted to apply for a rates increase despite near unanimous opposition from taxpayers:

    WHETHER residents like it or not, Blacktown Council will apply to IPART this week to increase its 2014-15 rates.

    Liberal councillors and independent Russ Dickens voted to ignore residents’ wishes and proceed with plans for a special variation rate.

    If approved, residential rates will rise by 5.3 per cent in 2014-15, an extra 88¢ a week.

    General businesses will have a $6 weekly rise and sub-category businesses will have a 10 per cent increase or $21 a week.

    These businesses will face another 10 per cent rise the next financial year.

    The council received 157 written submissions and 100 calls from the public about the proposal.

    All but five of the written submission were opposed to the proposal, as were most of the calls.

    Blacktown Residents Voice spokeswoman Indira Devi criticised the rate rise and the $250,000 allocated for a consultant to look at rebranding Blacktown as a regional city.

    “You need to ensure better consultation with the community then make decisions,” she told the council last week. “We would feel appreciated if we were being listened to and there would be fewer heated discussions at these meetings.”

    Liberal councillors said it wasn’t an easy decision.

    “We have an obligation to keep the city’s infrastructure up to scratch,” Karlo Siljeg said.

    Mark Holmes added: “If we don’t tackle this now, future generations will pay a heavy price.”

    IPART rules require that councils engage in extensive community consultation – doesn’t actually matter what they say, as long as you waste a quarter of a mill of their money on ‘consulting’ them

  137. Andrew

    LOL, did I just read correctly? That the filthy Green cnutocrats are now campaigning for boatees to be placed IN the very same high security detention centres that they campaigned to have them released FROM when the welfare seekers were sewing their lips together???

    FMD, Bolt’s Law it right!

  138. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Anyone else getting Error 522 when posting comments?

  139. feelthebern

    Sinc, what does tony n have to do to get back on ?
    I’ve forgotten.

  140. That’s Blair’s Law, Andrew.
    Not to be confused with Deadman’s Law:

    A real Green policy can always be found which is far sillier than any satirical Green policy.

  141. Gab

    (Tony N) now trying various strategies to get through the cage.

    LOL You mean like this?

    He must be missing you and the Cats desperately. Oh well, stiff cheddar. :D

  142. Beef

    Anyone else getting Error 522 when posting comments?

    Yes Mk, I put it down to a Tony N infestation trying to backdoor Sinclair.

  143. feelthebern

    JC is giving it to Paul Barry on Twitter.

  144. Leigh Lowe

    ‘I’ll stay clean for Charlotte’

    .

    Meaning what?

    Let me translate.
    It means “I will elbow my way to a prominent spot behind the coffin. I will sob like a Greek mother at the wedding of her only son. I will then sell the “grieving widower” story to New Idea for a tidy sum, which will keep me in powder for a long time”

  145. Sinclair Davidson

    I’m getting 522 and 524 errors.

  146. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Leigh: I see. He’s a meth addict. That’s a place it’s extremely difficult to come back from. Hope he does it, meth is a scourge at least as bad as crack, and in the USA there was no solution to the first stage crack epidemic in their inner cities but to wait for and then endure the mass die-off. The problem was intractable and I have seen no evidence that the ice issue is more tractable than crack was.

    Giving up commenting for the night. The repeated 522 errors are making it very difficult.

    #7

  147. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Mostly this thread

    #1

  148. Mike of Marion

    Had the 522 on both Browsers

  149. Bons

    against 11.6 million votes (45.5 per cent) for Yulia Tymoshenko.
    But then they locked-up their democratically elected opposition leader. Disgusting!

    N0,… wait….is there something that we could learn here?

  150. Gab

    Sydney server host thingy keeps timing out.

  151. calli

    Sydney server host thingy keeps timing out.

    Must have been my evil comments about Blacktown Council.

  152. Sinclair Davidson

    I have notified Jacques – but he is in a very different time zone to us and has a real job. So I can’t be sure when this will be fixed.

  153. Notafan

    Dear Lisa Singh must know that ALL the detainees on Manus are gay, it might be situational given the entitlement to get their jollies the males of a certain religion have, there being no donkeys or goats available.
    And given that most of them will not be granted refugee status if their true situations are revealed it is a convenient truth and of course there would be no coaching going on. The Refugee Review Tribunal have already knocked back a few pretend gays but it won’t stop the agitators.
    Even SBS admitted that anti-gay laws in Uganda are rarely enforced but expect to see a flood of asylum seekers from that neck of the woods,that is, Africans claiming to be gay Ugandans….

  154. Leigh Lowe

    I have notified Jacques – but he is in a very different time zone to us and has a real job.

    Has a real job, eh?
    Shouldn’t be hard to spot when he turns up then.

  155. Carpe Jugulum

    Is that some sort of weapon?

    Calli – it was a very, very cheap fortified wine that was somewhat popular with our indigineous brethren in the 70′s/80′s, it looked like someone with bleeding kidneys filled a bottle and added napthalene flakes & mothballs as a flavour source.

  156. Carpe Jugulum

    PS – it was eventually replaced by the ‘Lady in the Boat’. As described earlier.

  157. Grigory M

    Well done *golf clap*

    Please. Enough.

  158. Leigh Lowe

    Sinc, you say you did a deal with someone who claims to be unionist.
    And you expected it to be honoured?
    Really?

  159. There was an incident down the road* (i.e within an hours drive) when I was in PNG where a man caught raping a woman was tied to a tree and had the necessary bits removed.

    With an axe.

    Lot to be said for local self regulation up there, and for some reason legalities don’t carry near as much weight as local custom.

    Banning homosexuality is just a recognition of what is, in order that the law isn’t completely out of sync with reality.

  160. Sinclair Davidson

    I suppose I’m being silly, I know.

  161. Bruce of Newcastle

    Rat packs haven’t changed much. Exactly same spoonopener I got in mine. At least RAR guys don’t get the infamous ham and egg anymore.

    I quite like the look of the French one. As for the American’s I see they don’t trust their troops with anything sharp.

  162. Leigh Lowe

    Just saw Red Underpants on PM Live.
    He is truly pond scum.

  163. Fleeced

    I suppose I’m being silly, I know.

    Did you even deliver the hookers?

  164. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Sinc..re big Tony; sometimes the classics are best
    ” “PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON’T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER”. Groucho..( Marx )

  165. Leigh Lowe

    There was an incident down the road* (i.e within an hours drive) when I was in PNG where a man caught raping a woman was tied to a tree and had the necessary bits removed.

    With an axe.

    .
    I dream about an axe being required.

  166. Tom

    Take your time getting out the wrenches in the Cat engine room, Jacques. I’m only slowly reacquainting myself with reality after accidentally turning myself into a science project last week as my lady GP and I attempted to take me into 21st management of the Tom family curse (gout). World of pain doesn’t come near it — for five days. Anyone contemplating switching to Allopurinol should consider a precautionary biochemistry degree first.

  167. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    the infamous ham and egg anymore

    Even the thought of the dreaded “Luncheon meat Type ????? is enough to bring on indigestion…Corned beef hash wasn’t bad.

  168. I dream about an axe being required.

    There is something inherently just in meeting brutality with brutality.

  169. Gab

    Poor Tom. Gout is painful; I once had an episode of it in the ball of my foot. Ice pack applied every hour for about 10 minutes for a few hours soon sorted it all out.

    Glad you’re on the mend though.

  170. calli

    Oh, Tom…poor man! Gout is horrible and is almost unmentionable (being unfairly associated with overindulgence and age). I have seen the pain of it etched on loved one’s faces.

  171. Mater

    At least RAR guys don’t get the infamous ham and egg anymore.

    I preferred the ham and egg over cold lamb and vege. It would make a billy goat puke.

  172. Gab

    Looks as though they’ve thrown in a couple of condoms in the Italian rat pack.

  173. Infidel Tiger

    What is gout? I’ve never heard of anyone born in the last 100 years getting it?

  174. Gab

    Build up of uric acid in the blood, IT.

  175. Oh come on

    Heh. I see Mann backed down following Bolt’s legal threat. Mann deleted the offending tweet and apologised. Score!

  176. cynical1

    It says much about any group when Conroy can earn a position in it.

    How this cretin can rise through Labor’s ranks is astonishing.

    The man is a carbuncle on Australia’s arse..

  177. kae

    Rat packs. Although I didn’t use them when I was in the ARES, I had a friend in Parramatta Lancers who was called upon to cook the rat packs when they had them. He had a skill with putting the contents together and adding spices and so on.

    Tom
    Welcome to hell. I have just this weekend discovered the joys of gout.
    Gout! It’s an old man’s disease – I remember my mum’s father had it when I was small – he was old.
    Wait, no. He was probably close to my age now. *sigh*
    I’m on ibuprofen, even with asthma, it’s the known treatment. If it doesn’t sort it out the gout I will need to try something else.
    Having the runs didn’t appeal at all, I’d rather have asthma!
    It felt like my big toe was broken and poking out the bottom of my foot. It still feels like it’s poking out the bottom of my foot, but not as painful to touch now.
    Just don’t bump the damn thing!

  178. Gab

    Or more specifically:

    “Gout is a common form of arthritis. Pain often occurs in the big toe joint, knee, ankle, elbow and other joints. A gout attack is sudden and painful. Gout is caused by a build-up of a waste product, uric acid, in the bloodstream. Excess uric acid settles in joints causing inflammation, pain and swelling. Alcohol, overeating, dieting and dehydration can trigger a gout attack. “

  179. Leigh Lowe

    Or turn them into maths geniuses like David Walsh and make millions from gambling. Then blow it on whacky museums.

    There is some good stuff in MONA.
    Granted, there is also tonnes of dross as well.

  180. kae

    Gout.
    Blasted doctor put the mockers on me.
    He said, last blood test, that all was well… however, there was an elevated uric acid level.
    He asked whether I’d had any episodes of gout.
    “Naahhhh. Not me,” I replied. “Only get osteo in my left hand and right wrist.” Anyway, gout’s an old man’s disease.
    I could understand someone taking an axe to their foot if they had an attack of gout.
    I know someone who had an attack of gout at 16 years old, and a second at 20.

  181. Mater

    He had a skill with putting the contents together and adding spices and so on.

    Kae, if he/she was lucky enough to have the ten man’ers, no need to cook at all. You can live for weeks solely on canned frankfurters and bunghole!

  182. boy on a bike

    Gout runs in my family. All the males get it. Thankfully, I only get it in a toe I smashed playing sport, but you need toes to walk with, so when it flares up every few years, I can barely hobble.

    You can take pills that dissolve the uric acid (and they work), or you can drink gallons of water each day (to keep the system flushed) whilst avoiding things like tea, broccoli and other foods I forget.

    It’s all too hard. Drink lots of water and take a pill if need be.

  183. boy on a bike

    Tofu. You have to cut out the tofu.

  184. kae

    Mater
    He told me that he used to get all the packs together and combine things to make interesting meals.
    Not sure whether they were ten man packs or single packs for his crew.

  185. boy on a bike

    It could be worse. The acid could form a kidney stone instead.

    How are kidney stones treated?
    Most stones can be treated without surgery – 90% of stones will pass by themselves within 3 to 6 weeks. In this situation the only treatment required is pain relief. Pain can be so severe that hospital admission and very strong painkillers may be needed. However if a stone doesn’t pass and blocks urine flow or causes bleeding or an infection then it may need to be removed. New surgical techniques have reduced hospital stay time to as short as 48 hours. Other treatments include:

    Extracorporeal Shock-Wave Lithotripsy (ESWL): Ultrasound waves are used to break the kidney stone into smaller pieces, which can pass out with the urine. It is used for stones less than 2cm in size.
    Percutaneous Nephrolithotomy: A small cut is made in your back then a special instrument is used to remove the kidney stone.
    Endoscope Removal: An instrument is inserted into the urethra, passed into the bladder then to where the stone is located. It allows the doctor to remove the stone or break it up so it can pass more easily.
    Surgery: If none of these methods are suitable, the stone may need to be removed using traditional surgery. This will require a cut in your back to access your kidney and ureter to remove the stone.

  186. Sinclair Davidson

    … and the red wine.

    So just take the pills.

  187. kae

    Tofu.
    Right.
    No tofu.

    (Too friggin easy.)

    Someone made some snide remark about hitting the grog or something.
    Not amusing to me who doesn’t drink much – a) lone drinking isn’t a good look and b) dad was an alcoholic. I don’t think the friend knew about Dad – though with the situation at the moment where we work it’s probably not surprising that a reference would be made to hitting the grog!

  188. Tom

    Kae, I had my first experience of it not long after I turned 40 when I was walking the Kokoda Track. I thought I had broken my foot so I got an orthopaedic surgeon on the trek to strap me up and on I stumbled in spite of the exquisite pain. 24 hours later, the pain and the inflammation had vanished. How embarrassment.

    Not long after, my next broken foot happened in Sofiya, Bulgaria, when I had to throw myself on the eastern European health system.

    IT, you’ll never have to worry about it: we’ve banned everything in your diet that could possibly be bad for you just in case you were tempted to, you know, start making choices.

  189. Infidel Tiger

    An incredibly painful condition that can be exacerbated by alcohol??

    Why the hell do people care about AIDS when this scourge is still running rampant?

  190. Gab

    Ice packs, people, they work. And take the painkillers too.

  191. kae

    You’re full of good news, BoaB.

    Yes, I’ll take the gout…
    I knew someone years ago who had kidney stones and had to have surgery to get them out. For some reason he couldn’t have the ultrasound to smash them and he had a lot of scar tissue in his kidneys so surgery was getting more and more dangerous as far as keeping his kidneys (this was in the early 80s).

  192. kae

    Tom
    I suppose I’m lucky, I’m in my 56th year.
    I have had a little pain in the toe before but thought it was just osteo, which it probably was. The pain didn’t worry me too much.
    I have had a broken bone, finger, and the pain is like that, but I think worse!
    It was really bad for two days, swellings subsiding now (day four), though it still feels like a bone is sticking out under my toe!

  193. Gab

    Hello? Phfut Phfut. Is this thing on?

  194. Leigh Lowe

    Hello? Phfut Phfut. Is this thing on?

    Is anyone else getting Error 745 [porn overload]?

  195. Ripper

    Tony N has probably got a blast from his minder.

    Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums. Here is one illustrative list of tactics from the latest GCHQ document we’re publishing today:

    Excellent read, it explains why in every forum I have perused , whether it be footy , Sat TV , motorcars , there was always one poster to “set everyone straight” if a general thread began and they began to question global warming.

    They rarely contributed to any subject the forum was primarily about.

  196. boy on a bike

    You don’t want a stone. I was on panadeine forte for days. Total, unbearable agony – like being stabbed in the back. I was booked in for the shockwave treatment, but the blasted thing passed by the time the appointment came up. Passing it was like having a length of barbed wire dragged through the old fella.

    Which is one reason why I put away a lot of water every single day. Not going through that again if I can help it.

  197. boy on a bike

    What about error 666 (Abbott overload)?

  198. kae

    Oh, the Saturday before last I sprained my ankle.
    The swelling seemed to be subsiding until I woke on Saturday last with a swollen foot and excruciating pain.
    I thought I must have broken my toe somehow, that’s what the pain was like. I thought that as the swelling had subsided the joint was moving and the break was hurting now.
    No. Just gout.
    The doc said that the gout may have been triggered by the sprained ankle.

  199. Confession: I don’t mind ration packs. To this day I’ll trade almost anything with soldiers, just to get my hands on some 24-hour packs.

  200. Armadillo

    Gout….more commonly known as ‘Rich Mans Disease’. Blame age as much as you want, but you lot need to lay off the caviar and expensive Scotch Whiskey.

  201. Gout….more commonly known as ‘Rich Mans Disease’. Blame age as much as you want, but you lot need to lay off the caviar and expensive Scotch Whiskey.

    Good thing I’m a fois gras & French Champagne man then.

  202. pete m

    Conroy just sealed the remaining 5% military who voted informal to now voted LNP as well. Cheers mate.

  203. Armadillo

    Conroy accusing a public servant (ADF no less) of a ‘cover-up’ on behalf of his political masters. Blimey, it doesn’t get any more bizarre than that. Where to start with examples from the last 6 years? The list is long.

  204. Tom

    In case you missed it, a great short read by Dr Roy Spencer last week on the dead giveaway of the communist activists pretending to use science while using vicious Nazi tactics on their opponents:

    Yeah, somebody pushed my button.

    When politicians and scientists started calling people like me “deniers”, they crossed the line. They are still doing it.

    They indirectly equate (1) the skeptics’ view that global warming is not necessarily all manmade nor a serious problem, with (2) the denial that the Nazi’s extermination of millions of Jews ever happened.

    Too many of us for too long have ignored the repulsive, extremist nature of the comparison. It’s time to push back.

    I’m now going to start calling these people “global warming Nazis”.

    The pseudo-scientific ramblings by their leaders have falsely warned of mass starvation, ecological collapse, agricultural collapse, overpopulation…all so that the masses would support their radical policies. Policies that would not voluntarily be supported by a majority of freedom-loving people.

    They are just as guilty as the person who cries “fire!” in a crowded theater when no fire exists. Except they threaten the lives of millions of people in the process.

    Like the Nazis, they advocate the supreme authority of the state (fascism), which in turn supports their scientific research to support their cause (in the 1930s, it was superiority of the white race).

    Dissenting scientific views are now jack-booted through tactics like pressuring scientific journals to not publish papers with which they disagree…even getting journal editors to resign.

    Like the Nazis, they are anti-capitalist. They are willing to sacrifice millions of lives of poor people at the altar of radical environmentalism, advocating expensive energy policies that increase poverty. And if there is a historically demonstrable threat to humanity, it is poverty.

    I’m not talking about those who think we should be working toward new forms of energy to eventually displace our dependence of fossil fuels. Even I believe in that; after all, fossil fuels are a finite resource.

    I’m instead talking about the extremists. They are the ones who are sure they are right, and who are bent on forcing their views upon everyone else. Unfortunately, the extremists are usually the only ones you hear from in the media, because they scream the loudest and make the most outrageous claims.

    They invoke “consensus”, which results from only like-minded scientists who band together to support a common cause.

    This authoritarianism tends to happen with an over-educated elite class…I have read that Nazi Germany had more PhDs per capita than any other country. I’m not against education, but it seems like some of the stupidest people are also the most educated.

    So, as long as they continue to call people like me “deniers”, I will call them “global warming Nazis”.

    I didn’t start this fight…they did. Yeah, somebody pushed my button.

  205. Tom

    Turns out it’s not Newscorp, but ABC Media Watch that’s the unscrupulous beat-up mechant. RTWT and watch the video:

    MEDIA Watch host Paul Barry is again under fire for failing to meet the same journalistic standards to which he holds other media outlets to account.

    In an extraordinary admission, the ABC’s lawyers claimed the program was not required to seek comment for stories, in defence of Mr Barry’s failure to contact The Australian’s editor-in-chief Chris Mitchell before airing claims about the newspaper’s finances.

    “There was no obligation or journalistic imperative to seek a response from your client in the circumstances of this Broadcast,” ABC’s senior lawyer, Grant McAvaney wrote in a letter today.

    Last night, the ABC program misrepresented an interview given by Mr Mitchell, selectively editing the clip to make it seem like the paper had a bleak future.

  206. ZK2A, there’s one of those Grant tank/tractors lined up on the main road through Ilfracombe, and lots of tractors, an old RAEME crane and even an old Furphy water tank.
    A great place to stop if you’re into old machinery.

  207. johanna

    Gout is apparently excruciatingly painful – what it amounts to is hard crystals of uric acid (like grains of beachsand) getting into the joints. It used to be attributed to drinking too much port, for reasons that are unclear.

    As for kidney stones, ditto. People who have had them describe the pain as beyond belief.

    Modern medicine describes these things as “idiopathic”, which is their fancy word for “we haven’t got a clue.”

  208. Oh come on

    The colonisation by Russian traditionally Ukrainian communties after the Russian government depopulated large regions via the famines in the 30′s, etc will all come out in such a separation.

    It is better if the country finds a way to heal as the bad blood will most likely lead it to go to hell like Yugoslavia as the tribal anger is played out.

    Any ethnic tensions that might exist are not nearly as complex and intractable as the what you find in the Balkans. There isn’t an inter-generational blood feud exacerbated by a collective persecution complex that blights the Serbs. Or the ugly nationalism that often manifests itself as overt fascism that’s a hallmark of the Croats. I could go on.

    Stalinist demographic manipulation is unlikely to be the cause of much upheaval if the country is split in two. 80% of the population are ethnic Ukrainian anyway. The main cleavage which has blighted Ukrainian politics since the collapse of the USSR is not based on ethnicity, it’s based on cultural orientation. A small majority favour a more distinct Ukrainian identity separate from Russian influence. They are concentrated in the western oblasts. A large minority make little (or no) distinction between Ukrainian and Russian ethnicity and favour closer integration with Russia. They are concentrated in the eastern oblasts. Many of these people are ethnic Ukrainians.

    That’s the main issue. It can be resolved by giving both sides what they want. Allow those that wish to resettle on the opposite side to do so – I suspect many whose sympathies suggest they would move will not. There simply isn’t the history of deep-rooted and burning ethnic hatred between Russians and Ukrainians that fueled the genocidal events in the Balkans.

    The only way we’re going to see significant bloodshed is if there’s civil war resulting from efforts to retain current Ukrainian territorial integrity, meaning that one side will inevitably have its way at the expense of the other, which will be intolerable.

  209. Oh come on

    That should have been

    on the opposite side of the Dneiper

  210. Fisky

    There are two full-blown anti-Communist revolutions raging at the moment. Ukraine has already fallen to the anti-Communists and it is only a matter of time before the tyrant is arrested. Venezuela is next! Onward comrades!

  211. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Gout and kidney stones. A fun night here tonight.

    Nevertheless, sympathies to you Kae. It is bad news to have something wrong with your foot.
    I had a heel spur once and it was a misery. I decided not to let it stop me seeing beautiful Kyoto’s gardens, so I walked and walked anyway. I walked it right away. It hasn’t been back since.

    Could of course have also been due to my rubbing the foot of a Japanese foot god, handily placed outside a major temple. Da Hairy Ape prefers that explanation. He had to put up with my limping cursing and free-floating whinging and carrying my pretty but over-sized handbag during the walks, which were supposed to be the highlight of our calming holiday.

    Dat god took pity on a pore miserable Irishman, he firmly believes.

  212. Fleeced

    Psst… you’re looking at the old thread, Lizzie. The “new” thread is from Wednesday, so even that’s old.

  213. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Praise be to Allah the Thread Watcher – I just followed Elizabeth’s post here thinking it was the latest post on the current thread (using the the list of recent posters at the top right).

    I noticed the dates here covering 4 days in 5 posts and assumed I was too old and past it.

    Thank you Fleeced.

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