Wednesday Forum: February 26, 2014

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  1. Makka

    “wants to know why men won’t DO SOMETHING when women bash a passenger on a bus.”

    I saw the footage. Those girls clawed at the guy’s face. The nails girls wear these days amount to 10 razors attached to their digits. They are by no means defenseless. Which means force would be necessary to defend oneself or stop their attack.

  2. Geriatric Mayfly

    With no Dorothy Dixers, we don’t see much of Macklin at the dispatch box these days. But I have suffered the misery of tinnitus, ever since her halcyon days of screeching “Claw Back” Claw Back” as the entitlement clincher.

  3. Makka

    “Onshore immigration detention: Morrison flags shift to Top End as centres close”

    Good work Morrison. Keep those taxpayer costs in a downward trajectory. TYVM.

  4. Makka

    The toilet that is the EU. From Mauldin’s latest letter;

    “World Money Analyst
    With me today is Dirk Steinhoff. Dirk is a contributing editor at World Money Analyst
    and covers the European and Scandinavian markets.

    Q:What’s your position on the immigration issue and the consequences of this (Swiss immigration) vote?

    Dirk: First of all, I should mention that I was born and raised in Berlin and moved with my family to Switzerland in 2007. One of the main reasons why I decided to leave Germany and come to Switzerland, next to the great Swiss landscape, was the strongly centralized development of the European Union, which reminds me painfully of the political system in the former DDR [communist East Germany].

    European politicians live a life that is completely detached from those that don’t belong to this elitist political class. Their decisions are based on distorted experience and lobbyist influence and not on real life experience and independent judgment. The strong, centralized power of Brussels, in combination with the desire to regulate everything in life, increasingly limits personal freedom, limits the development of entrepreneurship (and therefore the creation of non-government-related workplaces), and eliminates local, regional, and national characteristics.”

    http://d21uq3hx4esec9.cloudfront.net/uploads/pdf/2014_02_27_OTB_2.pdf

  5. twostix

    The System quite happily countenances a percentage of the law abiding citizenry getting robbed, assaulted and murdered so long as, God forbid, the proles don’t get any uppity ideas about enforcing public safety themselves.

    Exactly.

    From what I’ve read it’s illegal in NSW to carry around so much as a ball point pen (any sharp implement) if your intention is to use it in self defense. So it’s literally illegal for a woman traveling late at night to equip herself to defend herself in case she’s attacked

    Which I suppose is the difference between citizens:

    A 23-year-old woman fought off a man with pepper spray after he grabbed her and tried to put his hand down her skirt Tuesday at 10:45 p.m. at Mission and Laurel streets.

    and subjects:

    A police officer has been ordered to face court charged with allegedly importing pepper spray into the country.
    The 24-year-old woman is due to face the Downing Centre Local Court on Tuesday 8 April 2014.

    Sick stuff.

  6. nic

    “Onshore immigration detention: Morrison flags shift to Top End as centres close”

    The left protested that the Libs close detention centres (that Labor set up, to silence), what’s the bet that having done so, the left will continue to howl?

  7. Tintarella di Luna

    Macklin screeching across the chamber in ear-splitting tones -” The NDIS belongs to Layyyyba” and of course who can forget this?

  8. twostix

    A quick search on pepper spray in the Australian sphere is enlightening.

    For instance this piece, written by a male, starts with a young woman’s harrowing walk home each night:

    Katherine, a 22-year-old Sydney law student, has to walk 150 metres from her bus stop to her house every night, usually on her own. It’s poorly lit and the road is against bush. It can be scary.

    “It’s quite dark and I can’t see very far,” she told The Punch. Joking that she’s “totally paranoid”, she says she times runs with her keys in one hand (so they’re “like knuckledusters”) and her pepper spray in the other.

    The male author then promptly sets about telling her why she should be banned from having pepper spray:

    “There’s better ways to protect yourself,” said former WA deputy police commissioner Murray Langford

    We never hear what exactly those “ways” are (though I can imagine and know why they weren’t offered or printed).

    Kellie Toole from the University of Adelaide, had mixed feelings. She wondered: What if it triggered a US-style gun culture – where people felt like they needed a canister to feel safe?

    That doesn’t sound very “mixed” to me. What was her other “feeling” on the matter, on the pro side? We never hear.

    And then we get this smug little bit of pap:

    On Schoolies in 2008, one of the rooms near Katherine’s was raided for marijuana by the police. Her bag ended up being searched by a female cop.

    She saw the pepper spray. But didn’t give her a spray.

    “She just looked at me and put it back in my bag. ‘I won’t tell’…

    “It’s a reasonable thing to have, especially at Schoolies”.

    Oh, so it’s all ok then. You can break the law and sometimes you won’t get in trouble because Sisterhood! But otherwise best to be safe and keep it illegal, except if you need it. Then have it.

    Or something.

  9. Gab

    Pepper spray is illegal in Australia?

  10. Ed

    Abbott to appear on the Bolt Report on Sunday.
    As much as I like Abbott, I don’t think I will be able to stand watching him wade through 12 carefully chosen words a minute, each one placed with the precision of a mountain climber.

  11. twostix

    Pepper spray is illegal in Australia?

    It’s more dangerous than a BB gun or paintball marker.

  12. Beef

    Manus Island is another Kevin Rudd fuck up & he & his Liar mates should have their own words shoved back in their faces

    Check this Dateline show Manus whistle blower July 2013 11 months after opening.

    Self mutilation, rape , torture ,In the forgettery, It’s all Abbott666

  13. .:

    Any good sources on the history of Sparta?

    Though I answered this the other evening, I just received my new copy of Ernle Bradford, Thermopylae: The Battle for the West (New York, 1980), and I commend it because it’s very readable—as are his many other books (such as The Great Siege)—and, naturally, it gives a sound (though, perforce, brief) overview of Sparta at its peak.

    Some thirty years after the death of Leonidas, King Agesilaus of Sparta, as Plutarch recounts, showed that the essential Spartan spirit, which distinguished her citizens from all others in Greece, still had not changed. At that time there was a war between a coalition led by Athens against Sparta and her allies. The latter had been complaining to Agesilaus that it was they who provided the bulk of the army. Agesilaus, accordingly, called a council meeting at which all the Spartan allies sat down on one side and the Spartans on the other. The king then told a herald to proclaim that all the potters among the allies and the Spartans should all stand up. After this the herald called on the blacksmiths, the masons, and the carpenters to do likewise; and so he went on through all the crafts and trades. By the end of the herald’s recital almost every single man among the allies had risen to his feet. But not a Spartan had moved. The laws of Lycurgus still obtained. Agesilaus laughed and turned to his allies, remarking: “You see my friends, how many more soldiers we send out than you do.”
    The whole Spartan attitude is contained in those words. (p. 66)

  14. Gab

    Gab, if you (and Lizzy and Philippa and others) want an indication of the scale of the dementia into which poor old Capn Spuds is descending, you should pop in for a look at the window-licking catatonia directed at the Doomlord this morning over at Dogshit Today.

    Hi Tom

    No thanks, it will only be all negative fact-free comments anyway so I won’t bother wasting my time reading that crap. It will be the same sort of drivel (hi Fleeced :) ) he’s been scribbling away at for years. For an alleged “conservative” he really is quite the leftarded supporter. :D

  15. Infidel Tiger

    April 5 for the WA Senate Election.

    I hope and pray the LDP and like minded freedom loving parties are arranging for ballots to go missing in case the human filth get up. We need to start gaming the system.

  16. I’m surprised I cant drag up youtube footage of the opposition singing the praises of Manus Island when they were in government.

    Rudd II only have one day in Parliament?

  17. .

    Infidel Tiger
    #1207471, posted on February 28, 2014 at 1:59 pm
    April 5 for the WA Senate Election.

    I hope and pray the LDP and like minded freedom loving parties are arranging for ballots to go missing in case the human filth get up. We need to start gaming the system.

    YES

    The LDP is running in WA. I have already donated a paltry sum of $100

    http://www.ldp.org.au/index.php/get-involved/donate

  18. Infidel Tiger

    Yes Dot, but are they going to steal ballot papers? Anything less is a dereliction of duty.

  19. Gab

    The LDP is running in WA.

    Good stuff. Hope they get another person into the Senate.

  20. Tintarella di Luna

    I’m really skint at the moment hopefully by the end of next week I can donate something because I think David Leyonheljm has courage and nous.

  21. Tom

    Bolt meets Media Watch Dog*: the co-presenter of the new News Watch segment on the Bolt Report on Sunday will be Gerard Henderson. Should be a must-see. Also means that Hendo will now be purged from Bawwie’s Onesiders panel on the ABC, leaving just Niki Savva as the token non-leftist on the roster of 12 or so on the national broadcaster’s weekly fuck-you two-fingered salute to the taxpayers footing the bill.
    *Today’s edition still not online at time of posting.

  22. srr

    So, as it seems bloody likely that the battle is to the death, can normal people start fighting back now ?

    ‘There aren’t enough gay characters on TV’ says BBC drama boss who promises to commission more homosexual storylines

    Ben Stephenson, who is himself gay, said that while there is diversity in BBC drama there is still ‘a long way to go’.

  23. Oh come on

    Jeff Kennett and Joe Hockey both love ugly, shiny thick pinstripe suits. On their incomes you’d think they could afford better than what appear to be off-the-peg $99 Red Spot specials including 3 garish ties.

  24. Mr Rusty

    Macklin screeching across the chamber in ear-splitting tones -” The NDIS belongs to Layyyyba”

    How fucking pathetic can you get? They should never have even been allowed to implement it when they couldn’t pay for it. Policies like that should only ever be introduced if there is a surplus and zero net debt.
    I really, really want the Libs to just dump and then resurrect it (with a proper plan) and rename it just to piss the fuckwits off and whitewash any connection of them to it. They can call it the Abbott Insurance Disability Scheme and then the left can screech that Abbott is responsible for AIDS.

  25. Makka

    “Former union boss Martin Ferguson warns union actions will force jobs offshore”

    Forget it Mar’n. Self immolation is all they will settle for.

  26. A Lurker

    5 pages – must be time for a new fred?

  27. Token

    Macklin screeching across the chamber in ear-splitting tones -” The NDIS belongs to Layyyyba”

    Remarkable.

    All her best policies were continuation of the same Howard era policies which pre-Nov 2007 Labor vehemently opposed.

  28. Oh come on

    I wonder how the Indos like their new and growing fleet of shiny new orange lifeboats? That’s three so far.

  29. Pedro the Ignorant

    Pepper spray is illegal in Australia?

    Except for police, obviously.

    The peons are not allowed to carry stuff for self defence.

  30. Pedro the Ignorant

    Three lifeboats at $50,000 each = one reffo on welfare for five years.

    Good deal.

  31. Beef

    Macklin screeching across the chamber in ear-splitting tones -” The NDIS belongs to Layyyyba”

    So it isn’t about the disabled at all.

  32. Gab

    So it isn’t about the disabled at all.

    Never has been. It’s always been about creating more jobs for the public service, Labor’s base.

  33. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tabasco sauce is available in the shops.

    Water pistols are available in the shops.

    Do I dare completing the next thought?

  34. Oh come on

    I once bought a cheap kitchen knife from Woolies. When I went through the checkout, some warning flashed up on the till’s display cautioning customer and check out chick to be especially cautious about the sale of this item. Presumably the warning was to hopefully ensure the purchaser wasn’t going to use it to go on a homocidal rampage. It was the most bizarre message – wish I could remember exactly what it said. So ridiculous. I mean, even if the buyer did look like Freddy Kreuger, is some spotty 15 year old going to refuse to sell someone a knife just because they’re kinda funny lookin’?

    When businesses in this country take it upon themselves to regulate the sale of mundane items such as kitchen knives, it’s hardly surprising that pepper spray’s illegal.

  35. politichix

    Mr Rusty
    #1207498, posted on February 28, 2014 at 2:28 pm

    I really, really want the Libs to just dump and then resurrect it (with a proper plan) and rename it just to piss the fuckwits off and whitewash any connection of them to it. They can call it the Abbott Insurance Disability Scheme and then the left can screech that Abbott is responsible for AIDS.

    Love it! Still chuckling….

  36. Rabz

    FFS, there are some fucking morons on this planet.

    I’ve posted a comment on Dim Tunlop’s latest insane ravings over at the dumb. Note the reply to my comment.

    Rabz:
    28 Feb 2014 10:35:58am
    “There are the attempts to hobble democratic participation by introducing voter ID laws.”

    This is a ridiculous statement, but I’ve come to expect no better from you.

    If a voter is correctly enrolled I fail to see how being required to present ID at a polling booth ‘hobbles democratic participation’.

    It’s designed to prevent voting fraud, something you’re obviously in favour of.

    Reply Alert moderator

    ThatFlemingGent:
    28 Feb 2014 1:02:26pm
    Ask the Americans how that went. The Republicans loved it because they knew they could use it to disenfranchise poor/working-class voters that they knew would largely vote against them.

    They will mandate that this voter ID meets specific requirements before being issued – that a driver’s license be held or that student IDs or pension cards/ social security cards are not valid – whatever criteria to ensure that “those people” are disenfranchised and thus cannot vote against those who set the criteria.

    The current system is perfectly adequate and people should be highly distrustful of such schemes.

    Reply Alert moderator

  37. Meanwhile, Sam Worthington is making the same discovery everyone else in the country has already made about Lara Bingle’s character and personality.

  38. Splatacrobat

    POLICE have identified a 17-year-old and a 21-year-old involved in an horrific racial attack on an elderly Gold Coast man and are ready to charge them .

    I hope the any sentencing includes prison time.

  39. Geriatric Mayfly

    Before we set off for a spot of flyfishing on the Applegate in Oregon, my mate slipped a canister of capsicum spray into his kit. I remain curious still, as he said it was to fend off feral dogs. If so, not such a bad defence strategy.

  40. twostix

    Is it just me or is news.com.au doing nothing but reprinting stories from The Huffington Post these days?

  41. Brian of Moorabbin

    Hey Hammy! I’ve got some good news for you!!

    The Bolt Report returns – longer and even sparklier – on Sunday.

    Joining me – Prime Minister Tony Abbott, former Treasurer Peter Costello and former NSW Treasurer Michael Costa.

    And our new NewsWatch segment, this week with Gerard Henderson.

    So much to go through – on Qantas, bloody-minded unions and ending the great handout culture. On the free speech police, the Abbott haters and the biggest political joke of the week.

    And “Your Say” – where you get your say read out (or shown if it’s a clever clip.) Bung in some now here on the show you haven’t actually yet seen or on the topics above.

    On Network 10 and 10am and 4pm.

    Now as you were saying….?

  42. Fisky

    Dim Tunlop’s latest insane ravings over at the dumb

    At least he’s not attempting to be funny this time.

  43. nic

    I hope the any sentencing includes prison time.

    Those slatterns need a good kick up the date

  44. srr

    Macklin screeching across the chamber in ear-splitting tones -” The NDIS belongs to Layyyyba”

    So it isn’t about the disabled at all.

    it’s one of the things I hate about Credlin’s Abbott Government – having them pretend along with the Emily’s List owned Parties, that the NDIS has anything to do with helping the disabled.

    It’s only ever been a nationalised system of stealing from wealthy and well insured victims of life’s cruelest twists…the way State Trustees have always stolen from the most vulnerable who they get ‘guardianship’ of.

  45. twostix

    Ask the Americans how that went. The Republicans loved it because they knew they could use it to disenfranchise poor/working-class voters that they knew would largely vote against them.

    Everything is about the United States and Republicans to these weirdo’s. Any political matter will inevitably be brought back to a standard set of narratives about Republicans, “Bush” or “Rednecks”.

    The minds of the Australian left lives in the United States. But not the real United States, instead they live in a bizarre version of the United States presented by The Huffington Post, Daily KOS, WAPO, etc, etc which they spend hours of everyday reading either directly, or indirectly via those sources being recycled through Australian political “news” outlets.

  46. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Philippa Martyr at 2:57 pm:

    “Meanwhile, Sam Worthington is making the same discovery everyone else in the country has already made about Lara Bingle’s character and personality.”

    Ha. Ha! I already saided that Philippa:

    “Mick Gold Coast QLD
    #1207045, posted on February 28, 2014 at 1:31 am

    A Sam Worthington, who is famous for I know not what reason, appeared in a New York court looking for all the world like he lives under the shrubs at Battery Point where he was charged with two counts of third-degree assault, attempted assault and harassment and hit with a restraining order barring him from contact with the paparazzo who made Lara Single very, very cross.

    This dill could cop a year in gaol for his appalling choice of company. I trust Michael Clarke’s old man regularly reminds him he was stupid, stupid, stupid.”

    so, following Comrade Sister Blob Macklin’s lead, I screech at you across the Forum “it belongs to meeeeee!”

  47. Token

    I remain curious still, as he said it was to fend off feral dogs. If so, not such a bad defence strategy.

    One finds it wise to discourage coyotes & bears from following in that wilderness

  48. Great minds never differ, Mick me old china.

    I hope he gets smart, quickly. Although I notice there is no billion-dollar diamond ring for her to flush down the toilet this time.

  49. Rafe

    Woo Hoo, March Quadrant has arrived, and The Spectator. There goes the afternoon.

  50. calli

    Those Gold Coast harpies had been at the races. I think I have identified them.

  51. Fisky

    Here’s Tim Dunlop trying to be funny –

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2738702.html

    New Liberal leader, Scott Morrison, dismissed outright a merger with Labor. He said there were no plans for talks between him and Labor leader, Julia Gillard.

    “At this stage we are consulting with mining industry chiefs and men over seventy about ways to roll back everything we can think of,” he said. He added, “Careful! Immigrant behind you!”

  52. johanna

    Agreed, the NDIS is fatally flawed, and will just suck billions of dollars into the hands of bureaucrats and rorters with the right contacts, while a few crumbs fall off the table for those in need.

    I’m glad I don’t have Tony Abbott’s “to do” list on my fridge. For a start, it would mean buying a second fridge to fit it all on.

  53. twostix

    New Liberal leader, Scott Morrison, dismissed outright a merger with Labor. He said there were no plans for talks between him and Labor leader, Julia Gillard.

    “At this stage we are consulting with mining industry chiefs and men over seventy about ways to roll back everything we can think of,” he said. He added, “Careful! Immigrant behind you!”

    I wonder if this is the same sort of cutting edge “humour” that the white glove wearing Esme Watson Conservatives of the 1950′s used to engage in to each other.

  54. twostix

    Here’s Tim Dunlop trying to be funny –

    Megalogenis also cut back on the amount of polling the newspaper did and replaced Dennis Shanahan’s commentary with Peter Brent’s analysis.

    Mumbles??

    Now that is actually funny.

  55. Beef

    Ban roll-your-own tobacco – expert

    Prof Edwards said roll-your-own tobacco was less natural and at least as harmful as factory-rolled tobacco and interventions were needed to encourage roll-your-own smokers to quit.

    The interventions included mass media campaigns and pack warnings to correct misinterpretations that roll-your-own cigarettes were less hazardous and more natural.

    A ”more radical move” would be to ban the sale of loose tobacco, Prof Edwards said.

    Good luck with that prof.

  56. dover_beach

    Similarly, I don’t think the civil rights act shouldn’t exist in its current form. If a business wants to not serve whites, blacks or gays, I say go ahead.

    Two things. Firstly, I’m not sure anyone is being prosecuted under the Civil Rights Act regarding any of the cases concerned. Secondly, none of these cases involves a refusal of service to gays because they’re gay; they involve a refusal to participate in a gay ‘marriage’ ceremony. No one, for instance, believes that the Civil Rights Act obliges blacks to provide the catering to the annual meeting of the KKK.

  57. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From calli at 3:15 pm:

    “Those Gold Coast harpies had been at the races. I think I have identified them.”

    Calli, you’ve happened upon a frighteningly accurate representation of precisely what happens here, especially on Melbourne Cup Day.

    In the morning the girls look all fresh and new and dressed up en route through Surfers, less than a mile from the course. At sundown they return to the nightclubs and their demeanor rapidly descends to hats askew, dress fabric soiled, bums on show, shoes in hand and Kath and Kim style up and under-ing against the shop fronts.

    It is all accompanied by slurring abuse and screeching at their friends, usually arguing about where they ought to be going next for a much needed drink. It is really very unpretty.

    Tuesday night is a regular dinner out with friends in Surfers and we see it every year without fail.

  58. I’m glad I don’t have Tony Abbott’s “to do” list on my fridge. For a start, it would mean buying a second fridge to fit it all on.

    It’s probably not for the fridge, it’s wallpaper.

  59. srr

    Between 1940 and 1945, King infiltrated Fascist and pro-Nazi circles in wartime Britain, exposing “scores and possibly hundreds” of disloyal British citizens actively undermining the war effort.

    One of these citizens was Marita Perigoe, a half-German, half-Swedish woman deeply involved in the spy network.

    After the war, she would flee to Australia, and marry John Gordon McKenzie, who
    at the time was one of Australia’s leading public servants and educators.

    In England, King’s spies believed that they were working for Hitler, and “supplied information which, if it had reached the enemy, would have been of vital use,” including top-secret technical intelligence on weapons systems and radar defences. In fact, throughout the war, they were controlled by MI5.

    kinda makes you wonder how many dyed in the wool traitors have been followed, tested and tagged, “Irredeemable”.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    In the morning the girls look all fresh and new and dressed up en route through Surfers, less than a mile from the course. At sundown they return to the nightclubs and their demeanor rapidly descends to hats askew, dress fabric soiled, bums on show, shoes in hand and Kath and Kim style up and under-ing against the shop fronts.

    I’m fairly sure that’s what the Melbourne Cup was like when Archer ran. It’s the one day of the year I think sheilas should be able to get untidy and show their bits.

  61. Oh come on

    Rollies are the only way poor people can afford to both smoke and eat these days. Of course the Good Professor wants to ban them. Rollies, that is. Although I’m sure he’d also like to ban poor people as well.

  62. pete m

    Mick – 1 reason we rarely go to surfers for dinner, despite Salt being there.

    Sad really to see girls $$%% faced and behaving like that.

  63. Oh come on

    Changing Qantas Sale Act not enough, says Alan Joyce

    cries the SMH. Time to pen a letter:

    Dear Mr Joyce

    Go fuck yourself.

    Sincerely
    An Australian Taxpayer

  64. The unions are threatening to hurt Qantas even more by rolling strikes. Will the government ask Shorten: if Labor is so keen to “save Qantas”, will he denounce the unions for hurting it?

  65. srr

    Watch the traitorous spies, see them use their Union muscle to infiltrate air defence, then, BAM!…’things’ change….


    Qantas sells defence arm

    AAP |
    February 28, 2014 3:15PM

    Qantas Airways has finalised the sale of its defence arm to the local subsidiary of United States defence and aerospace firm Northrop Grumman.

    Under the deal, Northrop Grumman Australia acquires Qantas Defence Services, a business with a turnover around $100 million last year, for a reported $80 million.

    This sale was foreshadowed in August last year.

    Qantas Defence Services will now be called Northrop Grumman Integrated Defence Services.

    “Northrop Grumman IDS enhances our in-country footprint and local capabilities and demonstrates our commitment to the Australian and regional defence markets,” Ian Irving, Northrop Grumman Australia chief executive, said in a statement.

    “We expect this to be an important platform for international growth in our key focus areas of unmanned, cyber, C4ISR, and logistics and modernisation.”

    Qantas Defence Services employed about 500 people with contracts to support a range of RAAF aircraft and systems. The company also leases and maintains the RAAF’s two Boeing VIP transport aircraft.

  66. Oh come on

    Let it die, ffs. I keep hearing from various talking heads in the media about how much we love Qantas and that’s why everyone’s all het up about it. No we fucking don’t love Qantas! Weren’t the rapidly declining passenger numbers a bit of a giveaway?

  67. Makka

    “Let it die, ffs.”

    I’m no lover of Qantas even though I have flown extensively with them a lot in the past internally and internationally. However, with their demise we can be sure gauging the public on airfares will be horrendous. So, here’s hoping they find a solution that doesn’t involve my taxes. I like the dog fight of competition keeping fares down.

  68. .

    Beef
    #1207515, posted on February 28, 2014 at 2:42 pm
    Macklin screeching across the chamber in ear-splitting tones -” The NDIS belongs to Layyyyba”

    So it isn’t about the disabled at all.
    Gab
    #1207519, posted on February 28, 2014 at 2:47 pm
    So it isn’t about the disabled at all.

    Never has been. It’s always been about creating more jobs for the public service, Labor’s base.

    Obviously, it is a disgrace and an ALP-union stitch up.

    Their caseload per worker would have been less than 1 per week. A massive amount of money spent on heavily unionised workers where the poor dumb voter thinks he’s helping the disabled.

  69. Leigh Lowe

    Let it die, ffs. I keep hearing from various talking heads in the media about how much we love Qantas and that’s why everyone’s all het up about it. No we fucking don’t love Qantas! Weren’t the rapidly declining passenger numbers a bit of a giveaway?

    Exactly.
    The next time some fucker from goats cheese circle spouts this shit about “Australian icon, blah, blah, blah” ask them if, in the last five years, have they always flown Qantas where a QF flight was available.
    Guaranteed subject change without the clutch.

  70. Beef

    Obviously, it is a disgrace and an ALP-union stitch up.

    All they had to do was announce it. Those who have a neuron or two saw it for what it was immediately.

    So it isn’t about the disabled at all.

    /Sarc

  71. Fleeced

    In unrelated news: I wonder about the wisdom of network service sites like CloudFare using network failures as an opportunity for brand recognition… all I end up thinking is bad things about CloudFare :(

  72. .

    Cloudflare?

    Good morning, TonyN.

  73. will

    The next time some fucker from goats cheese circle spouts this shit about “Australian icon, blah, blah, blah” ask them if, in the last five years, have they always flown Qantas where a QF flight was available.

    creates too much “carbon”

  74. Gab

    Good morning, TonyN.

    lol it never gets old.

  75. Beef

    lol it never gets old.

    It is good, I also love JC’s call for steve to tell us about models etc. It too will never get old.

  76. Bruce

    The despicable Dribbling Dickhead (aka Bob) is giving Bolt the benefit of his thoughts on “circle jerks “, a subject,as a long time practitioner of the art,of which he has a considerable store of personal knowledge.

  77. Fleeced

    lol it never gets old.

    Maybe I’ve been out of the loop too long… I don’t get it.

  78. calli

    Lol! Calls for Mar’n Fer’son to be expelled from the Labor Party for…agreeing with Abbott666. Brother Laurie says their father would roll over in his grave. Mar’n's response to his brother and other bellowers is quite amusing.

    On Ben Fordham’s program on 2GB around 3.45.

  79. Gab

    Fleeced, it’s a piss take. TonyN would post that every morning just to annoy people and then he’d come back and post good afternoon, good evening later the same day just to annoy people. And then Tony N was thrown out by the scruff of his neck – not for this reason, mind – but as he still reads the blog…

  80. Fleeced

    Ah, OK… Was thinking there was some link to cloudfare I was missing (which is the network services page that keeps popping up when the Cat has one of it’s intermittent errors)

  81. johanna

    Mar’n and Simon Crean were the only adults in that Romper Room government.

  82. brc

    Before we set off for a spot of flyfishing on the Applegate in Oregon, my mate slipped a canister of capsicum spray into his kit. I remain curious still, as he said it was to fend off feral dogs. If so, not such a bad defence strategy.

    Feral dogs named Humphrey B, I would presume. A friend of mine was packing similar when we did some snowmobiling in the frozen bits of Canada.

  83. harrys on the boat

    Ferguson, maybe johanna, Crean not so much.

    But we shouldn’t start fellating ex Labor pollies, who abused us and hid behind union aprons while in power, but now unemployment has given them balls to speak the truth.

  84. Makka

    At least Mar’n sought to minimize harm . He was one of the 3 in the room (Swan and Gillard also) with the Big 3 when the last Mining Tax was negotiated. What a disaster (for Govt) that turned out to be. All he had to do was shutup and let the morons do the talking.

    He is right of course. Over the next 3 years or so as Resource investment falls off a cliff and manufacturing death rattles roll through the economy, our straight jacketed workplaces, if left untouched, will ensure joblessness rockets. It’s the youngsters feeling it now, but it’s coming across the board without very major changes to the workplace.

    The Unions are lighting fires on the s(t)inking ship because it’s not going down fast enough, it seems. Like I have said – they are nothing but Traitors and deserving of all the contempt and loathing Australians can muster for them.

  85. calli

    I don’t think much of Crean. But I’m sure he’s a good cook. I helped pay for it, after all.

  86. Leigh Lowe

    creates too much “carbon”

    Oh, but I always tick the “carbon offset” …. well, when my employer is paying that is.

  87. Leigh Lowe

    Brother Laurie says their father would roll over in his grave

    Roll over in his grave, you say?
    That’s no big deal for rustadon Labor types, seeing as how they get out of their graves and vote on Election Day.

  88. JMH

    While the ABC, in this case, News 24, willingly provides airtime to the Jane Caro leftarded type, it will never be able to attain one modicum of credibility. Ms Caro seems to have a serious brain injury and should be under medical care – not appearing on television, radio or print anywhere.

    Abbott Government – how many times must we tell you to get rid of the ABC.

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Oh, but I always tick the “carbon offset” …. well, when my employer is paying that is.

    Stop that right now, Leigh! Desist. I am giving you my very fierce ‘look’ on this.

    It only encourages them. The Greenfilth cite the numbers (which thankfully, are miniscule) of those who care enough to pay up. You. Do. Not. Care. Nor does your employer. Understood?

    (Umm. Perhaps you were joking. Perhaps I have been around the kids for too long today.)

  90. Tom

    The ABC total avoidance of accountibility through the corruption and neutering of its complaints system could be fixed in three minutes with the political will:

    Since the Australian Broadcasting Commission became the corporation in 1983, it has waged an unceasing campaign, first for the right to set and self-regulate its standards, then progressively to deny and defeat complaints.
    Thirty years ago, the Hawke government criticised the “bias, partiality and propaganda” of a Four Corners program on uranium mining.
    But it was not until Bob Hawke’s strident criticism of the Gulf War coverage in 1991 that the ABC was forced to set up an independent complaints review panel and accept ACMA’s predecessor, the Australian Broadcasting Authority, as the ultimate arbiter of breaches of the code of conduct.
    It took 20 years, but in 2011 the ICRP was swept away, along with an internal complaints review executive that had been appointed to oversee complaints handling. Now complaints are dealt with solely by an audience and consumer affairs department, which Scott boasts is “independent” – in the same way that police integrity commissions objectively investigate aberrant policemen. Often, the department flick-passes the complaint to the relevant program department, which merely acknowledges it as “feedback”.

    Thus have the rights of listeners and viewers been whittled away; now corrections and even apologies are to be buried on the web, not acknowledged in the program itself, where they belong.
    Successive ABC boards have tried and failed to democratise the complaints process.

    If it will not reform itself, transparency must be imposed through the creation of a properly independent external body. This could be a prime task for a new Dix inquiry, now long overdue.

    Let’s just call it the ABC Ombusdman. Simple. Problem solved.

    But it won’t be because the problem is political: Lord Turnbull has been awarded the ABC empire as a weapon to be used in his never-ending leadership destabilisation and Abbott does not have the authority to take it off him. This corrupt and evil system will endure as long as Lord Turnbull is writing the ABC’s cheques.

  91. johanna

    Actually, it will remain until the Act is amended, which requires agreement from the Senate.

    I do wish that people here would stop blaming Tony Abbott for the fact that this is not a banana republic, where everything can be changed by a stroke of the current dictator’s pen.

  92. Makka

    But johanna, Abbott can alter the ABC’s funding arrangements or alter it’s executive structure without Senate involvement. Yet does not. The “efficiency review ” underway may provide some opportunities to act, but will they? If the arrogance of the ABC is a guide, they don’t look too threatened.

    Abbott does need to take the ABC (and Turnbull). It is a taxpayer funded hive of Left/Green/Socialist subversion we can ill afford and it’s stated intent is rubbishing our elected Govt and it’s policies while protecting the Left.

  93. The “morons” whom Leunig feels he must despise
    might be the folks his supporters organise.
    The “barks” which the ochlophobic bigot hears
    could be servile laughter, not those whom he fears.

  94. jupes

    And our new NewsWatch segment, this week with Gerard Henderson.

    I predict this will be worth watching on The Bolt Report on Sunday.

  95. calli

    What you think the secret weapon to defeat Godzilla is, Beef? Mothra? Or something even more horrid?

  96. Tom

    I once used to laugh out loud at his toons, Deadman, because they were very funny and full of beautiful spontaneity. In fact, I used to work with him. Now he has become a diseased old elitist bigot who makes my skin creep because he sides with the forces of hatred. He is the living dead.

  97. candy

    Now he has become a diseased old elitist bigot who makes my skin creep because he sides with the forces of hatred. He is the living dead.

    And he’s not even funny, or whimsical, or anything. Maybe he’ll come good and use his talent better, because he’s quite special.

  98. Beef

    What you think the secret weapon to defeat Godzilla is, Beef? Mothra? Or something even more horrid?

    Godzilla will run for the hills Calli at the sight of that! Maybe someone flys a plane with a nuke attached down it’s …..oh wait.

  99. the secret weapon to defeat Godzilla?

    Judging from Lord Obama’s fears, a Tea Party member with an AR-15 should scare any giant monster totally witless.

  100. Right now, on the Tassy 7.30, the hostess, a Lara-lover (of course) is giving Will Hodgman an angry, aggressive grilling.

  101. Combine_Dave

    Changing Qantas Sale Act not enough, says Alan Joyce

    He’s correct. How could they attract investment with the current IR system in place?

  102. Stephen of Glasshouse

    In my gambolling today in blogs far far away, I found another way to screw over the progressives. The term homophobia is a slur word with no grounding in psychiatry. It is not listed in DSM 5 ( it’s more of an Alinsky construct ) So, next time someone throws out the homophobe word, ask them why do the progressives abuse someone with a phobia? Do they abuse people with phobias about heights, spiders etc. ? Don’t use the correct terms for phobias, as most progressives are as dumb as a bag of hammers, and don’t even know what the definition of a phobia is. Watch their synapses implode..

    Now, here is the interesting thing. The term homophobia has been thrown around with gay abandon now for years, and has entered common parlance. What’s to stop a religious or other coalition campaigning to have the term listed on DSM 5 as a genuine phobia. ? If the term was officially recoginsed , the homophobic sufferers may be covered under the ADA ( US act ). It would be fun to watch the gay lobby campaigning against such a proposal, because they would in turn be subject to legal sanction..

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    Changing Qantas Sale Act not enough, says Alan Joyce

    OK, change the Qantas Sale Act. And change the cabotage restriction on domestic routes. Open the field to all comers.

    I don’t think that is what he meant though.

  104. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    No new Fred yet? Surely due by now.

  105. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    stalin’s butt-boy the cowardly racist trolls Bolt, now.

    Wonder why?

    Bob replied to Brett
    Fri 28 Feb 14 (03:01pm)
    The Opposition members obviously can’t be bothered wasting their time appearing on Australia’s lowest rating commercial network talking to the sort of shut-in viewer that would waste their Sunday morning watching Bolt’s drivel.

    and

    So Andrew it’s basically an hour long circle jerk of right wingers talking to almost no audience on Australia’s lowest rating commercial network (even the ABC is getting double the ratings of Channel Ten at the moment).

    Sounds like a completely pointless way to spend your Sunday morning.

    Bob (Reply)
    Fri 28 Feb 14 (03:03pm)

    Squealing like a stuck pig, isn’t he?

  106. johanna

    No Makka. Before you, or anyone else continues to beat up Abbott about the ABC, read the Act.

    The Government cannot tell the ABC how to spend its money.

    The Government cannot direct the ABC in relation to anything about programs or staffing arrangements.

    What’s more, their current funding is set in stone (short of an Act of Parliament) until June 30.

    The Board has no power worth speaking of, except appointing the CEO. Once appointed (usually for five years), the Board practically has to find him/her buggering a dog on national television to sack that person.

    That’s the reality that Abbott has inherited, and it is getting tiresome to see people here complaining that he hasn’t fixed it all by yesterday.

  107. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Beef..What you think the secret weapon to defeat Godzilla is, Beef? Mothra? Or something even more horrid?

    Double barrel

  108. Leigh Lowe

    Changing Qantas Sale Act not enough, says Alan Joyce

    He’s correct. How could they attract investment with the current IR system in place?

    He’s partially correct.
    But removing the handcuffs on the quota of local indolents he must tolerate on the shareholders teat would be a good start.
    He could immediately tell that buffoon Purvinas that any maintenance beyond flight-line checks is to be offshored.
    Admin functions could be immediately moved to a shared services centre offshore.
    Pilots might be harder to crack …. but once the protection racket of the Sale Act is gone the older wiser heads will remember ’89.
    Some jobs are necessarily local … flight-line maintenance, some catering, check-in staff.
    These could be done slowly.
    (1) Catering is largely outsourced now anyway, so not such a problem.
    (2) Offer one-off incentives for self check-in to wean people off the desk check-in.
    (3) As for Flight-line “maintenance”, don’t start me. This needs an independent review from a professional airline (like their partner Etihad) to get rid of this glorified anachronism of tyre kicking which is simply not required with modern aircraft. And the lazy dumbarses call themselves “Engineers”. They are not an engineer’s arsehole.

  109. stackja

    2GB news report boats ‘activists’ blocked traffic then cleared by police.
    https://www.livetraffic.com/desktop.html#textview
    This incident was closed on 28/02/2014 at 6:59pm:
    Incident SYDNEY George St at Liverpool St
    CHANGED TRAFFIC CONDITIONS Protest
    Started today 6:34pm, last checked today 6:59pm
    Heavy traffic conditions. Expect significant delays.
    Impact: Impact Southbound traffic affected.
    Attending: Emergency service(s)
    Advice: Expect delays
    Exercise caution

  110. Dan

    Was QANTAS correct in buying A380′s? They sure have spent a lot recently on planes that provide extra capacity while being squeezed out of routes

  111. Dan

    Was QANTAS correct in buying A380′s? They sure have spent a lot recently on planes that provide extra capacity while being squeezed out of routes

    [delete that other stuff up the email add. into moderation please Sinclair]

  112. Dan

    I gather everybody has scarpered to await the new thread and thereby claim first, second and even some idiots claiming 42nd or 150 odd, because, it’s fucking hilarious?

  113. Rabz

    Hey Tators – thanks for your support over at the Dumb.

  114. Rabz

    I gather everybody has scarpered to await the new thread

    They’ll be waiting at least three hours then.

  115. Makka

    “The Government cannot tell the ABC how to spend its money.”

    I didn’t say it did. I said the Govt can alter the funding for the ABC.

    “except appointing the CEO.”

    So, the Govt can alter the executive.

    I think you should read the comments as they are rather than interpret your view into them. There is a lot the Govt can do without Senate involvement. But chooses not to , whether you think it tiresome or not.

  116. Fleeced

    New thread doesn’t start until midnight, Dan… I suspect they disappeared coz it’s Friday night?

  117. Fleeced

    Last Day of Summer, too…

  118. Gab

    … and only 37 days till daylight saving (saving for what) ends. Yay.

  119. sdfc

    Summer and Daylight saving can fuck right off.

  120. Fleeced

    I should have said: Last Day of Summer

    … and only 37 days till daylight saving (saving for what) ends.

    BOOO!

    I forgot the Cat had some haters of all things good…

  121. Gab

    Mind you, it’s been the coldest summer in Melbourne for about 12 years.

  122. Rabz

    Last day of summer here in ZP and a mighty maximum of 18 degrees.

    That’s certainly not the normal kind of heat, I tells ya!

    :x

  123. Makka

    Snowden strikes again;

    “Files reveal that GCHQ inadvertently intercepted pornographic images with the project: “Unfortunately … it would appear that a surprising number of people use webcam conversations to show intimate parts of their body to the other person. ”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/10665599/GCHQ-secretly-captured-images-of-innocent-webcam-users.html

  124. kae

    Last day of Summer.

    Ripped off.

    There should be less days in July, not February. I’m all for a shorter winter!

    But I’m looking forward to the cool and lighting the fire here.

    (Doing my bit for glowbal war, erm, climate disruption.

  125. Leigh Lowe

    Winter is coming

    We will be wintering in Tuscany this year (which I will not gloat about at all).
    And we won’t be flying Quaintarse either.

  126. Tom

    Summer and Daylight saving can fuck right off.

    Oh noes! The beer was warm tonight at Che’s Freo Armani Cocktail Revolution, where sdfc drinks and compares moisturisers with IT.

  127. srr

    Lock up and don’t go investigating noises in the dark, if you’re within hours of Ararat…yes, another dangerous sex predator has walked out, again, with at least 5 knives.

    Pictures and details here -

    http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/sex-predator-sean-andrew-carmodycoyle-on-the-run-following-escape-from-corella-place-facility/story-fni0fee2-1226840398779

  128. johanna

    Makka, ABC Commissioners are appointed for fixed terms.

    Instead of complaining, perhaps you might suggest what the Government could do which does not involve breaking the law or trashing the Parliament?

  129. Armadillo

    Makka, ABC Commissioners are appointed for fixed terms.

    What is the length of the terms Johanna? I would imagine 5 years?

  130. Seriously, there are still those wasting valuable brainwaves on getting John Howard charged for war crimes or any other such nonsense…

    It is true, no one hates quite like those on the left…

  131. Makka

    johanna;

    A you can see, I refer to the executive , not commissioners.

    “Up to seven Directors are appointed by the Governor-General on the recommendation of the Government. The Managing Director is appointed by the Board.

    The ABC Act requires that Directors must be experienced in broadcasting, communications or management, or have expertise in financial or technical matters, or have cultural or other interests relevant to the provision of broadcasting services.”

    http://about.abc.net.au/who-we-are/the-abc-board/

    Who controls the Board, appoints the MD and therefore controls the ABC.

    No laws broken, nothing trashed. No drama either. The changes? Cut the ABC funding by 50% and see what they can come up with. Lots of scope to improve things there.

  132. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    I see our contemptible coward has crawled away again.

  133. dismissive

    Good luck sacking board members – from the ABC Act1983 as amended

    18 Removal from office of non-executive Directors
    (1) The Governor-General may remove a non-executive Director from office for misbehaviour or physical or mental incapacity.
    (2) If:
    (a) a non-executive Director:
    (i) becomes bankrupt, applies to take the benefit of any law for the relief of bankrupt or insolvent debtors, compounds with his or her creditors or makes an assignment of his or her remuneration for their benefit;
    or
    (ii) fails, without reasonable excuse, to comply with his or her obligations under section 27F or 27J of the
    Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act 1997; or
    (b) the Chairperson, or a Director acting as Chairperson, is absent, except with the leave of the Minister, from 3 consecutive meetings of the Board; or
    (c) a non-executive Director (other than the Chairperson or a Director acting as Chairperson) is absent, except with the leave of the Chairperson or, if a Director is acting as Chairperson, with the leave of the Director so acting, from 3 consecutive meetings of the Board;
    the Governor-General shall remove the Director concerned from office.

  134. candy

    Autumn is coming, which is worse.
    “Seasons of mists and mellow fruitfulness” doesn’t inspire me. I don’t like autumn.

  135. Makka

    Additionally on the ABC I would expect them to deliver on their Charter, particularly this part below. There should be an independent permanent Ombudsman or committee with the authority to punish the ABC for breaches of it’s Charter;

    “2 Accuracy
    Principles

    The ABC has a statutory duty to ensure that the gathering and presentation of news and
    information is accurate according to the recognised standards of objective journalism.
    Credibility depends heavily on factual accuracy.

    The ABC accuracy standard applies to assertions of fact, not to expressions of opinion.
    An opinion, being a value judgement or conclusion, cannot be found to be accurate or
    inaccurate in the way facts can. The accuracy standard requires that opinions be conveyed
    accurately, in the sense that quotes should be accurate and any editing should not
    distort the meaning of the opinion expressed”

    http://about.abc.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/EditorialPOL2011.pdf

  136. Leigh Lowe

    Good luck sacking board members – from the ABC Act1983 as amended

    Don’t sack ‘em.
    Stack ‘em.
    Find 20 reliable hard-arses and appoint them to the board.
    The lefty fuckers would be outvoted at every turn.

  137. Makka

    “Good luck sacking board members”

    Sacking is just one way of changing members of the Board. There are others.

  138. stackja

    2GB news later report boats ‘activists’ led by Ian Rintoul blocked traffic then cleared by police.

  139. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Hey, is it wrong to want ABC reform through bastinado?

    I do not think flogging would work, as Hellfire Club members they like that sort of thing…

  140. dismissive

    And the charter – from the Act

    6 Charter of the Corporation
    (1) The functions of the Corporation are:
    (a) to provide within Australia innovative and comprehensive broadcasting services of a high standard as part of the Australian broadcasting system consisting of national, commercial and community sectors and, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, to provide:
    (i) broadcasting programs that contribute to a sense of national identity and inform and entertain, and reflect the cultural diversity of, the Australian community; and
    (ii) broadcasting programs of an educational nature;
    (b) to transmit to countries outside Australia broadcasting programs of news, current affairs, entertainment and cultural enrichment that will:
    (i) encourage awareness of Australia and an international understanding of Australian attitudes on world affairs; and
    (ii) enable Australian citizens living or travelling outside Australia to obtain information about Australian affairs and Australian attitudes on world affairs; and
    (c ) to encourage and promote the musical, dramatic and other performing arts in Australia.
    (2) In the provision by the Corporation of its broadcasting services within Australia:
    (a) the Corporation shall take account of:
    (i) the broadcasting services provided by the commercial and community sectors of the Australian broadcasting system;
    (ii) the standards from time to time determined by the ACMA in respect of broadcasting services;
    (iii) the responsibility of the Corporation as the provider of an independent national broadcasting service to provide a balance between broadcasting programs of wide appeal and specialized broadcasting programs;
    (iv) the multicultural character of the Australian community;
    and
    (v) in connection with the provision of broadcasting programs of an educational nature—the responsibilities of the States in relation to education; and
    (b) the Corporation shall take all such measures, being measures consistent with the obligations of the Corporation under paragraph (a), as, in the opinion of the Board, will be conducive to the full development by the Corporation of suitable broadcasting programs.
    (3) The functions of the Corporation under subsection (1) and the duties imposed on the Corporation under subsection (2) constitute the Charter of the Corporation.
    (4) Nothing in this section shall be taken to impose on the Corporation a duty that is enforceable by proceedings in a court.

  141. dismissive

    and the minister struggles to give instructions …

    78 Power of Minister to give directions to Corporation in the
    national interest
    (1) If the Minister is of the opinion that the broadcasting of particular matter by the Corporation would be in the national interest, the Minister may direct the Corporation to broadcast that matter over all of its national broadcasting services or over such of them as are specified in the direction. If such a direction is given, the
    Corporation must broadcast that matter, free of charge, in accordance with the direction.
    (2) In subsection (1):
    national broadcasting services has the meaning given by section 13 of the Broadcasting Services Act 1992.
    (3) Subsection (1) has effect subject to section 79A.
    (4) A direction under this section shall be sent by telegraph, or by notice in writing, to the Managing Director.
    (5) Where the Minister gives a direction to the Corporation under this section, the Minister shall cause a statement setting out particulars of, and the reasons for, the direction to be laid before each House of the Parliament within 7 sitting days of that House after the direction was given.
    (6) Except as provided by this section, or as expressly provided by a provision of another Act, the Corporation is not subject to direction by or on behalf of the Government of the Commonwealth.
    (7) Without limiting subsection (6), sections 28 and 48A of the Commonwealth Authorities and Companies Act 1997 do not apply in relation to the Corporation.

  142. dismissive

    Ah – stacking

    The Board shall consist of:
    (a) the Managing Director; and
    (c) not fewer than 5 nor more than 7 other Directors

  143. Makka

    The ABC Charter and Impartiality. The Gov’t and taxpayers should condone these type of breaches?;

    4 Impartiality and diversity
    of perspectives

    Principles
    The ABC has a statutory duty to ensure that the gathering and presentation of news and
    information is impartial according to the recognised standards of objective journalism.
    Aiming to equip audiences to make up their own minds is consistent with the public
    service character of the ABC. A democratic society depends on diverse sources of
    reliable information and contending opinions. A broadcaster operating under statute
    with public funds is legitimately expected to contribute in ways that may differ from
    commercial media, which are free to be partial to private interests.
    Judgements about whether impartiality was achieved in any given circumstances can
    vary among individuals according to their personal and subjective view of any given matter
    of contention. Acknowledging this fact of life does not change the ABC’s obligation to
    apply its impartiality standard as objectively as possible. In doing so, the ABC is guided
    by these hallmarks of impartiality:
    • a balance that follows the weight of evidence;

    • fair treatment;
    • open-mindedness; and
    • opportunities over time for principal relevant perspectives on matters of contention
    to be expressed.”

  144. dismissive

    Makka

    That is a translation of the Act

    8 Duties of the Board
    (1) It is the duty of the Board:
    (a) to ensure that the functions of the Corporation are performed efficiently and with the maximum benefit to the people of Australia;
    (b) to maintain the independence and integrity of the Corporation;
    (c ) to ensure that the gathering and presentation by the Corporation of news and information is accurate and impartial according to the recognized standards of objective journalism; and
    (d) to ensure that the Corporation does not contravene, or fail to comply with:
    (i) any of the provisions of this Act or any other Act that are applicable to the Corporation; or
    (ii) any directions given to, or requirements made in relation to, the Corporation under any of those
    provisions; and
    (e) to develop codes of practice relating to:
    (i) programming matters; and
    (ii) if the Corporation has the function of providing a datacasting service under section 6A—that service;
    and to notify those codes to the ACMA.
    (2) If the Minister at any time furnishes to the Board a statement of the policy of the Commonwealth Government on any matter relating to broadcasting, or any matter of administration, that is relevant to the performance of the functions of the Corporation and requests the Board to consider that policy in the performance of its functions, the Board shall ensure that consideration is given to that policy.
    (3) Nothing in subsection (1) or (2) is to be taken to impose on the Board a duty that is enforceable by proceedings in a court.

  145. johanna

    Armadillo, they are usually appointed for three years. But we have had several conservatives appointed to the ABC Board over the years, and it made no difference. Apart from appointing the CEO, I have no idea why we are paying them.

    Makka, reducing the ABC’s funding by 50% (even if that was doable, which it isn’t) changes nothing. It is the fact that they have absolutely no constraints on how they spend their money and what they do that is the problem. They are a power unto themselves. The next Government that comes along will happily throw money at them in return for political favours.

    What is needed is a structural and graduated approach.

    First, you amalgamate the ABC and SBS, withdrawing $100m or so because of efficiencies. Let them fight it out – let’s see who trumps whom among the Luvvies.

    Next year, you delete a couple of TV channels (and radio as applicable) that are currently devoted to repeats, and sell them to commercial providers. They are hogging spectrum and adding no value. Needless to say, this also means that they no longer need the staff and infrastructure to service them.

    And so on. Needless to say, they will squeal like stuck pigs, but the fact is that the vast majority of people don’t watch them and couldn’t care less. At all times, deep and abiding commitment to the concept could be pledged.

    That’s an example of a practical strategy. All this “Abolish the ABC! Tony Abbot is a weakling!” stuff really gives me the shits. That’s not the real world of Australian politics.

    If you want a banana republic, go and live in one.

  146. .

    Really?

    Abbot will likely have a friendly Senate. All he has to do is put forward a bill to do so.

    If no one watches then we are pissing money away.

  147. sdfc

    Oh noes! The beer was warm tonight at Che’s Freo Armani Cocktail Revolution, where sdfc drinks and compares moisturisers with IT.

    Beer goes down too fast on a day like today to get warm Tom. I probably don’t use enough moisturiser. That’s more the purview of the better educated western suburbs crowd. People like IT.

  148. Makka

    dismissive;

    “2) If the Minister at any time furnishes to the Board a statement of the policy of the Commonwealth Government on any matter relating to broadcasting, or any matter of administration, that is relevant to the performance of the functions of the Corporation and requests the Board to consider that policy in the performance of its functions, the Board shall ensure that consideration is given to that policy.”

    Please don’t try to tell me the Govt holds no sway over the ABC, how it is run, the funds it consumes or where it’s priorities should be. The ABC is feral and remains so at the Govt’s choosing. Abbott should bite the bullet and take this seditious lot to task – legally – and render them completely impotent.

  149. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Richard Fernandez in fine form again.

    Apparently, Preshizzle O’Dumbugger the Incompetent (Paco ™) has warned Russia that he’s really, really, really serious this time and that if they invade the Crimea he won’t give Putin quite as nice a BJ next time Putin snaps his fingers and points to his tockley!

  150. Makka

    “If you want a banana republic, go and live in one.”

    Do get off your high horse johanna.

    “They are a power unto themselves”

    And therein is the problem that must be changed. Fix that, you fix the ABC for good. And Abbott is being weak by allowing the ABC to prosper on taxpayer money while it undermines the Govt and skews public opinion.

    And if this opinion gives you the shits, don’t fkn read it.

  151. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Goodbye Summer. I’m being sent to bed early-ish again, to catch up even more on sleep.
    Da Hairy Ape in an authoritative decision-making mood about my tired mooching around.
    See you tomorrow, Autumn. An image to take to bed.
    And wake up in da marnin’ to a brand new t’read.

    No. He didn’t say that. I made it up.

  152. dismissive

    Makka

    According to the legislation (my reading matches with Johanna’s comments)
    1) The board is God. It defines whether what is done meets the charter, what impartiality is etc.
    2) The Minister can’t sack the board.
    3) The Minister can’t stack the board.

    The legislation allows for board appointments of UP To 5 years with extensions.

    I don’t know if it got through but one of Gillard’s moves was to require the Minister to choose new board members from a short list provided by the board. If said minister went outside this it had to go to parliament.

    NOTE: all of this lock down process began in 1972 when Whitlam sacked the board/commission and stacked the crap out of it. Fraser tried the same but Whitlam had locked enough doors to stop it.

  153. dismissive

    So, to change the ABC, the govt needs a compliant senate or a double dissolution with this as one of the triggers. (and win the election) The joint session would pass the legislation.

  154. dismissive

    I know nothing about the funding.
    I also frankly know nothing about the ABC but I have read the legislation.

  155. Grigory M

    No. He didn’t say that. I made it up.

    Begorrah. And so ye did.

  156. Makka

    dismissive;

    “1) The board is God. It defines whether what is done meets the charter, what impartiality is etc.”

    True. However Board compositions change all the time. People move on to bigger and better things, they leave for personal reasons , they don’t agree with the direction of the entity etc. And, they get removed yes , or think it their interests to leave. The Board composition can change and be changed.

    Over time there is no reason why the aspects of adjudicating on the Charter cannot be taken away from the Board and reside with an independent Authority. Why should the ABC Board decide what is or not a breach of it’s own Charter, when it is funded by Taxpayers? The Board do not have shares in the ABC.

    Funding the ABC is the responsibility of Govt. ie the Minister.

    So, there is a multitude of ways to legally bring about change at the ABC, if the Govt had a mind to do so.

  157. Cold-Hands

    Fleeced, it’s a piss take. TonyN would post that every morning just to annoy people

    The other thing being that TonyN is based in Perth, so most of the time his “Good Mornings” were mid-afternoon for the Eastern-staters, hence the use of a sarcastic “Good morning TonyN” to acknowledge him, no matter what time of the day.

  158. Rabz

    Al this “Ablish the ALPBC! Tonee Abot is a weekling!” stuf reelly gibes me the shirts. That’s not the reel wold of Austraan politiics.

    Iff yoo warnt a banaaana reoublic, go and libe in one.

    As I’ve had to patiently explain to doubters before, you’ll see both the money and the benefits when the assets are liquidated.

    Sod gradualism.

    It means we’re no better than them.

    :x

    P.S. Joh – you really need to employ a spellchecker.

  159. johanna

    Abbott should bite the bullet and take this seditious lot to task – legally – and render them completely impotent.

    How exactly?

    OK, you are Tony Abbott, sitting in his chair today. What would you do? Since you don’t even seem to have bothered to find out what the constraints he is operating under are before you went ballistic, I’m interested to know if your views have changed.

    There are two ways to attack the ABC. One is the strategic approach I outlined above. The other is to go into the Senate with the equivalent of a toddler’s “I want everything now!!”

    Good luck with the latter, which would probably set reform of the ABC back a decade.

  160. sdfc

    What do you think Obama should do Mk50 if the Russians, say, invaded Crimea?

  161. dismissive

    Makka

    All of the things you are suggesting take either legislation or vast amounts of time. (As I say I know nothing about the funding.) Let’s face it if you were a board member – part time – well paid – why would you leave?

    The ABC board IS the independent entity! To change things must use legislation. No options I can see after reading the legislation.

  162. Rabz

    What do you think Obama should do Mk50 if the Russians, say, invaded Crimea?

    Don the Stahlhelm and consult General von Manstein.

  163. dismissive

    So yes, I agree with Rabz. If you have to legislate to change then legislate to SHUT IT DOWN.

  164. johanna

    Sorry, Rabz, I’ll try to be better in future. :(

  165. Rabz

    Jo – do not depart from the Pardee Line, I tells ya!

    :)

  166. Cold-Hands

    Now he has become a diseased old elitist bigot who makes my skin creep because he sides with the forces of hatred. He is the living dead.

    Leunig’s book is on the reading list as a prescribed text for English in Year 12 in Victoria. Pity the poor kids being forced to study such rubbish.

  167. sdfc

    Rabz

    I’m reading Tooze’s book at the moment. There was a crazy logic to Barbarossa.

  168. srr

    there is a multitude of ways to legally bring about change at the ABC, if the Govt had a mind to do so.

    Yes.
    And there is nothing illegal about convincing people that choosing a career change while it is their choice, is a smart move.

    Seriously, what sort of idiots want to get themselves permanently branded, dumb bunnies, bleating goats and squealing pigs, before they join the growing hoards of job hunters.

  169. johanna

    But anyone who thinks that they could get shutting down the ABC through this, or the next, and quite likely the next, Senate – is dreamin’.

    Apart from anything else, the agrarian socialists and quite a few LINOS would kill it stone dead.

    Get real, people.

  170. candy

    OK, you are Tony Abbott, sitting in his chair today. What would you do?

    Well Johanna, he can just sit there and look quite handsome, that’s enough.

    I think he’s got more to worry about than the ABC right now, although they are seditious, imo. The economy is the disturbing thing right now. Priorities.

  171. Rabz

    There was a crazy logic to Barbarossa.

    With the emphasis on the crazy.

    The most brutal conflict in human history, bar none.

  172. Gab

    But anyone who thinks that they could get shutting down the ABC through this, or the next, and quite likely the next, Senate – is dreamin’.

    What if Abbott took it to the new election? Defund the ABC, I mean. It could be his “GST” moment.

  173. Rabz

    But anyone who thinks that they could get shutting down the ALPBC

    Dare to dream, peoples!

    We can remove these staggeringly stupid, sanctimonious, elitist tax hoovers from our lives and our wallets, with minimal effort – you knows it to be true!

    Just keep badgering those braindead liberal/agrarian socialist idiots you willingly voted for last election and they will eventually, give in.

    The peoples united, in their hatred of the ALPBC, will never be defeated, we tells ya!
    :)

  174. Tintarella di Luna

    Woo Hoo, March Quadrant has arrived, and The Spectator. There goes the afternoon.

    Rafe got mine delivered to my desk this morning by our young work experience Muslim girl. Interesting article on forced Muslim marriages prominent on the front page. Now home will get the Spectator from the mail box on the morrow

  175. sdfc

    According to Tooze they simply calculated that they needed the Soviet Union’s resources and complete domination of Europe to fight the war against the USA and Britain. Hitler had pretty much complete authority after the victory in France and pushed it through

  176. dismissive

    I reckon they are using this bit to justify their lack of impartiality –

    (a) the Corporation shall take account of:
    (i) the broadcasting services provided by the commercial and community sectors of the Australian Broadcasting system;

    Where I think you could also use this as a DON’T compete clause. As in the commercials/community broadcasters/other media does this – we should get out of it. They are saying we must do it too!

  177. Makka

    “All of the things you are suggesting take either legislation or vast amounts of time. (As I say I know nothing about the funding.) Let’s face it if you were a board member – part time – well paid – why would you leave?”

    Ok so you agree that changing the ABC is possible, which I have been saying all along. If you haven’t worked it out yet, Board compositions can change for a multitude of reasons. That does not need legislation and it happens all the time. If you don’t know how Boards operate and change then do find out.

    My recommendations are not must haves “right now”. The funding is reviewed at Budget time.

    “There are two ways to attack the ABC. One is the strategic approach I outlined above. The other is to go into the Senate with the equivalent of a toddler’s “I want everything now!!”

    There you go again, distorting comments to your view. You are the one going ballistic. Where have I stated “everything now” is my preferred approach? You really should calm down and stop the distortions. It may work in the Public Service, but in the real world it’s seen for what it is- bullshit and bluster.

  178. Rabz

    The Nayzees lost WW2 when they refused to be bothered with subduing Britain.

    By October 1940 the corporal was drooling about his eternal role in history as the slayer of the Red Dragon*.

    A fantasy he’d been drooling about for decades.

    All of eastern Europe lay before his minions, ready to be plundered.

    TBC.

    *Not the one we were recently cursed with.

  179. Fleeced

    OK, lets see if we can get to page 6 before the new thread starts…

  180. Fleeced

    *Not the one we were recently cursed with.

    Or was it?!

  181. Makka

    “And there is nothing illegal about convincing people that choosing a career change while it is their choice, is a smart move.”

    It happens all the time. It’s how Gov’ts and big corps work.

  182. Fleeced

    So to even change the board of the ABC effectively requires an Act of Parliament.

    Let’s Do it!

  183. sdfc

    The Nayzees lost WW2 when they refused to be bothered with subduing Britain. Weren’t capable it seems.

  184. Armadillo

    OK, lets see if we can get to page 6 before the new thread starts…

  185. Fleeced

    Study: Global Warming Will Cause 180,000 More Rapes by 2099 [Via Blair]

    Global Warming is so… misogynist!

  186. Rabz

    Weren’t capable it seems.

    And there endeth the lesson.

  187. srr

    “And there is nothing illegal about convincing people that choosing a career change while it is their choice, is a smart move.”

    It happens all the time. It’s how Gov’ts and big corps work.

    Yes Makka, you know it, I know it and I can’t help but wonder why some keep pretending no one knows it.

  188. entropy

    Just starve it. Merge ABC with SBS and cut its funding to the level equivalent to the smallest FTA broadcaster. On what grounds could they argue it needs to be bigger than a commercial network? Certainly not viewer numbers.

  189. Fleeced

    This is almost amusing:

    Michael Adebolajo, 29, and Michael Adebowale, 22, had to be manhandled out of court by security guards after being told by Mr Justice Sweeney that their crime was a “betrayal of Islam”.

    Adebolajo screamed at the judge as he was manhandled down the dock stairs in the historic Court No 2 but, in scenes lasting several minutes, his co-defendant was held to the floor and cuffed before being carried downstairs head first …

    Angered by the judges’ comments about Islam, Adebowale stood up and shouted: “That’s a lie. It’s not a betrayal of Islam. You don’t know what Islam is.”

    Seriously though, does anybody have any idea what motivated them to attack? It was just a random killing, wasn’t it?

  190. Rabz

    Seriously though, does anybody have any idea what motivated them to attack?

    Someone offered them some bacon with their breakfast that morning?

    Does it really fucking matter?

    I’m more concerned about why we’re still expected to try and share a planet with these insane, z-grade psychopaths.

    Enough, FFS.

  191. dismissive

    Makka

    I have been a director of a number of companies both executive and non-executive. I understand many of the methods to move directors. I have used them. I agree pressure can be exerted but I doubt it will occur.
    Note below the members and their current end of term. From here.

    Board Member End date
    Professor Fiona Stanley AC FAA FASSA 29 June 2016
    Steven Skala AO 23 November 2015
    Prof Julianne Schultz AM FAHA 26 March 2014
    Matt Peacock (an ABC journo) 21 April 2018
    Simon Mordant AM 7 November 2017
    Jane Bennett 29 June 2016
    Cheryl Bart AO 2 June 2015
    The Hon James Spigelman AC QC 31 March 2017

  192. Fleeced

    Does it really fucking matter?

    I was being sarcastic, Rabz :)

    As Blair pointed out, those at ABC and ABS were still looking for “motives” days after the attack. And even now, the judge makes excuses that, “Oh well, that’s not real Islam”

  193. Fleeced

    ABS = SBS… oops (apologies to Bureau of Statistics)

  194. Armadillo

    Seriously though, does anybody have any idea what motivated them to attack?

    Someone offered them some bacon with their breakfast that morning?

    Does it really fucking matter?

    It does in the sense that you have to destroy the nest.

  195. dismissive

    ABS = SBS… oops (apologies to Bureau of Statistics)

    Never apologise to the ABS – they are totalitarian assholes.

  196. johanna

    Candy is right.

    It would be utterly stupid and suicidal for the government to spend all its political capital on getting into a brawl about the destruction of the ABC, which is not going to happen anyway.

    Remember, the next Budget will have to go through the current Senate. They will be able to trim it, but not by much. Get used to it, and stop blaming the victim. Or go and live in a banana republic.

  197. sdfc

    Totalitarians who deliver a very good service.

  198. dismissive

    I expect you are correct. This budget they will close the Australia Network cutting the ABC by 250Million.
    A good start.

  199. Fleeced

    Someone offered them some bacon with their breakfast that morning?

    …But what really got him angry, was that they didn’t bring a high chair for his wife!

  200. dismissive

    The ABS are scum who are one of the major costs to business. They should be abolished immediately.

  201. Rabz

    I was being sarcastic

    And Fleeced, I was being serious – why are we still thinking we can share a planet with these evil, psychopathic, z-grade, stone age bigots?

    :)

  202. sdfc

    Yeah filling in a survey is a massive cost.

  203. WhaleHunt Fun

    Defund it completely and without warning, allowing it to go broke. An ABC unable to pay outstanding entitlements to the staff would be hilarious. The entertainment value of the whining lefties with no TV station to whine on would be joyous to hear.

  204. dismissive

    Yeah filling in a survey is a massive cost.

    Run a lot of businesses then?

  205. Cold-Hands

    The first thing to go is to remove the staff member on the ABC Board.

  206. Fleeced

    Don’t defund it… Give it to Rupert and Gina – just for laughs

  207. dismissive

    The first thing to go is to remove the staff member on the ABC Board.

    They are not a staff rep.

  208. sdfc

    Yeah I’ve filled in the survey for a previous employer and my current employer also reports. We have a home business. How inefficient do you have to be to have trouble with an ABS survey?

  209. dover_beach

    I was being sarcastic, Rabz :)

    Poor Rabz. Fleeced, is that health condition that knocked you a while back behind you now?

  210. dismissive

    Oh you just get the quarterly return then – easy.

  211. Nic

    Why cut spending that a Labor Government can replace ? Nobble it forever

  212. Cold-Hands

    They are not a staff rep.

    ?According to his profile he is a staff elected board member.

  213. Armadillo

    It would be utterly stupid and suicidal for the government to spend all its political capital on getting into a brawl about the destruction of the ABC, which is not going to happen anyway.

    And the ABC knows it. In fact, they stick their middle finger up at ordinary Australians at every opportunity. As always, arrogance is the weapon that turns around and stabs you in the heart.

  214. WhaleHunt Fun

    I have wondered whether the Owners of the Free To Air stations should all be on the board of the ABC. It could be used as a training ground for staff skills. A rule that no person may work for the ABC for more than five years in their life. Free to air staff could rotate through on secondments.
    A wild thought. I stll prefer selling off the organs of the staff to pay down govt debt, but if that is not allowed and no one defunds it, then … perhaps the above.

  215. sdfc

    What specifically do you have problems with?

  216. dismissive

    Staff elected Board members were supposed to have been abolished … strange. My error.

  217. dismissive

    Now. Nada!

    Then (10 years ago) 2 days a week of staff time. (and yes we worked very hard to get it down to that.) We were on the major reporting schedule.

  218. johanna

    Defund it completely and without warning, allowing it to go broke. An ABC unable to pay outstanding entitlements to the staff would be hilarious. The entertainment value of the whining lefties with no TV station to whine on would be joyous to hear.

    We could all watch it on a TV made of unicorn horns, powered by the windmill out the back.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch …

  219. WhaleHunt Fun

    . How inefficient do you have to be to have trouble with an ABS survey?

    In our industry the fools at the ABS cannot explain what products fit in which category which results in each company assigning the sales volumes differently. The numbers are total rubbish.And waste the time of a person in each of the larger companies.

  220. Gab

    ABC is the lowest ranked by viewership and yet it continues to be funded by the taxpayer.

  221. Fleeced

    Fleeced, is that health condition that knocked you a while back behind you now?

    Not quite. Recently had another seizure :(

  222. kae

    Fleeced
    I’m lucky, I only have gout.
    I’d hate not to be able to drive – has your condition caused you not to be permitted to drive?

  223. dismissive

    Oh yes of course. We had no idea. We just made money.

    They wanted a whole bunch of different information (5 different survey groups) that had no relevance to running our business. Not useful, complex and irrelevant. They had to have it in time or fines were invoked. So it was either spend vast sums putting in systems to deliver their answers (which gave our business no benefit) or put somebody aside 40% to work for the ABS. 40% was far cheaper.

  224. Fleeced

    I assume no driving allowed again after latest seizure… Usually six months, I think – have to confirm (it’s a self reporting thing)

  225. Cold-Hands

    Sorry to hear that, Fleeced.

  226. sdfc

    In our industry the fools at the ABS cannot explain what products fit in which category which results in each company assigning the sales volumes differently.

    If true you are obviously very disorganised.

  227. Rabz

    Poor Rabz.

    You stupid, pompous dildo – go back and read and my original reply – sarcastic enough for you, sweetie?

    P.S. Bacon was mentioned – horrific, I know.

  228. Rabz

    Especially given I never eat it and can’t to this day comprehend why people do.

  229. Fleeced

    You don’t like bacon? Have you seen a doctor?

  230. Rabz

    I’m Jewish, you brain damaged fuck.

  231. Fleeced

    LOL. Have you tried not being Jewish? You know, Jesus died so you can eat bacon.

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