Panic in the capitals of Europe

It’s not as if Obama’s intentions from the start were difficult to read. He’s a hard left ideologue whose greatest hatreds are for the civilisation of the West and in particular the country of which he is president. That there are revelations upon revelations as one by one, but ever so slowly, the truth begins to dawn on those fools who elected him, or the international mobs who supported him, is something like a revelation to me. Just how self-deluded can these people really have been. This is from Richard Fernandez:

The capitals of Europe have gone from complacency to a near panic in the last 72 hours, not simply over the crisis in the Ukraine but in the growing awareness that for at least the last half decade they’ve been standing on a trapdoor.

Are they really that clueless? Could they really not see that Obama is their greatest enemy? We are living in a sea of troubles, which are building not going away, and the American defence budget is about to be slashed. Could these people really not see it coming? Whatever the panic that may suddenly have overtaken them, did they really have no inking of the kind of person Obama is, what his beliefs are and the end points he has been aiming at. Listen to Fernandez himself, who still writes as if Obama wants to do the right thing by America and the West:

To see it coming would have invalidated the fundamental premise of Obama’s foreign policy: that the train line was unobstructed; that he could talk to people he now knows he can’t talk to. For a while the deal making seemed too almost too good to be true and Obama marketed his “opportunities” and “investments” with almost evangelical zeal. Even now Obama plans to tell Benjamin Netanyahu that time is running out for Israel to make a deal with the Palestinians. One of those magic deals Kerry’s negotiated, like the one with Syria. He is figuring to tell the Israeli prime minister he had better buy now while supplies last or miss the deal of the century, the deal of a lifetime! Maybe he even plans to exhibit all the notices he’s received from his “partners for peace” about how close he is to grabbing the Big Brass Ring.

“The fundamental premises of Obama’s foreign policy”! It really is pathetic. The principle of Obama’s foreign policy is to encourage our enemies, and the greatest possible triumph in Obama’s mind would be the destruction of Israel. More from Drudge:

Obama warns of ‘fallout’ for Israel if peace effort fails…

‘Time Is Running Out’…

USA pushing Israel to stop assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists…

Basically, it’s the USA pushing Israel to stop defending itself. That he will never get them to do, but he might get the US to stop providing help. That’s the aim. And as for us out here in the South Pacific the message is equally grim. No immediate threats at the moment but with America withdrawn from active engagement and too broke to really do anything, and more so as time goes by, where does our safety lie, thinking say a decade or two ahead?

The kind of empty thought processes that seem to animate political decisions is a never ending frustration for me, but the mere 6% of Australians who supported Romney at the last American election has left me with the profound belief that the world map a century hence will look nothing like the one we see today. Some people will be on top – who I do not know – and a lot more will be on the bottom, and the possibilities of peace, freedom and prosperity will have withered. But it is the present delusion that Obama is a fit and proper president, that he intends to do the right thing and is trying to make the world a better place for the likes of us, still does not go away. We will reap the whirlwind and never know why that was.

UPDATE: From The Diplomad, Climbing Out of the Obama Foreign Policy Hole:

The Obama foreign policy team is peopled by the “well-educated,” i.e., they have college degrees, and as befits the “well educated” in today’s America, they are stunningly ignorant and arrogant leftists, but mostly just idiots. They do not make plans; they tend to fly by the seat of their pants using a deeply ingrained anti-US default setting for navigation. They react to the Beltway crowd of NGOs, “activists” of various stripes, NPR, the Washington Post and the New York Times. Relying on what they “know,” they ensure the US does not appear as a bully, or an interventionist when it comes to our enemies: after all, we did something to make them not like us. Long-term US allies they view as anti-poor, anti-Third World, and retrograde Cold Warriors. Why else would somebody befriend the US? Obama’s NSC and State are staffed with people who do not know the history of the United States, and, simply, do not understand or appreciate the importance of the United States in and to the world. They are embarrassed by and, above all, do not like the United States. They look down on the average American, and have no problem with anti-American regimes and personages because overwhelmingly they are anti-American themselves.

His conclusion is what I was trying to say:

Above all, we need men and women in the highest reaches of our government who know, understand, and love the greatness that is Western civilization, especially that variant of it handed us by our great English forefathers, and the role the USA should and must play in ensuring its survival. We do not have that now; freedom-loving people around the world pay the price for that hideous fact, and that must change. That is the only way out of this hole dug by the Obamistas and their “progressive” groupies.

I just make the further point that it is now unimaginable to me that the United States could elect such a government which is what makes me pessimistic about our future. And while all this goes on, the headline at Drudge is, RUSSIACHINA UNITE!.

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332 Responses to Panic in the capitals of Europe

  1. blogstrop

    More than a handful’s a waste.

  2. Grigory M

    Your humour needs more work, Grigory.

    I think I’ll give up on it, Bloggy. It’s not really me.

  3. Bons

    Does the US really have any vital national interests in Ukraine
    Yep – and its called democracy. Or do you pragmitists think this to be irrelevant against the background of the overwhelmingly more important SA election?

  4. Driftforge

    Yes, democracy is decidedly of the left, so will be supported by the US.

    There is an election in South Africa? I thought just the cricket..

  5. Vasily

    @ Zaphod

    It goes back to Russian usage for designation of Ukraine as “the borderland”, descriptive rather than nominal. In English I don’t know why.

    @ Infidel Tiger

    Your remark is chauvinistic. I suppose you imagine we don’t have concept of plumbing either!

    @ blogstrop
    You are too cynical. Proper means were never tried, especially after US $ started flooding in to incite violent civil disobedience. Democracy in the eastern Europe is young, consider the history of England or even USA for comparative purposes. Perfection takes time.

  6. blogstrop

    Grig, the trick is to not look like you’re having a go at conservatives, but instead look like you’re having a go at “useful” lefties. We’re still divided over whether Hammy is real or a piss-take. I’m on the real side of the argument, given his obsessive and often totally credible (from a lefty point of view) writings.
    There has been no better piss-take than Margot’s Maid back on the old Tim Blair site. They don’t come along that good that often, but Arlene Composta did take the cake.

  7. Fleeced

    It’s Ukraine not the Ukraine apparently

    I remember when Facebook was The Facebook.

    True story.

  8. Fisky

    The truth of this statement is killing me. How did it come to this?
    In the (paraphrased) words of Théoden “What can man do against such reckless idiocy and self hate”.

    Have you heard of the Fisk Doctrine? It’s a detailed plan for constitutional and legal reform that would effectively ban Leftism in all its manifestations, for at least a 10-year period (but with regular reviews and provisions for extension), so that we can right the ship.

  9. lotocoti

    Everyone amend your style guide.
    Old and busted: The genie of hate.
    The new hotness: The sorry fruit.

  10. C.L.

    Cory needs to start his own party, the “Illiberals”.

    Since when is opposing child abuse illiberal?

  11. blogstrop

    Cory is a champ. Should be more like him.

  12. 2dogs

    Vasily, what is your view on the possibility of dividing the country into an eastern and western Ukraine?

    It seems Putin may be okay with that idea, but do you know why so many European leaders and even Gorby has opposed it? They speak against it, but don’t explain themselved very well.

  13. Driftforge

    Heh the thought of the Manus Island Riot Squad invading Vladivostok… it’s winter there and the Manus boys have never known a night cooler than 30C…

  14. Tel

    The ALP are in the lead in opinion polls.

    Didn’t get reflected at the recent Griffith by-election, actually the swing was in the opposite direction to what the polls predicted.

    The USA is a mess.

    If you believe in the founding principles of the USA you shouldn’t be at all surprised when by abandoning those principles they screwed themselves up. The only question is how long before they wake up to the fact.

    The UK is a worse one,

    Yeah well the rot set in a long time ago, might be better to keep right on walking past that one.

    … and Oz is well down the same path.”

    We aren’t too stupid to learn from other’s mistakes. There’s an outside chance that multiculturalism might turn out to be valuable after all.

  15. Grigory M

    Grig, the trick is to not look like you’re having a go at conservatives, but instead look like you’re having a go at “useful” lefties.

    Conform or else, Bloggy?. Bit patronizing. Fuck that.

  16. Tiny Dancer

    Pleased to serve. No thanks required.

  17. Arnost

    Vasily:

    Rule of law means abide by due process

    Hey Baz! Hungary; Czechoslovakia; Georgia – all abided by the rule of law until the tanks rolled in. I understand the Верховна Рада України has voted out Viktor Yanukovich on 22 Feb… I understand that thst was “overwhlmingly endorsed by all rada members. That is therefore law… Is it not?

    And that’s why you need the tanks to roll in again… Right?

    oh look what’s up

  18. Vasily

    @ 2dogs

    A definite possibility, and better than war.

    @ Arnost

    Did it have moral power with many members absent?
    What about Ukrainian reneging on the deal with Yanukovych?
    All this is for the historians to decide with the perspective of distance.

  19. slackster

    People should do some research into who financed and made up the government of revolutionary Russia to get an understanding of why Putin is doing what he is now

  20. Vasily

    @ 2dogs

    In the abstract, cultural, linguistic and religious differences can be overcome, but in reality it is much harder, especially when external powers exploit them for their own geopolitical purposes. The Ukrainian people are pawns in a larger game which included the plan to put NATO bases and missiles on Ukrainian soil on the border with Russia. Would US tolerate Russian missiles in Cuba? It is not hypothetical, we know the answer to that question. Yet Russia had to tolerate missiles in Italy and Turkey…and the Ukraine? Russia has always been under threat of invasion and actually invaded, first by Napoleon and then by Hitler. You must understand that to understand the Russian mindset. America, and Australia for that mater, has never been invaded. But still I think you understand the need for US buffer against Chinese aggression. Let me tell you, alliance with Russia would be more effective.

  21. egg_

    Australia for that mater, has never been invaded.

    WWII PNG was close.

  22. Dan

    Spit it out slackster, it’s not like we haven’t heard it before

  23. Infidel Tiger

    People should do some research into who financed and made up the government of revolutionary Russia to get an understanding of why Putin is doing what he is now

    Was it Jews, Muzzies or Atlantians?

  24. Dan

    It goes back to Russian usage for designation of Ukraine as “the borderland”, descriptive rather than nominal. In English I don’t know why.

    Vasily I am loath to correct your explanation of Russian but there are no definite articles in the language if I remember rightly, no?

  25. Ripper

    People should do some research into who financed and made up the government of revolutionary Russia to get an understanding of why Putin is doing what he is now

    Yep.

    A good place to start

    History does repeat but it sure does rhyme – Mark Twain

  26. Habib

    We need a third for an axis, who’s in the frame? Can’t be Islamofascism, as both the Ruskies & Chicoms have their own internal problems with the adherents of the prophet.

    Besides, they hate the West more than anything else, and a second front provided by someone you don’t need to provide any support, logistics or boots for is bloody handy. An active fifth column is pretty useful an’all.

    The Norks brought back in from the cold? They could be Vlad’s Italy, with nukes, more craziness and paranoia. Vlad’s more and more making the old adage “once a commie, always a commie” have legs.

  27. Vasily

    @ Dan

    Correct. What is translated “the Ukraine” is in Russian usage “on Ukraine” meaning on the borderlands.

  28. Vasily

    @ egg_

    Yes, and in that war, let us not forget, Australia and Russia were allies.
    The Russian and Australian people were united in the struggle against Fascism.
    How do you feel then about US supporting anti-Semitic Fascists in Ukraine?
    Aren’t you against anti-Semitism in your country?

  29. Grigory M

    WTF? – let’s not complicate it too much. Until recent years Ukraine was known in English speaking countries as The Ukraine. Just like Crimea was known as The Crimea (still is, isn’t it?).

    FFS – who cares what Vasily the Meercat’s supposed pronunciation nuances are? Next thing he’ll be asking for Sergei to run him a soothing fucking bubble bath.

  30. Arnost

    The Ukrainian people are pawns in a larger game which included the plan to put NATO bases and missiles on Ukrainian soil on the border with Russia

    By who? Obambi couldn’t rush any faster to get defensive missiles out of Poland and Czech Republic.

    And Clinton couldn’t rush any faster to get Ukraine de – nuked!

    Seems to me jak v sichku sraty…

  31. Habib

    Methinks the decision a week or so back to shitcan the A10, as its primary purpose was to engage massed Soviet armour on the plains of Eastern Europe, may have been a little premature.

    I think it was also a little premature to drop the epithet “soviet”.

    With a change of leadership, I’d like to see how well the new axis would go against NATO, led by fighting leaders.

  32. Arnost

    How do you feel then about US supporting anti-Semitic Fascists in Ukraine?
    Aren’t you against anti-Semitism in your country?

    Who are the anti- Semites? Let’s hear it from the Ukraine Jews themselves:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-jews-appeal-to-russia-to-stop-aggression/

  33. Arnost

    Methinks the decision a week or so back to shitcan the A10, as its primary purpose was to engage massed Soviet armour on the plains of Eastern Europe, may have been a little premature.

    Maybe “retire” the warthog in the Ukraine…? LOL. I’m sure that with Chernobyl there is plenty of depleted uranium somewhere nearby.

  34. Arnost

    Hey Baz, here is another take on the anti-Semitic activity in Crimea:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/03/who-s-really-behind-ukraine-s-synagogue-attacks.html

    Ukraine’s tiny Jewish community is once again feeling under siege. But the Jewish leaders are not blaming the local neo-Nazis who participated in the recent revolution there; rather, these leaders believe that pro-Russian provocateurs are behind the attacks on their synagogues.

  35. Tim

    How do you feel then about US supporting anti-Semitic Fascists in Ukraine?

    It really is a bit rich for Russia to be calling the Ukrainians fascists, when it is Putin who is apparently signing up to Limonov’s National Bolsheviks “Greater Russia” program. I suspect any country that has a significant Russian speaking minority is feeling pretty nervous right about now. Nothing to do with Ukrainian fascism.

    In the long run, this expansionism and destabalisation of the global order is not in Russia’s interests. When the ChiCom tanks are rolling over the Russian borders in the far east in 20-30 years, the rest of the world isn’t going to care. No, not a bit.

  36. Tiny Dancer

    Never met so many people who know so much about Eastern European & Russian/Ukrainian stuff and nothing about massive breasts

  37. dan

    You don’t need a million-man army behind you to buy a spray-can and paint a swastika on a synagogue. The types of attacks described in the articles linked to have sporadically occurred in my own Melbourne neighbourhood in recent times. This crisis is not about Jews.

  38. Habib

    I know funbags AND soviet intransigence. When are we having another pissup?

  39. Vasily

    @ Dan & Tim

    You underestimate the problem, no doubt because of lack of historical experience.
    This is not just about painting swastikas on synagogues, as reprehensible as that activity is.
    Neo-Nazis are integral to the new Ukrainian coalition government.
    They are as anti-Russian as they are anti-Semitic, not to mention other minorities.
    Russia may have far Rightists, as does any democracy, but they are not in government. Big difference. Btw, check Putin’s media appearance today for insight into Russian mindset on Ukraine.
    If Obama cannot dialogue with Putin, it is not Putin’s fault; his principles of statesmanship are exemplary. Obama is out of his depth, as is his State department. If you rely on US for umbrella of security, I would be worried.

  40. Leo G

    Rule of law means abide by due process

    Crimean voters supported Ukrainian independence in the 1990s and in 1994 Russia formally agreed to accept the territorial integrity of the Ukraine including Crimea and recorded the fact in a MoU consigned by other states.

  41. Vasily

    @ Leo G

    What do Crimean voters want now is surely the more pertinent question.
    Crimea was gifted to Ukraine by Krushchev and has never been integral to it either culturally or territorially. But that is not really the question for Russia in any case. Since you are such a keen democrat, I expect you to protest against removal of Ukraine’s legal president, yes?

    @ Tim

    You have no idea what you are talking of re Limonov.

  42. Vasily

    Thank you my virtual friends for the dialogue.
    I have to go now. Maybe again tomorrow?
    In the meantime, present your supplications to God for a peaceful resolution.
    Enough blood has been spilled already.

  43. Driftforge

    So should we be expecting Russia over the next year or two to consolidate the Baltics, Byelorussia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Moldova and Romania ?

  44. Leo G

    What do Crimean voters want now is surely the more pertinent question.

    So Russia is obliged to act on the basis of what it believes is the desire of a proportion of the Crimean population, not on the basis of its treaties and formal agreements. Your “more pertinent question” may present interesting arguments, but it fails to address the issue of Russia’ s obligation to observe due process.

  45. Vasily

    Not at all, Driftforge.
    If I were inclined to gamble I would happily bet against the proposition and take your money in 2017.

  46. Vasily

    @ Leo G

    No, Russia will always be happy, I trust, to accomodate the will of a majority of Crimean voters on their future destiny. What more could a democrat ask for? But you did not answer my question re Yanukovych. Until tomororow perhaps.

  47. DrBeauGan

    The ‘last stand’ is too far away from me Dr. Martyr, but I hope you profit from the experience. One day perhaps we shall rise again and the ghastly creepy people will be scattered in accord with the Fisk doctrine.

  48. I have rushed here from translating disco lyrics into ecclesiastical Latin on the blogsite Eccles Is Saved, after downing the best part of a lot of limoncello in the face of a rapidly advancing Ash Wednesday. And I remain gobsmacked that no one has made the obvious connection between this Cat headline and The Smiths when they were still vaguely interesting.

  49. The ‘last stand’ is too far away from me Dr. Martyr, but I hope you profit from the experience. One day perhaps we shall rise again and the ghastly creepy people will be scattered in accord with the Fisk doctrine.

    No no, Dr Beau.

    All you need is a willingness to squander your mortgage overpayment in the hope of being able to photobomb John Howard.

    That’s all.

  50. .

    Well, well, never have so many people who cannot pronounce Simferopol been such experts on the Ukraine! So many comments are the sorry fruit of Russophobia, which would only be worth laughing at if it wasn’t so sad and deluded. Putin a new Hitler!? On the contrary, it is in Kyiv they are erecting picture of Hitler on the streets. Don’t you know that the the Galicians of western Ukraine fought with the Germans against Russia in WWII? It is the Ukrainian neo-Nazis who have effected a putsch against a democratically elected government – and remember, the 2010 Ukrainian presidential elections were deemed fair be external observers. How ironic that self-proclaimed “liberal” and “democratic” people should support a coup against a democratically elected government. Your values are proven to be hollow and amenable to twisting by realpolitik. But you don’t need to be in the dark voluntarily forever, my friends; take an opportunity to educate yourselves on the history and read what a relatively neutral voice, former British ambassador to Moscow has to say:

    Lies lies lies lies lies.

    What are you French? Who gives a shit about pronunciation?

    Russophobia? No. Reality.

    Putin is a fascist and is allied to a nationalist-bolshevist party. FACT.

    Please give us evidence in Kyiv there are posters of Hitler going up.

    Russia fought with Germany in WWII until it was inconvenient, the Holodomor turned Urkainians against Russia and the USSR.

    The Government WAS NOT democratically elected. External observers – who cares? They didn’t pick up 2004, 2012 or the fraudulent votes in the Ukrainian Parliament.

    How ironic that self-proclaimed “liberal” and “democratic” people should support a coup against a democratically elected government.

    Not at all.

    Your values are proven to be hollow and amenable to twisting by realpolitik.

    No, you have just revealed yourself as an enemy of freedom.

    But you don’t need to be in the dark voluntarily forever, my friends; take an opportunity to educate yourselves on the history and read what a relatively neutral voice, former British ambassador to Moscow has to say:

    We’ve seen enough. We are not your friends.

  51. Habib

    Seems like good old Vassily is our very own Lord Haw Haw. I like how most of the meeja is portraying the soviet invasion as a reaction to concerns over the continuing viability of the contract for use of port facilities.

    Next time I have issues with Ray White over lease terms, I’ll turn up to negotiate with an M113, and close air.

  52. Leo G

    Since you are such a keen democrat, I expect you to protest against removal of Ukraine’s legal president…

    What should a supporter of representative democracy think of a Ukrainian president who, before being removed from office, formerly appeals to the Russian president to use Russian armed forces to “re-establish the rule of law” throughout Ukraine and who does so without the authority of the Ukrainian parliament?

  53. .

    Habib – I sympathise with you because as a plaintiff in an unrelated tort law case, my tortfeasor was a real estate agent.

    I imagine this is a time the A-10 Warthog could be called back into service.

  54. .

    Yes Leo I was saying the same thing – once he did this, he basically gave up any legitimacy he had and became a seditious traitor.

  55. Nanuestalker

    Shut up Dot. You’ve been telling everyone how to think all fucking day. We all know as much as you, which is fuck all! We’re just trying to make sense out of it all.

  56. JC

    Dot

    I’m sympathetic to your comments. If the Putester keeps the troops in the various region he’s invaded then that’s okay too.

  57. Habib

    Listen up, numbnuts, we’re on the brink of war. If Ukraine had’ve signed up to NATO, we’d be at war now. If this expands to other former vassal states, it’s on. And at the moment we’re ill-equipped to engage. The Soviets know it, likewise the Chicoms. Even a vacillating, pea-pants wearing piece of shit like Bambi has no choice but to put B52s, 1s and 2s in the air, and mobilise the 5th Fleet and submerged assets, on high readiness. If he doesn’t, the JCs will. This is shit serious.

  58. JC

    Habib

    If this expands to other former vassal states

    Why would Putin attack a NATO member if that was the likely course of action. He’d be fucking crazy.

  59. JC

    Actually we’re not ill equipped to retaliate. If it meant all out war, most government debt in the west would be repudiated and the economies would go on immediate war footing. We’d fucking crush them and this time the Krauts could have their way with them.

  60. daggers

    Well, everyone here has joined the dots: the US is closing up shop. How long before the Chinese get their act together and move on Taiwan (and the rest of the Pacific). Nth Korea ?

  61. “Actually we’re not ill equipped to retaliate. If it meant all out war, most government debt in the west would be repudiated and the economies would go on immediate war footing. We’d fucking crush them and this time the Krauts could have their way with them.”

    The US is actually well equipped to wage war, that is not true for the rest of us.

    Germany may be the stronger partner in the EU but even its means of war production are a drop in the ocean compared to what Russia is capable of. Much can be said for Russian equipment, equipment levels, levels of training and command and control with little of it being good, but the fact remains the entirety of the EU is predicated on the US defending them from the Russians, which the poor Americans have been blindly doing since 1945.

  62. srr

    I like the way this situation is shearing the wool off the wolves.

    http://blog.susanaromeroweb.com/?p=7662&lang=en

  63. Tim

    If our friend Vasily was able to bring himself to say, “Yeah, sure, Putin is a corrupt thug, running a staged democracy, but the Ukrainians are worse, and Russia has a right to defend the interests of it’s minorities, even those stranded in neighbouring countries by the breakup of the USSR”, he might get a reasonable hearing here. But the whole “Putin glorious defender of the motherland standing up to the imperialist Ukrainian fascist anti-semitic Banderists” thing isn’t going to win a lot of credibility.

    And, no, I know a bit about Limonov and his National Bolsheviks. Like I know a bit about Russia and Ukraine, and even about the Crimea.

  64. srr

    Shut up Dot. You’ve been telling everyone how to think all fucking day. We all know as much as you, which is fuck all! We’re just trying to make sense out of it all.

    …but that’s just it…

    Dot does NOT want anyone making sense of this.

    Dot demands that every detail that challenges his narrative, be declared irrelevant.

    Dot also plays scrabble with other peoples posts, just so me can claim a “quote” gives him the right to lie about the intelligence and integrity of those who refuse trust his very angry, lying word.

    Dot is not alone in this typically Leftist, Anti-social media tactic of trying to bury revealing true colours, under slimy, personal insult…mountains of it…mountains of slime = protests, way too much.

    But then, Dot is an out and proud atheist, and Russia did stop trying to force people to deny the existence of God, and admitted to the world that they were bloody stupid for trying, so….

  65. Arnost

    I think the panic has just ratchetted up a bit… Everyone duck!

    Former prime minister Kevin Rudd has dispatched himself on a one-man peace mission to Moscow as all-out war looms between Russia and Ukraine.

    _The West Australian _ can reveal that Mr Rudd arrived in the Russian capital on Monday with plans to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top advisers.

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/world/a/21822844/to-russia-with-love-rudd/

  66. dan

    You underestimate the problem, no doubt because of lack of historical experience.
    This is not just about painting swastikas on synagogues, as reprehensible as that activity is.
    Neo-Nazis are integral to the new Ukrainian coalition government.
    They are as anti-Russian as they are anti-Semitic, not to mention other minorities.

    Where do I start…my grandmother was a Jewish Ukrainian, and her father was Russian! She was imprisoned in a concentration camp in the Ukraine during WWII and liberated by the Russians. However her family members were dragged off by the Russian army, pressed into service and never seen again. I know plenty.
    The movement in Kiev is diverse and would incorporate the Jew-hating elements you describe as well as many others.

  67. srr

    Funny how many have instantly converted to having full faith in the EU and UN as the ultimate anti-statist defenders of truth and freedom.

    Amazing how many have also become angry defenders of Islam, demanding that no one even see them as players, let alone influential.

    Sad how few care to slap those desert dogs down.

  68. Rabz

    Former prime minister Kevin Rudd has dispatched himself on a one-man peace mission to Moscow

    The only logical course of action would be to ‘dispatch’ the earwax eating narcissist turd straight to the Lubyanka.

    C’mon, Vlad, you know it makes sense!

    :)

  69. srr

    14 November 2013, 22:55

    Europe swept by anti-Christian revolution – Russian MP

    Chairman of the State Duma Committee for International Affairs Alexei Pushkov is seriously concerned about the attitude to Christianity in Europe.

    “From England to Norway, there are persecutions of Christians: people are dismissed for wearing a cross. You can be “an open gay”, but not a Christian”, – Pushkov wrote on Twitter Thursday night. In his opinion, European “tolerance” is gradually turning into a dictatorship in the field of morals”.

    “Europe is swept by an anti-Christian revolution. And they should not teach us”, – the head of the Duma Committee writes.

    Earlier on Thursday, there appeared reports that the Norwagian NRK TV channel’s leading news presenter Cyr Christine Saelmann was forbidden to appear on the air wearing her cross; in the end, the journalist was fired.

    Do you have some thoughts on the issue? Join the VoR’s discussion forum: The West Remains Silent On Christian Oppression in Islamic States

    Voice of Russia, Interfax

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_11_14/Europe-swept-by-anti-Christian-revolution-Russian-MP-2755/

  70. srr


    The West Remains Silent On Christian Oppression in Islamic States

    Voice of Russia, Interfax

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_11_14/Europe-swept-by-anti-Christian-revolution-Russian-MP-2755/

    …yeah but, it’s all totally unrelated to why the West and Europe are attacking Russia for defending Ukrainians from Pro-Muslim EU professional thugs./sarc off.

  71. Dan

    Srr time check, this is not the Crimean war and the Ukrainians are not Muslim. Many of Russia’s allies are though.

  72. srr

    “We have no enemies in Ukraine”, Putin says…

    Mr Putin accused the West of using fugitive President Viktor Yanukovych’s decision in November to ditch a pact with the EU in favour of closer ties with Russia to fan the protests that drove him from power and plunged Ukraine into turmoil.

    “I have told them a thousand times ‘Why are you splitting the country?”‘
    he said.

    While he said he still considers Mr Yanukovych to be Ukraine’s legitimate president, he acknowledged that the fallen leader has no political future — and said Russia gave him shelter only to save his life. Ukraine’s new government wants to put Mr Yanukovych on trial for the deaths of over 80 people during protests last month in Kiev.

    Mr Putin had withering words for Mr Yanukovych, with whom he has never been close.

    Asked if he harbours any sympathy for the fugitive president, Mr Putin replied that he has “quite opposite feelings.”

    http://m.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/we-have-no-enemies-in-ukraine-putin-says/story-fnlrv03c-1226845479011

    ….but Ukraine, Russia, We All have Enemies in the EU and UN.

  73. Bruce

    Putin doesn’t like losers.

  74. Demosthenes

    “I have told them a thousand times ‘Why are you splitting the country?”‘ he said.

    It’s split already.

  75. .

    Dan
    #1212947, posted on March 5, 2014 at 10:46 am
    Srr time check, this is not the Crimean war and the Ukrainians are not Muslim. Many of Russia’s allies are though.

    Boom. Anyone else want to see the back of this dribbling retard?

  76. Driftforge

    “I have told them a thousand times ‘Why are you splitting the country?”‘ he said.

    Heh. If something is said often enough…

    Crack.

  77. Demosthenes

    Anyone else want to see the back of this dribbling retard?

    Amusement value is still positive.

  78. blogstrop

    Conform or else, Bloggy?. Bit patronizing. Fuck that.

    Read what I wrote again and try to understand, dickwit.

  79. murph

    C’mon guys. You must realise that Vas-boy is a Russian agent…

  80. egg_

    C’mon guys. You must realise that Vas-boy is a Russian agent…

    The Australia was never invaded line showed a lack of knowledge of the subject matter, what?

    Still working in the UK, murph?

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