What they said: 2014 – 4

Adam Goodes:

Imagine watching a film that tells the truth about the terrible injustices committed over 225 years against your people, a film that reveals how Europeans, and the governments that have run our country, have raped, killed and stolen from your people for their own benefit.

Now imagine how it feels when the people who benefited most from those rapes, those killings and that theft – the people in whose name the oppression was done – turn away in disgust when someone seeks to expose it.

Section 18C of the Race Discrimination Act:

(1) It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:

(a) the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and

(b) the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.

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75 Responses to What they said: 2014 – 4

  1. Ant

    Rape didn’t exist in aboriginal communities prior to white settlement?

  2. Badjack

    Section 18c of the Race descriminationAct

    a) the act is reasonably likely to Offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate
    ………is that not what Goodes did to a 13 year old girl?

    b) the act is done because of race, colour or national or ethnic origin….
    …….did Goodes not do what he did because the 13 year old girl was white girl born in Aust of white parents

  3. Mr Rusty

    A class action lawsuit brought against the Australian of the Year under 18c…

    I think I just wet myself.

  4. Bruce

    Mr.Rusty, that “wet” you feel comes from pissing into the wind which is exactly what any Racial Discrimination action is , against anyone other than whitey.

  5. Gibbo

    It’s easy to make light of this idiot but his whole rant was offensive to me. Fancy attributing guilt to me over past sins just because of my skin colour & ancestry. I was brought up not to judge people like that.

  6. Tom

    Goodes is a z-grade politician who, when the Liars Party machine gifts him a safe seat, will amount to nothing because his head is full of mythology invented by the white Aboriginal industry to feather the nests of ambitious urban part-Aboriginals like him at the expense of full-blood Aborigines out in the donga with genuine needs. From his utterings, his main preoccupation appears to be the acquisition of political power and its use against people he regards as enemies. His refusal to apologise to the 13-year-old girl he humiliated at the football is the sure sign of a hugely oversized ego and the willingness to do whatever it takes to foster his political career. Probably the most divisive Australian of the Year in the history of the award, which has been hijacked by a committee of vicious paternalists determined to force-feed correct thinking into the bogan masses.

  7. james

    What an ape.

    This is a man who on the “Special” Aboriginal football show explicitly stated that Aboriginal footballers are genetically superior to whites.

    [slight edit - let's not derail the thread. Sinc]

  8. Mr Rusty

    Mr.Rusty, that “wet” you feel comes from pissing into the wind which is exactly what any Racial Discrimination action is , against anyone other than whitey.

    Has anyone ever tried?

  9. Token

    A class action lawsuit brought against the Australian of the Year under 18c…

    We are seeing how indulging this special interest is creating a moral hazard.

    How dare someone who has been given a role with all the implied status “Australian of the Year” be so cavalier and childish?

    One would hope that someone is in his ear instructing him his role has some implied responsibilities. His actions indicate he has never been told and he believes no one is allowed to tell him.

    What a shameful man.

  10. Robbo

    Goodes is a very good footballer but after that there is not much going on between his ears. He was easy prey for the aboriginal industry and now he is happily mouthing off their lies and half truths. Does he really believe that aboriginals would be better off today if Europeans had not settled in Australia? The sad part is that he is pouring fuel onto the fire of division and that is exactly the opposite of what an Australian of the Year should be doing. He is not the first drongo to hold the title and no doubt he will not be the last.

  11. Blair

    “Now imagine how it feels when the people who benefited most from those rapes, those killings and that theft – the people in whose name the oppression was done – turn away in disgust when someone seeks to expose it.”
    How could the people who benefited most from those rapes turn away when someone seeks to expose it? The only person who benefited from the rape was the rapist. And he of course has been long gone dead, and well past turning.

  12. james

    slight edit – let’s not derail the thread. Sinc

    Understood Sinc.

    We can all agree that Goodes is a reprehensible bully and would remain as such regardless of the colour of his skin.

    The content of his character is what is important, and that content has been on show enough for any fair minded observer to make a judgement.

  13. Token

    …show explicitly stated that Aboriginal footballers are genetically superior to whites.

    I understand the spirit of the post. A number of footballers like Leon Davis have noted they hate the tag of mecurial genius and would not accept a pass from doing the hard work in training.

    PS: I do hope the thread is dedicated to addressing how Goodes limitations and immaturity is undermining the message we are guessing he is trying to communicate.

  14. cynical1

    Anybody who bases his Worldview on Pilger documentaries is a moron.

  15. Rabz

    I do hope the thread is dedicated to addressing how Goodes limitations and immaturity is undermining the message we are guessing he is trying to communicate.

    The ‘message’ is utter bullshit and apeman Goodes is an illiterate thug, so his chances of communicating it are less than zero.

  16. james

    A number of footballers like Leon Davis have noted they hate the tag of mecurial genius and would not accept a pass from doing the hard work in training.

    Speaking as a pies fan I bloody well wish than Leon Davis had actually done the hard work in training.

    Sadly he was the very stereotype of the highly skilled low intensity Aboriginal footballer who showed up every few games to take your breath away and then would vanish for weeks on end.

    In contrast whatever else Adam Goodes may be: a bully, a follower of Pilger, no-one can ever doubt his dedication to his training and his work ethic on the ground.

    He may be an idiot but he did not become a champion in his chosen field by chance.

  17. lem

    Statements like this by Mr Goodes, and his response to the pre pubertal school girl at a football match, with all the subsequent drama, suggests he has some issues that might be assisted by lengthy sessions on a therapist’s couch.

  18. jupes

    I am offended and insulted.

  19. Gab

    What a racist. What’s the point of blathering on about this stuff – whether true or not – some 225 years later? What does it achieve? Is he wanting white Australians to feel guilty over what he thinks happened 225 years ago? How may Australians alive today actually have ancestors that arrived on the First Fleet and subsequent fleets in the late 18th century and early 19th century and how many have ancestors that arrived well after the alleged atrocities?

    What is the point of Goodes berating that part of our nation today that is non-Aboriginal but who are indigenous to Australia? What does he hope to achieve, other than reminding people bad things happened in the past? Are we all meant to constantly feel guilty over something other people allegedly did over 200 years ago? To what end?

    Why doesn’t Goodes speak up about the abuses, the rapes and the killings that still happen today in Aboriginal communities, committed by Aboriginal men on their own women and children? Why doesn’t Goodes instead speak up about how Aboriginal girls and women are still treated like second class citizens and punching bags by Aboriginal men? Why doesn’t Goodes remind people how Aboriginal men treated their women and girls 225 years ago?

    Why does Goodes prefer to divide rather than unite a nation? Are we all supposed to leave?

  20. .

    What about a lot of Australians who are white with some Aboriginal ancestry who don’t care about either?

  21. Gab

    And yes, I am offended and insulted by what Goodes said.

  22. flyingduk

    Mr.Rusty, that “wet” you feel comes from pissing into the wind which is exactly what any Racial Discrimination action is , against anyone other than whitey. Has anyone ever tried?

    I have, Rusty, I complained to my SA state government employer that the ‘aboriginal welcome to country’ spiel I was subjected to at the start of a mandatory training session was racist and offensive to me on the basis that it belittled the contribution of my (non aboriginal) ancestors whilst making special recognition of those of the (aboriginal) ‘custodians’ of the land (laughably, this ‘recognition’ was being given on the 6th floor of a high rise building). I said that I believed the incident was deeply racist and that I believed it was my right not to be subjected to racism in the work place. ……. The response so far…. nil

  23. james

    What about a lot of Australians who are white with some Aboriginal ancestry who don’t care about either?

    TBH I probably have some distant Aboriginal ancestry.

    I sure as hell don’t expect special treatment, and I despise those who do.

    Go out bush up north and you will hear many derogatory references to “Yellafellas” by those who find the attitudes of city “blacks” to be not only insulting but disgusting to those who have attempted to maintain traditional culture [no matter how misguided].

  24. candy

    I think he’s coming from a certain place in life, and stepped into a very high profile public role, and needs to find more topics to talk about. Perhaps he will be given guidance on it because it would be very dull after a while, everyone knows the story.
    He might bring something to the A. of the Year role through the coming year, you never know.

  25. Gab

    Mr Rusty, Goodes should be speaking with the likes of the Honourable Bess Price, for honourable she is, not the dishonourable victim industry-peddling Pilger. Then he’d get an education in reality.

  26. Mrs Beardsley

    I had an argument with my lefty mate about Aboriginal history. In fact, she has come across as very offended about the way Aboriginal people were treated, and told me ‘that aboriginals were hunted and shot like animals’, and that ‘aboriginals were considered sub human and therefore were not included in the census’. When I query these statements, she plays the rolling eyes, deep sighing and ‘don’t you dare question’. It is like pooping your pants in public if you suggest that aboriginals have a long history of looking after the land, and were always considered human by the colony. In fact, King George’s instructions to the Gov was to live in amity with them.

    So hurt was she about my argument that the aboriginals did not have the public institutions to protect themselves from the colonisers that she has barely spoken to me since.

    When a lefty tells me that they are so offended by my opinion, that they can hardly speak, that is when a tiny yellow ‘warning’ flag goes up.

    I have started reading Bill Gammage’s book “The Biggest Estate on Earth” and then to round it off I have read KeithWindschuttle’s “The Fabrication of Aboriginal History Vol I, and have started reading Vol III.

    I have learned a couple of things. One, Aboriginal people have been counted in State Censuses (Censi?) since the early days. So to say that they weren’t counted because they were thought sub human is an alarming smear.

    Secondly, I learned that more ‘white’ settlers died than aboriginal in Tasmania, and that many of the Aboriginals died of diseases from the early explorers.

    So much for the genocide theory.

    But I am reluctant to bring my newfound knowledge to my mate, because she might hit me over the head with something.

  27. Boambee John

    “Mr.Rusty, that “wet” you feel comes from pissing into the wind which is exactly what any Racial Discrimination action is , against anyone other than whitey.

    Has anyone ever tried?”

    Look up Brandy’s case in the High Court. A person of indigineous descent was taken to the Race Discrimination commission over race based remarks directed against a work colleague of European descent. The Commission found in favour of the work colleague, and ordered the offender to pay a fine.

    The offender’s lawyers went to the High Court to fight against the fine, the Court eventually found that the Commission was not a true court, and could not levy fines.

    The Commonwealth government of the day directed that Commonwealth authorities should pay such fines anyway, leading to many cases being against the Commonwealth (as that famous American bank robber said, “that’s where the money is”).

  28. Token

    What a racist. What’s the point of blathering on about this stuff – whether true or not – some 225 years later?

    Quite.

    He made many incorrect and vile generalisations based upon a vast misunderstanding of the history of his aboriginal and european ancestors.

    He is a man who should hang his head in shame for doing what he claims (without substantiation) others do.

  29. nic

    I wonder why we don’t often hear speakers such as Goodes, who decry the white man as being rapists, destroyers of all things good(e), call for a secession where all Aborigines can live in tribal communities, just as their forebears did. You know what I mean, they can commune with nature and worship the rainbow serpent to their hearts content. No need for white constructs such as football or the dole or even the ‘rapist’s’ rule of law. Can’t have it both ways fellas.

  30. Token

    Speaking as a pies fan I bloody well wish than Leon Davis had actually done the hard work in training

    The best periods of his career were when he actually worked hard and refused to accept a pass due to his history. Unfortunately he would then backslide into indulging himself (which the coaching staff would enable) and be dropped from the team.

    Sport is unforgiving in the way it shines the light of truth on the vile lies such people are told.

  31. Mr Rusty

    flyingduk
    #1214078, posted on March 6, 2014 at 11:08 am

    That takes some cojones mate and if you do get a response it will be full of feel-good crap about “harmony” and “community” and “recognition”. It’s not a legal case though, where there has to be a judgement. Goodes v 18c would be a reverse of the Bolt case, win or lose it would only ever turn out bad for the Aboriginal “shame” industry, the falsification of history and 18c. That aside, I really am pretty offended at what he has said, he has insulted me and my ancestors (yes Abo’s, we whiteys have ancestors too!) and implied my race is a bunch of murdering, thieving rapists who enjoyed it.

  32. Token

    So hurt was she about my argument that the aboriginals did not have the public institutions to protect themselves from the colonisers that she has barely spoken to me since.

    Ultimately it is impossible to be real friends with leftards as the day will come when you can’t ignore their childish emoting and the result is that they will dictate the friendship is ended. Lucky most people in this society do not buy into this crap.

  33. Des Deskperson

    Presumably, Adam’s judgements don’t apply to Eddy McGuire, whose clumsy racism – all the worse because it was meant to showcase Eddy’s, err, wit – he laughed off.

    Is this because Eddy’s parents were immigrants and therefore didn’t rape etc etc (though they certainly benefited) or is it because Eddy is rich and powerful?

  34. james

    The best periods of his career were when he actually worked hard and refused to accept a pass due to his history

    I must have missed those.

    Unfortunately he would then backslide into indulging himself (which the coaching staff would enable)

    Malthouse openly stated in a HS interview that had he been a white player he would have been dropped far more often than he was.

    Ultimately it is impossible to be real friends with leftards as the day will come when you can’t ignore their childish emoting and the result is that they will dictate the friendship is ended.

    I have leftist friends and acquaintances that I simply ban political discussions around, the tension in the air is sometimes terrible, but I am a charismatic fucker so it usually works out for the best.

  35. james

    Presumably, Adam’s judgements don’t apply to Eddy McGuire, whose clumsy racism – all the worse because it was meant to showcase Eddy’s, err, wit – he laughed off.

    Eddie is a good lefty with ALP connections, he can get a pass for burning a cross while dancing around Seig Heiling.

  36. Gab

    BESS PRICE: [...] Blackfella affairs is so complicated and you have to be one to understand it completely, and in the Aboriginal way, each group can only talk for itself. I would not be seen talking here about somebody else’s issues, somebody else’s problems, I can only speak for my people, who are the Warlpiri.

    I want to talk to you a bit about how it’s never a dull moment for me where I live. You can never tell what’s around the corner. A few weeks ago I was sitting in a court room listening to a murder case being heard. I was related to both sides of the family, the alleged perpetrators and the victim, they were both related to me. So I’ve been invited by both families to go along and be there as a support for these young men who did not know about what’s happened to them. And this is once again my people killing each other. I’ve been trying in my own way to help both sides get some kind of justice out of all of this.

    And while I was there I heard about a stabbing of a distant relative in one of the town camps. The one who was accused of stabbing him is also related to me by marriage. The next day I heard my cousin’s 14-year-old niece decided to take her life. She hung herself at a remote community. Then I was told that my sister-in-law, my brother’s widow, died of stab wounds to her head that she had received in a town camp, and she had to be taken to Adelaide and that’s where she died. My teenage nephew now has no mother and no father. The woman accused of stabbing her was a cousin to me.

    [...] Over the weekend my brother ended up in police custody… The same night my brother was in custody, his stepson decided to put his hand through a kitchen window and he bled to death that night. An old man, a traditional owner of Yuendumu also passed away on that weekend.

    [...] There are those who know nothing of our culture who will tell you that we should keep it unchanged; any attempt to change it, they call it ‘cultural genocide’. They want us to live in poverty, ignorance and despair. There are those who tell you that we should keep our culture but also work regularly like whitefellas and pay off mortgages. They are asking us the impossible.

    My father was born in the desert. He was probably about 10 or 11 when he first saw his white man. My mother was also a child when she first laid eyes on white faces. They worked all their lives and they called themselves Christians as well. They went to church regularly. My father was very keen to learn everything about whitefellas; he did not understand everything about white law, but he respected it. They wanted us, their children, to be educated the white way as well as their way. They wanted us to speak and read and write English and to respect whitefellas.

    I was promised in marriage to my sister’s husband and was supposed to go to his camp as his wife when I was thirteen. I rebelled, and didn’t want to go. My father and my promised husband let me get away with it. They didn’t beat me up like other girls at my age who were beaten for refusing to go to their promised. I had a violent marriage to a young man instead.

    [...] They were proud and happy when our daughter who doesn’t speak our language well, did well at school. She spoke English well. They did not insist that she go to a promised husband, they wanted her to be free, so she can be educated and she can help her people.

    If our people are to find answers to the problems that are killing us they need to change their way of life. We should give up our violent ways. Our laws allow capital punishment, it allows violent payback. It tells us to fear sorcery. It was all much more controlled before, than it is now. Now we have grog, ganja that sends our people mad, men and women, young and old.

    We didn’t have money. Now we gamble and give our money away to kinsmen who spend it on grog, ganja and gambling. Our old law tells us that we can’t say ‘no’ to family. There is nothing in our old law that gives us tools to deal with all these problems that come from the new things that whitefellas have brought with them. But my people want the things that whitefellas have brought, they just don’t want the law that comes with these things.

    Our young men are taught that they are superior to women, simply because they are men. They are taught that they have the duty to defend their families and their own honour with violence. When they follow our law, they break the white law. When they follow the white law, they break ours. They don’t know it’s wrong, basically for one simple reason and that is, nobody is teaching them what the whitefella law is. That’s why the jails are full of our young people, young men especially. They are safer in there than they are in the streets in the communities, so their families feel – they’re happy when they find out that their son or grandson or nephew, brother’s locked up, because they’re safer in jail than out.

    [...] We need to change. We don’t need English-speaking, urban, indigenous people and white academics telling the government what it needs to do for us. Governments should talk directly to us, not only to the organisations that have let us down as much as governments have. But my people need to be challenged. There is much that is good about our old laws, there is much that is wonderful about my heritage, but there is also much that simply doesn’t work any more, and that is keeping us ignorant and in poverty. There is much that is killing us.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/bess-price-welcome-to-my-world/3725896#transcript

    Why wasn’t Bess Price awarded Australian of the Year? Oh that’s right, becuase she’s against the Aboriginal victimhood industry run by the urban “aborigines” and white academia.

  37. james

    Our young men are taught that they are superior to women, simply because they are men.

    A sensible attitude….

  38. Imagine watching a film that tells the truth about the terrible injustices committed over 225 years against your people, a film that reveals how Europeans, and the governments that have run our country, have raped, killed and stolen from your people for their own benefit.

    Now imagine how it feels when the people who benefited most from those rapes, those killings and that theft – the people in whose name the oppression was done – turn away in disgust when someone seeks to expose it.

    Erm – perhaps someone should ask the women who Robert Bropho raped. Or all the other girls and women who suffered in the ‘Big Man’-led collectives across the country.

  39. Sinclair Davidson

    Des / james – from memory Adam Goodes was very offended by Eddie McGuire’s comment and McGuire did apologise.

  40. nic

    governments that have run our country, have raped, killed and stolen from your people for their own benefit.

    How naive. We’ve had a range of Governments, some good, some less so. However, the notion that they acted solely to ‘steal’ from Aboriginal people for no benefit save for the ‘entity’ that is ‘Government’ itself is laughable.

  41. james

    Des / james – from memory Adam Goodes was very offended by Eddie McGuire’s comment and McGuire did apologise.

    Yup.

    But even blind Freddy could see that Eddie got an easier ride than a rather dim 13 year old girl from a poverty stricken welfare dependent rural family.

    The media joined with the club which joined with the Aboriginal industry to defenestrate a defenceless victim and then went soft on a Toorak resident with media connections for doing far worse.

    I can never support my football team in the same way after that. A small part of me wants them all to go to hell.

  42. Token

    But even blind Freddy could see that Eddie got an easier ride than a rather dim 13 year old girl from a poverty stricken welfare dependent rural family.

    One was illegally detained and questioned without a guardian for 2 hours and to this day has been demonised based upon the hurt feelings of a well off & powerful man, and the other saw Fat Andy speak up & give him a pass.

  43. Des Deskperson

    Professor Sinclair

    I agree that I may have been unfair to Goodes, but the whole affair was managed, ‘nuanced’ and weasel- worded in a way that contrasted rather starkly with the treatment of the 13 year old girl.

    Eddy apologised for a ‘slip of the tongue’ despite the fact that, as a tape or transcript proves, he went on with the joke for quite some time, to the obvious embarrassment of his co-host.

    Goodes said he was ‘disappointed’ with McGuire, but acknowledged Eddy’s wonderful work combatting vilification etc etc, as if Eddy’s efforts were all voluntary and not part of a very well paid job.

    On the whole, all a bit too slick!

  44. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Stunningly good piece from Bess Price, Gab. Yes, she should be Australian of the Year.
    She is my Australian of the Year this year; I’ve just declared her that. Congrats Bess, and I’m sure many others will join me in my feelings and award. The Australian of the Year award should go to someone we can take into our hearts, and admire.

    Adam Goodes is very divisive, and this, plus his refusal to apologise for brutish behaviour to a 13 year old, makes him highly unpopular as a choice for Australian of the Year. Not the sort of hairy male ‘ape’ I admire. Oh no. Not at all.

  45. jupes

    It would be interesting to see the following stats:

    1. The number of Aborigines who have been raped, killed and stolen from, by Australians of European ancestry.

    2. The number of Aborigines who have been raped, killed and stolen from, by fellow Aborigines.

    3. The number of Australians of European ancestry who have been raped, killed and stolen from, by Aborigines.

    My guess is that the largest number would be 2 followed by 3 then 1.

    I am certain that in the last 100 years 3 is larger than 1.

    In the absence of Prime Minister Krudd, perhaps Goodes can issue an apology.

  46. candy

    Maybe he regrets his rudeness and bullying of the girl, now that he has moved on to a position requiring much more tact and certain diplomacy skills etc.

  47. candy

    Anyway, I would like to think so.

  48. Hawkeye P.

    “How may Australians alive today actually have ancestors that arrived on the First Fleet and subsequent fleets in the late 18th century and early 19th century…? “

    I do.

    “Is he wanting white Australians to feel guilty over what he thinks happened 225 years ago?”

    We know he is.

    Personally, I couldn’t give a tinker’s cuss.

  49. vlad

    “The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly” – Abraham Lincoln (attributed; and I doubt that he really said it; but it’s too good not to quote here.)

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I have leftist friends and acquaintances that I simply ban political discussions around, the tension in the air is sometimes terrible, but I am a charismatic fucker so it usually works out for the best.

    Yep, works with leftie rellies too, James.

    I manage to get on with lefties in my ambit (there are many) with some eye-lash batting charm and deflection for the males, and for the females, by offering sisterly clucks of sympathy about whatever.

    Sometimes, anyway. Occasionally I go for the jugular. Can’t help myself. Bans of various sorts ensue.

  51. Jazza

    So people born innocent of any crime against anyone are responsible forever for something some of their ancestors are said to have done and that can hardly be proved or disproved now?
    How far back does it go then before we find truly “innocent” humans were born and were any of them at any stage ever…..white?
    Secondly I’m wondering just where Adam Goodes thinks HE would be now in the 20teens, had the “whites” from Britain never “invaded the space his ancestors once invaded/ discovered/ populated, cos I don’t think he would be a top footballer with the fame and money and power that has brought him, ie a successful and free Australian.
    Lastly because he IS who he is in 2014, I just wish he would think more carefully about his views and words and expend more energy being a better role model for Australian youngsters growing up.

  52. jupes

    Secondly I’m wondering just where Adam Goodes thinks HE would be now in the 20teens …

    He would never have existed. Goodes has European ancestry.

  53. jupes

    So people born innocent of any crime against anyone are responsible forever for something some of their ancestors are said to have done and that can hardly be proved or disproved now?

    Even if it can be disproved, you Jazza are still responsible. See the ‘stolen generations’.

  54. .

    Goodes’ talk sounds suspiciously of blood libel. He really has a poor choice of words.

  55. Rabz

    I can never support my football team in the same way after that. A small part of me wants them all to go to hell.

    Agreed, although I’ve actually stopped supporting the Swans thanks to the apeman’s arrogance, cowardice and stupidity.

    The decision was also made somewhat easier thanks to the equally unacceptable behaviour of lobotomised dildos such as Eddie the Imbecile and that fat Greek Bastard – whose jihad against Essendon was simply unbelievable.

    What is it with these obnoxious, narcissistic deadshits? Why do they think they have some right to fuck with the clubs and the game to the detriment of the fans?

    The refusal to broadcast the Grand Final in HD is just one of many obvious examples.

  56. rebel with cause

    “How may Australians alive today actually have ancestors that arrived on the First Fleet and subsequent fleets in the late 18th century and early 19th century…? “

    I do.

    Same here. I also have an aboriginal great grandmother. Of course there is no place for people like me in the identity politics of the left.

  57. Rabz

    Just a bit of clarification – not only have I stopped supporting the Swans, I’m having a great deal of trouble bringing myself to even bother following the ALPFL at all.

    Wankers.

  58. Token

    So people born innocent of any crime against anyone are responsible forever for something some of their ancestors are said to have done and that can hardly be proved or disproved now?

    Is Adam an athiest?

    He really does seem to believe in original sin, but only based upon the skin colour & ancestory of the person in question.

    Let’s hope this shameful man & his vile ignorance leads to the end the stupid pointless process of naming an “Australian of the Year”.

  59. Token

    Just a bit of clarification – not only have I stopped supporting the Swans, I’m having a great deal of trouble bringing myself to even bother following the ALPFL at all.

    You know that is the way I have felt since that 13yo was detained, question and vilified by the mob. When I think of it, after that weekend I really lost all passion for the sport.

  60. nic

    “How may Australians alive today actually have ancestors that arrived on the First Fleet and subsequent fleets in the late 18th century and early 19th century…? “

    Second fleet

  61. nic

    From the SMH:

    Pressure is mounting on Roy “Dootch” Kennedy to renounce his chairmanship of the Illawarra Local Aboriginal Land Council after being charged with nine child sex offences.

    Mr Kennedy, a prominent activist and founder of the Sandon Point Aboriginal Tent Embassy, appeared in Wollongong court late last week charged with having sexual intercourse with a child aged between 10 and 16 on six separate occasions between 1992 and 1996.
    Police allege he also raped a child at different times between 1997 and 1999.

    Personally, I blame our white invaders /sarc.

    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/child-sex-charges-roy-dootch-kennedy-under-pressure-to-resign-20140306-348qt.html

  62. David

    “How may Australians alive today actually have ancestors that arrived on the First Fleet and subsequent fleets in the late 18th century and early 19th century…? “

    All of my “local” ancestors, maternal and paternal, and all before 1830.

    On Adam Goodes’ assertion my distant Jewish ancestors are guilty of “smiting” all sorts of other tribes back whenever from Moses up to and including Solomon and, on his thesis, I am guilty of those ghastly crimes of my far distant in time ancestors.

    The man is a wanker.

  63. Gab

    Oh, I see my error:

    “How may Australians alive today actually have ancestors alive today that arrived on the First Fleet and subsequent fleets in the late 18th century and early 19th century…? “

  64. Vicki

    Thank you Gab @ 11.46am for providing a link to the words of that great lady, Bess Price. She talks such uncommon sense – and at great cost to herself in the Aboriginal community.

  65. Yon Toad

    In the country that this Goodes reviles it would be impossible for a black player to play at the top levels of his chosen sport, let alone become Australian of the Year. Who is this person and what has he done with the real Adam Goodes?

  66. Grumbles

    To be a man you need to learn to both apologize when you do the wrong thing and forgive when people apologize to you. If you can’t do these you are a child.

  67. Nanuestalker

    The Goodes O’Loughlin Foundation can’t even make the effort to develop a website in four years. Yeah, Adam really cares about his ‘people’ and want his message out there … of coarse getting paid speaking gigs is so much more rewarding. Keep playing the victim Adam!

  68. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Token, I was all prepared to attend my very first game of this sort just to please my own sweet Hairy Ape when Goodes behaved so disgracefully to that little girl. Lost me forever. Turned him off quite a lot too and I would previously have said that was impossible.

  69. Marg

    Nanuestalker 3:01 pm
    The Goodes O’Loughlin Foundation can’t even make the effort to develop a website in four years.

    They do seem to be a bit slow off the mark, especially after being awarded this generous government back in 4 September 2013:

    “The $300,000 in Rudd Government funding will help support the rapid development of GO Foundation, through the employment of a full time administrator and a range of marketing and communications activities.”


    (I note that the nominations for Australian of the Year closed just the month before that grant announcement).

  70. Marg

    Sorry, link title should be

  71. Leo G

    “Now imagine how it feels when the people who benefited most from those rapes, those killings … that theft … the oppression … turn away in disgust when someone seeks to expose it.”

    As I recall, Goodes wasn’t most offended by any inferred racism in the words of the young girl, but rather by the fact that it was a mere girl who so publicly expressed her disdain.
    She committed an offence against his misogyny.
    Historically, the apparent misogyny of many aboriginal men was used to rationalise harmful discrimination against aboriginal people.
    How ironic, that we should turn away from the fact that aboriginal misogyny was regarded with disgust even by white male (Chauvinist) Europeans in the early days of colonisation, so as further to punish a victim of its modern counterpart.

  72. rafiki

    There is some odd reasoning here. Mrs rafiki is descended from third fleet convicts who quickly owned a lot of what is now Ryde and whose son got in quick and squatted on vast acreage in the Goulburn region. The descendants did very well (although not a lot of it got to Mrs rafiki). No doubt they did appropriate Aboriginal lands; (indeed, it’s on record that local Ryde Aborigines protested when a fine Ryde house was built for the family in the 1830s). But these people did not appropriate Aboriginal lands in Mrs rafiki’s name. That’s just nonsense. Nor does she turn away in disgust when this history is talked about. She did not walk away from teaching Aboriginal kids, and I am quite often in the bad books when I humph and jeer at some piece of idiocy as illustrated by Goodes.

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