Independents courted to form government in South Australia

It looks like two independents, Geoff Brock and Bob Such, will hold the balance of power in South Australia. Such is a former Liberal minister. Brock is relatively conservative.

With the Liberal Party likely to have a 52.5 per cent two-party preferred vote, it has a reasonable expectation to be allowed to govern.

Hopefully Brock and Such will realise the errors of Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott (remember them?) and declare that they will support a Liberal minority Government.

Certainly Steven Marshall should make no deals. He should declare that he will provide good government for all South Australians and that he expects Brock and Such will offer their support.

The people have spoken – a decisive majority of South Australians have voted for a change of government. Brock and Such should heed that vote.

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88 Responses to Independents courted to form government in South Australia

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’d say Bob Such is unlikely to back the Libs. He was on the TV yesterday slagging them off for giving him a hard time in the campaign.

    Well maybe he’s just driving up the price, but he sure sounded angry with them.

  2. craig

    Crossed my mind too about Oakshott and Windsor as to whether the independents will heed history and support the liberals. Mind you, just how much will it cost to pay the independents off for their support? A billion here and there I suppose?

  3. conrad

    I’m not really sure many politicians seem to care about who has the majority of the vote, no matter how big the margin (look what happened for years with Joh Bjelke-Peterson), so I’m not sure that’s a good predictor of what will happen (not that I agree with it incidentally — I think it really should be considered, especially by independents that arn’t aligned to some single cause. Under what circumstances it shouldn’t be is an interesting question).

  4. Carpe Jugulum

    Which way do their electorate lean politically ?

  5. Carpe Jugulum

    Stupid gallaxytab

  6. crazydude

    As much as I like to have the Liberals in government all over the place, I don’t think they should form minority government. I could be wrong, but has there been a successful and popular minority government in Australia?

  7. Rabz

    Sounds like the perfect time for these two clowns to come out of the closet as labor stooges.

    As pointed out above, the cost of keeping them happy might simply be too high. I’m fed up to the back teeth with taxpayers’ money being thrown at unrepresentative opportunists.

  8. samuel j

    No, I said that Marshall should not offer ANY deals. He should declare that as the party with a significant majority of votes it has the right to govern, but Such and Brock should expect no deals and no largesse.

    Then he should say that if Such and Brock really want a deal, and really want to be paid off, they should vote for Weatherill.

    In other words, the entire purpose of these declarations is to reduce the status of the two independents as mere hirelings – if they vote with Labor they will by definition be hirelings. If they vote for Marshall, they can be seen as principled and not being paid off.

    That is the strategy and the message Marshall should be sending.

  9. Token

    Hopefully Brock and Such will realise the errors of Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott (remember them?) and declare that they will support a Liberal minority Government.

    If these 2 wanted to be part of the conservative sane part of Australian society, they would be.

    People who become independents are very vain and need to be loved. They will not make hard decisions.

    The people of SA need another 4 years of the Liars Party to learn the lesson properly (sorry to the 44% who did not find ways to re-elect Labor, you need to put it in the face of your neighbours in the coming years)

    Watch for the malingerers to demand federal funds to make up for their wastrel state government & its >$10B unfunded liabilities for the bloated public service.

  10. wazsah

    I too heard Bob Such on TV news complaining that the Liberals had campaigned against him. Has he lost sight of what an election campaign is?
    JW is sure a talking head – never short of several dozen words to sound on top of everything.
    I agree with SJ – if the Indies and Labor coagulate together with some largesse to the two seats – let them live that.
    Just love the way the Elec Comm does basically no counting for two days.

  11. Token

    No, I said that Marshall should not offer ANY deals. He should declare that as the party with a significant majority of votes it has the right to govern, but Such and Brock should expect no deals and no largesse.

    Exactly. As Ed Koch famously said when the people of NY voted for Dinkins…

    “The People have spoken … and they must be punished.”

  12. Uber

    We know that minority government is a pointless exercise so the result either way will be moot. SA will be in limbo until the next election when they will vote Labor back in because they are an entitlement state. There is little to look forward to for the real tax payers there.

  13. Yobbo

    If the Oakeshott/Windsor debacle taught us anything, it’s that people who want to be career politicians will do anything to protect their jobs, even if it means selling out every principle they have and betraying the people who voted for them.

    Sticking to your principles doesn’t get you a pension.

  14. incoherent rambler

    How naive. The independents will “negotiate”, one party will offer “grants” to NGOs that will in turn donate funds to independents. The independents will then back the party that offers the grants.
    Simple. Graft rules OK?

  15. Eddystone

    I don’t think Bob Such will back the Libs.

    Mr Abbott, who missed out in negotiations to form a minority government after the 2010 federal election, said the independents should take heed of the Liberals’ two-party vote.

    ‘I suspect that the people of South Australia will feel cheated if having voted quite substantially for a change of government, that’s not what they get,’ he said.

    However, Dr Such and Mr Brock said that would not weigh heavily on their minds.

    ‘He (Mr Abbott) should have been mindful about destroying the automotive industry here,’ Dr Such said.

    ‘He wasn’t very mindful about that.’

    So apparently Abbot destroyed the automotive industry!

    He sounds like a Labor shill.

  16. john constantine

    have a look in the explosion in tony windsors wealth and income in the years he backed gillard.paid off handsomely.

    the hero worship from the abc is currency as well. any rural independant that toes the abc line,and supports a socialist government gets treated like god by the abc rural department. being king of the kids is what the abc offers.will it have a value?. notice the abc urging sharman stone to run as a rural independant next time?. victyorian abc rural department used the spc thing to experiment with finding a ‘abc rural independant voice’ for the upcoming victorian election. rural independants are the abc’s big thing.[as long as they are really socialists.] with the abc onside as free political advertising,it is a big leg up in the bush to have the biggest rural electorate media giant onside killing your opposition, an abc gotcha pulled on your rival could well swing things…

  17. James in Melbourne

    I actually want Weatherill to get up. The people of that public-purse Nirvana deserve him.

  18. Token

    have a look in the explosion in tony windsors wealth and income in the years he backed gillard.paid off handsomely.

    Indeed, there are a series of articles about the commercial activities of the Windsor family during his time in power which when put together are illustrative of the dangers to our democracy of the crony system.

  19. Richard Inglis

    Both the independents are past notional retirement age (Such is just short of 70 and Brock reached retirement age and left his lifetime job at the Smelter in 2007) with no love lost between either of them and the Libs. So perhaps they don’t care that they may end up like the two Amigos from the 2010 federal farrago (and they both did pretty well in terms of getting stuff for their respective electorates from Gillard – I think the SA Independents would be looking for similar pork barreling for the next few years bugger the next election result). Given that the putative Liberal premier would be such a greenhorn and with the inevitable disruption a change of Govt would entail they could both justify in their own minds that maintaining the status quo was acceptable despite the intent of a majority of voters. Either way Marshall should not be doing deals – let the ALP cling to power and they will be finished electorally in the long run just as Gillard and the federal ALP were finished (the fed ALP, like Bruce Willis in the 6th Sense, just hasn’t realised it’s dead)

  20. boy on a bike

    According to Hammy, because 300 people marched through Adelaide with silly signs on Sunday, the will of the people demand that they back Labor.

  21. M Ryutin

    Now what would be the best guess of how the two SA Independents would vote?

    Bob Such:-
    “I see the Liberals going more and more down the path of the laissez faire, free-for-all approach but I think the world has changed where it’s not a genuine market or fair playing field.

    “Labor has said they are looking for government to help businesses. I think (government) has to be interventionist and help people get their businesses up and running.”

    One independent lives in Port Pirie, home to the lead smelter and part of the Iron Triangle (Whyalla/Port Augusta and Port Pirie) and the other is whining about having a large proportion of his voters as public servants.

  22. Eddystone

    James in Melbourne
    #1227718, posted on March 17, 2014 at 8:39 am
    I actually want Weatherill to get up. The people of that public-purse Nirvana deserve him.

    Even though we voted 53-47 2PP to get rid of him? You’re a moron.

  23. Token

    Even though we voted 53-47 2PP to get rid of him? You’re a moron.

    Sorry guys, you have allowed the SA Electoral Commission to gerrymander in the favour of the Liars Party & have not rioted about them perverting your democracy.

    If you do not fight, do not cry when the election is stolen.

  24. James in Melbourne

    Sorry Eddystone, more aimed at the geniuses influenced by the late unions campaign, and Labor voters in general. They deserve the Jayster. And sadly there are simply not enough of you.

  25. M Ryutin

    Richard Inglis 8:48 am
    “let the ALP cling to power and they will be finished electorally in the long run”

    Wrong, wrong and wrong! The pathetic NSW Libs did that, sure, and what happened?

    Turned the state into probably the most corrupt in the western world, Bankrupt to boot. No, the steady destruction has to be stopped and even a check will be to the good.

  26. Ant

    I saw Such on Skynews yesterday loving the sound of his own voice – Oakshott style.

    And he’s ticked off because the Liberals gave him a hard time – the poor poopie. Politics is just so nasty.

    Sounds like it’s time for that “new paradigm” in SA.

  27. Cold-Hands

    Marshall must paint these two so called independents as the corrupt Labor-loving stooges that they are and refuse to deal. While he’s at it, he should refer the SAEC to ICAC. The threat might be enough to loosen the gerrymander for next time.

  28. Robbo

    According to some observers those two independents are almost a lock for the Labor Party so it looks likely that the gerrymander in SA wins again. If Labor holds on to government then there is no hope that some reasonable electoral reform will be initiated. Reminds me a bit of the good old days in Queensland when Joh held power despite the popular vote. I seem to recall that the biggest complainers then about a gerrymander were the Labor Party who are now very silent about the one they have put in place in South Aus.

  29. Token

    …so it looks likely that the gerrymander in SA wins again

    SA Liberals need to rage about the institutionalised corruption of the electoral process to steal elections and note the handouts the Liars Party provides to bribe the “independents”.

    If the leadership of the Liberals can avoid acting like floppy wet losers they can use this result to force real reform to re-empower the citizens of SA. If they don’t they condemn the state to replace Tasmania as the state kids must leave to have a future.

  30. Splatacrobat

    Let Labor sell their arse to the two independents. No by-election during the Gillard/Rudd term was an aberration. There will be a bi-election in SA and when it does happen Labor will fall.

  31. incoherent rambler

    SA Liberals need to rage about the institutionalised corruption of the electoral process to steal elections and note the handouts the Liars Party provides to bribe the “independents”.

    But they will not. Just as Abbott did not.

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

  32. Eddystone

    I think 53-47 is a pretty fair majority in modern politics.

    What are we supposed to do, any change has to be through the existing system does it not?

    Let’s not forget that the Libs had a huge gerrymander up until the early sixties. There is still a residual sentiment against them as born-to-rule, upper class twits.

    I’m quite pissed off with all this SA bashing. It would take very little to get this place up and running again.

    We could have been a world centre for nuclear waste disposal, safe in the outback. The olympic dam project could go ahead, given the right regulatory conditions. There are vast shale oil deposits around Coober Pedy. All the fucking wind power could be sold off for scrap, and new coal fired generators built, we have plenty of coal deposits.

    Guess who fucked up all these and lied about it? Labor, aided and abetted by the media, so that the public were fooled into thinking these were all bad things. And the useless fucking Libs, toffee nosed twits, played along.

    So don’t keep telling me we deserve Labor. We want a change, but there isn’t much confidence in the SA Libs, and the system is rigged, so short of hoisting the black flag, tell me what you would do to change things.

  33. Andrew

    Weatherill has this in the bag…the independents will return the Liars Party

  34. Thomas Esmond Knox

    Under Joh, the Country Party/Nationals plus the Liberals always won the majority of votes.

  35. Token

    I’m quite pissed off with all this SA bashing. It would take very little to get this place up and running again.

    Who is SA bashing?

    We understand the gut wrenching disappointment the 44% who gave their primary vote to the Liberals feel. the problem is the system is stacked and the people who want sane government need to learn from the left and use the injustice perpetrated on the South Australian community as a way to rally the community against Labor.

    Let’s not forget that the Libs had a huge gerrymander up until the early sixties. There is still a residual sentiment against them as born-to-rule, upper class twits.

    Sounds like Victoria. Big spending big government “manage the decline” lefties dominate the party and prevent real reform.

  36. Labor used to be very pious in the 1970s and 1980s about running elections on fair boundaries. Constitutional amendments were voted on.

  37. brc

    There is no chance of independents siding with the Liberals. They would just be in the party already if they did.

    Independents are always populist fools, and they always side with Labor on populist issues like ‘save the planet’ and ‘save the jobs’. They see their role as one of protecting people from change, keeping out nasty foreigners and competition and hitting up some other taxpayer for some juicy cash.

  38. amortiser

    Robbo:
    If I recall correctly, the gerrymander in Queensland, which incidentally was the creation of the ALP, did not result in the ALP being denied government. It was the Liberals who suffered as they were unable to be the major party in the Coalition government. The ALP were just hopeless. Even after the Fitzgerald debacle they still proved themselves to be hopeless. They only maintained power because of the disunity in the Coalition parties. When that was sorted out the ALP went down in flames.

  39. Fleeced

    Are SA terms 3 years or 4?

  40. Leigh Lowe

    The AEC is a Federal Agency.
    After a series of fuck-ups (including the WA Senate election and the mysteriously “found” 1,000 votes in Indi) the idiot in charge, Ed Killesteyn, is leaving.
    Time to make sure Fast Eddie’s successor is a hard-arse who cleans out the Adelaide AEC office.

  41. James of the Glen

    “The people of that public-purse Nirvana deserve him.”

    Does that include the 53% who voted against him? Does the 53% have to be disregarded again?

    When the majority are fighting not only the wretched Labor Party but the Electoral Commission as well but then have the likes of Weatherill wished on them, such a “well-wisher” would today receive something he’d never forget.

    SA has been disenfranchised, again.

  42. duncanm

    Carpe,

    both electorates are heavily skewed to the right.

    Fisher: http://www.abc.net.au/news/sa-election-2014/guide/fish/
    Frome: http://www.abc.net.au/news/sa-election-2014/guide/from/

    Fisher: 35% lib, 4% FF / 18% lab, 4% green.
    Frome: 37% lib, 5% FF / 11% lab, 2.5% green.

    I don’t expect any of that to sway the Indies. I think incoherent rambler has the play book.

    If this occurs, I want SA libs to go in hard on the whole sordid mess

  43. Baldrick

    Which way do their electorate lean politically ?

    - The seat of Fisher, held by independent Bob Such is a conservative:
    Independent – 39% / Liberal – 35% / Labor – 18%

    - The seat of Frome, held by independent Geoff Brock is a conservative seat:
    Independent – 44% / Liberal – 36% / Labor – 11%

    So you would ‘expect’ both independents to support a Liberal government considering the 2nd preferences in their respective seats.

  44. Anthony

    We should let the independents go to Labor with our blessing. Has anyone ever, in their wildest fantasy, imagined what damage 16 years of socialist rule will do to SA? Our patience now will result in the complete and utter obliteration of the ALP in SA in the not too distant future. Then we can get on with taking all of the minerals out of the ground and restoring and further building SA. No gain without pain. And it’s a cheaper, long-term answer than another Rudd-Gillard-Rudd fiasco.

  45. H B Bear

    The Green-Left Weekly Radio Hour (Early edition) formerly known as AM talks to Labor’s yesterday man Kim Il Carrosaurus,

    LOUISE YAXLEY: Labor’s industry spokesman Kim Carr sees the South Australian election result as voters rewarding the ALP for its plans to try to stop job losses in manufacturing.

    KIM CARR: Well what the election result shows is that the smartie-insider opinion in Canberra doesn’t hold in South Australia. It’s quite clear that Australians are very concerned about the loss of jobs, particularly in the automotive industry.

    It’s a shame there won’t be any AMWU members left when Kim’s latest Senate term expires to continue this great mans work. Thank God this fat fvck is no longer in charge of the taxpayers’ cheque book.

  46. Fleeced

    4 years is far too long when you have a shitty, corrupt government – we learned that in NSW… and under Gillard, even 3 years felt like an eternity. Any way they can trigger an election?

    Libs need to et up here, just so they can fix the electorate shambles. That is such a blatant rort. It’s not unusual for winner of TPP to lose, but not when it is of that magnitude. If it happens beyond 50.5% and/or happens repeatedly in favour of a particular party, then there are some serious problems.

    Whatever the outcome, the Libs need to go in hard against the SA electoral commission.

  47. Fleeced

    The Lib premiers we have in other states are somewhat disappointing though…

  48. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We should let the independents go to Labor with our blessing.

    South Australia could always serve as the awful example of voting Labor.

  49. Fleeced

    South Australia could always serve as the awful example of voting Labor.

    Except that they didn’t – but ended up with them anyway… poor bastards.

  50. Eddystone

    South Australia could always serve as the awful example of voting Labor.

    Yeah, thanks mate, if it makes you feel better.

  51. Wozzup

    One can only hope that reason will prevail.

    In either event it is particularly galling that having beaten Labor on a 2 party preferred basis of 47:53 – a 6% point lead – the Liberals still are unable to form government in its own right. Clearly the electoral system is deeply, deeply flawed and warrants immediate and far reaching reform.

    As Graham Richardson wrote in today’s Australian a discrepancy of 6% points in favor of one party or the other smacks of nothing less than a GERRYMANDER.

    Will the independents do the right thing and support the party the people of SA overwhelmingly backed? Its too early to tell.

    Ego, self interest and personal factors can play an excessive role. If they have any sense they will -Brock says his main concern is support for regions, especially his own. Clearly here the Libs are well in front. As for Such he is more of a dark horse. An ex Liberal Minister who had a falling out with them. This may mean personal issues will intervene. We can only hope not as 4 more years of Labor will see this state even more in the toilet than it is right now. A rust bucket state – we will be lucky if we can afford a bucket with 4 more years of Labor waste and socialism and 1950s era thinking.

    Its all about big government folks leading SA by the nose. That’s commisar Weatherill’s view of the world so not much chance of sensible policies coming out of a labor Cabinet – particularly controlled as they are by caucus which in turn is controlled by unions.

  52. james

    Even though we voted 53-47 2PP to get rid of him? You’re a moron.

    Move.

    If you are part of the 53% the other 47% don’t deserve you.

    They deserve nothing but each other.

    Welcome to the new Tasmania Croweaters;

    hopefully you can get more money out of tourists for Kangaroo Island, the vineyards and the deserts than the apple isle can out of its mouldy old trees.

  53. james

    The Lib premiers we have in other states are somewhat disappointing though…

    At least Napthine is standing up to the red scum in Clifton hill and the greenie scum over duck hunting and jumps racing.

    The good doctor may not have much to recommend him otherwise but you take the positives where you can.

  54. Robbo

    “I’m quite pissed off with all this SA bashing. It would take very little to get this place up and running again.”

    Running where Eddystone?

  55. Token

    So you would ‘expect’ both independents to support a Liberal government considering the 2nd preferences in their respective seats.

    No actually, they exist by being different to the alternative, not being the same. Whatever the reason is they chose to be an independent, they can only survive by being clients of the Labor Party.

    It is about times voters understood that a couple of electorates voting for Labor Party endorsed “Independents” are critical to allow a minority party like the ALP get government.

    This is what happened in NSW. This is how Kennett got beaten in ’98. That is how Gillard won the ’10 election.

    The Liberals should never “play nice” with people who exist to keep them out of government.

  56. Tom

    Australia’s most disgraceful election-fixing by the corrupt Liars Party machine wouldn’t have been allowed to happen without the piss-weak, gutless acquiescence of the Liberal Party. Chris Kenny:


    …while we are now seeing widespread surprise in the media and political commentary, this was all predictably on the cards. And there are two important lessons to be drawn from that point. First, something should have been done about it sooner. The electoral commission’s redrawing of boundaries after each election have clearly not been doing their job. After 2010, for instance, they should have redrawn boundaries so that based on those polling booth numbers the same result (51.6 per cent 2PP) would give the Liberals 24 or more seats. Instead they redrew them to give the Liberals just 19. In other words, they refused to deliver the fairness required. The Liberals should never have accepted this. Second, having accepted those boundaries, the Liberals knew the marginal seats problem and which seats they needed to win. So they should have fought better and smarter in those key seats.

    The SA Libs are from the same corrupt insider class as the Liars. Four more years of having the Liars mismanagement shoved down their throats may turn enough croweaters into activists to start repairing the wreckage. In the meantime, pray for enough pre-poll/postals to tip out the crims.

  57. Eddystone

    james
    #1227893, posted on March 17, 2014 at 12:00 pm

    Move.

    Don’t be silly. I’ve got a great job, family and friends. I’ve lived here most of my life. It’s a great place to live. A few tweaks, unlikely as that is to happen, and SA would be the envy of the world.

    Robbo
    #1227920, posted on March 17, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    Running where Eddystone?

    Up and running as a going concern, not dependent on Commonwealth handouts. But you already knew I meant that, Knobbo.

  58. Combine Dave

    The Lib premiers we have in other states are somewhat disappointing though…

    Speak for your own state :P

  59. entropy

    The key to understanding rural independents as that they are into the politics of complaint. Rural independent constituencies believe they are the very definition of what it is to be Australian, in fact, they are the Australians that are more Australian that anyone else. But despite this ‘fact’, they have not received the rewards that definitely should go with the role.
    So the key to success for a rural independent is to empathise this belief, and demand the government do something about it. Nothing rational can be done of course, so it is no good lining yourself up with the government. It is best to make a lot of noise from opposition. And you will get rewarded for just that, a lot of people would be happy that the noise was made, and even though nothing happens, you can always say that it is because you are not in government. Katter worked this out long ago, and Palmer knows it too.

    Where oak shot and Windsor made their greatest mistake was agreeing to support a government. These independents, if they want to stay where they are, should refuse to support anyone. Because if they side with labour, they will lose the next election. Let the governor decide what to do.

  60. politichix

    entropy
    #1228043, posted on March 17, 2014 at 2:33 pm
    Where oak shot and Windsor made their greatest mistake was agreeing to support a government. These independents, if they want to stay where they are, should refuse to support anyone. Because if they side with labour, they will lose the next election. Let the governor decide what to do.

    Now that’s a left field thought. What a cool outcome that would be – I would pay to see that. Any chance either of the independents have that degree of personal integrity?

  61. .

    It’s hard not to laugh. Enjoy the rolling blackouts, a fruit of voting for the looney left and having contempt not just for the non batshit political parties in this country, but things like basic engineering and economics.

    I hope their great grandchildren are still going to be paying taxes for nonsense like man made dams like the Lake Alexandria barrages which require ‘environmental flows’.

  62. Gab

    The problem with SA is too many of them believe that paying the highest electricity prices in Australia will save the planet.

  63. Eddystone

    It’s hard not to laugh. Enjoy the rolling blackouts, a fruit of voting for the looney left and having contempt not just for the non batshit political parties in this country, but things like basic engineering and economics.

    I hope their great grandchildren are still going to be paying taxes for nonsense like man made dams like the Lake Alexandria barrages which require ‘environmental flows’.

    Well enjoy your laugh, arsehole.

    I’m sick of some of the fuckwits here disparaging SA, so I’m off for a bit while I cool down.

  64. James of the Glen

    ” Four more years of having the Liars mismanagement shoved down their throats may turn enough croweaters into activists to start repairing the wreckage.”

    Tom, there is some truth in that. But the limited action since the same scenario in 2010 does not give much hope.

    It has become a comfortable existence for some Liberal members to collect their pay, no matter who is in power. They go from election to election, turn up at a few parochial parties, and then disappear for the rest of the year, and that is no exaggeration. There is one guy who has barely lifted a finger (never even stood for any shadow ministry portfolio) since being elected countless years ago. He had a senior position in the financial sector before parliament. Unbelievable.

  65. Fleeced

    I’m sick of some of the fuckwits here disparaging SA, so I’m off for a bit while I cool down.

    Lighten up a little, Eddy – it’s the Australian way to bag out other states, and with Tasmania finally dumping ALP-Greens, we need someone new to pick on. If WA surprises us and votes in a couple Greens into the senate (or even just re-elects Ludlam), I’m sure they’ll be next to cop flak.

    Though it seems the majority of SA residents have been well and truly shafted (repeatedly) by their state electoral office.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    I’m sick of some of the fuckwits here disparaging SA, so I’m off for a bit while I cool down.

    South Australia has great wine, terrific murders a nice cricket ground. I also spent some very enjoyable summers with family friends at Robe and enjoyed a pastie from the bakery at Ceduna whilst hot footing it across the country.

    The rest of the place looks like the day after the day after tomorrow.

  67. Cold-Hands

    If the electors of Fisher and Frome are conservative, they’d better get in the ears of their respective Independents right now and vehemently, otherwise they’ll end up like the electors of Lyon and New England- raging impotently while the rest of the electorate blames them for another term of ALP mismanagement.

  68. eb

    Don’t take it so hard Eddystone. Us ACTians have been copping it for yonks! It’s not personal.

  69. Fleeced

    Don’t take it so hard Eddystone. Us ACTians have been copping it for yonks! It’s not personal.

    Oh, if you choose to live in the ACT, it’s personal!

  70. Andrew

    These independents, if they want to stay where they are, should refuse to support anyone. Because if they side with labour, they will lose the next election. Let the governor decide what to do.

    Interesting thought. But the Governor will simply say “Incumbent, test your support on the floor of the House.” So de facto, it would involve leaving in Bjelke-Weatherill as they would really be obligated not to support a no-confidence vote.

    But yes, unlike the coalition of traitors (Gillard, Thomson, Jokeshott, Windbag, Greens – in no particular order – with Slipper as Speaker), they could explicitly refuse to commit to anything, all legislation case by case, all taxes case by case. The right to back a vote of no confidence at any time, theoretically even Supply although that would be a stupid way to fuck everything up and would achieve nothing. They would simply turn up in Parliament and vote on stuff. And if they vote down a lot of stuff, another no confidence motion could be periodically tabled.

  71. CatAttack

    Got to love how Shorten can put a positive spin on a 3% swing AGAINST Labor. Gee the result wasn’t as bad as we thought it would be.

    Well the only result that counts is that which happens on the day and there was a swing against them. That’s hardly a ringing bloody endorsement in my book.

  72. Paul of the Adelaide Hills

    Hi everybody, I am a long term reader of Cats, but this is my first post. As a long term resident of SA I can say that I am hard working, pay my taxes and despair of the current situation in SA. The trend in Labor being returned despite receiving less votes than Liberals should be the subject of a significant enquiry, I suggest a Royal Commission. Also, the two Independents should carefully consider the lessons from Oakes and Windsor before they align with Labor. Lastly, I think it will be interesting to follow the voting returns over the next few days. The SEC are only starting tomorrow to count the pre-polls and postals. There remains about 7,000 votes in each electorate to count, we might see some changes to current positions.
    Regards, Paul

  73. kraka

    Eddystone-every time I go to Sth Oz and read the advertiser the LTTE are virtually all do gooders complaining about treatment of illegal immigrants etc. Unfortunately sane people like yourself will hve to suffer for being the silent majority-emphasis on the silent bit too by the way. We opened up a branch in the Iron Triangle on the strength of ODO but the ALP at both a state and federal level soon fucked that up. Deciding this month whether to close it and quite frankly if the ALP gets back in its curtains to a few folks jobs. It’s not enough to be a silent majority-time for all conservatives to take a leaf and start bombarding the media and the pollies that we are sick of them being socialists

  74. kraka

    Plus it is hard to not put shit on a state that regularly gives us fuckwits like Sarah Two Dads

  75. Tator

    Kraka,
    you can blame Clive Palmer for the Hyphen harridan as she got bugga all votes and got in on PUP preferences.

  76. Eddystone

    Okay, I’m calm now. A couple of cleansing ales helped.

    I used to write regularly to the Advertiser, and got a few published. Contact with my local pollie has left me with the impression that he is an anti-gun seat warmer, and he’s the son of a former Premier and member of a prominent family, so I assume he is the idiot relative who can’t hold down a responsible position.

    I do what I can to influence my workmates and friends, but joining the Liberal Party and trying to effect change from within, well life is too short.

    So being told that we all deserve a Labor gov’t, after voting for a landslide Liberal one, well, I wonder at the mental processes of those making such comments.

    I fail to see for example, what my 2 1/2 year old grand-daughter has done to attract the ire of Dot, who apparently thinks she is responsible for decisions taken in the 1930′s. That was just one comment too many.

    By the way, Dot, the LDP put up a pretty dismal show. The attitude of your mate who was here a while ago, he seemed to think that voters were pretty stupid, may be a bit of a problem for the LDP’s future success.

  77. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Eddystone, I sympathise.

    Spent a bit of time living in SA at Westlakes.

    A uni prof of my acquanitance summed it up: “SA is what happens when 95% of the best and brightest leave, every year, for the 40 years I have been a uni. prof.”

    He knew (and had taught) most of the pollies in parliament at that time. All of them were bare passes (mostly in law and arts degrees). Same with the judiciary, in his view the Commonwealth’s finest and most magnificent collection of homosexual child molesters, pederasts, BDSM perverts, whip’n'chain boyos, coprophiles, urine fetishists, drug-abusers, alcoholics and snerd nurglers.

    As he said, he should know, he’d buggered/been buggered by most of them at one time or another. Even the women females.

    He’s dead now, which is a pity. He was a marvellous raconteur.

  78. Big Jim

    Eddystone, Adelaide is just not like Melbourne, just not like Sydney. And they will hate you, despise you and resent you for that, until it is. And then they will have destroyed you. Fuck’m.

  79. Eddystone

    Hi Mark.

    I think SA has enormous potential, we just need an entrepreneurial culture. The statists and the ruling class will become less important if and when that happens. Hopefully the blatant gerrymander will open people’s eyes.

    What to do about the leftist, nanny state-loving media is the problem, but that is not unique to SA.

    I am not too upset that the Libs wont form government, as they would be as bad as, or worse, than Labor. At least Labor will be a lame-duck government, and hopefully will not be able to do too much more damage. God knows what the Libs would have done if Abbott had propped them up with Commonwealth money.

    Anyway, I’ve been busy loading up rounds for the weekends Service rifle shoot, 41 gr of 2206H behind a 150 gr projectile in the P-14, should give around 2,700 fps I reckon. Smokin!

  80. Eddystone

    Big Jim

    #1229006, posted on March 17, 2014 at 10:17 pm

    Eddystone, Adelaide is just not like Melbourne, just not like Sydney. And they will hate you, despise you and resent you for that, until it is. And then they will have destroyed you. Fuck’m.

    Too right Big Jim.

    They can kiss my white, able-bodied, heterosexual arse!

  81. 41 gr of 2206H behind a 150 gr projectile in the P-14

    What projectiles are you using? (I’m assuming we’re talking .303 British here, given the rifle.)

  82. Eddystone

    I try to use Hornady Interlock, they perform well on deer and are accurate in my Lee Enfields.

    They are a bit hard to come by in Adelaide at the moment, no doubt because we are a mob of Labor voting tax-eaters. :)

  83. None

    Bob Such spent most of the last term obsessing like a demented cat about how to kill South Australians. Anyone who does a deal with him drinks poison and will only poison the state. The guy should be insitutionalised not seated in parliament.

  84. .

    Eddie the LDP had a nasty split in SA. They are rebuilding.

    If you think my comments went too far, the whole water thing makes me heat up like a MDB report bonfire at Griffith.

    I feel sorry for you, where 53% 2PP isn’t enough to dislodge a turd like Wetherill.

  85. Marty

    To all who commented during the day on Monday 17 March:
    Get off your arses and do some work for a change!

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