What was that about answering the phone at 3:00 am?

The state of play on the Eastern Front. From Drudge:

Crimea votes for Russia union…
60,000 troops massed on border…
Putin’s Popularity Soars…
Goals reach far beyond peninsula…
REPORT: Russia Downs US Drone…
Obama rejects vote results…
Soros Predicts Ukraine Could Ruin EU…
State TV says Russia could turn USA to ‘radioactive ash’…
Threatens switch to other currencies over sanctions threat…

You think this isn’t back to the Cold War? If this is from “State TV” this is semi-official.

A leading anchor on Russian state television on Sunday described Russia as the only country capable of turning the United States into “radioactive ash”, in an incendiary comment at the height of tensions over the Crimea referendum.

Kiselyov made the comment to support his argument that the United States and President Barack Obama were living in fear of Russia led by President Vladimir Putin amid the Ukraine crisis.

His programme was broadcast as the first exit polls were being published showing an overwhelming majority of Crimeans voting to leave Ukraine and join Russia.

Why even hint at nuclear war but there you are. The one-world progressives, our leading elites across the West, never even saw it coming. As for Sarah and Mitt, well that’s another story.

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114 Responses to What was that about answering the phone at 3:00 am?

  1. Token

    Why even hint at nuclear war but there you are. The one-world progressives, our leading elites across the West, never even saw this coming. As for Sarah and Mitt, well that’s another story.

    Watch and see how anyone who stands up to the bully is attacked by the surrender monkeys in the western media.

  2. C.L.

    DRUDGE header:

    RISE OF A NEW MOTHERLAND

    Obama – the worst president ever – has lost the Cold War.

    After Reagan won it.

  3. Baldrick

    Embarrassingly, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry declared on 17 February 2014,

    “In a sense, climate change can now be considered another weapon of mass destruction, perhaps even the world’s most fearsome weapon of mass destruction.”

  4. That was a great ad by Clinton at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr7odFUARg

    Clinton was only a second term senator when she ran but she was a busy senate committee member

  5. wazsah

    I have to admire the way Russia and those nostalgic for the USSR are so quick to have an election when it suits them. There must be horse laughs all over eastern Europe as people recall the elections they enjoyed over 45 years post WWII.

  6. thefrollickingmole

    Does anyone have the link to the vid of Palin speculating that the Crimea could be a flash point?

    I cant recall if I saw it linked here or on another site.

  7. Habib

    All Ivan was doing was lying doggo to regroup, re-arm and await the inevitable elevation of the dickless to leadership in the west. All boxes ticked, I reckon even recent NATO joiners are at dire risk.

  8. Anne

    Bob Brown must be wetting himself with happiness! His One World Order is about to come to fruition.

    What’s that Bob?

    Not what you meant…

  9. Tardell G

    Yeah, but Obama’s got advance copies of “Game of thrones”, so he’s up on that at least.

  10. thefrollickingmole

    Still cant find the vid, but heres the story..

    In 2008, then-vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin warned Republicans that if Barack Obama were elected, we should expect poor foreign policies that could lead to instability on the world stage- including a possibility that Russia could invade Ukraine.

    Calling this argument “strange” and an “extremely far-fetched scenario,” Foreignpolicy.com mocked Palin’s assertion and noted,

    Speaking Tuesday at a rally in a Reno, Nevada, Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin had a little fun with her counterpart on the Democratic ticket, thanking Joe Biden for warning Barack Obama’s supporters to “gird your loins” for an international crisis if the Illinois senator wins.

    Palin helpfully offered four scenarios for such a crisis, one of which was this strange one:

    “After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next.”

    As we’ve said before, this is an extremely far-fetched scenario. And given how Russia has been able to unsettle Ukraine’s pro-Western government without firing a shot, I don’t see why violence would be necessary to bring Kiev to heel. Watch the upcoming parliamentary elections in December to see if Moscow gets the pliable new government it wants.

  11. Token

    Calling this argument “strange” and an “extremely far-fetched scenario,” Foreignpolicy.com mocked Palin’s assertion and noted,

    That is the same crowd who gave Hillary a standing ovation when she took over running the State Department. The know nothing yellow backed facilitators of totalitarians.

    Who’s advice do you think the Sun King & Hillary were taking when they chose not to support the people who stood up to the Irani regime in 2009 and needed support to keep the popular revolution alive?

    After the “success” of the Cairo surrender, the state department believed the transformative speechifier could “manage” the existing Irani regime so advised the D’rats to through the protestors under the bus.

  12. thefrollickingmole

    Gab

    Cheers, thats the exact one I was after.

  13. Gab

    oops, I meant to write: Yay! I still got it!

  14. C.L.

    Does anyone have the link to the vid of Palin speculating that the Crimea could be a flash point?

    Here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GivoqyhefdE

  15. Rob MW

    Stuffed if I know but the irony is profound; as the West runs flat-out into Socialism and autocratic entitlement, where democracy must be suspended to save the World, Russia runs the other way having once been there and done that.

    It is also interesting how the West endorsed the Arab spring, the division of Sudan and the opposition terrorists in Syria in the name of forging democracy on the one hand, yet and without the blood on the ground, then to turn around and deny Crimea the same thing on the other.

  16. C.L.

    That’s a must-watch Beck classic, by the way.

  17. TonyOrlando

    “Obama – the worst president ever – has lost the Cold War.”
    The Cold War was about helping nations break free of the Soviet Union, it wasn’t about stopping people trying to break back into it.

  18. C.L.

    The Cold War was about helping nations break free of the Soviet Union …

    No, it wasn’t.

    It was about stopping the growth of the Soviet sphere of influence.

  19. TonyOrlando

    It was about stopping the growth of the Soviet sphere of influence.

    Whatever, the Soviets – workers councils – are long gone. And if a small former province of Russia wishes to rejoin Russia I find it difficult to get worked up about it.
    Particularly as the country they belong keeps invalidating any election in which their candidate wins. Ukraine isnt exactly a poster child for one person, one vote at the moment.
    If the 3 am phone was ringing in my apartment, I would be disconnecting it and getting some more sleep.

  20. C.L.

    Yeah Tony, that’s an understandable take on things.

  21. C.L.

    The strange thing about Putin is that many Westerners actually admire him for – ironically – brutally shutting down the left. The same left that is out of control in the West.

    So I find it hard to get excited about Putin’s moves either, to be honest.

  22. feelthebern

    Even the Simpsons called this over a decade ago.
    Will post link when I can find it.

  23. Bill

    A nuclear winter will certainly solve the Catatrophic Climate Crisis.

    That just might be John Kerry’s aim.

  24. cynical1

    So what? A leading anchor on Russian state television on Sunday described Russia as the only country capable of turning the United States into “radioactive ash”, in an incendiary comment at the height of tensions over the Crimea referendum.

    They’d have about 15.7 seconds to enjoy it before being turned to ash themselves…

  25. Fisky

    I bet Foreign Policy was predicting a bright future for the Soviet Union as late as ’89.

  26. Fisky

    Barack Obama, who told Romney in a debate that “the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years.”

    Barack Obama supported the Soviet Union in the Cold War.

  27. Zaphod

    Does anyone have the link to the vid of Palin speculating that the Crimea could be a flash point?

    hmmm.
    Can’t believe people here are endorsing Sarah Palin. She’s a Dominionist Christian who believes we’re in End Times. Anyone
    else here looking forward to being raptured into the sky ?

  28. PeterM

    The Russians are well versed and practised in games of strategy such as chess. Putin and the Kremlin would have already played this game through several moves ahead.

    I’d venture that the moves by Russia are a way to commit the western European and American governments into bringing Ukraine into the EU and pick up the tab for this. The transition has been estimated at a cost in excess of $1B, including a complete re-write of most financial and business legislation. Absolute chaos and a significant additional financial burden on an already strained Euro-zone and US.

    Almost 50% of Europe’s energy comes from Russian exports. They won’t play too hard if they wish to still have their economies viable so I see the only viable outcome being that Ukraine is left high and dry, much like Georgia.

  29. Spiro

    Any scholar of old greek would know that Simferopol is old greek for “city of common interests” and their interests lie with Russia not with Kiev. Anyone here talking about Soviets must still be living in the 1970′s. Obama the clown should be interested in how he is going to solve the $17,500,000,000,000 US government debt problem, or $150,000 per taxpayer, or 108% of GDP. Compare the pair:
    http://www.usdebtclock.org/
    http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/russia

  30. thefrollickingmole

    Zaphod

    No ones endorsing her, just pointing out the “smartest guys in the room” got outperformed by, in your words, Dominionist Christian who believes we’re in End Times.

    And the jackals of the media endorsed Hairplugs Biden in mocking her for it.

  31. Max

    Stuffed if I know but the irony is profound; as the West runs flat-out into Socialism and autocratic entitlement, where democracy must be suspended to save the World, Russia runs the other way having once been there and done that.

    The Gods of the Copybook Headings – Kipling

    AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
    I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
    Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

    We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
    That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
    But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
    So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

    We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
    Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
    But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
    That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

    With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
    They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
    They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
    So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

    When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
    They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
    But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”

    On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
    (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
    Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

    In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
    By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
    But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

    Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

    As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

  32. Gab

    Anyone else here looking forward to being raptured into the sky ?

    Perhaps you ought to direct your question to the True Believers of the End-of-Times over at NASA.

  33. C.L.

    She’s a Dominionist Christian who believes we’re in End Times.

    So what? Obama belonged to a wacko “church” that taught that the CIA invented AIDS.

    Obama endorsed these views for 20 years.

    No ones endorsing her …

    I am.

    She’s five times smarter than Obama.

  34. thefrollickingmole

    C.L.

    Agree to disagree there C.L. shes impressive enough but a little too “gimmicky” for my tastes.

    And yes i think shes probably better than ‘Bama the beta boy.

  35. Gab

    How typical. Palin proves she was prescient so leftards attack her through her religious beliefs.

  36. .

    I told you Bilary was better than Bambi, because she has no actual beliefs, and for her quest seeking dynastic power, wouldn’t make such a fuck up as there would be too much loss of face.

    Fisky
    #1228085, posted on March 17, 2014 at 2:51 pm
    I bet Foreign Policy was predicting a bright future for the Soviet Union as late as ’89.
    Fisky

    #1228090, posted on March 17, 2014 at 2:52 pm
    Barack Obama supported the Soviet Union in the Cold War.

    Well duh.

  37. lotocoti

    They’d have about 15.7 seconds to enjoy it before being turned to ash themselves…

    Do you really believe Bronco Bama would launch under fire?

  38. will

    So what? A leading anchor on Russian state television on Sunday described Russia as the only country capable of turning the United States into “radioactive ash”, in an incendiary comment at the height of tensions over the Crimea referendum.

    They’d have about 15.7 seconds to enjoy it before being turned to ash themselves…

    No, not really. The Magic negro will be unable to interupt his lastest holiday for a decision on this.

  39. Zaphod

    How typical. Palin proves she was prescient so leftards attack her through her religious beliefs.

    You reckon someone who thinks we’re in “end times”, would make a good leader?

  40. C.L.

    Obama believes the CIA invented AIDS.

    He belonged to Jeremiah Wright’s wacko cult for nearly quarter of a century.

    Palin’s religious views are entirely unremarkable.

    Nice try, though.

    It must hurt that a moose hunter has humiliated the Magic Negro.

  41. Ant

    It must be so exasperating for the liberal left in the US.

    There they were thinking all they needed was that stupid ‘RESET’ button stunt and every lil’ thing would be just Jim Dandy.

    But it looks like it was the Russians who are into the “reset” schtick. As in reset Russia (new Soviet) / US relations back to the ’50s, ’60s & ’70s.

    The left are such sentimental throwbacks.

  42. .

    Obama believes the CIA invented AIDS.

    He belonged to Jeremiah Wright’s wacko cult for nearly quarter of a century.

    Zaphod – if you think there is a comeback to this, you have no shame.

  43. JC

    Zaphod – if you think there is a comeback to this, you have no shame.

    Hey zap, don’t try the ivy league schtick as we’re also aware the Kenyan was affirmative actioned in.

  44. Token

    Any scholar of old greek would know that Simferopol is old greek for “city of common interests”…

    Sorry, the Greeks got deported from the Crimea with the Bulgarians and a large number of Tartars in the ethnic cleansing during the Soviet era. Who is going to read the Greek?

    The upheavals and ethnic cleansing of the 20th century vastly changed Crimea’s ethnic situation. In 1944, 70,000 Greeks and 14,000 Bulgarians from Crimea were deported to Central Asia and Siberia, along with 200,000 Crimean Tatars and other nationalities.[why?][1][2] By the latter 20th century, Russians and Ukrainians made up almost the entire population. However, with the fall of the Soviet Union, exiled Crimean Tatars began returning to their homeland and would become 10% of the population by the beginning of the 21st century.

  45. Token

    How typical. Palin proves she was prescient so leftards attack her through her religious beliefs.

    Hahaha, Zaphod backed Obama over Palin.

    LOL, what a dupe.

  46. When the facts are unpalatable, Zaphod goes the person, in an attempt to derail the thread.
    “Hey! Look over there! It’s a Palin!”

  47. Baldrick

    Perhaps you can enlighten us all Zaphod and explain exactly which branch of Dominionism does Sarah Palin subscribe, Christian Reconstructionism or Kingdom Now theology, or are you just repeating some leftist crap you read somewhere?

  48. the “smartest guys in the room” got outperformed by, in your words, Dominionist Christian who believes we’re in End Times.
    And the jackals of the media endorsed Hairplugs Biden in mocking her for it.

    + 10

    No ones endorsing her …

    I am.
    She’s five times smarter than Obama.

    That isn’t hard. Every boss I’ve ever had would do a better job as President than Obama.
    I’d be waaaay better than Obama. He’s a buffoon.

    Sarah Palin, regardless of any perceived flaws, would be 100 times better in the role of President than Obama.

  49. Myrddin Seren

    Still – to every grey cloud there is a potential silver lining

    Soros Predicts Ukraine Could Ruin EU…

    Not that they need much help.

  50. Denise

    Zaphod
    #1228105, posted on March 17, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Does anyone have the link to the vid of Palin speculating that the Crimea could be a flash point?

    hmmm.
    Can’t believe people here are endorsing Sarah Palin. She’s a Dominionist Christian who believes we’re in End Times. Anyone
    else here looking forward to being raptured into the sky ?

    Dominionist Christians don’t believe in the rapture, Zaphod, in fact they write books like ‘Right behind’ mocking that eschatology. The Dominionists are postmillenialists; it’s all happened and satan’s locked up – I wonder who keeps letting him out? Whereas those who believe in the rapture are called premillenialists. You need to know these things so you don’t make an ass of yourself if you’re going to discuss Christians.

  51. .

    Has he made a punt against the Euro?

  52. .

    Zaph was wrong about Palin, and he was ignorant of Obama’s fringe lunatic belief in the CIA and AIDS?

    Wow, just wow.

  53. stackja

    Liberty Quotes
    “Envy is corrosive to the individual and to those societies that embrace it. Nations that throw over capitalism for socialism have made an immoral choice.” — Aryeh Spero

    Nostalgia for the USSR bread queue.

  54. Token

    All Ivan was doing was lying doggo to regroup, re-arm and await the inevitable elevation of the dickless to leadership in the west. All boxes ticked, I reckon even recent NATO joiners are at dire risk

    They always were, as some contributors have informed us, all the world is Russian territory, the only reason it is not at the moment as the ruler of the Kremlin hasn’t got to them yet.

  55. Token

    Soros Predicts Ukraine Could Ruin EU…

    Wow, nice to see the creepy old dude join the rest of us. Of course, we knew the EU was screwed long before the Ukraine appeared on the horizon.

  56. Token

    There they were thinking all they needed was that stupid ‘RESET’ button stunt and every lil’ thing would be just Jim Dandy.

    The most amazing thing is that after all the deaths in the 20th century (i.e. living memory) they actually believed making a deal with a power hungry despot propped up by a wealth craving elite would not result in a different result to the other times…

  57. Abu Chowdah

    You reckon someone who thinks we’re in “end times”, would make a good leader?

    Do you have any links to her making end times statements? Thanks.

  58. Abu Chowdah

    Preferably something she stated unequivocally in the MSM rather than some attribution or supposition on a loony right or loony left website, please.

  59. thefrollickingmole

    Token

    These are the same people who in their heart of hearts think Communism just wasnt done right…
    Thinking nice things about brutal people comes with the mindset.

  60. rickw

    “They’d have about 15.7 seconds to enjoy it before being turned to ash themselves…

    Do you really believe Bronco Bama would launch under fire?”

    I’m pretty certain that Vlad doesn’t think he would.

  61. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Zafe the anti-semitic greenfilter:

    Can’t believe people here are endorsing Sarah Palin.

    You are an imbecile. People are merely noting that she has been right and the US left and that cretinous showpony Obama wrong, that she’s smarter than Obama, more competent than Obama, and had more public policy nous and experience at the time than Obama (and still does now given that dribbling dickhead’s abysmal performance).

    She’s a Dominionist Christian who believes we’re in End Times.

    Can you prove this bigoted statement?

    Anyone else here looking forward to being raptured into the sky ?

    I thought not. You just cannot resist being an anti Judeao-Christian bigot.

  62. Billy the Kidder

    Zaphod, you say “Christian” as if it is a bad thing. Apart from the leftist misrepresentations and hysteria about Christian believers, what do you really know about the faith?

    Sheesh, you can be a Communist, Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, a New Ager etc and no one bats and eyelid… but be a Christian and you’re immediately tarred as a dangerous person.

    You have no idea.

  63. John Comnenus

    Well two things are clear: firstly, Putin has a very clear and aggressive foreign policy and Obama has none and is therefore weak and indecisive; and secondly, Obama’s weakness and indecision will embolden every thug and tyrant to try it on over the remainder of Obama’s term. What a disaster for the world Obama has been and continues to be.

  64. stackja

    First Barbary War From Wikipedia

    Declaration of war and naval blockade
    In response, “Jefferson sent a small force to the area to protect American ships and citizens against potential aggression, but insisted that he was ‘unauthorized by the Constitution, without the sanction of Congress, to go beyond the line of defense.’” He told Congress: “I communicate [to you] all material information on this subject, that in the exercise of this important function confided by the Constitution to the Legislature exclusively their judgment may form itself on a knowledge and consideration of every circumstance of weight.”

    Peace treaty and legacy
    In agreeing to pay a ransom of $60,000 for the American prisoners, the Jefferson administration drew a distinction between paying tribute and paying ransom. At the time, some argued that buying sailors out of slavery was a fair exchange to end the war. William Eaton, however, remained bitter for the rest of his life about the treaty, feeling that his efforts had been squandered by the State Department diplomat Tobias Lear. Eaton and others felt that the capture of Derna should have been used as a bargaining chip to obtain the release of all American prisoners without having to pay ransom. Furthermore, Eaton believed the honor of the United States had been compromised when it abandoned Hamet Karamanli after promising to restore him as leader of Tripoli. Eaton’s complaints generally fell on deaf ears, especially as attention turned to the strained international relations which would ultimately lead to the withdrawal of the U.S. Navy from the area in 1807 and to the War of 1812

  65. Andrew

    Bob Brown must be wetting himself with happiness! His One World Order is about to come to fruition.

    What’s that Bob?

    Not what you meant…

    No, I think that would be pretty close to what he had in mind. Grubby old Marxist C-unit.

  66. Notafan

    Well I will be much happier if Russia becomes a driving force, they, at least can call an Islamic spade an Islamic spade.

  67. Tel

    I’m pretty disappointed with Putin on the whole referendum thing. If he really had the hairy chest and big swinging balls that they say, why was he so scardy cat on allowing observers into the polling places? Why not have the guts to do it right so people have nothing to complain about?

    I’d say he probably would have won anyhow, but this was an exceptionally gutless display.

    Also, the EU are not the slightest bit more democratic than Putin’s referendum. Just look at the Lisbon treaty and see how they handled that. In a nutshell, the age of Democracy is coming to an end.

  68. Vasily

    Steve,
    Please, Steve and Cat readers: Don’t take the Russian TV commentator seriously. Few here do! ;0)

  69. Tel

    Nostalgia for the USSR bread queue.

    Putin does not represent the USSR, and never will.

    If anything he is a more similar to Tzar Nicholas I who also attempted to invade the Crimea. However, Nicholas faced a united British, French and Islamic force and that just ain’t going to happen this time around. Also, the population demographic of the Crimea has changed considerably since the 19th Century, also in Russia’s favour.

  70. Vasily

    @ Token

    Soros would like Ukraine to join EU. That has been his plan all along, and has much to do with coup.
    Whether the Ukrainians would vote for such is another matter. Most moderate Ukrainians would not want to turn back on Russian links. Surveys show this.

  71. Token

    Also, the EU are not the slightest bit more democratic than Putin’s referendum. Just look at the Lisbon treaty and see how they handled that. In a nutshell, the age of Democracy is coming to an end.

    The people of Eastern Europe feel safer in the EU than under Russia. Why would that be?

  72. Token

    Most moderate Ukrainians would not want to turn back on Russian links. Surveys show this.

    There was no coup. What do you use to substantiate this opinion?

  73. boy on a bike

    Do you really believe Bronco Bama would launch under fire?

    He would if the teleprompter told him to.

  74. Token

    Or are you referring to the gunmen who seized the Crimean parliament and forced this invalid vote to enable naked Russian aggression?

  75. Vasily

    @ Tel

    Actually, Crimea has been in Russian hands since before Nicholas 1.
    Catherine the great annexed it after Russian defeat of Ottomans.
    Crimea has been Russian since longer than Australia has been settled by British.
    Think about that, Cats!

    But you are correct, Putin does not represent Soviet Union!
    Cold War has been over for 20 + years. Why do Cat readers not get this?’
    Most Russians have long since moved on – actually we had no choice.

  76. Token

    He would if the teleprompter told him to.

    He piked it during the Seal Team 6 raid & was more focused on finding someone to go down WHEN it failed (in really didn’t trust the US military for some reason…)

  77. Token

    Actually, Crimea has been in Russian hands since before Nicholas 1

    Russia signed a treaty to recognise it is tbe sovereign territory of another nation in the 1990s.

    Pity that nation respects or honours any treaty.

  78. Vasily

    @ Token

    Don’t be obtuse.

    What else do you call turning over elected President and his government via violent mob?

    What’s more – pay attention now – the coup was funded by external powers. Guess who?

    Now, the hypocrisy of the West is shown in that having backed an undemocratic, violent coup against a democratic government, they call an orderly referendum which expresses the will of the majority of the people of the autonomous republic of Crimea undemocratic and illegal!

    Please, remove the log from your own eye before you attempt to remove splinter from others!

  79. I really hope that the top military and congressmen in the US have a plan in case Obama decides to let the US get attacked without retaliation.
    And yes, I do mean what I’m implying. I wouldn’t trust Obama and his coterie as far as I could spit a dead rat.

  80. Vasily

    @ Token

    Australia recognised Indonesian hegemony over East Timor in 1975.

    Later your troops facilitated East Timorese independence.

    Circumstances change in international politics – the illegal coup changed circumstances in Ukraine.

  81. Vasily

    @ Winston

    Take a cold shower. Russia is not going to nuke US over sanctions, for goodness’ sake.
    We are used to suffering!

  82. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Hey, Steve, at least we now know exactly what Preshizzle (Paco™) O’Dumbugger instant response is teh second he detects a major international crisis.

    He goes on vacation.

  83. Anne

    Notafan
    #1228577, posted on March 17, 2014 at 7:27 pm
    Well I will be much happier if Russia becomes a driving force, they, at least can call an Islamic spade an Islamic spade.

    …a Sharia shovel even.

  84. Bons

    Well I will be much happier if Russia becomes a driving force, they, at least can call an Islamic spade an Islamic spade.
    Oops! Made the trains run on time.

  85. Bons

    Most Russians have long since moved on – actually we had no choice.

    Yep, and since when does a foreign invader have the authority to run a referendum. UN will fix it though – won’t they.

  86. Driftforge

    I’m pretty disappointed with Putin on the whole referendum thing. If he really had the hairy chest and big swinging balls that they say, why was he so scardy cat on allowing observers into the polling places? Why not have the guts to do it right so people have nothing to complain about?

    We are talking about the left here. There is always something to complain about. Might as well give them something simple and irrelevant rather than let them come up with something on their own.

  87. Vasily

    @ Bons

    You don’t understand the facts.

    The referendum was run by the government of the autonomous republic of Crimea.

  88. Driftforge

    Yep, and since when does a foreign invader have the authority to run a referendum. UN will fix it though – won’t they.

    Basically since the concept of a referendum was developed. You invade, you win, you do what the hell you want. Sometimes it comes back to bite you.

  89. Vasily

    @ Driftforge.

    No invasion to speak of.
    In any case, is anyone even in the West really arguing that the referendum doesn’t represent the will of the majority?

  90. Driftforge

    No invasion to speak of.

    True; the troops were already stationed there anyway.

    I am truly enjoying the late efforts of the left to try and construct some sort of narrative post the event that puts them back on some sort of secure footing at least in the eyes of their own team.

  91. Cold-Hands

    Obama has form in allowing USA sovereign territory to be attacked without retaliation. The attackers on the US Consulate in Benghazi are still out there. But I forget, a film maker whose video “instigated” the attack was arrested. So there. That showed ‘em!

  92. Tel

    Australia recognised Indonesian hegemony over East Timor in 1975.

    Later your troops facilitated East Timorese independence.

    We are a Democracy, it’s our prerogative to change our collective mind. You should try it some time.

    Unrelated, but if you want to sharpen your English skills and impress your neighbours, try using “Whitlamesque” in casual conversation.

    UN will fix it though – won’t they.

    Get a map and throw a dart at the Middle East, or Africa, or South America… wherever the dart lands, consider how well the UN fixed that.

  93. Vasily

    Thank you Driftforge.
    Local civilian militia also played their part in the great tradition of democracy!
    George Washington would be proud. :0)
    The illegal in Kiev, including neo-Nazis, is the illegitimate government.
    But I’m sure Russia will not intervene in that provided rights of ethnic Russians in Ukraine are respected.

  94. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Vasily – not many people here care very much and neither should we. Russia and Ukraine are insignificant trading partners on the other side of the planet, we do not have significant numbers of Russians or Ukrainians here and those we do have tend to assimilate well and become decent citizens (excepting the Russian transnational criminals on the Gold Coast). Both countries are massively corrupt at all levels and use alien legal, policy and governance structures. They are of passing interest at teh moment for the light they currently shed on the incompetence of the Obama administration. Otherwise, Ukraine is about as important to us as Chad, Russia as important as Kenya.

    Neither they, nor what is occurring there are of anything remotely as important or interesting as the upcoming Indonesian election, let alone seriously important matters like policy development in China. Neither is as important to us as rebuilding our relations with Fiji.

    I grant they are of interest to Europeans, but again that’s of only modest actual importance to us. Our trade with (for example) Germany is about on the level of our trade with New Zealand. it’s an issue for the Europeans to deal with, as it’s in their patch.

  95. Vasily

    @ Tel

    “We are a democracy, it is our prerogative to change our collective mind”

    My argument precisely.

    Bons must understand that Russia has not disregarded treaty in a cavalier manner, but only after provocation and renegging on agreements by NATO. He needs to read more widely.

    I would not be surprised if there is a file on Whitlam in the SVR archives, inherited from the KGB.
    But they will sit on it in case it proves useful. He is still alive, yes?

  96. Tel

    He would if the teleprompter told him to.

    Suddenly a lot of Russian and Chinese hackers start searching for service manuals on teleprompters. You don’t know the model number by chance?

  97. Vasily

    @ MK50

    Then your government should be more politic in its public comments on the matter and not be afraid to take an independent line.

    Australia did not have trade with Afghanistan, yet you still sent troops there.

    By the way, I will just point out Russia and Australia are Pacific Rim neighbours. You might even want to cultivate defence agreements with Russia to balance the “China Syndrome”. I don’t think US can afford its security umbrella in the south Pacific indefinetely.

  98. Tel

    I would not be surprised if there is a file on Whitlam in the SVR archives, inherited from the KGB.

    He probably put it there, you know that “Gough” means “Red”.

  99. john constantine

    food. the grain from the black sea is a big thing for near term food security in the middle east and poor europe.

    food riots in dodgy brothers countries are not good things. lot of money has gone into the unbelievably fertile grain growing soils of the region.[modern tech and inputs overwhelmed 18th century infrastructure] all the western ‘punt on food’ money that went into these farms is now on fire. timing is everything in hitting the opportunity windows to grow big crops. it would take a lot of guts to put a lot of real money into the ground to set a grain crop up–when god knows who will get to own it when it is ready for harvest. watch the volatility in grain markets near term. [hedge fund bastards make the big bucks through volatility.] what happens when the food riots kick in again.how much golf can ‘president bitch’ go play?.

  100. Boambee John

    “Obama – the worst president ever – has lost the Cold War.

    After Reagan won it.”

    It’s a Democratic Party practice. They de-funded aid to SVN when the South was at least holding its own, Obama withdrew totally from Iraq after Bush’s “surge” had defeated the insurgency, and is doing the same in Afghanistan.

    Now the ultimate “defeat from the jaws of victory”, to lose the Cold War 25 years after it was one.

    The left never, ever, give up their aim of defeating Western civilisation.

  101. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Vasily: oh my.

    Then your government should be more politic in its public comments on the matter and not be afraid to take an independent line.

    Why? We have no strategic interests at stake. The Euro’s do. So we’ve said to them ‘whatever’.

    Australia did not have trade with Afghanistan, yet you still sent troops there.

    And Iraq – because we did have strategic interests in both places. The main one was rinforcing our strategically critical relationship with teh globally dominant maritime power. 99.9% of our trade by mass and something like 90% by value go by sea.

    By the way, I will just point out Russia and Australia are Pacific Rim neighbours.

    So what?

    You might even want to cultivate defence agreements with Russia to balance the “China Syndrome”.

    Why? Russia is of no startegic interest or value to us and has to deter/balance China anyway due to their territorial claims on the Maritimes, and Trans-Baikal.

    I don’t think US can afford its security umbrella in the south Pacific indefinetely.

    Possibly true in teh long term (but it’s the very last strategic structure they can afford to let decay as their economy depends more in transPac trade than on transAtlan trade). This is precisely why we have taken such enormous pains to preserve the Five Power Defence Arrangement (tottering near collapse in 2000) and are quietly developing much better military relations with Japan and India.

    Russia is strategically irrelevant to us.

  102. Warwick Beattie

    Oh no! Sarah Palin believes in Jesus! (So farken what?) Is she wrong, or right? Right I would say.
    And, I might add, Obama seems to get the credit for being a Christian, but is excused actually believing anything that Christianity entails. Have a go at Mrs Palin for her beliefs, but prepare to have a crack at that moron Obama as well. He is shameful. Clearly the worst President ever. Hopeless.

  103. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    One final note, Vasily.

    Nothing changes.

    In a policy statement at Mosman NSW in December 1935 the Minister for Defence (The Hon. Archdale Parkhill, MP) noted the necessity belonging to a collective security arrangement which provided three national security safeguards. These were the League of Nations (Nations maintained armed forces under Article 8 of the League of Nations Charter), Imperial cooperation in defence and Australia’s own defence policy. While the mention of the League was piety, the advantages of Imperial collective security were itemised and extended to economic as well as military arguments. The discussion of Australia’s own defence policy focused on interests to safeguard:

    (i) The external right of freedom of movement of Australian seaborne trade.

    (ii) The internal rights of maintenance of the integrity of Australian Territory, and the continuance of the activities of our national life.

    (PARKHILL, The Hon A., Statement of the Government’s Policy Regarding the Defence of Australia, Delivered at Mosman, N.S.W., by the Minister for Defence, 2 December 1935, CGP, Canberra 1935, p.8.)

    Russia possess the strategic relevance to us now as it had in 1935.

    Nil.

  104. I’m pretty certain that Vlad doesn’t think he would.

    Obama just has to convince Putin that he might ask under the circumstances “wot dus did button doo??”.

  105. Russia possess the strategic relevance to us now as it had in 1935.

    Nil.

    I.e. fuck the Ukranians. Is that a moral position??

  106. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Is that a moral position??

    Does it have to be?

  107. LABCR-TV

    Excellent, well informed comments Vasily. I agree with everything you say.

    And I will add this:

    Washington has defaulted on all of its key agreements made with USSR/Russia during the last 30 years. Gorbachev was promised that Eastern Europe would not be taken into NATO. Country by country, it became part of NATO, and Yugoslavia was dismantled despite Russia’s objections. The US acted as the winner of the Cold War and guided its policies by the famous principle of “Vae victis!” Woe to the vanquished!

    http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2014/3/10/from-now-on-no-compromises-are-possible-for-russia.html

  108. LABCR-TV

    BTW, no one discussing this referendum:

    While the Crimean referendum tops world media headlines, an attempt at secession is going on in Veneto, Italy, with its major city Venice. But as it is being virtually ignored by media, people in Europe are hardly aware of what’s happening next door.

    “Do you mean the independence of Crimea?” says a Berlin resident when RT’s Irina Galushko asks him of what he thinks of the current referendum in Veneto, Italy, where people are voting on whether to break away from Rome.

    “No, I haven’t heard of it” was the most common answer Galushko received.
    http://rt.com/news/veneto-referendum-unnoticed-eu-318/

  109. MT Isa Miner

    Tel

    #1228709, posted on March 17, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    He would if the teleprompter told him to.

    Suddenly a lot of Russian and Chinese hackers start searching for service manuals on teleprompters. You don’t know the model number by chance?

    Given the amount of hacking that’s supposed to be coming out of Russian and china, I reckon they HAVE the number. In fact, maybe that IS Obama’s foreign policy problem. COuld explain why he’s fucking over American interests all the time.

  110. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    TBW:

    Russia possess the strategic relevance to us now as it had in 1935.

    Nil.

    I.e. fuck the Ukranians. Is that a moral position??

    I find this comment odd and illogical. How does laying out the argument that Russia and Ukraine are outside Australia’s strategic sphere of relevance translate to ‘f*ck the Ukrainians’?

    A strategic view is not a moral one, not vice-versa.

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