Agree, disagree, or let’s discuss

Hard work and in-depth analysis is not the Obama long suit. In fact, shallow, stupid, superficial and socialist seems more to the point. I mean, why go through all of those decision papers and do the hard yards when a snap decision off the top of the head will do just as well. From an article with the interesting title, How Barack Obama gets things done:

In early 2012, The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza obtained hundreds of pages of White House memos that offered an intimate look into the inner-workings of Obama’s team. Among the story’s nuggets: the president prefers to have “decision” memos delivered to him with three checkboxes at the bottom that read: “agree”, “disagree”, or “let’s discuss.”

But so long as he is keeping his eye on the ball, plugged in and keeping up with events, you can sleep well at night knowing your interests are in the best of hands. From the same article:

“One cardinal rule of the road is, we don’t watch CNN, the news or MSNBC. We don’t watch any talking heads or any politics. We watch SportsCenter and argue about that,” Obama told The New York Times.

Feel better now? But who are the bigger morons, Obama or the people who voted for him twice?

And a bit more insight from Bret Stephens who has looked at this same article and sub-titles his own, We need a president who rarely thinks and never speaks about how he looks in jeans. OK, fine, we may have just that person beginning in January 2017 at the soonest.

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70 Responses to Agree, disagree, or let’s discuss

  1. Abu Chowdah

    1. Get a head start on your day the night before.

    “In a funny way,” writes Michael Lewis, “the president’s day actually starts the night before. When he awakens at seven, he already has a jump on things.”

    After his family retires to bed, Obama often stays up working on odds and ends left over from the day. Chief among his nightly responsibilities is leafing through the binder of documents that his staff has asked him to review.

    For example, after he won the Nobel Peace Prize, his staff submitted several acceptance speeches that Obama deemed unusable. Instead of cramming the speechwriting process into tiny windows throughout the next day, the president utilized his night to get a head start. First, he copied the staff-written speech by hand to “organize his thoughts” and then he used the exercise to write his own speech, an approach would have been impossible during his traditional day.

    How Obama gets things done. Awesome. So the first example is how he wrote an acceptance speech for a prize he got for not actually doing anything.

  2. Ubique

    Who are the bigger morons, Obama or the people who voted for him twice?

    Get used to it. The morons have exceeded the 50% level. From now on the US only elects democrat Presidents. Michelle Obama would probably be elected next if she throws her hat in the ring.

    The US is in a debt-and-moron-fuelled death-spiral.

    If Putin decides to invade and resume Alaska, I doubt whether Obama would do anything more than threaten to take Putin off the White House Christmas card list.

  3. Dan

    Secondly, unable to actually think of anything for a speaking engagement, he gets other people to submit speeches which he then cut&paste from.

    Freaking awesome…

    These are loaded onto a teleprompter, which he ultimately stumbles through. Maybe he should have used his late nights like Clinton. Pizza and blowjobs

  4. Yobbo

    Who are the bigger morons, Obama or the people who voted for him twice?

    The other option is to vote for Christian fundamentalists who believe rape is God’s will.

    Who are the bigger morons? Obama or the republicans who won’t get rid of the crazy fuckers who keep costing them elections?

  5. Blogstrop

    Thanks for explaining everything in terms of your hatred for republicans, Yobbo, and where the hell did you get that stuff about rape? Sounds more Islamic, actually.

  6. dover_beach

    The other option is to vote for Christian fundamentalists who believe rape is God’s will.

    Romney said that? McCain said that? Heavens.

  7. Token

    …the president utilized his night to get a head start. First, he copied the staff-written speech by hand to “organize his thoughts” and then he used the exercise to write his own speech, an approach would have been impossible during his traditional day

    He really does believe he is the only competent person in every room. It is the same reasoning which lead him to say he would re-code the Obamacare website if he could.

    Getting up and preparing a speech before your staff and designated experts deliver all the facts required to make an informed decision will not overcome the fact this leads to poor decisions.

  8. Alfonso

    More Obamas are the US’s demographic destiny.
    Any ‘push comes to shove’ US Aust defence pact is vastly weakened by these demographic changes.
    Aust must nuc up.

  9. Token
    The other option is to vote for Christian fundamentalists who believe rape is God’s will.

    Romney said that? McCain said that? Heavens.

    Yobbo jumped the shark with that dopey comment. Pity, he has a good mind, but his “history” with religion is making him incoherent.

    Using his logic the Democratic Party should be judged entirely by the insider trading dealings of Nancy Pelosi and the ethics of Charles Wrangel.

  10. Andrew of Ranwick

    The other option is to vote for Christian fundamentalists who believe rape is God’s will.

    Yobbo get your facts straight – it was about the child from the rape – a totally different connotation.
    .
    Indiana candidate for the US Senate Richard Mourdock, who has been endorsed by Mitt Romney, has caused a stir by calling children conceived of rape ‘gifts of God.’:
    .
    Mourdock’s position appears to reflect a theology of predestination, that events in this world are preordained as God’s will. As he later explained, God does not will sin or rape, which is a human choice. But he does will that life come into existence, so that a conception occurs in rape is divine will even if the rapist’s action is not.
    .
    Mourdock’s position is also taken by some Muslim religious scholars who interpret Islamic law or sharia:

    I believe that the value of life is the same whether this embryo is the result of fornication with relatives or non-relatives or valid marriage. In Sharia life has the same value in all cases.
    ….Sheikh M. A. Al-Salami, Third Symposium on Medical Jurisprudence

  11. Token

    Get used to it. The morons have exceeded the 50% level. From now on the US only elects democrat Presidents. Michelle Obama would probably be elected next if she throws her hat in the ring.

    We all said the same thing about Tasmania. South Australia unfortunately needs another 4 years to learn that lesson. The US is probably 2 more destructive D’rat terms away from swinging like the southern state.

  12. Token

    Yobbo get your facts straight – it was about the child from the rape – a totally different connotation.

    Unfortunately, Yobbo is no longer able to participate in dialogs due to his handicap when it comes to freely created social groups, so he is left to troll threads like Steve from Brisbane.

  13. james

    Yobbo according to most of the analysis it was the conservative base (particularly white working-class males) not coming out to vote that cost the GOP the last presidential election.

    The independents and moderates came out in above average numbers, there just weren’t enough of them.

    Your argument sounds a lot like the weak willed types here in Aussie that were convinced that Malcolm T was the messiah that would get all the lefties on the Liberal party train.

    Never. Happen.

  14. Paul

    I fail to see the problem with not getting news from paid liars like CNN and MSNBC.

  15. Rabz

    Aust must nuc up.

    I’d agree with that sentiment if there was no chance of labor ever being re-elected.

    If we had nukes and they got elected, they would announce long and loud that there would be no chance of the nukes being used.

    labor and the greenfilth hate this country (just as bronco bama hates the US) and they want to see it destroyed.

  16. handjive

    The Onion has a fine piece:

    Obama Spends Afternoon In Garage Restoring Classic Drone

    At the end of each day, all I’m thinking about is getting in this garage, sliding onto my mechanic’s dolly, and getting to work bringing this baby back to deployment condition,” explained the 44th president of the United States after popping the cap off of a fresh Rolling Rock.

    Obama boasted that the finished work would harken back to the “glory days” of drones, when he says American ingenuity dominated the skies over the Balkans.

    “Of course some of these mods aren’t exactly regulation,” the sitting president said with a wink, referring to the set of AGM 114-Hellfire missiles his friend, a retired Air Force weapons specialist he would only identify as “Spud,” helped him install last fall.
    “I also stripped off her Synthetic Aperture Radar to compensate for the added weight, which just means you have to be a little more careful when the weather’s bad.”

    “Michelle sometimes tells me I’m spending too much time and money on this thing,” Obama said.

  17. DaveR

    Hard work and in-depth analysis is not the Obama long suit. In fact, shallow, stupid, superficial and socialist seems more to the point.

    Sound familiar?

    The planning (lack of) behind the Pink Batts scheme is only the beginning of the revelations from the Rudd-Gillard government. As more of the inner workings of the Rudd-Gillard government come to light, “shallow, superficial, stupid and socialist” will strangely become an appropriate description.

  18. Luke

    The USA will – continuing on from 2012 – get the social media president it deserves. Who needs workable policy when you can send out a tweet displaying how morally superior you are. Let’s hope that warm fuzzy feeling keeps Americans going during the coming collapse of their country.

  19. .

    If we don’t get nukes then we need a strong, rapidly deployable, capable mix of on alert tactical and strategic firepower, along with a layered defence system including a bluewater (AEGIS), airborne and land based NMD.

  20. Nanuestalker

    The other option is to vote for Christian fundamentalists who believe rape is God’s will.

    This from a middle-aged man in Thailand?!?! Fuck me!

  21. .

    Mourdock’s position appears to reflect a theology of predestination

    You wanna vote for that or Barack “The CIA invented AIDS” Obama?

    I’d vote for Ron Paul!

  22. C.L.

    The other option is to vote for Christian fundamentalists who believe rape is God’s will.

    LOL.

    The only prominent rapist in the White House I can think of was Bill Clinton – routinely praised by some ‘libertarians.’

  23. .

    Who are the bigger morons? Obama or the republicans who won’t get rid of the crazy fuckers who keep costing them elections?

    Correct. All Akin and Murdock had to do was keep their big gobs shut. At worst they could have made a PR spun motherhood statement.

  24. Vasily

    I agree with commenters here who say Australia needs nuclear weapons. If the US decline continues or if isolationist stance returns to them you will need to provide your own security umbrella and only nuclear weapons can do that. You will be in a very precarious position otherwise – you will need to arm every man and some women and be prepared for long guerilla warfare. Is your government thinking about these options?

  25. .

    Russia is an authoritarian state and a threat to world peace.

  26. Vasily

    Greetings LDP guy,
    Russia is a democracy and a peace loving nation. :0)
    Anyway, I thought this thread was about the great one, Obama? ;0)
    I only mentioned nukes because other had; it’s not like we are obsessed with them. :0(

  27. .

    Russia is a democracy and a peace loving nation

    Incorrect.

  28. johanna

    While I agree that Obama is incompetent, lazy and not very bright, the criticism of the “agree/disagree/let’s discuss” options on his briefings is off the mark. It is the same or similar to what is used by Premiers and Prime Ministers here, and I daresay by leaders in other countries as well.

    They are very busy people, and it is an easy shorthand for dealing with the mountains of paper they have to wade through.

  29. Vasily

    Well, it’s a long time since we invaded a foreign sovereign nation, LDP guy.
    Unlike, say, Australia!

  30. .

    Vasily
    #1230885, posted on March 19, 2014 at 11:59 am
    Well, it’s a long time since we invaded a foreign sovereign nation, LDP guy.
    Unlike, say, Australia!

    Georgia
    Chechnya
    Ukraine

    Russia believes it ought to continually meddle in their affairs if not run an empire. We were invited into East Timor, fuckwit.

    Fail.

  31. Vasily

    Come to think of it, given Australia’s inclination to highly questionable foreign military expeditions which impinge upon the sovereignty of other nations displayed in recent years, maybe you shouldn’t have nuclear weapons – they are only to be used as a defensive deterrent by peace loving nations. Perhaps the peace loving peoples of the world we can’t trust you with them. Your PM Howard refused to rule out preemptive military strikes against others. Perhaps, if Australia went down that road, Russia would have to instigate sanctions against you at the UN Security Council.

  32. .

    Your PM Howard refused to rule out preemptive military strikes against others.

    Correct.

    Nations like Russia and China are threats to liberty and world peace.

  33. Vasily

    Iraq.
    Afghanistan.

    And we have been invited into Crimea, LDP guy (unlike you, I won’t resort to profanity).

  34. Vasily

    We learned our lesson in Afghanistan (Georgia and Chechnya were defensive actions, not expeditions resulting in occupation). Unlike you in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan…don’t you know the saying “you cannot win a land war in Asia”? Your foreign policy in recent decades has been an illustration of that truth. Pity the people of Iraq and Afghanistan who have suffered as a consequence.

  35. .

    So Australia shouldn’t fight al Qaida after they attacked our main ally and you were invited into the Crimea after you already invaded it?

    Pathetic. Keep it up, lowly paid propaganda troll.

  36. Vasily

    As a result of your expeditions, you have moral obligation to resettle refugees uprooted because of your stupidity in geo-politics, yet you turn them away. You do not have moral high ground, let me assure you, LDP guy.

  37. .

    Vasily
    #1230936, posted on March 19, 2014 at 12:31 pm
    We learned our lesson in Afghanistan

    No, you didn’t.

    “you cannot win a land war in Asia”?

    We won. We also won the land war against Japan.

    You did not.

  38. .

    As a result of your expeditions, you have moral obligation to resettle refugees

    Australia does resettle refugees at a very high rate, as well as having high immigration rates anyway. You are conflating welfare fraud and country shoppers with actual refugees.

    How about compensating dead Georgians? Invading another country and annexing their land is defensive?

    You chronic bullshit artist.

  39. Vasily

    You won. Right. Iraq and Afghanistan are both now failed states. Objective not achieved!
    And please, don’t tell me, a Russian, that we didn’t learn a lesson in Afghanistan. You know nothing.

  40. Vasily

    We invaded Crimea? You don’t even know basic facts, LDP guy.

  41. Vasily

    Lowly paid? :0) You know nothing about me…nothing! You are funny guy.

  42. Vasily

    You make a lot of assertions, LDP guy, but arguments are thin on the ground, like Australian Defence Force? ;0)

  43. Vasily

    You beat Japan. Yes, by nuking innocent civilians!
    This is why I think maybe we can’t trust you after all with nuclear weapon.

  44. .

    Iraq and Afghanistan are both now failed states.

    No.

    We invaded Crimea?

    Yes. You invaded Ukrainian military bases.

    Lowly paid? :0) You know nothing about me

    Your currency has collapsed. Your median wages are pathetic. Unless you are admitting to being a highly paid spiv from the Ru. embassy.

    thin on the ground, like Australian Defence Force? ;0)

    US B-1Bs routinely fly into Darwin and Tindal. Eat shit, commie.

  45. .

    Vasily
    #1230968, posted on March 19, 2014 at 12:47 pm
    You beat Japan. Yes, by nuking innocent civilians!
    This is why I think maybe we can’t trust you after all with nuclear weapon.

    Apart from the above ahistoric crap (the entire Japanese population was armed and the Army nearly mutinied when the Emperor surrendered after Nagasaki), when are you going to apologise for the Holodomor and outrages in Armenia etc?

  46. Tintarella di Luna

    I see the Thassilly infection is raging

  47. Vasily

    I can apologise for Holodomyr now. Although I will also point out that more Russians than Ukrainians suffered under Stalin. In that we are joined in our memories of suffering. As for Armenia, I think you have the wrong empire; many Armenians actually escaped into Russia at that time. Now, I take it you support your Prime Minister’s apology to Aborigines for attempted genocide by breeding out their blood, if not just shooting them in the “Outback”?

    Btw, LDP guy, I am not Communist. They are rather thin on the ground in Russia these days. Seventy years of Communist rule does that to you.

  48. Vasily

    @ Tintarella

    I take your point; I am posting too much, yes? (What is Thassily?)

  49. .

    Now, I take it you support your Prime Minister’s apology to Aborigines for attempted genocide by breeding out their blood, if not just shooting them in the “Outback”?

    An outright lie.

    The National Bolshevist Party’s propagandist is busy today.

  50. Vasily

    Btw, LDP guy, Russian wages are rising at above inflation levels and catching up to Western rates. Our government recently increased benefits to retired soldiers at the same time as USA was decreasing them. Our stock market is rising as is our national wealth and our national debt as to GDP is about a tenth of USA’s. We are progressing in our economy and only desire peace and security to enjoy its benefits. Soon lowly paid Americans will want to emigrate here, I am not kidding! I live in Clean Ponds area of Moscow with many expatriates from Europe and America. It is very nice.

  51. .

    Vasily
    #1231022, posted on March 19, 2014 at 1:10 pm
    Btw, LDP guy, Russian wages are rising at above inflation levels and catching up to Western rates.

    They will never catch up.

    Our government recently increased benefits to retired soldiers at the same time as USA was decreasing them.

    Unsustainable.

    Our stock market is rising as is our national wealth and our national debt as to GDP is about a tenth of USA’s.

    Due to inflation, and you cannot raise any bond debt because you have a junk credit rating.

    Soon lowly paid Americans will want to emigrate here, I am not kidding!

    You’re fucking delusional. You deserve the very best black market pharmaceuticals a Russian can buy.

  52. Vasily

    Ah, LDP guy, I would like to invite you to Moscow to see the truth for yourself but I’m afraid you would consternate my friends, who are very civilised, with your foul mouth. Perhaps Senator Leyonheljm could come in your place?

  53. Yobbo

    Mourdock’s position is also taken by some Muslim religious scholars who interpret Islamic law or sharia:

    Wow, that makes me feel much better.

    Thanks for explaining everything in terms of your hatred for republicans, Yobbo

    I don’t hate republicans. I am just breaking the news to the god botherers that it’s actually them who keep electing Obama. Nobody under 40 wants to vote for religious law. So their only option is to vote democrat.

    I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in “A,” “B,” “C” and “D.” Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?
    And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of “conservatism.”

    ~ Barry Goldwater.

  54. Yobbo

    Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.

    ~ Goldwater again.

  55. JC

    Vasily

    I want to see your visa revoked.

    Yobbo

    Stop over egging it. FFS, there was virtually no menton of god etc in the last election.

  56. Yobbo

    FFS, there was virtually no menton of god etc in the last election.

    On the contrary, there were numerous outbursts like the “Rape is god’s will” thing that were a very big deal during the last election campaign.

    The fact is that there are a lot of republicans who are nutters and can’t keep their mouths shut about their weird religious beliefs, even during elections. And this is stopping many people who should rightly be republican voters (e.g. Libertarians, Goldwater republicans, South Park republicans, whatever you want to call them) from turning out to vote for the GOP.

    The republicans will never win another election until they get rid of the religious crazies.

  57. Toiling Mass

    Mourdock’s position appears to reflect a theology of predestination

    Surely he was saying that all human life was intrinsically sacred, and not less valuable because the circumstances of conception were horrible. Not sure where the predestination thing came from.

  58. Oh come on

    Vasily: ok, Russia keeps Crimea but gives Ukraine back the nuclear weapons it received as a result of the 1994 Treaty. Deal?

  59. Yobbo

    He was actually saying that all abortion should be illegal, even in cases of rape, because god.

  60. Oh come on

    Vasily is impressed by some newly built trinkets which must be novel after the dour Soviet era, and conflates these with progress.

  61. Yobbo

    But that’s not how the average heard it in the media cycle.

  62. Oh come on

    That’s not right, Yobbo. Two idiots (who should have known better considering the well-known MO of the Dems) each made stupidly-worded statements about rape and abortion which the Democrat machine and their media allies repeated, reported and distorted endlessly. So it seemed like there were ‘numerous outbursts’.

    There were two. By inconsequential GOP figures.

    The Dems are very good at getting elected, you have to give them that. Evil? Oh you bet.

  63. John of Perth

    Vasily, most commentators have not been to Russia (unlike myself) to understand the massive wealth creation and improvements that have occurred in the last 10 years especially to those that are the more vulnerable in society. I feel they are stuck with an impression of the bad nineties, which the media still gives them by enlarge due to their anti Russian nature (BBC being the most obvious). Yes inequality and poverty is still rampant, but the lifting of the lowest class is rarely mentioned just Russian oligarchs in the media, so I ask that you cut them some slack due to the lack of level coverage.

    The fact some commentators think this prosperity is short term is very erroneous because they think its all about energy prices than the structural changes that are never mentioned in both improved governance, infrastructure, innovation, modernisation of industry and moral transformation that is occurring to benefit Russians since the 90′s. This has been nothing short of a minor miracle only a strong leadership could achieve given the inherent problems of the USSR, compared to America which has the opposite occurring.

  64. .

    Vasily
    #1231048, posted on March 19, 2014 at 1:18 pm
    Ah, LDP guy, I would like to invite you to Moscow to see the truth for yourself but I’m afraid you would consternate my friends, who are very civilised, with your foul mouth. Perhaps Senator Leyonheljm could come in your place?

    I’ll be sure to bring some black friends to Russia. I’m sure they won’t be on the end of race based violence either…

  65. .

    The fact some commentators think this prosperity is short term is very erroneous because they think its all about energy prices

    It is.

    This has been nothing short of a minor miracle only a strong leadership could achieve

    Sickening kowtowing to authoritarianism. Businesses don’t need to be led by the government, FFS.

  66. .

    “Jerry Falwell can kiss my ass”

    Yobbo is right, perception is what matters in elections, the only time to mention God in your campaign is when you are thanking all of your donors and you tongue your wife on camera.

    There were two. By inconsequential GOP figures.

    Which cost them dearly. Of course, the right had the birther idiots, rather than anyone pointing out Obama’s bizarre “church” replete with tin foil hat conspiracies.

  67. Zaphod

    Of course, the right had the birther idiots

    And the majority of Republicans are creationists.
    (cliché alert) Only in America.

  68. Abu Chowdah

    Yobbo is right, perception is what matters in elections, the only time to mention God in your campaign is when you are thanking all of your donors and you tongue your wife on camera.

    Yep. Yobbo is right.

  69. .

    Zaphod
    #1231549, posted on March 19, 2014 at 6:53 pm
    Of course, the right had the birther idiots

    And the majority of Republicans are creationists.
    (cliché alert) Only in America.

    Don’t worry Zaph. The left has anti semites, anti vaxxers and those who propose to literally murder the rich – such as their heroes like Sean Penn or George Soros.

  70. Yobbo

    The difference is that guys like Sean Penn are not elected Senators or state reps. Just big-mouthed celebrities.

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