Chris Berg on repealing 18c

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31 Responses to Chris Berg on repealing 18c

  1. Louis Hissink

    Paraphrasing

    People have a right to be bigots. The Abbott government amend the racial discrimination act which makes it unlawful to publicly insult or vilify a group of people.

    So the talking head states.

    So what’s the problem?

    Stating a group of people in central Australia are cannibals and one should not travel to their land is unlawful because it might upset the cannibals?

    FFS, what wankers.

  2. Grumbles

    Excellent speech, glad you brought up the point about adultery, there are many such examples of dishonorable conduct which are not illegal but society frowns upon anyway. Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

  3. Anne

    Will I finally be able to read the censored Bolt article… and judge for myself.

  4. CatAttack

    I love the notion that the Left who dominate Twitter which is a cesspool of insult, invective and vilification are concerned about removing restraints on freedom of speech. Irony alert.

  5. Anne

    Yes, I agree CatAttack. It would be nice to know what Tony Windsor thinks of today’s repeal.

  6. Perth Trader

    Brandis was stupid for saying ‘..people have a right to be bigots’. They just don’t. How does it help a country or society Mr Brandis? Every society needs boundries and until a person is insulted or humiliated privately or publicly they’ll never know how that hurts. If a person is given the right to insult, humiliate or denigrate another , even in private , the offended has the right to rectify . How the offended rectifies this should be debated , not , what is a offence .

  7. Will I finally be able to read the censored Bolt article… and judge for myself.

    Yes, ducks. It’s under all the censorship on the site Gab pointed out for you. It’s still there, alive and well.

  8. Infidel Tiger

    Brandis was stupid for saying ‘..people have a right to be bigots’. They just don’t.

    Yes they do. We are all bigoted and there’s nowt wrong with that.

  9. Gab

    Brandis was stupid for saying ‘..people have a right to be bigots’.

    It was a comment about how even speech we don’t like is still free to be spoken.

    It wasn’t an instruction.

  10. Percy

    Brandis was stupid for saying ‘..people have a right to be bigots’. They just don’t

    Of course they do. They also have the responsibility to accept the repercussions for their bigoted behaviour, whether that’s a good tongue lashing or a smack in the mouth. Don’t confuse a right to be a bigot with an obligation to be one.

  11. Perth Trader

    As I stated..’How does this help a society’?..to be free to be a bigot? And Percy.’.If a person is given the right to insult, humiliate or denigrate another , even in private , the offended has the right to rectify . How the offended rectifies this should be debated , not , what is a offence ‘.

  12. Percy

    not , what is a offence

    The problem PT, is that ‘what is an offence’ is entirely subjective. It is almost impossible to quantify. One person may find something offensive that another may not. We cannot have such vague laws that prohibit somebody from saying something simply because there could be somebody else that is offended by it. Almost any impassioned speech regarding politics or religion will offend somebody. Your answer is to ban all speech in these areas then debate the punishment for breaking those laws?

  13. Infidel Tiger

    What in hell is wrong with being intolerant of other people’s beliefs?

  14. Abu Chowdah

    Perth Trader, if you believe Brandis is wrong then you believe no one has a right to express a view indicating they don’t like or agree with any thing you value or subscribe to.

    That’s pretty fucked up. Frankly, I don’t like or agree with your stated position. I guess I must be a bigot.

  15. Abu Chowdah

    Note that the people who carried offensive signage about Tony Abbott at the March in March are bigots. Look up definitions of bigotry.

    As Stephen Fry said, people often say they are offended by this or that, “well; so fucking what?”

  16. Abu Chowdah

    What in hell is wrong with being intolerant of other people’s beliefs?

    Indeed, and note that tolerance does not appear to be reciprocated by the leftwing fuckwits who preach it.

  17. JC

    Perth Trader, if you believe Brandis is wrong then you believe no one has a right to express a view indicating they don’t like or agree with any thing you value or subscribe to.

    Look I think Brandis should have used a better choice of words. He wasn’t talking to us here.

  18. Abu Chowdah

    Bigot was the wrong word to use, I agree.

    He was naive to use that term instead of focussing on the issue of free expression and the power of that expression in an open society to curb idiot views.

  19. Abu Chowdah

    It all depends on how narrowly you define bigotry. Racism is bigotry but, technically, it’s also bigotry to say “I don’t like and completely disagree with Islam/Catholicism/Jidaism as an ideology.”

  20. Perth Trader

    JC..ty. I guess your right. This is not a LEFT vs RIGHT debate . In a democracy all views are printed or voiced but decency should be at the forefront.

  21. Abu Chowdah

    Hansard, Monday:

    SENATOR (George) Brandis: People do have a right to be bigots, you know. In a free country …

    Senator (Penny) Wong: Yes, George, you go out there and defend the right to be bigoted.

    Brandis: … Senator Wong, a lot of the things I have heard you say in this chamber over the years are, to my way of thinking, extraordinarily bigoted … but I would defend your right to say … (them) … that is what freedom of speech means.

    Cut & Paste

  22. Grumbles

    You have a right to commit adultery
    You have a right to lie and deceive others
    You have a right to live financially beyond your means, take financial advantage of others and then file for bankruptcy

    I could go on, if you don’t get the point

  23. Grumbles

    Plenty of people hurt and emotionally distressed by these as well

  24. nerblnob

    In a democracy all views are printed or voiced but decency should be at the forefront.

    Of course. Did you notice society becoming any more decent since 18c was brought in? All it was was a stick for some people to beat others with.

  25. Fisky

    The Liberals need a game changer here. They must focus like a laser on the toxicity of Leftist views and force the Left to explain why their views should remain legal.

  26. Rabz

    But, but, but – Big Bigotty Bigots!

    :x

  27. Rabz

    Sorry, peoples – back in serious mode.

    So the State will no longer have the ability to harass and sanction people for causing ‘offence’ to other people(s).

    If it wasn’t for barking mad leftist drongos, the State would never have been granted that utterly unjustifiable and absurd power in the first place.

    So lap it up, you big, bigotty bigots!

    :)

  28. bystander

    Abu Chowdah
    #1239182, posted on March 26, 2014 at 12:43 am

    That’s pretty fucked up. Frankly, I don’t like or agree with your stated position. I guess I must be a bigot.

    Or, more likely, Perth Trader is a bigot for holding his view. But, like the A-G, I allow him the right to so be.

  29. James

    Bigots are in the eyes of the beholder.

    In a robust argument, each side sees the other as bigot.

  30. Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me whips and chains excite me.
    FIFY, Grumbles.

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