There is nothing like a Dame

The reintroduction of the Knight of the Order of Australia (AK) and Dame of the Order of Australia (AD) is a political masterstroke.

Tony Abbott should be applauded for his foresight and brilliance. In one sortie he has demoted hundreds of pretentious Australians.

The 457 recipients of the Companion of the Order of Australia – which was until yesterday the number 1 honour (excluding bravery awards such as the VC, CV and SC) – have been demoted at a stroke to second class.

Many of the recipients are narcissists who will not be satisfied with a second class honour.

This is in contrast to the decision by NZ Prime Minister John Key in 2009 when he restored knighthoods when 85 recipients of the Order of New Zealand were offered the opportunity to upgraded.

Think of some of these recipients of the AC who now possess a second-class honour: Stephen Bracks, Richard Butler, Ian Chubb, Gareth Evans, Joan Kirner, Malcolm Fraser, Ronald Wilson, Douglas McClelland, Nicole Kidman and Lois O’Donoghue.

By creating the new honour, the Prime Minister has dishonoured some others.

In a year or two, he should create a new top level, the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Australia.

Which reminds me of the Yes Minister episode discussing honours: CMG (Call me God), KCMG (Kindly Call me God), GCMG (God calls me God).

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169 Responses to There is nothing like a Dame

  1. Gab

    Why the heck did Bryce get knighted? Because she was the first female GG. No other reason.

  2. hughie

    The reaction among the left has been amazing. Only 12 people will get this award between now and the election – meaning almost no one – and yet they have gone mental. Why? Because this is the first bit of creative traditional, conservative policymaking for decades by a Liberal government.

    How’s those symbolic culture wars working out for you ALP? Not looking so inevitable now is it? Losers.

    Heh heh.

  3. Mike of Marion

    She has shown that a republican supporter can be bought!!!!

  4. hughie

    Great way to wedge the son-in-law… he’s left the fight to former ARM staffer Tony Burke it seems.

  5. Sir Samuel J

    The reaction among the left has been amazing

    Yes, but think how many lefties would sell their mother to get a Sir or Dame title. Hypocrites

  6. Johno

    Think of some of these recipients of the AC who now possess a second-class honour: Stephen Bracks, Richard Butler, Ian Chubb, Gareth Evans, Joan Kirner, Malcolm Fraser, Ronald Wilson, Douglas McClelland, Nicole Kidman and Lois O’Donoghue.

    Although it is extraordinarily unlikely, if I was ever offered an AC, I would have to refuse. Nobody with any self respect would want to be a member of that club. Kirner, Fraser, Wilson and Chubb! Unbelievable.

  7. Abu Chowdah

    Tony Abbott should be applauded for his foresight and brilliance. In one sortie he has demoted hundreds of pretentious Australians.

    Great point, Samuel! You nailed it. Think of all the egotistical suckles in the senior APS who are now out of the club. Masterstroke!

  8. Abu Chowdah

    suckholes, dammit

  9. Alfonso

    In the tradition of the PPL brain explosion….I give you ‘the cringe’ renewed via knights and dames.
    The patronising poms are laughing at the pathetic colonial bunnies yet again.

  10. Shelley

    I just love that TA has done this!

  11. Angus Black

    Actually, I think “daming” Q was a master stroke – wedged Billyboy a treat, didn’t it?

  12. Sir Samuel J

    Sir Samuel if you please Abu! :)

  13. GC

    With Prince William coming out soon, perhaps Tony Abbott’s plan is to have the Prince and Kate do the honours with the knighthoods and dame hoods. That should put the republicans (mainly leftoids) back about 20 years! Abbott may just be a genius.

  14. GC

    “Sir Rupert” has a ring to it ….. How would the left deal with that!

  15. politichix

    hughie
    #1240332, posted on March 26, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    The reaction among the left has been amazing. Only 12 people will get this award between now and the election – meaning almost no one – and yet they have gone mental. Why? Because this is the first bit of creative traditional, conservative policymaking for decades by a Liberal government.

    Reassuring the majority that he has their back even in the face of twittering outrage . . .

    Mike of Marion
    #1240333, posted on March 26, 2014 at 8:21 pm

    She has shown that a republican supporter can be bought!!!!

    And be kept quiet for like forever . . .

    hughie
    #1240338, posted on March 26, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    Great way to wedge the son-in-law

    added bonus!

    Genius

  16. nerblnob

    Did Quentin Bryce not have the opportunity to refuse her damehood or damage or whatever it’s called? Wouldn’t that be the principled thing for a republican to do?

  17. Robert Crew

    I can’t find the video for the quote (except on my old DVDs). a great moment, but here’s another classic from the same episode.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmXzGI0XP7M

  18. Driftforge

    Good. Nobility should be honoured.

  19. Sir Samuel J

    Did Quentin Bryce not have the opportunity to refuse her damehood or damage or whatever it’s called? Wouldn’t that be the principled thing for a republican to do?

    Yes she could have refused. Paul Keating has refused honours (good on him). There are numerous examples of people refusing knighthoods.

  20. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    This is brilliant. Lefty heads are exploding across the land. Screams and wails rend the air at Southbank (where the foul ABC-scum slither). Numerous lefty suckholes have been demoted. Wee Willie Manboobs the Alleged has been wedged so tightly his date’s up his back as far up as his tits are on the front.

    The greenfilth and other socialist totalitarians have been given so much to shriek and soil themselves about in one week that they have totally lost it.

    The only worry is that too many of us might injure ourselves laughing.

  21. Johno

    Why the heck did Bryce get knighted?

    I can’t help thinking that this is Abbott at his mischievous best. Bruce is a narcissistic lefty. She will have been torn between her vanity of being made a Dame and her desperate need to be accepted by the Left by sprouting all of their fashionable opinions. Abbott would have known this, and calculated that her vanity would win out. She will be spending her retirement defending her decision to take Abbott’s trinket.

    I also suspect that Abbott decided to reintroduce these honours to make the Left scream. He’s saying to them – I’m confident enough in my position and by abilities that I don’ care about your sensibilities. Scream away. You are impotent.

    The Left’s ABC showed the Left in full flight. If Abbott stands firm, hopefully it will embolden those on his side to take a tougher line against the Left.

    Kudos to Turnbull for playing his part. The Left have been trying to bait him to take on Abbott. For once, good political judgement hadn’t deserted him and he is throwing it straight back into their face.

    This is a sideshow to the main game, but it is so much fun to watch.

  22. politichix

    Sir Samuel J
    #1240340, posted on March 26, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    The reaction among the left has been amazing

    Yes, but think how many lefties would sell their mother to get a Sir or Dame title. Hypocrites

    The perfect example of this hypocrisy is the number of “anti-queen” (for want of a better word) SCs that instantly reverted to QC. Stephen Keim (Haneef case) an honourable exception.

  23. politichix

    Johno, everything you said

  24. Johno

    “Sir Rupert” has a ring to it ….. How would the left deal with that!

    Brilliant. And he would be the most worthy recipient. There are few Australians who have made a contribution as magnificent as his.

    Really, really, really annoying the Left would just be an added side benefit.

  25. calli

    Up here in the future Sir Philip Ruddock’s electorate, I can only hear a faint echo of the explosions, but it’s a beautiful sound on an autumn evening.

  26. GC

    @politichix – don’t forget Dreyfuss QC –

  27. Gab

    Murdoch is no longer an Australian citizen.

  28. Johno

    With Prince William coming out soon, perhaps Tony Abbott’s plan is to have the Prince and Kate do the honours with the knighthoods and dame hoods.

    Bryce’s ultimate humiliation.

    Do it Tony, do it.

    Cosgrove would probably be a bit chuffed as well.

  29. politichix

    GC
    #1240386, posted on March 26, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    @politichix – don’t forget Dreyfuss QC –

    I know! I was praying it could somehow become a relevant point in QT today.

  30. Johno

    Murdoch is no longer an Australian citizen.

    Doesn’t matter. He’s still a true Australian in spirit.

    This is Tony’s award. He can make up the rules.

  31. Des Deskperson

    ‘Think of some of these recipients of the AC who now possess a second-class honour’

    Then there’s Gough, Jim Bacon, Bill Haydon, William Deane, Geoffrey Rush, Peter Beattie and Peter Shergold. All the names cited here and by Sir Samuel J above, not to mention the likes of Eddie Obeid AO, seriously devalue the Australian awards system and make you wonder why any person of even average sensibility and self knowledge would ever accept one.

  32. Murdoch is no longer an Australian citizen.

    That’s right – he cashed in his birthright – indicative of his value set – and you’d give him a knighthood for that – says it all…………

  33. hughie

    Great diplomatic tool too. I bet one is heading SBY’s way, quick smart.

  34. Badjack

    PM Abbott was offered something GG Byrce new he had to refuse (her resignation). Dame Quenten was offered something PM Abbott new she would never refuse. That is genius payback.

  35. Gab

    Doesn’t matter. He’s still a true Australian in spirit.

    This is Tony’s award. He can make up the rules.

    Good lord! You sound like a petulant child. You clearly don’t know Abbott very well otherwise you’d know Abbott is a stickler for protocol and rules concerning such things.

  36. Cheryl Ryan

    Chris Berg on the Dumb today said that Bryce had no choice re Damehood.
    Is that correct?

  37. Zaphod

    In a year or two, he should create a new top level, the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Australia.

    With 18c on the way out, perhaps Grand Wizard is a better option.

  38. Gab

    Great diplomatic tool too. I bet one is heading SBY’s way, quick smart.

    SBY, also not an Australian citizen.

  39. Bruce of Newcastle

    If Quentin has a brain, tomorrow, as the first act of a now ex-GG, she will gracefully decline this honour.

    Note she could not do so while in office as GG as that would be a political act. She used up all her political capital recently. If she refused the award today she’d be rotting next to John Kerr for the rest of Australian political history.

    If she fails to demure tomorrow she will give the LNP a stick with which to thump ALP honours trolls, and ALP republicans, for at least the next decade.

    I hope she keeps the gong. It’ll be so much fun if she does.

  40. Sir Samuel J

    Gab – the Government can award honorary orders of Australia. Nelson Mandela was awarded an honorary AC.

  41. jupes

    Abbott is really beginning to grow into his role.

    In one surprise move he demotes a whole bunch of lefties, scores a symbolic victory in the culture wars, shows good grace by giving the honour to a lefty hero while simultaneously exposing her as a hypocrite for accepting it and wedges Dolly her son in law.

    A masterstroke for which he thoroughly deserves a glass of good scotch and a chuckle. Well done.

  42. Sir Samuel J

    Bruce – she can’t decline now as she has already accepted and been awarded the Damehood. See the factsheet here.

  43. Viva

    Yes – it’s always good to see lefty heads exploding. But why did we have pommify ourselves to do it? It’s even starting to sound pathetic in Britain. Sir Mick anyone? Give me a break.

  44. Anne

    Angus Black
    #1240351, posted on March 26, 2014 at 8:30 pm
    Actually, I think “daming” Q was a master stroke – wedged Billyboy a treat, didn’t it?

    History will show her to be the shallow and vacuous hypocrite she is.

    Bryce’s ultimate humiliation.

    Do it Tony, do it.

    Couldn’t agree more Johno! It’s perfect!

    Also… What!! – Nicole Kidman!!!

  45. Fleeced

    Meh… can’t say I care much either way about knighthoods – though I do like that it annoys lefties.

    I know that, in time, it will likely include a lot of people I don’t like. Lefties will no doubt try to get the choosing of the honours turned over to a committee so that we get the usual Australian of the Year style suspects – I would rather see it canned again than corrupted to such an extent. Leaving it with the PM keeps it a bit safer, but I suspect we’ll still see some PC choices soon enough.

    In the meantime though, it might just be a bit of fun.

  46. Gab

    I was looking at the eligibility requirements, Samuel, which state must be Australian citizen. I didn’t see the honorary bit and can’t see Mandela on the list of the benighted ones. Happy to stand corrected though.

  47. Fred Lenin

    Sir Fred Lenin I like it ,has a ring to it , would do wonders for Australian-Russian Communist relations ! i feel Uncle Vladimir (Ulyanov/Lenin) would have accepted this award.like most Peoples Representatives of the left ,he was right up himself,he is long gone but I will accept the honour on his behalf,PS any money go with it ? . Socialists love lots of other peoples money!

  48. Boambee John

    “Why the heck did Bryce get knighted? Because she was the first female GG. No other reason.”

    So she can demonstrate her own hypocrisy as a self-described republican (as if she didn’t already do that by accepting the vice-regal post anyway).

  49. Adrian

    Well , I’m not too concerned about the reinstatement of the honour, but if it gets the usual suspects angry then I fully support the move.

  50. Roger

    I suggest PM TA go a step further in reform and radically open up the awards of AK & AD to worthy people not in “public life” but selflessly serving the welfare of the nation for little or no reward other than the satisfaction such service brings. It was quite nauseating to hear the former G-G today speak of the AD as a reward for public service for which she has already been handsomely paid.

  51. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Fred – you have escaped from magnificent gulag of The People’s Cube again, comrade?

  52. Des Deskperson

    According to the official website, people who are not Australian citizens can be given ‘honorary’ awards in the Order of Australia.

  53. Infidel Tiger

    “Why the heck did Bryce get knighted?”

    Because she has a vagina. No greater burden a human can endure. Bravo.

  54. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Oh, the delicious thought of the endlessly vain ex-GG Skeletor the Clothes Horse now relevance deprived, and attending all those lefty luvvie wankfests in support of the Republican-lefties… and insisting they call call her Dame Skeletor.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha… [wipes tears of laughter from eyes]

  55. Peewhit

    Have you all read the qualifying clauses. Pay attention to the small print. As I remember it the award is for public service without being elected, and outside your normal job description.

  56. Fleeced

    It was quite nauseating to hear the former G-G today speak of the AD as a reward for public service for which she has already been handsomely paid.

    I didn’t see it, but yes – that would be quite nauseating… I feel sick just heating about it second hand.

  57. Mark from Melbourne

    I think that this is actually a really good idea… all humour to one side (and, I will concede, mostly funny).

    As it happens, my old man is both a “Sir” (KBE) and an “AC”. And, even though the AC technically outranks the KBE it is the fact that he is “Sir xxx yyyy ” that is noticed. Not the “AC” after his name on formal occasions.

    Honouring those very few (as per the current proposals) who have served us well by changing their actual formal name is I reckon a good thing. We could change the designator to “Bloke” and “Sheila” if we wished, but I think that “Sir” and “Dame” do tend to have a tad more elegance.

    A prepended title is vastly more noticed than any initials murmurred occasionally after the name, and adding such to the Aussie honors is a plusaas I see it. A good exrra level.

    Even though the old man slips down a peg!

  58. Viva

    Murdoch is no longer an Australian citizen.

    Doesn’t matter. He’s still a true Australian in spirit.

    If that’s the case he’ll say thanks but no thanks.

  59. Mark from Melbourne

    plus

    extra

    Ye Gods! Spollchock man!

  60. Fleeced

    …and insisting they call call her Dame Skeletor.

    The funny thing is that “Sir” sounds like a cool title, but “Dame” just makes me think of Edna Everage.

    Think of the fun you could have:

    “Hello, Mrs Bryce”
    “That’s Dame Bryce”
    “Oops, sorry possum!”

  61. Gab

    AK/AD – Knight/Dame of the Order of Australia
    AC – Companion of the Order of Australia

    I’m thinking there’s a big difference between AK/AD and the Honorary Order of Australia. There aren’t any AK/AD people who are not Australian citizens.

    Will people previously appointed as Companions in the Order (AC) have the opportunity to convert their title to Knight/Dame?
    • No. The titles of Knight and Dame are a level above Companion (AC) of the Order of Australia. The Order now consists of 5 levels:
    AK/AD – Knight/Dame of the Order of Australia
    AC – Companion of the Order of Australia
    AO – Officer of the Order of Australia
    AM – Member of the Order of Australia
    OAM – Medal of the Order of Australia

    From the factsheet you linked to earlier, Samuel. Mandela is a Honorary AC.

  62. Stateless, free and happy

    Really? Celebrating Knights and Dames? Hardly consistent with libertarianism.

  63. Roger

    I am in Qld, Fleeced, where her homecoming was given headline status, even by the ABC!

  64. Sir Samuel J

    Sorry, Gab, I didn’t mean to imply that Mandela was an honorary AK. He was an honorary AC. But the PM can certainly have the Queen appoint SBY as an honorary AK if he chose to.

  65. Gab

    There’s no such thing as an honorary AK. You’re just pulling my leg now.

  66. Gerry

    It’s great that that bunch of people listed have another shelf placed above them …………
    OBE – other buggers efforts

  67. Bruce of Newcastle

    she can’t decline now as she has already accepted

    Samuel – She can. All she has to do is say, correctly, that she could not reject the ‘honour’ while still in office as GG.

    The ALP will not be happy if she collects the sword or sceptre or whatever it is she gets. Of course it is a Catch 22 situation since if she rejects the gong she’ll look like a churlish idiot. And that is why Abbott’s strategy is so yummy.

  68. Zaphod

    Really? Celebrating Knights and Dames? Hardly consistent with libertarianism.

    Apparently, it’s the kick to the gonads that counts.

  69. vlad

    It’s time (to coin a phrase) we had a little bit of ratchet conservatism.

  70. Sir Samuel J

    No, Gab, I’m not pulling your leg. It’s on that fact sheet!

  71. Gab

    That factsheet is incomplete! It says so.

    List of AK/ADs:

    Sir John Kerr AK GCMG GCVO
    Sir Robert Menzies KT AK CH QC
    Sir Colin Syme AK[11]
    Sir Zelman Cowen AK GCMG GCVO QC
    Sir MacFarlane Burnet OM AK KBE
    Dame Alexandra Hasluck AD
    Dame Enid Lyons AD GBE
    HRH The Prince of Wales KG KT GCB OM AK QSO  PC
    Sir Roden Cutler VC AK KCMG KCVO CBE
    Sir Garfield Barwick AK GCMG
    Sir Charles Court AK KCMG OBE
    Sir Ninian Stephen KG AK GCMG GCVO KBE QC
    Sir Roy Wright AK
    Sir Gordon Jackson AK
    Dame Quentin Bryce AD CVO

    List of Honorary AKs/ADS:

  72. candy

    John Howard and Bob Hawke and would be good choices if they do former PM’s.

    That would be quite appropriate I think.

  73. Stateless, free and happy

    Its one (stupid and non-libertarian) thing to have a monarch. But how crazy is it adopt the monarch of another country?

  74. Fleeced

    I suspect Hawkey wouldn’t take one, candy – and I’d hate it to become the norm for all former PMs to get one. Still, you never know.

  75. Bruce of Newcastle

    List of AK/ADs:

    Wince. So I once insulted one of the only 15 knights and dames in Australia. Just great. He was our Honorary Colonel and I failed to fill his glass fast enough in mess. And a VC too…

  76. candy, as I mentioned earlier, it has been (since WWII) ALP policy not to accept knighthoods. When Sir John Egerton accepted a knighthood the ALP expelled him from the party and never let up on the man until his death.

  77. Fleeced

    Really? Celebrating Knights and Dames? Hardly consistent with libertarianism.

    No more so than existing honours – and since it reduces level of existing ones, it’s a net positive… In the long term, probably not much difference though

  78. candy

    I suspect Hawkey wouldn’t take one, candy – and I’d hate it to become the norm for all former PMs to get one. Still, you never know.

    No, not a norm, Fleeced, but I was just thinking of former PM’s and they are the only 2 would meet the criteria. I think we need to look past this republican/monarchy thing too – that’s very restrictive because it’s about honouring outstanding service/achievement. I think that’s what Tony Abbott meant.

  79. hughie

    The trick then is to give the States the power to nominate Knights and Dames too – or to allow the States to veto any attempt to remove them.

  80. Fleeced

    candy, as I mentioned earlier, it has been (since WWII) ALP policy not to accept knighthoods. When Sir John Egerton accepted a knighthood the ALP expelled him from the party and never let up on the man until his death.

    Wonder if their wives would accept one…

  81. only 15 knights and dames in Australia

    No, there are many others with honours of different orders; Sir David Smith KCVO, AO, for instance, who served several G-Gs, was knighted by The Queen into the Royal Victorian Order, which is her own gift.

  82. candy

    When Sir John Egerton accepted a knighthood the ALP expelled him from the party and never let up on the man until his death.

    Shows a bit of bigotry, then, Deadman. Tall poppy syndrome with ALP people.

  83. Fleeced

    The trick then is to give the States the power to nominate Knights and Dames too

    Hello, no… That’s how Australian of the Year became what it is.

  84. jupes

    No, not a norm, Fleeced, but I was just thinking of former PM’s and they are the only 2 would meet the criteria.

    Dame Lying Slapper and Sir Krudd Fuhrer?

  85. Fleeced

    Can you imagine Sir Goodes? Ugh… It’s all funny at the moment, but within a couple years, I suspect we’ll all be complaining.

  86. entropy

    I reckon Kevni would kill in his rush to get one.

  87. Fleeced

    I could actually handle Kev getting one just because of how it would annoy Gillard – perhaps before a plum overseas posting… But he certainly isn’t deserving, and it would seem cruel to his victims (pink batts, etc) to reward such a man merely for political jokery… Plus it would pretty much kill the reputation of the award.

  88. The Government, of course, could easily create an Australian, restricted order without titles, but with desirable letters—similar to the Order of Merit*, limited to twenty-four members, of the Order of the Companions of Honour, limited to sixty-five members.†

    * one member, you might recall, was Dame Joan Sutherland OM, DBE, AC.
    † one of whom is Malcolm Fraser AC CH PC.

  89. or the Order of the Companions…

  90. Gab

    only 15 knights and dames in Australia

    No, there are many others with honours of different orders; Sir David Smith KCVO, AO, for instance, who served several G-Gs, was knighted by The Queen into the Royal Victorian Order, which is her own gift.

    The list for AK/AD is complete and David Smith is not included in that list becuase he did not receive an AK.

  91. No, Gab, I explained, accurately, that there are more than fifteen knights and dames in Australia. Australian knights and Dames—with say, DBEs or KCVOs, but without AKs or ADs—are still Australian knights and dames.

  92. Gab

    A KCVO is not the same thing as a Knight of the Order of Australia. Never will be.

    David Smith was greatly honoured in other ways though:

    On 29 April 1977, David Smith was made a Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (CVO), for his continuing service as Official Secretary.[6]

    On 9 June 1986, he was appointed an Officer of the Order of Australia (AO) for “service to the Crown, as Official Secretary to the Governor-General and as Secretary of the Order of Australia”.[7]

    On 19 August 1990, he was appointed a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (KCVO)[8] at a private investiture at Balmoral Castle.[2]

    On 1 January 2001 Sir David Smith was awarded the Centenary Medal for “services to Australian society through the Office of the Governor-General”.[9]

  93. Gab, I never said that a KCVO is the same as an AK; but, in reply to the comment that we have “only 15 knights and dames in Australia” I pointed out that we have more than fifteen (remembering also that quite a few of the AKs and AD are deceased). Sir David Smith does not have an AK but he is a knight and he is an Australian.

  94. Gab

    but he is a knight and he is an Australian.

    Oh alright, I’ll let you win this one on a technicality.

    Now, can an AK be awarded to an Australian Prime Minister, Deadman?

  95. james

    Getting an AK sounds brutal.

    Does it come with a full sickle clip?

  96. can an AK be awarded to an Australian Prime Minister

    The short answer is, yes, they can, but probably wouldn’t.
    Mr Abbott intimated that he was not inclined to award AKs or AD to politicians. I believe him when he says that no more than four would be awarded a year so, despite all the drollery about sportsmen and celebrities running around as knight and dames, it aint gonna happen. I don’t see him ever offering one to Malcolm Fraser, nor one to John Howard—at least for a year or two—, but, in the next term, after loud, public demand…
    As I’ve already insisted, it was ALP policy not to accept knighthoods, and I suspect that the undeserving Keating, Rudd and Gillard would not be offered honours for them to reject.

  97. CatAttack

    I think this is deserving of about 2 minutes of newsworthiness then I am over it. Mind you it was worth it just to upset a few more Lefties.

  98. Ant

    Steve Bracks has an AC?

    The clown who gave us the desal plant?

    He should have been given shackles, a striped pyjama suit and a tin cup instead.

  99. Roger

    The only truly worthy one on your list, Gab, is Sir Roden Cutler.
    Not to denigrate the achievements of the others, mind you – such as they are – but they shouldn’t hand these things out like gold stars in grade one awarded by an over eager teacher.

  100. JohnA

    Stateless, free and happy #1240486, posted on March 26, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    Its one (stupid and non-libertarian) thing to have a monarch. But how crazy is it adopt the monarch of another country?

    Nah, SFH, it’s the ultimate Australian act of economising. The equivalent of fixing a machine with hayband and fencing wire.

    We get all the cachet of royalty with hardly any of the expense. Just a handful of Governors and one G-G.

    And now ponder how effectively the retiring G-G has been wedged.

    Her behaviour as Dame Quentin Bryce needs to be at a level well above an AC (you know, gracious, semi-regal, above politics etc as befits a Dame). Now, anything she says will be interpreted through that lens. So she will be doubly careful of what she says in public and maybe even in private as well.

  101. cynical1

    I could actually handle Kev getting one just because of how it would annoy Gillard – perhaps before a plum overseas posting… But he certainly isn’t deserving, and it would seem cruel to his victims (pink batts, etc) to reward such a man merely for political jokery… Plus it would pretty much kill the reputation of the award.

    Oh, I dunno.

    Dame Kevin works for me…

  102. Taller and

    Gauleiter Rudd sounds about right, although Clive Palmer looks more like an antipodean Goering every day.

  103. Talleyrand Prince de Bénévent

    Gauleiter Rudd sounds about right, although Clive Palmer looks more like an antipodean Goering every day.

  104. C.L.

    Tony Abbott should be applauded for his foresight and brilliance. In one sortie he has demoted hundreds of pretentious Australians.

    I never thought of it this way.

    You’re right.

    Brilliant!

  105. twostix

    Joan Kirner

    Joan who?

    Oh that’s right another Labor dame who despite claiming to be a powerful Grrl Pwwwr! feminist was selected by Labor men to lead the party to an unwinnable election and duly did as she was told and is now poverty stricken and irrelevant.

    What an outstanding Australian. The absolute best we have.

    On 11 June 2012, she was named a Companion of the Order of Australia for “eminent service to the Parliament of Victoria and to the community through conservation initiatives, contributions to gender equality, the development of education and training programs and the pursuit of civil rights and social inclusion.”

    LOL

  106. dover_beach

    She was a founding member of Emily’s List (copied from the US).

  107. Pusnip

    Sir Tony is looking more like a one term wonder all the time. This move will play will among the right wing reactionaries, culture warriors and elites but for the other 99 purr cent of modern Australia, it will be just another block head policy that turns voters off.

  108. Yobbo

    Sir Shane Warne would send lefties absolutely psycho.

  109. Yobbo

    And no cricketer since Bradman has deserved it more.

  110. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Said it on another thread too: I do not want to be a Dame. Just a Lady.
    Lady Elizabeth Ape will do, for this thread at least. Lady Lizzie on informal occasions.
    You know it makes sense, Sir Samuel. Lady Calli and Lady Tinta no doubt agree too.
    Dame Gab, anointed for services to internet searching, may of course take her pick.

  111. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Parsnip, go and throw yourself in some soup.

  112. This decision was a good one because it infuriated the progressive side of politics and because in their mind it will reinforce their stereotyped view of Abbott leading to them underestimating him.

  113. sabrina

    Who cares about the Sirs and the Dames.
    Opportunists abound on either side of politics.

  114. The Pugilist

    The good thing is the public service medal has been bumped to a fourth order award. Pawn shops in Canberra will be turning these away soon.

  115. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    This move doesn’t go far enough. Nowhere near far enough.

    I won’t be satisfied until we have the full array of titles: Grand Duke, Duke, Marquess, Earl, Viscount and Baron.

    Anything less is simply yet more proof of the vile Trotskyite modernist leftism under which we suffer in the Abbott Socialist Republic.

  116. Robbo

    I like the look of “Sir Mark Dreyfus QC” which if offered he would accept with alacrity but only “for commercial reasons”. Dreyfus is, by his own admission, a purchasable hypocrite and therefore would be an admirable addition to our new roster of enobled citizens.

  117. Des Deskperson

    ‘The good thing is the public service medal has been bumped to a fourth order award. Pawn shops in Canberra will be turning these away soon.’

    Despite it’s official ranking, the PSM is usually considered as a ‘bronze’, a consolation prize for people who may have made some sort of contribution in the past (or may have simply been around for yonks) but who are no longer going anywhere. It’s a plodder’s award, and there aren’t too many portfolio secretaries who have one. The exception is, of course, Jane Halton, but that a whole other story.

  118. Alfonso

    To market this bit of embarrassing bunyip pap to the suburban employed Tone will be dubbing sportsmen and actor darlings……how long before our Cate gets a guernsey…. in an act of especially cunning retail politics.

  119. Tone will be dubbing sportsmen and actor darlings

    No.

  120. Zaphod

    Sir Elton John, Sir Mick Jagger, Sir Tom Jones etc etc
    …..aristocratic celebrities, ho hum

  121. Fleeced

    Sir Elton John, Sir Mick Jagger, Sir Tom Jones etc etc
    …..aristocratic celebrities, ho hum

    Just wait until they have one as a prize on Big Brother…

    The new AU system seems to be restricting the number a bit. Probably a good thing – the ACs and whatnot we had already were getting a bit out of hand, and handed out like lollies. Now they’re all demoted.

  122. Mike of Marion

    Sir John Arthur “Jack” Brabham, AO, OBE (born 2 April 1926)

  123. Up The Workers!

    Talking about “second-class Honours” for “second-class people”, are there any suggestions for the names of the orders to be conferred on ladder-climbing “luvvies” of Labor?

    How about “Knight Grand Myki, with an N.B.N. cluster”?

    “Commander of the Order of Obeid”

    “Order of the Golden Gonads of Alwaysleazy”

    “The Coutts-Trotter Import/Export Award”

    “The Williamson/Thomson Grand Union Cash Bag-man”

    “The Grassby-Richardson Order of Applied Mendacity”, or top of the pile:

    “Dame of the Order of Professor Juliar” (can be purchased cheap at the University of Adelaide for $100 million of taxpayers’ cash – or alternatively, you could buy a “Big Mac” at the Ronald McDonald “College of Hamburgerology” for only $3.80 and not only cure your hunger, but trump the U. of A. on academic standing, too!).

  124. Gab

    Tone will be dubbing sportsmen and actor darlings

    Sir Adam Goodes.

  125. The Pugilist

    It’s a plodder’s award

    And dear god there are quite a number of plodders and plonkers, not to mention angry misandrists, in the APS. I fail to see why there should be a PSM at all…

  126. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Up The Wukkas – brilliant!

  127. calli

    “The Coutts-Trotter Import/Export Award”

    Good stuff!

  128. Boambee John

    ” fail to see why there should be a PSM at all…”

    There should be NO awards for those who simply carry out their duty in an exemplary manner, that is why they get paid.

    There should, however, be penalties for those whose efforts are less than exemplary.

  129. Fleeced

    Sir Adam Goodes.

    Yes, I suggested earlier that this is a reason not to let States start nominating… nor pushing the decision to a committee as the rest of the awards are.

    Howard is also now on record as saying that if he were ever offered one, he’d likely refuse… given Abbott has indicated he doesn’t want it for politicians, that’s consistent with that anyway.

    The limit is 4/year, but I actually hope it’s used even more sparingly than that.

  130. Alfonso

    ‘There should be NO awards for those who simply carry out their duty in an exemplary manner, that is why they get paid.
    There should, however, be penalties for those whose efforts are less than exemplary.’

    Western Aviation culture as ever leads the way, twas always so.

  131. Gab

    There should be NO awards for those who simply carry out their duty in an exemplary manner, that is why they get paid.

    There should, however, be penalties for those whose efforts are less than exemplary.

    YES!

  132. Fleeced

    I do wonder how much the mere potential of receiving such a title might make some people play a little nicer… I’m thinking of people like Warren Mundine, who some on here seem to like but who I’ve never warmed to.

    He was campaigning for an ALP senate seat not long ago, but left the party after is was given to Bob Carr (LOL). So, he’s power hungry enough, and no longer a member of the labor party… I’m putting him on the shortlist (of who I think will get one, not of who I want to get one)

  133. Bear Necessities

    Royalty should be announced this way.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfL4xKQeSfo

    Greetings from The Humungus! The Lord Humungus! The Warrior of the Wasteland! The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!

  134. Fleeced

    There should, however, be penalties for those whose efforts are less than exemplar

    LOL – can you imagine if instead of honorary titles, we instituted titles of shame?

  135. .

    There should be NO awards for those who simply carry out their duty in an exemplary manner, that is why they get paid.

    Sort of. They need to make sure everyone on the public payroll pulls their weight. Magistrates can be the biggest bludgers of all. Some Council workers pull 35 hours a week in an office and get six figures.

    Some poor schmucks work overtime every day and weekends to make sure the courts systems keep running. Cut their funding! Fund another degenerate artist or women’s research crapola…

  136. .

    Zaphod
    #1240411, posted on March 26, 2014 at 9:01 pm
    In a year or two, he should create a new top level, the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Australia.

    With 18c on the way out, perhaps Grand Wizard is a better option.

    What a delusional crock of shit. s18C is the only thing standing in the way of state sponsored racial violence.

    Lay off the crack pipe, Zaff.

  137. Bruce

    I’m hanging out for the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Australia with Oak Leaves.

  138. .

    Such utter nonsense. If you want to stick it to these pretentious counts, then REVOKE their ACs etc.

    Abbott doesn’t have the balls.

    If it is “libertarian to have a monarchy”, then it is “libertarian to regulate speech”.

    Makes as much sense.

  139. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Tone will be dubbing sportsmen and actor darlings

    Sir Shane Warne? Dame Nicole Kidman? Dame Kylie Minogue?

  140. Bruce

    Or Dame David Marr even?

  141. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Or Dame David Marr even?

    Bruce, I will confess that that thought had been lurking at the back of my mind.

  142. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bruce, I will also confess that the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Australia with diamonds has a fine ring to it.

  143. Leo G

    How grand- Australian cross knights to order!

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  145. politichix

    Former Liberal prime minister John Howard does not agree with Tony Abbott’s decision to reinstitute knights and dames into the Australian honours system, saying he stands by his long-held view that such a move would be considered “somewhat anachronistic”, even by conservatives.

    Mr Howard indicated that because of his views, and the fact that he never entered politics to receive honours, it was unlikely he would accept a knighthood should one ever be offered.

    My god! Someone with personal integrity!

  146. ASIO transcript:
    Time redacted; place redacted:
    First Voice, so far unidentified: … but will a military man make a good Governor-General?
    Second Voice, identified as the PM: Why not? After all, General Jeffery was well regarded, and General Sir Phillip Bennett, for instance, Governor of Tasmania from 1987 to 1995, dealt with a few minor constitutional crises there very ably. I expect General Cosgrove to be as competent and fair-minded as Sir Phillip.
    F.V.: Sir Phillip? What a pity that General Cosgrove is not “Sir Peter”; it sounds so much nicer and more, um, vice-regal.
    P.M.: By my halidom! Why not? We could restore the AK and AD!
    F.V.: AK? AD?
    P.M.: Knight and Dame of the Order of Australia, introduced by Fraser but abolished by Hawke.
    F.V.: Won’t people accuse you of wanting to honour all sorts of dopy sportsmen and dodgy celebrities.
    P.M.: We could make it special, like the Order of the Garter, say, restricted to no more than twenty-four people at any one time, or limit new appointments to, say, no more than three or four a year. Anyway, who cares what they say? They’ll be proven wrong in time. I’ll offer a knighthood to General Cosgrove and, when he’s installed, I’ll announce that all future Governors-General will receive an AK or AD on appointment. It will, as you intimated, give a great sense of dignity to the position, I reckon.
    F.V.: What about Quentin Bryce? [sounds of laughter] What are you cackling about now?
    P.M.: We’ll suggest to Quentin that she be a Dame! If she refuse, it’s no skin off our noses because the honour is being introduced with General Cosgrove’s appointment. If she accept, however, won’t that annoy the ALP in general and Bill Shorten in particular? [sounds of more laughter] I shall ring The Queen…
    Transmission breaks up.
    End.

  147. Knight and Dame, under the hide of me…
    there’s an oh, such a noble yearnin’ burnin’ inside of me
    and its torment won’t be through
    ’til you let me give awards honouring you—
    Dame and knight, knight and dame.

  148. Tintarella di Luna

    My god! Someone with personal integrity!

    Howard’s always had it. The man has more integrity, honour and grace than the entire front and back bench of the entire ALP sitting in this and the previous two parliaments.

  149. Shauno

    His Grace Clive Palmer the Duke of Dinosaur park

  150. john constantine

    how long will the abc cameras dwell on the beaming face of manboobs shorten as he applauds his mother-in-law at her award ceremony. will the image of shorty in the family snap with the new dame become a lefty meme?. imagine if the abc’s hated john howard got the first award.the abc cameras would be marching with the activist protestors,assuring the public that 100,000 howard haters blockaded the award.

  151. C.L.

    I see Bolt calls the move “unhelpful.”

    Notice the ingrained Stockholm Syndrome?

    Anything that offends the extreme left is unhelpful.

    We’re supposed to be doing things they approve of – or, at least, don’t oppose too passionately.

  152. Shauno

    Just to shut the left up be funny if they gave one to Dame Gillard or Sir Kevin Rudd.

  153. Alfonso

    Will there be an affirmative action program for knightdoms?
    How do I get money on a one legged ‘white’ Aboriginal woman arteest living on a grant?

  154. Bruce

    You might have to wait until the ALP get back into power Alfonso,then I reckon you’ll be on a good thing with that selection.

  155. tomix

    Presumably there’ll have to be gender equality with the 4 awards per year.

    More opportunities for Abbotts inspired mischief?

  156. candy

    I wonder if John Howard would really truly have knocked a knighthood back if it had been offered.

  157. tomix

    Probably. He spent 11 years making ALP policy the law of the land, until the voters called time on him.

  158. Fleeced

    I wonder if John Howard would really truly have knocked a knighthood back if it had been offered.

    Hard to say. I think he’s sincere in stating his intentions, but when the offer is on the table…

    Personally, I’m under no illusions: if I were ever offered a knighthood (fat chance), I’d absolutely take it :)

  159. .

    tomix
    #1241125, posted on March 27, 2014 at 12:39 pm
    Probably. He spent 11 years making ALP policy the law of the land, until the voters called time on him.

    Boom!

  160. DrBeauGan

    There’s always inflation to worry about, e.g sir mick jagger, lady elton john and sir welsh git. If offered a knighthood, I shall decline but indicate my willingness to accept an earldom.

  161. Captain Col

    The reintroduction of knighthoods does not dishonour some others. They were dishonoured by the removal of knighthoods and consequent downgrading of the Order of Australia from the normal five level system which has numerous international equivalents to a four level one. The AC was not automatically elevated to the international equivalent and so effectively, Australia did not properly its highest achievers.

  162. The Consigliere

    Political master-stroke!

    Ian Frazer and Peter Doherty deserve to be in the top echelons of honour in Australia. We are degrading their achievements just because Abbott wants to play king.

    What a farce this government has been. The tea party is in charge and we have the Mad Hatter running our government.

  163. james

    I’m hanging out for the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of Australia with Oak Leaves.

    I will take the Knight’s Cross of the Order of Australia with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds please.

    God knows I deserve it.

  164. Ian Frazer and Peter Doherty deserve to be in the top echelons of honour in Australia.

    Suggest their awards be upgraded, then.

  165. The Consigliere

    Deadman: Suggest their awards be upgraded, then.

    Wouldn’t be of too much use with this Prime Minister. He doesn’t go in for that whole science thing.

  166. I note that your average ALP MP does like the honorific, “the Hon.” In Victoria, former ministers retain the honorific automatically; in New South Wales, Queensland, South Australia and Tasmania, the premier can advise the Queen to grant former ministers the style for life.

  167. James Hargrave

    The point is that the Order of Australia was another Whitlam-in-a-hurry initiative, a near clone of the Order of Canada, introduced as gesture without proper consideration. In Canada, since 1919, except for 5 years in the 1930s, there had been virtually no imperial honours awarded, so in effect a clean slate. Here the Order was completely misaligned, though made better by Fraser with the OAM, AK/AD to give it range – but it still does not tally with what it replaced (New Zealand got it right – which is why folk in the top two bands could be converted to the two grades of knighthood: there was equivalence). Thus, an AK is at the Grand Cross level, and an AC is at the level of an ‘ordinary’ knighthood, AO at Companion level, AM at Officer level, OAM at Member level = one step out.

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