Presidential lying

Part of the interest in following politics in the US is to see just how corrupt it is, with the heart of that corruption in the media reporting. The certainty that the mainstream media will lie at every turn to protect a Democrat, and do the same to harm a Republican, is as plain as day but almost never discussed. Three instances have come up in the past two days of the ways in which the news is suppressed and distorted.

First Obama went to see the Pope, and this is how it turned out:

President Obama’s first meeting with Pope Francis produced a little schism of its own.

The Vatican and White House gave starkly different versions Thursday of Mr. Obama’s meeting with Francis.

Stark indeed. This is the Obama version, just a bit of chit chat really:

“We actually didn’t talk a whole lot about social schisms in my conversations with His Holiness,” Mr. Obama said at a press conference in Rome. “In fact, that really was not a topic of conversation.”

And this is the Vatican version:

The Vatican, however, issued a statement after the meeting saying the president’s discussions with Francis and two other top Vatican officials focused “on questions of particular relevance for the [Catholic] Church in [the United States], such as the exercise of the rights to religious freedom, life and conscientious objection” — issues that have fueled divisions between Mr. Obama and the church.

OK so the Pope says one thing and Obama says another. Just how likely is it that Obama was the one to be telling the gospel truth. But while the media in some sense took note, they left it up in the air about where the truth might be. And then there is this which has also come up at the same time:

The Obama administration now says more than 6 million people have signed up for Obamacare, but critical information is missing, Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) told Fox News on Friday.

“I think that they are lying to us about who has paid, who has not paid, who is getting subsidies…They don’t want to give us the numbers,” she said. “The way they are surveying this (web)site — you know they are trying to cover things up.”

Of course, Obama has done nothing but lie about the Affordable Care Act so why should now be different? It’s routine for Obama to lie. But as disgusting and despicable as that is, the way this is not a media issue, to be chewed over and discussed, is an important element in what is turning the US into the Argentina of the twenty-first century.

And perhaps most bizarrely of all there is this, At Obama-Putin Phone Call:

While we’ll never know exactly how the phone call went, if you read how the Obama administration described the conversation between Putin and Obama, and how the Russians described it, you’d think they were two completely different phone calls. . . .

When you read the Russian version it sounds like Obama is cooperating to help Putin “protect” the citizens of Ukraine. The White House version has Obama practically berating Putin, while the Russian version has him going along with Putin’s plans.

It is a disastrous business when it is infinitely easier to believe the President of Russia than the President of the United States just as I would find it as likely that I’m being lied to by The New York Times as I am by Pravda. As the article concludes: “Aren’t you glad we have a community organizer in charge of the free world?” Well c’mon, tell the truth, aren’t you?

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22 Responses to Presidential lying

  1. kae

    The certainty that the mainstream media will lie at every turn to protect a Democrat, and do the same to harm a Republican, is as plain as day but almost never discussed. Three instances have come up in the past two days of the ways in which the news is suppressed and distorted.

    I’m sure that it’s not only in the US that the MSM will lie at every turn (outright and by omission) to protect one political party and to harm another. Look at Australian “journalism” and see what passes muster here. Not much.

  2. Ivan Denisovich

    Part of the interest in following politics in the US is to see just how corrupt it is

    http://michellemalkin.com/2014/03/28/a-whole-lotta-democrat-corruption-going-on/

  3. Biota

    I get the impression that Obumma is too disengaged from the job to knowingly lie. His priorities seem to be golf and goofing about so he really is just an ‘acting’ president who simply reads the lines given to him His dependence on auto cue suggests that original thought is not his strong point.

  4. Ant

    Barack Obama is a LYING scumbag.

    Is that too harsh?

    No way.

    This arseclown whole life story, as told, is one big stinking lie, and he’s carried it into his administration so much so that it permeates everything that comes out of it.

  5. Robbo

    American voters have twice voted Obama into the White House so I have no sympathy for those that are complaining about him now. Anyone who carefully watched and listened to him when he first ran could not help but come to conclusion that he is an empty suit. A smooth talker who would have been a raging success as a conman. Not enough people, and particularly the media, analysed his patter and asked him the really tough questions. Now the USA is paying the price.

  6. Greigoz

    The most galling (and worrying) thing — if Hilary runs, and the Republicans don’t get organized, the world will have 8 more years of Democrat social engineering politics in the USA (and I reckon that’ll just about see them out).

  7. The_Consigleire

    Yup cos the Catholic church never covers up or lies about anything.

    Believing Vladamir Putin over Barack Obama says more about you than about either Vladamir Putin or Barack Obaama.

    Obama is a politician. They are a dissembling ilk, it’s part of their job. Seeing him as somehow more untruthful than anyone else in the business and that there is a vast active media conspiracy to cover up his lies puts you in the same group as moon landing denialists, birthers, truthers and global warming ‘skeptics”.

  8. Rob MW

    Steve – in relation to ‘Ukraine’ – to be a little bit fair to the ‘community organiser’ in charge of what use to be the most powerful nation on the planet, it looks like the commie commissionars in charge of the collective making up the European Union have also been telling a whole lot of porkies.

    James Delingpole at ‘Breitbart (London)’ and Richard North at ‘EU Referendum’ are having a little bit to say on what exactly has been going on. Like all blow-ups there are two sides to the story.

    Delingpole writes:

    Nigel Farage has accused the European Union of having “blood on its hands” over the Ukraine.

    Does that sound over the top?

    Well it might if you’ve been taking your cue from much of the media this last month. Mostly it has been following the line that Putin is a warmongering bully whose incursion into the Crimea was entirely unprovoked.

    But you really don’t need to be a massive Putin fan to acknowledge that Farage has a point. It was the EU that provoked this crisis in the Ukraine, not the Russians.

    To appreciate how, you have to go back to documents like this, which outlines the strategy for absorbing Ukraine into the EU. First step is an Association Agreement like the one signed, behind closed doors, by its acting prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk in Brussels last week. Full membership normally follows later.

    Well, that was the EU’s plan and it has been working on it for some time. The Ukraine was to form the jewel in the crown of the EU’s Eastern Partnership programme, which would see Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine and Belarus brought closer to the bosom of the EU.

    This was what David Cameron was endorsing last year when, at the time of Croatia’s accession to the EU, he described his dream of seeing a European Union which stretched “from the Atlantic to the Urals.”

    Richard North writes:

    One might have thought by now that the EU hierarchy might have learned some lessons from the experience, and backed off from “poking the bear”, having realised that there could only be one outcome.
    However, even with tension at its height, we have in the European Commission the demeanour of the Bourbons, who have learned nothing and forgotten nothing.

    These catastrophic traits are currently embodied in Štefan Füle, by name and nature. As Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood Policy, he has been up-front in negotiating with Ukraine its putative entry into the European Union, and is doing exactly the same thing with Georgia.

    Demonstrating the Bourbonesque tendency, he was in Tbilisi yesterday, delivering a speech about the “myths and true benefits of [the]Association Agreement”. And if, for “Georgia”, you read “Ukraine”, you will realise exactly why Putin is acting as he is.

  9. Tel

    Rob, the big question is who hired the snipers putting shots into the protesting crowd before the Ukraine government was overthrown? That sort of thing certainly isn’t Putin’s style.

  10. Tel

    http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/05/world/europe/ukraine-leaked-audio-recording/

    Note that after saying, “I think we do want to investigate,” they haven’t.

  11. Biota

    Commissioner for Enlargement

    Aha! Is that who I get those emails from :)

  12. Rob MW

    “Rob, the big question is who hired the snipers putting shots into the protesting crowd before the Ukraine government was overthrown? That sort of thing certainly isn’t Putin’s style.”

    Tel – I have no idea of who did what to whom but Delingpole does note this and Putin’s response:

    Putin hinted as much to Baroness Ashton – the former Campaign For Nuclear Disarmament campaigner who in 2009 was promoted way above her pay grade to the position of the EU’s High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy – when he warned her in January not to make any more appearances on the barricades in Kiev with anti-Yanukovych protestors.

    “I can only imagine what the reaction would be if in the heat of a crisis in Greece or Cyprus, our foreign minister came to an anti-European rally and began urging people to do something. This would not be good,” he said.

    When the EU’s leaders ignored Putin’s heavy hints that Ukraine was a problem best sorted out locally, the Russian intervention was inevitable.

  13. Vasily

    Tel, who fired those shots is indeed crucial question.
    To begin to answer the question you must ask another: Cui bono?

    Meanwhile, the leader of the Ukrainian Fascist ‘Right Sector’ group, a powerful instigator of the violence in Maidan square, was killed this week by Ukrainian police – shot in the head after being abducted from a restaurant, although official story is he instigated a gun battle – funny none of the witnesses saw this but only the man being dragged away handcuffed. He had clearly outlived his usefulness to the powers behind the coup and knew too much.

  14. Somerville

    With regard to the USA, as Mark Steyn says, At a certain point, a nation simply becomes too stupid to survive. The media, education system and welfarism have stupefied so many Americans that Obama is not the cause of the decay, he is a product of the decay.

    The USA passed the point of no return in November 2012. Labor-Green’s ABC, Fairfax, most of the rest of the media, and our education system are trying to do the same to Australia.

  15. tomix

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    rest of the media, and our education system are trying to do the same to Australia.

    Heard this from an older person born overseas: “Australians are a lot like the French. They’ll tolerate oppression endlessly, but when the showdown happens, it will be explosive”

  16. Paul

    just as I would find it as likely that I’m being lied to by The New York Times as I am by Pravda.

    Its taken you this long? You think anything was different under Bush? Have you forgotten the NYT and the WMD lies after lie? Pravda was the one speaking the truth in this time too. FYI, the Cuban Missile crisis was a long, long time ago. The world has changed.

  17. stackja

    How to Pollute a Mind: Lessons from John Dewey and Van Jones

    Following the principles of Friedrich Froebel, “inventor” of kindergarten, Dewey proclaimed that schools should condition children for the desired “social order”

    Teachers must stress “mutually helpful living” in order to indoctrinate children in collectivism. Schools must deemphasize facts, knowledge, and real-world skills

  18. Crossie

    I get the impression that Obumma is too disengaged from the job to knowingly lie. His priorities seem to be golf and goofing about so he really is just an ‘acting’ president who simply reads the lines given to him His dependence on auto cue suggests that original thought is not his strong point

    That’s being too generous. He can be a disengaged dilettante and still lie when needed. He is at a point where he really thinks he is the king of the world and he can say whatever he wants, there will be no consequences.

  19. Ed

    Wow. Called out by the Pope, for telling a lie.

  20. Eyrie

    Robbo:” A smooth talker who would have been a raging success as a conman. ”

    Should read “is a raging success as a conman. ” For himself and ugly wife, anyway.

  21. will

    Obama responds to the Ukraine ‘crisis’: not really funny as its true.

  22. John of Perth

    Steve you can include the vast inconstancies with the recent nuclear dialogue/accord with Iran, which was equally bizarre in differences. The Iranian version is nearly 180 different to the Whitehouse statement that had Israel fuming.

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