A clear case of racial vilification returns

I should say straight out that I am a free speech absolutist. If we think governments have a role in licensing what we say to each other, there really is a slippery slope we have embarked upon. Given the world as it is, there is almost no danger of any kind for someone on the left to say whatever it is they want since none of the speech codes and rules of PC apply to them. Only to us on the right. But as dangerous as it often can be to say certain things, the government should not be in a position to restrict the kinds of things we say to each other.

The post found below was put up yesterday and then taken down by me. I could see where the conversation was going and I was not interested in fostering a discussion over whether Australian women on an international scale are or are not slatterns. What I was really interested in was this example of a comment made about Australians that annoyed me not a little but whether it was protected free speech. It is not just minorities that can find themselves on the wrong end of comments that do insult whether or not that was the intention. Kathy Shaidle, writing on her blog in Toronto, wrote about her own relatively constrained sexual experience that “my ‘number’ (as the kids call it these days) is so low that in certain Australian provinces I would still be considered a virgin.” And in Toronto, where the Australian ex pat community is both small and non-violent, no one would really have been offended and therefore taken her to court never mind taken out a contract on her life. Try that remark with any one of a hundred-plus other national, racial or ethnic groups and we’ll see how you go.

But if it were any one of these hundred-plus national, racial or ethnic groups she would have been shunted before some tribunal who would adjudicate her right to have said what she said. And if they had decided that some group had been vilified, humiliated or even merely made uncomfortable, some penalty would have been assessed. So she chooses Australians as her target and really there was only me to get upset, hurt, disgusted, perturbed, shamed, since how many people in Australia read a Canadian blog?

But what’s the answer? How should Australians react to this slur on Australian women? Well, you know what. This is what we do. We get on with life. We don’t make a federal case out of it. We don’t go to some court for redress for our hurt feelings. We just get on with life, which is how it ought to be. Anyway, what follows is the post I put up this morning, now perhaps put in its proper context. Bear in mind that this was originally posted on the first of April and let me also draw your attention to an article by Alan Dershowitz dealing with these same issues who reaches the same conclusion.
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I am reluctant to bring this up, but if ever I have seen need for a Racial Discrimination Act this is it. Kathy Shaidle, a Canadian blogger, is entitled to advertise her book in any way she likes, but still there is a certain profiling that leaves me somewhat nonplussed and decidedly uncomfortable. This is from her advertising promotion for her new book, Confessions of a Failed Slut:

As the only female columnist at controversial, conservative Taki’s Magazine, Kathy Shaidle soon found herself covering an unlikely beat: sexuality.

“Unlikely” because as the married, 50-year-old Shaidle explains, “my ‘number’ (as the kids call it these days) is so low that in certain Australian provinces I would still be considered a virgin.”

I take it that one’s number is the number of sexual partners one has had. And, of course, to refer to our political divisions as “provinces” is quite provincial but what would you expect from a Canadian? But if I understand the comparison she is making, the implication is that Australians are so sexually out there that an Australian maid with as few liaisons as Kathy has had would not even think of herself as ever having had sex at all.

It’s not even that I am insulted by the implication, although I am, but my main curiosity is where did such an analogy come from? Do Australian girls in Canada, or anywhere else for that matter, have a reputation somewhere along these lines. I am thankfully well past the age and inclination of ever having to enter into the sexual wilderness of the present day to find out for myself, but there is nothing I know of that makes me think of our local maidens as anything other than innocent, modest and pure, or no less so than anyone else.

There was a joke when I was young about a particular ethic group which went, what’s a virgin in such-and-such country, and the answer was the fastest girl in Grade 2. But we used to tell ethnic jokes in those days and it was just a joke without much more than a bit of fun (except for people of that ethnic group who didn’t find it funny at all). But Australians? I must do a bit of research.

In the meantime, I think there needs to be a reference to our Human Rights Commission so that if Kathy ever sets foot on these shores down under that she will end up facing the same kind of tribunal faced by her Canadian mates Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn.

Posted on the first of April 2014.

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43 Responses to A clear case of racial vilification returns

  1. incoherent rambler

    Referendum, should the constitution be changed to include:

    “Parliament shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.”

  2. Rabz

    how many people in Australia read a Canadian blog?

    If it’s any consolation, I’ve been reading fivefeetoffury.com for almost a decade and I consider french canuckistanians to be among the most repulsive peoples on the face of this earth.

    But then, so does Ms Shaidle.

  3. Infidel Tiger

    Australians in Canada tend to congregate around ski resorts. There are only two things to do at ski resorts and we know damn well that Australians can’t ski.

    I’ve similarly heard that all it takes to get a Canuck to drop her bear skin panties is the twang of an Australian accent.

  4. james

    I’ve similarly heard that all it takes to get a Canuck to drop her bear skin panties is the twang of an Australian accent.

    Should try being light haired and blue eyed in South America.

  5. Greigoz

    Thank you Infidel Tiger and James… I’m taking notes and buying my tickets now!

  6. stackja

    incoherent rambler
    #1249211, posted on April 2, 2014 at 11:40 am
    Referendum, should the constitution be changed to include:
    “Parliament shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.”

    This would end Steve Kates’ wondering about posts. Make Left angry. Win-Win!

  7. JC

    Do Australian girls in Canada, or anywhere else for that matter, have a reputation somewhere along these lines.

    Well yea, they do. I’m not being judgemental, just telling it how I’ve heard it.

  8. james

    Greigoz

    Try Colombia, the violence is now nowhere near what it once was and as such they are developing a real little tourism sector. Learn a bit of Espanol and take a few salsa lessons and the country is your oyster.

    Even the famously jealous Latin men will even help you out with the ladies a touch if you make friends with them first and buy a couple of rounds.

    Just avoid Argentina like the plague, firstly you don’t stand out all that much as a gringo in a land full of Germans and Italians, and secondly the men are famously standoffish and the women are worse.

  9. SteveC

    Not sure we should pay much attention to a Yank’s opinion of Canadians.

  10. JC

    Welcome back stevesC. How are you doing? Well I hope.

    You’re right, Americans don’t give a shit about Canadians.

  11. A Lurker

    ‘When you point a finger at someone, there are three of your own fingers pointing back at yourself.’

    As a fifty-something Aussie woman I am amused more than outraged, and to be honest, I think Kathy Shaidle’s comments, and her book, really speaks volumes about herself, rather than about Australian women, or Australian society in general.

  12. SteveC

    Thanks JC, I’m well. Finished second round of radiation and so far so good. I keep planning to come back here and start arguments, but I find my new perspective on life leaves me less inclined to sit on the computer and more inclined to get out and do stuff.

  13. Jeff T

    Upon meeting a gal with a North American accent, you should never ask if she’s American.
    If she’s Canadian, you’ve done your dash.
    Ask if she’s Canadian. If she is you have points. If she’s American, no harm done.
    Allegedly.

  14. David

    You’re right, Americans don’t give a shit about Canadians

    As an Aussie having spent some time in both the US and Canada the feeling seems to be mutual and freely expressed.
    Sort of like the parochial crap that goes on here between States.
    :-)

  15. .

    Infidel Tiger
    #1249224, posted on April 2, 2014 at 11:49 am
    Australians in Canada tend to congregate around ski resorts. There are only two things to do at ski resorts and we know damn well that Australians can’t ski.

    I’ve similarly heard that all it takes to get a Canuck to drop her bear skin panties is the twang of an Australian accent.

    You’re alright. Hey everybody, we’re all gonna get laid!

  16. Joe Goodacre

    A correction to previous comments of mine regarding free speech…

    No restrictions on speech unless a person has consented to those restrictions (i.e if a movie theatre has standards of crowd behaviour prohibiting false alarms regarding fire, and someone breaches that requirement, then it is an issue of contract law or property).

    Defamation law is not an acceptable intrusion by government for two reasons:

    a) it is false to suggest that the opinions of others are our property; and
    b) the link of causation for damages if someone tells a lie, is broken because the damage could have been mitigated by the third party not believing the lie.

    No restrictions on racist/hate or physically threatening speech because it’s better to hear what people are thinking, as opposed to pushing it underground. Actual violence is punished, not threats of violence.

  17. .

    Excellent progress.

    You shall be renamed as Joe Better-acre.

  18. DaveA

    Read retraction notice yesterday, thought post must have been a stinker (hence wanted to see it!).

    Read whole post above. Couldn’t see problem, good subject: cultural double standards. No retraction required.

    Read comments, most all about whose women are the loosest, completely miss point of post.

    Now understand retraction :-(

  19. Rabz

    Lurker, I’m not sure you’re getting this.

    I share many of Kathy Shaidle’s views. An example, she (like me) hated the seventies with a passion – it wasn’t just the monstrously hideous ‘fashion’ and muzak, the entire time was quite simply, creep central. She’s a fan of the clash and has an interest in British yoof subcultures, so I respect her for that as well. She hates leftists and moozlies with a passion and is a tireless free speech warrior.

    I’m not even going to attempt to speculate on how many men she may have slept with, but if it’s hardly any (and she’s been happily married for a while now) I also have a hell of a lot of respect for her for that reason as well.

    So she cracked a lame gag about Australians. Big bloody deal. Look up her letter to Haroon Siddiqui and then tell me she’s not a worthwhile fellow ideological warrior.

  20. Demosthenes

    she (like me) hated the seventies with a passion – it wasn’t just the monstrously hideous ‘fashion’ and muzak … She’s a fan of the clash and has an interest in British yoof subcultures, so I respect her for that as well.

    The Clash formed in 1976. Obviously their music was ahead of its time, but nevertheless.

  21. A Lurker

    So she cracked a lame gag about Australians. Big bloody deal.

    Yes, agreed, and it was lame and as an Aussie woman I took no offense – however as much I might agree with her politics and cheer that she is a fellow ideological warrior; as an author I certainly don’t agree with her method of drumming up interest in her book, and personally would have taken a different route in promoting it. However that’s just me, I’m not at all the flamboyant type, however a lot of authors (who also tend to be introverts) have to push themselves way out of their comfort zone, in order to put themselves out there, promote and get sales. It’s just something that I’m not prepared to do.

    p.s. Mind you, this bit of controversy probably has improved her sales, and exposed her work to a wider audience that otherwise would have missed seeing her book.

  22. Rabz

    The Clash formed in 1976.

    Punk was an inevitable reaction to the sheer monstrous banality of the times.

  23. Rabz

    Mind you, this bit of controversy probably has improved her sales

    It seems her book sales have certainly improved, although I’m not sure that this local controversy has contributed that much.

  24. Abu Chowdah

    Well yea, they do. I’m not being judgemental, just telling it how I’ve heard it.

    Meanwhile, it is legion that Canada has the best, totally nude strip clubs in the world. This is a fact boasted about by my many Canadian friends, including those in their diplomatic corp, as well as Yanks and Brit friends who have been to Montreal. So, who are the sluts again?

    The correct response to Shaidle’s throw away line is, of course, “har dee har, whatever.”

    By the way, I also have read her blog for a while. She’s excellent.

  25. Abu Chowdah

    The Clash formed in 1976.

    Punk was an inevitable reaction to the sheer monstrous banality of the times.

    The Fabulous T-Birds also formed around that time – as a backlash against the awful music. Like punk, but much more listenable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we7M3fsZ3Xg

  26. .

    Bring back the crazy guy from Vancouver!

    “I’m going back to waterloo where the vampires hang out. And I’m going to wear my sunglasses at night!”

  27. Abu Chowdah

    OMFG, the entire first album, straight outta Austin, Texas…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwlfyUD-luw

  28. Infidel Tiger

    Meanwhile, it is legion that Canada has the best, totally nude strip clubs in the world. This is a fact boasted about by my many Canadian friends, including those in their diplomatic corp, as well as Yanks and Brit friends who have been to Montreal. So, who are the sluts again?

    Yep. The “no touch rule” is not a rule.

  29. Abu Chowdah

    Confessions of a Failed Slut blends personal reflections – “How the Love Boat Ruined My Life” – with contrarian takes on porn (online and off), dating (ditto), “slut shaming,” sex toys, “robot hookers of the near future,” dinosaur erotica, the multiplication of genders and orientations, and what she calls “the epidemic of beta male faggotry” plaguing the land.

    Sounds like this book is a “best of” her Taki columns. I’ll definitely buy it. Thanks for the heads up, Steve.

  30. Kingsley

    I’m selling tickets to the inaugural catallaxy files “free speech”conference at a Canadian ski resort

  31. Demosthenes

    I should say straight out that I am a free speech absolutist.

    Later on you mention “protected free speech”. Is that because you’re drawing a distinction between the normative concept and the enforcement of legal rights? Or are you saying that all speech is free, it’s just that some is protected and some is not?

  32. Jazza

    What is the world coming to?
    It is losing so much but good old common sense is flowing away fast it seems to me!
    Solely by choice, I had only one sexual partner in my life–I married him,and I never desired to “know” biblically any other man,and after losing him ten and half years ago to cancer I wouldn’t consider any replacement and sleep with his photo on display on his side of our marriage bed!.
    It is called LOVE,is subsumes sex and SO MUCH more and it still makes the world go round
    But some broad with mush for brains suggests that could(should?) be equated to my state being virginity–tell her I am a mother, grandmother and great grandmother, for God’s sake!?
    Spare me ,Oh Lord ,from such idiocy,as my time is too short to waste it

    Together my beloved and I proved the old saying that if you put a dollar in jar each time you copulate, and empty and count it after two years, start again,and you will find you never fill the jar so quickly again in any two years subsequently.
    Anyone else do this research I wonder?

    Anyway,she can write or say what she likes, and I’ll defend her right to say it and rely on defamation laws as the only restriction, but I claim the exact right in reply–
    Freedom of speech is paramount!
    (Does George Brandis read here I wonder?)

  33. Together my beloved and I proved the old saying that if you put a dollar in jar each time you copulate, and empty and count it after two years, start again,and you will find you never fill the jar so quickly again in any two years subsequently.
    Anyone else do this research I wonder?

    What did you spend the money on?

  34. cynical1

    “Unlikely” because as the married, 50-year-old Shaidle explains, “my ‘number’ (as the kids call it these days) is so low that in certain Australian provinces I would still be considered a virgin.”

    In certain Australian Political parties, she would certainly be considered a virgin, let alone the suburbs.

  35. James

    Back in the day, Australian girls did have a reputation in London. Mind you, they were put in the shade by Kiwi girls [ducks].

  36. MT Isa Miner

    Jazza

    #1249523, posted on April 2, 2014 at 3:40 pm

    What is the world coming to?
    It is losing so much but good old common sense is flowing away fast it seems to me!
    Solely by choice, I had only one sexual partner in my life–I married him,and I never desired to “know” biblically any other man,and after losing him ten and half years ago to cancer I wouldn’t consider any replacement and sleep with his photo on display on his side of our marriage bed!.
    It is called LOVE,is subsumes sex and SO MUCH more and it still makes the world go round
    But some broad with mush for brains suggests that could(should?) be equated to my state being virginity–tell her I am a mother, grandmother and great grandmother, for God’s sake!?
    Spare me ,Oh Lord ,from such idiocy,as my time is too short to waste it

    Jazza, the truth will set us all free. I would pay a huge wad of cash to have ” love education” taught to the kids I know.

  37. Jesus in a rainhat! It was a throw away line, a JOKE.

    Do you know how many (hopelessly out of date) “Canadian” jibes I read at American blogs all the time, ie. “Canuckistan”? etc. Sheesh. Not to mention the often-ignorant (and sometimes well deserved) “Catholic” jokes on libertarian blogs.

    I thought Aussies had strong spines and a sense of humor, perhaps even a bawdy one — alas, another “stereotype” obviously.

    Glad to see some calm common sense among some of your commenters, though.

  38. And thanks for proving my theory that Robert Conquest was wrong:

    Everyone — even those who call themselves libertarians and conservatives — are actually liberals (easily offended, rent seeking, p.c., shocked-and-appalled liberals) on the topic of their expertise or when it comes to their own “tribe.”

  39. Senex Bibax

    As a Canadian reading this Australian blog, I can assure you that she would be considered a virgin in most Canadian provinces as well.

    According to the old saying, a Canadian is someone who can root in a canoe without falling in the lake.

  40. Sad to see that humorless retards who don’t understand the concept of Freedom, as used in the phrase “free speech” have also infested Australia. I thought we had the market cornered here in Canada.

    Just to let you know, if Steve Kates had any commitment to freedom of speech he’d have never written this column, much less taken it down because the comments were silly.

    Free speech means you’re FREE to make jokes, Steve. Shaidle is free to cast jocular aspersions on other women, just as you are free to find the joke not funny. Anything else is totalitarian censorship.

    Pick a side, Steve. Or admit which one you really picked, anyway.

  41. ChrisPer

    I have little direct knowledge, being happily married for almost 28 years, but I remember a Monty python line in ‘The Brand New Monty Python Papperbok” (1975?)

    For dragons were rare in those days, as rare indeed as an Australian virgin”

  42. bobby b

    But if I understand the comparison she is making, the implication is that Australians are so sexually out there that an Australian maid with as few liaisons as Kathy has had would not even think of herself as ever having had sex at all.
    .
    You almost have it right.
    .
    Traditionally (meaning, since back when I was in 7th grade or thereabouts), the simple phrase “Australian women” has started (non-Australian) guys’ hearts pounding and their palms sweating. There has long been an association between that phrase and either the prototypical bleached-blonde-by-the-sun, lusty, tanned and hardbodied little surfer chick, or the similarly prototypical sexily hardbodied, lusty and bold “outback sheila.”
    .
    What you describe makes it sound as though all of these sexy and desirable Australian women are hopping indiscriminately and frequently into the beds of the Australian men. As you stated, ” the implication is that Australians are so sexually out there . . .”

    Here’s the crux of your error: the truer implication is that “Australian WOMEN are so sexually out there . . . . ”
    .
    See, in our non-Australian mythos, these gorgeous Aussie women are “so sexually out there” only because their Australian mates – their guys – YOU guys – aren’t keeping them anywhere near happy and fulfilled. Sentenced to a life of frustration and cold showers, the several types of Aussie hardbodied women revolted after a fashion, putting forth huge effort in order to sculpt their bodies into beautiful and effective man-traps, and once they attained that beauty, they began aiming those killer bods at us non-Australian men. (I believe that they did initially target Australian men, too, but gave that up as a lost cause when the men would leave the bed at inopportune times to supposedly “check on the sheep”.

    So, understandably, the meme of the Australian woman as the “eager and beautiful free-spirit sexual toy” is alive and well amongst us non-Aussie guys. When we do come over there, these poor women outnumber us at like a three thousand to one ratio, and so it’s a buyer’s market, and we’re buying.
    .
    So that’s the origin of the image that the typical hot Aussie woman projects among non-Australian men. It still sometimes surprises me that Australian men haven’t caught on to the oft-repeated advice offered them by the women of “fewer sheep, more baths”, but until this happens, this will remain mostly an offshore pleasure.

  43. Old School Conservative

    What a storm in a D-cup.
    Kathie makes a joke. Some think it’s funny and forget it. Some think it’s not funny and also forget it. But as far as retracting it, NO WAY! If it “offends” of “insults” or “humiliates” you, get on the verbal offensive and argue with her. Build a wall of anti Kathie feeling. Just don’t hide/censor her comments – therein lies the way to leftist utopia.
    I am a 5 Feet of Fury reader (on and off) for many years and even though I don’t understand her all the time I like her writing.

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