Adam Goodes

Australian of the Year Adam Goodes says the Constitution is racist and ‘ancient’. He writes

If people get a better understanding of how long Aboriginal people have been here for, how we used to live, what happened when we were settled by European people and what’s happened over the last 225 years through government policies, then people might have a little bit of empathy for why Aboriginal people are still struggling out there and in some places living in very, very poor conditions.

Goodes seems to forget that his very existence is predicated on European settlement. If  Adam’s ancestors from his father’s side had not arrived in Australia he would not be playing the glorious football he has demonstrated.

The Constitution is old, yes, and that’s why it is such a wonderful document. Here is what Daniel Hannan wrote about the even older US Constitution from which some of the spirit of our Constitution is drawn.

Above all, the nature of the war [Revolutionary War], and the arguments that had preceded it, produced the greatest constitution ever drafted, designed to prevent the concentration of power and written in full awareness of man’s fallen nature. Where most national constitutions come and go every few decades (or, in South America, every couple of years), the US Constitution has served the purpose for which it was intended for more than two centuries – that is to say, it has ensured that the government is constrained and the citizen is free; that jurisdiction is dispersed; that decisions are taken as closely as possible to the people they affect; that power is balanced.

That constitution was not just an American achievement. It was, as its authors were keen to stress, the ultimate expression and vindication of the creed of the English-speaking peoples. The ideals of the rule of law, representative government, and personal liberty, ideals that had their genesis in those ancient forest meetings described by Tacitus, had found their fullest and highest expression. (How we Invented Freedom and Why it Matters)

The Australian Constitution that Goodes condemns is what allows him to enjoy his freedoms in Australia, including the freedom to condemn the Constitution. Our Constitution is the very foundation for his wonderful life in Australia.

I love watching Goodes playing football, he is one of the greatest players who ever lived. But he lacks self-awareness when it comes to criticising the society in which he lives.

(Sean Murphy)

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249 Responses to Adam Goodes

  1. A Lurker

    I don’t follow football so I cannot comment on Goodes sporting prowess.

    However his whinging skills seem to me to be exceptional.

  2. Archer

    If ever there was a reason to discontinue such awards as Australian of the Year Goodes is it.

  3. candy

    The add-on to the Constitution is to put in ‘Chapter 1′ about the original inhabitants, which the founding fathers if I can use that term could not possibly have considered in those times.
    Adam Goodes is elevated to a high position. Unlike Ita Buttrose the former A of the Year he doesn’t have background in public speeches, education, etc, so give him a fair chance to find his way.

  4. Bear Necessities

    It is funny that many Australians who want change for the future, like Adam Goodes, still live in the past.

  5. Sparkx

    Come on Candy, he is the A of the year, not the decade.

  6. Anthony

    ‘But he lacks self-awareness when it comes to criticising the society in which he lives.’

    Goodes simply lacks awareness. I hope I haven’t hurt him with that simple statement of fact but I do believe that he committed an offence against 18C when he attacked that 13-year-old-girl. That attack was as reasonable, responsible and honest as Gillard calling out misogny whenever and wherever she politically perceived it to be.

  7. Tel

    Goodes seems to forget that his very existence is predicated on European settlement. If Adam’s ancestors from his father’s side had not arrived in Australia he would not be playing the glorious football he has demonstrated.

    My father’s side of the family fled from Eastern Europe because of the war so, by accident of history, I owe my very existence to Hitler. That doesn’t make me feel inclined to think he was a top bloke or anything… it was a coincidence and nothing more than that.

  8. Rabz

    I despise Goodes with a passion, but I can thank him for my being liberated from the ALPFL.

    What I find strange is that he appears completely incapable of even realising why so many people now hold him in contempt.

    With Lady Lardarse’s race riot and now this, any amendment to the constitution has zero chance of being accepted by the electorate.

    We can be grateful for that at least.

  9. Bribiejohn

    Adam has jumped onto the bandwagon a young girl provided for him. He certainly lacks the wisdom which a knowledge of his subject would begin to provide.

    He certainly doesn’t credit the people he describes as “living in very,very poor conditions”, as having any sense. Aboriginal friends have repeatedly told me that they choose to live in what appears to the Western mind, “very,very poor conditions”.

    How rude can a person be to the people they profess to defend, when implying they have no sense. Maybe Adam is more Westernised than he cares to admit.

  10. Token

    I love watching Goodes playing football, he is one of the greatest players who ever lived. But he lacks self-awareness when it comes to criticising the society in which he lives.

    Goodes has never became captain of the Swans due to his unwillingness to hussle and lift the team week in week out when games are in the balance.

    I have watched games at the SCG where the Swans could win if he was willing to lift himself and the team with consistent effort across 100 minutes.

    It is not surprising he is bringing the same “leadership skills” to the position of Australian of the Year.

  11. Ant

    People like this are simple whingers, and will prattle on in their malcontented ways until the end of time.

    Much of what is good in his life is because of whitey, I’m afraid.

    He should use it to advance whatever good cause he likes rather than seeking to scrape at wounds – real or imagined.

    That is, if wants to get political, at least make yourself bloody useful.

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    All people should be equal under the Constitution.

    All people should be equal under the law.

    Read Orwell’s Animal Farm. If anyone is more equal than any other then society is undermined. That way lies corruption and failure.

    If the question comes up in a referendum I will vote no for this reason.

  13. Token

    My father’s side of the family fled from Eastern Europe because of the war so, by accident of history, I owe my very existence to Hitler. That doesn’t make me feel inclined to think he was a top bloke or anything… it was a coincidence and nothing more than that.

    I have a similar biography and I could obsess about the many characters which brought oppression & suffering on those Eastern Europeans, or focus on creating a productive united society in Australia.

    I know which path I chose, and it is clear Adam Goodes is determined to create division and continue the suffering of people who would be helped and heal if he did not indulge those lazy dark impulses.

  14. Lem

    Look, surely banging on and on about race, and insisting on identifying people accordingly, instead of ignoring it and accepting the proposition that we are just humans, is racist, no?

  15. Major Elvis Newton

    Adam Goodes is the box trifecta of divisive, stupid & ignorant.

    Acknowledge my ancient people but I won’t acknowledge your “ancient” Constitution.

    Only Mike Carlton could be a better choice for AOTY.

    I’d love to know which human rights lawyer is sock-puppeting this race warrior?

    BTW, who is Canadian of the Year?

    Exactly.

  16. hammy

    What I find strange is that he appears completely incapable of even realising why so many people now hold him in contempt.

    Very, very few people hold him in contempt, and they’re mainly of the racist Right (ie commenters on this blog). To the vast majority of the population he’s a hero who called out a racist insult.

  17. John Comnenus

    Hammy scores again. I not that one of our commenters calls her husband Da Hairy Ape because he has a beard, not because he is Irish (or black in Goodes case). You are simply assuming she is racist, as did Goodes ruining the girls life.

    Goodes is an appropriate Australian of the year. He has a sense of victimhood that demands entitlement by destroying the system that gave the nation the wealth to dispense entitlements in the first place.

  18. Sir Fred Lenin

    Who picks Aoty? A bunch of “progressive” people who bludge on the Taxpayer,like nearly all of goodes co-racists? What sleazy “progressive” is putting the words in goodes mouth? There is no way a ” Fooie player”speaks like that,most can barely write! Unless of course he is “stolen generation” .

  19. Badjack

    Every time this bloke opens his mouth outside of football he proves that 13 year old right. He is an ape.

  20. Watching It Unfold

    He lost me when he had a kid arrested at the football over some taunting. As a public figure, you should be able to handle that stuff. He’s not a role model, he’s just an athlete.

  21. Badjack

    Hammy…going by your photo you are an albino ape

  22. Rabz

    To the vast majority of the population he’s a hero who called out a racist insult.

    As opposed to a whiny entitled hypocritical sook who shamelessly bullied a 13 year old girl.

    Only one of the statements above is true.

  23. Token

    Goodes is an appropriate Australian of the year. He has a sense of victimhood that demands entitlement by destroying the system that gave the nation the wealth to dispense entitlements in the first place.

    Too true. History has shown Australians outside of the luvvy enclaves want inclusive and productive leaders.

    Goode’s obsession with the fundamentally incorrect lefty view of history indicates he will continue to drop culturally insensitive and divisive clangers for the rest of his term.

  24. C.L.

    Goodes’s victory over a little girl was the greatest triumph of its kind since the Big Bad Wolf.e

    “What a big eye-brow you have!”

    “The better to raise at your racism!”

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I despise Goodes with a passion, but I can thank him for my being liberated from the ALPFL.

    Yep, me too, Rabz. I was just about to attend my first football game evah with Da Hairy Irish Ape and he was so thrilled about that because he saw it as the start of something big; me and football at last. I had chosen to go to the ALPFL because the guys in it looked cute, and he had told me about this great aboriginal player called Goodes.

    Then Goodes monstered that child and instead of apologising has ridden to glory on it.
    I withdrew my support from any games involving kicking a leather ball.
    Da Hairy Ape doesn’t like Goodes any more either. Goodes doing me in for football when the persuasive Hairy Ape was so near to achieving a major win in our marital negotiations is one of the reasons for that, plus Goodes’ disgraceful behaviour ‘bullying’ (let’s use their own term back at them). Now Goodes is beating up another storm ‘bullying’ the electorate about the Constitution. He can get lost.

    But dear Rabz, I do wish you well for your big ‘O’ birthday today and tonight and may various forms of the game always be a joy to you.

  26. Badjack

    “ White people may have a bit more empathy why Aboriginal people are still struggling”
    If Aboriginal people had done what the Maoris did when the white people arrived in NZ they would get the same empathy the Maoris have experienced and still experiencing.

  27. jupes

    Adam Goodes is the box trifecta of divisive, stupid & ignorant.

    Correct. He really is as dumb as a box full of hammers.

    He has admitted that he didn’t know much about his Aboriginal history while he was growing up but has since ‘educated’ himself. He has obviously fallen for the Aboriginal industry spin hook, line and sinker.

    It is not his fault that he was named Australian of the Year, however he was responsible for the disgraceful behaviour that bizarrely led to that ‘honour’. Hopefully he continues to beclown himself and now that we have knights and dames, it leads to a rethinking about having an Australian of the Year.

  28. Blair

    “Aboriginal people have been here a lot longer than anybody else”
    Given the life expectancy rates of Aborigines, I reckon that Aboriginal people don’t last as long in Australia as non-Aboriginal people.

  29. candy

    He did bully that child caught up in his own thoughts of racism against himself, but maybe he’s learnt from that and will do something worthwhile in his position as AotY? You never know, people can surprise you.

  30. Token

    As opposed to a whiny entitled hypocritical sook who shamelessly bullied a 13 year old girl.

    I recall that at the time Goodes thought the actions of the AFL & MCG authorities were too harsh for the “crime”. Strangely he has backed away from those original statements as he realised the the degree of unregulated power he has to act as an arbitrary unelected censor of Australian society.

    Nova Peris has faced an election. He has been foisted upon the people like an EU commissar.

  31. Michel Lasouris

    Australia Day was Invasion Day
    And the Aborigines Lost
    Get over it
    Be Glad it was the British
    And not the French,
    Spanish, Portuguese, Belgians, Germans or Dutch
    Be even more pleased it wasn’t the Japanese
    Else you’d not be here to complain.
    Forget reconciliation, restitution and recompense
    Just chill out and Join in

  32. entropy

    The seven commandments of Animalism:
    1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
    2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
    3. No animal shall wear clothes.
    4. No animal shall sleep in a bed.
    5. No animal shall drink alcohol.
    6. No animal shall kill any other animal.
    7. All animals are equal.

    The seven commandments of Animalism, as revised by Napoleon:
    1.Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy (although later, Four legs good, two legs better).
    2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
    3. No animal shall wear clothes.
    4. No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets.
    5. No animal shall drink alcohol to excess.
    6.No animal shall kill any other animal without cause.
    7. All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others

  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s not his fault he was named Australian of the Year

    Wouldn’t he have been asked if he would accept beforehand?

  34. Rabz

    Thanks Lizzie – footy season has commenced, but of course our first game (tomorrow) has been washed out.

    Which is convenient because I wouldn’t have been up for it anyway!

  35. Ant

    How we lived ?

    His statement is disingenuous and ridiculous.

    Anytime you hear some fool go with the ‘noble savage’ screed you know he’s a complete ignoramus nitwit.

    Nothing is stopping him from living the lifestyle he idealises. So what’s stopping him?

    It seems he still has some contact with reality, hence his disingenuousness and deceit.

    Just like his abuse of the poor 13 year old.

  36. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Badjack at 9:22 am:

    “Every time this bloke opens his mouth outside of football he proves that 13 year old right. He is an ape.”

    That’s succinct and accurate.

    I’d not previously much noticed the big black wealthy bully boy with the chip on his shoulder for no good reason. I have now.

    What I see is two months into the job he has come up with two publicised efforts, both spitting racist hatred. He’ll swagger to the front regularly to do the same monthly until Christmas and end his term having achieved nothing for the infant girl in Wadeye or Aurukun who sits trembling this morning after being done over by a drunken noble savage last night, confused, alone and forgotten by the likes of big tough Adam who will do nothing – nothing – to prevent the savaging she’ll get again tonight. What she’s enduring has nothing to do with whitey.

    Goodes is no more than a privileged, big mouthed, gutless bullship artist.

  37. john constantine

    so as the left continue the long march to de-westernise australia,what will happen to indigineous australians?. rallies for special rights for aboriginals are so white skinned that they could pass as klu klux klan rallies. come the day that over 50% of the australian parliment is obviously non western in heritage,claims for special spending for aboriginal issues will have to come out of the bucket that funds all the shantytowns that the big australia of 50 million draws from.

    50 million australians dilute concern for aboriginal issues down to asian average levels. tell a hard studying chinese australian that her child has to make way for an aboriginal quota. try explianing to your average chinese australian that because it isn’t indigineous culture to study,it isn’t required for them,and it is cultural genocide to demand it. every chinese response to this argument i have heard,indicates that the clock is at ten minutes to midnight for special funding for indigineous issues….[why aren’t there quotas for chinese australians in the afl? is it racist for demetriou not to have introduced an ‘asian round’ alongside all the other issue of the week rounds?.

  38. jupes

    … but maybe he’s learnt from that …

    Yeah sure candy, that’s why he’s still doubling down on the stupid.

  39. Dismissive

    Ok, sorry for the length of this but I posted it last night at the dead end of the Wednesday forum. I note that Bolt’s Blog is full of the same stuff as this from actual historians.

    “In Section 25 in the Constitution, the states can ban people from voting based on their race,’’ he said.

    This is not a racist part of the constitution, this is a punishment for states. The constitution says whoever can vote in the state elections can vote in federal ones. Section 30:

    30. Until the Parliament otherwise provides, the qualification of electors of members of the House of Representatives shall be in each State that which is prescribed by the law of the State as the qualification of electors of the more numerous House of Parliament of the State; but in the choosing of members each elector shall vote only once.

    Section 25 is a corollary to section 24 which defines the number of seats that each state gets. It translates as, if they don’t get a vote, you can’t count them for your seat quota.

    25. For the purposes of the last section, if by the law of any State all persons of any race are disqualified from voting at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of the State, then, in reckoning the number of the people of the State or of the Commonwealth, persons of the race resident in that State shall not be counted.

    If you are going to pick on the constitution, at least read it properly.

  40. duncanm

    Ok.. I think Goodes is a bully for attacking the 13yo.

    I looked at that article.. there are a couple of valid points

    - Sec25 should be repealed. It serves no purpose, and can enable the states to be racist (there, I said it)

    But to be consistent – there should be no reference to any race in the consitution.

  41. duncanm

    btw, I understand the reasoning behind Sec25, but it has served its purpose, and if the state laws are properly aligned (ie: cannot exclude voting rights based on race), then Sec25 should be repealed.

  42. jupes

    … how we used to live …

    Well that would have been in a mini totalitarian state aka a tribe.

    The lifestyle included ritual violence, violence between tribes, girls forced to marry old men (aka rape), irrational punishments e.g. violent punishment just for being with someone who had an accident, no doctors, no dentists and minimal protection from the elements.

    It is an incontrovertible fact that the Aboriginal lifestyle improved apon contact with settlers.

  43. john constantine

    the abc tribe dreams of the day that all australian society falls in lock step with the way the abc dreams the noble savages lived before western invasion day. everyones life is laid out without doubt from birth,no response to any situation except the traditional response is permitted. fifty thousand years without engineering innovation is proof enough that the big man hunters said that the science was settled 50,000 years ago,and clubbed the geeks and nerds on the head,cut their kidneys out,and replaced the vital organs with shards of quartz as punishment,every time someone tried inventing the wheel. a response during the ‘afl sodomy round’ from goodes about the ancient tribal penalties for homosexuality,but not pedophilia might be interesting. also comments on the interesting situation of how many asian australian women pick tall but undistinguished caucasians as husbands,but asian australian women ignore tall strongly built aboriginal men as partners.would goodes or the abc call that racist?.

  44. Dismissive

    duncanm

    Its the state’s decison on who votes- FEDERATION!
    Section 25 punishes them for racist behaviour. If you want to remove all reference to race, you need to amend section 25 like this for example …

    25. For the purposes of the last section, if by the law of any State all any persons of any race are disqualified from voting at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of the State, then, in reckoning the number of the people of the State or of the Commonwealth, persons of the race resident in that State shall not be counted.

    Deleting Section 25 is not a good idea.

  45. tomix

    No it’s not. Contact destroyed their culture.

  46. TOP

    That 13 year old girl was right when she called Goodes an ape.

    Goode’s selection as Australian of The Year is an indictment to the selectors of the “gong” which I find offensive.

    The man is a “dope” elevated to a “A well known Dope!” His exhibit of his aboriginal “heritage” demonstrates where aboriginals would still be if it wasn’t for European settlement……in the bush, struggling to survive beyond 25…….they didn’t even have a wheel or any form of writing……in other words, they were doomed to extinction…..all by themselves!

  47. Ian of Perth

    Great footballer, crap AOTY!

  48. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From john constantine at 10:37 am:

    “the abc tribe dreams of the day that all … “

    John, you are making many salient points but it is bloody hard reading without basic formatting, punctuation, capitalisation where necessary and the like.

  49. Leo G

    Surely Adam Goodes is an ideal Australian of the Year in country where so many electors knowingly prefer the Manchurian Candidate in any political contest.

  50. James of the Glen

    Goodes is part European and obviously would not be here were it not for his European ancestors.

    His bullying of the 13 year old girl was an utter disgrace, and as usual, other bullies and abusers were immediately attracted to the scene, most notably Eddie “King Kong” Maguire.

    When anti-”racism” is presented as some absolute and noble virtue there will be any number of the morally vain scrambling and tripping over each other as they mount the pinnacle of the pile.
    Unsurprisingly, the hamster is proclaiming his presence as he claws his way up the infamous mound.

  51. jupes

    Contact destroyed their culture.

    Which would be a good thing if it was true. Unfortunately enough of their culture survived to hold them back.

  52. nerblnob

    We were all hunter-gatherers 30,000 years ago. (If we are going to talk like we ourselves were actually here 30,000 years ago).

    It’s pretty much reckoned that Britain only started moving from H-G to farming about 5000 years ago.

    It was far more likely to have been the result of invaders than local evolution.

    That’s how the world works, that’s why humans are the victorious species. We don’t all have to think of the good idea independently, only one person does, then it can spread. Communication.

  53. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Goodes is part European

    As I posted on the other thread, isn’t his father European?

  54. Bruce

    What do you get when you cross a kelpie with cocker spaniel ? A strange looking mongrel with emphasis on mongrel.

  55. Baldrick

    Goodes greatest claims to fame:
    a) he can kick a piece of faux leather around a paddock better than most others, and
    b) he instigated the bullying of a 13 year old girl.

    Frankly, I don’t give a toss what he reckons is right or wrong. Like … it’s not as if his opinion matters!

  56. tomix

    Michael Long was doing the Goodes thing during the days of Howard, and getting plenty of publicity.

    Then he struck legal problems in Darwin and disappeared. Has Goodesy got better stage managers?

  57. Gab

    Sec25 should be repealed. It serves no purpose, and can enable the states to be racist (there, I said it)

    As Keith Windschuttle and Anne Twoomey point out, section 25 does the opposite:

    The framers of the constitution included [Section 25] to force recalcitrant states into giving Aborigines the vote. The two principal targets were Western Australia and Queensland, which in the 1890s denied the vote to full blood Aborigines. Section 25 held as long as they did this the comparatively large Aboriginal populations of those states could not be used to inflate the number of lower house seats each state would get in the new Federal Parliament. In other words, states that denied Aborigines the vote would get fewer representatives.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/our_constitution_is_not_racist_and_goodes_and_his_supporters_will_only_make/

  58. Gab

    He has been foisted upon the people like an EU commissar.

    lol. You get my vote for quote of the day, Token.

  59. JMH

    For the record, I’ve called all footballers apes for decades. Nothing has changed.

    And for the record, I had intended to submit a “no” vote to any proposed change to our Constitution. Goodes’ propensity to divide by race on-racial grounds has simply reinforced my position.

    Adam Goodes is, clearly, an embarrassment as Australian of the Year. AOTY means nothing at all any more and the rot really set in when super-idiot, Flannery got the gong.

  60. duncanm

    Dismissive:

    25. For the purposes of the last section, if by the law of any State all any persons of any race are disqualified from voting at elections for the more numerous House of the Parliament of the State, then, in reckoning the number of the people of the State or of the Commonwealth, persons of the race so disqualified, resident in that State shall not be counted.

    I like your proposal more.
    -
    Gab (and others), I get it: The intention at the time was to discourage the states from excluding voters based on race.

    But fast-forward to today – it no longer serves that purpose. I think all references to race (incl. Sec51 xxvi) should be removed; and not, in the latter case, replaced with some other window of opportunity for race-based welfare.

  61. Gab

    But fast-forward to today – it no longer serves that purpose

    It serves the purpose of not excluding any peoples based on race. Any “race”, now and in the future, for how can any of us, today, predict what future governments will be and how they will be inclined towards the question of “race”.

  62. stackja

    TA wanted to change the Australian Constitution to, I believe, acknowledge those who were here before the arrival of Europeans. A noble gesture which I supported! Adam Goodes just convinced me not to support the TA noble gesture.

  63. srr

    He has been foisted upon the people like an EU commissar.

    Shit, lucky the people aren’t Ukrainian, or you would be declaring him the saviour of the nation.

  64. Tintarella di Luna

    With Lady Lardarse’s race riot and now this, any amendment to the constitution has zero chance of being accepted by the electorate.

    We can be grateful for that at least.

    And if at some point a book deal could be done with Tony Hodges or he is spirited back here for an interview with say Andrew Bolt — all would be well with my world for that moment in time

  65. Tintarella di Luna

    If I had a vote my Australian of the Year would be Dallas Scott, educated, sensible, wise and erudite not only on the subject of aboriginality but on many others.

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And Bess Price

    As “Dictator for a Day” I would ban sports persons and entertainers from EVER being Australian of the Year – oh and environmentalists.

  67. JohnA

    Michel Lasouris #1253066, posted on April 5, 2014 at 9:39 am

    Australia Day was Invasion Day
    And the Aborigines Lost
    Get over it
    Be Glad it was the British
    And not the French,
    Spanish, Portuguese, Belgians, Germans or Dutch
    Be even more pleased it wasn’t the Japanese
    Else you’d not be here to complain.
    Forget reconciliation, restitution and recompense
    Just chill out and Join in

    Yes, and that is why whenever I have to hear/see a “welcome to country” ceremony, I pray silently (to the God Who really owns all the land) for the whole sham to be exposed.

    If the meme is that this land was invaded and “they” lost, what the hell does a welcome to country mean? The “losers” would not be welcoming anyone, surely?

  68. Tintarella di Luna

    T

    hat’s how the world works, that’s why humans are the victorious species. We don’t all have to think of the good idea independently, only one person does, then it can spread. Communication.

    and mobility

  69. Tintarella di Luna

    And Bess Price.

    Too Right — maybe Australian of the Year could be a male and female and/or a neither –

  70. Up The Workers!

    Adam Goodes’ skills are in his feet – at entirely the other end of his anatomy from the place where his brain cells are holidaying.

    His contribution to the national debate on freedom of speech and precisely what it is that constitutes ‘racism’, is about as helpful as “Carbon Cate” Blanchett’s contribution via her comical “Get-Up” advert a year or two ago, to the Brown Movement gerbil worming fairy tale.

    Her skills are in her acting – obviously NOT in her thinking.

  71. Hendrix

    Goodes is getting absolutely hammered in the comments section of the herald sun. Ordinary Australians sick of being told they’re racist.

  72. marg of nambour

    Sir Fred Lenin 9.21am
    Who Picks AOTY?

    Timeline:

    From AOTY’s website – FAQ:

    Nominations are short-listed in their relevant state or territory.
    An expert selection panel selects the state/territory finalists and recipients in each Award category.
    State and territory finalists and recipients are announced at functions in November.
    State and territory recipients become the national finalists and proceed to the national level of judging.
    The National Australia Day Council Board selects the national recipients in each Award category.
    National recipients are announced on Australia Day eve in Canberra.

    When do nominations open and close?

    Nominations for the 2015 Awards are now open and will close on 1 August 2014.

    4 September, 2013, (just three days before the election):

    ” PM Rudd announces a $300,000 grant to the Adam Goodes Go Foundation”:

  73. marg of nambour

    Goodes the Qantas Ambassador:

    “Qantas is looking forward to working with Adam to engage and educate our employees and customers in our reconciliation program…”

  74. marg of nambour

    Maybe it was decided that making Adam Goodes Australian of the Year would help in raising his profile for a possible future in politics. If so, I don’t think his recent writings will help further this aim.


  75. lem

    “Qantas is looking forward to working with Adam to engage and educate our employees and customers in our reconciliation program…”

    Qantas has a reconciliation programme? Hahahahahahahahahaha

  76. “Qantas is looking forward to working with Adam to engage and educate our employees and customers in our reconciliation program…”

    Reason #134 for getting rid of your Qantas shares, Marg.

  77. Gab

    Adam to engage and educate our employees and customers in our reconciliation program…

    FFS! just fly the planes on time and get your customers there safely. That’s all you have to do Qantas not “educate” and pontificate to customers, you sanctimonious bunch of freaks. Stick to your knitting.

  78. mareeS

    I don’t hold Adam Goodes in contempt, because I haven’t a clue about him, other than that he plays football of a type. How was he made Australian of the year? I still haven’t gotten my head around that. He’s a nobody made famous by abusing a 13yo girl.

  79. jupes

    He’s a nobody made famous by abusing a 13yo girl.

    It shows how exaggerated claims of racial prejudice are in this country that they can pretend such a truly pathetic incident is a noble stand against racism, rather than the act of bullying that it was.

    That the bully was then named the Australian of the Year indicates how far Australia has fallen as a nation.

  80. Baldrick

    FFS! just fly the planes on time and get your customers there safely. That’s all you have to do Qantas not “educate” and pontificate to customers, you sanctimonious bunch of freaks. Stick to your knitting.

    What next? Private health insurance companies with reconciliation action plans … wait a minute!

    Even the Sydney Opera House has a reconciliation action plan! Go figure.

  81. Baldrick

    Even Taronga Zoo has a reconciliation action plan … apes included!

  82. egg_

    He’s a nobody made famous by abusing a 13yo girl.

    Typical grandstanding Leftwing thug.

  83. Dave Wane

    Goodes seems to forget that his very existence is predicated on European settlement. If Adam’s ancestors from his father’s side had not arrived in Australia he would not be playing the glorious football he has demonstrated

    Exactly, Goodes, like so many people with Aboriginal ancestry, seems to conveniently forget his European heritage, and concentrate only on his Aboriginal side.

    As for the words uttered from the girl, likening Goodes to an “ape”: whilst one can certainly see why someone would say that, given Goodes’ facial hair and dark skin, it should never be a crime to call anyone any name whatsoever.

    Prior to Whitlam, Australia had none of these crazy and completely unnecessary “anti-discrimination” laws, yet our nation was a far more harmonious place than it is today.

    It therefore seems to me that the “anti-discrimination caravan” has achieved nothing of any value. However it has most definitely caused large numbers of people jump on the anti-discrimination band wagon whenever the opportunity presents itself. Whether it is “poor-bugger-me” Adam Goodes, or a bunch of very white-skinned “privileged” ABC employees who claim to be Aborigines; the lawyers and assorted taxpayer-funded interventionists appear to be the only winners.

    If ever there was a very good argument for not making unnecessary laws: The creation of Anti-Discrimination Laws would have to be right up there with the most unnecessary. A free society does not make opinions, no matter how distasteful, against the law.

  84. squawkbox

    Out of curiosity, does any other country on earth have a of the year? Is there an American of the Year, or Frenchman of the Year, or Uzbekistani of the Year?

  85. squawkbox

    Whoops, I mean “national-of-your-choice” of the year. The whole concept reeks of childishness and insecurity.

  86. stackja

    squawkbox
    #1253446, posted on April 5, 2014 at 4:30 pm
    Out of curiosity, does any other country on earth have a of the year? Is there an American of the Year, or Frenchman of the Year, or Uzbekistani of the Year?

    Time magazine award comes closest!
    BTW Australian of the Year 1960 Sir Macfarlane Burnet OM AK KBE Winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine

  87. Robbo

    Silly me but I thought that a person named as Australian Of The Year would try hard to bring warmth and harmony to the nation. I must be wrong because Adam Goodes is doing the exact opposite. Is he just stupid and doesn’t understand that his statements are divisive, antagonistic, racist and wrong, or is he following a deliberate agenda to try and destroy the reputation of Australia internationally? He is a good footballer but after that he has no redeeming features in my eyes. I despise his feigned outrage and his constant whining about how bad things are for aborigines because in his speaking out he twists the facts and maligns the majority. I just wish he would shut up but of course that will not happen.

  88. Up The Workers!

    Some footballers have the talent to ‘kick’ the ball expertly with either their feet, or their head.

    Adam Goodes does not have that talent.

    Instead, he seems to be developing a talent to piss lots of people off by speaking both loudly and idiotically, through his fundament.

    Perhaps we would all be better off if Adam Goodes and Professor Stephen Hawking could come to an agreement that GOODES will spend his time kicking footballs, and Professor Hawking will henceforth look after the ‘thinking Department’!

  89. David Black

    Until that incident, I had no idea that “ape” was a term of derision for aborigines. (I’m still not sure that it is.) I would have thought that it would apply to footballers in general.
    What happened to that girl (who was doing it tough already) was literally criminal – separating her from her adult companons and holding her in custody. She paid a heavy price for one moment of adolescent silliness.
    And didn’t Goodes look like a dork – pointing her out so dramatically – “She done it!”

  90. Anne

    If people get a better understanding of how long Aboriginal people have been here for, how we used to live, what happened when we were settled by European people and what’s happened over the last 225 years through government policies, then people might have a little bit of empathy for why Aboriginal people are still struggling out there and in some places living in very, very poor conditions.

    What?

    225 years ago the Aborigines were in the Stone Age!

  91. David Black

    225 years ago the Aborigines were in the Stone Age!In the Mesolithic to be precise.
    By contrast, the Flintstones had made it into the Neolithic.

  92. amy222

    Good old aussie expression, ‘Pull your woolly head in’. I guess that is now a rascist comment in some places!

  93. john constantine

    australian of the year used to be for someone that had made an effort to do good in australian society.

    australian of the year now is aimed to have an impact on steering the national conversation in the correct direction,and raise peoples awareness of what the right sort desire that direction to be.

  94. Anne

    David Black
    #1253494, posted on April 5, 2014 at 5:12 pm
    225 years ago the Aborigines were in the Stone Age!In the Mesolithic to be precise.
    By contrast, the Flintstones had made it into the Neolithic.

    Thanks David. Did they have Civic Awards in that period?

  95. A Lurker

    Mesolithic – not much happened except for hunting and gathering and attempting to survive the Ice Age. The high point (in Europe) seemed to be the Venus of Willendorf mother-statuette, and some impressive cave paintings in France.

    Neolithic – loads happened. Agriculture. Permanent settlements. Early villages. Early political structures. Proto-religions. Proto-science including developing Astronomy. Stonehenge. Stone circles everywhere. Chambered barrow tombs. Silbury Hill. White Horse of Uffington. The Sphinx. Early pyramids. Hill forts. Lots of sculpture (especially early pottery) plus innovations like mining gold, mining bronze, mining nickel, which eventually lead onto the bronze age and better weapon technology.

    My civic award goes to the Neolithic people since before then there was no ‘civic’ only temporary settlements seasonally abandoned as tribes up and left following game.

  96. Notafan

    Goodes is doing a great job ensuring no-one will vote yes in this referendum.
    I used to wonder why Aboriginal women wanted to work for settlers but after reading the Windshuttle papers it was clear to me why so many did, and why so many married or had relationships with white men. The truth about the evils of so called Aboriginal culture need to be in the public domain but all new Australians hear is the whitewashed version.
    White rape, indeed!

  97. David Black

    Anne, I think Fred Flinstone would have qualified for having invented the wheel, domesticated some animals and living in the town of Bedrock.

  98. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    all new Australians hear is the whitewashed version.

    Various members of the Two Alpha family ran cattle stations in the Territory and the Kimberly’s. They recorded that the young Aboriginal men preferred to work on the stations because they were free of tribal law , with the absolute tyranny of the old men, who got the first pick of everything, and the million and one taboos of that law.

  99. .

    squawkbox
    #1253446, posted on April 5, 2014 at 4:30 pm
    Out of curiosity, does any other country on earth have a of the year? Is there an American of the Year, or Frenchman of the Year, or Uzbekistani of the Year?

    The award is a fucking joke. Let’s get rid of it. It will take thousands of years to forget we ever had such an embarrassing gong.

  100. oldsalt

    Heeyaaah man, baimbai Aunty Alisom mob lego Seelpee, Seelpee em in resis tumas! Nambawan bosman Gile em i blow in olsem tourist wan eh, em i gammon kamap daun saut mexico way gammon sitdaun long Bighaus Pollywood bilong South Irian, Seelpee em i gammon tekim mani tumas bilong yumimob, em i tumas humbug more better eh yumimob kikimaut olsem kungfu kwiktaim laik this wan eh, tru wan eh marlaga?

  101. egg_

    So Goodes wouldn’t enjoy the Kinks hit?

  102. duncanm

    If Goodes wants to do some good, and combat racism, he could start by getting the AFL to sever all ties with Etihad. A truly racist airline.

  103. Hasbeen

    Who on earth is responsible for choosing the Australian of the year, some lefty academics.

    It really is disgusting for Oz to have a thug like this bloke as a representative.

  104. I had a conversation with some of my family members about the “ape” comment. None of them, across 2 states had even heard the word used as a racial slur. One granddaughter acknowledged he looked like an ape, but that was his features, nothing to do with colour. As regards the constitution, I will never vote for any inclusion of recognition of Indigenous people until we have a more acceptable, watertight definition of Indigenous. Canada, and most Native American tribes insist on a quantum of blood in anyone legally recognised as Indian.

  105. Yobbo

    If you can’t understand how comparing someone to a primate can be considered racist then you are just a little bit retarded.

  106. Gab

    oh hush up, you big ape.

  107. Sinclair Davidson

    Yobbo – that’s why we need the police to intimidate and humiliate 13 year old girls.

  108. It’s a sad day when one can’t call a human being a primate.

  109. Tel

    If you can’t understand how comparing someone to a primate can be considered racist then you are just a little bit retarded.

    The sooner we can get the progressives to apologise for shamefully calling Greorge Bush a “chimp” the sooner we can make genuine progress on this important issue.

  110. duncanm

    “retarded” is ok – its not racist, it insults stupid people.

    “ape” is not ok – it could be construed as applying to a race of people.

    See.. this is why we need a law

    /sarc

  111. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    My civic award goes to the Neolithic people since before then there was no ‘civic’ only temporary settlements seasonally abandoned as tribes up and left following game.

    +1, Ma’am Lurker.

  112. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    If you can’t understand how comparing someone to a primate can be considered racist then you are just a little bit retarded.

    Oh Da Poor Hairy Irish Ape!! Eugene O’Neil and I must be retarded, and stand corrected.

    For me, it’s a joke, Joyce, and one enjoyed by the hairy and Irish recipient male primate. Don’t know about Eugene, he lived in the past, which is another country where they do things differently.

  113. Token

    Yobbo – that’s why we need the police to intimidate and humiliate 13 year old girls.

    Don’t forget illegally detaining & brow-beating a minor for 2 hours without supervision of a guardian. This are critical to creating a “better” lefty society.

  114. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    What I see is two months into the job he has come up with two publicised efforts, both spitting racist hatred. He’ll swagger to the front regularly to do the same monthly until Christmas and end his term having achieved nothing for the infant girl in Wadeye or Aurukun who sits trembling this morning after being done over by a drunken noble savage last night, confused, alone and forgotten by the likes of big tough Adam who will do nothing – nothing – to prevent the savaging she’ll get again tonight. What she’s enduring has nothing to do with whitey.

    Worth repeating, Mick. Telling stuff; power of the pen.

  115. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    April 6, 7.29am EST, from somewhere on the planet: Doomlord Speaks!
    He has not left us, the Omniscient One.

  116. Yobbo

    Yobbo – that’s why we need the police to intimidate and humiliate 13 year old girls.

    She was ejected by private security from a private venue for violating a longstanding AFL regulation. Let’s not beat it up too much.

    Adam Goodes did not call the police, they got involved on their own.

    The rule against racial vilification was brought in because of Colllingwood fans. You guys who think she didn’t mean it are kidding yourselves.

  117. egg_

    If you can’t understand how comparing someone to a primate can be considered racist then you are just a little bit retarded.

    Goodes is obviously no bigger an adult than the 13yo footy fan and it is he who should be ashamed of himself for the unnecessary beat up and harsh treatment of a minor.

  118. mundi

    People forgot how bad it used to be at the football. I went to the 2003 grand final and their were collingwood fans openly shouting for leon davis to be lynched and calling him a useless n*****.

    Having said that, I am not sure at all what Goodes is trying to say.

    Yes alot of aboriginals are still poor and living in poor conditions, but they are all living orders of magnitude better than they did pre-settlement.

    I wonder if Goodes believes he would be where he is today if his mother was not taken in by a family of (presumably) higher socio economic standing?

    As for recognition in the constitution. Why? Everyone should get equal rights. The only thing they need to take away is the bit about allowing votes to be determined by race. Adding a preample or some rubbish just for the sake of ‘recognition’ is absolutely pointless legally, and if Abbott tries to do it, it will once again be voted down.

  119. Leigh Lowe

    Surely calling someone an Ape is speciest, not racist, and, to my knowledge we don’t have a Species Discrimination Act.
    No problem.

  120. hammy

    if Abbott tries to do it, it will once again be voted down.

    If that happens, it will prove once again that Australians are the most racist people on the planet. I’m so ashamed to be an Australian.

  121. mundi

    Also, I have never understood ‘reconciliation’ at all.

    Are westerns saying they are ‘sorry’ for improving aboriginal living standards? Or just sorry they didn’t do a better job? Or sorry that they did it at all – should have left them as a pre-stonage society?

  122. Gab

    Also, I have never understood ‘reconciliation’ at all. Are westerns saying they are ‘sorry’ for improving aboriginal living standards? Or just sorry they didn’t do a better job? Or sorry that they did it at all – should have left them as a pre-stonage society?

    My questions exactly! Apparently we are sorry for all of that but also sorry for the bad things done to Aborigines (and that did occur) in the past and we musxt forever be sorry about those things in the past forever into the future.

    We can say sorry on a daily basis but there will be no “reconciliation” while the Aboriginal activists refuse to forgive the things that were perpetrated upon their ancestors by whitey. There is no victimhood industry once the aggrieved forgive. QED.

  123. hammy

    If you can’t understand how comparing someone to a primate can be considered racist then you are just a little bit retarded.

    Yobbo is absolutely correct. Those of us on the left seem to understand what conservatives simply cannot or will not grasp. I guess it’s just a matter of intelligence.

  124. Gab

    Oh do shut up, you big ape.

  125. Yobbo and Hammy, natheless, insult Goodes far more than anyone who called him an ape. Not only should we not call Goodes a primate, they reckon he should not even be compared with a primate. They claim, therefore, that Goodes is not just lower than any hominin, not just lower than a simian, but lower even than a lemur on the evolutionary scale. With what sort of mammal (if we may keep within that class), Yobbo and Hammy, outside of the Primates order, is Goodes best compared? A felid? a canid? a rodent?

  126. hammy

    Deadman, you are just being thick-headed. I can’t speak for Yobbo, but I suspect very strongly that he agrees with me that Goodes is a fine human being, not an animal which you are asserting he is. Why can’t conservatives grasp this simple truth?

  127. Gab

    Stop being such a sensitive wimp, hammy.

  128. Des Deskperson

    The real point about Goodes, the benchmark of his integrity and commitment to fighting discrimination, was the difference in his reaction to racism when it’s a rich powerful white man rather than a poor, marginalised white girl.

    Eddie McGuire’s racist comments were exponentially worse than those of the girl. It was a long rant that clearly embarrassed his radio co-host and even sounded like it might have been scripted beforehand. Eddie is supposed to be one of the faces of a new caring sharing AFL, presumably paid megabucks precisely not to say or encourage anything remotely racist. Slurs from a person like Eddie are far more damaging to the image of the AFL and its long hyped crusade against racism than a couple of words from a lone bogan in the crowd.

    Goodes should have demanded Eddie’s immediate resignation from all AFL jobs, boards etc, at least as the starting point for negotiations over reparations. Instead, he simply said that he was disappointed with Eddie and ‘graciously’ accepted an apology. ‘Disappointed’ is what you say to your mate who dinted your car, not to someone who’s just insulted you and your race.

  129. you and your race

    When you are, say, part European (namely, English, Irish and Scottish) and part Australian Aboriginal by descent, Des Deskperson, what exactly is your race?

  130. hammy

    what exactly is your race?

    He was insulted because he was perceived to be of the aboriginal race (which he proudly doesn’t resile from), rather than for having European ancestors.

  131. Gab

    He was insulted because he was perceived to be of the aboriginal race (

    He reviles his European ancestors and his European Dad based on skin colour. How sick is that?

  132. hammy

    You know very well there is no evidence he “reviles” his European ancestors. You’re just making that up.

  133. Gab

    Since when do you even bother with evidence? LOL

  134. Tel

    Yobbo is absolutely correct. Those of us on the left seem to understand what conservatives simply cannot or will not grasp. I guess it’s just a matter of intelligence.

    Good, good, still waiting for that public apology for this:

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1214-03.htm

  135. JC

    She was ejected by private security from a private venue for violating a longstanding AFL regulation. Let’s not beat it up too much.

    The MCG is not a private owned venue, Yobbo. It may be set up in terms of a trust but government money is in there by the buckload.

    Adam Goodes did not call the police, they got involved on their own.

    He lapped it up. Lapped it up that the cops held a 13 year old girl for several hours because she called him an ape. What a pansy.

    The rule against racial vilification was brought in because of Colllingwood fans. You guys who think she didn’t mean it are kidding yourselves.

    So what? Do you understand that Melbourne people have almost no experience with aboriginals. I don’t think I’ve seen an aboriginal in the street for the past decade. Goodes doesn’t look indig, but he certainly looks like an oaf with that uni.brow.

  136. He was insulted because he was perceived to be of the aboriginal race

    He was insulted because he had a beard and a monobrow.

    If the little girl had called him a ‘black bastard’, or an ‘n-word’, or a ‘coon’ or anything else, then he would have been insulted because of his perceived Aboriginality.

    Calling someone an ape is NOT racially charged, except in Adam Goodes’ imagination. And that’s where the whole case falls down, because you can’t legislate to protect everyone from wounded feelings and perceived racial insults.

  137. Goodes is a fine human being

    Evidence for this, please?

    I see a privileged, wealthy bully.

  138. He was insulted because he had a beard and a monobrow.

    Well, Goodes was insulted because the girl’s team were being thrashed by his team and he was playing well. Having decided to abuse him the girl picked on his obvious features—the beard and monobrow does help to give Goodes a vaguely simian appearance at times, particularly when he sulks (which is often)—and referred to him as an ape in the hope, surely, that such scorn, if he heard it, might put him off his game; after all, there’s no point in yelling pleasant comments to someone whom you’re trying to peeve: shouting “You’re playing rather well tonight, you tall, fit, wealthy player you” would hardly irk him much, and would be unlikely to provide much catharsis* to the girl. Unfortunately, hearing the girl’s contumely made Goodes feel “shattered”, the poor lamb.

    * similarly, a soft answer turneth away wrath but a very harsh tetragram turneth away the pain of, say, a hammered thumb far better, tests prove.

  139. nerblnob

    The rule against racial vilification was brought in because of Colllingwood fans. You guys who think she didn’t mean it are kidding yourselves.

    Collingwood barrackers are by far the most ethnically diverse bunch of any AFL team’s. An attack on them is an attack on multiculturalism.

    Any good player gets insulted by the opposing supporters and often by his own. Twas ever thus. “Ape” is only one of the commonly used insults I’ve been hearing since schooldays. You wonder if some of the media figures pontificating about this incident have ever been to a grassroots footy game.

  140. Des Deskperson

    ‘Goodes is a fine human being’

    He may well have been once, but I reckon he’s finished now as a person of any integrity. One of the key negative outcomes of this whole affair may be Goodes turning into some sort of Al Sharpton

  141. A Lurker

    If that happens, it will prove once again that Australians are the most racist people on the planet. I’m so ashamed to be an Australian.

    @ Hammy, no one is keeping you here. You are free to up sticks and move someplace else and identify as something else (North Korea seems a good fit). The door is thataway. Don’t let it hit you on the way out.

  142. nerblnob

    I agree with hammy. I’m also ashamed he’s an Australian.

  143. Write one

    I have to agree totally with the comments of Michel Lasouris:

    #1253066, posted on April 5, 2014 at 9:39 am
    Australia Day was Invasion Day
    And the Aborigines Lost
    Get over it
    Be Glad it was the British
    And not the French,
    Spanish, Portuguese, Belgians, Germans or Dutch
    Be even more pleased it wasn’t the Japanese
    Else you’d not be here to complain.
    Forget reconciliation, restitution and recompense
    Just chill out and Join in

    OR

  144. Write one

    In future why don’t the poor offended souls just contact the Australian Head Of State, (not the local GG) the one whom resides somewhere in the U.K.) and make all of your claims for compensation directly with her!!!

    We are essentially the hard working TAX paying citizens of this great country and should never, ever be held liable for contemptible decisions made by our far too well paid – lofty leaders, both locally & abroad.

    Make them all accountable directly out of their own pockets for any past, present and/or future erroneous decisions, good, bad or indifferent.

    As they certainly lay claim when the going is good…

  145. Yobbo

    So what? Do you understand that Melbourne people have almost no experience with aboriginals.

    So What? So the people who are saying there is nothing wrong with calling an aboriginal person an ape are kidding themselves.

  146. Blogstrop

    Hammy’s pretend leftism is getting quite a workout.

  147. Calling someone an ape is NOT racially charged, except in Adam Goodes’ imagination.

    You have short memories.
    From Wikipaedia -

    In his 2013 autobiography At the Close of Play, Ricky Ponting expressed his disillusionment with Cricket Australia for failing to support Symonds, who, though the victim of abuse, was painted as a villain. Daniel Brettig notes how, “duly disillusioned,” Symonds “drifted from the game via a series of disciplinary problems”.[31]

    Symonds was called a “monkey” by Harbhajan Singh on 2 January 2008. There were similarities with the Goodes incident in that it was a racial taunt (not the first directed at Symonds by the Indians – there was a history) and differences, in that the offender was a player, not a spectator.
    I don’t recall anyone on this blog calling Symonds a wimp for complaining.
    But then, Symonds wasn’t AOTY, and therin lies the issue.
    Many here dislike Goodes’ value set, so he is bombarded with ad hom abuse.
    Time to grow up, ladies and gentlemen.
    Still, this is a Glibertarian blog, and Glibertarianism has always been the refuge of the immature, the naive, and the perpetual adolescent.

  148. A Lurker

    Still, this is a Glibertarian blog, and Glibertarianism has always been the refuge of the immature, the naive, and the perpetual adolescent.

    No-one is forcing you to post here. If you don’t like the place (and clearly you don’t), why don’t you move on and find another blog more to your liking. I’m certain there are many Progressive/Socialist/Communist blogs out there that would fit your political ideology and where you’d feel more at home and amongst like-minded people.

    That is – unless you just come here to bait the Libertarians and Conservatives, and try to enflame emotions. If that is the case, then your own behaviour could be classed as immature, because this sort of trolling is decidedly adolescent in nature. I thought that you as a teacher would be intimately aware of childish behaviours such as these and guard yourself against imitating them.

    So, in my opinion, that direction of yours to ‘grow up’ should be more accurately directed back at yourself.

  149. nilk, Iron Bogan

    So, Numbers, are you going to call out the Indians on their racism towards Symonds or do you save your ire for your fellow-countrymen?

  150. jupes

    Well said Lurker, you’ve pegged Numbers.

    Agree with all you wrote except the use of the word ‘progressive’. There is nothing remotely progressive about anything the left advocates. They have changed the language to suit themselves and I don’t think we should let them get away with it.

  151. A Lurker

    Hi jupes, in my opinion the Left are trying to Progress this country off a cliff and into the void below.

    I now use the term ‘Progressive’ as an insult – and our loathing of that word is such that here at home we change channels whenever ‘Progressive Insurance’ ads come on, and we wouldn’t touch that company with a ten-foot barge pole.

  152. Rob

    I also despise Goodes and those who made him AOTY.
    Q. What will happen when somebody (regardless of their) race calls a white footballer “a big ape”?
    A. Nothing – that’s as it should be and how it should have been.

  153. Yobbo

    Still, this is a Glibertarian blog, and Glibertarianism has always been the refuge of the immature, the naive, and the perpetual adolescent.

    There are hardly any libertarians on this blog. Not sure why you’re blaming libertarians.

  154. Yobbo

    Q. What will happen when somebody (regardless of their) race calls a white footballer “a big ape”?
    A. Nothing – that’s as it should be and how it should have been.

    That’s because there aren’t hundreds of years of history of people comparing other white people – as a race – to monkeys or gorillas. It was a very commonly held belief in times past that black or aboriginal people were a missing link or a less evolved subspecies to white people.

    That’s why it is offensive to use that kind of language in reference to black or aboriginal people.

    Of course you all knew that, but are pretending you didn’t.

  155. C.L.

    So you’re OK with Goodes’s pubescent critic having been detained and interrogated by the police for two hours, Yobbo? That’s libertarianism is it?

    Imagine if every school teacher in the country had a tanty-wanty every time they heard a girl or boy call them a nasty name.

    In his 2013 autobiography At the Close of Play, Ricky Ponting expressed his disillusionment with Cricket Australia for failing to support Symonds, who, though the victim of abuse, was painted as a villain. Daniel Brettig notes how, “duly disillusioned,” Symonds “drifted from the game via a series of disciplinary problems”.

    Symonds’ mockers were Indian crowds – all of them black.

  156. Des Deskperson

    ‘That’s why it is offensive to use that kind of language in reference to black or aboriginal people’

    Except, of course, when it’s used by Eddie McGuire

  157. C.L.

    The notion that a little girl – a pubescent child from an impoverished family – was deliberately channeling hundreds of years of racism by comparing a black man to a simian is so laughable and weird that its embarrassing to hear it posited by supposedly intelligent people.

    Unsheathe your Occam’s Razor.

    She called Goodes an ape because she thought he looks like one.

  158. C.L.

    You still there, Yobbo?

    Still arguing that a little girl read up on “hundreds of years of history of people comparing other white people – as a race – to monkeys or gorillas” and, for that reason, called Goodes an ape? You’re not embarrassed at all to be arguing this?

  159. Couple of things -

    I’m certain there are many Progressive/Socialist/Communist blogs out there that would fit your political ideology

    I detest ideology. It is at the root of violence – and when institutionalized, in the 21st century, this violence can become industrialized mayhem (commonly called “war”). I’ve seen enough of that.

    No-one is forcing you to post here

    I post here because it keeps my ICD* tuned.
    It took a while, but I found this site to be consistently replete with the most egregious examples of ideologically inspired lunacy on the local interwebs, so choosing it was a no brainer.

    So, Numbers, are you going to call out the Indians on their racism

    I already did by selecting this incident as an example, as did Roy when he was abused. You didn’t call him a wimp. It is transparently clear, that according to many who post here, racially abusing Aborigines is OK, but racially abusing anyone else is not. Thank you for confirming that.
    *Inbuilt Crap Detector

  160. Yobbo

    So you’re OK with Goodes’s pubescent critic having been detained and interrogated by the police for two hours, Yobbo? That’s libertarianism is it?

    No, I’m not ok with that. But that doesn’t change what she said was undoubtedly racist.

    I should also point out, again, that Adam Goodes did not call the police. He pointed out a crowd member making racist remarks to security, as all AFL players are instructed to do. What happened after that was the fault of Victorian police, not Goodes.

  161. The Pickerings are a very interesting family……………

  162. Yobbo

    Symonds’ mockers were Indian crowds – all of them black.

    No, it was actually Harbajhan Singh – one of the Indian team – who called Symonds a monkey while he was bowling to him.

  163. Yobbo

    But I suppose that was also a coincidence just based on his appearance rather than race.

  164. Rabz

    Symonds’ mockers were Indian crowds – all of them black.

    No, it was actually Harbajhan Singh – one of the Indian team – who called Symonds a monkey while he was bowling to him.

    I’ve seen the footage, you pillock. It was on an Australian tour of India. The camera panned to a section of the Indian crowd who were making monkey gestures.

  165. I’ve seen the footage, you pillock. It was on an Australian tour of India. The camera panned to a section of the Indian crowd who were making monkey gestures.

    Typical Rabz …..mouth in gear before brain.
    If you scroll up you will note that the incident I referred to was in Sydney in 2008. The perpetrator was Harbhajan Singh, a player.
    Before you fall back into your default name-calling habit, check out the facts.
    That way, you will avoid beclowning yourself.
    It’s called “impulse control”.

  166. Yobbo

    Rabz, ever considered the possibility that you don’t actually know everything?

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/story/479835.html

  167. Rabz

    spudpeeler, you staggeringly stupid syphilis addled knobgobbler, I was correcting Yobo’s* comment who was attempting to correct CL’s comment at 8:31 am.

    So shut up and fuck off, you loathsome braindead commie cnut.

    *Deliberate

  168. Rabz

    Yobo – ever considered that you’re twat? Presumably not.

    You attempted to correct CL by claiming Symonds wasn’t abused by Indian crowds.

    I was also aware of the appalling behaviour hypocritical racist moron Harbajan.

  169. Rabz

    … behaviour of that hypocritical racist moron Harbajan.

  170. C.L.

    He pointed out a crowd member making racist remarks to security, as all AFL players are instructed to do.

    Good Lord. Grown men.

    The Indian crowds were all scratching under their arms and making generalised monkey gestures. Mind you, one credible theory is that Symonds’ strange use of Zinc rather than “hundreds of years of history” were the cause of the monkey moniker.

  171. Yobbo

    No Rabz, I was correcting CL’s incorrect assertion that the post he quoted was talking about Indian crowds. The post that CL quoted was in reference to the 2008 Sydney test where Singh called Symonds a monkey, and the ensuing ICC tribunal hearing where Singh was let off and the Indian board accused the Australian team of making the whole thing up.

    You’re just wrong again. Please don’t send Jimmy Saville to rape me.

  172. Yobbo

    The Indian crowds were all scratching under their arms and making generalised monkey gestures.

    Yes CL, that did happen. But the event Ricky Ponting was talking about in his autobiography was the 2008 Sydney test where Singh called Symonds a monkey and Spanky Roebuck and the Indian cricket board blamed Australia and accused Symonds of making the whole thing up.

  173. Rabz

    Please don’t send Jimmy Saville to rape me.

    You fucking fruitcake. Last time I checked, I don’t have the power to raise the dead.

  174. Yobbo

    You fucking fruitcake. Last time I checked, I don’t have the power to raise the dead.

    Right, only the power to wish that Jimmy Saville was still around to rape a 12 year old girl because you don’t agree with her political beliefs.

  175. JC

    But I suppose that was also a coincidence just based on his appearance rather than race.

    Who Goodes. I don’t watch much football, but the few times I have and the fewer times I’ve seen Goodes play he always stuck as incredibly ugly and the young kid’s description- that he looks like an ape- isn’t too far off the mark. Nothing to do with his aboriginal background… in fact I thought he was a leb.

  176. Rabz

    Ha – you really are one of the most sanctimonious twats on the planet, you poor precious petal.

  177. Gab

    that he looks like an ape- isn’t too far off the mark. Nothing to do with his aboriginal background

    Until Goodes bullied that 13 year old girl, I never knew ape was a “racist” slur. I saw the pictures of Bush being mocked as a monkey and thought at the time that, yeah, he’s looks a bit like a monkey, as much as Goodes looks like an ape. “Race” doesn’t come into it for most normal people, only those who see racism everywhere actually pick it up as a racial slur.

  178. C.L.

    Goodes dobbed on a little girl to security?

    And all AFL players are encouraged to do the same?

    FMD.

    Talk about first world problems.

    Rich louts who don’t have to work for a living dobbing on children.

  179. C.L.

    Stop the game!

    That little boy in aisle 5, seat 33 called me a BIG POO HEAD!

  180. Token

    She was ejected by private security from a private venue for violating a longstanding AFL regulation. Let’s not beat it up too much.

    No she was not. She was detained for 2 hours by authorities without supervision before being returned to her grandmother who had to wait until after the game to be able to get access to the girl. The mother then had to drive a number of hours through the night to get the kids home.

    If she was “ejected” as you wrongly claimed a lot of the head would be out of this issue.

    Whatever was said by the girl and whatever her motives were, it does not dismiss this was an amazing act which every parent should be concerned about.

    It is surprising the Yobbo is backing authorities acting illegally purely because a multi-millionare who has access to many media programs had his feeling hurt. Yobbo is backing the powerful over the weak.

  181. Token

    Just so Yobbo can understand the “context” of how egregious & scary the detention of the child without representation by the elites was:

    THE 13-year-old girl vilified for accidentally making a racist slur against indigenous footballer Adam Goodes is the daughter of a single mother on a disability pension, from one of the most underprivileged and powerless backgrounds possible.

    Yet the elites of Australia’s sport and media have not stopped smashing her and her family as racist rednecks.

    …”She was crying when (the security guards) took her away,” says Joanne. “She thought they were just going to take her to the top of the steps and talk to her.”

    Instead she was taken to the stadium police, questioned and detained from 10.10pm to 12.20am while her grandmother and sisters were told to stay where they were.

    “She was beside herself.”

    Goodes was asked if he wanted to press charges. He didn’t, but what a chilling concept.Joanne, was at home watching the news when she saw the incident: “My godfather – that’s my daughter!”

    Nana didn’t get the girls home till 3am. Little did they know of the media firestorm that would extend to New York and London. Samantha rang Goodes the next day and wrote him a letter: “I’m sorry for being racist. I didn’t mean any harm and now I’ll think twice before I speak.”

    Goodes accepted her apology with good grace. But the baying guardians of public morality wouldn’t let up.

    Read the facts. This is one of the most obscene abuses of power anyone could imagine.

  182. nic

    Just reading the above, the facts seem to show that Rabz and Cl are indeed correct:

    “In 2007, crowds at the One Day Series in Vadodara, Nagpur and Mumbai were seen to offend Symonds with monkey chants. After the BCCI initially denied the incident at Vadodara took place, further incidents occurred at the other grounds in the series.[23][24]“

  183. nic

    Oh, and here’s a link to another source that verifies the same:
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakvrsa/content/story/315135.html

  184. Yobbo

    No she was not. She was detained for 2 hours by authorities without supervision before being returned to her grandmother who had to wait until after the game to be able to get access to the girl.

    None of which had anything to do with Goodes, unless he’s now also directing policy of the Victorian police, which seems unlikely given that he lives in Sydney.

    Just reading the above, the facts seem to show that Rabz and Cl are indeed correct:

    I think you need to re-read CL’s posts and my response to it. CL was quoting from Ricky Ponting’s autobiography which was discussing a completely different incident.

  185. Gab

    Pity Goodes didn’t speak out the next day, during his many rounds of martyr-style interviews, against the cops interrogating the young girl for two hours but then that would not have helped his drama. The young girl said she didn;t know if was a racila slur and never meant it as one but of course it’s far too easy not too believe her on that point and by the next day she “admitted” she was a “racist” A 13 year old, how absurd.

  186. Token

    The young girl said she didn;t know if was a racila slur and never meant it as one but of course it’s far too easy not too believe her on that point and by the next day she “admitted” she was a “racist” A 13 year old, how absurd.

    The reality is that if she had take the Julia Gillard approach and stated she does not retract the words as she did not intend offense, the police would not had grounds to detain her in any way.

    By being a decent well raised person & apologising she enabled the bullies.

    PS: I have noted multiple times that Adam when he became aware of the actions taken in his name by the thugs in the Vic Police, AFL & MCH, Adam Goodes was not happy. It was a pity he did not keep up that line with the same strindency as he did about his feeling being hurt.

    Considering all Goodes anger over the issues raised in Pilger’s fabricated history, one would think Goodes would’ve been concerned about the treatment to the girl on the night and then via the media threw the following weeks.

    Unfortunately, the coward went absent when he needed to show leadership. He only stands his ground with 13yo girls.

  187. dover_beach

    None of which had anything to do with Goodes,…

    I thought you said that Goodes was aware of the policy and therefore also of what the consequences might have been of an infraction. It seems a little disingenuous to then say that the consequences of his pointing out a little girl who called him a name to the authorities had nothing to do with his pointing out that girl.

  188. Unfortunately, the coward went absent when he needed to show leadership. He only stands his ground with 13yo girls.

    You’ve obviously never watched him play football.

  189. James in Melbourne

    It wasn’t Goodes’ fault that the authorities went nuclear on the poor, silly kid. The context was that the AFL had announced that there would in future be a nuclear response to any racial abuse from the crowd. The problem was that this response was prepared and predicated on the abuser being some sad, male 50-year-old Collingwood bogan, who was going to be caught yelling something really repulsive, some crude insult based wholly on Goodes being an inferior person because of his aboriginal descent, and by doing so walk headlong into the test-case show-trial spotlight the AFL had prepared for him, be tarred, feathered, broadcast worldwide and basically have his humiliation and punishment shown 24-7, real-time in a full-on AFL scapegoating-cum-lynch mob, destroying his life while allowing the AFL to gloat at how zero-tolerant, progressive, 100% PC inclusive leading-society-forward it was.

    There was going to be a week of blanket coverage of this overweight, blue-collar slob being forced to atone for his benighted attitudes before a Salem-trial crowd of TV heads forcing him to repent over and over again, while simultaneously parading their own and the AFL’s sanctimony and self-advertised purity of thought.

    Unfortunately, into this prepared firestorm wandered a silly young girl, with a stupid, ambiguous and arguably non-racist insult – but the button was pushed nonetheless. And once it had been pushed, the firestorm could not be recalled. So we ended up with the very, very ugly treatment of the girl, in a ludicrous over-reaction, and I think Goodes would have been genuinely embarrassed by what happened to her.

    Or should have been, if he was not.

    I have no doubt that Adam Goodes has been insulted in his life for no other reason than his race. I come from the same area as him and recall incidents, in the same football league where he started, of exactly that, of which I am ashamed I did not criticise the perpetrator. It is a cop-out to say it was another time, but it was. I feel pretty certain that my kids do not ‘see’ race, and certainly don’t ascribe any inferiority/superiority on the basis of race, so I comfort myself that they are a better generation than mine in that respect, and I have helped in a small way with my own kids. They do, however, see actions – most definitely – and judge accordingly.

  190. nic

    James. a good post. However I am slightly cynical about Goode’s motives when not long after the event it was mooted that he was looking at politics. The fact that he is at the end of his career and has since come out making further political claims regarding race, makes me wonder. I had a beer with a good friend from the NT who was the Principal of an Aboriginal school. When I told him Goode’s recent comments regarding the Constitution, his response was ‘ he’s a footballer. he should shut up and play football’. I agree.

  191. srr

    Roebuck, Saville, raping children…how did Yobbo, who always attacks CL for posting on gay and Catholic issues IN THE NEWS, find a way to turn a thread on AFL Footballer, Adam Goodes, into one talking about Gay and Bi child raping entertainers?

    There is something uncomfortably not right with what some choose to attack and defend.

  192. Yobbo

    I thought you said that Goodes was aware of the policy and therefore also of what the consequences might have been of an infraction.

    The AFL policy is to eject the offender from the ground, nothing more. The Victorian police acted entirely on their own.

  193. Yobbo

    Roebuck, Saville, raping children…how did Yobbo

    Nah, not me champ. It was Rabz who decided that being raped by Jimmy Saville is an appropriate punishment for a 12 year old who doesn’t share his political views.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/04/04/out-of-the-mouths-of-children/comment-page-1/#comment-1252042

  194. C.L.

    CL was quoting from Ricky Ponting’s autobiography

    I was?

    I thought we were talking about all those black Indians making monkey hollers and gestures at Simonds.

  195. Yobbo

    My bad, 10 year old girl.

  196. Yobbo

    Yes, you were.

    In his 2013 autobiography At the Close of Play, Ricky Ponting expressed his disillusionment with Cricket Australia for failing to support Symonds, who, though the victim of abuse, was painted as a villain. Daniel Brettig notes how, “duly disillusioned,” Symonds “drifted from the game via a series of disciplinary problems”.

    This excerpt is talking about the 2008 incident, where Singh called Symonds a monkey, and Symonds was painted as a villain by the BCCI. Nothing came of the crowd chants in 2007.

  197. C.L.

    You’ve obviously never watched him play football.

    I’ve never watched a game of AFL in my life.

    From the news highlights I can’t see much bravery.

    A lot of fumbling. Games should be played to the theme from Benny Hill.

  198. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Or should have been, if he was not.

    He should have immediately apologised to the child, offered her tickets to the next game (or full season) for free, congratulated her on her love of the game, and signed autographs for all of her friends at school. He should have made the point that real racism was intended, not unintended, and joked that all footballers were strong and hairy apes, and what a good thing that was to be sure.

    That would have been an admirable end to what was a stupid mistake on both their parts.

  199. Just reading the above, the facts seem to show that Rabz and Cl are indeed correct:

    Typical Cat.
    If A is true, B and C must be wrong.
    Ever considered that all the incidents actually happened, and any one of them doesn’t disqualify the other?
    So funny…….

    I thought we were talking about all those black Indians making monkey hollers and gestures at Simonds.

    Who is “we”, and who are you to determine what “we” are talking about?

  200. srr


    BLACK people are the fathers and mothers of civilisation, white men are the devil, the Christian god is nothing more than a ghost and only a small percentage of people understand the world.

    These are just some of the ­beliefs behind the bling — the gaudy Five Percent Nation ­medallions worn by Jay Z and Carmelo Anthony.

    Last week, all eyes at the Barclays Center weren’t on Jay Z’s better half, Beyoncé — but on the coaster-size golden pendant swinging from the rapper’s neck as the couple sat courtside. Asked once if the group’s symbol — an eight-point star with the number 7 in the middle — held any meaning to him, the rapper shrugged, “A little bit.”

    So what exactly do Five Percenters believe?

    “The rationale is that the black man is God and created the universe, and is physically stronger and intellectually stronger and more righteous naturally,” says Michael Muhammad Knight

    Can we stop being racist and give equal time to racist black people’s racist preaching against white people?

  201. Gab

    Indian fans in 2007 making monkey gestures as Symonds walks onto the field, but hey, that’s apparently not “racist”. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-13/indian-fans-make-monkey-gestures-as-andrew-symonds/5257116

  202. Rabz

    how did Yobbo, who always attacks CL for posting on gay and Catholic issues IN THE NEWS, find a way to turn a thread on AFL Footballer, Adam Goodes, into one talking about Gay and Bi child raping entertainers?

    Yep, being the tiresome, self appointed moralist that he is , he was having a go at me.

    One last statement on this matter, Yobo. Savile was a creature of the left, who shamelessly nurtured and protected him for decades. Remember, when it comes to abuse of kiddies, leftists are totally cool with it – (see Gerard Henderson’s recent revelations on this topic) which was why I made the comment on the other thread in the first place.

    If the comment was considered by the likes of you to be in poor taste, I couldn’t give a rodent’s. As I pointed out at the time, that brat’s parents advocate economic and social policies that would directly cause the deaths of many millions of people.

  203. hammy

    He should have immediately apologised to the child, offered her tickets to the next game (or full season) for free, congratulated her on her love of the game, and signed autographs for all of her friends at school

    This is a perfect example how mad the far right has become in this appallingly racist country.

  204. One last statement on this matter, Yobo.

    Who are you to determine first and last?

  205. Cold-Hands

    only the power to wish that Jimmy Saville was still around to rape a 12 year old girl because you don’t agree with her political beliefs

    Yobbo, this is a totally irrational post. Take a time out and come back when you are making sense.

  206. politichix

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
    #1255575, posted on April 7, 2014 at 11:15 am

    Or should have been, if he was not.

    He should have immediately apologised to the child, offered her tickets to the next game (or full season) for free, congratulated her on her love of the game, and signed autographs for all of her friends at school. He should have made the point that real racism was intended, not unintended, and joked that all footballers were strong and hairy apes, and what a good thing that was to be sure.

    That would have been an admirable end to what was a stupid mistake on both their parts.

    Exactly! A bit of humour and good grace among leaders would go a long way towards neutralising the whole issue of racism. Abusing someone who is unaffected by what you say very quickly gets old.

  207. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Numbers, CL is a ‘we’ who is welcome here. Who are you then, to query him as you do??

  208. Token

    The AFL policy is to eject the offender from the ground, nothing more. The Victorian police acted entirely on their own.

    So the AFL policy is to eject at 13 year old on her own at 10PM? WTF?

    I don’t think so, I believe you are making this up as you go along.

    Also it is a LEGAL REQUIREMENT that a minor not be questioned without a guardian or parent being present. Vic Police acted in breach of that law.

  209. C.L.

    The guards should have been charged with kidnapping; the police with unlawful detention and possibly assault.

  210. Arnost

    I think Goodes would have been genuinely embarrassed by what happened to her.

    I once would have thought so as well – but I now doubt it. If he was smart (or had a smart manager) he would have taken the principled stance straight away. He knew about the treatment of the girl… and indeed he fanned the fire:

    “he was gutted” / “he couldn’t celebrate the win “/ “the fan’s offensive remarks had shocked him” / “I was just like, really? Wow could that happen?” / “I don’t know if it’s the lowest point in my career, but personally I’ve never been more hurt.

    For being called an “ape” by a kid? Gimme a break!

    I too see it that way: It was in the dying stages of the game, and the fix was in, that was the best available. The odd/ill swan princess pointed the finger and the circus kicked off.

    I was a big fan of the Swans since Capper first flew at the SCG in his tight white shorts… GWS is now the team to follow in my household. Made my day when they kicked the Swan’s collective arses!

    Goodes could have retired as one of the greatest. But this will for ever be associated with him – and rightly so – he will be a bullying, whingeing loser…

  211. Arnost

    He should have immediately apologised to the child, offered her tickets to the next game (or full season) for free, congratulated her on her love of the game, and signed autographs for all of her friends at school. He should have made the point that real racism was intended, not unintended, and joked that all footballers were strong and hairy apes, and what a good thing that was to be sure.

    Yes! That is how a champion would behave.

  212. Rabz

    Who are you to determine first and last?

    That’s the last statement I’ll be making on the topic, you staggeringly stupid syphilis addled knobgobbler.

  213. Token

    Indian fans in 2007 making monkey gestures as Symonds walks onto the field, but hey, that’s apparently not “racist”.

    Read the artilces posted on the topic by the ABC, FauxFacts and Newscorp following this event and the actions of Singh. You will see they refused to condemn the overt and continual intimidation of Andrew Symonds by implying he is an ape on multiple occasions in fear of offending the ICCB (i.e. the body whose money funds most of global cricket).

    Like the case where Goodes made an accusation at a 13yo girl, the elites chose whether offense should be taken over the same statement and decided based upon the power of the people involved whether to take offense.

    It is not surprising the Hammy & Numbers join Yobbo to stand with the cretins who condemned Symonds, Ponting & Hayden in one case, and a powerless 13yo girl on another.

  214. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Stick it up ya jumper, Hammy. ;)

  215. srr

    For the rest of that news on what PRIVILEGED BLACK and BROWN people preach against white people, that children like that Leftist indoctrinated white girl (in another thread, on another topic, that Yobbo lobbed in to muddy* discussion), dutifully parrot for their enemies, against humanity -

    http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-style/jay-z-wears-necklace-bling-from-whites-are-devils-group/story-fn9076o9-1226876452720

    * not a racist reference.

  216. Token

    I think Goodes would have been genuinely embarrassed by what happened to her.

    Considering the great concern aboriginals regularly articulate about police illegally detaining aboriginal youths & the threats to their safety which arises from such events, one would’ve thought Goodes would’ve instinctively acted in defense of the girl.

    When the AFL & Fat Andy made excuses for the powerful Eddie Maguire he backed away in an unseemly fashion considering his silence when the 13yo was attacked.

  217. Token

    He should have made the point that real racism was intended, not unintended, and joked that all footballers were strong and hairy apes, and what a good thing that was to be sure.

    If he had the courage to act like that people like me would’ve stood with him. Instead he acted like a coward & a bully, and since being appointed Australian of the Year he is working hard to divide the nation.

  218. It is not surprising the Hammy & Numbers join Yobbo to stand with the cretins who condemned Symonds, Ponting & Hayden in one case, and a powerless 13yo girl on another.

    Show me where I “stood with the cretins”.
    Racism is abhorrent no matter who does it and at whom it is directed.
    The behavior of the Indian crowd, Harbhajan Singh and the 13 year old girl should be condemned, because all of it is unacceptable.
    All sorts of excuses are being made for the 13 year old. Her age and gender are not the issue – her behavior is.
    You seem to have difficulty separating the person from the behaviour.
    It probably goes a long way towards explaining why any person disagreeing with the sheeple here gets abused.
    It’s all you know and understand.

  219. Yobbo

    I’d like to see the citation of my condemning Ponting and Symonds. The entire incident was a disgrace and the fact that the left-wing media blamed the Australian team for it even more disgraceful.

  220. johanna

    Lizzie is right (what a great PR agent you could be, Lizzie!)

    What is worst about this unedifying incident is that Goodes was rewarded for boo-hooing about his hurt feelings and ignoring the terrorising of a child by being made AOTY. The nominating council should be high on the relevant Minister’s list for a purge.

  221. Combine_Dave

    So we’ve established that:

    * Adam Goodes is not just an ape but a tool.
    * That Indians (both players and cricket watching crowds) are racists who regard Australian Aborigines as monkies.
    * That separating minors from their guardians and imprisoning them for hours is both morally bankrupt and illegal.
    * And AFL players are all wussy poofters (possibly due to playing a provincial sport limited to Melb).

    Missed anything?

  222. Missed anything?

    Yup.

    *Racism in any form is abhorrent.

  223. Rabz

    * That Indians (both players and cricket watching crowds) are racists who regard Australian Aborigines as monkies.

    No, they have form for abusing Australians of African/West Indian extraction as monkeys.

  224. Anne

    C.L.
    #1255610, posted on April 7, 2014 at 11:25 am
    The guards should have been charged with kidnapping; the police with unlawful detention and possibly assault.

    A different family and this would have happened for sure. She wouldn’t have left my side if she belonged to me!

  225. johanna

    Adam Goodes reinforced the stereotype of Aboriginal men as not only failing to protect children, but actively targeting them for abuse. Kids in remote communities are victims of this mentality.

    I hasten to add that I have known many Aboriginal men who do not fit this stereotype, at all. But with friends like Goodes, who needs enemies?

  226. James in Melbourne

    The trouble with any discussion of racism in this country is that what is understood by the term “racism” is exclusively white people denigrating non-white people. The idea that there could be racism on the part of non-white people toward white people, or toward any other group, quite literally does not compute.

  227. mizaris

    If that happens, it will prove once again that Australians are the most racist people on the planet. I’m so ashamed to be an Australian.

    You are free to leave at any time – can we help you pack????

  228. Token

    I’d like to see the citation of my condemning Ponting and Symonds. The entire incident was a disgrace and the fact that the left-wing media blamed the Australian team for it even more disgraceful.

    My apologies. I agree totally with your statement.

  229. C.L.

    Given the press coverage of the Daniel Morcombe case in recent months, we really need to emphasise strongly that bouncers at football matches – or anyone else for that matter – cannot kidnap children and spirit them away to beneath a grandstand. As I said above, these men should have been charged with child-stealing, assault and unlawful detention.

  230. Token

    …we really need to emphasise strongly that bouncers at football matches – or anyone else for that matter – cannot kidnap children and spirit them away to beneath a grandstand. As I said above, these men should have been charged with child-stealing, assault and unlawful detention.

    Further, think on this on how the elites with power abused this family.

    The grandmother followed the instructions of the authorities, assuming they would follow the rule of law. As a result she had to wait until past midnight (when the game ended at 10:30pm) to get access to her grand-daughter. She and the 2 other girls remained as instructed until being given permission to see the girl.

    The police acted illegally. The people at the ground acted illegally.

    All this was premised on counting on the ignorance of a dutiful citizen who had her trust in the authorities abused.

  231. Yobbo

    Yes, I agree. I just don’t think much of the blame lays with Goodes. Obviously quite a few people here have taken the opportunity to get stuck into him because of their antipathy to AFL in general.

  232. A Lurker

    If I were in Goodes position and had an unflattering name yelled at me, I would have brushed it off and thought nothing more of it, even more so because the name-caller was a child and a minor and not in possession of a mature brain.

    If I felt insulted I probably would have walked over and said “Mind your manners Miss” and that would have been it; if I wanted to make a further point of it, I would have asked the coach to get someone from the club/stadium to have a very quick and quiet word with the family about appropriate language.

    That is all that should have happened.

  233. The trouble with any discussion of racism in this country is that what is understood by the term “racism” is exclusively white people denigrating non-white people.

    Speak for yourself.
    I understand “racism” to mean the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

    Using that definition, the race of the abuser or the abused is irrelevant.

  234. johanna

    Yobbo, AFL interests me about as much as macrame. That would be – not at all. I’d never even heard of Goodes before he disgraced himself and was subsequently rewarded for it.

    And I’m with Anne. If it was my child, or relative, or even someone else’s child who happened to be sitting next to me, no way would I have allowed her to be taken away alone. There would have been an ugly scene if they tried it. Very, very ugly, and in full view of the cameras.

  235. James in Melbourne

    I just don’t think much of the blame lays with Goodes. Obviously quite a few people here have taken the opportunity to get stuck into him because of their antipathy to AFL in general.

    Correct weight. It should also not go unnoticed that, deeply misled and misguided as he appears to be judging by his comments as AOTY, Goodes sounds like Plato compared to his peers (players, not aborigines) in the NRL. At least he can be placed in front of a microphone.

  236. Token

    If I were in Goodes position and had an unflattering name yelled at me, I would have brushed it off and thought nothing more of it, even more so because the name-caller was a child and a minor and not in possession of a mature brain.

    Even though we should never discount the fact that people have used that term to dismiss and deride people with dark skin, you are correct that Goodes should not have assumed the intent of the words.

    One suspects by his willingness to accept the extremely false rewriting of history by Pilger that Goodes pre-judges people from different cultural and genetic backgrounds and believes each and everyone has a sinister motive.

    Why did the Australia Council give the flawed man a leadership role?

  237. Yobbo

    Yobbo, AFL interests me about as much as macrame. That would be – not at all. I’d never even heard of Goodes before he disgraced himself and was subsequently rewarded for it.

    That might be true for you but quite a few rugby fans here have made a point of attacking AFL in general so it’s clear that this isn’t just about Goodes.

  238. Yobbo

    If I felt insulted I probably would have walked over and said “Mind your manners Miss” and that would have been it; if I wanted to make a further point of it, I would have asked the coach to get someone from the club/stadium to have a very quick and quiet word with the family about appropriate language.

    Really? Jump the fence into the Collingwood supporter mosh pit? He would have been torn apart. There’s a reason they have security guards at football games. People throw a lot more than insults if they aren’t there.

    These are Collingwood fans, they aren’t nice people.

  239. Combine_Dave

    Yup.

    *Racism in any form is abhorrent.

    Numbers, agreed.*

    But people should have the right to be abhorrent (express bigoted opinions).

  240. Combine_Dave

    The trouble with any discussion of racism in this country is that what is understood by the term “racism” is exclusively white people denigrating non-white people. The idea that there could be racism on the part of non-white people toward white people, or toward any other group, quite literally does not compute.

    Are there any examples at all where a nonwhite ethnic has been brought before an antidiscrimination tribunal on charges of racially offensive behaviour toward a white Australian?

  241. Combine_Dave

    * That Indians (both players and cricket watching crowds) are racists who regard Australian Aborigines as monkies.

    No, they have form for abusing Australians of African/West Indian extraction as monkeys.

    My apologies. Surely that’s a case of pot calling kettle black?

  242. johanna

    Or would that be, “the black calling the black, black?”

  243. Eddystone

    Really? Jump the fence into the Collingwood supporter mosh pit? He would have been torn apart.

    No, it happened around towards the flank. And football fans aren’t generally physically abusive. Not like those soccer fans. :)

    In point of fact, of course Goodes is a primate, one of the Great Apes, as we all are.

  244. A Lurker

    Really? Jump the fence into the Collingwood supporter mosh pit? He would have been torn apart.

    Would he? I don’t follow footy so I’m not sure how well behaved the crowds are, but if it was dangerous then I doubt he would have climbed the fence – all he needed to do was walk to the barrier, motion the child over, and have a few words with her at the end of the game.

  245. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Stalin’s butt-boy numbers the cowardly racist bigot:

    Show me where I “stood with the cretins”.

    You are a cretin and assuming you are bipedal and can actually stand (there’s no guarantee you don’t routinely knuckle walk), you always stand with the cretins by definition, me old stalinist butt-boy.

    Also, you support the greenfilth. And Stalinists. And all other totalitarians.

    Racism is abhorrent no matter who does it and at whom it is directed.

    So how come you are a white supremacist who bays with anguish that AbbottAbbottAbbott666 stopped the ALP-greenfilth mass drowning of ‘little brown people’, then?

    The behavior of the Indian crowd, Harbhajan Singh and the 13 year old girl should be condemned, because all of it is unacceptable.

    So how come you are a white supremacist, then? Why do you find the ALP-greenfilth mass drowning of ‘little brown people’, to be so acceptable you denied they were happening and made no condemnation of them then?

    All sorts of excuses are being made for the 13 year old. Her age and gender are not the issue – her behaviour [sic] is.

    Spelling, Numbers, spelling!

    The child states that she did not intend any racialist slur. It’s apparent that the child was actually a victim of her abysmal public-school ‘education’, of which you are a perfessinnal memba (to use your spelling standards).

    You seem to have difficulty separating the person from the behaviour.

    Naaah, I have always condemned your racist, bigoted, ill-educated boorish, juvenile and totalitarian behaviour.

    It probably goes a long way towards explaining why any person disagreeing with the sheeple here gets abused.

    Pot, this is kettle, over. Your hypocrisy is as arrant as your cowardice and racism.

    It’s all you know and understand.

    Sayeth the racist, bigoted totalitarian sewer-dweller

  246. nerblnob

    These are Collingwood fans, they aren’t nice people.

    Racist. It’s well-known that Collingwood barrackers are the most ethnically diverse, and dogwhistle racists use them as proxy cover.

    Clearly Australian football has much to learn from the sophisticates of the World Game when it comes to responding to crowd abuse

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