WA Senate Election forum

The Coalition will win three seats and Joe Bullock will end up on the cross bench voting for the Abbott Government. Discuss.

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  1. Infidel tiger

    who’s fault is it though. It’s not like the libs go out of their way to explain the superior nature of the market and why it offers better outcomes.

    The Libs strike me as the types who could watch Friedman’s Free To Choose and at the end say: “Naah”.

  2. Oh come on

    I voted below the line. 1 and 2 LDP. 3 Dio (or however they’re spelling his name now) Wang from PUP. 4 was for the 3rd candidate on the LP ticket. The order of preferences beyond that was immaterial, as my vote will end with one of those two. Although I assiduously preferenced the Greens last, with the lowest candidate first and Ludlam 77th. I even preferenced the Socialists higher than the Greens. Damn straight.

    I’d rather a PUP balance of power in the Senate. They’ll ditch the carbon and mining taxes without blinking whilst standing a much better chance of blocking Direct Action, PPL and all the LNP big government bullshit.

    So my vote either went to the PUP 1 candidate or the LNP 3. Pity the LDP couldn’t do some better preference deals.

  3. .

    So my vote either went to the PUP 1 candidate or the LNP 3. Pity the LDP couldn’t do some better preference deals.

    Ditto for the Liberals.

  4. Oh come on

    I would love, dearly love, to stride into that polling booth, place a big fat 1 above the line for the LDP and trust they’d be able to direct my vote better than I can.

  5. .

    Since you voted below the line, I can let it go. Those who say so and vote Liberal above the line are positively mad.

  6. Oh come on

    I never vote above the line, dot.

  7. Fisky

    Wow, Brian Loughnane’s campaign against voting for minor parties was effective, wasn’t it! FFS, the state is treated like Canberra’s bitch and screaming about it, and the LNP think the best approach is to warn against voting for Palmer??

  8. Oh come on

    How on earth did the Libs manage to get outspent by tens of millions of dollars by Palmer? This is fucking ridiculous. What are we to make of this? The LNP don’t care about getting their legislation through the Senate? That’s what it looks like.

    I’m starting to think it’s time we Go Rogue.

  9. Infidel tiger

    Clive’s shown that with 3 or 4 million you can harvest a Senate seat.

    Oh to be a billionaire or have the Koch brothers number.

  10. Rabz


    I even preferenced the Socialists higher than the Greens.

    Ain’t Democracy grand?

  11. Oh come on

    Let’s face it, Palmer’s a pissant wannabe billionaire. Those backing the Libs could spend Palmer’s net worth over a moderately indulgent lunch. The Libs didn’t care about what’s happening in WA, in spite of the fact that it holds the key to all their much-vaunted election promises and their ability to deliver whatever it is they endlessly claim they received a mandate to do.

  12. Oh come on

    So what are we to take away from this?

    Fuck the Liberals, that’s what.

  13. Oh come on

    Ain’t Democracy grand?

    It was a thoughtful decision. Which is a clear and present danger? The Greens or the Socialist Alliance (and I’m not even sure that’s the name of their party)?

    Nuff said.

  14. 3d1k

    @jc. You are correct. There is no fight back so afraid of a media crucifixion, which is prepared and itching to cut loose.

    But it’s Time!! No more Mr Nice Guy. Prosecute your case at every opportunity. The major parties both fail to recognise they may have lost a generation via a second rate education system and ideologically green curricula. Both parties. Captive to the Green Gen Whatever. It is serious and will require a bipartisan Liberal Labor partnership.

    Jobs!!! As a Green at the polling booth said to me today ‘we don’t need them, we have the sun’. I kid you not.

  15. Oh come on

    Hey, Western Australians. Did you see those PUP ads? Yes, the ones containing the imagery that would appear pitched to a drooling retard. With the production values that suggested they were created by a drooling retard.

    Look beyond the cringeingly cliched metaphor of taking bread out of the mouths of babes.

    What they said is right, is it not? Even if they can’t be trusted to represent our interests (which they almost certainly can’t).

    Fuck. What does that say about us?

  16. Andrew

    They also may not be total lunatics like the Liars, but they’re too scared of running policies totally opposite theirs. In fact they adopt Liars polices.

    Except for the WBCT, the WBMT, the $70bn deficits, the open borders and the union corruption – all of which they oppose. Sorry you didn’t get them to give empty promises about your policy wish list – ahead of a by election for Senate control and with the old senate blocking everything anyhow. It must be frustrating for you.

  17. Oh come on

    Except for the WBCT, the WBMT, the $70bn deficits, the open borders and the union corruption – all of which they oppose.

    Trifles. These are trifles if the opposing party does not oppose them because they hold a visceral, instinctive repudiation of the values that brought forth these trifles. At some point there’s no compromise or appeasement with the philosophy and culture that bore those values. It’s time for root and branch extermination. When are we at that point, Andrew? Please be sure to let Liberal HQ in Vaucluse or wherever the hell they are know. Probably about a year and a half after the fact, as that’s pretty much their style. In which case they’ll decide they’re either Switzerland or Vichy.

  18. Fisky

    There are too many spivs in the Liberal Party. We don’t like their sort. They should be replaced at once by jack-booted street warriors, all brandishing the Little Blue Book of the Fisk Doctrine.

  19. Oh come on

    Exactly. And that book is filled with Austrian wisdom.

    And no, not from THAT Austrian. The one the Left incestuously hate-fucks time and time again.

  20. Driftforge

    Makes me think a DD is on the cards. Palmer and the greens spend up big, only to find out that 3-6 months later it is all on again.

  21. Aaron

    Makes me think a DD is on the cards.

    Which could be why the Coalition has been fairly conservative with its advertising. It’d rather spend big when the survival of the government is at stake at a theoretical DD than trying to win an extra Senate seat that doesn’t change the need to negotiate with a considerable voting bloc on the cross benches.

    At present I think the government will be able to cobble together a coalition of PUP, Xenophon, DLP, LDP, FF and the Motoring Enthusiasts to repeal the Carbon Tax, Mining Tax and associated Green boondoggles. The excessive PPL will either be deferred or it will be passed in a pared-back form with Greens support. The real sticking point for the Government in the Senate will be any spending cuts in the Budget or recommended by the Commission of Audit. I can see PUP being populist and refusing to cut any welfare entitlements or outlays in education or health.

  22. entropy

    I think they’re conservative with their spending because they don’t have any.

  23. Tintarella di Luna

    The transmission mechanism for rank leftism in this country is the ABC. The libs are doing absolutely nothing about it. Not one thing. In fact they run scared of them.

    Spot on JC – I wrote a rather acerbic letter calling on Malcolm Turnbull to do something about the criminality which is rife vis a vis their Grauniad/Axis over the Indonesian spying caper — the letter I got back was just the biggest load of balderdash – I haven’t had time to respond and tell them so but I am just furious by the fatuousness of the MT response.

  24. Yobbo

    16% Greens fuck me dead.

    People deserve the government they get.

    Not a day goes by when I don’t celebrate my decision to leave Australia to the nanny state idiots.

  25. will

    There are too many spivs in the Liberal Party. We don’t like their sort. They should be replaced at once by jack-booted street warriors, all brandishing the Little Blue Book of the Fisk Doctrine.

    this blog needs a “like” button

  26. Gab

    6.4% swing to the greenfilth. What the hell is happening to WA? Must be all those eastern states imports.

  27. entropy

    All the people who can no longer vote ALP have got to go somewhere, Gab. Might as well go to where someone stands for something. Oh, and a lot of people didn’t vote again, leaving activists to a bigger portion of the vote.

  28. john constantine

    just wondered.if being a meat eating carnist is a political act to rub entrenched privilege in the face of the victim class–is sarah hanson young a vegan? is veganism going to get the next leader of the greens elected?.

    [and if the abc is so fixated on leadership struggles,how come they run 100 turnbull challenge fantasies,but run dead on the internal leadership borgia style hatreds within their own green party?. aren’t the people allowed to know the green truths?.

  29. candy

    Greens did poorly in Tas. But Scott Ludlam is a superstar for them. He’s got the under 25 vote sewn up – they love his hate Abbott speech and his publicly stated goal in Senate is to “stop Abbott”. That’s all.

    And Clive Palmer is the larrikin image who makes fun of the major parties, another personality cult thing. I think this sort of thing has to run its course and Libs would have been wasting money.

  30. tomix

    6.4% swing to the greenfilth

    The 30,000 new enrolments since Sept. 7?

  31. tomix

    The Greens stole their seat. PUP is the big success story. Palmer identified his voters, threw out the pitch, and reeled them in.

  32. Gab

    Hopefully, it will become evident to even the dumbest voter that PUP is a dog of a party.

  33. Oh come on

    PUP outspent everyone combined. What have they to show for it? A Senator? Meh.

    The Senator abides, PUP….less so. I said above, Palmer’s a pissant billionaire. The square mile Leonora dumps its rubbish on is a better economic bet than Clive Palmer.

  34. So WA now has the highest green vote in the senate of any state in the nation. If we deported all 39,000 of our crusty ones over there, they’d even have a shot at beating the ACT.

    Bigger picture though, the final seat is looking a bit of a toss up. The spread is nearly 1.4% to Labor, so I suspect it is going to be difficult to reel in on the strength of postals. 0.5% is often doable; 1.4% not so much.

  35. Oh come on

    tomix: Palmer is Pauline Hanson with media smarts. Yep, that’ll get you somewhere. Hanson too got somewhere.

  36. Oh come on

    PS. Leonora’s a shithole

  37. Oh come on

    holy shit there is a scarily ugly Frankenstein-looking character on ABC24 right now.

  38. Oh come on

    Frankenstein’s live from Canberra, apparently.

  39. Oh come on

    his name’s Andrew Grey? Seriously? LOL

  40. Oh come on

    Holy crap I’ve just tuned in to ABC24. It’s so bad. The editing is just terrible. Have I just tuned into MyanmarTV?

  41. Oh come on

    Holy crapballs the female host is about to devour the guest. Is weekend TV always this bad on the ABC? I usually get up later.

  42. tomix

    Hanson was polarising. Palmer hasn’t offended anyone, apart from the AEC, but he’s got a reps seat and 3 Senators to repeal the Carbon/mining taxes.

  43. Gab

    Palmer has said he won’t be voting to repeal the carbon dioxide tax.

  44. tomix

    I missed that U-turn. He was for repeal in September.

  45. candy

    PUP’s supporters wanted to be “reeled in”, to see him have a go at the leaders of the major parties and make demands and belittle them, “show them up” larrakin type stuff. There’s an entertainment value there.

  46. Oh come on

    Palmer hasn’t offended anyone, apart from the AEC, but he’s got a reps seat and 3 Senators to repeal the Carbon/mining taxes.

    The HoR seat – Palmer’s right not to waste his time there, cynical as that may sound. As for the Senators – present tense. Good luck with that.

  47. Snoopy

    I don’t think Bullock will jump ship and join the Libs or PUP or anybody else. First he will simply stop attending Labor parliamentary party meetings. In the interests of stabilidy no one in the ALP will publically call him out on it. Next he will miss a division due to sudden ‘illness’. Shorten will express ‘understandable regret’. Bullock misses another division. Shorten expresses displeasure. A repeat with Shorten really, really pissed off. Bullock declares himself to be Independent Labor and sits on cross benches.

    Alternatively he will be a loyal Labor muppet for the next 6 years.

  48. Gab

    Tomix he said that about two weeks ago after saying before that that we was against the carbon dioxide tax. I suspect he’ll change his mind again and again and again depending on what sounds better on the day.

  49. tomix

    There’s something wrong with belittling our political elites?

  50. candy

    Palmer has said he won’t be voting to repeal the carbon dioxide tax.

    Probably he’ll demand a big pension increase all round (makes him a hero) in return for repealing carbon tax. I don’t see that he would do anything that’s just intrinsically democratic. There will be have to be something in it for him, and that would be popularity.

  51. Oh come on

    Snoopy: astute.

    Either way, the new Senate is going to be less hostile for the government than the incumbent. Bye bye Carbon tax.

  52. tomix

    Thanks, Gab. The big loon playing mind games, eh.

  53. Gab

    From memory he said that at the time he was courting Greenfiflth preference votes… or something.

  54. Oh come on

    well, it’s in his interest, tomix.

  55. Gab

    November 14:

    Palmer United Party federal leader and Member for Fairfax Clive Palmer will abstain on voting on the Abbott government’s carbon tax repeal legislation package despite the party’s opposition to the carbon tax.

    April 4:

    Mr Palmer had previously indicated he wanted the repeal legislation to apply retrospectively, something the Government had ruled out.

    But he has now indicated that getting rid of the policy is a priority, describing it as “fait accompli”.

    “As a matter of principle, we favour the repeal of the carbon tax, as does the Government,” he said.

    Palmer has changed his position back and forth many times. If I could be bothered I’d find the quotes and links, but I can’t be bothered with the charlatan.

  56. H B Bear

    After the Green vote in WA it is going to be hard to make any Tasmanian and Sth Australian jokes with any credibility. But that won’t stop me. I think what it shows is that outside a core of rabid hard Left voters the Greens are a “feel good” parking place for the soft centre Left protest vote.

    Any Western Australians who voted for Palmer should be deported to Queensland where that faux-maverick populist BS is practically a mainstream political philosophy.

  57. tomix

    Why shouldn’t the Government repay the Carbon Tax and the Mining Tax?

  58. Oh come on

    oh, nonsense. The opposition should have romped this in. But it was disastrous for them.

  59. 1735099

    None of you non-Queenslanders have a clue about Clive Palmer, because you don’t understand Queensland politics.
    Clive is essentially a score-settler. The wounds go deep. He will do anything to damage the Coalition in general and the LNP in Queensland in particular.
    His loathing for Noddy Newman and his clique is immeasurable.
    Prepare for s*it stirring of epic proportions, and lots of free publicity for Clive – which drives him on – kind of Pavlovian response.
    Most of all he loves a stoush…..

  60. Oh come on

    Fuck off, Pissant. That’s the most appallingly crap analysis I’ve come across since the WA results started trickling in.

    Seriously, stop assuming that others share your inability to form recent memories of events.

  61. candy

    True about the “stoushes”. He wants to be thought the “lovable Aussie larrakin” type, I’m not sure that’s sustainable in our cynical political style now.
    However it is a bit fascinating to see how he and the PM get on.

  62. Snoopy

    Palmer is not a member of the Senate and any control that he exercises over PUP senators elect is untested. They have been bought once…………

  63. entropy

    The HoR seat – Palmer’s right not to waste his time there, cynical as that may sound. As for the Senators – present tense. Good luck with that.

    I disagree,OCO. He is paid to represent his consituents in parliament. So turning up and voting more than four times is a ‘do not pass go’ requirement. .

  64. Rabz

    This entire shambles is an absolute frigging disgrace.

    The re-run election should never have been allowed to proceed in the first place. The original result should have stood.

    Great – six more years of that brain damaged parasite ludlum hoovering peoples taxes and advocating the type of policies and beliefs that no so long ago would have landed the frigging moron in an insane asylum.

    Happy now, Abbott, you softcocked numpty?

  65. Oh come on

    I agree with you, entropy. But then we start to run up against Westminster conventions which render Palmer’s direct participation in the HoR to be functionally useless.

    He should be there, you’re right. I don’t think he should be allowed into the chamber just to drop the occasional curly one during QT. Some adjustment to the standing orders for Members who are derelict in their duty to their constituents is appropriate.

  66. entropy

    As big a twat as Numbres is, he is right about the initial motivation of Palmer. Newman said no to him. Simple as that.

    Palmer expected the days of the white shoe brigade to have returned withe election of the LNP. He wanted to not have to comply with the law with respect to environmental requirements and landing approvals for his Galilee basin coal mines, rail line and abbott point development. You may disagree that those laws exist, but they are currently the law.

    There are two projects, and Gina’s was more developed at the time so got Coordinator General prioritisation. Ironically, that project has had some delays and now Clive’s is progressing and getting Co-ordinator General status. Doesn’t matter though, as the elephant never forgets when he doesn’t get his way and someone has the temerity to say no.

    The irony of people like Numbres is that instead of claiming Newman had unnecessarily upset Palmer and thus needs to be turfed, is if Newman had run roughshod of the regulations to keep Palmer happy, Numbres would be using that to claim Newman was a tool of Palmer and needed to be turfed. I guess it’s ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ and all that.

    So in summary: Numbres and Palmer, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

  67. Rabz

    According to the Oz – Labor’s No 2 candidate and senator, Louise Pratt, appeared in grave danger of defeat,

    Every cloud has a silver lining. About the only positive to emerge from this frigging infuriating shemozzle.

  68. C.L.

    Is she the lesbian partnered with a transvestite?

  69. 1735099

    Happy now, Abbott…….
    Just for the record, what could Abbott have done about the court decision?
    You have about as much understanding of the separation of powers as Noddy Newman.

  70. candy

    I guess it’s ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ and all that.

    True. I’ve noticed with some Labor leaning people they are very fond of Clive Palmer, when you’d normally expect them to be opposites. Because of the big mining, “carbon footprint”, big business and wealth, everything they usually despise. It’s a strange world sometimes !

  71. Rabz

    Is she the lesbian partnered with a transvestite?

    Indeedy. The sort of personages Bullock described as ‘mad’.

  72. So in summary: Numbres and Palmer, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

    You have a major comprehension problem.
    Nowhere did I write anything in praise of Palmer. His party is a dangerous development in Australian politics. Wealth buys votes – something we can do without.
    Palmer is a uniquely Queensland phenomenon. There has been a whiteshoe brigade loose in this state for a long time. It faded when Jackboot Jo fell from grace, but it has always been just below the surface. It’s roots are in the Gold Coast, but its tentacles spread anywhere there is money and vested interest.
    The LNP government is up to its ears in it, and the Caltabiano phenomenon was just one symptom.
    Newman has eviscerated the CMC, and now the whiteshoes have free reign.
    Palmer was one of them, but he didn’t get his way, and he won’t ever forget it.
    Government in Queensland under the LNP more closely resembles the Cosa Nostra than Westminster.

  73. Rabz

    Fuck off spudpeeler, you staggeringly stupid, syphilis addled knobgobbler.

    As I already observed the original result should have stood.

  74. 1735099

    Rabz – your peurile nonsense provides light entertainment.
    Only one person takes you seriously – is there a mirror in your bathroom?
    Your ignorance of the Australian electoral system is breathtaking.

  75. Oh come on

    Palmer loved Campbell when he was elected. Literally adored him. Who can forget Palmer’s statements lauding Campbell upon his election as Premier? Well, apart from the senile amongst us.

  76. Rabz

    Spudpeeler you staggeringly stupid, syphilis addled knobgobbler, you are hated with a passion by every commenter here.

    The re-run election should never have been held, you noxious drooling cretin.

    Now fuck off, you malodorous commie cnut.

  77. Oh come on

    Remember (I know that’s a tough word for some) Palmer’s statements from within the LNP’s victorious election press conference. That’s right, at that point the United Australia Party was a historical relic and the Palmer United Party required a DeLorean to access.

  78. 1735099

    You know something, Rabz – I couldn’t give a stuff what you think.
    Coming from someone as deranged as you, abuse is a confirmation that I’m on the right track.
    Your values are beyond delusional.
    Even on a Glibertarian blog like this one, lunacy stands out.
    In your case, like the proverbial dog’s balls……

  79. Oh come on

    Come on Numbers, leave Rabz alone. Have a crack. Come on. You know you want to. I bitchslapped you from wall to wall on our last engagement – and it was on your nominated turf, too.

  80. Oh come on

    Surely it’s time for some payback?

  81. 1735099

    I bitchslapped you
    First you need to write in English.
    That patois is meaningless to me – I’m Australian.

  82. Tom

    The troll explains why he’s the lowest form of life. His own blog has no audience, so he has to go and get attention annoying everyone at a blog with a mass audience. Lowest form of life, you human garbage.

  83. Tel

    I’ve noticed with some Labor leaning people they are very fond of Clive Palmer, when you’d normally expect them to be opposites. Because of the big mining, “carbon footprint”, big business and wealth, everything they usually despise.

    Don’t forget the the ALP have unionist roots. Unions don’t benefit from destroying industry, just from squeezing for a bigger slice of the action. A lot of the regular rank and file don’t give a hoot about da Warming and da Footprint. They want jobs, with good pay.

  84. Oh come on

    When you discover the mysteries of simple English punctuation, you might stand a snowball’s chance to mix it with me at the pedant level.

    So drop that shit because I swear to god I’ve forgotten far more about that kind of thing than you’ve ever known. I will take you to the cleaners if you want to go down that path. Happy to, it’s an easy win for me.

    But…ideas, Pissant, ideas. Stop your retreats on pedantic grounds – it’s the uncontested preserve of the defeated. Besides, if you’re going to be a pedantic fuckwit, you’d better make goddamn sure you’re word perfect. And that you are most certainly not.

  85. Oh come on

    So, now that’s out of the way, hit me with your best shot. I thoroughly humiliated you the last time you decided to tangle with me over your special subject. So much so that you just disappeared from the thread instead of conceding the point, which (and let me into a little secret here) pretty much has the same effect. You thought I didn’t notice? Of course I did.

    Now, it’s time you got some payback, right?

  86. srr

    Those numbers that Piers Ackerman noticed, “don’t add up”, can some numbers person here crunch them against this piece in the SMH on 28-3-2014 -

    People are leaving NSW for Victoria at a record rate.

    New interstate migration figures compiled from Medicare and census data show a net 6900 people, a record, moved to Victoria in the year to September – more than to any other state.

    It is the first time Victoria has beaten Queensland as Australia’s most popular internal migration destination.

    More than half the inflow, about 3800, was from NSW. The tide is equivalent to seven cars a day heading down the Hume Highway without plans to return.

    ”It’s cheaper to find somewhere to live in Melbourne than it is Sydney,” Monash University demographer Robert Birrell said.

    ”Melbourne has been better at building houses.”

    NSW lost a net 12,400 of its residents to interstate moves. The only other states to suffer a net outflow were Tasmania and South Australia.

    NSW has for many years had a net outflow, offset by high arrivals from overseas. It maintained its position as the gateway to Australia in the year to September, taking in a net 70,000 migrants, about 30 per cent of the national total. It lost 49,100 residents through deaths and gained 99,640 through births.

    NSW’s population increased by just 1.5 per cent, one of the slowest growth rates in the nation. Queensland’s rose 1.8 per cent, Victoria’s 2 per cent and Western Australia’s 3.1 per cent. Only South Australia and Tasmania reported slower growth, with rates of 0.9 per cent and 0.2 per cent. Even in absolute terms, the NSW increase of 108,100 was beaten by Victoria, whose population rose by 110,500.

    Dr Birrell said a rebalancing process was taking place as the mining boom wound down. Internal migration to Western Australia and Queensland was slowing. NSW and Victoria had growth industries of the future such as education and finance and stood to benefit. But Victoria was an easier place to find housing.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/record-number-of-nsw-residents-head-for-victoria-20140327-35lrs.html#ixzz2y41i88P8

  87. Oh come on

    Numbers? Oh, Numbers? Are you waiting for another typo to sic? I’ve found one already.

  88. Yobbo

    Is she the lesbian partnered with a transvestite?

    Does CL ever think about anything except gay people?

    Serious question.

  89. tomix

    Melbourne always has been the money and opportunity capital of Australia. And the weather is great

    - between c. December 10 and the following Australia Day.

  90. Now, it’s time you got some payback, right?

    The development level of an individual who communicates in this fashion is typically early adolescence, unless there is an intellectual impairment. Such an impairment might explain the gap between chronological age and functional age.

  91. Oh come on

    Ok, so thanks Pissant. I must admit I’ve greatly enjoyed deploying extreme arrogance in provoking and subsequently dismissing with ease the feeble challenge you managed to muster. This is a tactic I despise. Against you, however, it just feels right. Exception that proves the rule, and all.

  92. C.L.

    Does CL ever think about anything except gay people?

    Serious question.

    No no, it’s not a serious question.

    It’s just Yobbo flying the flag for the Gaystapo as usual.

  93. tomix

    Yobbo- dunno. But don’t you find their domestic arrangements amusing?

  94. Oh come on

    Oh dear, Numbers. You’re still on the bottom rungs of Bloom’s Taxonomy, aren’t you? Poor thing.

  95. Ok, so thanks Pissant. I must admit I’ve greatly enjoyed deploying extreme arrogance in provoking and subsequently dismissing with ease the feeble challenge you managed to muster.

    Translation – I’m so far up myself that any semblance of self awareness is lost somewhere in my fundamental orifice.
    Hilarious….

  96. srr

    I love it when the head of a cankerous boil gets so big, that there’s no need to use a scalpel because a gentle passing breeze will pop it.

    Oh sure, the clean up can be messy, and the healing long, but it is the beginning of healing, and that is a good thing.

  97. Oh come on

    After all these years.

  98. Oh dear, Numbers. You’re still on the bottom rungs of Bloom’s Taxonomy, aren’t you? Poor thing.

    When I studied Bloom’s taxonomy back in 1967, it was a hierarchy of educational objectives, not of intelligence or cognitive capacity.
    I doubt that has changed.
    You’re making a right fool of yourself….

  99. Yobbo

    Yobbo- dunno. But don’t you find their domestic arrangements amusing?

    Never heard of either of them.

    I just find it amusing that CL makes it his mission to google the sexual habits of everyone.

  100. Oh come on

    Look, I tried to engage him in the arena of ideas, but he shied away from that. He prefers to lamely attempt to pull rank (oh the irony) on peripheral issues in which his incompetence has been on display for all to see since he first started commenting here.

  101. Tel

    There’s a lot of dipshit parties in WA with not only less than 1% of the vote, but less than 0.1% of the vote:

    * Freedom and Prosperity Party 0.06% (join the LDP you dingbats)
    * Building Australia Party 0.07% (who??)
    * Secular Party of Australia 0.07% (furgedaboudit)
    * Socialist Alliance 0.07% (they never give up, lest we forget)
    * Mutual Party 0.07% (“mutual”, sounds great, but who??)
    * Australian Voice Party 0.08% (who??)
    * Katter’s Australian Party 0.08% (not your home turf is it Bob?)

    It is nice to see people having a go, but I think if you can’t get one person in a thousand to care, time to admit that whatever you stand for, ain’t that important.

  102. tomix

    1735099- will you share your opinions on the source of PUP votes in W.A. and its appeal to voters?

  103. srr

    Come on guys, poor Turtle of WA is feeling bad about living in a State ‘with so many’ Green / Left / Weirdo voters, when we should be comforting him with our own, Great Discomfort, at THE NUMBERS NOT ADDING UP.

    How many beyond dodgy, election ‘results’, are we going to laugh off with, “vote early, vote often”, jokes, before we stop treating it like a joke?

  104. C.L.

    Yobbo, the woman concerned was recently given wall-to-wall press coverage about her ‘relationship’ with a transvestite. You know, because there was an election in the home state you share with her. No need for Google.

    Nice try, though.

    Gaystapo tactic

    1: accuse critics of being obesessed with homosexuals.

    2. accuse critics of being homosexuals.

    3. George Pell.

    4. call the police on people who criticise homosexualist totalitarians.

  105. old bloke

    16% to the Greens, WTF? Where did the 30,000 new voters come from? Tasmania?

    I might move to S.A.

  106. Oh come on

    Well done, Numbers. I selected Bloom’s Taxon0my because it’s so dated, rather like yourself. You still haven’t managed to navigate the higher orders of this, however. Thanks for so neatly proving my point.

    What a ridiculous dinosaur you are, Pissant. You aren’t even vaguely across that which you claim expert knowledge of. It’s time you disappeared from this thread, right? It’s what you’ve always done in the past when faced with total humiliation.

  107. tomix

    Palmer is the only one openly criticising the AEC. And doing quite well with the voters.

  108. Oh come on

    When I studied Bloom’s taxonomy back in 1967, it was a hierarchy of educational objectives, not of intelligence or cognitive capacity.

    hmm. When was your tour of Vietnam again? And when did you start studying pedagogy?

    Sure you didn’t just do a quick Wiki search on Bloom’s Taxonomy?

  109. Woolfe

    30,000 new voters? Since September? I bet ACT regains another 30,000 tomorrow.

  110. Bruce

    Anytime now he should throw up his favorite smokescreen,Vietnam,and then beat his usual cowardly retreat.

  111. Oh come on

    Oh, don’t bother. I knew my question was purely rhetorical, and your facile understanding of it tells me all I need to know.

    Lightweight.

  112. Andrew

    is sarah hanson young a vegan? is veganism going to get the next leader of the greens elected?.

    Oh, please! She either fattest or second fattest parlientarian (depending if she’s retaining water ahead of her period – which I believe she currently is). HTF could she be a vegan? I mean, cows reach 500kg but she wouldn’t have the time.

  113. Tom

    This is what happened in WA yesterday:

    Primary votes for the Liberal and Labor parties have dropped about 5 per cent in the count thus far, while the Greens have picked up a swing of about 6 per cent.

    Clive Palmer’s Palmer United Party, which outspent the Liberal Party by nearly 10 to one on television advertising, gained a swing of about 7.5 per cent.

    This is the headline used by the Kmart fucktard monkey manning the subs’ desk at ShakeMyHead.com:

    Liberals’ vote dives in WA election

  114. Oh come on

    Whoops, I think Numbers has scarpered.

    Apologies to everyone else. I was an unadulterated prick to him, and I deliberately set out to be so as to humiliate him. This didn’t reflect well on me, I accept.

  115. tomix

    No, no. I think you’ll find that vegans are quite doctrinaire. They will seek to replace animal sourced protein with plant sourced protein [grains and beans]. That’s a recipe for massive bloat.

  116. Liberals’ vote dives in WA election

    The vote for Dives, however, was rather liberal.

  117. You still haven’t managed to navigate the higher orders of this, however.

    Happy to debate you on Bloom’s taxonomy.
    Your statement –

    Oh dear, Numbers. You’re still on the bottom rungs of Bloom’s Taxonomy, aren’t you? Poor thing.

    infers pretty clearly that you believe that it is a measure of IQ or cognitive capacity, particularly as you attempted to misuse it as a form of abuse.
    It isn’t.
    It is an organization (a taxonomy) of educational objectives into “domains”.
    Benjaman Bloom’s classified the different objectives that educators set for students into cognitive, affective, and psychomotor domains.
    Its particular importance for teachers lies in the notion that the sequence along which learning and teaching occurs is critical, and you’re wasting your time trying to assist students to learn anything if your curriculum and teaching approach ignores this vital sequence.
    In each domain, learning at a higher level can’t happen until the prerequisite knowledge and skills at lower levels is acquired.
    I’d leave it alone if I were you. before the hole you’ve begun to dig gets bigger, but that’s your call…..

  118. Andrew

    And another thread destroyed.

    The last time I read this grub’s “contribution” it was to take a Cat’s grave illness and turn it into a political smear on Newman666. Why is it still here?

  119. Oh come on

    What are the higher levels of Bloom’s taxonomy, Numbers? Where have you demonstrated these higher-order cognitive abilities? I tried to engage you on these, but you unfortunately declined.

    I understand you’re backfilling your knowledge deficit. Take your time.

  120. Oh come on

    Nonsense. Numbers is being smashed. And after he’s smashed, we can go on unabated.

  121. 1735099:

    Benjaman [sic] Bloom’s [sic] classified the different objectives that educators set for students into cognitive, affective, and psychomotor domains. […]
    In each domain, learning at a higher level can’t happen until the prerequisite knowledge and skills at lower levels is acquired.

    Wikipedia:

    Bloom’s taxonomy refers to a classification of the different objectives that educators set for students (learning objectives). It divides educational objectives into three “domains”: cognitive, affective, and psychomotor domains.
    Within the domains, learning at the higher levels is dependent on having attained prerequisite knowledge and skills at lower levels.

  122. This is what happened in WA yesterday:

    No this is what happened –
    Swing away from the Liberals = 5.5%
    Swing away from Labor = 4.8%
    Swing away from the Nationals = 2%
    Swing away from the Liberal Democrats = 1.6%
    Swing towards the Greens = 6.4%
    Swing towards the PUP = 7.5%
    So 5.5% of disaffected Liberals voted either for the Greens, PUP or Labor, and 4.8% of disaffected Labor voters voted either for the Greens, PUP or the Liberals.
    Best guess is that the unhappy Libs voted for PUP (they sure as hell didn’t vote LDP) and the unhappy Labor voters supported the Greens.
    Some other observations –
    1. Biggest decline in votes was suffered by the Libs.
    2. The LDP vote went backwards.
    Source – Antony Green’s election blog.

  123. incoherent rambler

    Australians have shown in the past that they have reasonably good bullsh1t detectors.
    At the WA senate election, media interference has rendered these devices inoperable.

    What have we learned from the WA election result?
    . The ABC sponsored greens have performed extra-ordinarily well, a tribute to the power of the ABC.
    . Advertising money can distort a result. PUP have demonstrated that seats can be bought. The ALP and LNP will note this.
    . The Liberals have shown that they are happy to be the “Government” for the next 2.5 years. Their lack of interest in securing senate seats in WA shows they have no committment to fullfilling their election promises or good governance. Enjoying the trappings of government is enough for them.
    . The rise of the greens is the real worry. The enlightenment was the triumph of reason over dogma. The greens are the triumph of dogma over reason, call it the “darkening” if you like. The ALP and the LNP have a short window of opportunity to expose the hypocrisy and deceit of the greens. The solution to the green problem is for the ALP and LNP to jointly put the greens at the bottom of the preference list, in all elections. The ALP won’t do it with their share of the vote heading south of 20%. The problem is that if the ALP and LNP do not challenge the dogma of the greens, then it likely that the ALP will cease to exist as a political force.
    . The 20% ALP vote is a disaster for Australian politics. You may hate the ALP but you will dislike the greens even more. The ALP needs to get its act together, if it is survive the medium term. I fear they will try to follow the path of the greens, rather than challenge them. The ALP/unions need to consider the possibility of their WA result replicated nationwide.
    . Finally we must acknowledge the evidence that the AEC is now corrupt. Corrupting one election result could be considered unfortunate. The SA gerrymander and the WA nursing home debacle are beyond careless.
    The organization needs to be disinfected. We also need to consider updating our voting systems.

    Consider this election result as your last warning.

  124. Deadman – thank you.
    That’s a neat summary of what I wrote.

  125. Bruce

    His plagiarism beautifully exposed by Deadman he now attempts to desperately change the subject back to what it was before he arrived with his bag of bullshit.

  126. What are the higher levels of Bloom’s taxonomy, Numbers? Where have you demonstrated these higher-order cognitive abilities? I tried to engage you on these, but you unfortunately declined.

    You don’t understand the purpose of the taxonomy.
    It is not (for the third time) about “cognitive ability” .
    It ‘s an organization of educational objectives.
    I doubt you understand the difference between curriculum (what is taught) and attainment (what a student has learned).
    Keep digging….

  127. Oh come on

    Incidentally, Bloom’s Taxonomy is terribly hackneyed relic of pedagogy which is basically ignored outside of pedagogy. I was quite interested in Numbers’s claim that he studied Bloom’s Taxonomy in 1967. Hm. How old was he then? I seem to recall he trained to be a teacher after his Vietnam service (which I respect, and I believe his posting was between 1970 and 1971). So it’s interesting to me that he was studying Bloom’s Taxonomy in 1967.

  128. Bruce

    And now insulated by his own ignorance he continues to make a fool of himself.

  129. Bruce

    Why should his lies about when he studied Bloom’s Taxonomy be any different to the lies he tells about any subject upon which he comments?

  130. Oh come on

    You are an ignoramus, numbers. Anyone can search Bloom’s Taxonomy on Wikipedia, grasp my point and confirm your supercilious attempt to appear the expert.

    It’s because you are rather dim that you haven’t realised this.

  131. Tom

    The average vote against government in byelections is approximately 5.7%. The Abbott Regime, which is about to bring down a budget reining in the former Liars-Greenfilth government’s out-of-control spending and therefore cutting free stuff to mooching scum like communist schoolteachers, suffered a swing away of 5.5%, but will still likely have three WA senators. I encourage the scum to keep frustrating the Abbott Regime and amping up the hatred on AbbottSatan. Then we will get a double dissolution election, after which there will be no scum standing. With any luck, communist schoolteachers will also be purged from the public service as anti-Australian parasites.

  132. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How old was he then?

    DOB 5/6/47

  133. So it’s interesting to me that he was studying Bloom’s Taxonomy in 1967.

    I was at Teachers’ College in 1966 and 1967. My callup (in 1967 when I was 20) was deferred under the standard provisions of the act until I had completed my pre-service training and had worked as a teacher for a year. Hence my service was 1969-70.
    OCO’s knowledge of history (particularly as it applies to the National Service Act) is on a par with his grasp of Bloom’s taxonomy.
    The consistency of his beclowning is noteworthy.

  134. Bruce

    DOB 6/47, service 2/70-12/70. Bit old for a Nasho,must have scammed a few deferments.

  135. tomix

    Interesting article about the results of adopting Blooms Taxonomy-

    http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML%20Pages/BloomFinalPub.htm

  136. MT Isa Miner

    Tom

    #1254534, posted on April 6, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    This is what happened in WA yesterday:

    Primary votes for the Liberal and Labor parties have dropped about 5 per cent in the count thus far, while the Greens have picked up a swing of about 6 per cent.

    Clive Palmer’s Palmer United Party, which outspent the Liberal Party by nearly 10 to one on television advertising, gained a swing of about 7.5 per cent.

    This is the headline used by the Kmart fucktard monkey manning the subs’ desk at ShakeMyHead.com:

    Liberals’ vote dives in WA election

    Liars and spin for the left. Every single time, Tom. “Noice” to be so predictable.

    Hey, some of us wear K-Mart crap. We were bloody GRATEFUL to get K-Mart in the Isa in the 70′s. course now I knows better and wear Target.

  137. mundi

    I seriously can’t understand why people vote green.

    What is their policy exactly? To tax the shit out of everything and destroy the economy so we can all play in the green parks until we starve to death?

  138. incoherent rambler

    The NAB is advertising that we should “go green” (and receive bank statements electronically).
    Political advertising from a bank?

  139. Bit old for a Nasho,must have scammed a few deferments.

    Not a scam. That was how the act was written.
    I find it ironic that a deferment is described as a scam, when the individual was conscripted in the first place.
    What would describe the process whereby the majority of 20 year olds escaped the callup because they weren’t balloted in?
    Was that also a scam?
    And before you start screaming “Vietnam” again, scroll up and observe who introduced it into the thread.

  140. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    stalin’s butt-boy numbers the coward and racist bigot:

    I was at Teachers’ College in 1966 and 1967. My callup ….

    He’s back on his fave subject!

    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam
    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam
    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam
    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam

    It’s like a really stupid broken record.

  141. Oh come on

    You aren’t demonstrating any knowledge of Bloom’s Taxonomy, numbers. It’s pathetic. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’ve refused to engage me on matters that Bloom’s Taxonomy would consider higher order issues, namely the highest order – evaluation. Yet you’ve always run a mile from this and instead fall back on one of the lowest order of knowledge (regurgitating facts – pity numbers is so crap at this).

    Seriously, you’re mixing it with someone who actually knows what they’re talking about. And yet you’re taking 20min breaks so you can read up on what I was speaking of. Oh, you didn’t think I’d notice?

  142. Gab

    Yes, MK50, it’s the Never Ending Story, even after it was shown that he could elect not to go to Vietnam if he so chose.

  143. Oh come on

    Oh don’t let the weasel change the subject. Engage him on what he needs to desperately research. His time in Vietnam I’m sure is imprinted on his brain.

  144. Liberals’ vote dives in WA election

    Liars and spin for the left. Every single time, Tom. “Noice” to be so predictable.

    So a drop of 5.5% is what?
    Choose from “fall”, “drop” “went down”…….
    Thay all have a similar meaning to “dive”.
    And somehow comparisons with historical by election results (as Julie Bishop did on air this morning) is not spin? It was not a by election.

    “Noice” to be so predictable.

  145. incoherent rambler

    Choose from … “went down”…….

    I think that an ex PM and the relationship with union officials has been discussed enough!

  146. Oh come on

    he’s trying to posture here. Call him out, use the source he used, wikipedia, Bloom’s Taxonomy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom%27s_taxonomy

    easy

  147. Bruce

    I knew a few like this clown,who went for the deferment thinking if they could stall for long enough Nashos might be cancelled.Big mistake,huge mistake! Instead of doing the few months Nasho they got caught up like the resident fool and just like the resident fool never got over it. They’re still whinging about the unfairness of it all and are best avoided.

  148. Oh come on

    his alleged expertise is as easily acquired as yours could be. Take 20 mins to research your brief – he did.

  149. You aren’t demonstrating any knowledge of Bloom’s Taxonomy, numbers. It’s pathetic. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You’ve refused to engage me on matters that Bloom’s Taxonomy would consider higher order issues, namely the highest order – evaluation.

    You really do post lies.
    What you wrote is –

    You’re still on the bottom rungs of Bloom’s Taxonomy, aren’t you?

    By definition, an individual cannot be placed on the “rung” of a taxonomy.
    A taxonomy is a classification into ordered categories.
    You mistook Bloom’s taxonomy for a measure of cognitive capacity, and have been trying distraction ever since.
    It is not used to describe a person’s capacity.
    You plucked it out of your head to try to impress the usual suspects (they are easily impressed) and in the process misused it, showing clearly your ignorance of the subject.
    Then you tried to distract by having a go at me because I was deferred and showing your ignorance of history in the process.
    Try something else – you know, third time lucky etc….

    And whilst you’re floundering around, show me the “higher order” matter that I refused to engage you on.

    The hole’s getting bigger….

  150. srr

    Finally we must acknowledge the evidence that the AEC is now corrupt. Corrupting one election result could be considered unfortunate. The SA gerrymander and the WA nursing home debacle are beyond careless.

    Keep in mind that these are not the only examples of the ‘way beyond dodgy’ AEC, and they go back, including when during the hunt to track down and enroll everyone, including HOMELESS ‘people’, people who were enrolled, were turning up to vote to find they no longer existed.

    Actually, if Cats are already board with talking about this WA Senate, re-run election, how about chatting about and listing all those very many dodgy procedures and results, just from when Rudd was first inflicted on us.
    Any more would make the thread way too long.

  151. Oh come on

    Oh, numbers. I’m simply observing that you have refused to go beyond the lower rungs of Bloom’s Taxonomy. Perhaps you’re able to step up. Point is you’ve refused to do so.

  152. I knew a few like this clown,who went for the deferment thinking if they could stall for long enough

    Given that you are still going on about Vietnam…
    I did not “go for deferment”.
    There was an agreement between the Dept of Labour and National Service that all teachers called up during their pre-service training were deferred until they had taught for a year. This was based on the legislation at the time. The only choice I could have made would have been to enlist immediately. If I had done that, I would have lost my job, and forfeited any right to reinstatement on RTA.
    I continue to be gobsmacked by the level of ignorance and cliche surrounding this stain on our history.

    Instead of doing the few months Nasho they got caught up like the resident fool and just like the resident fool never got over it.

    That is absolute bullshit.
    It made no difference when you were called up, or whether you were deferred, the period of service was two years. There was nothing to gain by deferment except delay. The “few months” was always 24. But then, I wouldn’t expect you to know that.

  153. tomix

    The Bjelke-Petersen Government thwarted the attempt to introduce MACOS and SEMP [bloons taxonomy] in Qld in 1976. This bleat by socialists documents how organised the “right” was in
    those years. http://www.rilc.uts.edu.au/archives/pdfs/RED8.pdf

  154. I’m simply observing that you have refused to go beyond the lower rungs of Bloom’s Taxonomy.

    I’m surprised that I have to spell it out.

    Bloom’s.Taxonomy.is.a.classification.of.learning.objectives.
    It.is.not.used.to.describe.a. person’s.cognitive.capacity.

    Talk about two short planks…..

  155. Oh come on

    Recall that I invited you to engage in a discourse that would constitute higher order communication – evaluation.

    Yet you have consistently tried to do a bait and switch – yeah, these are lower order cognitive abilities regarding petty regurgitations of facts (which you often get wrong).

    Pity you’re so crap at this.

  156. Bruce

    The “gain” by deferment was the misplaced expectation/hope that Nashos would be cancelled ,as I said I knew a few who thought that they could avoid Nashos if they could stall for long enough but ended up getting caught. Bad luck or as some might say,bad judgement.

  157. Recall that I invited you to engage in a discourse that would constitute higher order communication – evaluation.

    And

    Look, I tried to engage him in the arena of ideas, but he shied away from that. He prefers to lamely attempt to pull rank (oh the irony) on peripheral issues in which his incompetence has been on display for all to see since he first started commenting here.

    OK – Show me where this alleged “refusal to engage” is.
    I’m fascinated.

  158. I knew a few who thought that they could avoid Nashos

    And what did you do, Bruce?
    Did you volunteer?

  159. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Hmm.

    Puddles of drool and faeces all over the thread.

    The high pitched whining sound of:

    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam
    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam
    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam
    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam

    Who’s been feeding the cowardly racist bigot?

  160. Snoopy

    Some other observations –
    1. Biggest decline in votes was suffered by the Libs.
    2. The LDP vote went backwards.

    Shit you’re stupid Bobby. I hope you don’t teach maths. A 4.8% fall ALP vote means that they’re their 2014 primary vote is 18% lower than the than their 2013 primary vote. The Libs vote is 14% lower than 2013.

  161. Ripper

    One bright spot is that the green vote is down 25% in my town. There are only three I have to worry about now.

  162. MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam
    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam
    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam
    MeMeMeMeMeMeMeMe
    VietnamVietnamVietnam

    Reminds me of Agro……makes about as much sense and is boringly repetitious.

    Jaimie Dunn’s a good bloke though…..

  163. incoherent rambler

    I did not hit him.
    A $450 per hour barrister who said at a dinner – “It is clear that most of the intelligentsia vote for the greens”.

  164. A Lurker

    That inflated Greens vote and the 30,000+ new enrolments means that the two are likely linked.

    The Greens vote went down in Tasmania last State election, so I wonder if a majority of Greens from Tassie up and moved to the West to help vote a Greens senator in Federally.

    I wouldn’t put it past them – also the Greens vote would have been inflated by Left-wingers who were pissed-off with Labor’s dramas and the stench of Union corruption that is starting to adhere to that party.

  165. Fisky

    Did Bloom come up with a negative scale as well, such as “non-knowledge”, “mis-comprehension”, “anti-analysis”, etc? It’s a shame he didn’t, because that’s really where we’re at with Numbers, an innumerate crank.

  166. Gab

    Lurker it’s not that far fetched. Anyone can change their address online with the AEC and not have to provide any proof that you have actually moved to another state.

  167. 1735099

    Now Fisky beclowns himself by referring to Bloom’s taxonomy as a “scale”.
    And OCO has skulked away after being shown up as a liar.
    Bruce, also, has done a runner.
    What’s the collective noun for weasels?

  168. tomix

    If a person is enrolled under a false name and address, they might as well vote at every polling place they can get to between 8am and 6pm. There’s not much chance of them ever being sprung.

    If 20 of them hire a minivan……

  169. 1735099

    It’s “boogle” or “confusion”.
    The latter is apt – they’re eternally confused based on what they post here.

  170. Fisky

    Numbers, you can call it a pinapple if you like, but obviously any list of outcomes ordered by degree of difficulty or challenge can be called a “scale” in the vernacular. It’s clear that your real aversion to the taxonomy, which you apparently studied in high school (!) is based on your inability to deal with numbers larger than, say, 1 or 2.

  171. Fisky

    It’s well worth remembering that Numbers denied there was any link between government policy and boat arrivals. That’s the level of disability we are dealing with here.

  172. tomix

    . Anyone can change their address online with the AEC and not have to provide any proof that you have actually moved to another state

    If that’s happening, the “voter” still has to have an address in his new state. Some units could have 3rd. world occupancy levels- according to AEC rolls. anyway.

  173. 1735099

    Bloom’s taxonomy is not a “scale”.
    It it was, it would be called “Bloom’s Scale”.
    Show me where I denied any link between government policy and boat arrivals.
    Typical Cat technique – if you’ve beclowned yourself change the subject quickly.

  174. Gab

    One of the most widely used ways of organizing levels of expertise is according to Bloom’s Taxonomy of Educational Objectives. (Bloom et al., 1994; Gronlund, 1991; Krathwohl et al., 1956.) Bloom’s Taxonomy (Tables 1-3) uses a multi-tiered scale to express the level of expertise required to achieve each measurable student outcome. Organizing measurable student outcomes in this way will allow us to select appropriate classroom assessment techniques for the course.

    https://teaching.uncc.edu/learning-resources/articles-books/best-practice/goals-objectives/blooms-educational-objectives

  175. Yobbo

    Gaystapo tactic

    1: accuse critics of being obesessed with homosexuals.

    Nobody needs to accuse you CL.

    Close to 50% of your posts concern homosexuals. You are completely obsessed.

  176. Gab

    Creating Tests That Assess Higher Order Thinking Skills

    Innovative Educators

    Dr. Jennifer Hurd

    October 13, 2010

    Objectives

    When you complete this workshop, you should be able to:

    Write different types of questions that will assess more than knowledge and comprehension on the Bloom’s Taxonomy Scale.

  177. Fisky

    Numbers, if you honestly think I’m interested in a semantic debate with a complete idiot, you’re wrong. What is unquestionably true is that you predicted confidently last year that boats would continue to arrive irrespective of government policy. Whoops!

  178. Fisky

    Fisk Junior is demanding immediate attention, so I’ll have to leave Gab to clean up the car wreck (sorry Gab)! Luckily, no one else was killed or injured…

  179. srr


    If
    a person is enrolled under a false name and address, they might as well vote at every polling place they can get to between 8am and 6pm. There’s not much chance of them ever being sprung.

    If 20 of them hire a minivan……”

    ….and then there are all those too clever by half, nerdy net heads who take pride in hijacking others identities….

  180. Senile Old Guy

    Interesting article about the results of adopting Blooms Taxonomy-

    http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML%20Pages/BloomFinalPub.htm

    I don’t think you want to go there for support. The guy who wrote that believes this:

    The truth is that the attacks on 9-11 were perpetrated by Israel, aided and abetted by high officials in the U.S. Government…He makes an irrefutable case that Mossad organized and executed the 9-11 attack. Senior members of the Bush administration were active collaborators.

    And, much as I don’t want to say it, what Numbers says about Bloom’s Taxonomy is more accurate than what most others have said.

    OCO:

    Incidentally, Bloom’s Taxonomy is terribly hackneyed relic of pedagogy which is basically ignored outside of pedagogy.

    Well, (a) it is not a “hackneyed relic” but is commonly used to assess the level of complexity of an educational task (I wouldn’t call them educational objectives although they are often described as such).

    Oh, and (b) pedagogical concepts that are ignored “outside of pedagogy”? Who would have thought? I’ll bet there are medical concepts that are ignored outside medicine; and engineering concepts that are ignored outside engineering…

  181. 1735099

    Gab
    Fascinating but irrelevant. Scales have been developed over the years from Bloom’s original work, but they are used for classifying asesment tools, rather than assessment of individual students.
    I pointed this out above when indicating that the poster whoever it was – doesn’t really matter – couldn’t tell the difference between curiculum content and attainment.
    And Fisky invents an excuse to disappear when his verballing is called.
    Pathetic.

  182. Isn’t it funny how when Numbers appears, a thread on – let’s say, just by way of example – the WA Senate election becomes a thread about Vietnam, his service record, and his ideas on pedagogy.

  183. Senile Old Guy

    Fisky:

    Numbers, you can call it a pinapple if you like, but obviously any list of outcomes ordered by degree of difficulty or challenge can be called a “scale” in the vernacular.

    It is called a taxonomy but it is better thought of as a scale; and most I work with consider it as such.

  184. srr

    Anyone can change their address online with the AEC and not have to provide any proof that you have actually moved to another state

    If that’s happening, the “voter” still has to have an address in his new state

    oh what, like Bruce Wilson had the Victorian address of a house Ralph Blewitt ‘owned’, that Julia Gillard visited…that sort of “having an address” that Labor Union Thugs are so good at “getting”?

  185. Snoopy

    How difficult would it be to institute an electronic roll and voter ID? Australian voters are disgusted with the current process which they know can be, and is being, gamed. There has never been a better opportunity for change. Would make an excellent DD trigger too.

  186. 1735099

    Isn’t it funny….

    Well no.
    When you look back through the comments you’ll notice that when I defend myself from abuse (usually directed at my service, or at my profession) the derailment inevitably follows.
    I’m going to continue to defend myself, so there is a very simple solution to derailment.
    Avoid ad hom abuse.
    This is not rocket science, but the adolescents responsible don’t get it.
    Not my problem.

  187. tomix

    Senile Old Guy:
    I don’t think you want to go there for support. The guy who wrote that believes this
    Do you have any criticism of the content of the information i linked to?

  188. old bloke

    Do you have any criticism of the content of the information i linked to?

    Try anti-semitic Texe Marrs crap for starters.

  189. A Lurker

    How difficult would it be to institute an electronic roll and voter ID? Australian voters are disgusted with the current process which they know can be, and is being, gamed.

    I’ve been saying that for awhile – perhaps along the lines of a plastic swipe card with your name and address coded onto it – you swipe it once when you collect your ballot papers (and also your name gets cross-checked at the same time against the master roll) and your name is electronically ‘marked-off’ for a certain length of time once you have voted – perhaps 62 days. All Governments need to do is not have another Local/State/Federal election in that timeframe.

  190. tomix

    old bloke- have reread the article and cannot find evidence to support yore claims.

    Here is the link again- http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML%20Pages/BloomFinalPub.htm

    Blooms Taxonomy sounds like a brainwashing manual to me. Your views?

  191. How difficult would it be to institute an electronic roll and voter ID?

    In Queensland every school has connection to the EQ intranet network. Schools are utilized as polling places.
    It ought to be technically straightforward to connect through this network to a central master roll, and mark voters as having discharged their responsibility in real time.
    Having said that, at one time I ran a school which had a classroom annexe in a large hospital.
    It occurred to me that kids hospitalized for long periods would benefit greatly by being able to connect in real time (email/skype) etc with teachers and fellow students in their schools of origin, particularly in secondary, where they could complete assignments and be assessed, avoiding the need to repeat whole semesters to catch up upon discharge.
    I set the wheels in motion to make it happen.
    For reasons I don’t fully understand, lack of compatibility between the QHealth network and the EQ network was a major problem.
    Eventually it was done – took two years and a great deal of persistence, and was a very big deal in the sense that it made the QHealth in-house newspaper.
    Perhaps the same issues that delayed this are embedded in the systems used by the AEC.

  192. Senile Old Guy

    Do you have any criticism of the content of the information i linked to?

    The thing is written as a “conspiracy theory” critique of the taxonomy as a way to change the values of children and control them. (I won’t argue that this is not happening: for the US, see this site.)

    In practice, it is just used as a way of thinking about the complexity and difficulty of a particular task, as discussed here, for example.

    If you are putting together tasks (e.g. questions in a quiz), then it is a useful tool to ensure that different aspects of education — recall, understanding, application, etc. — are evaluated.

    The author also seems to view every kind of behavioural change as if it were malevolent and designed to pursue an agenda (again, I won’t dispute that some educators do have this view). But, if educators aren’t interested in changing their students, what is the point? But teaching someone to understand, rather than just recall facts, is, in itself, not inherently wrong.

    And some of what he says is simply wrong:

    A person’s environment would have only a very slight and indirect impact on whether someone retains what they have learned in school.

    Note that no reference is provided for this ridiculous assertion.

    It is very important to note that, whatever Bloom himself thought, the taxonomy is now used in general teaching (in my experience) as discussed in the “Successful Teaching” blog post (I only grabbed that post as an example of the use of the taxonomy; that’s the first time I’ve seen the site): a useful tool for thinking about tasks, not more.

  193. old bloke

    Tom,

    My response was based on Senile Old Guy’s (that makes two of us) link in his response:

    I don’t think you want to go there for support. The guy who wrote that believes this:

    The truth is that the attacks on 9-11 were perpetrated by Israel, aided and abetted by high officials in the U.S. Government…He makes an irrefutable case that Mossad organized and executed the 9-11 attack. Senior members of the Bush administration were active collaborators.

    SOG’s link was to Edward Hendrie who is a conspiratorial nutter who hates Jews, Catholics, Communists, Masons, etc. etc.

    I have no views on Blooms Taxonomy, nor no interest.

  194. incoherent rambler

    perhaps along the lines of a plastic swipe card with your name and address coded onto it

    Like VIC drivers licenses. Anecdotally, all you need is money to get plastic with a dead persons name on it.

    Blue dye on the thumb. Simple and effective. Other 3rd world countries do it. We should adopt what works for our peers.

    A variation on the 4th law of thermodynamics would be “If an electoral system can be corrupted, it will be.

  195. tomix

    old bloke- Tom is a different commenter. The material you have produced there doesn’t appear in my link.
    If you’ve got an issue with Senile Old Guys link, take it up with him.

  196. The thing is written as a “conspiracy theory” critique of the taxonomy as a way to change the values of children and control them.

    I’ve been in the field (teaching) since 1968. I’d agree that Bloom’s taxonomy is mostly used as an organizational tool, particularly for assessment.
    What I find bizarre is the tendency (extant on many Right wing blogs like this one) to regard any attempt to organize curriculum as essentially subversive.
    It resembles the characterization of Islam as evil.
    When I studied Comparative Religion at U of Q in 1973, it was considered benign.
    The lunatics are taking over the asylum…….

  197. incoherent rambler

    Don’t take the bait cats. The guy is a nutter.

  198. srr

    Don’t take the bait cats. The guy is a nutter.

    mmm…yes….can’t help but notice how much, so many, don’t want to talk about an election (we only had to have, again, because ‘our’ electoral watchDOGS “lost” so many ballots), on the thread created to talk about that election.

    Isn’t chit chat, facebooking and dribbling shit, what the Open Thread is for?

  199. Cold-Hands

    While there are ways around the indelible ink- and the ink won’t stop pre-pollers having another bite of the cherry- it would help to reduce the number of repeat voters. However, the integrity of the roll must be the main priority. No more votes from dead people, pets or invented personae.

  200. tomix

    So … what’s yaw election comment?

  201. tomix

    Warts yaw election comment?

  202. Fisky

    Sorry, did Numbers just refer to a respected Phd-qualified teacher trainer as a “clown”? It rather looks like he did. Disgraceful, unprofessional and possibly defamatory. He should be disciplined at once by the relevant authorities and banned from teaching forever.

  203. Notafan

    I’d much rather have photo id and blue dye on thumb than anything else but I don’t know how that would fit with postal votes, unless postal votes were serial numbered and linked to individual voters.

  204. Cold-Hands

    The Wikipedia entry on Election Ink claims Canada and the USA have used it to prevent multiple voting, although it does not provide references. I’m curious to know when and where. Canada has recently brought in photo ID in order to vote, sparking the usual claims of disenfranchising the poor and indigent.

  205. Snoopy

    Notafan. Postal votes are returned to the AEC in two envelopes. The first is a std reply paid envelope. The completed ballot paper is placed in a second ballot envelope that has a tear-off tab attached on which the voter writes his name, address and makes declaration that the vote complies with the Act. Before postal votes are counted, the voter’s name is crossed off the roll and the tab is torn off. The unopened ballot envelopes are then opened enmasse thus preserving the secrecy of the each individual vote.

    The problem is that each polling booth has its own paper rolls and duplicate voting isn’t discovered until months after the poll has been declared.

  206. Senile Old Guy

    Fisky:

    Sorry, did Numbers just refer to a respected Phd-qualified teacher trainer as a “clown”? It rather looks like he did.

    Did he? Meaning me? If so, I don’t think I ever indicated I was a “teacher trainer”, although some in my classes may be doing teaching degrees. In any case, do I care?

  207. Notafan

    Snoopy, that was the issue I was trying to get to, having postal votes undermines any attempt to rein in voter fraud.
    If we allow prepoll and send AEC around old people homes maybe electronic voting for remote and overseas?
    Then the election results would be finalised more quickly?
    How many countries use postals?

  208. Fisky

    Did he? Meaning me?

    No, not you.

  209. Snoopy

    Postal and prepoll votes simply give the fraudster two more opportunities to make multiple votes in addition to visiting all polling booths.

    A problem with postal votes is that you can easily (unlawfully) vote after election day. By law the ballot should be posted on before 6.00 pm on election day, but the law also allows ballots to be returned to the AEC up to TEN! days after the election. The AEC does not check post marks. This is obviously open to abuse in close elections where people have the advantage of knowing the result before casting their vote.

  210. Rabz

    Isn’t it funny how when spudpeeler appears, a thread on – let’s say, just by way of example – the WA Senate election becomes a thread about Vietnam, his service record, and his ideas on pedagogy.

    Yes, it’s absolutely frigging hilarious. My sides are splitting even as I avoid the stinky droppings.

    FFS, he’s copped an absolute pasting today.

    What a fucking moron. Why does he bother?*

    *Rhetorical.

  211. politichix

    As far as I can see Numbers was appropriately discussing the election until OCO baited him. Vietnam was introduced as a topic by OCO and Bruce. You brought it on yourself guys!

  212. tomix

    Palmer is a lone voice against the election stealing AEC. Whether that helped PUP in W.A. yesterday, who knows.

  213. FFS, he’s copped an absolute pasting today.

    Not really.
    After OCO retired hurt, Fisky buggered off to sort his/her offspring, and Bruce went quiet, I was left with nobody to make look silly.
    You have a strange concept of “pasting”.
    And politichix is correct.
    See #1254743.

  214. Notafan

    It’s the 21st century time to get rid of postals, and maybe go ink and photo id, vote more than once and it’s gaol or a hefty fine

  215. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    vote more than once and it’s gaol or a hefty fine

    What suggestion do you have about the 30,000 extra voters that were registered in West Australia between the last federal election and this one? A figure far in excess of natural population increase?

  216. Notafan

    30,000 ??
    How many phantoms?
    Some must be legit kids turning 18 etc
    AEC should be checking registrations per household
    What’s the fine?
    I’m fine dining in Lyon right now, btw.:)

  217. Snoopy

    It’s the 21st century time to get rid of postals

    Some remote rural local governments in Queensland conducted their whole election by postal voting as recently as 2008. They may still do.

  218. entropy

    Who knew the knights of Ni had a chapter in Toowoomba?

  219. Notafan

    They must all have the NBN by now, they can evote

  220. Notafan

    Pwith r has picked his constituency.
    My dad called it voting with the hip pocket nerve.
    As for greens? Flabbergastingly stupid, or are they just swarming?

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