Guest Post: Anon – How magnanimous

Adam Goodes doesn’t seem very self aware. 

As a White Ribbon Ambassador since 2009, Goodes had focused his attention on domestic violence against women but last month …

- doesn’t section 18C of the RDA discourage people from speaking out about the domestic violence against women in indigenous communities?

Last May Goodes came to personify the state of racial vilification in Australia when he was called an ”ape” by a 13-year-old girl during the match between Collingwood and the Swans at the MCG.
”Under the old legislation I still didn’t charge her,” Goodes said. ”I accepted her apology and that was it. That was my choice.”

So he actually considered having the 13 year old charged? Do we really want to have a middle aged man having the discretion to have charges laid against teenage girls because of some words they might utter? It is easy to imagine how that situation to could lead to exploitation of young girls. Surely this is another good reason to repeal s18c.

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62 Responses to Guest Post: Anon – How magnanimous

  1. .

    Do we really want to have a middle aged man having the discretion to have charges laid against teenage girls because of some words they might utter?

    …and a damned good reason to view this white ribbon nonsense as pure horseshit.

    Good men don’t hit women…they also don’t need to brag about it.

  2. Lem

    Right up there with charging a baby for murder.

  3. Notafan

    Seriously Mr Goodes you were going to stand up in court and tell everyone a little girl weally weally hurted your feerwings, I don’t think so.

  4. calli

    Not much longer to go and Goodes, like Carr, will be claiming self parody.

  5. Gab

    Goodes called and had this to say:

    First of all, Aboriginal people have been here a lot longer than anybody else, so just remember whose lands you are on and maybe pay a little bit more respect to that.

  6. stackja

    Is Goodes seeking power?

    Liberty Quotes
    Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    — Lord Acton

  7. Marko

    The only appropriate epithet is idiot

  8. Kae

    It seems that Goodes is fed his lines.

  9. nerblnob

    Anyone who doesn’t wear a white ribbon is clearly in favour of domestic violence.
    Against women.

    I doubt Goodes would have charged her. He’s just throwing that in with hindsight to show what a magnanimous fellow he can be.

  10. tomix

    Just a guess – there’s a fair few male victims of female domestic violence in aboriginal communities.

  11. Pedro the Ignorant

    Who is pulling this fool’s strings?

    He hasn’t stopped bleating about being a poor downtrodden minority and what a rotten racist society we live in since being “elevated” to Australian of the Year. I haven’t heard a single positive statement from him, just bitter and twisted finger pointing at the vast majority of the Australian people.

    I fervently hope that AoY committee is feeling the pangs of deep remorse for appointing this semi literate cretin and that they ponder the consequences of poor decisions like this in the future.

    Better still, resign in shame and consign AoY to the rubbish bin of history.

  12. Sinclair Davidson

    Gentlepeople – please tone down the personal abuse and concentrate on the actual issue at stake.

  13. egg_

    First of all, Aboriginal people have been here a lot longer than anybody else, so just remember whose lands you are on and maybe pay a little bit more respect to that.

    And the genocide of the preceding Negroid population, hmmm?
    Ape Self-righteous turd.

  14. egg_

    Just a guess – there’s a fair few male victims of female domestic violence in aboriginal communities.

  15. Baldrick

    Under the current 18c legislation:

    Note: Subsection (1) makes certain acts unlawful. Section 46P of the Australian Human Rights Commission Act 1986 allows people to make complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission about unlawful acts. However, an unlawful act is not necessarily a criminal offence. Section 26 says that this Act does not make it an offence to do an act that is unlawful because of this Part, unless Part IV expressly says that the act is an offence.

    Calling somebody an ‘ape’, with no intention to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate is not an offence.

  16. nerblnob

    just remember whose lands you are on and maybe pay a little bit more respect to that

    I.e “we grew here, you flew here”
    Charming.

  17. nerblnob

    Everything you yell at the opposition players is intended to “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate” .

    Don’t you people ever go to the footy?

  18. C.L.

    “Under the old legislation I still didn’t charge her,” Goodes said.

    One of the great acts of masculine forbearance and magnanimity of our time.

    Perhaps of any time.

    He let the little girl walk.

  19. C.L.

    And wow. Goodes believes he has the power to bring charges now?

  20. Sepp

    Please enlighten me …

    was he playing football .. or what this silly game is called

    or was he deliberately listen out what little girls have to say ?????

    he should have been concentrating on the game.. if he is a professional ..

  21. mundi

    Goodes should stick to football because he is clearly stupid at law.

    He can’t charge anyone for anything and what the girl did is not illegal and not should it be.

  22. Baldrick

    Don’t you people ever go to the footy?

    No

  23. Josh

    Swans are now 1-3 after today’s 43pt loss to Nth Melbourne at the SCG.
    Freo coming to town next week.
    Premiership odds have drifted from 4-1 to 10-1 in four weeks.

  24. jupes

    Gentlepeople – please tone down the personal abuse and concentrate on the actual issue at stake.

    Goodes is the issue.

    He is using the priveliged podium given to him as Australian of the Year to offend and insult the majority of Australians. If he is going to give offence then it is only right that he gets some back.

  25. old bloke

    I am worried about Liz who often contributes here who refers to her partner as “The Hairy Ape”.

    She should be advised against using this term before the Australian of the Year points her out at a public gathering, has her marched off and detained by the local constabulary, names her as “the face of racism” in Australia, and then leaves her shamed and distraught to deal with the consequences.

    Liz, if you are reading, mellow that appellation, try “The Hirsute Hibernian”.

  26. Des Deskperson

    ‘Goodes should stick to football because he is clearly stupid at law’

    I’d be very surprised if Goodes had even heard of s 18c of the RDA Act – or possibly even the Act itself – at the time of the ‘ape’ incident. But it seems he’s now been very well coached in the last few weeks.

  27. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But it seems he’s now been very well coached in the past few weeks.

    My nasty suspicious mind is wondering whether there’s a nice, safe political seat somewhere….

  28. Anne

    I want to know why charges have not been brought on the child’s behalf against officials and ‘police’ for removing her from her guardian on the day.

    CL has raised this point before.

    I suspect they thought she was an adult and by the time they realized didn’t have the courage/humility to admit they screwed up so instead doubled down.

  29. Anne

    Old Bloke

    Liz, if you are reading, mellow that appellation, try “The Hirsute Hibernian”.

    Fluffy Imitator. ?

  30. JohnA

    nerblnob #1263716, posted on April 13, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Everything you yell at the opposition players is intended to “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate”.

    Don’t you people ever go to the footy?

    That’s exactly why I don’t!

    I would rather affirm, commend, honour and encourage people. I therefore do not immerse myself in that kind of environment.

    But that is my choice, and I would rather not have to depend on the legal system to support me. I would, however, prefer a legal system which had an optimistic/realistic outlook, rather than such a pessimistic one as is displayed by the RDAs and Human Rights/Equal Opportunity Acts of this country.

  31. JohnA

    Hey, old bloke:

    “Liz, if you are reading, mellow that appellation, try “The Hirsute Hibernian”.”

    Do you realise that what you said there is an Irish joke? Not allowed, mate! /sarc

  32. David

    First of all, Aboriginal people have been here a lot longer than anybody else, so just remember whose lands you are on and maybe pay a little bit more respect to that

    I know exactly whose land I’m on. It’s mine and anybody else’s who settled here legally or was born here. Mine by right of five generations of my family having served in its Armed Forces [one pre federation] with two of those generations at time of war.

    Next time someone of professed aboriginal extraction is bitching and bleats about “Invasion Day” they should be reminded they lost.

  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I know exactly whose land I’m on

    My grandfather took this place up after the First World War. Regarding “prior ownership’ he was adamant
    “Nothing. No campsites, no campfires, no middens, no skeletons, no bones, no cave paintings. Nothing. No sign that mine weren’t the first footprints ever trod on this part of the world.”

    I had to seek permission from the “traditional owners” of the land for a reforestation project. The “traditional owners” lived over two hundred kilometers away, and had never set foot on the land in their lives.

    I know exactly whose land I’m on. Mine. Three generations worked bloody hard to feed this country through depression and drought, and served in the military in times of war.

    “Invasion day.” No other race mounted such an ineffectual resistance, or merged so utterly with their conquerors.

  34. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “… doesn’t section 18C of the RDA discourage people from speaking out about the domestic violence against women in indigenous communities?”

    Now I understand why Goodes is blithely oblivious to the fact that, on this very night, women in Port Keats, Oombulgurri and Wadeye are copping a first class flogging from their noble warrior husbands – just like the last night.

    I wonder if he’ll start throwing his weight around amongst those blokes when someone tells him what they do to amuse themselves.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Well said, Mick Gold Coast.

    Has Mr Goodes ever been to such a community? A well respected, high profile individual should be able to explain that bashing your woman is the wrong thing to do – stand in the dust amid the wrecked houses and debris and tell the men OUTRIGHT!

  36. Gab

    women in Port Keats, Oombulgurri and Wadeye are copping a first class flogging from their noble warrior husbands – just like the last night. I wonder if he’ll start throwing his weight around amongst those blokes when someone tells him what they do to amuse themselves.

    He’s far too interested in promoting a change to the Constitution for “recognition” and bleating on about a 13 year-old girl mouthing off at him. These things are way more important to the likes of Goodes than speaking up about the old ways of which he probably has no knowledge.

    No, that’s left up to very few people, like Bess Price, Dr Stephanie Jarrett, Dr. Hannah McGlade, Mantatjara Wilson …

    I have even been warned by a white human rights lawyer from Melbourne that I could be charged with racial vilification under the Racial Discrimination Act. I have never heard this human rights lawyer speak out against the violence that is killing our women and girls. He wouldn’t even know about the deaths of the two young women in recent months and I doubt if he cares. There was no whitefella that could be blamed so he’s not interested. The hurt feelings of southerners who don’t like the truth are much more important to this human rights lawyer than the lives of our women and girls here in the bush. His priorities are obviously different from mine.

    – Bess Price, NT Legislative Assembly.

    As for the RDA, repeal it before it does more damage and further divides this nation based on “race” – something else Goodes is also good at.

  37. Ant

    The guy’s a cry baby. It’s amazing that his reaction generated the controversy that it did when in days gone by it would have been resolved with a simple “grow up you sheila!”

  38. Sinclair Davidson

    Peter56 — don’t know what you were thinking, but you’re not thinking it here.

  39. David Black

    I want to know why charges have not been brought on the child’s behalf against officials and ‘police’ for removing her from her guardian on the day.

    The girl and her family are at the rock bottom of the social scale and would be too intimidated by the wealth and power of the football culture to even think about it.
    Now … , if Julian Burnside or Marilyn Shepherd were to have taken an interest in the case, as they do with “refugees,” things might have turned out differently.

  40. Anne

    That’s a good opinion David, thank you.

    A child from a lower socio-economic background is dragged away by the authorities for bad mouthing a rich, famous, privileged victim.

    What is wrong with this picture?

    I have a mental image of street urchins and n’er do wells in their dirty rags as King Goodes swathes by in Ermine robes and points in judgement, “put that one in the stocks”.

  41. egg_

    A child from a lower socio-economic background is dragged away by the authorities for bad mouthing a rich, famous, privileged victim.

    What is wrong with this picture?

    ‘Rich middle-aged white black man’ involved.

  42. Tom

    What is wrong with this picture?

    The left has become the fat old ruling class establishment using the thought police’s totalitarian standover tactics to keep the little people down.

  43. Paul

    “just remember whose lands you are on and maybe pay a little bit more respect to that”

    Its not like they were using it.

  44. First of all, Aboriginal people have been here a lot longer than anybody else, so just remember whose lands you are on and maybe pay a little bit more respect to that.

    A young Filipino couple have just moved in next door to my parents. Nice as they are, I still reminded them of this, and that dad had been in this country a “lot longer” than them, and stated that they might like to pay a little respect to that.

  45. Jessie

    Guest poster, thank you for your post and pointing out the illogic and farce perpetrated by an adult on a 13 year old.
    peter56 must be on vacation Sinc?

    Experiment: the variable manipulated resulted in a response.

    Various proponents of maintaining 18C have an obvious wish to control who can and cannot speak. The accepted manner of Australians in open discussion and intellectual debate is destroyed. In this case, as with Mr Bolt, the approach taken by those offended was the path of modern stoning, twisting in ancient rites and non-secular authority to be leveraged above a free society.

    The defenders of 18C defend
    * arguments blended from human prehistory where ‘community tribal kinship leaders and elders’ speak always on behalf and for others,
    * indigenous ‘research and ethics’ attached to the former,
    * the Aboriginal industry of indigenous only variables**
    * the closed databases in research, health, education and training
    * the closed communities and
    * the PMs Advisory Council.
    Such is the long and violent history of this timeline of horror.
    Most humane, science minded peoples would have put the brakes on that Tönnies experiment eons ago, pulling all stops to do so.

    The bias of the gender debate needs to be scorched once and for all, for it is not just a gender debate.
    It is the grandmothers that support and perform the circumcisions and infibulations in Africa, as it is the women who participate in the ceremony process of the boys to undergo initiation and sub-incision in Australia. The same women who do not speak out about violence against young women, men and children.
    The young are NOT free to leave the hellholes. If they were free to speak up and to leave, the land owning family would be left, looking far and wide for a marriage partners(s) and a labour force to justify insitu-edness. The political experiment which morphed into a cultural one would be nullified, for that is what it is.

    ** which dilutes the real situation Mr Mundine, Ms Langton. The 17year health gap has been analysed and corrected, but we now wait for Indigenous scientists to make up the scientific contribution that was [deliberately omitted] missed for 40 years.
    cf Out of her hat, M Langton pulls a scientist, unrelated to the Bolt case.

    ABS (2011) at State/Territory not, I repeat not indigenous geographic community level nomenclature: (a) Due to significant changes in methodology, estimates of life expectancy at birth for 2005–2007 are not comparable to previously published estimates.
    ref: 4704.0 – The Health and Welfare of Australia’s Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples, Oct 2010
    Latest ISSUE Released at 11:30 AM (CANBERRA TIME) 17/02/2011 Final

  46. Jessie

    Oombulgurri Hope at last for hell on earth

    Six (6) years AFTER the (2008) Mullighan Royal Commission this……………..
    Police examine APY rape claims
    • by: Sarah Martin
    SOUTH Australian Police are investigating sexualised behaviour between children in the state’s northern Aboriginal lands amid reports boys as young as seven are being raped.
    The Weekend Australian understands there have been multiple cases of teenage boys sexually assaulting younger children in the community of Ernabella. Police have confirmed that one 15-year-old boy was charged for a sexual assault against a seven-year-old in the community last year.
    Sources say at least a dozen children have been sexually assaulted, but the state’s Child Protection Department has failed to respond adequately to concerns raised by the community. “South Australia Police are currently leading an investigation … into reports of sexualised behaviour on the Anangu ¬Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara Lands, which at this time appears to be between children,” a police spokesman said.
    “As investigations are ongoing, no further comment will be made.”

  47. Gab

    into reports of sexualised behaviour on the Anangu ¬Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara Lands, which at this time appears to be between children,

    No child rapes or otherwise sexually assaults another child unless they have been taught by adults via sexual molestation.

  48. Jessie

    Paul @ 8.55
    see my comment above on land colonisation viz usage.

    Additionally Aborigines established scaffolding for both longevity of endeavour and OHS purposes. This environmental/technological fact is backed up by NSW Dept Obeid Energy & Resources.

  49. Jessie

    Gab,

    ………….. ?pornography.
    Training in the culture, arts and digital media has been a long time federally and ?privately funded training exercise in the outback. Most outback posts have digital media and means to stream or drive/fly out VHS, CDs etc.

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Calling somebody an ‘ape’, with no intention to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate is not an offence.

    Well, thank goodness for that. Goodes would understand, to be sure. …. oh, wait.

    If it was an offense they’d have to get Desmond Morris for his book on human ethology, “The Naked Ape”, from which I take my cue. Also Eugene O’Neill, for his socialist-leaning play “The Hairy Irish Ape”, about a poor downtrodden immigrant Irish boiler stoker trying to find his way in the capitalist old US; a tedious leftie literary piece from which I take very few cues.

    Compared to me, mein man is rather hairy, although not excessively so for a male human. He is not offended by my noticing his interesting hairiness. I find it fascinating that something impels me to live with a creature so different to myself; as many women would concur – men are just not women, but something draws us to each other. My Hairy Ape would be offended, I think, if I hadn’t recognised our many physical differences as man and woman, and even more distressed if I hadn’t found these differences most attractive in his case. :)

    As for being Irish: he is very proud of that country’s extraordinary heritage and struggle, and so am I.

  51. Jessie

    Correction

    Second link should be NSW Department of Primary Industries (2007)
    PrimeFact 572 replacing Minifact 84
    Job number #7527
    Disclaimer: The information contained in this publication is based on knowledge and understanding at the time of writing (February 2007). However, because of advances in knowledge, users are reminded of the need to ensure that information upon which they rely is up to date and to check currency of the information with the appropriate officer of New South Wales Department of Primary Industries or the user’s independent adviser.

  52. Jessie

    Gab,

    The economy of the outback posts networked to the city, rural culture is well evinced by Lone Ranger Doyle.

    “It wasn’t just Oombulgurri, but Oombulgurri was different because it was run by very intelligent, very motivated people. It was like sticking bikies over there. They had their own little niche, they had women, money, food, alcohol, whatever they wanted.”

    A political economy supported by federal, state, territory and more recently philanthropic revenue. The revenue covering all facets of education & training, health, public health, welfare payments, culture, housing, and use of 18C.
    Hence IPAs work on this and their argument.

    Langton’s white noise reference to Geoffrey Partington Bennelong Society and Goode re-cemented the gumboots of young people and children.

  53. old bloke

    It wasn’t just Oombulgurri, but Oombulgurri was different because it was run by very intelligent, very motivated people.

    The Barnett government closed down Oombulgurri towards the end of 2011.

  54. Jessie

    Thanks old bloke,
    Thank the Lord one of our elected politicians used his courage and demonstrated his principles.

    For Lizzie, with her wonderful sense of humour and style and with minor reference in link to her comment on the Irish [language].

  55. Anne

    Pub Steve

    A young Filipino couple have just moved in next door to my parents. Nice as they are, I still reminded them of this, and that dad had been in this country a “lot longer” than them, and stated that they might like to pay a little respect to that.

    That’s hilarious! Yes, it should be the first thing we ascertain when meeting new people so that we all know who the person worthy of respect.

  56. It isn’t my words Anne. Someone else put it far better a few threads ago, to exactly the same statement (presumably from Goodes).

    I can see that response driving the multi-culti crowd nuts. It is what Excel spreadsheets call a “circular reference.” Used to see a lot of it when “animal rights” would conflict with “the environment”. They’d go up the wall trying to work out which one trumped in the left-wing game of ‘rock-scissors-paper’.

  57. Sir Fred Lenin

    The high deathrate amongst aborigines and semi indgenous people ,would have nothing to do with their Choice of Lifestyle? Would it ,drinking,smoking ,not eating properly,keeping irregular hours. Over eating sugar and lack of working ,(not. Unemployment,Sheer Laziness).one could hardly be surprised at health problems.Try living next to them,you will become an expert on their habits, I have met uni educated city people who moved to the country ,they were real do gooders when they first came there within six months they Absolutely Hated them,a complete change of attitude .

  58. .

    A young Filipino couple have just moved in next door to my parents. Nice as they are, I still reminded them of this, and that dad had been in this country a “lot longer” than them, and stated that they might like to pay a little respect to that.

    What an odd request. Maybe they’d rather not give a shit.

  59. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    drinking,smoking,not eating properly

    Might be hearsay, but I was told by an Aboriginal – a GUN shearer – that a higher percentage of Aboriginals didn’t drink alcohol as opposed to Europeans.

  60. Jessie

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    Current research supports that statement.

    Sir Fred Lenin
    The issue is not Aborigines and semi-Indigenous or lifestyle. Or racism as Ms Langton refers in her commentary to Mr Bolt of another Indigenous scientist, Yin Paradies paper.

    The principal legislation determining the functions and responsibilities of the Australian Bureau of Statistics are the Australian Bureau of Statistics Act 1975 and the Census and Statistics Act 1905.

    The issue is the manner in which the Statutory Authority ABS changes its methods of collection, use of several administrative databases and presentation of public information for one minority group. The information is used for Fed and State planning and budget allocation, grants, reporting etc.
    The data for the Indigenous minority group is aggregated at state/territory level reporting. There is no way of understanding what is happening at the age/sex level [0-4;5-9; 10-14 etc], the community level or to compare communities without breaching privacy. ie a community of 50, a community of 2000 or the western suburbs of Sydney/inner city Redfern, Mr Mundine’s community compared to Mrs Price community if there be a comparable population of this minority group (Indigenous) under the ABS geo-standard.
    *ABS operates a different geography classification standard for collections of Indigenous data to that of the classification geography standard for all other Australians. see ABS tab methods & classifications.

    “Life expectancy is a summary measure of mortality. It represents the estimated number of years a newborn baby would live if current mortality patterns remained constant throughout the baby’s lifetime.

    Life expectancy estimates refer to the average number of additional years a person of a given age and sex might expect to live if the age/sex-specific death rates for 2005–2007 were to continue throughout his/her lifetime.

    As outlined in Discussion Paper: Assessment of Methods for Developing Life Tables for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians, 2006, the ABS has introduced a new method to produce the 2005–2007 life tables. Based on analysis of the 2006 Census data, the ABS is of the view that previously used indirect demographic methods are no longer suitable for the purpose of compiling Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander life expectancy estimates.

    Consequently the ABS now uses a direct demographic method, which derives life tables for the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population by adjusting death registrations data by identification rates obtained from the Census Data Enhancement (CDE) Indigenous Mortality Quality Study.

    Life tables for 2005–2007 were compiled on this basis for New South Wales, Queensland, Western Australia, the Northern Territory and Australia. Due to the small number of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander deaths in Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania and the Australian Capital Territory, it is not possible to construct life tables for these jurisdictions.”

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