Insiders and Bolt Forum: April 13, 2014

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182 Responses to Insiders and Bolt Forum: April 13, 2014

  1. Rabz

    Regarding the ALPBC circle jerk – is it not time this was renamed “Outsiders”?

  2. Mike of Marion

    Bacon and eggs take precedent over Insiders!!!!

  3. Marc of Tamworth

    I’m going to go for a swim at the new gym in Tamworth at 9:00 AM for the first time on a Sunday, so I’ll have to watch recordings. No prizes for guessing what kind of left-wing “we was robbed” claptrap that Barry will be writing during his break for the next three months.

  4. Anne

    Rabz, isn’t it affectionately known as ‘Leftsiders’?

  5. They haven’t even started yet. How can I comment?

  6. Rabz

    Anne, I thinks Outsiders is more descriptive.

    The exact opposite of what they pompously claim to be and yet another outrage brought to you by the Abbottmonster.

  7. egg_

    Regarding the ALPBC circle jerk – is it not time this was renamed “Outsiders”?

    Out houses?

    Leftovers?

  8. custard

    We have to wait another 3 hrs for Bolt over here in the west so a replay of the golf is looking good.

  9. Tom

    Wall-to-wall leftist zombies as usual as Bawwie goes into gotcha hyperdrive against AbbottSatan’s bagman:

    Insiders
    Series 2014 | Episode 11
    Rated G

    Barrie Cassidy interviews the Treasurer Joe Hockey from Washington. On the panel: Chris Uhlmann, Laura Tingle and Malcolm Farr. Plus Mike Bowers talks pictures with Jack the Insider.

  10. jupes

    Barrie Cassidy interviews the Treasurer Joe Hockey

    Why do Coalition politicians give this show oxygen?

  11. Jupes, for the same reason I won’t vote Liberal again – they think that if they (libs) allow themselves to get kicked in the guts enough, people will feel sorry for them and give them votes.
    Either that or it’s because the Libs are a bunch of soft cock Chardonnay Socialists themselves.

  12. Alfonso

    Good ‘ol bad judgement Joe was instrumental in raising the political profile of the Lu Kewen on morning tv. Appearing regularly with Kev is in the same missing brain part as the Liberal’s now 13 year tolerance of Their ABC as the taxpayer funded media arm of Labor/Green.

  13. john constantine

    giving insiders to fran kelly means any attack on the show becomes an attack on diversity, gender, non-traditional relationship structures as well as the planet. Attacks by the privileged.

    I am struggling with the concept that the ‘privileged’ attack the abc. is there a name for the sort of people that see that argument as a claim by the abc to be ‘underprivileged’?.

    or is the abc ‘differently privileged’?. simply non-privileged? does abc privilege not count, as the abc feel underprivileged in their hearts, where it counts?.

    abc socialist multi millionaires, living in multi million dollar mansions ,with domestic household serfs, selling tax dodging high priced content to their cronies to cheat the australian tax system–this is now the face of underprivilege in australia?.

    [although i did see one underprivileged abc sort describe the shame of his childhood,where if he wanted to play tennis on a private tennis court,he had to ride his bike to his grandparents private tennis court, because his parents were too underprivileged to have one.]

    if being privileged is so evil, don’t we owe it to our abc to aid them?. Forcing privilege in the weight of money into the abc must make the abc a little conflicted?.

    we must help the abc check the cancerous privilege of money,by halting the cruelty of forcing cash onto them. let them live the noble underprivileged life they aspire to, instead of broadcasting as the voice of underprivilege, then back to soulless mansions, or having to commute to their country estates, let them go home to shanties in underprivileged suburbs and remove the internal conflicts from their lives.

  14. egg_

    Good ‘ol bad judgement Joe was instrumental in raising the political profile of the Lu Kewen on morning tv. Appearing regularly with Kev is in the same missing brain part as the Liberal’s now 13 year tolerance of Their ABC as the taxpayer funded media arm of Labor/Green.

    A classic case of politics being showbiz for fugly people.

  15. gabrianga

    Who IS this loud mouthed deep Green/Left Treasury boffin who opposes his Government during his speech in Washington?

    Why it’s none other than Michael Parkinson, Head our Head of Treasury recently granted an extension of contract by our Government.

    Mr Parkinson on another taxpayer junket let loose with his vast knowledge of the predicament of
    sinking islands in the Pacific in answer to a Fijian “Dorothy Dixer”..

    Please Mr Abbott apply the guillotine to Parkinson and all the Rudd/Gillard lickspittles haunting the upper echelons of our Public Service.

  16. Sir Fred Lenin

    Privelege,just read ,the wife of Australias chief shop steward Oliver is aJudge ! Wonder what the weekly income is in that house? Bloody incestuous lot the chardonnay mob arent they, Aristocracy without the Breeding and Manners and public spirit of the people who abolished slaveryand child labour and set up education and hospitals for poor people ,more socially aware than this lot.

  17. Baldrick

    Today on Insiders … Cuts to the aged pension – cuts to the ABC – Free Trade no big deal – gay marriage

  18. custard

    Abbott looked great on his overseas visit.

  19. Bill Shut

    Bad start to Insiders – they all turned up.

  20. custard

    Cassidy can’t help himself with the remark about ABC funding. I say let’s cut it and the efficiency argument is great way to do it without breaking a promise

  21. Whoo hoo doodle de doo….. they’re ropeable on Insiders this morning. ABC cuts, Joe Bullock “allowed” to remain in the Senate position, etc. etc. :-)

  22. Tom

    The pre-record with Hockey has a major bug in his audio. FMD.

  23. Anne

    Rabz
    #1263128, posted on April 13, 2014 at 8:22 am
    Anne, I thinks Outsiders is more descriptive.

    The exact opposite of what they pompously claim to be and yet another outrage brought to you by the Abbottmonster.
    egg_
    #1263129, posted on April 13, 2014 at 8:24 am
    Regarding the ALPBC circle jerk – is it not time this was renamed “Outsiders”?

    Out houses?

    Leftovers?

    How about ‘Outliers’, make that ‘Outliars’. Works both ways.

  24. Mike of Marion

    Tom, I have no doubt in my mind that all these ‘technical difficulties’ are planned.

  25. custard

    Cassidy and the rest of the left cannot wait for the commission of audit report.

  26. .

    Cut the budget in real terms and taxes as well until the debt is paid off, and do so that it is paid off within two terms of government. From here, leave the budget balanced and keep the tax:GDP ratio at this level or less for all time except in an emergency like WWII.

    If there is no money left over for this ALP and Greens propaganda, so be it.

  27. custard

    Tom re: the audio, it sounds like Joes voice is wavering.

  28. Tom

    Out of incompetence and conspiracy, back the idiot factor every time, Mike. The point is we’ve given a billion-dollar budget and Rolls Royce facilities to a bunch of fucktards who couldn’t run a student newspaper.

  29. Tintarella di Luna

    The entire transmission of the ABC except some of the regional stations is a technical fault sheeted home to the fact that the power is on.

    abc socialist multi millionaires, living in multi million dollar mansions

    that is the profile of most of my friends and relations who listen to the lefty pap and swallow.

  30. custard

    Cut family payments Joe this middle class welfare must stop

  31. Anne

    This ABC channel cost $1,200,000,000 a year.

    That’s this – 50,000 low paid Australians wouldn’t have to pay tax this year. And another 50,000 next year.

    That’s a lottery the public could really get behind.

    $1.2 Billion working in the economy instead of stuck behind glass in the lounge room.

  32. Tintarella di Luna

    Didn’t think that rancid show fronted by scrotum-face could get worse – but of course it will once the fat-faced ‘activist’ takes the clipboard they might need a larger chair though.

  33. PT

    Bob’s book advertisement

  34. custard

    The ministers from the former are just a total embarrassment . Carr what a goose!

  35. custard

    Tingle thinks it great ! A foreign minister who she declares knew absolutely nothing. Careful Chris with comments like that Barrie will have you banned like Piers.

  36. Tintarella di Luna

    Joe Hockey has gone very grey quite suddenly I think around about September 9 when they had a look at the books he went grey overnight.

  37. Tom

    The Labor club is having a delightful fireside chat about the government — err, the preferred previous government we may never see again, that is.

  38. custard

    So we have just had a very successful visit overseas from the PM but the story on Insiders is Carr who knew and did nothing and his bloody pyjamas !

  39. Michel Lasouris

    Their new host Frank Elly might consider recasting this “show” by introducing a bit of balance.
    Maybe four guests; two from the Right and two from the Left. And how about to males and two females? Best of all, a male and a female of each persuasion ( political, not gender-wise, we’ve got that covered already)

  40. Tom

    The (technically fucked up) Hockey interview was all the needs to be mentioned about the government of the day. The question is: can they soak up another 20 minutes without having to mention AbbottSatan’s ground-breaking visit to Asia?

  41. Turtle of WA

    My father, years ago, said of scrote-face: that man has a ‘head like a walnut’.

  42. incoherent rambler

    My only hope is that the union RC (following the corruption trail) ends up at the ABC.

  43. Tom

    Goog god! They’ve mentioned the ‘A’ word at last.

  44. custard

    The ALP could use a heap more Joe Bullocks. Cassidy doesn’t understand this nor Tingle.

  45. Tintarella di Luna

    I can’t do this anymore — cleaning up the barker berries is far more appealing

  46. Ant

    They’re not “outsiders” at all and are very much part of the political/ruling/media class and would consider themselves as such.

    Would any of them have even the most tenuous connection to the life of an ordinary Joe living in an outer suburb or in regional Australia?

    ‘Onesiders’ is the perfect name. That’s all they represent and the longer they continue the stronger the case to axe the entire corporation gets.

  47. custard

    @Tom “goog god” is that a reference to egg cooking prowess?

  48. Tom

    The Ramsay housekeeper/love interest says the Jap FTA was useless for farmers — except the beef industry. And AbbottSatan is selling the farm to the leetle yellow people. Isn’t it exhilarating to have someone with politics to the left of the Greens writing about politics for the national business daily?

  49. egg_

    Apparently the Used Carr Manual was a parody? (or something?)

  50. Tom

    And that was ol’ leathery’s last show. No Onesiders next week, then Bawwie is “on sabattical” and the new host Frank Elly (thanks Michael L) takes over. Um, $1000 says he won’t be back.

  51. egg_

    selling the farm to the leetle yellow people.

    The Left haven’t woken up to the fact that we’re in S.E.A. or are we Europe’s ‘overlords’ of the region or summut?

  52. Tom

    Baaam!!! Bolta’s opener on Labor’s new Greentard activist class — and not unions — being the party’s real problem is a cracker.

  53. Turtle of WA

    Bolta’s opener on Labor’s new Greentard activist class — and not unions — being the party’s real problem is a cracker.

    You’ll notice the change from Red Kerry to Ms Snowcone on 7.30, and from Scrote to Mr Elly on One siders, follows this trend.

  54. Marc of Tamworth

    I have to agree with egg_ that “leftovers” is a perfect name for “Insiders”

  55. Honesty

    Carrtikki Holiday Diary is just cheap and boring.

  56. Tom

    Someone has had a word with Cassie Wilkinson about shedding the old grandma clothes. She looks sensational.

  57. H B Bear

    Mrs Snowcone is unwatchable on the 7.30 Report. She looks and sounds like she has a lemon suppository every morning.

    Either that or breakfast with Snowcone.

  58. PT

    If she spoke with a French accent, she would be purrrfect

  59. Anne

    Janet and Cassandra!

    Can someone throw some jelly in!

  60. Bert

    Doesn’t Cassandra Wilkinson’s hairstyle make her look like Morticia?

  61. Tom

    Janet, Janet, Janet. Studio tanning is bad for you, sweetie.

  62. PT

    The pic of James Packer has just killed the mood

  63. Shelley

    Tom, more of the ALPBCs infamous ‘technical difficulties’. Always and only when interviewing a Coalition member or when someone gets through the filter to discuss AWU/HSU et al.

    This morning I decided not to watch, my blood pressure is better for it. Reading through the comments and the topics ‘discussed’ (read that one agreed with the other who agreed with the other) – I made the right choice. Will tune into Bolt now though.

  64. egg_

    Janet and Cassandra!

    A bit of glamour on commercial telly, Aunty reserves hers for ABC24.

  65. Tom

    Blue eyes forgive a lot of imperfections, Bert.

  66. egg_

    one agreed with the other who agreed with the other

    They certainly rallied to Used Carr’s defence but even Farr Out agreed he’d made a Boob of himself in public (again).

  67. PT

    Jenny Mac’ looks to be near to pension age herself

  68. Alfonso

    Janet needs to deep six the Michael Costa glasses.

  69. gabrianga

    No offence meant but, F*** off PT .

    Jenny Mac looks older than my Granny who passed away more than 40 years ago.

  70. Shelley

    I actually don’t get Cassandra at times…I assume that because of her politics she will come out with the usual drivel…but then she actually talks logic and sense.

  71. Habib

    The ABC sums itself up by giving air-time to the demented Helen Cadicott. No rational person takes the slightest notice of the menopausal old ratbag, who holds no qualification whatsoever in the field she’s chosen to babble about. What a waste of the cost of a meddical degree, I wouldn’t let the deranged fossil work on an ingrown toenail.

  72. manalive

    Bolt seemed more disciplined this week, maybe the effect of excellent female company.

  73. Tom

    I actually don’t get Cassandra at times…I assume that because of her politics she will come out with the usual drivel…but then she actually talks logic and sense.

    Cassie started out as a journo. Unlike the activists at Fauxfacts and the ABC, she understands that journos have only one thing to sell that the public wants to buy: credibility created through always striving to tell the truth without fear or favour. Though she’s a leftard and worked for the Liars at one staged, she prepares well for her role as a Bolt commentator; if you listen carefully, her research is first-class.

  74. gabrianga

    After following Mr Henderson’s “100 year war” with Queenie from the ABC. Guardian and all points Left I found it amusing for Gerard to suggest Mike Smith was a “bit obsessive” about Gillard and the AWU.

  75. Anne

    Yes Gabrianga,, that jarred with me a bit. As if being dogged in trying to get to the truth is a bad thing.

    We’re Woodward and Bernstein “obsessive”?

  76. Bill Thompson

    Folks,

    I watched “Insiders” this morning, vainly looking for a conservative voice on the panel. Afterwards, I decided to take matters into my own hands & slipped around to the ABC studios to see if I could get an in-depth interview with any of them, myself. Malcolm Farr obliged! Apologies for my crap camerawork, though…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgoMP3wY65s

    Malcolm went back in the building & this was ‘Take 2’, when they all emerged, a few minutes later…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctFASeFKJnw

    I’ll check in later to see if the links work – if not, I’ll try again.

    Cheers,

    Bill T

  77. After following Mr Henderson’s “100 year war” with Queenie from the ABC. Guardian and all points Left I found it amusing for Gerard to suggest Mike Smith was a “bit obsessive” about Gillard and the AWU.

    FMD

    If I’d lost my job over such an outstanding and thumpingly unjust piece of jiggery-pokery, I’d probably be a bit obsessive about it.

  78. johanna

    Must agree that Cassandra is a bit of a loose cannon. She talks sense, then suddenly her blood sugar level changes or something and she is off with the pixies.

    She’s not what would be regarded as “sound” or reliable in a high pressure policy environment. I suspect that when her looks fade, it will all be over.

  79. WhaleHunt Fun

    “Outsiders”?
    After reading Mr Gerard Henderson’s explanation of the ABC’s promotions over the years of legalising pedophilia combined with Mr Muirhead’s conviction for child pornography, “outsiders” is not nearly sufficiently vicious a term. The ABC’s only utility is as an organ bank to keep Mr Murdoch alive. The use of their bodies to keep their hated enemy alive long after his natural term is insufficient punishment, but would be a good start.

  80. will

    Yes Gabrianga,, that jarred with me a bit. As if being dogged in trying to get to the truth is a bad thing.

    We’re Woodward and Bernstein “obsessive”?

    only because it was a Republican President

  81. sabrina

    Hockey wants us to keep working longer.
    He (and his ilk on both sides) should practice what he is preaching without dipping on to the taxpayers for perks. All taxpayer funded travel and who knows what should stop the day he leaves politics.

  82. Cheryl

    Hockey did mention the Pollies to be included as well re cuts.

  83. Oh come on

    Cassandra works for the CIS. Nuff said.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Tim Blair on Bolt’s media segment. I wonder if he’d do it?

  84. tomix

    Swan wanted us to keep working longer too. But his upping the pension age by 2 years starting 2023 didn’t generate any comment, from memory.

  85. johanna

    gabrianga – well put. The people who are promoting this line are invariably not going to be affected. They have had high incomes while working, and are now on (or look forward to) comfortable pensions or other income for life.

    Tightening of the belt for thee, but not for me. Stuff them!

  86. Gilas

    The ABC’s only utility is as an organ bank to keep Mr Murdoch alive. The use of their bodies to keep their hated enemy alive long after his natural term is insufficient punishment, but would be a good start.

    No WhaleHunt Fun, the Graft-versus-Host reaction following the transplant/s would kill Rupert in minutes, these sub-humanoids are only useful as dog or pig meat… barely.

  87. Gab

    Swan wanted us to keep working longer too. But his upping the pension age by 2 years starting 2023 didn’t generate any comment, from memory.

    True.

    “From 1 July 2017, the qualifying age for Age Pension will increase from 65 years to 65 and a half years. The qualifying age will then rise by six months every two years, reaching 67 by 1 July 2023.

    Don’t recall any gnashing of teeth and media attacks of the Labor government at the time this was announced.

  88. egg_

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Tim Blair on Bolt’s media segment.

    +1

  89. Anne

    Gab,

    to 65 and a half …

    Did this create confusion regarding whether pension date was 182.5 days from birthday or birthday plus six calendar months?

  90. Gab

    Sorry, Anne, I’m not sure what you mean. Here’s the table:

    Date of birth Qualifying age at
    1 July 1952 to 31 December 1953 65 years and 6 months
    1 January 1954 to 30 June 1955 66 years
    1 July 1955 to 31 December 1956 66 years and 6 months
    From 1 January 1957 67 years

  91. tomix

    Just a guess- the majority have no idea that the pension age was raised a few years ago.

    They’re certainly going to hear about the coming rise though- no worries.

  92. JC

    Don’t recall any gnashing of teeth and media attacks of the Labor government at the time this was announced.

    No, at the time it was considered a very thoughtful and courageous decision by Shane Wand, according to Liars Party MSM supporters.

    Aren’t they just dicks.

  93. Viva

    She talks sense, then suddenly her blood sugar level changes or something and she is off with the pixies.

    Too true – she came out in support of open borders.

  94. candy

    Joe Hockey should keep quiet, I’m thinking. He’s scaring the daylights out of the Aged Pensioners.
    The party should muzzle him.

    And to break an election promise – curtains, surely they won’t.

  95. Gab

    And to break an election promise

    Has he actually broken the election promise, Candy?

  96. JC

    How are you coping JC?

    Fine thanks, Tom. We had a birthday party for wifey’s one of many siblings last night, which is why I’ve been outta the pic. She’s one of nine. :-) We had them all lined up and took pics of them. it was quite funny as they’re all slight variations of each other. Fme the boys in her family can drink. I’ve never seen so much booze consumed.

  97. JC

    I do have a problem with raising the pension age to 70 for all of us though. Perhaps it means that some categories need to save more to get them to 70. I’m thinking of the building trades. There’s no way some of those guys can work effectively on buildings sites to 70′s. Their bodies give way by then. Mental acuity isn’t a huge problem at 70′s, but physical health could be for some people.

    I do agree with the policy, but it needs to be phased in, in order to give people time to make adjustments.

  98. JC

    Joe Hockey should keep quiet, I’m thinking. He’s scaring the daylights out of the Aged Pensioners.
    The party should muzzle him.

    And to break an election promise – curtains, surely they won’t.

    Better to surprise now. Welfare will send us broke.

  99. Gab

    I still can’t figure out how Hockey has broken an election promise.

    What are the details as I haven’t kept up on this.

  100. egg_

    There’s no way some of those guys can work effectively on buildings sites to 70′s.

    Also a danger to those below.
    The toxic safety guy* I worked with was a consultant past retirement age.

    *’Non creative’ jobs being a goldmine for the type, apparently.

  101. candy

    agree with jc

    If they can’t make savings without attacking the aged pension / retiring age first they’re in a heap of trouble electorally.
    I can’t believe they’d be so insensitive to the electorate.

    And Joe Hockey keeps mentioning it, I think he’s been reading Andrew Bolt too much because he’s promoting the daft policy.

  102. Gab

    Candy, I’m hurt that you’re ignoring my question.

  103. egg_

    …toxic personality, that is…

  104. Oh come on

    I do have a problem with raising the pension age to 70 for all of us though. Perhaps it means that some categories need to save more to get them to 70. I’m thinking of the building trades. There’s no way some of those guys can work effectively on buildings sites to 70′s. Their bodies give way by then. Mental acuity isn’t a huge problem at 70′s, but physical health could be for some people.

    Oh, they can go and spend the twilight of their careers at Bunnings. They do that already. Not many of them can or do stick it out on site until they’re 65.

  105. egg_

    Oh, they can go and spend the twilight of their careers at Bunnings. They do that already. Not many of them can or do stick it out on site until they’re 65.

    A builder mate’s doing that at present.

  106. Oh come on

    Candy – I don’t see why this shouldn’t be phased in over time. It’s not like they’re going to tell some bloke who’s turning 65 tomorrow that he needs to postpone his retirement cruise for another 5 years.

    And there are too many people who have drawn the full pension throughout their retirement dying with way too much surplus money, and this is going to go on for years to come.

    I’ve met several oldies who have this mentality that they can live off the old age pension plus the returns from their super/investments, and as long as the principal doesn’t shrink, then all is well. I don’t see why the pension should subsidise this mentality.

  107. Gab

    Labor raised the retirement age from 65 to 67 from 2023.

    “It may be that my generation9 generation X) has to work for an extra three years (to age of 70) and we need to redesign our systems to manage that fact, “ Mr Hockey told ABC TV from Washington.

    That doesn’t seem so bad and it has nothing to do with the current pensioner recipients.

  108. Delta A

    I think they’re talking about an efficiency dividend, from which ABC, SBS and Fair Work are currently excluded. This isn’t breaking a promise in my opinion, certainly not like a ‘no carbon tax’ porky.

  109. candy

    I don’t see why this shouldn’t be phased in over time. It’s not like they’re going to tell some bloke who’s turning 65 tomorrow that he needs to postpone his retirement cruise for another 5 years.

    Agree with a lot of that, oco, but Tony Abbott went to election with promises of no changes to welfare in this term.
    I think this could go very badly, unless it becomes a policy for 2016 election with a mandate when people vote for those changes. And Joe Hockey explains nothing but just scares people.

  110. Oh come on

    Well if the changes are due to go into effect in 15 years time, wouldn’t he be right?

  111. tomix

    On housebuilding sites, maybe. On commercial sites, Tower Crane operators refuse to get out of the hot seat. Why would they? It’s a big drop in pay from $3k+ p/w to the pension.

    Couple of years ago, in Brisbane, the BLF ran a campaign to force the Tier 1 builders to install a personnel hoist next to all tower cranes because the climb up the internal ladder was getting a bit much for the older operators.
    Unsuccessful so far, but can’t be ruled out.

  112. Alfonso

    NZ has govt “superannuation” (only pretend, it’s a pension) that everyone collects without a means test, nil CGT unless you’re designated a trader and low company tax.
    A tax system that can’t last, the CGT benefiting elites won’t let it go without a fight.

  113. Oh come on

    Be interesting to see what happens to the Family Tax Benefit. That isn’t technically welfare, of course…

  114. Gab

    but Tony Abbott went to election with promises of no changes to welfare in this term.

    But are there any changes to the pension that will take effect this term, Candy?

  115. Toiling Mass

    Is Hockey announcing a reduction to funding the ABC for this budget, or is he throwing it out a couple of years as my recollection is that the Libs promised not to touch the sheltered workshop in their first term. Start the debate now.

    As much as I would like to see the ABC anthropoids reduced to their constituent chemical elements and sold to the Chinese to be consumed in manufacturing plasma screen TVs and mobile phones – as much as I would like to see this, this is playing right into the ALPBC’s hands, providing them a convenient cudgel to hit over the Libs’ heads everytime ‘cut’ or ‘promise’ is mentioned for the next few years.

    Seriously, did Hockey and Abbott really just now realise the tax-hoovering behemoth should be shorn a bit, or did they think of this before the election and made the promise anyway. I mean, lets be hones, the money they are looking at saving is a pittance – big risk, minimal return.

  116. Oh come on

    Why would they? It’s a big drop in pay from $3k+ p/w to the pension.

    If you’ve been on that money for a good few years, by the time you’re 65 or 70 you probably would be less concerned about being forced into retirement.

  117. johanna

    I can only assume that those who support this either have no financial worries, enjoy exceptionally good health, or are too young to realise what it means.

    By the time they are 60, most people who have done any job other than sitting on their bums all day have noticeable deterioration in their bones and joints. They start to creak, and ache. What’s more, they are not exactly catnip in the employment market. And they certainly can’t all be absorbed by Bunnings.

    So, in this Brave New World, they should join the queue at Centrelink, along with the bong brigade, until they are 67 (leaning on their Zimmer frames) and apply for 10 jobs a week to get their pittance.

    Most of them were not in super schemes for most of their working lives, because it was only for executives and public servants until 20 years ago.

    Nice.

    While ABC wankers get $250k plus a year, while hundreds of millions are wasted on the NBN, while politicians get generous pay rises and publicly funded superannuation – let’s pick on some poor bugger who heaved bricks or dug roads or stood on her feet in a shop all day and make them line up at Centrelink for what is not meant to be a long term survivable income until they drop.

    Arseholes.

  118. candy

    But are there any changes to the pension that will take effect this term, Candy?

    That’s what he needs to explain, I think, Gab. It seems he’s intent on altering the payment itself too, by linking it to the CPI and not average earnings or something – so the payment will not go up as much as people are used to. Okay for 2016 but in this term it will be deadly.
    Absolutely crazy stuff after Tony Abbott promised no changes to welfare. The government will lose its goodwill which is hard enough earned as it is.
    Joe Hockey shouldn’t take Andrew Bolt’s ideas as good policy, in my opinion.

  119. tomix

    You’ think so, but what are you going to do if you can’t go to work any more. And, believe it or not, some of these blokes spend it as fast as they get it.

  120. Gab

    Abbott promised “no cuts” to the aged pension.

    There seems to be a lot of hysteria over this when we don’t as yet know the details. I’m tipping nothing is going to change and nothing is going to be cut regards the aged pension this term. I reckon any change they propose will occur after 2020 and indexing the pension to rise against CPI rather than average male weekly earnings is not the same as a cut to the pension.

  121. Oh come on

    If your body can’t take the heavy stuff, find another job. Yes yes I’ve heard the old “I paid my taxes all my life” argument. If you’re planning on spending 20+ years on the pension, then you’re taking out more – a lot more – than you put in.

  122. Oh come on

    And they certainly can’t all be absorbed by Bunnings.

    Bunnings, Coles, whatever. You need a job, you take what you can get.

  123. Gab

    military pensions are increased by the CPI so why can’t aged pensions be indexed the same?

  124. candy

    military pensions are increased by the CPI so why can’t aged pensions be indexed the same?

    Because the election promise was no changes in this term.

    Joe Hockey is doing a lot of damage already, just by talking about “options”.
    Cutting/changes to any welfare in this term is exactly what LaborGreen is waiting for. Can you image how it will go.

  125. Gab

    Joe Hockey is doing a lot of damage already, just by talking about “options”. Cutting/changes to any welfare in this term is exactly what LaborGreen is waiting for. Can you image how it will go.

    Sorry but I haven’t heard Hockey say any of that at all.

  126. Delta A

    I’m just sorry I won’t be around when you turn 65 OCO, unless you have a cushy bum-sitting job. I guarantee you’ll change your tune big time, especially when you can’t simply ‘find another job’ as you flippantly suggest.

  127. Gab

    Candy I really doubt your current pension cheque will change at all so no need to worry just yet. Let’s wait and see what – if any – changes will occur and which generation it will concern. Also, Abbott never said there would be no change to the pension, he said there would be no cuts and to date there haven’t been any cuts.

  128. tomix

    It’s not strenuous work that stops blokes as much as the piss and other “goodies”.
    Raise it to 75.
    That’ll sort out the workers from the bludgers.

  129. Delta A

    Joe hockey isn’t doing the damage, Candy. It’s the scare-mongering Labor shills. Yes, changes must eventually be made, and surely one of those must be altering eligibility so that million dollar properties are part of the means test.

  130. candy

    No need to get testy Gab.

    I don’t receive any pension or welfare benefits, I’m self employed, so stop your snarkiness and read the Australian and find out what the Treasurer said.

  131. Johanna, I worked as a nurse until age 65. I was part time the last few years, as I had two grandchildren in my care, one autistic. Had it not been for the kids, I would have been quite happy to have continued until age 70. I have friends close to that age still working as nurses, including one who worked until age 74.
    If you look at the age of working nurses and doctors you might be surprised at how long they continue to work, yet health is one of the most stressful areas to work in, emotionally as well as physically.
    Farmers are another group who work well into their 70s, sometimes 80s, yet no one could say farming is not a physically demanding job.
    Construction is physically demanding but so are many other jobs and I guess it’s a matter of ensuring you remain in good physical condition when you can.

  132. Fisky

    Why can’t we just park the oldies in the public sector and stop hiring young ‘uns?

  133. Gab

    Wow! I actually wasn’t being snarky at all.

    Sorry if I assumed incorrectly that you’re on the pension. My bad. What I said above still stands and yes I have read the Australian and so far the treasurer has said nothing at all about cuts to the pension. But clearly this whole fear-mongering exercise by Labor, Greens and the media has got you terribly upset. Plenty of time to be fearful and upset if the Libs do actually cut pensions and do make changes to pensions in this current term, until then I don’t see the point of being fearful over nothing.

  134. Fisky

    BTW – Abbott can easily increase the pension age to 70, phasing in from 2025-2030 or something, and it wouldn’t be a broken promise. By definition, 2025 is not in this term of government so he wouldn’t be cutting anything.

  135. H B Bear

    One issue with the pensions is that Keating’s superannuation “solution” is making bugger all difference to the spending on pensions. The only people making money are the overpaid index hugging fund managers.

    Retiring baby boomers are just having a double dip – retiring with large amounts still owing on the mortgage, putting what little compulsory super they have accumulated into the house and then pulling a pension anyway.

    Hockey needs to get serious and really tighten up the pension assets test. Make the thing bite.

  136. Fisky

    Retiring baby boomers are just having a double dip – retiring with large amounts still owing on the mortgage, putting what little compulsory super they have accumulated into the house and then pulling a pension anyway.

    Abbott will do nothing about it – it’s the LNP base. He will bravely crack down on Gen X’s entitlements though!

  137. custard

    Gosh! And I thought the moderators were hard at the ABC……. Anyway I didn’t realise you guys did an Insiders/Bolt forum but being over here in the West I can really only participate in the Insiders half. And given that Insiders is not on next week I’ll try again in a fortnight.

  138. WhaleHunt Fun

    The promise to not cut ABC funding can be readily maintained by simply lumbering the ABC with responsibility for more government services. If they simply legislate to require the ABC to provide technical support services to all the free to air radio and TV stations, the ABC will be bankrupt in no time. And the govt can increase the licence fees by the amount the free to air stations are saving by having all their equipment repairs and maintainance provided free of charge. Gut the AbC completely without ever taking a penny off the scum.

  139. Anne

    The public service is a corpulent, lazy, power hungry leviathan that needs to be knee-capped!

    Start by getting rid of Councils.

    Leave the aged pensioners be. Gab’s idea of CPI increases is a good one, as is the moving older retirement age people into the public service.

    I’d like to see “public service” limited to ten years. After that or before that – you work in the real world.

    I love Bunnings, partly because the people who work there know everything!

  140. Notafan

    Superannuation rules are far too generous , the double dipping isn’t just a mortgage it’s new car new boat new caravan and a cruise down the Rhine then home to everything free or subsidied.
    Love Australian travellers in Europe asking for senior’s discounts.

  141. Helen

    Well said Big Nana,

    I can’t imagine not doing some kind of work – what would one do all day, except chat on the Cat. But seriously, as a farmer I expect to work through to at least 75, in a diminished physical capacity in that I won’t be throwing mickies, but I will still be in the yard which will be modded with walkways etc, so I don’t have to get in with the sometimes contrary beasties. My intellect and observational cow skills are very high, thus highly valued, plus we have the cow plan which will still be playing out. It might be part time, but it will still be work.

    I also think there are many ways which a builder could still work as a builder with out having to be on a roof. Corporate knowledge of a life time of problem solving is invaluable. Even cows have corporate knowledge, which is why they take a while to adjust to new country, they have to scout out the waters, the feed, the fences, the shelter, all sorts of things. So a cow on country she was bred on is worth more to that farm than a cow a thousand k’s away and transported to the farm. The new cow has to have a couple of years of extra care before she gets to know the system. So if a cow’s corporate knowledge has a value, a builder’s corporate knowlege must be highly valuable.

    There is an old bush saying, an old dog for the hard road, a puppy for the pad. Instead of throwing our skirts over our heads and bagging this idea, why not consider the advantages?

    It is all moot for me, though.. When I retire, all things being equal, I don’t expect be on the pension. I expect to be self funded, with private health as my mum is and as my grandmother also was.

  142. Combine_Dave

    Joe Hockey is doing a lot of damage already, just by talking about “options”.
    Cutting/changes to any welfare in this term is exactly what LaborGreen is waiting for. Can you image how it will go

    You can’t change the entitlement mentality without removing/changing the entitlements.

    Jack the pension age up and tighten assest tests for pension, tighten medical tests for disability, lower the dole to ensure it’s below the minimum, sell a few gov assests, sack a few public servants = good bye national debt.

  143. Andrew

    BTW – Abbott can easily increase the pension age to 70, phasing in from 2025-2030 or something, and it wouldn’t be a broken promise. By definition, 2025 is not in this term of government so he wouldn’t be cutting anything.

    That’s exactly what he’s doing (I’ve had some input into the mechanism for pegging the APA to the life tables). Recall Hockey666 said “his generation” would likely have to retire later. This just continues the process began by Keating and is not a change.

  144. Rabz

    Someone has had a word with Cassie Wilkinson about shedding the old grandma clothes. She looks sensational.

    Hooray!

    :)

  145. Someone has had a word with Cassie Wilkinson about shedding the old grandma clothes. She looks sensational.

    Hooray!

    Don’t get too excited Rabz. She just wore other clothes instead. She didn’t turn up to the show wearing nothing.

  146. jupes

    Bill T, love your work.

    Malcolm Farr:

    I have no idea

    No shit.

  147. Anne

    Bill T.

    Is that Laura (Lara) Tingle? Haha

    I had no idea she was so fat. Legs like gidgee posts.

    Shudder.

  148. MacBeth

    Bad news today: “It will be at least twelve weeks before Cooktown can get back to normal!”
    Good news today: ” Cooktown will be back to normal in twelve weeks.”
    Re retirement. I’m in my nineties, retired hurt at 75. If I didn’t make work on the computer, I’d go nuts or expire. Can’t get about, but a decent Scotch, a good red and a connection to the works of St Paul make life worthwhile.

  149. Rabz

    If you look at the age of working nurses and doctors you might be surprised at how long they continue to work

    My ol’ man worked in his general practice until he was 79. He was gone within a year of ‘retiring’.

  150. Rabz

    Steve, I was the one who originally suggested she needn’t look like a grannie.

    We’re making progress, it seems.

    The day she turns up in a pair of 501s, a tight white T and a brando jacket, my work here is done.

  151. Anne

    Bless you MacBeth.

    It just goes to show if you want to work or have to work there are many options for people of diminished capacity.

    If you can use your hands, drive a car or use a computer you should be ashamed to accept disability welfare.

  152. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    When I retire, all things being equal, I don’t expect to be on the pension.

    Ditto – in fact, when I was structuring my affairs going back twenty years, the superannuation industry was running a campaign “Don’t count on the pension.”

  153. Gab

    I’m in my nineties,

    I don’t believe you.
    You don’t sound a day over 70!

    :)

  154. Anne

    Rabz

    The day she turns up in a pair of 501s, a tight white T and a brando jacket, my work here is done

    Should she also start every response with, “True Dat” ;-D

  155. Rabz

    Hang in there, MacB – you’ve got a Ton to bring up!

    :)

  156. Rabz

    Annie – she’ll be off into the sunset on the back of my Triumph by then, so who gives a rodent’s what she says!

  157. Ian George

    ‘Inciters’ – that’ll do.

  158. Anne

    By then she’ll have a ‘Target’ tattoo on her neck I suppose Rabz. Hahaha…

  159. Anne

    It would seem a bit of a waste if she were mute, Rabz, but hey, whatever blows your hair back.

  160. Paridell

    Andrew sometimes has a bit of trouble with Sydney matters. On today’s show, Rodney Cavalier and Leo McLeay came out as “Rob Cavalier” and “Leon McLeay”, the latter from Andrew’s own lips.

  161. jupes

    Tell you what, I’m getting a bit sick of Bolta with his ” Gillard denies any wrongdoing” crap. Every time he mentions the AWU scandal he comes up with some version of that bit of bilge.

    Well of course she does. And guess what? So did Thommo. So does Wilson. We don’t need you to state the bleeding obvious Bolta, just give us the details of what she did.

    I was really disappointed with Hendo saying that he doesn’t care whether TLS was guilty or not and that Michael Smith was obsessed with the scandal, as if that was a bad thing. Michael Smith is obsessed with it and thank goodness for that. He is the best investigative journalist in Australia and he has exposed Gillards role in this sordid affair. The cloth-eared bint picked the wrong fight when she had him sacked.

    Just the facts Bolta, that’s all we want.

  162. Tom

    Jupes, that’s a compulsory legal protection for journalists working for large media organisations. You want Bolta to lash out at people who want to destroy him like a teenage student newspaper editor? Ditto for Hendo. He’s just protecting himself. Get over it.

  163. egg_

    Seriously, did Hockey and Abbott really just now realise the tax-hoovering behemoth should be shorn a bit, or did they think of this before the election and made the promise anyway. I mean, lets be hones, the money they are looking at saving is a pittance – big risk, minimal return.

    Methinks it’s a strategy to float it out there and watch the reaction from all interested parties – especially Aunty.

  164. Oh come on

    I’m just sorry I won’t be around when you turn 65 OCO, unless you have a cushy bum-sitting job. I guarantee you’ll change your tune big time, especially when you can’t simply ‘find another job’ as you flippantly suggest.

    Oh, phooey. Lots of people are already doing it.

  165. Oh come on

    If I hit 65 and I need to keep working, I’ll keep working. I’ll do whatever I can. What do you think I’m going to do? Roll over and die?

  166. Boambee John

    “a reduction to funding the ABC for this budget”

    Is keeping ABC funding to the current number of $ (ie, no adjustment for inflation) a reduction? The ABC would say so, many others might not.

    Is the DFAT contract part of its budget? I suspect not, and how was the “fact check (ha ha)” unit funded? An addition to budget or a special grant?

    I suspect that a lot of real (inflation adjusted) $ could disappear, while still keeping the letter of that promise.

  167. Boambee John

    “Well of course she does. And guess what? So did Thommo. So does Wilson. We don’t need you to state the bleeding obvious Bolta, just give us the details of what she did.”

    I think that statement stands in the same position as “But Brutus says he was ambitious, and Brutus in an honourable man”.

  168. Boambee John

    “Well of course she does. And guess what? So did Thommo. So does Wilson. We don’t need you to state the bleeding obvious Bolta, just give us the details of what she did.”

    I think that statement about Jules, that she denies any wrongdoing, stands in the same position as mark Antony’s “But Brutus says he was ambitious, and Brutus in an honourable man”.

  169. Splatacrobat

    If they change the retirement age to 70 they will need to place strict vetting on the disability pension. There will be the unintended consequence of workers reaching 65 then saying they are physically unfit to continue working in there chosen field. Anyone fancy having a 70 year old nurse with early dementia doing the pill round or carrying out a resuscitation?

  170. Boambee John

    “The public service is a corpulent, lazy, power hungry leviathan that needs to be knee-capped!”

    Any changes to the age pension will be phased in over an extended period (if only to avoid the “broken promise” meme), so there’s not much in it for the next few years.

    On the other hand, there’s a lot to be saved up front by looking at the bureaucracy – 10% across the board cut, more at the executive/SES level, would be a useful start.

  171. jupes

    Jupes, that’s a compulsory legal protection for journalists working for large media organisations.

    Or it’s just lawyers trying to justify their existence.

    What are the chances TLS would sue? Sure she’s dumb as a stump but she would have seen what happened to Thommo when he sued for defamation. Even she would have noticed that it didn’t turn out too well for him.

  172. Oh come on

    Obviously if a referendum can be avoided, it makes the whole thing simpler.

    Hang on, you want to ram this through without changing the Constitution? Nup, lost me there. Talk about Frankenwashinster.

  173. Andrew

    I’ve read the election booklet and Abbott666 promises 2 things:
    - no moving goal posts on super
    - pensions will increase (alluding to WBCT compensation)

    Hockey666 has said his generation will retire later. This, by definition, means continuing to phase in APA increases beyond 2023 already set down. You can’t tell me flagging the Goose’s own reform continuing past 2035 (at ~6mon every 5 yrs) is a broken promise. Indexation is another story but I think that’s fair given July both supn contrib limits ratchet up (and yay! I can contribute $210k!).

    What the “age 70″ thing is, is a stick to beat people over the head to save. It changes nothing. If you stop working at 65 (or earlier) they pay dole or disability. If you want to work past 80 like Rupert666 there is no law forcing you stop. You can retire early or late. But if you believe “no welfare till 70″ you tend to make more contributions.

    Once they’re in super, the other thing they do to you is make sure they’re properly used. There’s virtually no controls on spending the lot at 65. Locking down half into an income stream helps the govt a lot. Then 75% of future growth from a point in time – effectively, lifting the preservation age past 70 with a sliding scale of “free early release”.

    I do think pension increases will have to be frozen in real terms – perhaps as a trade off for the WBCT compensation. Keep it, but it only ratchets at CPI until you’re back on trend and abolish the WBCT. That seems reasonable. Then seek a mandate to make further changes. I don’t see it as a broken promise.

    The PPL will be scaled back and delayed. Such is the Sen8. But that’s not a budget saving, only a tax saving for big cos.

    The SIEVs is a tiny saving – Krudd budgeted for zero I believe, scum that he is. $500m to PNG and they all stop, no future arrivals or costs. So as the Goose said about NBN cutscutscuts, not a budget saving because the whole thing is off budget. In fact, the NBN coming on budget dwarfs that.

    NDIS costs far more than planned, and he can’t blame Liebor – it was bipartisan.

    Starting point will be north of $50bn in May, and possibly an all time record. Net policy changes measured by a non-corrupt Treasury will be positive, but I have no faith in the windmill merchant to deliver anything sensible. What they can’t deny is nominal income growth has been 3% not 6% expected. Terms of trade are vastly lower. Forwards will be horrifying, even compared to the latest revisions.

  174. MacBeth

    Thanks for the kind thought Rabz. Not at all sure that I want to make the Ton, but every little bit of encouragment helps, and as Gerard says, “Keep the morale high.”

  175. Tintarella di Luna

    What are the chances TLS would sue? Sure she’s dumb as a stump but she would have seen what happened to Thommo when he sued for defamation. Even she would have noticed that it didn’t turn out too well for him.

    Speaking of the Thommo Sydney Morning Herald defamation fiasco which started it all — I wonder if the legals in-the-know on the Cat can answer this question: If there is an affidavit sitting on a file whether it be on Thommo’s lawyers’ file or the court file, that contains falsely sworn information, is there a chance that Thommo could be asked to do a couple of years in the Big House for perjury say a la Justice Marcus Einfeld?

  176. Pat Warnock

    Winston, who on earth will you vote for then? Informal? I worked until 75 and then had to retire at the mandatory age. Employers should cherish older workers because they are the only ones who can spell and add up!

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