Wednesday Forum: April 16, 2014

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  1. Delta A

    Well said, George Brandis. Good to see someone tackling Wong head on: “It (shutting down debate) was ignorant, it was medieval.”

  2. Perhaps Catallaxy Productions should move the location of their next film from Childers Qld to Tilba Tilba NSW.

    It sounds so much more sinister.

  3. srr

    …singling out Labor’s Penny Wong as “Australia’s high priestess of political correctness”.

    He said it was “deplorable” that “one side [has] the orthodoxy on its side and delegitimises the views of those who disagree, rather than engaging with them intellectually and showing them why they are wrong”.

    As examples, he points to Senator Wong and former Prime Minister Julia Gillard, who he accuses of arguing “the science is settled” to shut down political debate on climate change.

    “In other words, ‘I am not even going to engage in a debate with you.’ It was ignorant, it was mediaeval, the approach of these true believers…

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/climate-change-proponents-using-mediaeval-tactics-george-brandis-20140418-zqwfc.html#ixzz2zDfU9UiS

    …and they put their new lead story image of George Brandis, next to an image and story of Putin…mmm…are they hoping to ride a perceived wave of a turning tide of opinion on “the influential Catallaxy Files”?

  4. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Delta A at 5:12 pm:

    “Well said, George Brandis. Good to see someone tackling Wong head on: “It (shutting down debate) was ignorant, it was medieval.” “

    Clearly a cheap shot by Brandis targeting that Wong chap’s daddy / mummy / completely uninvolved-but-claiming-otherwise confusion.

  5. Notafan

    Dyson Heydon’s speech was inspired.
    He articulated what I despise about France, the attempted wholesale destruction of their own patrimony to obliterate Catholicism and the subsequent glossing over of that aspect of the revolution. At least they now publicly acknowledge their active participation in the Shoah.
    18c is another step in the march to a totalitarian regime. Hyperbole perhaps, but it must be repealed. If the LNP won’t, who will?

  6. Delta A

    Ah, but he has a right to be a bigot, Mick, so all’s well.

  7. Tom

    Pickles’ snuggle bunny is streeting the field in the poll at Blair’s to nominate Australia’s most insane Greenfilth politician.

  8. johanna

    Calli, I have been to the Channon Markets and to Tuntable Falls.

    Your average D grade horror movie would have nothing on what is going on around there.

  9. Shelley

    Continuing on the creepy towns theme – William Creek in outback SA surely had to be the inspiration for Wolf Creek. Spent a night camping there with a small group of mixed ages and nationalities around a campfire in the campgrounds. Awoke about 2am to find the younger females surrounded by half dozen or so drunken local blokes. They were like a pack of hyenas. One of the scariest experiences I have had travelling.

  10. Delta A

    I loved the Channon Market. Incredible colour and vibrancy, and great to see such community involvement. Far better than Mindil beach Market, IMO.

  11. I’m challenging your story Shelley. There wouldn’t be a half-dozen locals in William Creek.

  12. calli

    To contrast with Bates Hotel at Tilba Tilba, there is a beautiful garden there called Foxgolve Spires. I visited it years ago when the original owners still had it…it may still be just as lovely.

  13. It looks a lovely area Calli. I’ve never been anywhere near it. The bushie’s natural aversion to inside country I suppose. But I’ve had a soft spot for the area since I read the Arthur Upfield novel that was set in that region.

  14. Shelley

    Steve, some came from the local station. It was a Saturday night, apparently there was a 21st at the pub. Absolutely true story – and the tour operator that took us there from then refused to ever take tourists there again.

  15. Delta A

    I think Shelley is using the term ‘local’ in the wider context, SatP. Much like the visiting ‘locals’ who drop in occasionally to terrify the tourists at Wycliffe Well, NT.

  16. H B Bear

    Does “flabby gunt” go into moderation?

  17. calli

    The Channon Markets, Delta! I googled the images and it’s just as I remember…very erm…herbal. :)

  18. Shelley

    Shock horror, reporter saying that Tony Abbott went to put his arm around the Duchess, then quickly pulled back…see he is a misogynist after all. Lucky he didn’t look at his watch.

  19. Delta A

    True, Calli, but heaps of fun.

  20. There’s only one station around there, and William Creek is right in the middle of it, it is surrounded on all 4 sides.

    This type of conduct is not indicative of the William Creek community (which is a democratic community of One). Nor is it condoned by the William Creek community.

    The tour operator may wish to think things through a little better.

  21. Geriatric Mayfly

    Gab. I have over-indulged on reasons why the Left hankers after Islam. Their grasp of economic management has proven disastrous, and the workers of the world failed to rise up. How else to bring on the revolution? Feminism, environmentalism, multiculturalism etc etc, have disturbed the fabric of the capitalist West, but not brought it down. Swinging on the coat-tails of savages and barbarians might be their salvation. It has happened before.

  22. Gab

    Yes, they do have a hankering for all things totalitarian, Mayfly.

  23. calli

    Another little backwater up in that part of the world is Stoker’s Siding (on the road to Uki).

    The craft shop had bullet holes on the window last time I visited. Obviously not an art lover.

  24. calli

    Blast…in the window. They definitely weren’t those pathetic decals that the would be gangstas stick on their cars.

  25. Shelley

    Steve, I don’t wish to debate you – what I said happened. And I wouldn’t be so sure of it ‘not being condoned by the community’. I am totally aware of what you mean by the democratic community of one. You can have your opinion, no doubt based on a good experience you’ve had, but I (and those that were there) will always recall the nasty and scary experience.

  26. incoherent rambler

    So Brandis is a self-confessed “believer”.
    FMD

  27. Shelley

    …and I am no wimp and have travelled and lived through the outback many times before. This was one out of the box. From what I thought I knew about William Creek, I didn’t think it was typical. Unfortunately it left an indelible mark about outback Australia on some young people from US/UK and France.

  28. entropy

    Dan
    #1269976, posted on April 18, 2014 at 5:10 pm
    Lismore. Shit hole

    I would submit evidence that this is true by noting Bob Ellis grew up there, but then ,so did I! Although I was on a farm, not a townie.

  29. Splatacrobat

    Pickles’ snuggle bunny is streeting the field in the poll

    Doris Bagshawe is playing the long game. She will let SHY burn out first then come home to take the leadership.
    Age and rat cunning will beat yoof and enthusiasm every time. If you think mad eyes is the bigger lunatic just wait till the 70 year store woman of hate and loathing of our way of life gets the keys to the Prius.

  30. Shelley

    Doris Bagshawe – I had forgotten this is the commie’s real name.

  31. johanna

    Snap Calli. I was just off the phone to speaking to the widow of Bob Connery, of Stokers Siding Pottery. He was my science teacher in high school, and became a lifelong friend. He left teaching and became an expert in some obscure form of Japanese pottery, to the point where they flew him to Japan to conduct workshops.

    Across the road from Stokers Siding Pottery was the largest graveyard for VW Kombis I have ever seen. There were dozens of them, as far as the eye could see.

    Bob Connery was eminently sane, but lots of people around there are what Judge Judy would describe as “not too tightly wound.”

  32. calli

    Well, it was Lee Brown, then Gorman, then O’Gorman, then Rhiannon.

    So she’s flexible about her moniker…so flexible we can call her anything we like. Bagshaw has a nice Celtic ring to it.

  33. calli

    I know the pottery Johanna. I have some beautiful pieces, as well as some beaut ‘alternative’ stuff featuring naked nymphs (is there any other kind) cavorting amongst banksias. Sorry to hear the master has gone. Hope he left plenty of apprentices.

  34. Motelier

    I see in my absence today that everyone has been having fun with “small” , “creepy” and “strange” towns.

    WTF people.

    Childers is a beautiful place. Given the current exposure in the media about a little girl that was kidnapped and then released has had a lot of commentary. Firstly, Childers first came to fame in 2000 when the Palace Backpacker Hostel burnt to the ground. Someone up thread wondered why a little spot on the Bruce Highway would have a significant backpacker population. Backpackers go and stay in Childers for the work on fruit and small crops farms. They are loved by the locals. The fire was a deliberate act but has resulted in wholesale changes to the Fire Safety Regulations for all accommodation businesses in Queensland. The local community also created a memorial to the memory of the victims of the fire.

    With regard to the current news regarding the kidnapped and then released little girl. We had the investigating police and forensic officers staying with us in the southern motel. THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW THIS CAME ABOUT. But will admit to being lucky as the perp was caught breaking into a property in Maryborough to fund his travels away from Childers. Fingerprints taken at Maryborough linked him to fingerprints taken in Childers. Investigations are continuing.

  35. Carpe Jugulum

    so flexible we can call her anything we like

    My pet name for that stalinist piece of shyte is the ‘marxist green knut’.

    But thats just me, i love using ‘pet names’.

  36. Carpe Jugulum

    Childers is a beautiful place</blockquotes

    So is Gin Gin, but that does not mean that they are not full of feral swampies, welfare mooches and swampies on the public tit.

  37. Motelier

    Doris Bagshaw fits for me

  38. Carpe Jugulum

    Doris Bagshaw fits for me

    I still like – Evil green Knut myself.

  39. Motelier

    Carpe, all of the problems in Childers and most other small places actually arise from out of town blow ins.

    The locals would give you their last possession if it would help you.

    The police actually know this.

  40. ‘marxist green knut’.

    Sorry, that doesn’t sufficiently differentiate the Greens’ different warring factions. Rhiannon is the Stalinist Hag whereas Bandt is the Trotskyist Twerp; the rest are a mix of Leninist Loonies and Useful Idiots.
    See a transcript of The Greens’ party meeting of July 2011.

  41. Motelier

    If you want strange go to places like Rubyvale and Sapphire. Everyone there seems to be trying to hide from someone.

  42. Childers first came to fame in 2000 when the Palace Backpacker Hostel burnt…. The fire was a deliberate act but has resulted in wholesale changes to the Fire Safety Regulations for all accommodation businesses in Queensland.

    Every one of those changes unecessary.

    The fire was a deliberate act, the hostel was breaching every rule of commonsense, in addition to the fire regulations.

    The resulting regulations are a capsule of ALP incompetence, lack of understanding of anything (except perhaps graft) and poor, nay very poor implementation.

    We’d all have been better off if nothing more had been done after the Childers fire than a quick check that nobody else was so badly breaching regulations.

    The fallout for the accommodation industry was immense. It is the reason I quit pub-style accommodation.

  43. Steve of Glasshouse

    Finally, a fuel that the Greens are happy to use

  44. Steve of G., the Greens are also quite happy with using discarded fetûs for fuel.

  45. Fisky

    Gab. I have over-indulged on reasons why the Left hankers after Islam. Their grasp of economic management has proven disastrous, and the workers of the world failed to rise up. How else to bring on the revolution? Feminism, environmentalism, multiculturalism etc etc, have disturbed the fabric of the capitalist West, but not brought it down. Swinging on the coat-tails of savages and barbarians might be their salvation. It has happened before.

    That’s the motivation on the Far Left. As regards the Soft Left (like Bob Carr) it’s about nothing more than votes. President Hollande was elected in a squeaker, but got over 90% of the Muslim vote, without which he could not have won. Labor believe that the Muslim vote can be the equivalent of the Black vote in the US – votes you basically take to the bank (so long as you throw them a few rhetorical bones about evil Zionists, etc) and not have to worry about.

  46. Steve of Glasshouse

    Mote..Opalton. ’nuff said. First place I’ve been to where the local tour guide du jour had to explain the spent brass on the “town track” Couple of guys had had a blue the night before…faaark

  47. Motelier

    SatP

    +1

    Because we have two motels in separate towns about 300 km apart, it is interesting to watch the interpretation of the regulations. When I challenge the QFS over the interpretation difference I was told, “We can implement them as we understand”. One motel has full colour escape plans in each room, the other has black and white plans.

  48. Fisky

    The problem for Labor is that the Muslim electoral strategy is a long-term loser. Muslims will probably never get over 4% of the population here, but the more you pander to the Muslim vote, the more you risk losing other swing votes, including social liberals, over to the conservatives. That’s what happened in the last two London electoral cycles. Ken Livingstone had the benefit of a huge ethnic minority voting population as well as nearly 10% of London’s population being Muslim. But his utterly rancid Jew-baiting, designed to increase Muslim turnout, sent median voters and especially Jews fleeing in Boris Johnson’s direction. The US Democrats have played their rainbow alliance much more cannily, not saying anything to upset women, Jewish and gay voters, but a larger Muslim population would put all that in jeopardy.

  49. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    islam. Making sure rapists are safe!

    The Iranian regime is slated to hang on Tuesday a 26-year-old woman charged with fatally stabbing her accused rapist, the Washington Free Beacon has learned.
    Rayhaneh Jabbari, a 26-year-old former interior designer, is scheduled to be hanged this week after serving the last seven years in prison for stabbing a doctor who she claims drugged her and attempted to rape her.

    The Lying Slapper will be calling out this misogyny any second now….

    any second…..

  50. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Good grief.

    Another one!

    ABU DHABI // A father who whipped his 12-year-old son to death has had his one-year jail sentence overturned by the court of cassation.
    Emirati R M admitted repeatedly hitting his son with an electrical wire and a cane, claiming he only wanted to discipline him for poor school grades.

    The beating was so severe the son was left unconscious and covered in blood.

    He was driven to hospital by his mother where he was declared dead.

    Prosecutors originally charged R M with causing death by beating, which holds a maximum jail term of 15 years.

    At the first trial in Abu Dhabi Criminal Court, the charge was changed to premeditated murder.

    As the boy’s heirs, the father’s parents, waived their rights to a death sentence, R M was sentenced to three years in jail and a blood money settlement of Dh200,000.

    His sentence was later reduced by the appeals court to one year, as the boy’s mother also waived her right to blood money.

    On Wednesday, the court of cassation ruled that the heirs should not have been consulted in this case.

    The law states that a father cannot be charged with premeditated murder unless he confesses, which R M did not, or if it was a straightforward murder act.

    In this case, as the tools he used to kill his son were not weapons, it proved it was an attack driven by anger and not planned.

    Also, Sharia states that a parent cannot be executed for killing his or her own child.

  51. JC

    I’ve always thought this. I’ve always thought the biggest problem (and solvable) facing humanity isn’t gerbill warming. I always thought it would be AI.

    http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2014/04/why-there-will-be-robot-uprising/82783/

  52. jupes

    Muslims will probably never get over 4% of the population here,

    Why do you reckon that?

    Australia has a non-discriminatory immigration policy and I believe a couple of hundred thousand people immigrate every year. Besides that Muzzos breed faster than the rest of us.

    I’m predicting the Aussie Caliphate before the end of the century.

  53. Mote: You’ve put your finger on one of the greatest stupidities of the 20 years of ALP govt in Qld.

    The differing interpretations of regulations. Not only the fire safety stuff, it was all through the liquor act.
    Each regional office of the Liquor Licencing Division would apply the regulations very differently (on top of the police giving a completely different interpretation).

    I became slave to so many different masters (just regarding the Liquor Act) that life was impossible.
    I have a full time employee whose job title is “compliance officer” for a reason.

    If the ALP didn’t exist, you’d never be able to make up a group of people so stupid.

  54. I’m predicting the Aussie Caliphate before the end of the century.

    Or we could just nuke Punchbowl/Lakemba.

  55. jupes

    I always thought it would be AI.

    Islam will trump AI.

  56. Foggyfig

    Steve of Glasshouse,
    Thanks for that link. Have just shared it on Facebook. Hope it annoys the hell out of my leftie friend who has been putting Abbott budget cut memes on my page all damn day.

  57. Gab

    Does anyone know if there are speed cameras on the West Gate Bridge inbound?

  58. Foggyfig

    Going too fast, Gab?

  59. cynical1

    Ask Numbers about Toowoomba.

    2 nurses disappeared 40 years ago.

    The whole town knew of local ratbags whose weekend entertainment was
    kidnapping, raping and bashing women.

    Not one person had the guts to do anything.

    Bastards.

  60. Gab

    I won’t say who was driving at the time but someone forgot to switch off the cruise control (set at around 101 or 102km for driving in 100km zone on fwy until the bridge) and hit the brakes once they realised they were in an 80km zone.

    Are the cameras the overhead type or by the side of the road?

  61. Baldrick

    Check this out Gab. Victorian Speed and red light camera locations.

  62. Fisky

    Australia has a non-discriminatory immigration policy and I believe a couple of hundred thousand people immigrate every year. Besides that Muzzos breed faster than the rest of us.

    I’m predicting the Aussie Caliphate before the end of the century.

    There are several problems with this idea. Firstly, the only real access that Muslims will have to Australia is through family re-union, now that the humanitarian back door has closed substantially. The skills stream is mostly unavailable to Muslims because they don’t by and large have anything to offer the Australian economy. Family migration is only 1/3 of the total, and most of those are partner visas.

    So as Australia’s economy becomes more skill-dependent and there is less and less demand for unskilled workers, it’s not obvious how many Muslims will be able to get through our “non-discriminatory” migration filters (which are in fact highly discriminatory in favour of IQ).

  63. Motelier

    Humpf

    My post about Lorraine Station at Winton has got lost in the interwebs.

    WTF?

  64. Splatacrobat

    Islam will trump AI.

    AI have no motivation towards Jihad. There are no robot virgins in heaven waiting for them.
    Except maybe a fleshlight.

  65. Foggyfig

    Motelier, did you hit submit ;)

  66. Motelier

    It seems it is the link to the Lorraine Station that is the problem.

  67. jupes

    Mote: You’ve put your finger on one of the greatest stupidities of the 20 years of ALP govt in Qld.

    And yet you still live under the regulations despite a so-called conservative government.

    If the ALP didn’t exist, you’d never be able to make up a group of people so stupid.

    No. Corrupt and evil maybe but they are not stupid. They know what they are doing and they get away with it.

  68. Motelier

    Foggy…..of course. You do mean the Post Comment button?

  69. Grigory M

    Ask Numbers about Toowoomba.

    WTF are you inviting the troll in?

  70. Motelier

    Jupes

    The problem as I see it is that the left bring in all of the nanny state regulations and the Libs/Nats are too gutless to renounce them.

    At local levels it is unbelievably bad, and, state governments are not much better. I live in hope that the Federal LNP Government can set an example.

  71. Kae

    SatP
    Punch bowl, Lakemba, Auburn, Campsie – there are several.
    Mt Lewis/Greenacre, too.

  72. Oh come on

    Are you certain, Fisky? I believe you are forgetting the Bhumi affirmative action arts degree graduates from the quality universities of Malaysia. A skilled migration visa seems assured for these folk.

  73. Pedro the Ignorant

    You have to go a long way to find a creepier Queensland town than Tara, about 300km west of Brisbane. It is surrounded by small acreage farms of about 20 hectares and these are inhabited by some of the weirdest and creepiest ferals on the planet.

    Like something out of the “Night of the Living Dead”.

  74. Shelley

    So as Australia’s economy becomes more skill-dependent and there is less and less demand for unskilled workers, it’s not obvious how many Muslims will be able to get through our “non-discriminatory” migration filters

    That is until the Liars Party get back in – hopefully not for another three terms at least though. But they will be back in one day, and all the good work will be undone, a la the triumph demonstrated in changing the Howard policy – regardless of the outcome it was all about ‘changing everything when they got in’.

  75. Splatacrobat

    Are the cameras the overhead type or by the side of the road?

    You might have to just sweat it out a bit Gab. Not all cameras are actually working at all times. If they are on the side of the road you might be lucky if your car is obscured by another in the other lane. It will be a bugger if it wasn’t as overhead it is more likely to pick you out of a bunch as the offender. 100 in an 80 zone is a big fine, especially as its a long weekend and most states double the fines and demerit points.


  76. And yet you still live under the regulations despite a so-called conservative government.

    You’re not telling me anything. Though I must say the jobsworth-style enforcement has disappeared. (That dried up, sorta like magic, on election night!)

  77. Gab

    Thanks, Baldrick. I will pass that on. I drive expecting speed cameras to be on every street I drive on so I don’t bother with knowing location of cameras.

    But I would like to know if the cameras on the Westgate Bridge are the overhead type or not.

    Splat – I’m not saying who the driver was at the time.

  78. Fisky

    Are you certain, Fisky? I believe you are forgetting the Bhumi affirmative action arts degree graduates from the quality universities of Malaysia. A skilled migration visa seems assured for these folk.

    Right, but Malaysia is only one fraction of the total. And as we know, they also have to clear another bar after they finish their degree to get PR, which a lot of students have trouble clearing.

  79. Motelier

    Steve of Glasshouse,

    Mrs M and I with the two young moteliers towed our caravan to Lorraine Station outside of Winton about 20 years ago.

    Great people, great food and a great experience for “City Slickers”.


  80. No. Corrupt and evil maybe but they are not stupid. They know what they are doing and they get away with it.

    Good Point Jupes. Though they are inept and incompetent.

    Evil they are, and evil to the core. However they are also too inept to implement most of their ideas.
    Most of their outcomes/legislation happen the way they do by accident, not design.

    The morons that make up the ALP can’t seem to get anything right. (This.is.not.to.be.read.as.an.endorsement.of.the.LNP)


  81. Right, but Malaysia is only one fraction of the total. And as we know, they also have to clear another bar after they finish their degree to get PR, which a lot of students have trouble clearing.

    Huh? Someone used “Malay Bumi” and “intellect” in the same sentence?

  82. Motelier

    Gab

    I now always drive on cruise control, 1 km under the speed limit and with my eyes wide open.

    Full points but there go I but for the grace of God. Inattention can cost dollars and a lot more.

    Not a safety announcement!

  83. Oh come on

    I think Splat’s talking about picking the offending car out of the bunch of cars you may find yourself in in the photo – not the offender in the car (who I suppose would be the driver – unless the car is very, very sophisticated).

  84. Fisky

    Finally, there is not a single Muslim country in the top 10 immigrant origins to Australia. Not one. How the fuck will Australia become a caliphate exactly?

  85. Oh come on

    Right, but Malaysia is only one fraction of the total. And as we know, they also have to clear another bar after they finish their degree to get PR, which a lot of students have trouble clearing.

    Surely you are grossly underestimating how sought-after an affirmative action arts degree from a Malaysian university can be! And when you add in holders of the equally prestigious affirmative action art and design degree…

  86. Er… Fisky,… it is total number of Muslims which count, not total number from any one particular country.

  87. One thing to keep in mind, Oh Come On and Fisky, is that Malay muslims are not keen immigrants. They got it too soft at home.

    Should they immigrate, they have to start work, in a country where they are not priveliged coz of their race. Not much chance of them unplugging themselves from the teat.

  88. Fisky

    Er… Fisky,… it is total number of Muslims which count, not total number from any one particular country.

    I am telling you that Muslims make up a small fraction of our intake. This is because Muslim countries do not feature highly in our migration breakdown.

  89. Fisky

    One thing to keep in mind, Oh Come On and Fisky, is that Malay muslims are not keen immigrants. They got it too soft at home.

    They’d be sacrificing enormous privilege, and they would never cut it in Australia. I’d wager at least half of our migrants from Malaysia are Chinese, not Malay.

  90. I am telling you that Muslims make up a small fraction of our intake. This is because Muslim countries do not feature highly in our migration breakdown.

    Not challenging this, and am pleased to hear it. That religion is too top-heavy with ingrates, troublemakers, agitators and activists.

    We need fewer of them than we already have. This would apply to every country in the world.

  91. I’d wager at least half of our migrants from Malaysia are Chinese, not Malay.

    Are you seriously suggesting that Malays are migrating to Australia in significant numbers (eg, triple digits?)

  92. Oh come on

    Hm, listening to some Anglican bishop complain about Australia’s inhumane asylum seeker policy on ABC24. Then the camera did a pan of his congregation at the Good Friday service. Seems you can’t fill an Anglican cathedral even on Good Friday.

  93. Fisky

    OCO – I get the feeling that you are, only very slightly, sceptical as to the cognitive abilities of Bumis, amirite?

  94. Oh come on

    SATP – psst! I was taking the piss. Affirmative action Malaysian arts degrees are even more useless than Australian arts degrees.

  95. Oh come on

    No they have been unfairly marginalised by the Chinese Malays. It’s time to let the Bumis shine!

  96. Affirmative action Malaysian arts degrees are even more useless than Australian arts degrees.

    If you dig into it, a good chunk of those m’sian degrees are in “Muslim Studies”.

    The … er.. “quality” of those degrees is lampooned even in Malaysia.

  97. Grigory M

    Here you go SatP – Malaysian students were at the heart of the Newcastle University plagiarism scandal.

  98. jupes

    Good Point Jupes. Though they are inept and incompetent.

    The last lot at the federal level were inept and incompetent certainly. We can be eternally grateful for that.

    Nevertheless on the whole, Labor implement policies that negate freedom at a far greater rate than so called conservative governments repeal them.

    As an example, 18c was a Keating government policy yet it survived 11 years of the Howard government.

  99. Fisky

    No they have been unfairly marginalised by the Chinese Malays. It’s time to let the Bumis shine!

    You are absolutely right. It may appear to outsiders like the Bumis have awarded themselves unjustified privilege, threatening the Chinese with more pogroms if that privilege is ever questioned. But this is only to rectify the failure of the free market to correctly evaluate the enormous benefits the Bumis are providing to humanity, just by their existing in that wonderful multi-cultural paradise of Malaysia.

  100. Baldrick

    Australia Settler arrival 2012-13: (excluding New Zealand)
    China – 18041
    India – 18395
    UK – 11720

  101. Grigory, that is more widespread than many would believe.

    I will never hire anyone who has a degree from Deakin University. Such resumes go directly to the bin.

    Relatives & contacts who mark papers for some of these third-band Australian universities, the ones that cater to the stupid-but-parents-will-pay-for-a-degree-in-western-country clientele, say they are under pressure to not fail anybody. Should that involve lowering of scholarship standards, then so be it (then you can still claim the dumbass is “above average” or something).

  102. tomix

    Finally, there is not a single Muslim country in the top 10 immigrant origins to Australia. Not one. How the fuck will Australia become a caliphate exactly?

    Wot about the humanitarian/refugee intake? Didn’t Abbott raise it to c.26,000p.a. Muslims are known for wearing out their welcomes in other countries.

  103. Rabz

    As an example, 18c was a Keating government policy yet it survived 11 years of the Howard government.

    And it will continue to survive however many years of Abbottmonster government.

  104. Baldrick

    Finally, there is not a single Muslim country in the top 10 immigrant origins to Australia.

    Malaysia, Iran and Iraq are in the top 10 … all Muslim countries.

  105. jupes

    Finally, there is not a single Muslim country in the top 10 immigrant origins to Australia. Not one. How the fuck will Australia become a caliphate exactly?

    India is in the top 10 I believe. There are a few Muslims who live there.

    Muslims breed a lot faster than the rest of us.

    Many people see the writing on the wall and convert to Islam. At least two of the convicted Muslim terrorists in Australia were converts.

    They don’t need to become a majority to take over. They only need to become a majority of young people.

  106. Splatacrobat

    Splat – I’m not saying who the driver was at the time.

    If you do get pinged just don’t do a Justice Enfield and nominate a dead person as the designated driver.

  107. Motelier

    They only need to become a majority of young people.

    and then they will have a majority.

  108. Gab

    I’ll let my friend know, Splat. Ta.

  109. stackja

    Rabz
    #1270204, posted on April 18, 2014 at 8:07 pm
    18c

    Did Howard control the Senate?

  110. Splatacrobat

    They don’t need to become a majority to take over.

    They just need to lobby harder like the gays, greens, and abortionists.
    Minorities rule!

  111. Baldrick

    Top 10 migrant countries to Australia (excluding New Zealand):
    1. India – 18 395
    2. China (excludes SARs and Taiwan) – 18 041
    3. United Kingdom – 11 720
    4. Philippines – 6704
    5. South Africa – 4585
    6. Malaysia – 3762
    7. Vietnam – 3709
    8. Sri Lanka – 3670
    9. Iraq – 3462
    10.Iran – 2931

    Family migration , Skill migration, Special eligibility, Humanitarian, Other Non-program.

  112. Cold-Hands

    With useless ALP apparatchik Kimberley Kitching on Bolt’s panel this weekend, it is sad to see that her husband Andrew Landeryou’s Vexnews site did not survive his resignation as chief editor to help her political career. There’s only a placeholder there now. It was always good for a laugh, defamatory comment and the very occasional scoop.

  113. stackja

    Steve at the Pub
    #1269981, posted on April 18, 2014 at 5:12 pm
    Perhaps Catallaxy Productions should move the location of their next film from Childers Qld to Tilba Tilba NSW.
    It sounds so much more sinister.

    Could the production budget be halved if it was filmed in Tilba? Tilba Tilba gives the impression of being twice the cost.

  114. politichix

    Motelier
    #1270165, posted on April 18, 2014 at 7:30 pm
    I now always drive on cruise control, 1 km under the speed limit and with my eyes wide open.

    Motelier how compliant you are!! I make a point of setting cruise control to a couple of ks over just to, you know, stick it to the man (non-gender specific).

  115. Fisky

    Iraq, Iran and Sri Lanka are only up there in the 2012-3 figures because of the boaties. There is no way they’ll be up there in the current financial year. As for Malaysia – I’d give my arm if the vast majority of migrants from there weren’t Chinese and Indian.

  116. Fisky

    Wot about the humanitarian/refugee intake? Didn’t Abbott raise it to c.26,000p.a. Muslims are known for wearing out their welcomes in other countries.

    No, Abbott REDUCED it from 27,000 to 13,000.

  117. Fisky

    They don’t need to become a majority to take over. They only need to become a majority of young people.

    Even in the UK, which under New Labour virtually opened the floodgates to countries like Pakistan, Muslims are only about 10% of young people. They will almost certainly never come close to being a majority of young people, either in the UK or Australia.

  118. jupes

    From Baldrick’s 7.57 link, over 21,000 immigrants arrived from Muslim nations last financial year. That number excludes Indian Muslims.

    Assuming each Muslim couple have six kids, that means 63,000 young breeders in 30 years, 189,000 young breeders in 60 years and 567,000 young breeders / fighters at the end of the century. That’s from one years worth of Islamic immigration.

    But wait, there’s more. Already we are seeing Muslim politicians in the main political parties. This will increase and it is a pretty safe assumption that the more Muslim politicians, the greater the chance of an increase in Islamic immigration.

    The only cause for optimism is that Europe is a generation ahead of us, so politicians can look North to see the effects of their immigration policies. I’m not seeing anything encouraging at the minute though.

  119. jupes

    They will almost certainly never come close to being a majority of young people, either in the UK or Australia.

    They breed faster Fisky. I fail to understand your optimism.

  120. jupes

    I’d give my arm if the vast majority of migrants from there weren’t Chinese and Indian.

    150,000,000 Muslims live in India.

    Some of them would like to live here.

  121. Fisky

    From Baldrick’s 7.57 link, over 21,000 immigrants arrived from Muslim nations last financial year. That number excludes Indian Muslims.

    I don’t know which countries you are counting as “Muslim”, but the number includes Chinese Malaysians.

    Assuming each Muslim couple have six kids

    Where’d you get that from?

  122. Motelier

    Politichix

    Motelier how compliant you are!! I make a point of setting cruise control to a couple of ks over just to, you know, stick it to the man (non-gender specific).

    Sigh….I know. but I do need my licence to get from one motel to the other. Nothing would give me more pleasure that giving to bird to roadside cameras except, that while the state of Qld highways are in a deplorable state in some cases, 101 kph is too fast. I had to drive to Brisvegas a couple of weeks ago. Set the cruise, the mp3 player and off we went. A “B” Double pulled a desperate to get past just south of Rockhampton. We let him go, and then continued on our way.

    We passed him on the freeway into Brisvegas.

    His desperate move put us, and the opposing traffic at risk for no time saving what so ever, just so he could sit at the limit of his log.

    If our roads where better, then higher speeds would be okay. The Hume should be set at around 120 to 130. The Bruce up here in Qld is a death trap to all those that drive it. In some places 100 kph is about 20 kph too fast.

    I was taught to drive to the conditions that are around you at the time. Super Freeways in the States yes. Back roads in the States yes. Tollways and Freeways in France and Austria, yes. The higher speed ones are all defined by the inability to hit oncoming traffic.

    Dirt and gravel roads in Australia can be driven at some high speeds, but most people don’t, because they know their limitations.

    This is not against you and driving 1kph over the speed limit, but giving the bird to the roadside speedtraps and such is best given by not giving them a chance to catch you. Oh and it frees up the police for more important things.

  123. Splatacrobat

    Assuming each Muslim couple have six kids

    Six is probably a tad optimistic unless you are counting all kids in the household and included their goats as well.

  124. Carpe Jugulum

    The Bruce up here in Qld is a death trap

    The Bruce should not be callled a highway, neither should the Isis be called a highway, they are single lane rural roads waiting for a fatality.

    A fvking disgrace is what they are.

  125. jupes

    Where’d you get that from?

    Sure that’s a worse case scenario. Nevertheless from Wiki comes this stat:

    As of 2011, it is predicted that the world’s Muslim population will grow twice as fast as non-Muslims over the next 20 years.

    Bottom line is that Muslims out breed Westerners. There is also the not insignificent fact that Westerners convert to Islam at a much greater rate than the other way round. From the same link:

    According to the New York Times, an estimated 25 percent of American Muslims are converts

    Even before they have the numbers to take the country, there is the fact that the more Muslims in a country, the more crime and terrorism. They have no redeeming features.

  126. Motelier

    Carpe

    The Bruce should not be callled a highway, neither should the Isis be called a highway, they are single lane rural roads waiting for a fatality.

    Stand by me brother. Stand by me.

  127. brc

    I was dismayed to see -yet again- the Bruce ‘highway’ cut by floodwater after some – gee, we never saw that coming – heavy rain.

    I am convinced that turning it into a proper highway would actually pay just by opening up economies properly and increasing economic activity and tax. How many things never make it out of the north because it’s just too damn expensive to get them out?

    It’s a disgrace to have a national highway cut by floodwater every single summer. These are 1 in a 1 year floods, not 1 in a hundred.

  128. Motelier

    The problem with the “Bruce Highway” is the number of international tourists that drive from either Cairns to Brisvegas or the other way.

    At either motel, those that are used to driving long distances on multi lane freeways are gobsmacked about the Bruce. And they cannot believe the size of our trucks.

  129. politichix

    Peak gold?

    SURGEONS in Delhi have found 12 small gold bars inside a man complaining of pain in his gut, a news report says.

    The 63-year-old businessman swallowed the 33 gram bars, known as gold biscuits, in Singapore and arrived in India on March 28, the Times of India reported on Friday.

    But he was unable to recover them after they lodged in his small intestine, despite drinking lots of water and taking laxatives.

    On April 7, the man requested surgery saying he had swallowed a water bottle cap and it was hurting.

    He went into surgery on April 9 after X-rays confirmed the presence of foreign metal. When doctors unexpectedly struck gold, they informed the police and customs department.

    Customs officials impounded the bullion, worth an estimated 1.2 million rupees ($A21,289.01), and the businessman was taken into police custody on Tuesday.

  130. Motelier

    It’s a disgrace to have a national highway cut by floodwater every single summer. These are 1 in a 1 year floods, not 1 in a hundred.

    But the response from Ministers, and yes I do get them in my restaurant, is that it is too big a cost.

    To wit my response is always, perhaps it is costs the state more not to do it than to do it.

    Infrastructure will always win me over. Waste and grandiose schemes leave me cold.

  131. Motelier

    Peak gold?

    Nahhhhh Peak Stupidity on a number of accounts.

    The first being that the only thing that goes down your throat must be able to be digested with out any harm.

    The second is what were the taxes on taking the gold bullion into India?

  132. Combine_Dave

    If our roads where better, then higher speeds would be okay. The Hume should be set at around 120 to 130. The Bruce up here in Qld is a death trap to all those that drive it. In some places 100 kph is about 20 kph too fast.

    They certaining need to fking fix it. Once it gets near Gympie the damned thing ceases to be a highway and becomes a mire of slow moving caravans and road works (inexplicable this national high way falls to 80, 70 and even 60 at some point).

    Fix it up and increase the speed limit to 150km. Cutting the bikeway path budget should pay for it without the need for new taxes.

  133. Leigh Lowe

    Hm, listening to some Anglican bishop complain about Australia’s inhumane asylum seeker policy on ABC24. Then the camera did a pan of his congregation at the Good Friday service. Seems you can’t fill an Anglican cathedral even on Good Friday.

    The pious and irrelevant lecturing to the disinterested sprinkled in empty pews, yet it is on high rotation on ABC News all day

  134. Motelier

    They certaining need to fking fix it. Once it gets near Gympie the damned thing ceases to be a highway and becomes a mire of slow moving caravans and road works (inexplicable this national high way falls to 80, 70 and even 60 at some point).

    The roadworks (repairs not improvements) extend all the way from Gympie to Cairns.

    I find it passing strange the HRH and the missus and the littleun are not travelling by road throughout regional Queensland. There are many great places to visit and stay. However the roads are shithouse.

  135. jupes

    Hm, listening to some Anglican bishop complain about Australia’s inhumane asylum seeker policy on ABC24.

    Should build a mosque next door to the fuckwit’s church.

  136. Splatacrobat

    They certaining need to fking fix it. Once it gets near Gympie the damned thing ceases to be a highway and becomes a mire of slow moving caravans and road works (inexplicable this national high way falls to 80, 70 and even 60 at some point).

    We need an Organisation Todt
    Long term unemployed, new unskilled immigrants, low security prisoners. If Labor hadn’t pissed a couple of billion away into batts we could be driving to Childers on a 6 lane highway.

  137. Motelier

    Should build a mosque next door to the fuckwit’s church.

    Just to wake people up, a mosque should be built next door to every church in Australia.

  138. Motelier

    Splat

    Todt?

    Nah 8 lanes to the Sunshine Coast, 4 lanes from there to Cairns. That would do me. And raise the speed limit to 130 kph.

  139. Splatacrobat

    Hm, listening to some Anglican bishop complain about Australia’s inhumane asylum seeker policy on ABC24.

    He would better serve his flock if he complained about Christians overseas who are killed, tortured and imprisoned in the countries of origin of these illegals immigrants.

  140. Splatacrobat

    Todt?

    The Todt Organisation (German: Organisation Todt) (OT) was a Third Reich civil and military engineering group in Germany named after its founder, Fritz Todt, an engineer and senior Nazi figure. The organization was responsible for a huge range of engineering projects both in pre-World War II Germany, in Germany itself and occupied territories from France to the Soviet Union during the war. It became notorious for using forced labour. The history of the organisation falls fairly neatly into three phases:
    A pre-war period from 1933–38 during which Todt’s primary office was that of General Inspector of German Roadways (Generalinspektor für das deutsche Straßenwesen) and his primary responsibility the construction of the Autobahn network. The organisation was able to draw on “conscripted” (i.e. compulsory) labour, from within Germany, through the Reich Labour Service (Reichsarbeitsdienst, RAD).

  141. Infidel Tiger

    Hm, listening to some Anglican bishop complain about Australia’s inhumane asylum seeker policy on ABC24.

    Thank God their pews are empty and no one of sound mind listens to these idiots.

  142. Motelier

    Thanks Splat….I was too lazy to look it up.

    However I have to agree. Extreme measures are need to fix the Bruce

  143. entropy

    Let me guess, Gosford church?

  144. Shelley

    Quite timely after the discussion today about creepy towns – ABC2 is screening Wake in Fright

  145. brc

    Driving from Brisbane to Cairns should be marketed as a great road trip, route 66 style.

    Instead it’s an ordeal few will repeat voluntarily.

    Yes it costs money. It wont ever be done unless somene starts spending that money. In the grand scheme of budget spending its not even in the top 50. A little bit every year, working from both ends. It might take 20 years, if so, best to get started now.

  146. Splatacrobat

    It might take 20 years, if so, best to get started now.

    If the fisk doctrine were introduced there could be an endless supply of lefties to make road base.

  147. incoherent rambler

    re the robot thing.

    How many human beings do you know will do the right thing?

  148. Armadillo

    Best advice that I got when learning to drive was that if you can get from Tamworth to Port Macquarie without using your brakes, then you know how to drive. It’s about 400km trip. Some open stretches where you can do 150 km an hour quite safely. There is also a lot of uphill and downhill as well. Quite a few 35km to 15km bends through the windy bits.

    The reasoning behind not using brakes is that you are prepared for what is in front of you. If you need to slow down, that’s what gears are for on the downhills. The idiot in front flashing his brake lights every 30 seconds is going too fast for the conditions. You will end up 3 cars in front in the right hand lane after a few hours once you finally hit a traffic light anyway.

    Note: Advice not suitable for a trip from Parramatta into the City.

  149. Combine_Dave

    Hm, listening to some Anglican bishop complain about Australia’s inhumane asylum seeker policy on ABC24.

    Should build a mosque next door to the fuckwit’s church

    In the interests of integration he should allow them to hold their cultural activities within his Anglican Church.

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