Guest Post: Brad Emery – Greens still living in a clean energy fantasy world

A young woman rides her bicycle into an inner city polling booth to vote in the 2013 Federal Election.  She tosses her mane of matted dreadlocks over her shoulder as she dismounts and fetches a bottle of organic prune juice from the basket hanging from the handle bars.

She makes a beeline for the Greens volunteer and smiles as she takes the Greens candidate’s how to vote pamphlet.  She makes a deliberate show of rejecting the Liberal Party candidate’s propaganda.  She’s not planning on voting Conservative.

Having voted, she returns to her bicycle and as a final show of Green pride, slaps a sticker that reads ‘End Fossil Fuels – Vote Greens’ on the front of her bike basket. 

The irony is lost upon her as she peddles away, ringing the aluminium bicycle bell one last time.  Almost every component of the bike she is riding was manufactured using coal or gas fired power.

This picture summarises the contradiction that has prevented the Greens from being regarded as a serious force for change at any level of government in Australia.

The bedrock Greens policy is an end to the use of fossil fuels in this country, especially coal.  However, they are unable to practice what they preach.   Try as they might, they cannot fully distance themselves from a western society with a structural fabric that is reliant on fossil fuel for power and the manufacture of industrial products like steel, plastics and cement.

At the very least, if the Greens were serious about changing our nation’s reliance on fossil fuel, they would engage in responsible and reasonable discussion to explore practical, viable energy technology solutions with the realistic long-term goal of transitioning to cleaner power sources.

However, what we hear from the Greens is blinkered opposition to the entire resources sector and a religious fanaticism toward small scale renewable energy, completely impractical for large scale power delivery.  Thus, they remain the party of fantasy and fairy tale, dismissed by the electorate and useful only to journalists looking for a snappy grab to pad an evening news bulletin.

Recent election results show how far the decay has spread.  The 2013 Federal Election saw the Greens vote fall from 12 per cent to 9 per cent, a 25 per cent drop in support.[1]  This follows on from the ACT election disaster, which saw the Party reduced from four seats to one in the Territory’s parliament.

Take Australia’s most populated state, New South Wales, as an example of the Greens’ inability to grasp policy reality.  Thermal coal fired power stations provide 84 per cent of NSW energy needs – homes, hospitals, businesses, transport, schools and emergency services.

The resource sector in NSW provides around 91,000[2] direct jobs and the flow on effect through businesses that engage with mining is estimated to create a further 155,000 jobs.[3]

NSW miners paid $1.3 billion to the NSW government in state royalties and NSW coal remains the state’s largest commodity export.[4]

Overall, the NSW mining industry is worth $24.5 billion.[5]

So what do the Greens propose as an alternative?  NSW Greens MLC, John Kaye, has called for NSW to be 100 per cent powered by renewable energy sources in just sixteen years, by ‘…rapidly phasing out fossil fuel electricity generation and investing in wind power, solar technologies and energy efficiency.’[6] 

As a general rule, when tested against reality, most Greens’ policies are little more than thought bubbles with the depth of a tweet.  Their alternative energy policy continues this tradition.

Renewable energy currently accounts for only around six per cent of NSW total energy usage.[7]  Mr Kaye and the NSW Greens’ goal to ‘rapidly’ increase this to 100 per cent by 2030 is as impractical as it is ridiculous.  Andrew Bolt would have a better chance of getting a fair hearing in The Guardian.

Consider the primary source of renewable energy the Greens advocate: wind power.

The Capital Hill Wind Farm near Bungendore is NSW’s largest wind farm.  The operation has 67 wind turbines that take up 35 square kilometres of land.  The entire wind farm produces enough electricity to power 60,000 average homes a year.[8]

There is no doubt that this is an important contribution to the state power grid.

However, implementing this on scale to meet 100 per cent of NSW power needs, reveals the true extent of the Greens policy phantasmagoria. 

At the time of the 2011 census, there were 2,864,531 private dwellings in NSW.[9]  Using the Capital Hill project as a reference point, a simple mathematical observation shows that in order to power every private dwelling in NSW solely using wind power – not even taking into account heavier users of electricity like factories, schools, public transport, hospitals, vegetarian cafes in Newtown etc – NSW would require another 47 wind farms similar to the Capital Hill project. 

This would represent land use of 1,670 square kilometres – twice the size of Tonga. 

By contrast, total mining in NSW accounts for just 630 square kilometres or 0.1 per cent of NSW land.[10] 

In fact, the land required in the Capital Hill example to power just the private dwellings in NSW, is almost the exact land use of all current mining operations across Australia – 1,676 square kilometres.[11]

And all this is aside from any discussion on the complexity of replacing 155,000 jobs that rely on the current NSW resource sector, or the $1.3 billion a year in mining royalties that pay for the state’s teachers, nurses, trains and buses, schools and hospitals.

The only other potential power source that could meet the base load power requirements of a state like NSW, let alone the entire nation, is nuclear.  However, even mentioning the ‘N’ word sends Greens into anaphylactic shock.

None of this is to argue that there should never be a transition away from fossil fuels in the future.

The evolution of capitalism shows that old companies will transition and new companies emerge with the development of a product that generates enough demand to be profitable. 

The transition away from burning wood and whale oil as a power source and the rise of coal and gas fired turbines, shows how the development of technology drives the creation of new markets.

If a clean, non-nuclear, alternative to fossil fuels is developed, that can adequately provide the base load power requirements of our states and cities and create a sufficient number of jobs, it stands to reason that companies would diversify in order to capitalise on the new market.

It is the Green’s inability to understand this logical dynamic of western market economies that renders them impotent in bringing any sort of meaningful contribution to the issue of our nation’s energy needs and the development of a cleaner energy future.

Unless the Greens take a step toward understanding and engaging with the realities of energy needs in Australia and support the development of new energy technologies, rather than repeating their tired and impractical renewable energy mantra, they will remain relegated to the realm of fantasy in the minds of Australian voters.

Brad Emery is a freelance writer, works in NSW mining and is a former Australian Government staff.

[1] Australian Electoral Commission 2013 Federal Election Results

[2] ABS Labour Force, Australia, Detailed, Quarterly, August 2013

[3]  NSW Mining Industry Economic Impact Assessment 2012/13, Lawrence Consulting.

[4] NSW Budget Statement 2013-14, Budget Paper 2, Chapter 6

[5] NSW Trade and Investment – Mineral Resources

[6] www.johnkaye.org.au/100-renewable-nsw/

[7] www.energy.nsw.gov.au/sustainable/renewable

[8] www.infigenenergy.com/Media/docs/Capital-Wind-Farm-Brochure-fb268c8e-e14b-4c44-8d95-e8ec2a23e31a-0.pdf

[9]www.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2011/quickstat/1

[10] www.data.daff.gov.au/brs/landuse/docs/1_State_NSW.pdf

[11] http://data.daff.gov.au/brs/landuse/docs/Land_use_in_Australia_at_a_glance_2006.pdf

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76 Responses to Guest Post: Brad Emery – Greens still living in a clean energy fantasy world

  1. johanna

    Consider the primary source of renewable energy the Greens advocate: wind power.

    The Capital Hill Wind Farm near Bungendore is NSW’s largest wind farm. The operation has 67 wind turbines that take up 35 square kilometres of land. The entire wind farm produces enough electricity to power 60,000 average homes a year.[8]

    There is no doubt that this is an important contribution to the state power grid.

    No, it doesn’t “power” those homes, and no it isn’t “an important contribution to the State’s power grid.”

    It doesn’t power those homes because when the wind isn’t blowing conventional power sources have to be there to pick up the slack. So there is no reduction in the requirement for conventional power sources.

    By increasing the price of electricity – both through subsidies and the wastage of conventional power infrastructure when wind power is available, it is a net loss to the efficiency of the power supply.

    Why do these myths keep getting repeated?

  2. Gab

    The operation has 67 wind turbines that take up 35 square kilometres of land. The entire wind farm produces enough electricity to power 60,000 average homes a year.[8]

    Yeah? Then disconnect the houses from the electricity grid and just let them rely on wind power AND without any subsidies and see how much they love da green energy.

  3. Rabz

    the ACT election disaster, which saw the Party reduced from four seats to one in the Territory’s parliament.

    It was a disaster in more ways than one. It was a disaster for the three idiot greenfilthers who were relieved of their comfy taxpayer funded sinecures on the ACT Clown Council (although the erstwhile greenfilth leader is now of course, back suckling on the public teat) and it is now a disaster for all those who rejected the greenfilth and labor in the ACT election.

    With the greenfilth holding the balance of power (and remaining in a formal coalition with labor) their mad, incoherent and fundamentally destructive policies are still being implemented wholesale.

    So despite being on the receiving end of a massive rejection by the electorate, they are effectively more powerful than ever.

    This is not democracy, but its absolute antithesis.

    :x

  4. kraka

    To Gab-indeed! Hypocrisy, the natural home of the left.

  5. cohenite

    Good article. The land comparison between wind power and coal equivalent is incorrect however. Wind doesn’t work however much land you cover. It’s too intermittent. You will always need a reliable energy backup whether it be fossils, nuclear or hydro.

    Greens are cognitive dissonant. 99% of greens live in cites. They wouldn’t know nature if it bit them on their organic arses. If the power went off they’d be running around like headless fucking chooks.

    Greens are also expediently non-conformist. During the Franklin dam bullshit I was in Tasmania. At the time crystal energy and pyramid power were big ‘concept’s. I was hanging out with some protestors all full of piss and vinegar with their crystals and pyramids and their claims of independence from mainstream society with nature going to look after them. One boofhead came down with appendicitis. I suggested he put some crystals and pyramids on his guts but he would have nothing of that and went off to hospital.

    Hypocrites.

  6. handjive

    learnelectricity.ausgrid

    Coal currently accounts for over 70 per cent of Australia’s electric power.
    Electricity is generated through coal-fired power stations.
    Presently 89 per cent of Australia’s electricity is generated from burning fossil fuels, 74 per cent from coal and 15 per cent from natural gas.
    Renewable energy is used to generate 11 per cent of electricity.
    Of those renewable energy sources hydropower is the biggest contributor contributing around 6 per cent of total electricity.
    The remaining 5 per cent comes from a mix of sources including wind, bioenergy and rooftop solar.

    Here is a tweet that highlights the peak stupidity of the Greens:
    Scott Ludlam ✔ @SenatorLudlam
    Follow
    i am bored with the coastlines being where they are and wish there was more violent weather and thats why i’m supporting #australiansforcoal
    . . .
    Some of those other tweets coincide with the full moon at the moment.

  7. A Lurker

    Brad Emery fundamentally misunderstands the Greens.

    The Greens don’t really care about coal or environmentalism per se.
    What they care about is power.
    Their environmental ‘face’ and 100% renewable electricity goal is simply a means to an end.
    The end being, the crippling and impoverishment of the West, and an end to Democracy.

  8. lotocoti

    Whenever someone gets too enthusiastic about wind power, direct them to the ever helpful Eirgrid site.

  9. Charles

    To suggest that a wind farm could supply anything like a useful supply of energy is to live in the same delusional world of the Green/Left. There is one immutable rule that relates to electricity supply, it must be available on demand. Contrast that with an intermittent supply like wind, which only blows occasionally and even worse is capable of going from breeze to nothing in a matter of minutes. This factor disqualifies it completely from ever being able to be a useful industrial addition to our economy and society

    The reality is as others have identified, is that wind farms make no contribution to the national electricity supply at all. However, given the ACT governments desire to be supplied by renewable energy only, I am keen to see the day when the ACT is supplied by windfarms and solar panels, built only in the ACT, and the national electricity grid which features fossil fuel generated electricity only, stopped at the ACT border.

  10. .

    Some people have said Brad is naive, what he has done has pulled the rug from under the Greens. He has exposed how power hungry and misanthropic they are. He has shown their rationale is utterly mad.

    We might know, but the broader public needs edification on the matter.

  11. Robert Crew

    The green movement is not a pro-environment movement, they’re an anti-industrial, anti-materialist movement. Just listen to how loudly they bleat when a practical, truly green change is mooted, like nuclear power or hydraulic fracturing. I understand fracking in the US alone has now abated more CO2 emissions than all the world’s wind plants and solar plants combined (I refuse to use the Orwellian doublespeak “farm” to describe an industrial power plant!)

    I credit this insanity to the modern green movement’s roots as a comintern plot to deindustrialise the West.

  12. William

    We should send all the Greens to Tasmania and immediately cease any further federal support. They can then use the state as their own political play thing and we should prepare right now to turn back the boats that try and come across Bass Strait.

  13. Toiling Mass

    Good article, but kind of preaching to the choir here.

    Is this article going to be printed elsewhere? I don’t mean in The Guardian or Snidely Moaning Herald – that demographic is utterly impervious to information. But out where the battle needs to be fought, around the water coolers of a nation.

  14. gabrianga

    Unless the Greens take a step toward understanding and engaging with the realities of energy needs in Australia and support the development of new energy technologies, rather than repeating their tired and impractical renewable energy mantra, they will remain relegated to the realm of fantasy in the minds of Australian voters

    Tell him he’s dreaming.

  15. Uh oh

    At no time on Tuesday 15th (latest figures) did the Capital Hill farm produce even 20% of its nameplate capacity, with its maximum output at any given time being around 20mw out of a potential 140mw; and that was at midnight.
    Just farcical.

  16. RodClarke

    Greens vote fall from 12 per cent to 9 per cent, a 25 per cent drop in support.[1] This follows on from the ACT election disaster, which saw the Party reduced from four seats to one in the Territory’s parliament.

    Scary thing is that they dont really need electoral success. Unelected Greens are deeply embedded and entrenched in every local council, bureaucracy, and department in the country.

    “Socialism” has only ever gotten less than 5% of the vote in this country but socialist policies are everywhere.

  17. thefrollickingmole

    One of the best way to tweak a deep greens nose is to ask them what % of Australia is covered by mining leases.
    Unfortunately the last data I could find was for about 1999/2000 but it was well under 1%

    You can almost hear gears grinding and see sparks coming out of their ears.
    Then you finish off with “There is more land under public parks than is under mining”…

  18. rebel with cause

    The wealthier greens voters are laughing all the way to the bank though. Take solar panels – they get the warm fuzzies from having the panels installed and a generous cross-subsidy from poor electricity users. What’s not to like?

  19. brc

    It’s an ok article – apart for repeating the fallacy that the windmills are powering homes, which they are not.

    But it misses the point. People don’t vote for the greens because they seriously consider where power comes from, or if windfarms are practical.

    They vote for the greens because it is fashionable to do so. A lot of people would vote greens if they suggested using orbiting asteroids for power – simply becaue the greens are all for gay marriage, lots of refugees, free high speed Internet, and every other fashionable cause.

    If you want to break the greens on the wheel, the only way to do so is to destroy the image of the greens as being a fashionable choice.

    Appealing to reason is counterproductive. Every voting for the greens has already suspended their reasoning abilities.

    The very idea of voting for the greens has to become unfashionable before you make any headway. Probably the only way this will happen is exposing gross hypocrisy or corruption.

    But at best 10% of the population is beyond help when it comes to rational thought, and the next 10% can probably only glimpse it when unemployment focuses their thinking.

  20. .

    RodClarke
    #1268215, posted on April 17, 2014 at 10:34 am
    Greens vote fall from 12 per cent to 9 per cent, a 25 per cent drop in support.[1] This follows on from the ACT election disaster, which saw the Party reduced from four seats to one in the Territory’s parliament.

    Scary thing is that they dont really need electoral success. Unelected Greens are deeply embedded and entrenched in every local council, bureaucracy, and department in the country.

    “Socialism” has only ever gotten less than 5% of the vote in this country but socialist policies are everywhere.

    This is why libertarians, free marketers, lovers of liberty, assorted right minded right wingers and righteous conservatives, need to form our own version of civil disobedience.

    The key is legal tax resistance and minimisation. A second pillar is to encourage people not to take welfare, and institutions not to take taxpayer supported funding (like churches). A third is to educate the public through evangelism like putting a copy of Atlas Shrugged and Free to Choose in every hotel room and doctor’s surgery and tyre shop. A fourth is to change language – TAXPAYER’S MONEY – let there be no illusion for low information voters that THE GOVERNMENT has its own funds for disposal. A fifth pillar is to initiate legal defence and challenges to petty imposition of fines, regulation or against minor misdemeanors and rules shackling development of businesses or the family home etc.

  21. Anne

    A Lurker
    #1268123, posted on April 17, 2014 at 9:16 am
    Brad Emery fundamentally misunderstands the Greens.

    The Greens don’t really care about coal or environmentalism per se.
    What they care about is power.
    Their environmental ‘face’ and 100% renewable electricity goal is simply a means to an end.
    The end being, the crippling and impoverishment of the West, and an end to Democracy.

    Spot on.

    Maybe the Dummies and the Dreamers (useful idiots) still think its about the planet man but the Deceivers are Fabian Socialists who want to control everything and everybody.

  22. mundi

    The fact that wind needs about 2 or 3 times the land of coal is one of the stupidest stats I have ever seen been used to mock wind. It is enough to sumt use the $$$.

    The fundamental failure of the greenies is that they are against progress. Progress has always required and used more energy. It’s not enough to just say we could replace energy with green energy, we need something that will be able to grow, we need something that will go forth and give orders of magnitude more energy per person over future decades.

    Of course every one of the green scum are ignorant fools. They never know where anything comes from. They have no idea what goes into making metal, cloth, plastic, rubber, glass, paper or pretty much anything.

    Green policies are so stupid that once they achieve the slightest bit of power and actually implement the slightest bit of policy – they instantly get smashed by the voters who have to suffer thier idiocy.

    Can we vegan imagine the utter collapse of society that would occur if they had a majority in both houses?

  23. Cold-Hands

    Now that Tasmania has thrown off the Greenfilth yoke, the ACT is left as the only test bed for Green policies. As Charles suggested above, let’s show the rest of Australia what Greens power policy would entail. They want to go 100% renewable? Let them- but in order for it to be a fair and robust experiment, cut them off from the national grid, so that the evil coal-fired electrickery cannot make up for any shortfall. Then wait for the howls of outrage as they’re forced to live like Catweazle, back in the pre-industrial era.

  24. Lem

    BUT WAIT! We have to take urgent action SENATOR LUDLAM said so, because we are swinging back into an El Nino pattern, and Australia is going to COOK! And this El Nino pattern is due to decades of NEGLECT!!!
    http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/article.aspx?id=968278

  25. .

    The fact that wind needs about 2 or 3 times the land of coal is one of the stupidest stats I have ever seen been used to mock wind. It is enough to sumt use the $$$.

    It is their metric. They own such a failure.

  26. Motelier

    Almost every component of the bike she is riding was manufactured using coal or gas fired power.

    The poor deluded greenfilth on her bike forgot one thing. And this is their problem. Getting people to ride bikes is great, but you need CO2 producing machinery to provide the concrete, and asphalt for them to ride on. Most people do not like to ride on dirt tracks.

    This needs to be pointed out to every greenfilther. If they are so sure of themselves, let them go completely “off the grid” and survive. I am sure that most of them would be back inside a warm house within days.

  27. Andrew

    Problem is, even if Global Cooling persisted for another 50 years and returned us to WWII temps, the filthies would STILL oppose coal. They would say theyre doing us a favour, somehow – by getting us to build windmills in 2000 with a 15 year lifespan (at best) we’re somehow better prepared for when oil and coal run out in the 24th century.

    And no, I’m not taking the piss – Green supporters have ACTUALLY said to me that the argument for “renewables” is that coal won’t last forever. Presumably as opposed to the rare earths in windmills.

  28. john constantine

    facts and figures are just things that rich white men use to make women feel belittled.

    a green hearing a fact based repudiation of greens policy read aloud,would just respond to it like a songbird responds to a challenging birdsong. No retention of any fact, or any figure, just flight or fight depending on the rival.

    Feeling the great truth is the big thing. It is just mean to make people feel unhappy. if you wouldn’t tell a girl that her arse looks big in a pair of jeans, you can’t tell her that windmills don’t work as well as coal farms.

    One of my mates daughters knows that the abbottbeast nearly killed her. She heard the great abbottbeasts voice on the abc radio in her car,and she became so overwhelmed with rage that she collapsed into hysterical blindness ran off the road and crashed into a stationary object. All her friends agreed that there was no other response possible,and that the abbottbeast should be banned from the abc, to prevent any more attempts on young girls lives.

  29. Toiling Mass

    I don’t see what all the fuss is about.

    If these zealots are looking at their models and scream about temperatures, can’t we just give them new models?

    I can’t see why they insist on changing the real world when the cause of their pants-wetting is not in the real world.

  30. Gab

    One of my mates daughters knows that the abbottbeast nearly killed her. She heard the great abbottbeasts voice on the abc radio in her car,and she became so overwhelmed with rage that she collapsed into hysterical blindness ran off the road and crashed into a stationary object. All her friends agreed that there was no other response possible,and that the abbottbeast should be banned from the abc, to prevent any more attempts on young girls lives.

    That type of reasoning is right up there with head of the IPCC – the porn novelist and railway engineer – declaring CO2 should be vacuumed from the sky and sits comfortably alongside the evidence-free assertion that wind and solar plants will supply all our electricity if only there was no evil coal, hydro or gas.

  31. .

    One of my mates daughters knows that the abbottbeast nearly killed her. She heard the great abbottbeasts voice on the abc radio in her car,and she became so overwhelmed with rage that she collapsed into hysterical blindness ran off the road and crashed into a stationary object. All her friends agreed that there was no other response possible,and that the abbottbeast should be banned from the abc, to prevent any more attempts on young girls lives.

    LOL

    What a fucking douchebag.

  32. Toiling Mass

    Abbott666 took the last raspberry friand from my coffee shop this morning.

  33. Rabz

    She heard the great abbottbeasts voice on the abc radio in her car and she became so overwhelmed with rage

    Interesting. I used to have a similar reaction whenever I heard Lady Lardarse. My initial overwhelming instinct was to grab my Louisville Slugger and smash the source of that monstrous nasal mondrone to smithereens.

    This is why I never play the radio when driving.

  34. Myrddin Seren

    NSW Greens MLC, John Kaye, has called for NSW to be 100 per cent powered by renewable energy sources in just sixteen years, by ‘…rapidly phasing out fossil fuel electricity generation

    That is the thing of course.

    If a state or nation closed down all it’s fossil fuel and nuclear ( Germany ) baseload power generation – then by extension what electricity that is produced will be the so-called 100% renewable.

    However, there is no possibility under current technology that said ‘green’ state would be producing 100% of it’s current electricity output, yet alone any future demand growth. It is also clear that under the ’100% renewable scenario’ electricity would be intermittent ( wind gotta blow, sun gotta shine )
    and expensive.

    So in the outrage that would follow such a situation – Greens would demand economic and political change such that ‘the rich’ would have wealth redistributed to pay for the overpriced electricity and flow on costs AND

    a lot of vulnerable people would die when heating, cooling and life support ( humidicribs, dialysis machines etc ) don’t work when needed.

    To the Greens, what is not to like about a scenario that culls the human viral infestation and creates a command-and-control centrally planned economy, like Lee Rhiannon’s beloved former Soviet Union ?

  35. blogstrop

    The Green disease is bound up with the west-destroying PC disease, has much of the media as an accelerant, and has no cure that doesn’t involve becoming a lot tougher than anyone has been recently; probably since the 1950s.

  36. Lem

    Abbott666 took the last raspberry friand from my coffee shop this morning.

    The bastard.

  37. "leftist greeny"

    To understand why Homo sapiens have done nothing to avert climate destabilisation catastrophe and, now that it is too late to remediate, near term extinction of our and most higher species, you must understand a few salient features of modern life under end-stage capitalism.

    First, that the decision to commit group mass suicide was taken by the tiny ruling global elite, not humanity as a whole. All decisions in capitalist pathocracies are made by the moneyed elites, then put into effect by their political stooges. As fossil fuels are the greatest repository of wealth in history, and as the moneyed elites, being mostly psychopaths (it is the type preferenced by capitalism) do not give a stuff how many billions of others die (the ultimate ‘externality’), the money, as ever, won.

    So the fossil fuel omnicidaires, once they saw the threat of decarbonisation looming, created a denialist industry, lavishly financed, in various ‘think-tanks’ where the only thinking is malign, and amongst various hard Right bloggers, and in the Rightwing main stream media (MSM). As we know in this country, Murdoch’s Evil Empire has led the most fanatical denialist forces, aided and abetted by the Liberal Party under Howard and Abbott, with the usual moral cowardice of its non-insane members adding to the disaster.

    And the denialist industry hit on the clever tactic of labeling climate science ‘Leftist’ or ‘Green’. Given that the Rightwing MSM has been vilifying environmentalists with increasing fervour and hysteria ever since the Franklin Dam case the sub-median section of the populace in intelligence were swiftly recruited to the cause. The Dunning-Kruger phenomenon soon arose, with idiots equating their opinions (actually those of their Rightwing MSM brainwashers) with real science, you get the intellectual, moral and spiritual debacle of idiots, brainwashed by malevolent propagandists voting for their 4WDs, McMansions, plasma TVs and Jetskis ahead of the lives of their children and grand-children. The greatest and last moral catastrophe in humanity’s sad, sick, sorry history.

  38. jupes

    If a clean, non-nuclear, alternative to fossil fuels is developed…

    As Dot says above, we need to change the language (back).

    The Greenfilth use the word clean to indicate low or zero CO2 emissions. They are not talking about particle pollutants. They also use words like carbon and carbon pollution in their newspeak.

    It behoves us to reject this blatant propaganda and use words that are accurate.

  39. jupes

    Why people voted for the Greens

    From the Chaser boys.

    Such a rich vein to mine yet it remains barely touched. Perhaps if they did more of this and less smearing of Chris Kenny they wouldn’t get the ABC into so much trouble.

  40. Notafan

    The electricity supply in Europe seems to be pathetic anyhow, can’t run the washing machine and the dishwasher at the same time or the power goes off. One place you couldn’t use both elements on the stove (and nothing else) or the power went off.

  41. .

    Indeed, Jupes.

    “Carbon” is not a pollutant, let alone an emission.

    The Government has NO money. It has TAXPAYER’S money which it seized with the threat of force.

  42. Peter

    I am convinced tha one of the primary drivers of Green-think is their need to look down their noses at others.

    Having abandoned almost all of what might be called “traditional morality” (including the work-ethic) they have invented a new morality with a whole new litany of “sins”. His, like the Pharisees of old, they can now esteem themselves by contrasting their “righteous” behaviour with that of the despised “sinners”.

    Why do you think that the Greens so much resemble a cult?

  43. Tom

    The hippie virus of the late 1960s and early 1970s never went away. Its virulent anti-civilisationism was the foundation of the modern Greenfilth and was especially popular with the dullards who couldn’t do anything else and became school teachers. And so the inability to deal with reality, which was the dominant hippie characteristic, became embedded in the secondary education system.

    It was inevitable that hippies from that era would rise to the top of the bureaucracy — using what we now recognise as insidious Alinskyist tactics to achieve political power without having to be elected — and in America James Hansen hit the jackpot for unelected power by seeing the potential of the UN as a Trojan horse for the new hippieism. Voila! Hansen invented the IPCC, which was able to pass itself off as a “scientific” organisation instead of the political lobby it is with the help of the leftist media. The IPCC is merely repeating the fact-free hippie gibberish that has been embedded in the Western secondary school curriculum for 40 years.

    It’s the perfect storm: a generation and a half of propaganda fodder swallowing the neo-communist Greenfilth anti-civilisationism without question. As civilisation advanced, we thought we were indoctrinating the kiddies with a classical education that taught them to solve problems and question everything. Instead, we have a miseducated a generation who don’t know where milk comes from and believe everything they’re told — the vast majority poorly educated zombies able to live in an alternate universe where they’re fed rarely interrupted anti-civilisationist propaganda by the leftist media.

    Few of them have the first idea about how Western civilisation developed and the price we must continue to pay to keep the lifestyle it delivers, which the zombies think comes from the same magic money tree, which delivers government revenue, while voting for the Greenfilth who are trying to destroy it.

  44. alan moran

    Interesting points and insights in the piece.

    Just be careful about a couple of matters.

    As Cohenite and others point out wind power is not the same quality as fossil or nuclear power. But also the size of land required is not very much – Tonga may be exotic but it is less than 2% of NSW. Moreover, the existence of the behomothic windmills does not mean the land cannot be used for grazing.
    Secondly, most of that 6% of NSW energy from renewables is hydro.
    Thirdly, never imagine the green left will lose an argument on jobs. They will offer subsidies for all manner of “clean well-paid, sustainable:” jobs, fixing windmills, ecotourism , closing down coal mines and so on. The fact is that none of these jobs pay for themselves and some kill other subsidy free employment.

  45. .

    Why do you think that the Greens so much resemble a cult?

    Because they generally hold whacko religious beliefs, like new agers, veganism as militancy or are communists anyway.

  46. .

    Hydro and nuclear offer cheap, reliable baseload and peak electricity energy supply with low carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions.

    The Greens reject these automatically, in totality and with no consideration.

  47. jupes

    Saw a bit of comedy on Sky last night.

    Richo was interviewing Scott Ludlum and made the observation to the effect that the sceptics and ‘deniers’ were controlling the narrative and that the Green message wasn’t being heard, so when are we going to hear the counter argument?

    You get the feeling Richo really wanted to hear some hard facts from Ludlum so he could trump Big Al Jones on their show. Alas no such luck. Ludlum’s advice was to get Will Steffan on his show.

    LOL. Steffan and the Flanster are a couple of the main reasons that the scam is floundering.

  48. handjive

    A couple of relevant links:

    Solar Provides 0.2% of Electric Supply–Up From 0.02% Before Obama
    January 29, 2014

    According to the U.S. government’s Energy Information Administration, the United States is producing less electricity now than it did when Obama took office. (See Table 7.2.a.)
    . . .
    “On Queensland’s Darling Downs, the resources company Linc Energy is facing criminal charges for allegedly causing “serious environmental harm” at an experimental underground coal gasification plant.
    Linc Energy had hoped to turn its Chinchilla plant into an operation converting UCG product into diesel and jet fuel, pumping out up to 20,000 barrels a day.

    But late last year, Linc Energy announced it was walking away from the Chinchilla project, despite spending $200 million on it, with the company blaming a lack of state support for the decision.

    Now the company is facing charges under the Environmental Protection Act and while details of the charges haven’t been made public, the ABC understands one involves the fracturing of what’s called the overburden, or the layer or layers above the coal chamber that’s being subjected to gasification.”

  49. entropy

    What’s the relevance handjob? Ones shows how risible solar really is, sorta relevant, the other shows that Bligh allowed a bad, experimental process to occur in valuable farming country. CSG is worth the risk, UCG not.

  50. entropy

    And the ABC understands nothing. UCG burns a big cavity underground and it appears the ceiling is collapsing. Tracking does not do this, but the ABC tried to sneakily link it.

  51. Yobbo

    The death of the greens is greatly exaggerated. They got 16% primary in the WA senate election last week. Australia becomes more retarded every day.

  52. Winston

    I have the pleasure of driving past the Capital Hill Wind Farm near Bungendore on a regular basis. It may be NSW’s largest wind farm with 67 wind turbines that take up 35 square kilometres of land. Yesterday, the entire wind farm produced zero kilowatts. Not a single turbine was spinning. As is often the case.

    Other than being a massive monument to financial and eco stupidity, it is at least keeping some gas or coal fired power plant returning a healthy profit in inflated electricity generation demand.

  53. JC

    The death of the greens is greatly exaggerated. They got 16% primary in the WA senate election last week. Australia becomes more retarded every day.

    And dragging the Liars party even further to the left. It’s very worrying.

    One thing that could come about is a liar party split which could loosely form a coalition with libs.

  54. TP

    Another way of looking at Brad’s figures is that 3,200 wind turbines would be required to power NSW. All these turbines would be manufactured in China using power produced from coal fired power stations with the coal imported from Aust.

  55. cohenite

    Energy density or lack thereof, along with intermittency are the inherent defects of renewable energy.

    The position of the greens is grotesque when it comes to energy density and they have objected to a number of proposed wind or solar installations because of their size. Brightsource for instance, a solar ‘farm’ would cover 8.5 square kilometres and only produce 370 MW at full installed capacity; the actual power it would produce or the capacity factor would only be a 1/5th of that IC and the chance of maximum power at any one time would be less than 5%.

    But that’s not why the greenies object to it; the reason they don’t won’t it is they have finally cottoned on to the fact that such installations create an ecological waste-zone with the panels literally frying birds flying past with temperatures up to 800F.

  56. Notafan

    How big is that fry zone?

  57. Rollyone

    The GRN’s will also dismantle our defence force and open borders.

  58. nerblnob

    The Greens certainly profit from the woolly headed but otherwise decent voters thinking they are the good guys who are somehow above politics. So they make a good protest vote option for those who don’t like politics.

    Anyway, you’ll know “renewable” energy is viable when your green crashes her bicycle and is happy to be taken to a solar powered hospital in a solar powered ambulance along roads made with the dung of wild herbivores, a hospital staffed by surgeons, nurses and doctors who get to work from their wind powered homes by wooden bicycle and use no dangerous technology like x ray machines.

  59. Yobbo

    The GRN’s will also dismantle our defence force and open borders.

    Greens would not open borders, they think Australia is overpopulated already. They would probably restrict immigration to fanatical muslims only though.

  60. Splatacrobat

    Optional preferential voting my friends. You know it makes sense.

    First preference votes in the Qld state election 2012

    Ahead on Primary votes
    Australian Labor Party ALP 7
    The Australian Party KAP 2
    LNP LNP 78
    Other Candidates 2

    We know that in the Fed election about a quarter of Labor seats (a rough estimate) only got over the line on preferences from Greens. If it was optional preferential voting most of these seats would have been won by the Libs.

  61. Splatacrobat

    Greens would not open borders, they think Australia is overpopulated already.

    They would use the defence forces to enforce their Soylent Green policies

  62. JohnA

    However, even mentioning the ‘N’ word sends Greens into anaphylactic shock.

    As Grumpy Cat would want to say:
    “GOOD!”
    and
    “…what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs.” Matthew 10:27
    and for a 50′s generation:
    “Shout!”

  63. JohnA

    William #1268166, posted on April 17, 2014 at 10:01 am

    We should send all the Greens to Tasmania and immediately cease any further federal support. They can then use the state as their own political play thing and we should prepare right now to turn back the boats that try and come across Bass Strait.

    Why Tasmania? How about some barren island which won’t tempt them to invent fire? Heard or Macquarie, perhaps? It’s cooler down there, too!

  64. AP

    little more than thought bubbles with the depth of a tweet

    I am stealing this. Great line.

  65. AP

    UCG is bad, bad news. No one in the coal industry supports it. It gives us a bad name. It’s a terrible, terrible idea.

  66. Wozzup

    In relation to your comment that NSW would have to have 47 extra wind farms of the size of Bungendore to provide all of NSW’s electricity by wind. In fact its far far far worse than that. Because wind power is not reliable, and wind farms only generate power when the wind happens to be blowing – not necessarily when its needed, to produce power more or less reliably with wind you need up to 4 times the generating capacity nominally required, spread over a large dispersed area of the state to have a reasonable assurance that there will be some power available when its needed if you are going to rely solely on wind generation. Even then you will never be assured. On this basis you would need, not 47 times the area of Bungendore but something approaching 200 times the area. And instead of paying about $30 per megawatt hour for base load power generated by coal you will be paying, I think the figure is also something like 4 times that. Even then you will not be assured that power will be available when its needed as the wind just does not blow on demand. So folks, take that HUGE electricity bill you are paying right now and multiply it by 4 or even more. Then hope that the wind is blowing all over the state when its hot or cold or when industry and commerce wants to work and produce goods or services. And if you want to visit the country to take in the joys of nature, well forget it because pretty much of the area of rural NSW will be given over to wind farms. That’s wind power – useless, unreliable, expensive and only of interest to greenies who think its wonderful. Bu then again greenies have their head up their arses and that’s about the only place on Gods green earth that reliably produces hot air – although sadly not enough to run a wind farm.

  67. nerblnob

    I’d never heard much about UCG before but it sounds intriguing.

    I looked at that ABC report linked above, full of vague allegations, which I suppose is how the general public becomes aware of non-”green” technology things: always in terms of some kind of impending disaster or alleged dodgy dealings.

    No wonder they’re so predisposed to believe the worst.

    I did like the quote from the mayor referring to “underground water aquifers” . Doh. Usually known as “aquifers”. I also like the way the ABC quotes a “veteran enironmental campaigner” extensively but only reports Linc Energy indirectly as saying there’s nothing to fear.

    It’s easy enough to go to Linc’s website to see what they actually do say rather than what ABC would like tghem to have said:

    Linc Energy has released the last five years of groundwater data that it has collected as part of its mandatory monitoring obligations required by its UCG environmental licence. The results, covering all monitoring events, are included in the document below. The results presented are for those compounds that could be indicative of the UCG process. Some of these compounds are not required to be analysed, but have been included for completeness. The results clearly show that there have been no detection of benzene or other BTEX compounds. Linc Energy would like to be clear that no event has occurred nine months ago or in the recent past, as indicated by recent media. The allegations made by the Department of Environment and Heritage Protection mostly refer to a difference of opinion. Releasing the water data, is to show our neighbours and our Chinchilla community that there is absolutely no concern and that Linc Energy fully complies with it is environmental groundwater requirements. View Linc Energy’s Groundwater Data here. – See more at: http://www.lincenergy.com/environment.php#sthash.jnbamzTO.dpuf

  68. Danzig_misfit

    I know some smart people who are truly stupid. Controlled by their so called moral compass, start quoting stupid shit like the 97% of scientists. I don’t get it, I am logical not emotional. They work in professional roles, but their inquiring minds stop working once work stops. I don’t think there will ever be any evidence that will make smart inner city people acknowledge that they are a bunch of dumb arses that didn’t question and threw logic out the window. AGW still has some legs until people stop giving the Greens a voice. Unfortunately in our current voting setup, Greens get the protest votes.

  69. Bruce of Newcastle

    Another problem with wind power is you cannot just extrapolate linearly and say Bungendore has 67 turbines therefore all of NSW would need “another 47 wind farms similar to the Capital Hill project”.

    The wind farms which now exist have been built on the best sites. Good sites are limited. I don’t know what its like in NSW but you can see this in the case of the US. The US has the relatively windy Great Plains, but even those sites are Class 4, which is marginal. I hazard that almost all of NSW would rate Class 3 or lower, since NSW is just not very windy due to the climatic patterns.

    In other words you probably would not need only 47 such wind farms, you would need several hundred more such wind farms. That is just on the arithmetic, forgetting literally fatal issues like lack of backup capacity. Hydro can do some, but cannot possibly cope with all the backing up required. People would die because of the massive blackouts. And many endangered species of birds and bats would go extinct, mashed into pulp.

  70. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    near term extinction

    I’m looking forward to yours, our self-declared ‘leftist greeny’ at 12.16pm above.

  71. Winston, how long would a camera covering the wind factory last if it was able to show the non turning blades? My bet is that it would be smashed within a week of starting to feed to the web.

  72. johanna

    Excellent point, Bruce. The low hanging fruit has mostly been picked in countries where governments have been stupid enough to subsidise windmills. The remaining sites have diminishing returns.

    And then then there is the issue of windmills decreasing the amount of wind available to the next one in line. Put those together in a place where the winds are not much to begin with, and you have negligible outputs which even the most economically illiterate politician should be able to grasp.

  73. egg_

    Greens still living in a clean energy fantasy world.

    FTFY.
    Next?

  74. Andrew

    I’d happily pay the WBCT on the express condition that it NOT be used to subsidise Green projects. As a massive consumption tax (and a regressive one) it beats income tax or GST.

    But taking it and flushing it on windmills is just an insult.

  75. “If a clean, non-nuclear, alternative to fossil fuels is developed, that can adequately provide the base load power requirements of our states and cities and create a sufficient number of jobs, it stands to reason that companies would diversify in order to capitalise on the new market.”

    This is the kind of clear thinking rationality those of the green-left are incapable of understanding…

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