Act of uncertainty

The right to call someone a Balmain basket weaver is not curtailed by section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. Balmain residents are not defined as an ethnic group, at least not according to law.

As Race Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane assured readers of The Age recently:

The law only covers acts with a clear racial basis. It doesn’t extend to trivial slights.

Yet the legal definition of racism is not clear cut, as the recent judgment  of Whiteoak v State of New South Wales demonstrated. The NSW Anti-Discrimination Act 1977 states:

‘race’ includes colour, nationality, descent and ethnic, ethno-religous or national origin.

It the Whiteoak matter, the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal treats the terms citizenship and nationality as synonymous:

The Tribunal is satisfied that the Applicant’s citizenship of the United Kingdom is an aspect of race for the purposes of ss 7 and 19 of the AD Act.

The ruling creates problems, not least for the anti-discrimination industry itself, as I explore in The Australian today.

Should we be surprised about the intensity of the debate over the abolition of 18C when we find it difficult to agree what race or racism actually mean? The Race Commissioner only adds to the confusion by introducing the concept of casual racism. In The Age last August, Soutphommasane wrote

We all know the sort of racism I’m talking about.

Do we really? As Soutphommasane writes in Don’t Go Back to Where You Came From, there is considerable dispute about whether race identity must have a genetic component or if it is merely an expression of shared cultural identity. He writes:

We may all recognise that racism constitutes a significant harm, but determining what must count as racism isn’t always easy. The notion of cultural racism complicates things. Admittedly, what sociologists call cultural racism could be more helpfully  labeled as cultural intolerance or cultural bigotry. For if racism can assume a cultural as well as biological form, this appears to imply that all cultural identities must be entitled to equal respect and recognition.

Now we’re getting somewhere. Defining race as cultural, as well as biological, drives the debate into difficult ground, as Soutphommasane acknowledges:

Clearly, there must be limits to what we should recognise as cultural identity worthy of our respect and endorsement. If not, a community would find it impossible to object to some cultural practices, including those that run counter to fundamental liberal democratic values. Consider, for example, the case of a member of an immigrant community who argues that the practice of polygynist marriage is necessary for the maintenance of their religious or ethnic culture… Would objecting to such a cultural practice amount to an expression of ‘cultural racism’?

Soutphommasane’s helpful exploration of these difficult issues was cut short by his appointment to the Human Rights Commission. He has now become an intransigent defender of flawed legislation that attempts to put legal boundaries around a poorly-defined form of intolerance.

 

 

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82 Responses to Act of uncertainty

  1. Sir Fred Lenin

    Who is this Southpawmazan Wanker,feeds on the Taxpayer does it,? Usually do these ” regressives” .race is race ,how many red haired Negroes have you seen ? How many blone haired blue eyed Asians and Aboriginals ? These Regressives are totally Off The Planet,DEFUND them .that will fix the Buggers!

  2. Mayan

    It seems that ‘race’ isn’t very well defined at all. It’s always been a contentious term, even when confined to biology. The inclusion of culture within its definition is especially scary, since culture is what makes our society, and it is what makes so many places in the world such utter misery factories. A law that says one must be careful about criticising certain cultures has dangers which I think we can all see. Some groups in our society have patterns of life and attitudes that lead them to be successful and virtuous contributors to our society. Other patterns, cultures, are a detriment.

  3. rickw

    How about we just fix the problem once and for all? Scrap the WHOLE racial discrimination act.

    The Law has always performed miserably when it comes to regulating “good behaviour” and this area is no exception.

    The best Court for Racial Discrimination etc. etc. is simply the Court of Public Opinion.

  4. Gab

    Repeal the Racial Discrimination Act.

    Shut down the Australian Human Rights Commission.

    QED.

  5. Gab, we have to have a HRC because we’re members of the UN.
    The only way around that would be to leave the UN…
    Hang on, I’ve just had a good idea – let me think about that one for a bit…

  6. faceache

    How many blond blue eyed aboriginals? lol

  7. Bill Posters

    So where does being called a middle aged Angle-Saxon male fit in?

  8. faceache

    As a bus driver I have been called a racist white c*** for asking two drug/alcohol addled fair skinned people to stop fornicating on the back seat of a bus. My tolerance levels were a bit low that day I suppose.

  9. Gab

    So where does being called a middle aged Angle-Saxon male fit in?

    Please. In the lefty parlance it’s “old rich white men”.

  10. Gab

    Gab, we have to have a HRC because we’re members of the UN.

    In a just world, we would resign from the blood-sucking taxpayer-pilfering Dictator’s Party immediately. It only takes one country and the rest – bar the Arab nations – will follow.

  11. James

    According to some, boatpeople is also a race, since supporting “stop the boat” is considered “racist”

  12. srr

    It only takes one country and the rest – bar the Arab nations – will follow.

    sort of like when Abbott went O/S and went very cool on the whole Warmie BS – and suddenly there was a whole host of Nations big nobs scrambling to say, “What he said!”.

    Really, re-branding The League of Nations, The United Nations, made as much sense as re-branding Global Warming, Climate Change.

    Evil bullshit and twisted tales, are evil bullshit and twisted tales – all the name changes simply become examples of other words for evil bullshit and twisted tales.

  13. manalive

    The ruling creates problems, not least for the anti-discrimination industry itself, as I explore in The Australian today …

    Nicely argued article IMHO.

    … It is human rights devoid of any sense of proportion, prudence or natural justice; human rights as a sledgehammer to settle petty grievances; human rights that creates more red tape and employment for bureaucrats; human rights that turns courts and tribunals into theatres of the grotesque.federal Racial Discrimination Act against the government’s attempts to amend it …

    That sentence is a corker, the matter in a nutshell.

  14. Blair

    “We may all recognise that racism constitutes a significant harm, but determining what must count as racism isn’t always easy.”
    We may all recognise that something constitutes a significant harm, but determining what that something is isn’t always easy.

  15. manalive

    Ooops: …” It is human rights devoid of any sense of proportion, prudence or natural justice; human rights as a sledgehammer to settle petty grievances; human rights that creates more red tape and employment for bureaucrats; human rights that turns courts and tribunals into theatres of the grotesqueThat sentence is a corker, the matter in a nutshell”.

  16. srr

    The Wog Boy is a 2000 Australian motion picture comedy starring Nick Giannopoulos, Vince Colosimo, Lucy Bell, Abi Tucker, John Barresi, Stephen Curry, Hung Le, Geraldine Turner, Tony Nikolakopoulos and Derryn Hinch

    How many current and next election voters, weren’t even in primary school then, and how many spent those last 14 years in schools being brainwashed by Leftist agenda pushing Teachers Leaches.

    And how many of those stars and the others employed in the making of that beloved Australian hit movie, are fighting those insane laws that make honest humour, ‘criminal’?

    And…why is it legal to keep playing those ads for box sets of, “Acropolis Now”, on free to air TV?

  17. .

    Ahh you stupid farken farken…gold!

  18. nic

    We all know the sort of racism I’m talking about.

    ie, anything where the perpetrator was white.

  19. Roger

    The NSW Anti-Discrimination Act 1977 states: ‘race’ includes colour, nationality, descent and ethnic, ethno-religous or national origin.
    It would seem that not only could the NSW parliamentarians of 1977 not think clearly (nationality and “race” have nothing to do with each other), they also could not spell.

  20. Pedro

    “‘race’ includes colour, nationality, descent and ethnic, ethno-religous or national origin”

    Obviously that is more than just race, but I’m not sure that the list much extends the type of bigotry you’d expect laws like that would cover. Citizenship seems a pretty good marker for nationality, among others.

    Of course the decision is stupid, but that because there was no discrimination and not because Whiteoak is not a pommy bastard.

  21. David

    not only could the NSW parliamentarians of 1977 not think clearly

    That inability commenced in 1788 and still continues. The only reason the “pollies” in NSW have a leg up is that it was the first place settled.

    Pollies in the rest of Australia started in the same vein as soon as those bits were settled and they organised some form of “gummint” to extract money from those who worked gainfully to make it.

    The Rabz doctrine becomes more enticing as time flits by.

  22. srr

    Remember how happily Australians of all backgrounds, got along, before we were taught not to -

    Con The Fruiterer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4aNzXKxwLM&list=RDa4aNzXKxwLM#t=0

    The spirit of Australian Culture was blessed with Good Humour, that was very much our saving grace, and when did have something to fight about, it was usually with a fair exchange of words or fists, not lawyers and guns, as has become so common since we were forced to put away and deny Our Culture because the Poisonous culture of the UN declared it “culturally insensitive”.

  23. Roger

    Fill me in on the Rabz doctrine, please, David.
    I’ve come across him here but not his doctrine.

  24. Sir Fred Lenin

    Are greens,alp crims,poofters,lesos, criminal illegal entrants dole bludgers classified as races Southpaw? They cop a lot of abuse, And what group in the community is Not a race? When blond aboriginals with blue eyes abuse an old white middle aged man who pays the Tax that they bludge on ,is tht Racism? I think by your defination it is what is the shooman wrongs leechgroup gonna do about that southy?

  25. Roger

    Remember how happily Australians of all backgrounds, got along, before we were taught not to I remember Frank Knopfelmacher, the Czech-Jewish immigrant and virulent anti-communist, saying that upon arriving in Australia in the 1950s he realised most Australians didn’t particularly like Jews but observed they were too polite to say anything unkind to a Jew. Good manners goes a long way towards social cohesion. Regrettably both are disappearing these days.

  26. Robert Blair

    There is a perniciousness in the conflation of “race” with “culture”/”cultural identity”.

    Race (in the genetic sense) is a thing you are born with and cannot change. Not your fault.

    On the other hand, “culture” means “what people do”. If you choose a cultural identity, you are choosing a behavioral template. It is a choice. I can choose to be a renegade bikie, and say that it is my “cultural identity”.
    Ditto if I decide to be an islamic jihadi.

    “Culture” is yours – you choose it, you own it.

    It is obviously going to be very silly if criticism of the way people behave is to be outlawed.

    But that is not the plan – the plan is that “racism” prosecutions will only be used against non-Left targets (or Left renegades perhaps). To do this the Left need to be confident that they have the power to control all of the now and future “racism” arbiters.
    The left are confident they have that power (they have worked hard enough and long enough to get there).

    At the end of the day “racism” is about power – entrenching and expanding the Left’s control of the nation.

  27. Roger

    At the end of the day “racism” is about power – entrenching and expanding the Left’s control of the nation. Absolutely correct. I will just add, though, contrary to your second sentence, that the notion of “races” having a genetic basis is fast disappearing in science. What genetics reveals is that there is really only one race, the human race, with different distribution patterns of genetic material based on migration, isolation ,etc.

  28. David

    G’day Roger,

    Rabz doctrine -

    Shut. It. Down.

    Fire. Them. All.

  29. Robert Blair

    I noted that the Google spell-checker wanted me to spell islamic with a capital “I”.

    It does the same for buddhist, taoist, hebrew, mormon, hindu, sunni, shia, wiccan, bahai, sihk, jain.

    But not christian. Or catholic. Or protestant. Or baptist.
    Oh, and atheist. Apparently you guys are just as unworthy of capitalisation as Christians.

    Try it yourself.

    How good is that?

  30. stackja

    The law only covers acts with a clear racial basis. It doesn’t extend to trivial slights.

    Honni soit qui mal y pense

    Or as Google says “Evil be to him who evil thinks”

  31. David

    Quadrant On Line has a good article today with the title 18C’s Useful Idiots.

    Points also to a bloke in the UK getting arrested for quoting from Churchill’s book “The River War”. Just as well “Winnie” has departed this world. Not sure the UK of today is what he was fighting for.

    It is a lesson we need to heed.

  32. David

    Honni soit qui mal y pense

    It’d make a good motto for an Order of Chivalry

  33. Robert Blair

    Roger,

    the notion of “races” having a genetic basis is fast disappearing in science.

    I am philosophically of the same opinion. I think the left, however, will be quite pleased to un-moor “racism” from any objective measure.

    As so often happens on the Left, they will be in Alice In Wonderland territory (they almost always end up there anyway):

    “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
    “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

    The Left mean to be master.

  34. Roger

    Robert,

    I think that if the government disconnected welfare and all forms of government support from the notion of “race” and simply approached welfare on the basis of need, the biggest blow possible would be struck not only against actual bigotry but also against the Left’s use of racism as a tool of oppression. Unhappily, the present government does not seem poised to effect that reform and is inadvertently playing into the hands of the totalitarian Left.

  35. cohenite

    2 good statements by Robert:

    At the end of the day “racism” is about power – entrenching and expanding the Left’s control of the nation.

    “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
    “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”

    The Left mean to be master.

    All of the issues promulgated by the progressives are meant to define their superiority in some way.

  36. Rococo Liberal

    Why is one form of offence privileged above all the rest?

    If we would think it stupid for the law to try and prevent me from being called a ‘Tory bastard” then we must think it stupid for the law to try and prevent me for calling someone a black bastard.

  37. stackja

    David
    #1284902, posted on April 29, 2014 at 1:18 pm
    Honni soit qui mal y pense
    It’d make a good motto for an Order of Chivalry

    The Most Noble Order!

  38. cohenite

    If we would think it stupid for the law to try and prevent me from being called a ‘Tory bastard” then we must think it stupid for the law to try and prevent me for calling someone a black bastard.

    What about a black Tory bastard?

  39. We all know the sort of racism I’m talking about.

    “we” might know but the law doesn’t. It’s not written into the law.

  40. boy on a bike

    According to some, boatpeople is also a race

    Well, it was a race. A race to get here before the Libs slammed the door shut on illegal maritime entries.

  41. Des Deskperson

    ‘Gab, we have to have a HRC because we’re members of the UN’

    Lets assume that we do as part of our obligations under the UN Convention on Human Rights, although I can’t find anything in an admittedly brief google search that mandates it.

    Anyway, here’s a list of the countries that are signatories to the UN Convention on Human Rights.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Countries/Pages/HumanRightsintheWorld.aspx

    Assuming they have ratified the Convention, all these countries, some of them the world’s worst tyrannies, must therefore, on the basis of our assumption, have a human rights commission.

    In other words, Australia is one of the few countries in the world that actually takes this UN crap seriously, for the rest, it’s just Potemkin Village stuff and the UN doesn’t seem to mind. So we could scale back the HRC dramatically and still be meeting our international obligations.

  42. Toiling Mass

    So where does being called a middle aged Angle-Saxon male fit in?

    In the dock.

  43. Wozzup

    As near as I can figure racism has usually meant any slight directed for any reason against anyone who is not white, Anglo Saxon or protestant. (And yes I am deliberately leaving Celts out of this mix as most of them would say they are the subject of racism from time to time). At least that’s how people have tended to define it in the past. At least by defining someone who is British as being able to be subject to racism levels the playing field somewhat. But it is never the less an absurdity – as much as anything because the whole bloody Act itself is a shameful and disgraceful absurdity.

    I am opposed to racism but I am even more opposed to the whole racism industry that has sprung up around this legislation and this area. Which is after all about of social control and is just another mechanism by which the Left seeks to control and shape society in its own addled and misbegotten image. It is a particular absurdity that a body that is apparently so invested with interest in this field can make a decision which effectively makes it invalid for someone doing their duty and attempting to protect society from the disgusting scum that Whiteoak undoubtedly is, to take account of the factors that are clearly relevant in this case – including his nationality. Clearly what should be recognized here, and usually is recognized in other areas of the law is the notion of public good, public policy and public benefit. It should not be regarded as in the least bit racist to raise matters where doing so benefits the wider interests of the public.

    I suppose, taken at face value, the decision in this case means that it will become unlawful to object to some cultural practices that we find abhorrent. The forced marriage of old men to little underage girls for example or female genital mutilation on the grounds that any such objection is racist. If that is the path we are headed down then this is not my Australia. This not the country that I want to belong to, even though I was born here. Fortunately (and I hope and pray it will occur) this decision may be subject to an appeal to a superior court which, one would hope will have something to say about the findings.

  44. Ant

    We all know the sort of racism I’m talking about.

    Sure we do.

    If it’s racism from some scumbag leftist anarchist who wouldn’t move his legs to fart, it’s all AOK and, no, no, no, it’s not racist at all.

    But if it some 13 year old kid who calls a hairy ape of a footballer “ape”, then look out!

  45. Des Deskperson

    Sorry, Here’s a better list, the signatories to the Convention on Civil and Political rights;

    https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-4&chapter=4&lang=en

    The UN has a whole slew of these conventions on race, gender, rights etc, all of them signed and ratified by various authoritarian s**holes!!

  46. Robert Blair

    Ant:

    some 13 year old kid who calls a hairy ape of a footballer

    To be precise, it was an underprivileged, under-educated, 13 year old chiild, and it was a large muscular, wealthy, privileged full grown man hairy ape of a footballer.

  47. Vicki

    I have always been confused about the the loading that people seem to put on the term “racism”. Admittedly, it is a long time since I studied Anthropology at university (including cultural anthropology), but I have always understood “race” to refer broadly to genetic ancestry and associated ethnic characteristics.

    But I am apparently wrong, since the NSW Anti-Discrimination Act 1977 says otherwise and includes the amazingly specific “nationality” in its definition. No wonder the politically-correct have their hands so ready of the shaft of their knives, ready to take offence.

    What a tolerant (or complacent) bunch we were to allow this subtle (or perhaps not too subtle) attack on free speech to be enacted under two Labor governments (state & federal) – the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 under the moribund Whitlam government, and the NSW Anti-Discrimination Act 1977 during Neville Wran’s ascendancy.

    Both pieces of legislation were undoubtedly triggered by one of the early pieces of supranational edicts passed by the UN in 1969 – the “Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Racial Discrimination”. How we have slavishly followed the lead of that unrepresentative body at the expense of our legislative independence!

    It is about time we reversed this trend. I am trusting that George Brandis will lead the way.

  48. Vicki

    Unfortunately, Des Deskperson @2.02pm, the scaling back of the HRC to the degree I think you are suggesting, is not on George’s agenda. He is flat out getting the nervous nellies in his Party to agree to a watered-down version of 18C. Such is the success of the assumption of the high ground on this issue by the Left.

  49. stackja

    Vicki
    #1284975, posted on April 29, 2014 at 2:36 pm
    Such is the success of the assumption of the high ground on this issue by the Left.

    The Left control the MSM and most of the judiciary.

  50. Vicki

    OK Roger @ 1.05pm, science now agrees (when have we heard that before?) that there is only one race – the human race, and there are simply variations in distribution patterns of genetic material.

    So, there cannot, by definition, be anything called “racism”? The offence, if such it is, is actually something that could be called “culturalism” – and this is what I have always argued.

    Those who are accused of “racism” are often objecting to some form of cultural difference. Now, that sense of offence may be puerile, it may be unjustified. But it may also be a valid expression of a strongly held set of values.

    In such a situation, in my humble opinion, that person is entitled to the opinion. But, of course, the supporters of “cultural relativism” won’t permit that liberty either.

  51. Michel Lasouris

    Is “Balmain basket weaving poof” acceptable?

  52. JakartaJaap

    Bob Blair, a particularly privileged ‘hairy ape’ whose merest gesture can cause aforesaid 13 yo to be hauled off by the rozzers and grilled without any version of parent or guardian in attendance. Being of Franco-Batavian background myself, I am often cruelly abused as an Anglo but I do not possess the privilege of Our Adam to direct the wallopers to interrogate my racist abusers at my immediate behest.

  53. Rabz

    The right to call someone a Balmain basket weaver is not curtailed by section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act. Balmain residents are not defined as an ethnic group, at least not according to law.

    One of my best mates, a long time resident of Balmain back in the 80s and 90s used to state this truism (usually in the Sir William Wallace after a few sherberts) :

    “There’s no racism in Balmain, as there’s only one race.”

  54. DaveA

    ‘Discrimination’ derives from the common form ‘discriminate’ i.e. to draw distinction, to act on perceived difference.

    To start with it worked that way – discriminating for the wrong reasons e.g. in job candidate selection.

    Now with the RDA so-called discrimination can involve hurting the feelings of others with your words. It should have been called the Racial Offence Act, if that’s what they want.

    It’s all just make-it-up-as-they-go stuff.

  55. Luke

    That’s funny because when I complained to the Commission a few years back about being barred from a bar because I was Australian (it was foreigners only). The Commission came back with the excuse that there was no unlawful discrimination because the bar barred me based on my Australian citizenship and not on my Australian nationality. It admitted that there was already cased law citing that it was unlawful to discriminate based on nationality/national identity or origin.

    In case you haven’t already guessed. I’m a white male of European heritage.

  56. Blair

    Are people who wear prescription glasses members of a visually challenged race? F### ##g four eyes is a very common term of abuse.
    Are referees, umpires and linesmen members of a blind race?

  57. David

    Are referees, umpires and linesmen members of a blind race?

    No Blair. They must be insect larvae as I distinctly remember back when I was mildly interested in football they were called “White Maggots”

    :-)

  58. Yobbo

    This effectively makes it illegal to call Stuart Broad a “Pommie bastard” at the cricket.

  59. Stacy Anderson

    No amount of laws and policies legislated could eradicate racism. With the Racial Discrimination Act in place and the White Australia Policy being abolished around five decades ago, why then do we still have asians getting racially abused in buses and trains (some of these incidents caught on videos, you can watch them on Youtube, and they happened like only a few years ago). Why then do we still have the Cronulla riots, indian students being attacked, white people/anglo-australians being attacked by non-whites due to hate and racially motivated crimes (yes even white people fall victim to racism too and I know it is a BIG surprise to most of you out there).

    Australians should start living in the real world and stop pretending that racism won’t exist with or without anti-discriminatory laws in place.

    I really want to ask this to my fellow Australians.

    When will we move forward together as a nation, and stop being obsessed with these thoughts of race, racism and racial discrimination.

    For every perceived discrimination you think you have gone through, there are definitely others who have gone through much worse. Other countries have it much, much worse. Some people in other countries are robbed, killed, persecuted, beheaded because of racism and discrimination (just because they are of a different race or even religion/faith). And over here in Australia people go berserk over a racist remark.

  60. Token

    Are people who wear prescription glasses members of a visually challenged race? F### ##g four eyes is a very common term of abuse.

    According to the laws which were created to chase down people like those inciting hate & anti-semitism via the web (using the words of Boob Carr), but are actually are used to chase down the political enermies of the hard left, YES.

  61. David

    Not so Yobbo. The last paragraph of Magna Carta quite clearly states – “From this day forwards until the end of time all English cricketers shall be deemed illegitimate and no subsequent ordnance may change this status”. Well it does on my copy anyway.
    :-)

  62. nic

    In HK, there is a lot of angst between locals and Mainland Chinese to the extent that there was a call to amend the Racial Discrimination Ordinance as a means of stopping ‘discrimination’. Like the rest of the world’s fascination with ‘racism’, the penny hasn’t dropped is that both parties are largely the same race, Han Chinese.

  63. Token

    In case you haven’t already guessed. I’m a white male of European heritage.

    If you are male, Tracey Spicer states that there is too much probabilty you are a a P3do due to your gender & background, but that’s ok for FauxFacts publications.

  64. 2dogs

    Taxation runs contrary to the cultural practices of my ethnic group.

    I am sure that, at least among the regular Cats here, that this sentiment is one that they would “recognise as cultural identity worthy of our respect and endorsement”.

    Am I entitled to an exemption?

  65. David

    Taxation runs contrary to the cultural practices of my ethnic group.
    Am I entitled to an exemption?

    Nup Two Dogs. probably crucifixion at the hands of Pontius Hockey.

    :-)

    PS. Why they call you Two Dogs f………? [old joke punch line as I recall it]

  66. Alfonso

    Steyn :

    “In Australia, they’re trying to get rid of Section 18c, which is (roughly) the equivalent of Canada’s late and unlamented Section 13 thought-crime law, which was finally repealed last year. The Aussie campaign is not going well. “There is a danger that the Coalition resolve to repeal Section 18C will weaken further,” warns The Independent Australian, saying there’s an “urgent need to submit your views on 18C amendments by April 30th” – which is round about right now in Oz time.

    What’s going on? Well, in the western world today, there are far more lobby groups for censorship – under polite euphemisms such as “diversity”, “human rights”, “hate speech” – than there are for freedom of expression. If you attempt to roll back a law like Section 18c, you’ll be opposed by the aboriginal lobby, the Muslim lobby, the Jewish lobby, the LGBT lobby, the higher-education lobby…. And you’ll be supported by …hardly anyone, save for me and Andrew Bolt and the usual suspects.”

  67. Rich

    I’m wondering – Is Whiteoak the only white English person to have ever been defended by a race law?

  68. jupes

    Are referees, umpires and linesmen members of a blind race?

    The umpires at the Carlton – West Coast game certainly are.

    Bastards.

  69. Big Jim

    I think the retreat into lawyerly obfuscation is great fun: “Hey, didn’t you just say ‘gender’ was a social construct, so how come you start every sentence with ‘as a woman…’ Why not just reconstruct yourself as a man if you think you’re getting shafted? And hey, don’t call me a ‘man’, bro; I just reconstructed to a lesbian, right there, thirty seconds ago, so fuck you.”

    But it is a defeatist position, and thoroughly nihilistic. Race exists. It’s important to all kinds of people. To non-WASPs it tends to be source of pride. For WASPs, race is something to be denied and offered around to the others like the last scone at a tea party. This asymmetry will never result in any stable structure, which is why our multi-culti world is held together with band-aid bullshit administered by nannies backed up by robo-cops.

  70. Robert Blair

    David,

    no subsequent ordnance may change this status

    Are you sure? Not even a couple HE rounds?

    At the end of the day I am sure a BLU-82 (that’s the Daisy Cutter, not the Bunker Buster 109) will serve the purpose.

  71. David

    G’day Rob,

    Yup they’d do the trick.

    Bugger it my uncoordinated fingers should have typed “ordinance” as in law not “ordnance” as in bang bang thingies.

    Should have proof read it probably and not rushed off to top up the glass.

  72. cohenite
    #1284853, posted on April 29, 2014 at 12:46 pm
    So Islam is a race.

    What sort of race? A race to the death?

    Actually, in some ways it is a race. It is essentially an Arab religion, which dictates followers (willingly or otherwise) to follow Arab cultural practices. Come to think of it, why don’t the Yanks remind the Persians at every opportunity about their Arab religion?

  73. WhaleHunt Fun

    Just get the Qld Premier to declare the UN a criminal gang (a self-evident truth) and we can immediately try and execute punish all their members and anyone who associates with them.
    This bikie legislation is a great tool for clearing out the scum.
    We can erase Rudd the moment he sets foot in the UN.

  74. Squirrel

    “The ruling creates problems, not least for the anti-discrimination industry itself….”

    Surely the problem is that we have an anti-discrimination industry, which, amongst other things, provides – at the public expense – comfortable employment, with comfortable remuneration, in comfortable offices, in comfortable (desirable) locations for people to exercise their lofty intellects on esoteric philosophising and pontificating which has such a stunningly marginal effect on the lives of the great majority of Australians.

  75. JohnA

    Would objecting to such a cultural practice amount to an expression of ‘cultural racism’?

    Ahem, would affirming, promoting or protecting such a cultural practice amount to the same expression of ‘cultural racism’?

    And there is our problem…

  76. Crossie

    Soutphommasane’s helpful exploration of these difficult issues was cut short by his appointment to the Human Rights Commission. He has now become an intransigent defender of flawed legislation that attempts to put legal boundaries around a poorly-defined form of intolerance.

    Do they take religious vows when they assume these positions? Are they also expected to recant everything they said before taking the vows?

  77. Personally speaking, I abhor real racism including cultural supremacist views, but, I would never say it is wrong for someone to have those views or it is wrong to be a racist, simply, it is the personal prerogative of the individual to feel, think, believe and say whatever they want.

    Racism is in reality an emotive response to someone’s perception, to say someone can’t be a racist is really telling them what they can and can’t feel or think, and that is the height or tyranny, in my opinion.

  78. Natural Instinct

    Bindi Cole writes in the Guardian

    We only have one very short life. Do we really want to spend our time hardening our hearts and hating on each other? Is this the legacy we want to leave the next generations? Will we be grateful at the end of our lives that we spent our time spewing forth so much hate and hurt? Is all of this motivated by fear? Pride? These are very harmful and damaging things. However, to live a life where loving others is a priority, whether they measure up or not, and where sacrifice is a goal and compassion a valued quality, is the kind of life that leaves a heartfelt and genuinely important legacy.

    Noble sentiments – for a religion, or faith.
    But would civilisation have advanced if everybody just agreed with everybody else and participated in group hugs when someone was upset?

  79. Gab

    According to Bindi Cole, “suicide is common” but Section 18C would prevent this.

  80. A confession: In the 1996 Grand Final I referred to Mickey Martyn as an “ape” in the hearing of other people. I said this because the North Melbourne full back, a very large and muscly man, successfully shut down Tony Lockett, thus helping win the flag for North. Which greatly displeased me at the time. When Martyn was later drafted to Carlton the coach said it was because he wanted a “gorilla” at full back. (Both I and the Carlton coach were over the age of thirteen at the time of our offenses, so youth can be no excuse for us.)

    Amazingly, Mick Martyn has not been made Australian of the Year as a result of these taunts, may not be a multi-millionaire…and may even have been forced to take a real job post-footy.

    Clearly, something has to be done about this level of bigotry.

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