Day 1 of a broken promise: ‘There will be no new taxes under a government I lead’*

Far from being a no surprises government, the Abbott government last night unleashed a bomb-shell.

TAXPAYERS will be slugged with a debt levy taking an extra $800 a year from someone earning $80,000.

One in five people in NSW earn $78,000 or more a year.

And Joe Hockey’s “sharing the pain’’ deficit levy will be tiered so that higher income earners will pay significantly more than other taxpayers.

The new tax to be imposed in the Treasurer’s first Budget on May 13, will be a levy on taxable income — similar to the Medicare surcharge.

It will only apply to workers on incomes of $80,000 and above and the rates will increase in line with tax brackets.

Taxpayers in the 37c tax bracket — on incomes of $80,000 to $180,000 — are likely to pay an extra 1 per cent.

Those earning above $180,000 are likely to pay an extra 2 per cent.

Like the Gillard government’s flood levy, the debt tax will also be temporary, applying only while the budget is in deficit. Under the new levy someone earning $150,000 will pay an extra $1500 a year.

A worker on $200,000 will be slugged an extra $4000 a year, while a taxpayer earning $400,000 will pay $8000 in extra tax.

* To be fair – Abbott didn’t quite say “There will be no new taxes under a government I lead” and there isn’t a great youtube grab like there is for Julia Gillard. This is what he did say:

Whether it’s a stealth tax (like) the emissions trading scheme, whether it’s an upfront and straight forward tax like a carbon tax, there will not be any new taxes as part of the Coalition’s policies.

I suspect in the coming days appropriate clips of Abbott’s no new taxes promise will become available.

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492 Responses to Day 1 of a broken promise: ‘There will be no new taxes under a government I lead’*

  1. Fleeced

    Nobody reads comment 250…

    If, rather than the current PPL, they simply returned the prior two years of tax revenue from a mother — how would people here respond to that?

    I actually suggested this as a more palatable way to sell it… I hate the PPL, but if it’s tied into actual taxes paid, you can at least argue it’s really just a rebate.

    It seems they’re going to stick with PPL, but instead, impose all these conditions about returning to work afterward. A paperwork nightmare. Tax rebate is more sensible, easier to administer, and sticks closer to fundamental principles of low tax/spend.

    BUT, if he’s sticking with it the same time as introducing a debt tax, then he’s a fucking idiot.

  2. Sean

    Income taxes began as a temporary levy to help the war effort.

  3. Mindfree

    was it really one statement on SBS the night before the election that promised no cuts to a string of bodies including ABC and the SBS? that was f***ing stupid. Did he make these claims elsewhere? seems to be that SBS statement is getting all the airplay. A shocking mistake … really who watches SBS news anyway?

    Problem is Peter, Bolt egged it up on his Sunday morning show by showing the SBS footage

  4. harrys on the boat

    People on a centre right/libertarian blog are saying this levy/tax is a good thing.

    Society as we know it, is fucked.

  5. harrys on the boat

    Everyone needs to read Mr Rustys comment at around 11am for an appropriate response.

  6. Motelier

    Harry

    No way. I have not said that at all.

    Links please

    This is the worst example of though bubble politics and then picking the low hanging fruit.

  7. Rabz

    ”The National Green Laboral Pardee”

    :(

  8. harrys on the boat

    FFS Ill give you an easy way to clear the debt; scrap every fucking labor policy for the last 6 years!

  9. calli

    FFS Ill give you an easy way to clear the debt; scrap every fucking labor policy for the last 6 years!

    Simples, Harry. I hope the Liberal minions are reading this.

  10. Baldrick

    Tony Abbott – small ‘L’ liberal, big ‘L’ Levy lover.

  11. Alfonso

    calli….be assured the Liberal gen X staffers are trying to comprehend.
    The Cat is go to for Libert- Right opinion…..Tone gets a summary……

    Think of Turnbull rolled as leader Gens.

  12. Token

    Step up LDP, we need a UKIP right now.

  13. candy

    FFS Ill give you an easy way to clear the debt; scrap every fucking labor policy for the last 6 years!

    All blocked in the Senate. How do they do that when everything is blocked?

  14. Anyone who is telling the government this is saleable has spent too long in the media-political bubble. This thing is poison. Here are four reasons why.

    1. its a new tax;
    2. it’s a broken election promise;
    3. it is Swan-style class rhetoric, against the rich;
    4. It’s not actually a debt levy, it’s a PPL levy.

    They learned nothing from watching the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd fiasco. When Gillard brought in a new tax (breaking an election promise) the pundits and advisors all reassured each other that it wasn’t that big a deal, politicians break promises all the time, blah blah blah. Those on the outside saw how toxic it was long before the political class.

    This is completely morally equivalent to the carbon tax.

  15. Grigory M

    Tony Abbott – small ‘L’ liberal, big ‘L’ Levy lover.

    One term wonder?

  16. Simples, Harry. I hope the Liberal minions are reading this.

    They won’t get it until Abbott suddenly, inexplicably, is as hated as Gillard was.
    Then they’ll get it.
    It will be too late.

  17. calli

    From ‘scrap’ to ‘reduce funding’. Starve the beast.

  18. Alfonso

    “It’s not actually a debt levy, it’s a PPL levy.’

    Bingo.

  19. jupes

    … we need a UKIP right now.

    Spot on. But any truly conservative party will do.

  20. tomix

    852,000 and rising on the DSP at $950 per/ftnt. plus subsidised healthcare, power bills and more.

    Has Australia been involved in a World War for the last 30 years that the MSM forgot to mention?

  21. Tom

    The NDIS is an unfunded thought bubble. Axe it. Gonski is an unfunded thought bubble. Axe it. NBN is a thought bubble that will be obsolete before it is finished. Axe it. RET is a scam. Axe it. PPL is a scam. Axe it. ABC/SBS are luxuries designed for a bygone age. Axe them.

    Make hard decisions. They require courage. Credlin thinks she can duck them.

    Abbott thinks he has a mandate to expand government by 80% over the last business-as-usual Costello budget in 2006. NO, YOU FUCKING SOCIALIST CLOWN, YOU DO NOT.

  22. Carpe Jugulum

    This, IMHO, gives the LDP a chance to properly market themselves when the new Senate sits.

    Sell the message of taxing the punters less, sell the message of reducing the red and green tape that hinders employers, sell the message that welfare should be a hand up & not a hand out for life.

    Most importantly don’t go using batshit silly analogies like compulsory bike helmets, the immediate counter argument will always be ‘think of the children’.

    As for the TA ‘levy’ a dumb idea gillardian in its stupidity, the average punter will not tolerate this and will punish any political party at the ballot box.

  23. H B Bear

    When Gillard brought in a new tax (breaking an election promise) the pundits and advisors all reassured each other that it wasn’t that big a deal, politicians break promises all the time, blah blah blah. Those on the outside saw how toxic it was long before the political class.

    Gillard was un-electable from that point on. It crippled her – and by definition her government, all off the back of a 5 second sound bite. Rudd was always a second order opportunist.

  24. Token

    3. it is Swan-style class rhetoric, against the rich;

    So Abbott seems to forget how the base moved quickly when Turnbull tried to turn the LNP into the ALP?

    Pity, he was looking to be a good prime miniser.

  25. will

    They won’t get it until Abbott suddenly, inexplicably, is as hated as Gillard was.
    Then they’ll get it.
    It will be too late.

    Even if this is ‘kite flying’ it is totally stupid and toxic. It is now firmly fixed in the punters mind that LNP broke an election promise and imposed a new tax, even if they didn’t. Blindly and idiotically stupid.

  26. Fleeced

    People on a centre right/libertarian blog are saying this levy/tax is a good thing

    Most aren’t… I’m certainly not. Sadly, there are quite a few who will simply support the Libs no matter what they get up to.

    Though I have to say, the idea of a levy linked to previous year’s budget deficit might have some political utility (in theory, at least) in making future governments reluctant to run them (ie, future governments would incur a political cost for running a deficit). In practice though, it probably wouldn’t work out that way – and I certainly don ‘t support any new taxes.

    The budget isn’t out yet, but this “leak” is obviously deliberate. I hope that means enough noise is made to stop this crap from even surviving to budget night. Failing that, LDP better step up.

    The Libs really are useless. They’re not as incompetent as the ALP, but they are at least just as thick.

  27. This is not a kite they should be flying. This is a kite that should never have been built, much less taken to the park for a test run.

  28. Eyeguy

    GEEZ! I’ve been a fan of this site for ages, but FMD are you lot a bunch of fucking losers saying you’d be better off under the labor party,and….sob,sob,sob……Tony said no new taxes! well,guess what , we are fucked thanks to that lot of idiots,and all your libertarian crap simply will not cut it with middle Oz.
    You can dream of the sort of government you’d like, but once the truth of your REAL agenda got out( unlike the bloody greens) you’d never win a popular vote.
    GET REAL, any Liberal govt is way better than the rest.

  29. C.L.

    Vision of Abbott on Ten news run in conjunction with Gillard’s “no carbon tax under a government I lead” tape. If you’d told me a month ago they’d step on this rake – of all rakes – I wouldn’t have believed you.

  30. jupes

    This, IMHO, gives the LDP a chance to properly market themselves when the new Senate sits.

    No one will vote for the LDP while they advocate drugs.

    No one likes them.

  31. Tom

    By the way, there is no such thing as a temporary tax. That would be a bigger lie than the Lying Slapper’s whopper.

  32. Combine_Dave

    The promise was to address the deficit as a priority but without cuts to health, education, pensions, etc etc

    Do debt problems really go away when you change nothing but increase taxes?

    Hopefully they will sort their shit out before the budget is officially out. It would be embarrasing for the libs to not only copy labor’s big spending/taxing ways but also their revolving door attitude to the leadership (the NSW libs have certainly done so).

  33. C.L.

    well,guess what , we are fucked thanks to that lot of idiots

    This was fiscal fact during the election campaign. It isn’t news. So why did Abbott set the trap for himself?

  34. jupes

    Vision of Abbott on Ten news run in conjunction with Gillard’s “no carbon tax under a government I lead” tape.

    Gold.

    Well done Channel 10 for wielding the cluebat. Let’s just hope it hits him hard enough for the light to turn on.

  35. GEEZ! I’ve been a fan of this site for ages, but FMD are you lot a bunch of fucking losers saying you’d be better off under the labor party,and….sob,sob,sob……Tony said no new taxes! well,guess what , we are fucked thanks to that lot of idiots,and all your libertarian crap simply will not cut it with middle Oz.

    There’s always a compelling reason for a new tax, isn’t there.
    For Gillard the compelling reason was climate change. For Abbott it is working mothers and disability insurance.

    I don’t want to pay $900 for Abbott’s PPL.

  36. Grigory M

    Even if this is ‘kite flying’ it is totally stupid and toxic. It is now firmly fixed in the punters mind that LNP broke an election promise and imposed a new tax, even if they didn’t. Blindly and idiotically stupid.

    Correct – whether or not it is actually implemented, this will haunt the Government for the rest of this term and into the next election. And Abbott has doubled down with his statements that pension rules will change in 3 years time – that issue will be front and centre for a very large voting bloc in the next election run-up. Together, these issues, which the Government itself has put before the voters, have the very real potential to end the Coalition’s time in government in 2016 or earlier.

  37. This was fiscal fact during the election campaign. It isn’t news. So why did Abbott set the trap for himself?

    Labor said during the campaign that Abbott’s policies had a massive funding hole. The coalition (and most coalition supporters) dismissed those criticisms, coming as they were from such fiscal deadbeats. But apparently …. it turns out that Labor’s attacks on this during the election campaign were right. Ouch.

  38. Andrew

    “It’s not actually a debt levy, it’s a PPL levy.’

    Bingo.

    There already is a PPL Levy, it is taxing the top companies on top of their company tax that they pay…

  39. Fleeced

    I’m going to start calling it the “Tony Tax” and hope it catches on…

  40. Carpe Jugulum

    No one will vote for the LDP while they advocate drugs

    Jupes, people can do funny things sometimes. I recall when drug liberalisation was a Greens policy. Quite frankly if loons like the greens can pull this off then anyone can.

  41. entropy

    The easiest programs to cut are the programs yet to be implemented, as Costello once said.

    Direct action, PPL, most of the NBN, NDIS in current form. Billions in ten seconds thought.

    I wonder if that stupid treasury has modelled the loss of economic growth caused by a deficit tax. Probably not, they probably think its their money anyway.

  42. Hendrix

    What’s the debt levy expected to raise versus the cost of PPL and Direct Action?

  43. Combine_Dave

    “It’s not actually a debt levy, it’s a PPL levy.’

    Bingo

    No, sadly not. There will also be a levy on business to fund the PPL. That was always a separate tax proposal.

    This debt levy is basically a way to pay for all those ALP promises no one (outside some loud vested interests) gave a fuck about. – NDIS, Gonski, NBN, ABC/SBS funding increases etc…that the LNP seems intent on implementing.

  44. Tom

    Correct – whether or not it is actually implemented, this will haunt the Government for the rest of this term and into the next election. And Abbott has doubled down with his statements that pension rules will change in 3 years time – that issue will be front and centre for a very large voting bloc in the next election run-up. Together, these issues, which the Government itself has put before the voters, have the very real potential to end the Coalition’s time in government in 2016 or earlier.

    Spot on.

    Peta Credlin and Brian Loughnane have been exposed as incompetent amateurs.

  45. No, sadly not. There will also be a levy on business to fund the PPL. That was always a separate tax proposal.

    Fine. It’s a direct action levy.
    Money is fungible. Calling it a ‘debt levy’ is just mendacious horseshit, when discretionary spending is occurring.

  46. Peter from SA

    you do wonder. In the absence of all of these “debt levy” kites etc the budget story would have been Abbott666 CUTS CUTS CUTS.
    now will it be thank goodness it is just cuts?
    I think as somebody above said – Shelley? – wait until we know what is actually going on before passing judgement.

  47. C.L.

    No one will vote for the LDP while they advocate drugs

    I’ve never seen anyone here “advocate” drugs.

    I’ve seen many advocate an end to the failed “war on drugs” – which only exists anyway to employ thousands of tax-eating police nazis, lawyers, parole officials and prison guards.

  48. I think as somebody above said – Shelley? – wait until we know what is actually going on before passing judgement.

    we know what’s going on.
    They’re proposing a new tax.
    If they don’t mean it and are lying just to distract from other issues, then they are playing a similarly dangerous game.

    They think all this kite flying is a good way to do politics; after all they’re doing the same thing with 18c. It’s not a good strategy. It’s a stupid strategy.

  49. entropy

    Good theory, Peter from SA, but you give them too much credit. They just are that smart.

  50. Combine_Dave

    There’s always a compelling reason for a new tax, isn’t there.
    For Gillard the compelling reason was climate change. For Abbott it is working mothers and disability insurance.

    I don’t want to pay $900 for Abbott’s PPL.

    Don’t worry, you won’t be. You’ll be paying $900 for Gonski, NBN lite and NDIS. The big polluters companies will be paying the PPL levy and either passing the costs onto you or sacking you or someone like you, to mitigate the cost of that new tax their bottom line.

  51. Alfonso

    “No one will vote for the LDP while they advocate …..” or go quiet on …concealed carry.
    Got to drop the nutter stuff Dave.

  52. I’ve never seen anyone here “advocate” drugs.

    I’ve seen many advocate an end to the failed “war on drugs” – which only exists anyway to employ thousands of tax-eating police nazis, lawyers, parole officials and prison guards.

    well said.
    The war on drugs is illogical, inconsistent, and ineffective.

  53. entropy

    No, sadly not. There will also be a levy on business to fund the PPL. That was always a separate tax proposal.

    Fine. It’s a direct action levy.
    Money is fungible. Calling it a ‘debt levy’ is just mendacious horseshit, when discretionary spending is occurring.

    I believe that the original statement was meant in the ‘political message’ sense.

  54. Don’t worry, you won’t be. You’ll be paying $900 for Gonski, NBN lite and NDIS. The big polluters companies will be paying the PPL levy and either passing the costs onto you or sacking you or someone like you, to mitigate the cost of that new tax their bottom line.

    here’s the thing about the PPL levy.
    It’s just another tax too!
    it’s not like they get that money and put it in a special bank account, and then tiptoe off to that bank account whenever a woman gets pregnant.

    It’s all consolidated revenue! There is no such thing as an earmarked tax.

  55. Fleeced

    I think as somebody above said – Shelley? – wait until we know what is actually going on before passing judgement.

    Yeah, I’m certainly hoping that’s the case… but if they are seriously proposing it, making a noise now might make them reconsider. If they’re really planning on it, and we don’t oppose it loudly enough, they might decide to implement it after all.

    We have to be clear with them.

    They’re idiots either way, though. Even if it doesn’t go ahead, they’ve already lost a lot of trust. As Aussiepundit says, this kite-flying bullshit is political foolishness – and certainly not a strategy you need to fall back on in the first year of a first term of government! That just makes it even more pathetic!

  56. Combine_Dave

    Fine. It’s a direct action levy.
    Money is fungible. Calling it a ‘debt levy’ is just mendacious horseshit, when discretionary spending is occurring

    True. But what’s the point in winning office if you can’t find plum jobs for all your backers managing all this new spending?

    /professional polly

  57. jumpnmcar

    The LDP are terrific, in both meanings of the word.
    But they suck arse as branding and marketing.

  58. jupes

    I’ve never seen anyone here “advocate” drugs.

    LOL.

    David L wrote a whole thread on the topic. You must have missed it.

  59. David L wrote a whole thread on the topic. You must have missed it.

    He was advocating that pot be legalised. In other words, ending a major plank of the war on drugs.
    Just as now, back in prohibition times there were people who thought alcohol should be kept illegal. The principle is exactly the same.

  60. I’ve never seen anyone here “advocate” drugs.

    Rofl, this place turns into Larvatus Prodeo whenever a “legalise/liberalise drugs?” thread crops up.

  61. Gab

    He was advocating that pot be legalised. In other words, ending a major plank of the war on drugs. Just as now, back in prohibition times there were people who thought alcohol should be kept illegal. The principle is exactly the same.

    True however some people are confused and think the only thing stopping more people from smoking pot is the law and that if pot was legalized EVERYBODY would be buying it.

  62. blogstrop

    All you “one term wonder” cheerers deserve to get exactly what you got for the last six years and what you’re getting now.

  63. Gab

    Even if this is ‘kite flying’ it is totally stupid and toxic. It is now firmly fixed in the punters mind that LNP broke an election promise and imposed a new tax, even if they didn’t. Blindly and idiotically stupid.

    Absolutely. You make a good point.

  64. All you “one term wonder” cheerers deserve to get exactly what you got for the last six years and what you’re getting now.

    Gillard brands her new tax as a ‘carbon tax’ thus appealing to the left and pissing off the right.
    Abbott brands his new tax as a ‘debt levy’ thus appealing to the right and pissing off the left.
    The respective names of these taxes are nothing but word games.

  65. calli

    All you “one term wonder” cheerers

    It’s disappointment and frustration for the most part, Bloggy. I don’t think anyone here wants RGR MkII.

  66. Bear Necessities

    Hockey has been silent about the levy’s being floated. Maybe he is sick of Abbott’s brainstorms and leaked it so he had to defend it and look like an idiot.

  67. Grigory M

    David L wrote a whole thread on the topic. You must have missed it.

    He was advocating that pot be legalised.

    Sure, Jupes is correct – I commented on that thread that David L was a fuckwit, thanked the donkeys who voted for him and hoped that a DD would correct their error. But that was dealt with on that thread and has nothing to do with what is under discussion now. So, let’s not be sidetracked.

  68. blogstrop

    Unless the Senate voting system is reformed this country is F*cked.

  69. Carpe Jugulum

    Grigory – yes you have some valid points, what kicked this off was my comment to Jupes that the LDP having a drug policy similar to what the greens had was not necessarily electoral poison.

    The merits of that policy are irrelivant to the original points.

    As to wether i agree with everything the LDP proposes, not really, but they reflect my worldview better than other political parties.

  70. jupes

    Unless the Senate voting system is reformed this country is F*cked.

    More serious than the minor party fiasco is the Tasmanian gerrymander.

  71. and the South Australian gerrymander.

  72. C.L.

    Rofl, this place turns into Larvatus Prodeo whenever a “legalise/liberalise drugs?” thread crops up.

    You just don’t get it, do you?

    Advocating legalisation is not “advocating drugs.”

  73. All you “one term wonder” cheerers

    If he introduces this new tax, he’ll be gone in 1 term. It will be a replay of Gillard. She thought she could get away with it too.

  74. JC

    Rofl, this place turns into Larvatus Prodeo whenever a “legalise/liberalise drugs?” thread crops up.

    You hypocritical idiot stevie. You own a pub serving alcohol and you’re against drugs. Fess up, what you’re really against is the competition.

  75. Dan

    GET REAL, any Liberal govt is way better than the rest.

    No as I keep saying, for the four of us in the coffee room here we will pay $160,000 between us over the next four years. This didnt happen under Wayne Swan. So we are never voting Liberal again.

  76. Alfonso

    For the youngsters….legalising pot won’t help if you have life ambitions in areas other than mundane desk work, ie academia, financial institutions.
    As of decades ago, employers of candidates with an operational real world future have been taking fat biopsies for non water soluble THC.
    You had a recreational teenage pot habit?
    You want, after changing your life and thousands of hours of experience and licence quals, to be trainee intake for Cathay?
    Forget it. They don’t give a rat’s arse how legal it was or is.

  77. Eddystone

    I have sent Mr Rusty’s magnificent rant from this morning to my local MHR.

  78. JC

    Dan, don’t vote libs by all means, but for lords sake don’t vote Liars. Spoil the ballot if you must.

  79. candy

    Advocating legalisation is not “advocating drugs.”

    It is to mainstream Australia, I think. That and the no helmets policy makes them quite fringe party stuff.

  80. C.L.

    It is to mainstream Australia, I think.

    Mainstream Australia loves drugs.

    Helmets are known to have killed cycling. Studies show this.

    So da people didn’t want that either.

  81. Sean

    “It’s just shock,” the MP said. “There was no communication from the leader’s office. We’re all just scratching our heads. It’s the biggest f—-up we’ve had in a long time.”

    “I can’t say anything on the record because it’s just too stupid,” he said. “If it’s wrong, then it’s bulls–t, because why would you scare the electorate? And if it’s right, then it’s even worse because we said before the election there’d be no new taxes.”

    They aren’t all so stupid.

  82. candy

    If he introduces this new tax, he’ll be gone in 1 term. It will be a replay of Gillard. She thought she could get away with it too.

    Hard to know. About 75% of people earn under $80,000, and many on minimum wage with basic skills can only ever dream of earning $80,000. Still they would vote Labor under any circumstances, so all in all it’s a courageous policy.

  83. JC

    Candy:

    Stop annoying the regulars here. Overall you’re a good gal, but sometimes you really need to stay off the keyboard and let the menfolk do all the talking and discussing.

  84. Andrew

    This is completely morally equivalent to the carbon tax.

    Bullshit – the WBCT was a fraction of the size of this. $550 p.a. vs a minimum $3600 p.a. for someone on the $180k where the 2% cuts in. It’s 6 1/2 Gillard Taxes.

  85. Andrew

    If he introduces this new tax, he’ll be gone in 1 term month.

  86. Sean

    There is no law requiring people to wear bike helmets in the NT for the record. The sky hasn’t fallen in here yet.

    The even want people to ride on the paths and not in bike lanes. Do gooders must be dying to put and end to it.

  87. C.L.

    … sometimes you really need to … let the menfolk do all the talking and discussing.

    This is also how countries should be run.

    The alternative:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VJVw32EkIM

  88. Combine_Dave

    All you “one term wonder” cheerers deserve to get exactly what you got for the last six years and what you’re getting now.

    Considering I’ve never voted for KRudders nor the Red Dalek (inspite of news corps initial uncritical adulation) that’s most unfair.

    However I did mistakenly vote for the LNP in order to receive an LNP government who would, as they promised at the time, not raise new taxes, cut wasteful spending and end the age of entitlement.

    Unless you meant I deserve to be duped as I wanted so much to believe their promises, having been led to believe that Mr Abbott was a man of his word.. than yes maybe I’ve got what I’ve deserved.

    If they don’t prove me wrong, I’ll have no choice but to pull the lever at the next election and let the ALPtards get back in (by throwing my vote away to the PUP). I suspect many others will be similarly motivated.

  89. Ripper

    I could wear this if:
    Greenpeace’s , WWF’s , religious bodies and other NGO’s tax exempt status was revoked.
    ABC & SBS merged and budget halved.
    All Carbon taxes , RET’s, ETS’s all abolished.
    Productivity Commission inquiry into how to overcome “Parkinson’s Law

    Otherwise they can forget it.

  90. jumpnmcar

    Advocating legalisation is not “advocating drugs.”

    Spot on.

  91. JC

    Andrew

    It’s the perception and it digs far deeper making it the equivalent. Here’s why…

    Abbott gave her hell about the lie and put himself publicly as a person who wouldn’t lie to the electorate. And at the first opportunity what does he do? This is actually worse than the Slapper’s lie because there’s hypocrisy thrown in.

    Having said that, it’s a great teaching moment to the electorate as they will learn that higher spending equals higher taxes and that’s because the Libs are too gutless to cut spending.

  92. jupes

    That and the no helmets gay marriage policy makes them quite fringe party stuff.

    FTFY candy.

    Nobody likes being forced to wear helmets.

  93. Mr Rusty #1284759, posted on April 29, 2014 at 11:24 am

    You, Sir, are a Legend.

  94. JC

    Shut up, JC.

    Truly, I wish I could at times, Gab.

  95. Shelley

    Seriously, why doesn’t everyone turn it back a notch or two? Nothing has been announced or (as far as I know) even hinted at by Hockey or Abbott or the Libs that says there will be a ‘deficit levy’ – aren’t we jumping at shadows here?

  96. Combine_Dave

    and many on minimum wage with basic skills can only ever dream of earning $80,000. Still they would vote Labor under any circumstances, so all in all it’s a courageous policy

    So if you reread what you’ve just wrote…

    In pandering to the people who would never vote liberal, they’ve instituted a tax on the mugs who vote liberal…

    What then will happen to their primary vote next election if this ‘vote liberal tax’ is still in place? Keeping in kind that taxes can often act as a disincentive for certain activities (in this case the activity of voting liberal).

  97. .

    jupes
    #1285271, posted on April 29, 2014 at 7:15 pm
    This, IMHO, gives the LDP a chance to properly market themselves when the new Senate sits.

    No one will vote for the LDP while they advocate drugs.

    No one likes them.

    This is incorrect on both counts.

  98. Carpe Jugulum

    I’ll have no choice but to pull the lever at the next election and let the ALPtards get back in (by throwing my vote away to the PUP). I suspect many others will be similarly motivated.

    Unfortunate but true for a lot of punters, how soon people forgets what a pack of spivs & corruptocrats the alpfilth are.

    No, i am not questioning your intentions C-D, just the perception of the average voter.

  99. C.L.

    Spot on.

    Then why your earlier “LOL”, Jupes?

  100. Rich

    I realise this is probably a stupid question but I can’t find an answer anywhere – everyone keeps saying someone on 80k will pay $800 but anyone below that won’t pay a cent

    Wouldn’t that mean that someone on 79,999 would earn more than someone on 80k? Surely it should be an extra 1% on every dollar over 80, you know, like how most income taxes work

    I wouldn’t object to massive deficit taxes built into our system if it would prevent parties being able to be elected on the basis of bribing people with money we don’t have – it appears most people are now too stupid or self interested to understand fundamental cash management

  101. .

    Roger – you don’t get to tell me what adds value to this site. Since you consider civil liberties laughable, you can fuck right off out of this debate, because all of the silly bullshit you believe in, like funding public schools to preach about Jesus and locking up dope smokers REQUIRES FUNDING FROM TAXPAYERS.

    You are basically an emasculated doctors husband.

    Now fuck off.

  102. candy

    Nobody likes being forced to wear helmets.

    Nah, it just sounds like they’re advocating parents let their kids go around riding without helmets, have an accident and get brain damage.

  103. tomix

    The Carbon tax turns into the ETS. The cost of that could be anything. Anyway, the usual suspects who have been screaming for years that Abbott’s no good are sounding like Nostradamus now.

  104. .

    Anyone who lives within the protection of our society has agreed to our society operating on the basis that politicians are elected by a majority to implement various rules and regulations.

    I didn’t fucking agree to any of this, I legally deprive the beast of finances where possible.

    I also note there was some absolutely bloody absurd fucking nonsense about property rights being the creation of the state. This is silly, laughable nonsense. Here’s a tip – Google scholar search for Umbeck, J 1977 etc…

  105. Andrew

    They aren’t all so stupid.

    Niki Savva has said you won’t find one backbencher supporting PPL….most of them aren’t, well at least a lot aren’t.

  106. .

    Well candy the government has run out of other people’s money, we cannot maintain a bluewater defence fleet and there are many unsolved violent crimes – but you want that nice Mr Abbott to crush the fiscally responsible LDP and enforce kids to wear helmets (never mind spinal injuries [which can be as bad as head injuries] etc) and give a pass to uninformed morons who find it utterly important to harrass smokers and lock up potheads…

    FFS. Shut up.

  107. Gab

    Nah, it just sounds like they’re advocating parents let their kids go around riding without helmets, have an accident and get brain damage.

    And that’s the nanny government mentality right there. There’s nothing wrong with educating adults and kids about the dangers, so-called, but it is a step too far to legislate what you can or cannot wear on your head when riding a bicycle. There never was an epidemic of brain damaged bicycle riders as the AMA would have us believe.

  108. JC

    Seriously, why doesn’t everyone turn it back a notch or two? Nothing has been announced or (as far as I know) even hinted at by Hockey or Abbott or the Libs that says there will be a ‘deficit levy’ – aren’t we jumping at shadows here?

    Yes they have. Abbott more or less alluded to it and stapled stomach keeps saying that we’re all going to cop it in the nuts. People above 80K are nearly all net contributors to the tax pool, so the only way they can contribute or rather, shaken down is through a tax hike.

  109. candy

    What then will happen to their primary vote next election if this ‘vote liberal tax’ is still in place?

    Won’t happen. The Senate is set to reject it and the repeal of the carbon and mining taxes, and anything else put forward. Where it goes from there is anyone’s guess.

  110. Unless the Senate voting system is reformed this country is F*cked.

    Unless your primary source of income is not the Government, you don’t vote in the Senate.

    One problem fixed.

    Make a city-state out of each capital city conurbation.

    The other real problem fixed.

    Tidy up the technical loose ends.

  111. dan

    Seriously, why doesn’t everyone turn it back a notch or two? Nothing has been announced or (as far as I know) even hinted at by Hockey or Abbott or the Libs that says there will be a ‘deficit levy’ – aren’t we jumping at shadows here?

    If the leader isn’t able to say:
    “Uh, obviously not, that would be sheer bloody insanity”
    then we have a very big problem whatever the policy really is.

  112. Grigory M

    Not sure how to tell you this C.L. – but here goes.

    Jupes said “LOL” – jump said “Spot on”.

    Your memory OK? ;)

  113. JC

    Nah, it just sounds like they’re advocating parents let their kids go around riding without helmets, have an accident and get brain damage.

    Okay, then limit the legislation requiring kids to helmet up only and not adults. I’m more of less fine with that.

  114. Shelley

    So where did Chris and Louise get their information from?

    CHRIS ULHMANN: A new tax to help balance the Abbott Government’s books, a so-called deficit levy, could be part of next month’s Federal budget.

    But as is the way with these things, the Government is neither confirming it or quashing it.

    LOUSIE YAXLEY: Chris, a new tax, or a deficit levy if you like, aimed at higher income earners is an option.

    The budget’s not locked away and the razor gang is still meeting, but Mr Abbott was given several chances to rule it out yesterday and he hasn’t done so, leaving it on the table when, before the election, he promised no new taxes.

    Is this where the ‘deficit levy’ story sprang from?

    and this

    The idea’s been leaked in the run-up to the Federal Budget to test the public’s response. – by whom?

    Perhaps Abbott/Hockey or Cormann will come out tomorrow and knock this on the head. If they had sense they would do. Why let the idea run if there was never/is no intention of bringing it in. It is all very odd.

  115. calli

    In pandering to the people who would never vote liberal, they’ve instituted a tax on the mugs who vote liberal…

    Worse, they’ve instituted a tax on my customers. And what I sell could be classed as discretionary spending and it’s going to sting me, even if I don’t have the ‘privilege’ of paying the tax.

  116. Nah, it just sounds like they’re advocating parents let their kids go around riding without helmets, have an accident and get brain damage.

    First thing Libertarians need to realise is that not everyone is smart enough to be a Libertarian.

    Of course, maintaining this style of policy does select for intelligence over time.

  117. Carpe Jugulum

    Nah, it just sounds like they’re advocating parents let their kids go around riding without helmets, have an accident and get brain damage.

    Candy – you’re missing the point he was making, (although i agree it was a lousy analogy), we as independant thinkers can decide if the risk in an activity has cosequences and manage that risk accordingly.

    Now where a measure has shown to have a benefit, (seat belts for example), i’ll accept that, but when it is nanny state shyte is when i have a difficulty.

  118. jupes

    Nah, it just sounds like they’re advocating parents let their kids go around riding without helmets, have an accident and get brain damage.

    Again, I’ll be your editor candy.

    My parents let me ride my bike(s) without a helmet. I had a few prangs as a kid and still have a scar on my knee but never got brain damage (not diagnosed anyway).

  119. JC

    Perhaps Abbott/Hockey or Cormann will come out tomorrow and knock this on the head. If they had sense they would do. Why let the idea run if there was never/is no intention of bringing it in. It is all very odd.

    It’s obvious. They’re open to it and trial ballooning anyway possible.

    And Gorman too is in on this. Et tu Brutus. He was my one great white hope other than Morrison.

  120. JC

    ….but never got brain damage (not diagnosed anyway).

    You wouldn’t know. Let us be the best judge of that.

  121. .

    It’s time for the Dot Point Plan.

    In addition to supporting the IPA and LDP as a rolled gold member:

    (With some plans still under wraps, certain items have been edited out)

    There should be a libertarian charity which supports people to minimise the intrusion of Government from their lives, with zero financial or in kind cost to the user. Examples may be services to allow people to minimise tax, create trusts to minimise tax and protect their assets, assistance in trivial cases of prosecution and to offer such assistance to the point where prosecution of such cases becomes so burdensome on the legal system such laws will be repealed. Other assistance may be involve issues such as information concerning importing to lower tax costs. Other projects would include legal defence of private property rights, free speech, a think tank with a academic journal and a magazine like journal, advocacy of the removal of the most inefficient and inequitable taxes and fines, the charity would encourage gun ownership, providing legal advice, training and measures to cut costs for individuals trying to acquire firearms, and also facilitate the ownership of many categories of firearm. The charity would endeavour to disseminate libertarian literature, such as Atlas Shrugged or Free to Choose. The charity would have discretionary power to financially support the LDP, Aust. Tea Party or specific political campaigns (i.e, “Put the Greens Last”). The charity would have general aims of supporting privatisation, agorism and private provision of public goods like security, investigation and arbitration services. The charity would also support private philanthropy, such as the Human Capital Project. The charity would run parallel programmes to the Gideon’s programme. A copy of Atlas Shrugged and a copy of Free to Choose (for example) would be distributed for free in hotel rooms, etc.

    Further aim of legal services: to retain constitutional rights, protect civil liberties gained since Federation, to regain common law rights grandfathered just before Federation, protect private property rights and to find legitimate legal grounds to curtail Government action and agenda to restrict overall Government spending to 15% of GDP.

    A previous summary of my idea:

    This is why libertarians, free marketers, lovers of liberty, assorted right minded right wingers and righteous conservatives, need to form our own version of civil disobedience.

    The key is legal tax resistance and minimisation. A second pillar is to encourage people not to take welfare, and institutions not to take taxpayer supported funding (like churches). A third is to educate the public through evangelism like putting a copy of Atlas Shrugged and Free to Choose in every hotel room and doctor’s surgery and tyre shop. A fourth is to change language – TAXPAYER’S MONEY – let there be no illusion for low information voters that THE GOVERNMENT has its own funds for disposal. A fifth pillar is to initiate legal defence and challenges to petty imposition of fines, regulation or against minor misdemeanors and rules shackling development of businesses or the family home etc.

  122. Andrew

    And Gorman too is in on this. Et tu Brutus. He was my one great white hope other than Morrison.

    I’m guessing Cormann was the cabinet MP that wanted to remain anonymous and made this comment:

    “It’s just shock,” the MP said. “There was no communication from the leader’s office. We’re all just scratching our heads. It’s the biggest f—-up we’ve had in a long time.”

    “I can’t say anything on the record because it’s just too stupid,” he said. “If it’s wrong, then it’s bulls–t, because why would you scare the electorate? And if it’s right, then it’s even worse because we said before the election there’d be no new taxes.”

  123. JC

    Andrew

    If it was Gorman then he could resign from the cabinet. If he doesn’t then he’s also painted with the decision.

  124. harrys on the boat

    Did I read above that clowns think that advocating the legalisation of drugs is the same as advocating taking drugs?

    This place has some fucking retards present.

    I advocate to keep alcohol legal so obviously that means I advocate everyone to down 2 vodka bottles a night.

    As I said, fucking retards.

  125. Bear Necessities

    On the governments expenditure review committee is:
    Abbott, Hockey, Truss, Dutton and Cormann.

    Now if they haven’t made a decision but Abbott is getting up a head of steam for the levy, then either Hockey, Truss, Dutton or Cormann have leaked.

  126. Andrew

    Andrew

    If it was Gorman then he could resign from the cabinet. If he doesn’t then he’s also painted with the decision.

    Meh, like I said earlier, you won’t find any MPs with any conviction supporting the PPL as a policy. They just wont comment on it publicly in most cases because they won’t get a promotion from Abbott/Credlin in the future.

  127. Combine_Dave

    No, i am not questioning your intentions C-D, just the perception of the average voter.

    Hmmm I am just angry. Those bastards know I will vote LNP anyway (or at least so long as the ALP is focused on ‘reform’ and not changing their shitty policies everyone hated).

  128. Shelley

    I am not going to comment further on the deficit levy – will just finish off by saying that I am pretty shocked that the idea has been floated at all, but will look at the Commission of Audit recommendations on Thursday to see what insight they gives and see what the budget brings in two weeks.

  129. H B Bear

    Abbott and Credlin’s Cabinet and party room consultation is looking every bit as adept as KRudd at his peak. Hopefully there will be a full scale party room outbreak to pull them both into line.

    This is a monumental stuff up.

  130. jumpnmcar

    Hahaha, this is too funny.
    Bedwetting over a possibility.
    Oh, is the rumour based on taxable or gross ?
    lol.

  131. .

    I’ll fucking LOL hard when Abbott gets rolled.

  132. Combine_Dave

    If he introduces this new tax, he’ll be gone in 1 term. It will be a replay of Gillard. She thought she could get away with it too.

    Hard to know. About 75% of people earn under $80,000, and many on minimum wage with basic skills can only ever dream of earning $80,000. Still they would vote Labor under any circumstances, so all in all it’s a courageous policy

    I can’t blame candy for attempting to defend Abbott.

    My wife is smitten with him too.

    I told her about the proposed levy and she told me to shut up as Abbott was doing a terrific job (or it could be she’s just a fan of his PPL).

  133. .

    Hard to know. About 75% of people earn under $80,000, and many on minimum wage with basic skills can only ever dream of earning $80,000. Still they would vote Labor under any circumstances, so all in all it’s a courageous policy

    Ergo they can just as easily cut taxes and spending and aim to pay down the debt within two terms of office.

  134. Oh come on

    Still they would vote Labor under any circumstances, so all in all it’s a courageous policy.

    It’s courageous in the sense that playing Russian Roulette is courageous. The people that aren’t affected by the tax but are uncommitted LNP voters will take home the same message – you can’t trust Abbott to deliver on his promises.

    And I do not accept the line that I wanted Abbott to break some promises and not others – he promised not to touch health, education, the ABC and pensions. Personally, I think it was foolhardy to make these promises – he would have won the election even if he added a few asterisks to them (ie. something like making them conditional on the state of the nation’s finances being as reported by Swan-dive). Unfortunately, he didn’t give any such caveats to himself. So once made, these promises need to be kept. A line must be drawn under the RGR years of deceit.

    As for introducing his DA and PPL schemes – well, he does need to fulfill his promise to the electorate and attempt to get these through parliament. However, if they get rejected in the Senate (and I suspect they almost certainly will), he can plausibly say he did everything he could short of a DD to get his policies enacted, but he doesn’t have a majority in the Senate. We don’t live in a dictatorship; our federal house of review has teeth and can’t be overruled by the PM. That gives him all the political cover he needs to quietly drop these two heinously expensive policy duds. This is not breaking a promise. He tried, he failed. It’s happened countless times before, and no one’s accused any previous government of breaking a promise because they haven’t been able to get something through a hostile Senate.

    He has a clear legislative exit which would basically allow him to drop DA and PPL whilst not betraying the trust of the electorate. He should take this exit as soon as possible and pour cold water on the rumours of this strategically catastrophic rich tax.

  135. Carpe Jugulum

    I’ll fucking LOL hard when Abbott gets rolled.

    Only if it’s someone like Morrison with a set of testicles.

    I’m dissapointed in TA because his rhetoric in opposition hasn’t even compared to his soft cockery in government.

  136. . #1285439, posted on April 29, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    This is why libertarians, free marketers, lovers of liberty, assorted right minded right wingers and righteous conservatives, need to form our own version of civil disobedience

    I like your thinking

  137. Rabz

    Peta Credlin and Brian Loughnane have been repeatedly exposed as incompetent amateurs.

    Fixed.

    If this is kite flying, it is still, as noted above, monumentally stupid.

    Let the furious backpedalling begin.

  138. Carpe Jugulum

    can’t blame candy for attempting to defend Abbott.

    My wife is smitten with him too.

    TA needs to start acting like a Reagan or Thatcher not a gillrudd clone.

  139. Habib

    If this yet another PPL brainfart from the executive suite then Abbott is showing the same level of unsuitability for the high chair as Former Chairman Dear Leader, however with less rudeness and psychosis, especially in a cabinet-based system. It may well be a Baldrickian Cunning Plan to wedge Shortnin’ Bread Willie, and thus far it’s succeeded- with a bad look and whiff about credibility and honesty about it though.

    Obfuscation and semantics are never a good look, when there’s a target-rich environment for spending cuts and revenue-snavveling available out there among your ideological opposites. Labor has no problem bushwhacking and pissing off its perceived enemies, what is it with these sit-down-to-piss pantywaisters who self describe as “conservatives” and “liberals”.

  140. TA needs to start acting like a Reagan or Thatcher not a gillrudd clone.

    Tell that to his Ambassador For Women.

  141. candy

    Personally, I think it was foolhardy to make these promises – he would have won the election even if he added a few asterisks to them..

    Once Kevin Rudd came back there was a good chance ALP would win if the Libs said there would be cuts to health, education, Medicare, with an increase GST. Tony Abbott is never popular with people.
    They could have easily defeated Julia Gillard no matter what, but Rudd was a different matter. There’s a fair chance there would be no conservative government now if Tony Abbott hadn’t made those promises.

  142. Yohan

    Sadly, I expect it from Hockey, because I’ve seen him in enough interviews to know that he has Swan-level cluelessness on business matters, and only occasionally pays lip-service to what he thinks conservatives want to hear, without understanding the underlying issues.

    a late quote Fleeced, but this is exactly what I have been seeing in Hockey for the last 2 years, and was hoping it was just opposition rhetoric. Some of his attitudes to business and markets showed he could easily be in the Labor party, even moreso than Turnbull.

    I was not surprised to hear he had to be overruled on the bailouts issue.

  143. Demosthenes

    Peta Credlin and Brian Loughnane have been repeatedly exposed as incompetent amateurs.

    Hang on a sec. Making mistakes isn’t amateurish per se. And I think by virtue of their high positions alone, we can surmise they’re not incompetent. Unless you’re saying everyone else is just more incompetent, to allow them to reach so far.

  144. Back down, Tony – back down while you still can.

    I’ll fucking LOL hard when Abbott gets rolled.

    No you won’t, because it will mean at least twelve years of Labor rule with $50bn average deficits per year every year, and possibly no really free or fair elections ever again.

  145. Baldrick

    There’s a fair chance there would be no conservative government now if Tony Abbott hadn’t made those promises.

    Probably true Candy but before TA introduces a deficit levy he should take the razor to government spending and waste, then argue the case for a new tax. Trying to sell a new tax without first explaining what government spending will be cut is insane. He needs to prove to the voters he’s got the gonads to slash the right waste before asking them to hand over their hard earned money.

  146. Demosthenes

    Some of his attitudes to business and markets showed he could easily be in the Labor party

    Watching him and Crabb chatting over terrible food was an enlightening experience. He’s an old-fashioned earnest type, intelligent enough to know to be cautious, which carries over into his brand of bottom-up conservatism. Obviously wishes he’d never been a politician.

  147. There’s a fair chance there would be no conservative government now if Tony Abbott hadn’t made those promises.

    That’s bullshit.
    Abbott ran an excellent campaign in 2010, but 2013 was a drover’s dog election.
    I read an insightful comment at this site last year to the effect that ‘Credlin and Loughnane turned a landslide into a comfortable victory. ‘

  148. Motelier

    Twitter is such a useful tool to make fun of leftist fools.

    However I have now started on the current LNP.

    @The_Motelier: @TonyAbbottMHR The 1% tax you are proposing is not why I voted and vote LNP. GET THE SPENDING UNDER CONTROL. You know where to start.

  149. Motelier

    Let them all know and as fast as you can.

    @The_Motelier: @JoeHockey Stop the rot, cut the spend a thon and put in place policies that get the economy running again. More tax payers = less debt.

  150. dan

    There’s a fair chance there would be no conservative government now if Tony Abbott hadn’t made those promises

    So I would be $40,000 ahead over five years? With leadership this bad, that outcome would have been excellent – as it turns out.

    Anyway off to the accountant on Thursday to sign off on the SMSF, and I will be investigating some far more aggressive tax planning. I’ve been placid about paying a certain overall percentage of gross income in tax up until now, but there is clearly no limit to our governments’ rapaciousness and I need to protect my interests.

  151. Motelier

    And so I will debase myself and use the tools of the left.

    @The_Motelier: @keithjpitt This 1% tax on “80k” income earners is so wrong. You need these people to kickstart the economy after the RuddGillardRudd years

  152. Motelier

    dan,

    I am with you all the way on this issue.

    FFS people. If this tax/levy comes to fruition you may as well kiss any financial security goodbye.

    We operate 2 leased motels. Each lease is different, but we are now pouring over each lease to see if there is a clause in there that might cover this thought bubble.

    If this is the case then all businesses that use accommodation providers like me and SatP will have to cop a rise in fees, and not because of our profits, but because all of our suppliers will have price rise.

    FFS people. This goes through the whole economy. It may be a growth killer.

  153. Oh come on

    Once Kevin Rudd came back there was a good chance ALP would win

    Nonsense. The gloss came off Rudd within a month. This was not Abbott’s doing – the electorate simply remembered what a bizarre, mentally unstable creature Rudd was and how unsuited he was to high office.

    if the Libs said there would be cuts to health, education, Medicare, with an increase GST.

    What are you smoking, candy? They don’t have to announce those cuts before the election. They simply have to not promise not to make them. As for the GST – why are you mentioning that?

    They could have easily defeated Julia Gillard no matter what, but Rudd was a different matter.

    Actually, Gillard would probably have run a more effective campaign than Rudd. You appear to be conflating Kevin ’07 with Kevin 2.0. Rudd was a pushover.

    There’s a fair chance there would be no conservative government now if Tony Abbott hadn’t made those promises.

    Utter rubbish. No other way to say it.

  154. Oh come on

    Dan’s loaded. Hey, Dan! Can I get a loan?

  155. Oh come on

    Mote: what do you mean, ‘may’? The question isn’t if it will kill growth – it’s how much growth will it kill.

  156. Pyrmonter

    feeling vindicated … DLP in sheep’s clothing.

  157. bingbing

    Sure. It’s a tax. And one that was promised that wouldn’t be levied. But that was before they really saw the books.

    It sucks, but ffs, what choice do the poor cunts have? The books are cooked.

    Holding off my final decision (vote) until I see reciprocal action on the ABC and grants, eco shit etc.

  158. A H

    Any tax increase would be a mistake.

    When governments depredate on an economy, they ALWAYS give back less than they take.

    If tax and spend were the path to succcess, why not tax 100% of all earnings?

    Because Communism doesn’t work, not even a little tiny bit of Communism.

    The less the economy is taxed, the more it will grow.

    Let’s get organised and nix this tax. It hasn’t been announced yet, there is still time to quash it.

  159. bingbing

    BTW, over 800 lousy bucks or whatever, half the regulars on this site would let Labor back in?

    Wow.

  160. Motelier

    OCO

    I believe this could be a growth killer.

  161. BTW, over 800 lousy bucks or whatever, half the regulars on this site would let Labor back in?

    I can tell you right now that an 800 hit will hurt some people more than others. If your finances are finely balanced (e.g., you’ve gotten into debt, have child support payments, etc) then money can be tight and there is no room for movement. Depends on the situation.

    Some people will absorb this and others it will sting.

    But if this is how they do business they’re no different to Labor. There’s no difference between this and the carbon tax.

  162. A H

    BTW, over 800 lousy bucks or whatever, half the regulars on this site would let Labor back in?

    I know what the plan is, link the levy to deficits so it is only paid when there is a deficit,

    then, in the 2016 budget, the Govt goes into surplus “oh look, you got a 1% tax break … but don’t vote ALP, because they’ll take us back into deficit and there goes your tax break”

    How about cleaning up all the rubbish? Start closing departments and programs. Abbott underestimates the support out there for simply cutting all the unnecessary spending.

  163. BTW, over 800 lousy bucks or whatever, half the regulars on this site would let Labor back in?

    Oh so that’s how it’s played is it?
    The government can be big taxing, big-spending, lying, promise-breaking fools but because “Labor is worse” we all just have to sit around and grumble quietly that at least it’s not Labor.

    It’s exactly the same as Labor! “carbon” tax, “PPL” levy, “debt” levy…. these things are just brand names. They don’t mean anything. Tax is tax is tax. It raises money into consolidated revenue. You can claim the money is for good deeds but it’s just revenue.

    That’s why a debt levy is identical to the carbon tax.

  164. A H

    bottom line, any tax is completely indefensible. It’s theft.

  165. iamok

    Peta Credlin and Brian Loughnane have been exposed as incompetent amateurs.

    That’s been very clear for a while. They CANNOT design and sell the message. That is all it takes to implement the hard calls that must be made. LNP are incompetent marketers – oh but they are *tough* – and the LG comrades are competent, albeit liars.

  166. Demosthenes #1285499, posted on April 29, 2014 at 9:56 pm

    Peta Credlin and Brian Loughnane have been repeatedly exposed as incompetent amateurs.

    Hang on a sec. Making mistakes isn’t amateurish per se. And I think by virtue of their high positions alone, we can surmise they’re not incompetent.

    Both are working effectively, achieving the objectives set by their masters

  167. iamok

    And this is just such lazy lazy politics and policy.

    The problem is if you take the easy option it becomes easier every time. Welcome to R-G-R govt policy formation. If Abbott does not get rolled over this I will be surprised.

    Fuck I get more disappointed in this govt every day. I remain hopeful there is an upside to come, but it is but a fleeting hope.

    And this is the first and second time I have said “fuck” on this forum.

  168. Andrew

    Those bastards know I will vote LNP anyway (or at least so long as the ALP is focused on ‘reform’ and not changing their shitty policies everyone hated).

    They now know that I won’t. I’ve let them know that I have supported them in everything but will never forgive this sellout and lie. And I’ve reminded them that Gillard’s post-WBCT polls were despite the considerable tailwind of the entire meeja bar 3, Greens, GetUp, unions, environmentalists, academia K to Uni, PS and Twitter running cover for her lie. Abbott666 has none of that. If he Gillards himself, his polls go to zero.

  169. I’ll fucking LOL hard when Abbott gets rolled.

    Go for it, dot. Lol yourself all the way into chains. We’ll end up with someone worse than PeanutHead, and shortly thereafter government deficits will be the least of your worries.

  170. Notafan

    If they don’t cut spending hard it will a disaster, I wouldn’t be happy about a levy but if all the BS doesn’t go…
    LNP voters don’t get Arts grants, they don’t manipulate centrelink benefits when they are capable of working , they are over the carbon fraud and all its associated scams. Cut those and the only squealing will be greens.

  171. Oh come on

    BTW, over 800 lousy bucks or whatever, half the regulars on this site would let Labor back in?

    If I must eat shit, I choose to be fed by someone I know is going to serve me shit rather than someone who tells me they’re dishing me up lobster.

  172. ralph

    This is all just beautiful. So many on this site were filled with such hatred for Gillard that they couldn’t see that a complete clown in the form of one Tony Abbott would be elected, without any policy or a moment of thinking about policy since 2007. Suck it up princesses, you own this man. He is a complete fool and you have been had. Ha ha ha.

  173. James B

    Fuck both the red fucks. I fucking told you that these fucks would provide nothing but more statism, but nobody listened.

    The ONLY rational choice if you want smaller government is a vote for the LDP.

  174. James B

    Contact your local member and ask them why they’re going to fucking STEAL more of your hard-earned money to fund their wasteful spending. Tell them you will NEVER, EVER, EVER vote for the Liberal Party again if they go through with this.

  175. James B

    This fat faggot Joe Hockey is going to spend $2.5 billion on “direction action” and more billions on a paid parental leave scheme, yet he wants to tax us more.

    When will this fat hungry faggot learn that you can’t tax your way into prosperity.

  176. ralph

    Ha ha ha. All you adolescents stuck in your own vision of liberalism and transferring that to the LNP! Suck it up princesses! Your political thinking is stuck will Mill. Interesting, but I moved on from this decades ago. One has to deal with others.

  177. Combine_Dave

    Sure. It’s a tax. And one that was promised that wouldn’t be levied. But that was before they really saw the books.

    It sucks, but ffs, what choice do the poor cunts have? The books are cooked.

    Holding off my final decision (vote) until I see reciprocal action on the ABC and grants, eco shit

    Bingbing raises a good point. The problem here is that if they raise multiple new taxes (PPL levy, Debt Levy and GST increase) solely in order to avoid making cuts to welfare, the ABC and renewable subsidies than the upcoming budget will be a real shit sandwich that continues the Green-Red coalitions policies; i.e. of transferring wealth from the productive engine of the economy to those that produce nothing of value.

  178. Combine_Dave

    Looks like the Liberals (nor their staffers) have little sympathy for those that voted them in, now that they have their own snouts pushed firmly into the trough;

    Ha ha ha. All you adolescents stuck in your own vision of liberalism and transferring that to the LNP! Suck it up princesses! Your political thinking is stuck will Mill. Interesting, but I moved on from this decades ago. One has to deal with others.

  179. ralph

    James B – this govt has learnt nothing. They are the fag end of the Howard government full of non performers, chancers, the corrupt and bumblers (how the hell did Andrews get a gig after his incompetence over Haneef?) It just goes to show the LNP was bone idle on the policy front from 2007-13 and it is becoming increasingly evident. When will Sonodonis resign, rather than just stand aside?

  180. Combine_Dave

    hatred for Gillard that they couldn’t see that a complete clown in the form of one Tony Abbott would be elected, without any policy or a moment of thinking about policy since 2007. S

    I believe they had a number of wonderful policies.

    1) stopping the boats (which has worked beautifully btw)
    2) ending the taxes (still waiting on a change to the senate)
    3) no surprises, no new taxes etc (pending, this policy may have been abandoned in an orgy of Labor like spending; ironically to pursue Labor initiated spending; Gonski, NBN, NDIS ).

  181. Grigory M

    W(ho)TF is bingbing? How come he/she/it has a post up ( #1285561, posted on April 29, 2014 at 11:09 pm) with the banned “c” word in it?

  182. ralph

    Combine Dave – yea sure – boats (Rudd’s policy); ending e taxes (nothing through the senate so nothing to show); no surprises (unity ticket on Gonski?) That didn’t surprise me – actually nothing surprises me about this government including knights and dames. This govt is nothing more than the detritus of the fag end of the Howard govt who were so lazy all they did was develop three word slogans for the bogans. If they were really serious about the Budget they would have had a mini budget late 2013. But they aren’t so now we see them thrashing about. Hopeless losers. Politics as usual – they are still in opposition. Ha ha ha. Suck it up all who voted for them.

  183. 1) stopping the boats (which has worked beautifully btw)
    2) ending the taxes (still waiting on a change to the senate)
    3) no surprises, no new taxes etc (pending, this policy may have been abandoned in an orgy of Labor like spending; ironically to pursue Labor initiated spending; Gonski, NBN, NDIS ).

    One out of three aint bad…

  184. entropy

    The deficit can be fixed by either
    *cutting speeding
    *growing the economy (thus increasing overall tax revenue)
    and/or
    *introducing new taxation. Of course, the third option makes the first and second options less likely, and the first option introduces a lot of unseemly rent seeker squealing. The second option, of course, is something foreign to the average treasury nerd or politician wanting to control the levers of the world. because it requires them to lift their dead hands.

    What annoys the most about this tax is that the underlying reason it is being considered is
    a) they don’t have the spine to cut spending where it needs to be; and
    b) in the closet world of Treasury the pasty faced, greasy haired, dark grey suited nerds who would not last five seconds outside the atmosphere of Canberra think you can raise taxes with no impact on employment or the economy.

    Which just leaves option three.

  185. Snoopy

    A H
    #1285577, posted on April 29, 2014 at 11:44 pm
    bottom line, any tax is completely indefensible. It’s theft.

    Shark. Jumped.

  186. Snoopy

    The ONLY rational choice if you want smaller government is a vote for the LDP.

    That’s if ‘rational’ means joining the less than 2% (WA senate primary vote 1.82%).

  187. Blogstrop

    Back in the nineties I looked forward to the end of the Keating era, and welcomed the election of Howard in 1996, even though it looked like he would have to grow into the job.

    The budget was not in good shape, and the cutbacks he implemented reversed the trend of my business, whihc had grown well to that point.

    I remained angry with him for years, but eventually saw the good side. Costello also grew in the job of treasurer.

    The budgetary problems caused by RGR and Swan are immense compared to 1996. Some of the things that Abbott & co had to allow through so the media wouldn’t go more feral on them just prior to an election are still there accumulating further debt.

    Whether they cut spending or raise taxes, people will get hurt, even hard working business people.

    There is no easy way out of the situation Labor and the union string jerkers have created, with the help of a stupid and ideologically driven press claque. They need to be reformed just as the senate does.

    There is no way urging for Abbott to be a one termer is going to help anything. Far better to urge that Labor never again be given the power to make such a mess.

  188. Blogstrop

    So far, most people here have merely given Ralph the troll ammunition.

  189. Shelley

    Thinking about this overnight. People are forgetting the reason we are here. Labor’s love of spending. Spending on rubbish. $900 for plasmas, pokies. Overblown school halls. Pink batts. Overblown climate change spending. Growing the APS. The Commonwealth Labor Government’s contribution to State debt (thinking of their part in desal plants). Failed policy after failed policy. Don’t forget in 2007 they came in with no debt, a surplus and three (or so) illegals in detention.

    The other important thing is that all of this talk is taking away from other major issues – Union RC, AWU/Gillard, Pink Batts RC (isn’t the nerd supposed to appear in the next week or so).

    All of this talk of Abbott/Hockey ‘the bastards’, is just giving a free pass to those ALP liars, and not to forget their stooges, the two independents and the Greens. Gillard must be cacking herself laughing over all the booby traps they laid, now coming to fruition.

    Keep it in perspective and remember why the hell we are here. It is not due to Abbott/Hockey incompetence. But they need to show guts and cut where it is needed, this is what they were voted in for to stop the largesse and bring about an end to the free money mentality – that and to stop the illegal influx.

  190. Blogstrop

    I see in the Oz that the debt levy question has awakened arch Labor apologist Paul Kelly. Broken Promise is now the most effective headline they can come up with. Gross Incompetence didn’t get him or the rest of the claque too excited between 2007 and 2013. Too busy bagging the opposition for things like uncivil discourse, or even trumped up charges of misogyny.

  191. Thinking about this overnight. People are forgetting the reason we are here. Labor’s love of spending. Spending on rubbish.

    like, you mean… direct action, the NDIS? RET? those “Labor” policies?

  192. Blogstrop

    The media are part owners of the debts, having been ardent enablers and approvers of everything Labor did, but they’ll sidestep it and just go feral on the coalition, as usual.

  193. Blogstrop

    NDIS and RET are certainly Labor policies, along with a lot of others that have cost too much. Direct Action was an alternative to the ETS or Carbon Tax, but it too would not have had to be trotted out but for the firestorm of climate scammology that the Labor Green Media conglomerate made happen for political purposes. They are part owners of that too.

  194. NDIS and RET are certainly Labor policies, along with a lot of others that have cost too much.

    They’re Liberal policies now.
    The Liberals have adopted them.

  195. Token

    I see in the Oz that the debt levy question has awakened arch Labor apologist Paul Kelly. Broken Promise is now the most effective headline they can come up with. Gross Incompetence didn’t get him or the rest of the claque too excited between 2007 and 2013.

    As the lefties pretending to be conservatives refuse to pull apart and shut down all the unnecessary government funded schemes the Liars Party put in place, they now forced to act like Liars Party members and impose taxes on the wealth creators of our society.

    Where is Australia’s UKIP?

  196. Token

    They’re Liberal policies now.
    The Liberals have adopted them.

    Of course they did, what Liberal MP doesn’t want to be in charge of a huge bloated public service department (which is too large to control).

  197. Bear Necessities

    Thinking about this overnight. People are forgetting the reason we are here. Labor’s love of spending. Spending on rubbish. $900 for plasmas, pokies. Overblown school halls. Pink batts. Overblown climate change spending. Growing the APS. The Commonwealth Labor Government’s contribution to State debt (thinking of their part in desal plants). Failed policy after failed policy. Don’t forget in 2007 they came in with no debt, a surplus and three (or so) illegals in detention.

    The other important thing is that all of this talk is taking away from other major issues – Union RC, AWU/Gillard, Pink Batts RC (isn’t the nerd supposed to appear in the next week or so).

    All of this talk of Abbott/Hockey ‘the bastards’, is just giving a free pass to those ALP liars, and not to forget their stooges, the two independents and the Greens. Gillard must be cacking herself laughing over all the booby traps they laid, now coming to fruition.

    Keep it in perspective and remember why the hell we are here. It is not due to Abbott/Hockey incompetence. But they need to show guts and cut where it is needed, this is what they were voted in for to stop the largesse and bring about an end to the free money mentality – that and to stop the illegal influx.

    Yes, the ALP introduced all the above. But they haven’t been given a free pass. They have been thrown out by the electorate in September last year. It is now the LNP’s job in government to reign in this spending. There is heaps of spending decisions that Abbott and Hockey could make before levy’s. Cancelling NDIS, Gonski, PPL would go a long way on the expenditure side. Making the economy more efficient by cancelling Fairwork, RET would also led in the long term to increasing the revenue side. If they don’t have the courage in their first year to make theses changes well they won’t in their 2nd and 3rd years.

  198. Combine_Dave

    Let me say, hand on heart, that I will happily pay my share of the levy (with a smile even) if they end the continuation of Labor’s wasteful policy (privatize/deregulate the NBN, cut fuding to NDIS, ABC/SBS, welfare entitlements etc..) in conjunction with this great new tax.

    If not I will actively speak out against this policy, seek to avoid paying this tax and alternative change my voting intentions on election day if this policy is not dropped; I’d probably have to vote for a crazy independent (or the even crazier PUP); who could seriously vote for ALP after all they’ve done?).

    Aside from the fact that if the LNP become big spending/big taxing losers they’ll be indistinguishable from the Liars party.

    This basically sums up why so many here are angry:

    What annoys the most about this tax is that the underlying reason it is being considered is
    a) they don’t have the spine to cut spending where it needs to be; and
    b) in the closet world of Treasury the pasty faced, greasy haired, dark grey suited nerds who would not last five seconds outside the atmosphere of Canberra think you can raise taxes with no impact on employment or the economy.

    Which just leaves option three.

  199. jupes

    I see in the Oz that the debt levy question has awakened arch Labor apologist Paul Kelly.

    It never ceases to amaze me that this idiot is treated as some sort of sage by his mates in the MSM.

    Kelly is a professional wrongologist who among many other bad calls, predicted that the Coalition would become a fringe party after it elected Abbott and rejected the ETS.

  200. Twodogs

    Politicians need to know when to keep their ample mouths shut and Abbott may not learned that. There are only TWO outcomes of this… There will be NO taxes introduced or raised on budget night and Abbott retains a level of credibility or he proves himself to be exactly the same class of liar as Julia Gillard…

  201. .

    Shelley – you don’t get it.

    Yes the ALP’s spending did get us here. Now Abbott can’t get out of it.

    If it is plainly obvious that most of this is waste, which is recognised by special interest groups, there is nothing to lose in slashing spending and cutting taxes.

    You lose credibility in the eyes of the ALP PR office. Big deal. Seen their Senate primary vote lately?

  202. Joe Goodacre

    If there was no increase in taxation, Abbott would be out there denying it to prevent further damage to the brand – he would be reiterating no new taxes.

    On that basis it seems likely we have a new tax coming.

    I disagree with a new tax, but can see that they may have decided cutting spending alone was copping too much flack and became politically impractical. They may have polling data which we are not privy too which helps make these calls – fine.

    What’s confusing though is why the narrative isn’t being directed in a manner that means Labor cop the flack…

    Perhaps it would get better traction being called Labor’s Deficit Tax, or a Pink Batts Tax, Gonski Tax, NDIS tax, NBN inefficiency tax etc… Make it apply to everyone, not just the wealthy and go on the airwaves saying that this is what happens when the nation elects people who spend big and who spend poorly – the bill for those items has to be paid for sometime. Make the whole issue about the taxes paying for Labor’s waste.

  203. brc

    NDIS and RET are certainly Labor policies, along with a lot of others that have cost too much.

    They’re Liberal policies now.
    The Liberals have adopted them.

    This is the point. Break a liberal promise (no new taxes) so they can keep their labor promises (free stuff).

    No. Cut back the free stuff promises and cut the APS hard. That is what is better for the economy and that is what people expect. Labor hard core have already marched about nothing, you might as well give them something to march about. Who remembers now how many public servant Campbell Newman cut? Who cares? But break a promise on no new taxes and people rember all the way to the polling booth.

  204. candy

    The Australian editorial today talks about an Abbott “backflip” and how disastrous that would be for him, but then goes on to say raising the GST is the way out.

    Raising the GST was 100% ruled out by Tony Abbott whereas a levy was never mentioned.

  205. jupes

    Keep it in perspective and remember why the hell we are here.

    At the very least to point out flaws of the people who affect our lives.

    If Abbott wanted to raise taxes or implement a new tax he shouldn’t have told us that he wouldn’t do it prior to the election.

  206. Notafan

    How does Abbott get the message out when even the government funded media twist and misrepresent the message?

  207. Tom

    The Oz notes in its editorial on Abbott’s suicidal decision to punish the people who voted for him for the Liars’ criminality:

    The fifth of taxpayers who earned more than $80,000 a year in the 2011 financial year paid 62 per cent of all income tax. The top 10 per cent — with taxable incomes of more than $105,500 — paid 46 per cent. And bracket creep boosts their burden every year. If the previous Labor government had ameliorated its impact, the $80,000 threshold in 2008 should have risen to $90,245 in 2013, and the $180,000 threshold to $203,000. Like most governments, it did not, implying annual increases in taxes for workers. Let’s not forget that the Medicare Levy is due to rise by 0.5 percentage points to 2 per cent on July 1 to help pay for Labor’s disability insurance scheme, which is not due to be operational for another five years. The top marginal tax rate could be about to rise to 49 per cent, and the second top rate to 40 per cent, making Australia’s already very progressive tax system even more so.

  208. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    So, there is a suggestion that, rather than cutting wasteful spending, the Abbott Socialist Republic will ‘soak the rich’ so that it can continue paying for it.

    Who’da thunk it??

    Can’t trust any of them. They don’t ‘get it’. They think taxation is costless, and Treasury encourages them in this mistaken belief.

    Goodnight Tony. Goodnight Sloppy Joe. Was nice knowing you.

  209. .

    I disagree with a new tax, but can see that they may have decided cutting spending alone was copping too much flack and became politically impractical.

    No no no.

    You tell me what Abbott loses given his known political views by abolishing the Office for the Status of Women, privatising the SBS, ABC, Medibank Private and Post Office, and implementing top down wage cuts and freezes and efficiency dividends, as well as other asset sales.

    The IPA have found 22 bn in recurrent savings, Peter Saunders (the Good) has found 90 bn in welfare churn – many years ago.

    Why do we need a Federal Department of Education? Why do we need Federal Health outside the HIC and PHIAC?

    The idea that we can’t find 150 bn in savings p.a. without any service cuts is simply a joke. He could pay off massive debts within two terms and deliver massive tax cuts, holding GDP constant. Likely he’d actually pay off the debt quicker given GDP positive reforms like tax cuts and labour market reforms.

    This simply isn’t being offered. There is no suggestion the government is moving back to the Washington consensus.

    Abbott shouldn’t be taken seriously anymore if this isn’t the case.

  210. Andrew

    At least the PPL has become slightly less terrible with the reduction in the eligibility threshold from $150,000 to $100,000.

  211. Senile Old Guy

    About 75% of people earn under $80,000, and many on minimum wage with basic skills can only ever dream of earning $80,000.

    But Australian elections now depend on swinging voters; the rusted on will vote ALP or Coalition as they always do. My electorate is marginal and the Coalition MP got in by a narrow margin. She will be gone, if the deficit tax is introduced.

    Kick the swinging voters in the nuts and you will go down. Earlier in this thread I said that Shorten was now electable. I have seen nothing to change that view.

    Howard took the GST to the electorate and won. Abbott promised “no surprises” and “no new taxes”. And he made much noise about Gillard’s broken promise on the carbon tax.

    Nothing, nothing angers voters more than clearly stated promises, broken at the first opportunity. Gillard was toast the moment she introduced the carbon tax. If Abbott introduces a deficit tax, he will be toast.

    It is the most politically insane policy I have ever seen floated in Australia. I understand those saying “Wait for the budget”. But the amount of detail wafting around about this “thought bubble” suggests that it is more than hypothetical.

    The message this sends to voters is all bad. Suppose I spend beyond my means and get into serious debt. What do I do? Go in to work and say “Look, I’ve spend a bit too much so I need a deficit raise for the next few years.”

  212. Senile Old Guy

    Miranda Devine:

    Before the election, Abbott locked himself needlessly into promises to keep Gillard’s NDIS and Gonski education spending. But people would understand if he postponed them until the Budget hit surplus. Instead he’s added pointless new spending.

    The Direct Action scheme will cost $3 billion, and for what? Pretending to lower the global temperature.

    The Paid Parental Leave will cost $5-6 billion a year. That’s twice as much as the hideous “deficit reduction levy” will raise. Another nice idea if the economy were booming and you weren’t cutting welfare payments to war orphans.

    Abbott claims the PPL is a “workplace right”.

    Most people would consider a workplace right is being able to take your hard-earned salary home without the government snatching it.

  213. Notafan

    Was high end Ppl going to benefit many outside the public service?
    It shocked me that public servants got both their maternity leave payments and the current payment introduced by Labor.

  214. brc

    BTW

    Anyone who has whined on this thread but has not whined to their MP and/or Abbott’s office need to get to aph.gov.au and lodge a coherent objection to the proposals as reported by the media. Party room pressure still works with the liberals.

  215. rebel with cause

    Abbott would rather raise taxes than ask the ABC staff to get their hands dirty by having advertising in their shows.

  216. Helen

    Look, much as I disagree with PPL, I understand why Tony dreamed it up. He was being labelled as someone who hated women and here was something he could point to which showed the opposite. he loves women, so much that he is going to pay them half their salary for each and every child. (No thought at all for the employers who have to manage around the absence, AND pay more tax for the luxury BTW.)

    So if he folds on PPL, he is labelled as once again, someone who really hates women, and a liar, becasue if he did not hate women he would have stood by his word.

    He would rather break his promise of no new taxes, than break his promise of PPL.

    Someone has sold this tax on the ‘wealthy’ as a sweetener to the poor who will supposedly suffer if deeper cuts are made. That is precisely it. This government can no longer afford to be so kind to the poor. And the poor are less likely to get a job if Tony is taxing the wealthy, because the translation is there will be less jobs if Tony taxes the wealthy. It is a bit like the ten blokes who go to the pub for a beer and instead of each paying their way, decide on a more equitable means of buying the beer, so the poor bloke gets to eventually drink for free and the wealthy bloke pays for the lot. One day the wealthy bloke does not turn up. And like all the French millionaires Hollande was going to tax. They all left the country and many now live in Britain who has benefited very well from France’s wealth tax.

    To grow jobs, Tony should be cutting spending savagely AND lowering taxes. Tony has fallen into the rabbit hole of his treasury department, some Kensyian wonderland languishes there, and he has been sold the pup that this tax is vital for the country and the people will understand. Sure they might. But it is not a good tax and the lingering message in peoples mind is didnt Tony once say something like don’t trust what Tony says unless it is in writing – is reignited. Untrustworthy, liar. All else in the whys and wherefores of the tax is lost. Undisciplined, and terribly, terribly foolish.

  217. Mater

    The major issue I would have with this levy, apart from the fact that the waste has not been stopped, is that the burden is not shared. I will personally walk down to centrelink and hand over an appropriate cheque so long as everyone does the same. How are the voting public going to learn the lesson about bad choices if a large section are continually insulated from the consequences of those choices. Isn’t it ironic that the beneficiaries of the $900 handout were people earning under $80,000 and those who are to suffer the consequences of it are those earning above $80,000. The usual suspects are saying that such a levy needs to be progressive, well that is the benefit of percentages. The higher your income, the more you pay.
    If this is to be implemented, everyone needs to pay.

  218. Notafan

    Has the schoolkids bonus been axed yet?

  219. Rabz

    NDIS and RET are certainly Labor policies

    Fuck that – the RET was introduced by Howard and the NDIS has always had ‘bipartisan’ support.

  220. blogstrop

    The idea that we can’t find 150 bn in savings p.a. without any service cuts is simply a joke. He could pay off massive debts within two terms and deliver massive tax cuts, holding GDP constant. Likely he’d actually pay off the debt quicker given GDP positive reforms like tax cuts and labour market reforms.

    OK, just get the media to work selling that to the voters then.

  221. blogstrop

    The MRET mandated an additional 9,500 gigawatt hours of renewable energy generation above 1997 levels by 2010. In 2000, this target was enshrined in the Renewable Energy (Electricity) Act2000, the purpose of which was to encourage the additional generation of renewable energy, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and ensure that renewable energy sources were ecologically sustainable.

    The original target, equivalent to a 2 per cent increase in the contribution of renewably energy to Australia’s electricity supply, was met ahead of time, prompting calls for a more ambitious target. These calls were met by the Rudd Government when it amended the Act in 2009, replacing the original target of 9,500 GWh by 2010 with a RET of 45,000 GWh by 2020. On introducing the amending legislation into Parliament, then Minister Assisting the Minister for Climate Change Greg Combet spoke about the benefits of the increased target as accelerating green jobs, attracting additional investment to Australia in renewables and moving Australia closer to a “low pollution future.”

    The RET had little impact on prices as originally devised. The massive increased in power prices have occurred under Labor. From the date Labor amended it upwards, they own it.

  222. blogstrop

    I don’t agree that letting something go through parliament – often because resisting it will give the media a free kick – constitutes bona fide “bipartisan support.”

  223. Gab

    the Rudd Government when it amended the Act in 2009, replacing the original target of 9,500 GWh by 2010 with a RET of 45,000 GWh by 2020.

    I presume this went before both Houses of Parliament so it would be interesting to know how the Libs voted. Was it bi-partisan?

  224. Rabz

    I don’t agree that letting something go through parliament – often because resisting it will give the media a free kick – constitutes bona fide “bipartisan support.”

    Bullshit. The NDIS has always had bipartisan support, as did the eventual introduction of the increase in the medicare levy, the only aspect the Liberals initially opposed. Notice how the Liberals are continuing to blunder on with the NDIS, regardless of the enormous cost blowouts.

    And as I correctly noted above, Howard introduced the RET.

  225. Helen

    Pain now.

    By the time next election rolls around, we should be able to say look how far we have come, and point out how less far we have to go before the pain will be over.

    If we go half baked with ‘faux austerity” measures, not only will the perceived pain still be there next election, also the distance to paying back will not have shortened.

    It will be the same as the climate catastrapharian predictions, always the doom is in another generation so why worry about it now says Jo Public.

    Here the repayment of the (by then, possibly 1T) debt will be just as far into the inconceivable, unattainable future so WTF worry about it now Abbott, give me back my free stuff you half took away, FU.

    The mileage ALP will make on that. They will find endless suffering families to portray on the nightly telly, helped ably by their henchmen and women at the ABC.

    Seriously this means as others have said, deferring the NDIS and other promises Abbott foolishly made before the last election because there is simply no money to pay for them.

  226. Helen

    RET and Howard, Bill Leak had a great cartoon of Howard staring into a few puddles of water in a drying creek, the puddles spelling out Green Votes.

    RET was a sop to the greens for votes.

  227. Rabz

    RET was a sop to the greens for votes.

    It was yet another example of the liberals’ inexcusable weakness and stupidity, later preyed on by labor.

  228. .

    blogstrop
    #1285951, posted on April 30, 2014 at 10:44 am
    The idea that we can’t find 150 bn in savings p.a. without any service cuts is simply a joke. He could pay off massive debts within two terms and deliver massive tax cuts, holding GDP constant. Likely he’d actually pay off the debt quicker given GDP positive reforms like tax cuts and labour market reforms.

    OK, just get the media to work selling that to the voters then.

    If you never tell them that, they’re gonna continue this idiotic spin cycle involving taxing the poor out poverty, Chris Richardson and “A Budget for Special Interest Group X”

    “The media” are why Abbott can’t grow some balls? FFS. This man is meant to be a pugilist.

    You do realise the voters wanted tax cuts and “an end to the age of entitlement”, don’t you?

  229. .

    LOL at the comments…”don’t vote for the LDP because they’re a small party”…

  230. blogstrop

    I hardly think pugilism in university days has much to do with the reality of having 80% of the media barracking for Labor and pillorying conservatives at every opportunity.

  231. blogstrop

    NDIS is just another over-the-top funding nightmare like the NBN. But try opposing it in an election season?

  232. .

    blogstrop
    #1286093, posted on April 30, 2014 at 12:44 pm
    I hardly think pugilism in university days has much to do with the reality of having 80% of the media barracking for Labor and pillorying conservatives at every opportunity.

    Heart. Balls. Guts. Chutzpah.

  233. blogstrop

    Do you all recall the relentless pressure re Kyoto, global warming, alternative energy, etc that the left media kept up right through the Howard years? As much as we might prefer those times when someone like TA says it’s a load of crap, politics is all about messages and timing, not always what we would like to see happen right now.
    It’s great to have a real time blog where you can be as adamant as you like, but let’s face it, neither the Fisk Doctrine nor razing the ABC is going to happen in the manner we’d like to see.

  234. The solution is easy. Undo all the additional ongoing costs initiated by Labor. All that should be left is the old spending plus CPI. Spending is what, 70% higher after just six years? CPI should only be about 15%. Such changes could net a considerable budget surplus this year.

  235. Rabz

    blogs, I don’t disagree with most of what you say above, but the expediency of the Liberals is driving me batty.

    They simply aren’t worth voting for as they don’t stand for anything. About the only stand out exception has been putting a stop to the invasion of illegal welfare seekers. In the meantime they continue to throw up inexcusable mediocrities such as Barnett, Napthine, O’Barrell and the rest.

    It’s akin to having been disenfranchised.

  236. NDIS is just another over-the-top funding nightmare like the NBN. But try opposing it in an election season?

    The coalition still would have won.
    Labor weren’t going to coast to victory on that as a point of differentiation.

  237. .

    It’s great to have a real time blog where you can be as adamant as you like, but let’s face it, neither the Fisk Doctrine nor razing the ABC is going to happen in the manner we’d like to see.

    Why?

    A lack of political clout, or a lack of belief in classical liberalism?

  238. Oh come on

    The Australian editorial today talks about an Abbott “backflip” and how disastrous that would be for him, but then goes on to say raising the GST is the way out.

    Raising the GST is no simple task, candy.

    Pain now.

    By the time next election rolls around, we should be able to say look how far we have come, and point out how less far we have to go before the pain will be over.

    This is very probably the same logic Gillard used to rationalise her coalition with the Greens and the ramming through of the Carbon Tax.

    He would rather break his promise of no new taxes, than break his promise of PPL.

    He doesn’t need to break his promise on PPL or DA. He simply needs to try and put them through parliament and let them die in the Senate. Lots of election promises perish in this way, and no one accuses the government that made these promises of breaking them if the party of government can’t get their bills through the Senate.

    Of course, now that Abbott has watered down the PPL programme, it’s more likely the Greens will support it. Abbott is tactically boneheaded. He’s removing his escape clauses. It’s as though he wants a Thelma and Louise ending.

  239. Yobbo

    Anyone who didn’t vote for the LDP has only themselves to blame.

  240. Combine_Dave

    Anyone who didn’t vote for the LDP has only themselves to blame.

    Lesson learnt.

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