Day 2 of a broken promise

Paul Kelly gets it:

How can Abbott accuse Labor of being addicted to new taxes and say his solution is a spanking new tax, in defiance of his election promises?

For four years Abbott has campaigned against new taxes. He has said you can’t “tax your way to prosperity”.

Abbott’s excuse is that a temporary levy does not constitute a broken promise. The public won’t buy that. A tax is a tax is a tax. And Abbott’s pledge to cut taxes down the track is just that — down the track.

The further risk is that Abbott compromises his policy pledge to reform the spending side of the budget.

I particularly like this line:

Imagine the embarrassment on budget night if across the forward estimates higher taxes play a bigger role in reducing the deficit than spending restraint.

Terry McCrann doesn’t get it:

JOE Hockey’s coming “sharing the pain” deficit levy is — very — clever, entirely reasonable and indeed appropriate politics.

It is also good and necessary budget policy.

If we wanted a government that put politics ahead of the economy, we could have stuck with Labor. As explained by an unknown senior Liberal:

“We didn’t vote for a f***ing Abbott government to increase taxes did we,” said a senior Liberal figure. “And I didn’t hand out how-to-vote-cards to pay more f**king tax.”

Indeed.

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199 Responses to Day 2 of a broken promise

  1. old bloke

    The reputational damage will result in one-term Tony. This is political suicide, nothing less.

  2. Bugme

    Watch this translate into more votes for the independents …………….cant believe they are that stupid to increase taxes. This with the PPL is a disgrace. Who is the voice of reason in this government?????? Spain, Greece here we come

  3. “We didn’t vote for a f***ing Abbott government to increase taxes did we,” said a senior Liberal figure. “And I didn’t hand out how-to-vote-cards to pay more f**king tax.”

    No, we voted to have direct action to “fight” climate change, more money for disability welfare (sorry, ‘insurance’), commitments to big-government education plans in Gonski, Natasha Stott-Despoja appointed ‘ambassador for women’, a new national conversation on changing the constitution, an ongoing national conversation on gay marriage , keeping section 18c, amd Paul Keating’s words inscribed on the tomb to the unknown soldier for posterity.

    That’s what we voted for. To think that the election was all about stopping taxes is just plain naive.

  4. new chum

    They were going to grow the economy and cut the waste . How soon they forget.

  5. “And I didn’t hand out how-to-vote-cards to pay more f**king tax.”

    Worthy of a t-shirt.

    Or a banner behind a plane, flying back and forth across the Canberra skies.

  6. Lem

    The reputational damage will result in one-term Tony. This is political suicide, nothing less.

    Exactly what I was going to say. Abbott will be a one term wonder. Hopeless politics, stupid economics.

  7. .

    Day 2 of a broken promise
    Posted on 1:14 pm, April 30, 2014 by Sinclair Davidson

    LOL

  8. Rob MW

    It must be just me. I’m sick and tired of bullshit politicians and their money problems. They should do things; first – declare themselves insolvent and go back to scratch and start again and second – amend the Electoral Act to remove the voting rights, and avoid all conflicts of interest, of those that garner, or want to garner, more than 50% of the income from consolidated revenue – Equity Holder vs Stakeholder.

  9. Ellen of Tasmania

    If we wanted a government that put politics ahead of the economy

    No more lies.
    No more political games.

    Govern well and as little as possible.

  10. harrys on the boat

    I was thinking liberty quote when I read that line, Philippa.

  11. Rabz

    Aaaarrgghhh – just as I posted my missive to fat Joe on the other thread!

  12. .

    Well said, Ellen.

    …and by ‘govern’ we mean we don’t want to have government integral to all aspects of our lives, after all, it’s a free country (apparently).

  13. .

    rabz…well said. Post it here as well. Spread the gospel according to the Cat!

  14. stackja

    Why have people totally forgot the ALP created this mess? Support TA! Or you support ALP!

  15. Rabz, you forgot the foreign aid budget – which could be halved to around 3 or 4 billion, and STILL make no difference to global poverty, rather like the carbon tax.

  16. Why have people totally forgot the ALP created this mess? Support TA! Or you support ALP!

    stackja, you are quite wrong about this.

    There’s no either/or. The Cat retains the right to beat the pulp out of ANY crap policy, no matter who spouts it. No quarter asked, and none given.

  17. old bloke

    Why have people totally forgot the ALP created this mess? Support TA! Or you support ALP!

    I haven’t forgotten who created this mess, but why should I support someone who makes it worse?

    The LDP is starting to look much more appealing, or a move within the LNP to push Scott Morrison up the ladder.

  18. Infidel Tiger

    You’ve got to hand it to Abbott, he has achieved in 200 days what Rudd and Gillard needed two terms to do. He is hated from one end of the country to the other. And rightly so.

    I am staggered their are people on this site defending the lying arsehole. I can only assume that if they came home and found their wife fellating the neighbour they’d forgive her if her wedding vows had been nicely delivered.

    What a shit stained toilet of a country Australia is.

  19. Cheryl

    Looks like they are already backing away.
    Could be increase from 37% to 38% according to the Australian.

  20. wal1957

    STACKA… “Why have people totally forgot the ALP created this mess? Support TA! Or you support ALP!”
    No, I haven’t forgotten, and never will I.

    However, how about this government actually dirties their hands and do what has to be done!
    Cut their bloody spending! The PPL is absolutely too generous and a huge burden on business.
    Why do we have so many departments in Federal Government that are actually the responsibility of the states? Just what do these departments do apart from generating paperwork from their own BS?

    By the way, if TA wants to attack the age pension, he should look in the politician’s own backyard.
    It’s absurd that ex politicians receive super from the day they exit parliament, irrespective of their age!

    Politician’s of all varieties have lost any respect (if they ever had any) from the voting public.
    A tax is a tax is a bloody tax! You can call it a levy, duty, GST or whatever, but it is still a bloody TAX!

    I am so sick of politicians!!!!!!

  21. Infidel Tiger

    Stackja your cheerleading is fucking embarrassing. How about you stop being a good little German and locate your balls. Have some fucking pride. That goes for every other little twerp who forgives those disgusting spiv Libs all their trespasses. Have you no shame?

  22. Woolfe

    Thans for Idea:
    @woolfe In the 2016 election @LiberalAus are renaming their “How to Vote” cards to “How to Pay More Tax”.

  23. Woolfe

    Thanks, Welease Woger!

  24. TP

    Terry McCrann is much smarter than you Prof. Day 1, Day 2. How childish. What’s the countdown meant to be or prove ? Stick to the basics & run this Abbott hate site. Still hate Abbotts PPL Scheme do you ?.

  25. Bruce

    ” Paul Kelly Gets It”. Well I suppose there has to be a first time for everything.

  26. stackja

    Infidel Tiger
    #1286238, posted on April 30, 2014 at 2:25 pm
    Stackja your cheerleading is fucking embarrassing. How about you stop being a good little German and locate your balls. Have some fucking pride. That goes for every other little twerp who forgives those disgusting spiv Libs all their trespasses. Have you no shame?

    I have a memory of the ALP. You seem to have a hate-complex.

  27. Oh come on

    Stackja, what’s with the tribalist bullshit? You can forgive the LNP anything because it isn’t Labor?

    I’m surprised to see you displaying the same mentality the site’s trolls share.

  28. Infidel Tiger

    You seem to have a hate-complex.

    You’re damn right I do.

    I hate lying politicians.

  29. Oh come on

    TP: please fuck off with your incoherent bullshit.

  30. wal1957

    Philippa Martyr…”There’s no either/or. The Cat retains the right to beat the pulp out of ANY crap policy, no matter who spouts it. No quarter asked, and none given.”

    I agree wholeheartedly Philippa.
    And so should everybody else.
    Blinkered Lieborites, Liberals or Greens serve absolutely no purpose!
    A CRAP policy is just that, no matter which Party introduces it.

  31. Just for interest sake, what odds that the Tasmanian Libs cut a greater proportion of spending than their Federal counterparts?

    The overspend is similar and it’s first budget time for each.

  32. Gab

    Exactly, Philippa. None of us ever let gillard/Rudd get away with similar stunts so it would be rather hypocritical to now support Abbott when he’s carrying on in the same manner.

  33. Rabz

    you forgot the foreign aid budget

    Yes, I know – at this rate I’ll end up going through the last budget line by line!

  34. Interesting exercise re the Fed Budget – go through and cross out everything that wasn’t constitutional in 1901.

    By my numbers, you end up cutting somewhere in the region of $250B.

  35. Natural Intinct

    Why do we call it a “Budget” when the first lever that is pulled is a tax increase?
    I thought the skill of budgeting was to cut your sail to match your cloth.
    .
    That the Liberals have not found enough cuts to save the bottom line indicates just how addicted our politicians have become to feel-good populist handouts and agrarian socialism.
    .
    For example, as Tim Wilson said on Q&A a while back, why are we turning having children into a “burden” that must be compensated for by government benefits. How about reality – be childless and rich, or be with children and forever trying to make ends meet but enjoying other intangible benefits.
    And that ‘business leader’ Wendy McCarthy on Lateline last night saying “child care is a right’ is just typical of a closet feel-good socialist from big business (really shows her disdain to shareholders, whose money she throws around, not her own).

  36. Roger

    Interesting exercise re the Fed Budget – go through and cross out everything that wasn’t constitutional in 1901.
    Yet by my reckoning the only amendment since 1901 that gives expanded powers of expenditure to the Commonwealth is the 1946 amendment on social services. The other amendments, even those covering Commonwealth-States finances, are more administrative in nature. Take back the Constitution!

  37. Pete

    What is so stupid about this idea is not merely that it is stupid. Yes its stupid enough to deserve the stupid stick but what makes it really stupid and requiring an extra big stick is that for the past four years whilst in opposition this government rightly opposed stupid taxes like the MRRT and the Carbon Tax and they were supported by the electorate because the electorate legitimately thought they were stupid taxes and any party supporting this position would recieve their support and that is exactly what happened. The LNP recieved the support of the electorate where the electorate knew that the LNP would have a tough task repealing the legislation through an obdurate senate and that a double dissolution could not be completely ruled out. The electorate understood that with the greens holding the balance of power in the senate some resolve and support was going to be needed to remove the MRRT/Carbon stupid taxes.

    And now the greens and labour are making hay by taking a position of rejecting any new taxes (or Tonys Tax) there diminishing the importance of the fight in repealing the MRRT/Carbon stupid taxes which then would stand as a monument to sensible economic policy including sound taxation policy and the start of reduced and hopefully more effective government spending.

    They have undone 3 years of building sound policy because they are too frightened of offending the rentseekers in the system and by default they would prefer to tax their own support base.

    Extra big stupid stick

  38. egg_

    Softc*cks who won’t cut back the APS and other ALP hobby horses.

  39. Infidel Tiger

    Judging by Senator Bernardi’s latest email at least one LNP senator will be crossing the floor if this madness becomes reality.

  40. Kingsley

    I was one of those people handing out how to vote cards also. For what it is worth I will be letting anyone I know inside the Party who will listen of my extreme displeasure about the deficit levy.
    I keep hearing Baroness Thatcher saying “No,no,no” in my mind over and over again.

  41. TP

    TP: please fuck off with your incoherent bullshit.
    Oh Come On. With your language you sound like a inner city lefty socialist. If Abbott had taxed the lower income earners he would have been crucified. Now that he going to hit the wealthy he is being lambasted by the likes of you & others on this site. Abbott/Hockey cannot take a big stick to the economy in its current fragile state. It would destroy the country, especially small business. One minute all the people on this site love the LNP, now it seems that policies which are not liked by the Professor are supported by his disciples.

  42. harrys on the boat

    TP, you tried to return serve to OCO, but ended up with an air swing and then shit your pants to the laughter of centre court.

  43. Rabz

    now it seems that policies which are not liked by the Professor are supported by his disciples

    This does not compute.

  44. Yet by my reckoning the only amendment since 1901 that gives expanded powers of expenditure to the Commonwealth is the 1946 amendment on social services. The other amendments, even those covering Commonwealth-States finances, are more administrative in nature. Take back the Constitution!

    And therein lies 1/3 of Commonwealth expenditure. Another 1/4 is manufactured spending of dubious providence. (Education, Health, etc)

  45. Infidel Tiger

    TP, not to be rude, but you are a dumb cnut.

  46. Oh Come On. With your language you sound like a inner city lefty socialist. If Abbott had taxed the lower income earners he would have been crucified. Now that he going to hit the wealthy he is being lambasted by the likes of you & others on this site. Abbott/Hockey cannot take a big stick to the economy in its current fragile state. It would destroy the country, especially small business. One minute all the people on this site love the LNP, now it seems that policies which are not liked by the Professor are supported by his disciples.

    TP, get with the program.

    We don’t want new taxes at all, from anyone. This is a libertarian thing, not a Liberal Party thing.

    We’d rather see cuts in spending across the board, particularly the best kind of cuts, which are programs that haven’t started yet. This is a libertarian thing, not a Liberal Party thing.

    If the Liberal Party would consider the libertarian economic agenda, they might find the economy gets better much faster.

  47. Dan

    Abbott/Hockey cannot take a big stick to the economy in its current fragile state.

    Increased taxes and spending = big stick to the economy

  48. There is two level of frustration being expressed here.

    One, stand by the commitments you made, and don’t dither about them.

    Two, FFS, if you are going to abandon a commitment, at least do so in a direction that leads to better outcomes.

  49. Two, FFS, if you are going to abandon a commitment, at least do so in a direction that leads to better outcomes.

    Yes – like axing PPL, for starters. Then the ABC. Then the world …

  50. Blakewp

    I’d love to see Sinclair Davidson and Terry McCrann go mano-a-mano in a knock-down, drag-’em-out economic battle. It would put Hayek vs Keynes to shame.

  51. JC

    STFU TP, you moron.

    All they have to do is cut spending. No biggie.

  52. TP

    TP, you tried to return serve to OCO, but ended up with an air swing and then shit your pants to the laughter of centre court.
    Are you for real you uneducated smartarse ?. If that was an attempt at a put down/comedy you need a new script writer numbnuts.

  53. harrys on the boat

    To repeat a fellow poster, you really are a dumb cnut, TP.

  54. Bear Necessities

    TP, you tried to return serve to OCO, but ended up with an air swing and then shit your pants to the laughter of centre court.
    Are you for real you uneducated smartarse ?. If that was an attempt at a put down/comedy you need a new script writer numbnuts.

    Oh my god… I just had a realisation…. Wealth redistribution always work…. How could we of been so wrong!

    Forgive us TP.!

  55. TP

    All you loyal disciples of the Professor, repeat after me ‘ I solemnly declare that whatever the Prof. posts, I will l agree to it, in its entirety , so help me God “

  56. rebel with cause

    I guess when Abbott said it would be a ‘no surprises’ government, he meant ‘no surprises, you can expect us to be just like any other crappy tax and spend government’

  57. lotocoti

    So TP, why do you think Abbott666 isn’t fucking up retail politics 101?

  58. Oh come on

    If Abbott had taxed the lower income earners he would have been crucified. Now that he going to hit the wealthy he is being lambasted by the likes of you & others on this site. Abbott/Hockey cannot take a big stick to the economy in its current fragile state. It would destroy the country, especially small business. One minute all the people on this site love the LNP, now it seems that policies which are not liked by the Professor are supported by his disciples.

    AHAHAHAHAAHHAHA good one, TP. Thanks, I needed a bit of levity after I found out about the shit sandwich Abbott expects his constituents to eat. Come again and keep bringing the funny.

  59. Dan

    Tp had emailed three MPs before Sinc wrote anything

  60. Gab

    TP is just trolling now and not making any intelligent contributions here. Time he went elsewhere.

  61. MemoryVault

    All they have to do is cut spending. No biggie.

    In 1946 the grubbermint of the day established the Commonwealth Employment Service (CES) to oversee the processing of returned servicemen back into the workforce. Even in its heyday it is unlikely there were more than 200 CES offices Australia-wide, employing less than 3,000 people.

    By 1960 it had well outlived any usefulness it may have once had. Nonetheless it managed to soldier on until 1998, when, it an act of utter madness, Howard “privatised” it, instead of killing it off. Now these “privatised” offices are known as “Employment Service Providers”, and funded through DEETA.

    A Yellow Pages search on “Employment Service Providers” returns 10,700 hits Australia-wide. There’s 183 of them just in the Greater Canberra area dammit. Even if a full third of them are duplicates or mislabeled, that’s still 7,000 offices, each employing, on average, at least five people. That’s 35,000 on the public payroll who DON’T even count as “public servants”.

    What do these offices and staff do? Basically provide internet access to the computerised “Job Network Australia” database, a service already available at EVERY Centrelink office in Australia. Oh, and make the likes of Therese Rein and Serena Russo very rich.

    Legislative changes needed to close the lot down – nil.
    Loss of service to the genuine jobseekers – nil.
    Savings – around $3 billion year.
    Timeframe – a couple of months.

  62. Dan

    Sorry- i had emailed that should have been

  63. Hendrix

    It’s a huge shame that it was Palmer that saw the vacuum in politics and filled it with his not inconsiderable frame. LDP are still in the starting gate.

  64. Anne

    TP, Philippa has politely tried to educate you.

    Word to the wise…

    If you can’t contribute anything but bile you’ll be ignored.

  65. Baldrick

    Tasmanian senator-elect Jacqui Lambie goes full retard:

    Tasmanian senator-elect Jacqui Lambie has compared the Coalition’s paid parental leave scheme to eugenics. Ms Lambie accused the government’s generous scheme of attempting to discourage poor people from having children.

  66. Anne

    As I said earlier JC, I only take instruction from Alpha Males!

  67. JC

    Lol

    Decent come back for a mere female Anne.

  68. Anne

    …not Alfalfa Males!

    L’esprit de l’escalier.

  69. Notafan

    Jackie Lambie is nuts, we already pay poor people to have babies, it’s called sole parent pension.

  70. Andrew

    Imagine the people who voted LNP as a protest against St Juliar, then voted for the Skywhale as a protest against Abbott666. While it’s upsetting to be completely fucked up the ass* by Abbott666′s new tax, there is at least some consolation to anticipate the disillusionment that will come for PUP voters.

    *It’s still theoretically possible that this is just a Credlin thought bubble / distraction / kite flying exercise and that Hockey666 won’t inflict a massive new tax next month.

  71. All you loyal disciples of the Professor, repeat after me ‘ I solemnly declare that whatever the Prof. posts, I will l agree to it, in its entirety , so help me God “

    Hello, Steve.

    We’ve not missed you.

  72. Sinclair Davidson

    All you loyal disciples of the Professor, repeat after me “I solemnly declare that whatever the Prof. posts, I will l agree to it, in its entirety , so help me God”.

    I like this idea.

  73. Gab

    I like this idea.

    Not. Going. To. Happen. Doomy.

  74. JC

    Jackie Lambie is nuts,….

    No shit Sherlock.

    Seriously, a PUP party meeting must be like a group therapy session in a mental asylum.

  75. egg_

    “whatever the Prof. TP posts, I will NOT agree to it, in its entirety”

    Got a problem with that?

  76. JC

    The more you think about the more retarded the libs position becomes. They spent 5 years pushing the view about Liars party out of control spending . They then have the temerity of underwriting it with a tax levy rather than spending cuts. Unfuckingbelieveable.

  77. Oh come on

    Tasmanian senator-elect Jacqui Lambie has compared the Coalition’s paid parental leave scheme to eugenics. Ms Lambie accused the government’s generous scheme of attempting to discourage poor people from having children.

    Let’s apply the Senator-elect’s logic to other circumstances:

    The existence of high salaried positions discourages poorly paid people from working.

    Fat people who eat too much discourages skinny people from eating properly.

    People with oversized houses means more homelessness.

  78. MemoryVault

    All you loyal disciples of the Professor

    That lets me off then.
    My proudest moment here was when he lost it and called me a fuckwit.
    Proved I haven’t lost my touch.

  79. old bloke

    *It’s still theoretically possible that this is just a Credlin thought bubble / distraction / kite flying exercise and that Hockey666 won’t inflict a massive new tax next month.

    Yes, Hockey may be just testing the waters and we’ll see nothing of the new tax in the budget, but why on earth was it mentioned in the first place?

    Similarly, why the scare about starving age pensioners to death as a budget saving measure? This government is a walking PR disaster, who on earth is managing their PR?

  80. Sinclair Davidson

    I did not “call” you a fuckwit, I “labelled” you a fuckwit. Just saying.

  81. MemoryVault

    Similarly, why the scare about starving age pensioners to death as a budget saving measure?

    Simples, Old bloke.
    It’s to lay the groundwork for them to abscond with the $1.6 trillion in the super funds.
    Just like they did in the 60′s.
    I’ve explained it all before.
    That’s when the perfessor called me a fuckwit.

  82. MemoryVault

    CORRECTION

    When the good perfessor labelled me a fuckwit.
    My apologies.

  83. Hendrix

    Why the fuck didn’t Abbott just scrap the paid parental leave scheme instead of fiddling around the edges which has impressed no-one? If ever there’s a big spending policy just begging to be scrapped then surely that’s it?

    Read in the Age today (I was in a cafe) a profile of some woman from Footscray who stood to get $40,000 dollars of taxpayers money if her and her partner choose to have a baby. Does she support Tony Abbott’s PPL scheme? No. Does she support the tax increase? Only if it went to helping refugees and building bike paths and train lines. Why the fuck does Abbott pander to these people?

  84. DrBeauGan

    IT has been telling us for yonks that Abbott is useless. I’d say the evidence is in and confirms IT as a man of sound judgment as well as having sparkling wit.

    All politicians are to be considered the enemy unless they post here.

  85. MemoryVault

    Why the fuck does Abbott pander to these people?

    He just wants to be loved by them.

    Ask Marilyn

  86. JC

    Vault

    So you’re saying they’re trial ballooning a tax which gathers around say 10 billion over 3 years or so, but they’re really trying to confiscate the 2 trillion super hoard.

    Interesting.

  87. James B

    ‘Red’ Tony is paying for Labor’s big government welfare schemes by taxing hard working people just trying to get ahead.

    What an absolute dickhead. One Term Tony.

  88. MemoryVault

    JC

    I was referring more to Old Bloke asking about scaring old age pensioners with stories about starving them to death. Yes, the Plan is to effectively transfer the $1.6 trillion in super funds, indirectly into General Revenue, to fund “infrastructure spending”, whatever that is.

    Hockey explained precisely how it will be done in his very first TV appearance after being made Treasurer. Cormann is fleshing out the details as we speak.

  89. Rousie

    Whether by design or by good fortune the LNP have accomplished one good thing wrt talk of a debt levy.
    They have reframed and personalised the tradeoff involving prolific govt spending.
    People by and large are now looking at govt spending through the lens of being personal guarantor, rather than being insulated from some large number that govt (or anyone but them) is somehow responsible for.
    They are commonly saying why should they pay more only to have it wasted on Windmills, grants, UN, ABC, ppl, etc etc.

    So poor PR in the lead up to the budget, granted, but perhaps a clever way to get widespread buyin on deep cuts to leftard causes. Hell they could even claim bipartisan support in not raising taxes.

    The electoral damage of breaking a promise and taking a tax increase to a Senate that will reject it all for $3B a year just doesn’t add up.

  90. Tom

    It’s a huge shame that it was Palmer that saw the vacuum in politics and filled it with his not inconsiderable frame. LDP are still in the starting gate.

    The fracturing of the right has accelerated in the past 24 hours. Get your act together, David Leyonhjelm, or you’ll piss away hundreds of thousands votes looking for a new home.

  91. James B

    Why is this government so intent on punishing families where the father works and mother stays at home and raises the kids? Why do we want more people “working”, why does the government need to engage in social engineering? Childcare is bad for kids compared to genuine care by a parent.

    Why do I have to pay taxes to support other people’s kids going to childcare, when my wife stays at home and looks after them and always will? Wasn’t Tony supposed to be a social conservative, and not a far-left mega-statist? Why doesn’t he cut back on childcare spending to fix the deficit?

  92. Andrew

    Good to hear some staffers from offices have said there have been non-stop calls about this deficit levy to MPs offices.

  93. Rudiau

    China poised to pass US as world’s leading economic power this year

    The US is on the brink of losing its status as the world’s largest economy, and is likely to slip behind China this year, sooner than widely anticipated, according to the world’s leading statistical agencies.

    The US has been the global leader since overtaking the UK in 1872. Most economists previously thought China would pull ahead in 2019.

    ….

    Having compared the actual cost of living in different countries, the report also found that the four most expensive countries to live in are Switzerland, Norway, Bermuda and Australia, with the cheapest being Egypt, Pakistan, Myanmar and Ethiopia.

    Yeah well big whoop, we’ll lead the pack next year.

  94. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    Good point Memory Vault.

    There is no way they will be able to restrain themselves from grabbing at superannuation. It’s in their nature to take the path of least resistance, and Abbott and Sloppy Joe have shown that they think it’s easier to tax their supporters than cut funding to their enemies.

    The only thing that stops them is a strong community response. Gillard and Swan retreated quickly from increasing taxes on superannuation because of the instant and loud community response. They went and took money from higher education instead – much less resistance from the unloved academics.

    We have to respond to this appalling tax grab loudly and clearly. Grassroots resistance got rid of Malcolm Turnbull when he lost touch with the Liberal Party base, we have to show Abbott it could happen to him if he doesn’t sharpen up.

    Also, Memory Vault, Sinclair once ‘labelled’ me a troll and told me to go read another blog when I took him up on something. Perhaps we could recommend him for one of those ‘giving and receiving feedback’ courses they run in workplaces to prevent the ruffling of feathers at performance appraisal time.

  95. harrys on the boat

    David could be savvy and get in the media proclaiming to be the only true liberal, spruiking the LDP’s economic policies.

    Don’t know if it will work, but its a golden opportunity.

  96. Stan

    LDP is now the only party even remotely close to sensible. So it’s either the LDP forms government (or somehow dramatically influences policy) or I move back overseas and take my tax dollars with me.

  97. Sinclair Davidson

    Sinclair once ‘labelled’ me a troll and told me to go read another blog when I took him up on something.

    I don’t recall, but you definitely had it coming. I’m sure Gab and JC will remind you how you provoked me. :)

    I was once sent on one of those get in touch with your feelings training courses. People still talk about it and chuckle.

  98. MartinG

    old bloke

    The LDP is starting to look much more appealing, or a move within the LNP to push Scott Morrison up the ladder.

    Abbott needs to be removed before he does any more damage.

  99. Two quotes from Philip Marlowe, Professor:

    “I don’t mind if you don’t like my manners. They’re pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings.” —The Big Sleep.

    “I’m afraid I don’t like your manners,” [Lyndsay Marriott] said, using the edge of his voice.
    “I’ve had complaints about it,” I said. “But nothing seems to do any good.” —
    Farewell, My Lovely.

  100. Dr Faustus

    “Get your act together, David Leyonhjelm, or you’ll piss away hundreds of thousands votes looking for a new home.”

    +1

    The tragedy is that they will likely pass to the Katter/Palmer freakshow.

  101. calli

    Sinclair, you once told me to “f**k off”. But it was in the best possible taste, so no hard feelings. :D

    As I recall, I laughed so loud the beloved popped his head round the corner to find out what was so funny.

  102. Oh come on

    To those quite reasonably bucketing shit on TA – what would he have to do to walk this catastrophe back (assuming you think it can be walked back)? If you think he can salvage his government’s reputation, how long do you think the window’s going to stay open for?

    Surely there’s a point where it doesn’t matter if he backs down; the damage has already been done. Perhaps we’re past that point already.

  103. lem

    Abbott needs to be removed before he does any more damage.

    He is a total fuckwit, and either needs to be pulled into line or removed. Evidence of pulling into line would include totally junk the PPL which BTW all the conservatives I know hate as a policy, and dump the levy. Then never ever mention increasing appropriations again.

    In the meantime, and because I doubt the LNP will get their shit together, a huge opening exists for another party to siphon off conservative voters who can’t bring themselves to tick the Liars party or pup loony tunes boxes. if that is the DLP they should be getting their shit together right now.

  104. lem

    Surely there’s a point where it doesn’t matter if he backs down; the damage has already been done. Perhaps we’re past that point already.

    JUNK IT ALL TOMORROW. Then they might get keep my vote. But they would have to keep the catholic socialist on a very short leash.

  105. lem

    Fuck off Anne, it was a typo.

  106. Hendrix

    To those quite reasonably bucketing shit on TA – what would he have to do to walk this catastrophe back (assuming you think it can be walked back)? If you think he can salvage his government’s reputation, how long do you think the window’s going to stay open for?

    Surely there’s a point where it doesn’t matter if he backs down; the damage has already been done. Perhaps we’re past that point already.

    Before today, I would have said he could regretfully scrap the PPL and simply not announce any debt levy on budget night. Now, having fiddled with the PPL, which makes any more changes to that much harder, now I’m not sure.

  107. egg_

    To those quite reasonably bucketing shit on TA – what would he have to do to walk this catastrophe back (assuming you think it can be walked back)? If you think he can salvage his government’s reputation, how long do you think the window’s going to stay open for?

    Too late.
    The numpties should have been following Howard’s playbook from his first term – do the hard yards first – KRudd was also a softc*ck and caved in to popularity in his first term; his last term’s policies, even if rubbery, were due to a solid opposition outfit.
    TA forgets he owes his scalp to Julie Bishop in light of the ‘misogyny’ onslaught that was taking hold.

  108. Senile Old Guy

    OCO:

    Surely there’s a point where it doesn’t matter if he backs down; the damage has already been done. Perhaps we’re past that point already.

    I think we may be past that point already. The debt tax has not been denied and considerable (changing) details about it have been floated. And Abbott has publicly tried to claim that a short term levy is not a new tax. After “no new taxes and no surprises”, this is a very bad look for Abbott. It’s not a surprise from Hockey, but Abbott is the one that put the torch to Rudd, and especially Gillard, for this kind of behaviour.

    Essential now has 2PP with Labor over Coalition 52:48. Expect to see that gap widen in coming polls.

  109. brc

    We have to respond to this appalling tax grab loudly and clearly. Grassroots resistance got rid of Malcolm Turnbull when he lost touch with the Liberal Party base, we have to show Abbott it could happen to him if he doesn’t sharpen up.

    If you haven’t yet gone to http://aph.gov.au and found your local lib MP you are part of the problem. Go there, send them a message. Keep it short and to the point – don’t break promuses, don’t raise taxes.

  110. lem

    Before today, I would have said he could regretfully scrap the PPL and simply not announce any debt levy on budget night. Now, having fiddled with the PPL, which makes any more changes to that much harder, now I’m not sure.

    With respect, bullshit. The PPL was a dumb idea and never a vote winner. Now that it looks like he is negotiating with the Greens, they’ll be photoshopping Abbott’s head onto Gillard’s body in those famous photos of her shaking hands with Bob Brown after the 2010 election. The Liars will have a field day with that!

    All he has to say is..Look we can’t get support for the PPL we wanted BECAUSE the Liars and Greens are holding us to ransom..so we’re BEING FORCED TO JUNK IT. By those deadshits over there. IT’s not our fault!

    And the levy? Just say it appears it won’t be going through the senate because of THOSE DEADSHITS OVER THERE. So we are going to cut spending.

    How hard can this be??

  111. johanna

    Hey lem, before you start abusing people, you do realise that there is a party called the DLP with a Senator (John Madigan) currently sitting?

    So your typo actually mattered.

  112. lem

    Johanna, obviously the answer is YES

  113. I am the Walrus, koo koo k'choo

    I don’t recall, but you definitely had it coming. I’m sure Gab and JC will remind you how you provoked me.

    So you lose your temper, then blame your victim for it.

  114. Oh come on

    Herald-Sun reader John weighs in on the matter:

    I’m all for rich people coughing up a bit more dough so we can get out of Labor’s debt, but Abbott broke a promise.

    Dear lord, we make these people vote.

  115. Fisky

    Abbott’s fundamental insight that got him the leadership was “reach out by all means, but stay close to your base”. This tax hike shows he’s getting rusty.

  116. Dave Wane

    If this tax ends up getting up, it will show us all how serious, and apparently incurable, the cancer of Big Government has become. And just when many of us had very tentatively thought Australia was at last being governed by a government that was committed to drastically reducing the size of government, we are once again confronted with a Big Government that wants to increase taxes. Extremely disappointing. Disgustingly weak, and economically and politically dangerous.

  117. lem

    Extremely disappointing. Disgustingly weak, and economically and politically dangerous.

    I made a significant donation to the Liberals prior to the last election for the first time in my life because I was so concerned about the incompetance and corruption of the rudd/gillard governments. I think there were probably a lot of people like me who did the same. And it is not the big donors who withdraw from you that matter, it is the small ones. Because each $1000 is one vote. Doesn’t matter how much Gina gives. She only has one vote. And this is why Abbott is such a fuckwit. The game has changed, more people are engaged, and informed. If he pisses off all the people that woke up from napping over the last decade or so and came to support him, by being exactly like the slapper, he is done for.

    And I tell you, it took me a lot to get over my reservations about him. It will take less for me to dump him.

  118. old bloke

    It’s to lay the groundwork for them to abscond with the $1.6 trillion in the super funds. Just like they did in the 60′s. I’ve explained it all before.

    MV, I’m coming up for retirement soon and I don’t want the Feds absconding with my hard earned. I haven’t seen your previous posts on this matter, could I trouble you for a link?

  119. Anne

    Iem, that was rough. It’s possible you meant the Democrats.

    I expected you might clarify.

    Thanks for defending me Johanna.

  120. Pedro

    I think we ought to reserve judgement till we see the budget. Nothing much is announced as yet. It would clearly be terrible if tax rises were funding the majority of the deficit reduction, but a temporary and small tax increase would be acceptable if part of the sugar for a medicinal spending reduction.

    Problem for Abbott is that he promised to keep all the big spending. If he’s going to break promises he should do it big time and actually do some budgetary good, but I don’t hold out much hope. Though Hockey has seemed better than I’d feared so far.

  121. jupes

    Tasmanian senator-elect Jacqui Lambie goes full retard:

    I nominate Jacqui as the dumbest person in parliament.

    And that includes all the Greens.

  122. CatAttack

    I hate this idea for the same reason I hated the flood levy. It’s lazy and sends all the wrong messages. The flood levy said to me don’t bother about personal charity because the government will take it from you regardless.

    It also continues to promote this notion that people that are receiving salaries not much more than the average wage after tax are rich and a soft touch. I’ll bet most people earning $80,000 have few opportunities to reduce tax but they are all lumped together with millionaire tax avoiders.

    The labor party have already written their ads for the next election. I pray he comes to his senses and soon.

  123. Pedro

    “I hate this idea for the same reason I hated the flood levy. It’s lazy and sends all the wrong messages. The flood levy said to me don’t bother about personal charity because the government will take it from you regardless.”

    Ummm, you going to say the same thing about the pension or the dole? I thought the flood levy said that there was a surprise hit to expenditure because of the insurance aspect of govt spending and general public role and the levy was a way to pay for that temporarily. It’s no different to a WW2 levy.

  124. RexR

    Here’s some good tax news though

    Fuel tax credit ‘firmly in sights’ of Coalition’s budget razor gang

    If Abbott is going to spend all his potitical capital in one go, he may as well ditch that unfair subsidy to miners that makes my four wheel driving roo polo throwing fun more expensive than it needs to be. I should think it would also get the Libertarian stamp of approval too no?

  125. lem

    Sorry Anne.

    I expected you might clarify.

    you’re right I should have. It just seemed obvious to me it was a typo. I’m not routinely mistaken for being left leaning. No hard feelings.

  126. Anne

    Not at all. You’re quite forgiven.

  127. Oh come on

    If Abbott is going to spend all his potitical capital in one go, he may as well ditch that unfair subsidy to miners that makes my four wheel driving roo polo throwing fun more expensive than it needs to be. I should think it would also get the Libertarian stamp of approval too no?

    Why is it unfair? Fuel excise is to pay for public road upkeep. The vast majority of the fuel that the mining sector uses powers engines on minesites.

    Why do you think the fuel excise exemption for mining operators make your motoring more expensive? Also, can’t farmers claim it, too?

  128. entropy

    The flood levy said to me don’t bother about personal charity because the government will take it from you regardless

    It’s true. Premier’s relief fund was going gangbusters until the levy was announced. Donations dried up straight after, and the next disaster nobody donated when it was set up again. everyone was expecting another levy. A classic example of crowding out by government.

    The flood levy was made even worse when TLS announced that if you had received the $1000 handout for losing power during the floods, you would be exempt from paying the tax. People that weren’t planning on claiming because they didn’t really need it suddenly lined up at centrelink to make a claim. Underlining that you were a numpty if you didn’t take the handout, you were actually penalised for not doing so. TLS would have to be the stupidest Prime Minister we have ever had.

    Now Abbott is giving her a run for her money. Even with her stirling examples of what not to do when you are PM he still has to repeat the same mistakes.

  129. Oh come on

    WA rebelled against the ALP in fear of the damage their mining tax would do to the sector. We voted in the LNP to get rid of this job and investment-killing monstrosity.

    And what do we get for our allegiance? The abolition of a perfectly reasonable tax deduction that will add billions of dollars of job and investment-killing additional expense to mining operators.

    Surely the Nats will walk out of the coalition over this?

  130. MemoryVault

    MV, I’m coming up for retirement soon and I don’t want the Feds absconding with my hard earned. I haven’t seen your previous posts on this matter, could I trouble you for a link?

    Old Bloke

    The Libs intend creating a Treasury Financial Instrument called an “Infrastructure Bond” or some such. It will have a “guaranteed return” sufficient to make it attractive to private superannuation funds. Laws will be enacted to make it possible, and encourage, super funds to invest in these bonds. The super fund buys the bonds, and the funds are transferred to General Revenue to invest in infrastructure.

    The number of times that government-style infrastructure investment has ever returned a net profit can be counted on the fingers of half a hand, so the chances of these infrastructure bonds ever supporting themselves as an investment are pretty much zilch. The end result is probably best explained in this clip from South Park.

    I’m not in any way an investment advisor, so I can only tell you what I did. Once I reached preservation age I drew most of it out and put it where the grubbermint can’t get ther hands on it.

    Hockey fully explained the “need” to “allow” Australians to “invest” in public infrastructure, via their superannuation funds, in his very first public appearance (on ABC, I think), right after being named Treasurer. Mathias Cormann (Finance Minister) has – or at least had, more on the nuts and bolts of the scheme on his website.

    Sorry, no links. I don’t do other people’s homework.

  131. Oh come on

    It should be noted that Abbott broke a second promise today by watering down the PPL scheme he took the the last election.

    He needs to try and get the PPL scheme he promised voters through the parliament. Anything else is a betrayal of voter trust.

  132. Gab

    Sorry, no links. I don’t do other people’s homework.

    Weasel words. Sounds as though you’re just making stuff up. If you make a claim then it is your responsibility to back up your claim when challenged. I’ve had a quick look via Google and cannot find any reference to Abbott doing what you say he will do.

  133. stackja

    ALP trolls around here?

  134. old bloke

    Thanks MV. Super funds were required to invest a percentage of their funds in Commonwealth Bonds. I don’t know if this is still the case.

  135. CatAttack

    Pedro. I have no problem with paying a flood levy per se if EVERYONE pays the flood levy to the best of their ability.

    As an aside the reason I hated the carbon tax apart from it being ineffective is it penalised ‘rich’ folk irrespective of their contribution to CO2. So as a person who drives a small car, doesn’t have air conditioning and doesn’t own a drier I subsidised the man down the road with a large 4 wheel drive and an air conditioned home. Nuts.

  136. .

    RexR
    #1286710, posted on April 30, 2014 at 8:19 pm
    Here’s some good tax news though

    Fuel tax credit ‘firmly in sights’ of Coalition’s budget razor gang

    If Abbott is going to spend all his potitical capital in one go, he may as well ditch that unfair subsidy to miners that makes my four wheel driving roo polo throwing fun more expensive than it needs to be. I should think it would also get the Libertarian stamp of approval too no?

    Rex Ringschott is a rolled-gold idiot.

    NOT paying a road user tax for roads you don’t use, is a subsidy?

    Does that mean by not paying Canadian taxes, we’re being subsidised by Canada? Say it ain’t so, Rex.

  137. Oh come on

    I’m still waiting for Rex’s explanation on how the agricultural and mining fuel excise exemption makes his motoring more expensive, Dot.

  138. To those quite reasonably bucketing shit on TA – what would he have to do to walk this catastrophe back (assuming you think it can be walked back)? If you think he can salvage his government’s reputation, how long do you think the window’s going to stay open for?

    Surely there’s a point where it doesn’t matter if he backs down; the damage has already been done. Perhaps we’re past that point already.

    Some damage has been done but if he drops it today then the damage will be minimal. The changes to the PPL were strategically announced to take oxygen away from this issue, so they may already be walking it back.

    What he needs to do, honestly, is purge his inner sanctum of advisors, who don’t understand the value of core principles and who keep pushing him towards progressive policies, bipartisanship, olive branches, and general feel-goodery which does him no good at all.

  139. Oh come on

    The changes to the PPL were strategically announced to take oxygen away from this issue

    I assumed that was why the PPL announcement was made today, but if they thought such an insignificant sop to nobody would actually be effective, well…what you said about starting afresh with a new set of advisors. They’re either horrendously bad at their jobs, or Abbott sucks at his.

  140. ev425128

    Old Bloke (and others), MV is a regular poster at JoNova, and, if my memory serves correctly, was a regular poster here (with a lengthy hiatus).

    And from experience, the nickname is appropriate.

    On topic, email sent to a bloke who put his balls on the line when it really counted – Mitch Fifield. Asked him to do it again.,

  141. Fisky

    What he needs to do, honestly, is purge his inner sanctum of advisors, who don’t understand the value of core principles and who keep pushing him towards progressive policies, bipartisanship, olive branches, and general feel-goodery which does him no good at all.

    Reaching out is an excellent thing, but not if it imposes significant costs on the base. Bill Clinton was a master at this kind of tactic where he would adopt all these “right-wing” policies to give himself more maneuverability (like compulsory school uniforms or whatever) that are in substance almost meaningless. Abbott was on the right track with a good mix of symbolic gestures such as the indigenous referendum and hardline base-pleasing policies on the boats and carbon tax, which had the added benefit of being popular with the mainstream. Now he’s threatening to destroy his authority.

  142. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Also, can’t farmers claim it, too

    Yes – worth between eight to ten thousand dollars a year to me, and it is the ONLY tax concession I get, while competing with my heavily subsidized American Counterparts.

  143. Gab

    MV is a regular poster at JoNova,

    That’s nice. Why is that relevant here though?

  144. .

    Oh come on
    #1286749, posted on April 30, 2014 at 8:59 pm
    I’m still waiting for Rex’s explanation on how the agricultural and mining fuel excise exemption makes his motoring more expensive, Dot.

    Haha

    The stupid arsehole doesn’t realise he’s asking for a subsidy…what a freaking muppet.

  145. The Pugilist

    Abbott/Hockey cannot take a big stick to the economy in its current fragile state. It would destroy the country, especially small business.

    TP, What do you think raising taxes does for the country, you fool???

  146. Yes – worth between eight to ten thousand dollars a year to me, and it is the ONLY tax concession I get,

    while competing with my heavily subsidized American Counterparts.

    You shouldn’t be paying it in the first place.
    As it stands now, you are making an interest free loan to the commonwealth.

  147. Tom

    the reason I hated the carbon tax apart from it being ineffective is it penalised ‘rich’ folk irrespective of their contribution to CO2.

    The reason I hated the carbon tax is that it celebrated the mental illness of the drooling fucktards who were too stupid to realise they had become the 21st century anti-civilisationist goat-herding’ pimps of the Australian Communist Party.

  148. .

    TP
    #1286319, posted on April 30, 2014 at 3:26 pm
    TP: please fuck off with your incoherent bullshit.
    Oh Come On. With your language you sound like a inner city lefty socialist. If Abbott had taxed the lower income earners he would have been crucified. Now that he going to hit the wealthy he is being lambasted by the likes of you & others on this site. Abbott/Hockey cannot take a big stick to the economy in its current fragile state. It would destroy the country, especially small business. One minute all the people on this site love the LNP, now it seems that policies which are not liked by the Professor are supported by his disciples.

    Hilarious. Removing wage regulation, excise and income tax would destroy businesses!

    TP is now the title bearing champ of dumbest troll.

  149. MemoryVault

    I’ve had a quick look via Google and cannot find any reference to Abbott doing what you say he will do.

    GAB,

    Might pay to learn how to read.
    I never mentioned Abbott. I wrote about HOCKEY in (I think) his first interview after being named Treasurer. It was on the ABC and it will be somewhere in here.

    And no, I’m not going to go through 2900 articles to find it for you.

    As an aside, I note that last week the QLD grubbermint managed to flog off sell the Clem 7 White Elephant Tunnel to a consortium. One of the principal investors was Australian Super. Seems a pointless exercise having to “prove” to some people, that which is already happening right under their noses.

  150. .

    One of the principal investors was Australian Super.

    Industry Funds are run only to benefit Unions and overpaid lardarsed union officials. Something is obviously fishy with that deal.

  151. tomix

    Memory Vault, you mentioned the CES being founded in 1946 and abolished in 1998.
    My memory only goes back to 1972 and I remember something called the Department of Social Services.
    The offices had jobs boards with removable cards, the staff gave you the contact details, and you took it from there. They also handled pensions.

    My recall is the Fraser Gov’t split it into CES and DSS after 1975. By then numbers receiving the dole had risen from 3,000 to 500,000+.

  152. MemoryVault

    Old Bloke (and others), MV is a regular poster at JoNova,

    Correction – WAS a regular poster at JoNova.
    MV doesn’t mind moderation of comments, but MV does not post on sites that “disappear” comments without explanation.
    MV doesn’t post at John Crook’s Cook’s Septic Science, for the same reason.

    And you’re right, Gab – totally irrelevant here.

  153. Gab

    I never mentioned Abbott. I wrote about HOCKEY

    MEMORY VAULT

    I stand corrected on that (however will I show my gravatar here again? :( )

    And no, I’m not going to go through 2900 articles to find it for you.

    Regardless, you claim Hockey/Abbott are proposing to raid the super fund to build infrastructure.

    This is what you wrote:

    Yes, the Plan is to effectively transfer the $1.6 trillion in super funds, indirectly into General Revenue, to fund “infrastructure spending”, whatever that is.

    Hockey explained precisely how it will be done in his very first TV appearance after being made Treasurer. Cormann is fleshing out the details as we speak.

    Given you appear to have some knowledge of this alleged matter, it is not unreasonable to ask for a formal source to back up your claims. You cannot back it up then it is untrue or you have misread/misheard.

  154. Sinclair Davidson

    So you lose your temper, then blame your victim for it.

    Is that wrong?

  155. MemoryVault

    Something is obviously fishy with that deal.

    $7 BILLION for a tunnel that takes vehicles from one gridlock traffic jam and deposits it another gridlock traffic jam, that has now gone bankrupt twice?
    An “investment”??????

    Nah, nothing fishy there, Dot.

  156. tomix

    The dole paid $3.00 p/w in 1972. Not worth being an unemployed lion tamer when a casual day was worth $10 cash [what's that?] and a pot of beer was 19c. Whitlam raised it to $19.00 p/w in early 1973 and bingo- by 1974 it was$36.00 p/w. and 250,000 were getting a weekly cheque in the mail.

  157. Rabz

    I was once sent on one of those get in touch with your feelings training courses. People still talk about it and chuckle.

    Sinc, I had a similar experience on one those – I almost ended up decking the fat hippies running it and actually ended up storming out midway on the second (yes) day.

    One of the most infuriating experiences of my entire life.

  158. I nominate Jacqui as the dumbest person in parliament.

    The stories up the NW coast are apparently not complimentary.

    Still, on this issue she is correct. The only advantage the PPL scheme has over the baby bonus is the eugenic one. It’s not wrong to do something to result in better bred kids, its just been out of fashion since it got mixed up with the wrong crowd in WWII. Bloody expensive lever though; there are a hell of a lot more efficient levers to pull once people wake up to the significance of genetics in the human context again.

  159. egg_

    Yup, time for Morrison to fire up the APS shredder, likely a vote getter.

  160. Anne

    Why would you do that Rabz?

    Go there I mean.

  161. Sinclair Davidson

    Rabz – the secret is to make them suffer more than you.

  162. MemoryVault

    My recall is the Fraser Gov’t split it into CES and DSS after 1975.

    Your recall function is faulty, tomix.

    The Dept of Social Services existed in one form or another almost since Federation.
    It was revamped into the Dept of Social Security in 1972 under the Whitlam admin.
    It was then morphed into Centrelink under Howard in 1998.
    Centrelink is currently being absorbed into the mega department “Human Services”.
    It has existed in its various forms to oversee government handout payments, starting originally with (I think) Child Endowment payments.

    The CES was a completely different organsiation, formed in 1946 and “privatised” in 1998, as explained above. Your recollections from 1972 of offices with jobs on cards on boards are memories of CES offices. You confusion comes from the fact that back in those days Social Services/Social Security had no suburban or regional offices, only an HQ in the CBD. The CES acted as an Agent for all pension enquiries and suchlike, in much the same way Post Offices hand out tax return forms today.

    In 1972-73, on discharge from Nashos, I worked for a time at CES Mt Hawthorn, Perth.
    I wrote up the job cards stuck on the wall, and referred enquirers to the jobs.
    I also handled pension and child endowment queries.

  163. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    you shouldn’t be paying it in the first place

    The debate that brought that legislation in, featured some of the stupidest questions ever asked in Parliament by a certain ex Democrat, who later joined the Labor Party, that I have ever heard.

  164. Rabz

    Sinc, they were shall we say, totally insufferable.

  165. Tel

    Interesting that people who seem to otherwise understand the concept of marginal returns on a supply/demand curve don’t grasp at the idea of a marginal voter.

    Swinging electorates get the pork. Been the rule since forever.

  166. Hendrix

    And the levy? Just say it appears it won’t be going through the senate because of THOSE DEADSHITS OVER THERE.

    What? And let them take all the credit?

  167. brc

    If anyone wants to have a go at trimming budgets, have a look at the http://strongchoices.qld.gov.au site. This gives you the levers over the state budget to sack public sector employees, increase taxes, sell down assets and the like. My first two goes I didn’t get anywhere near the debt reduction required.

    Pity there are o direct action policies to scrap at the state level.

    The website is a good concept at explaining the difficulties In unwinding handouts.

  168. Oh come on

    Still, on this issue she is correct. The only advantage the PPL scheme has over the baby bonus is the eugenic one.

    Nah, she’s not. If anything the PPL scheme is a minor inducement to wealthier women to have children. Not at all like the ironclad incentive of guaranteed extra bucks in the bank per additional baby, courtesy of the FTB.

  169. Hendrix

    Before today, I would have said he could regretfully scrap the PPL and simply not announce any debt levy on budget night. Now, having fiddled with the PPL, which makes any more changes to that much harder, now I’m not sure.

    With respect, bullshit. The PPL was a dumb idea and never a vote winner. Now that it looks like he’s negotiating with the Greens, they’ll be photoshopping Abbott’s head onto Gillard’s body in those famous photos of her shaking hands with Bob Brown after the 2010 election. The Liars will have a field day with that!

    All he has to say is..Look we can’t get support for the PPL we wanted BECAUSE the Liars and Greens are holding us to ransom..so we’re BEING FORCED TO JUNK IT. By those deadshits over there. IT’s not our fault!

    And the levy? Just say it appears it won’t be going through the senate because of THOSE DEADSHITS OVER THERE. So we are going to cut spending.

    How hard can this be??

    Don’t see why you’re calling bullshit. I’m saying scrap the PPL and scrap the levy. And Before today’s announcement re. PPL, that would have been easier. What’s the problem?

  170. Gab

    Speaking of PPL, how is it there is never any mention of the women in the public service – includes Parliament and the ABC – who receive six month’s full pay for maternity leave? And has been the case for many years. There’s something that ought to be stopped along with the PPL.

  171. Nah, she’s not. If anything the PPL scheme is a minor inducement to wealthier women to have children. Not at all like the ironclad incentive of guaranteed extra bucks in the bank per additional baby, courtesy of the FTB.

    If you analyse those two policies from a eugenic perspective, the PPL is better, both because of the additional inducement at the top end and the reduced inducement at the bottom.

    It’s still not overly effective; the idea of returning a couple years income tax is more so, but not nearly as effective or efficient as taking a few steps back from the flawed ideas of human equalisation.

  172. Notafan

    I think it might be three months Gab, though it might be more at their ABC.

  173. Gab

    I heard it was six months’ full pay or 12 months half pay.

  174. brc

    Just allow couples with young children to income split. Easy done, and it advantages two-parent families who keep the kiddies at home.

  175. Notafan

    Maternity leave act is 12 weeks full pay or 24 weeks half pay though some departments seem to have added 4 weeks full pay as party of agency agreements

  176. Splatacrobat

    My recall is the Fraser Gov’t split it into CES and DSS after 1975.

    CES = Potential lifters
    DSS = Permanent leaners

  177. johanna

    Gab, in the Commonwealth permanent female staff get up to 12 weeks of paid maternity leave. Their jobs are held for them for up to 2 years (which is a real pain if you are a manager with a small staff).

  178. Oh come on

    If you analyse those two policies from a eugenic perspective,

    Now why on god’s green earth would you want to do that?

  179. Oh come on

    Don’t forget Lambie’s original claim was that PPL was an attempt to discourage poor people from having children.

  180. Combine_Dave

    Aren’t we already sending truckloads of our tax monies to mothers already?

    Family assistance/single mother payments etc.

    To me it’s not that wrong for tax paying mothers to receieve sone of that money back (although I’d prefer that tax was simply reduced) while those that have never paid currently receive government largesse to stay home and pump out four or five kids (sometines ten) of future welfare dependent types.

  181. tomix

    MemoryVault

    #1286828, posted on April 30, 2014 at 10:10 pm
    Your recollections from 1972 of offices with jobs on cards on boards are memories of CES offices. You confusion comes from the fact that back in those days Social Services/Social Security had no suburban or regional offices, only an HQ in the CBD

    That’s not right. There was a Department of Social Services Office at 3 Hubert St. Woolloongabba and another one on the corner of Albert and Charlotte St. diagonally opposite where Gilhooleys is now.

    I remember it with that name 6 months before Whitlam got into office.

    You make shit up, Memory Vault.

  182. Senile Old Guy

    It would clearly be terrible if tax rises were funding the majority of the deficit reduction, but a temporary and small tax increase would be acceptable if part of the sugar for a medicinal spending reduction.

    But then we get this:

    A fund to help Victorian and South Australian industry navigate the planned exit of the major car makers has been increased to $155 million. “This $155 million growth fund will include money for skills recognition, money for employment services, money to help businesses transition to new markets,” Mr Abbott told reporters in Geelong. “There will also be funding for businesses which are seeking to innovate and some limited funding for local infrastructure. “The objective as always is to maximise prosperity, maximise employment, to build on the inherent creativity of businesses … (and) it’s about helping workers to go from good jobs to better jobs.”

    Most people who want better jobs have to organise it themselves, as does a business wanting to innovate. For some (inexplicable) reason, the car industry is different.

    And for this we may pay a deficit tax?

  183. Jazza

    I agree it will be political suicide if implemented and even talking about it has badly dented Abbott’s public persona.
    I cannot understand WHY we get Liberals more socialist than Liberal the minute they have a little power, when we voted for the real deal as we thought!
    So maddening!

    Tony and Joe need to realise they are playing the left’s game with NO hope of any reward of votes from that quarter whatever they do–WHATEVER they do or DON’T do-is the salient point!

    Instead they are going to punish the loyal voters and still expect the loyal votes, while this country pays out for green wt dreams and excessive foreign aid along with sinecures and welfare over the top?

    Well, it will be a one term Liberal government–sadly, when it could have been soo much BETTER!

    Leave the green gravy train and the ABC gravy train alone and punish hard workers alone,while bludgers and leftist liars thrive, Tony, and you are GONE-
    -my vote and donation will be the first lost –
    and under fairer circumstances–say, a half % levy on everything above $40.000 taxable annually, along with the real lower spending changes,the fat cut from ALL areas, and I’d still be a loyal Liberal, but it is not looking good from here……

  184. Driftforge

    Now why on god’s green earth would you want to do that?

    Because you care more about results than appearances?

    Because if you ignore long term consequences, you suffer on a generational level?

  185. mundi

    They were on abc radio Brisbane this morning pretty much admitting they won’t be cutting spending that hurts ‘any families’ but will be increasing tax so that the wealthy ‘pay their share’.

    Honestly thought I was listening to labor. This is just pathetic.

  186. Senile Old Guy

    Greg Sheridan:

    But he also may share the sacrifice by imposing a temporary levy on high-income earners. If Abbott’s side of politics cannot wear such a modest contribution to addressing the crisis by some sacrifice from its own supporters, then our prospects for getting our public finances back in order may be bleak.

    So promises on Gonski, the NBN and the NDIS must be kept, even though they are one large piece of the budget problem, but “Abbott’s side” must wear a broken promise on no new taxes; or, levies?

    I agree with one thing Sheridan says: “prospects for getting our public finances back in order may be are bleak”.

    But this levy, sorry tax, will not be temporary. The Lieberals will be out and Liebor and the Greens will hang on to the tax and more.

  187. Helen

    RexR
    #1286710, posted on April 30, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    Here’s some good tax news though

    Fuel tax credit ‘firmly in sights’ of Coalition’s budget razor gang

    If Abbott is going to spend all his potitical capital in one go, he may as well ditch that unfair subsidy to miners that makes my four wheel driving roo polo throwing fun more expensive than it needs to be. I should think it would also get the Libertarian stamp of approval too no?

    Hmm let me see, Abbott would first have to bitumanise all my station roads, and set up solar power on all my bores at no cost to me.

    You see, the Fuel tax Credit was never a subsidy. It is a road levy imposed on public road users to pay for maintenance. As farmers and miners rarely drive on public roads, the tax part is rebated.

    If this is taken away then I will be paying for you to drive on bitumen roads through the fuel I buy to pump water for my cows, or make electricity, or drive on roads I have made doing my normal stock work. Such roads are not public and are essential to my enterprise.

    Shows what happens to a ‘Levy’ over time.

  188. Helen

    Just allow couples with young children to income split. Easy done, and it advantages two-parent families who keep the kiddies at home.

    +1

  189. Up The Workers!

    It really does make you wonder whether ANY of the money filched from the pockets of the lowest-paid unionists in the nation, EVER got spent in furthering THEIR interests, or whether it ALL ended up in the pockets of A.L.P. embezzlers, crooks, liars and frauds.

    And all this going on under the noses of those good little union “bwuvva’s” (as Bull Shitten pronounces it) in the A.T.O., vigorously snoring on the job and ignoring the millions of dollars criminally diverted for purposes of private enrichment, into the cavernous pockets of A.L.P./Union crooks.

    If the Prime Minister wants to fill the national deficit hole that Labor dug, THAT is the place to start, rather than punishing HONEST people for what Labor did.

    How big is the tax assessment the A.T.O. levied on crooked Mike Williamson for the $20 million he stole from the H.S.U.?

    If there hasn’t been one, WHEN are the police going to go through the A.L.P. crooks running the A.T.O., and throw some of them into the same cell as their corrupt former Party National President?

  190. brinkin

    Abbott has done the opposite to what Paul Kelly preaches for the last four years and has done very well, Kelly is a doddering old fool who should be retired.

  191. Bear Necessities

    I just wrote off to my local LNP member that if you raise this levy then you can never complain when the ALP does (and they will get back in sometime). Can someone send Chuck Norris to Canberra an tell him to show no remorse?

  192. .

    Abbott ought to stop the cutting down of our prosperity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdwC4vhc594

  193. Combine_Dave

    s’ but will be increasing tax so that the wealthy ‘pay their share’.

    So this is not kite flying, this is policy. Abbott’s either been rolled on this or has broken a promise.

    It’s not enough for LNP to copy multiple failed policies from the ALP, but they copy their-no-tax promise-breaking then immediate raise said tax approach as well.
    Shorten is probably amazed at his good fortune.

  194. egg_

    Instead they are going to punish the loyal voters and still expect the loyal votes, while this country pays out for green wt dreams and excessive foreign aid along with sinecures and welfare over the top?

    Under such a scenario, better off with a strong LNP opposition – with Morrison as leader, Abbott’s just done his dash.

  195. Senile Old Guy

    Shorten is probably amazed at his good fortune.

    As I said elsewhere, Shorten is now electable, thanks to this huge blunder by the Lieberals.

  196. old bloke

    You make shit up, Memory Vault.

    Thinking back to the 1960s, MV was right. When you finished your school years, you would go down to the CES office to look for jobs. They were a complete waste of time, particularly in the 1960s when there were more job vacancies than prospective employees.

    When we had our first child, we received a princely sum of $2 per fortnight. My wife would go to the local post office agency and produce a card, and I remember the lady stamping the card and handing over the $2 (might have been £2) and complaining that she never received this government largess when she was a young mother.

    The CES existed to provide employment services only, any dealings with DSS, or whatever its name was then, was via the post.

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