Four Prime Ministers in Four Years?

They bring down a budget with a tax increase they said they’d never have and their re-election chances go from 90% to 10%.

Their expertise is politics but mine is economics. Economically it would be utterly unsound, the worst imaginable mistake. The politics we shall see for ourselves but bad economics cannot be good politics.

If Bill becomes PM in 2017, we will have had four Prime Ministers in four years.

The tax increases will be in aid of paying for the NBN, the NDIS, Labor’s stimulus debts and other gross mistakes. The Coalition would be doing what no ALP Prime Minister would ever do. The ALP will just leave this to you so that they can return in three years with the by-then-fresh promise of honest government. We will not lie to you, they will tell us, unlike the Libs. We tell the truth where it counts.

The Prime Minister may have that warm inner glow that he did the right thing, or at least the right thing as he sees it. For the rest of us, all we will see is that he could have been there for a decade and barely made it to three. And the media will make another Coalition government unelectable as far as the eye can see.

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130 Responses to Four Prime Ministers in Four Years?

  1. Jo

    I beleive the Liberal party may have a new leader before the next election.
    The PM seems to have been hit with the same stick as Rudd.

  2. MemoryVault

    I believe the Liberal party may have a new leader before the next election.

    The way Abbott’s going we may have a new PM before the new Senate sits in July.
    That would make four PMs in a single year.
    Surely a record amongst the Commonwealth of Nations.

  3. eb

    bad economics cannot be good politics

    You’re kidding aren’t you? How on Earth do you think we have had endless examples of governments spending like drunken sailors and never really paying the electoral price?

  4. Robbo

    A couple of weeks still to go before the Budget is brought down and nobody seems to realise that floating out possibilities is all part of the game that Governments play. Nothing new in that yet we have a repeat of the outrage that occurs every time. In some commercial circles all of this would be called testing the market. The final product is unlikely to be anything like the rumours and leaks (at least I hope so).

  5. Dave Owen

    I think Tony Abbott’s big mistake was to support all those costly ALP programs just before the election. His should reduce the ABC and get rid of SBS but he can’t. He locked himself into so many bad ALP policies. Some of my friends thought he would be a poor PM and it seems as if they will be proved correct.

  6. Rabz

    We will not lie to you, they will tell us, unlike the Libs.

    Shorten: “I will not lie to you, unlike Rudd and Gillard.”

    Good luck with that.

  7. H B Bear

    People have very short memories. Look at Victoriastan.

    Unless the Liberals are actually going to do what they say on the packet – reduce taxes, reduce the size of government and reduce regulation people aren’t going to distinguish between them and the Greenfilth-Liars, nor should they.

    As others have noted, the Deficit Levy is straight from the tax and spend Labor playbook.

  8. A Lurker

    Any household (or housewife) knows how to manage debt, and that is by reducing spending, especially unnecessary spending.

    As an example you simply do not value add a second bathroom to a house or upgrade cable, when the house itself is riddled with termites, the foundations are dodgy, and the roof leaks. You have to address the base problems first, and in my opinion Australia’s base problem is that we’re spending too much on unnecessary stuff.

    So applying that to Australia, unnecessary spending needs to be curtailed – new projects like the NDIS and the PPL put on the backburner – projects and departments that are constantly chewing up money and not supporting themselves should be binned or rationalised, and everything must be done to assure the structural stability of the economy. People will yell bloody murder, but you can’t help that, the base problems need to be fixed – and all the fluffy things we’d like to have, should be abandoned or postponed in favour of serious and boring stuff that has to be done.

    What should not be done is hinder the country’s (or the home-owner’s capacity) to bring in income to pay for all this. Which means allowing the country (or the home-owner) to have more take-home money, so that money can be spent within the economy – but if you add more taxes, or levies, then people will lose trust in their Government, and won’t feel comfortable about spending, or starting up new business, or doing anything except to go back to polishing up their baseball bats.

  9. EB

    Got no sympathy for anyone who buys into the labor vs liberal thing.

    It’s the political class vs us.

    Government is government and if you can’t see that you’ll be lured back to voting for them soon enough.

  10. Gab

    new projects like the NDIS and the PPL put on the backburner

    Abbott cornered himself by making all those promises before the election, including the NBN and Gonski – knowing full well these were all unfunded and the budget was up tish creek without a paddle. Right from the start Abbott should have just said he agreed in theory with these schemes but implementation would be dependent on the budget review outcome if he was elected. Too late now.

  11. Econocrat

    Abbott will be rolled before the end of 2014.

  12. James

    Is a tax rise more palatable than cutting NDIS, NBN, PPL, etc?

    Delusional LNP. And they know they’ve left us with no choice.

  13. A Lurker

    I don’t think it is too late Gab – the moocher-class will howl, the Lefties will howl, but real people who run real households will understand that some things just cannot be afforded.

    Abbott just needs to speak plainly – perhaps use the house analogy – to explain that these projects aren’t binned, just put aside until the economy improves. Perhaps he could get away with minor implementation – going back to the house analogy, like getting quotes and plans drawn up, but no significant money spent.

  14. MemoryVault

    THE VOLDERMORT PRINCIPLE

    A couple of weeks still to go before the Budget is brought down and nobody seems to realise that floating out possibilities is all part of the game that Governments play.

    Robbo, while I don’t disagree with your logic, in politics there are some things which should never be said out loud – not even in jest. The notion of a “Debt Levy” is one of them. Now that it has been aired the damage is done, regardless of what transpires.

    If it is now introduced – in any form – Abbott has put himself in the same position as Gillard and her Carbon Tax promise. Credibility = zero.

    If he doesn’t, then a central plank in Labor’s next election campaign will be:

    “A vote for Abbott is a vote for a debt tax”

    and no amount of denial will change the electorate’s perception. Think “Workchoices”.
    There is no turning back now.

  15. Notafan

    Abbott has done good work on the foreign affairs front and on delivering the boat policy.
    The PS have been told no pay rises without reducing entitlements and I looking to see the PS cuts delivered.
    We have a free money mentality that is quite amazing.
    And the lefties with their mining tax Murdoch 666 carbon tax insanity. What drugs are these people on?

  16. Tom

    So Abbott finally reveals himself as a gutless second-rater. All those fine sentiments about reducing the size of government were swept away as soon as it came time to reduce the size of government. He decided instead to shit on his own supporters from a great height.

    And if it was just a kite and he has to back down, he’ll look even weaker.

    Arise, Sir Scott. And make it snappy — preferably before the unrepresentative swill change chairs in July.

  17. Rabz

    Arise, Sir Scott. And make it snappy

    And no more Dragon Credlin and z-grade Loughnane, thanks. No one in the electorate voted for that pair of dunderheads.

  18. MemoryVault

    So Abbott finally reveals himself as a gutless second-rater.

    There was ever any doubt???

  19. Cold-Hands

    What’s tragic for Abbott is that he’s undergoing all this pain for zero benefit. The populists Xenophon & PUP, the low-taxing David Leyonhjelm and the DLP’s John Madigan and the obstructionist Greens and unprincipled ALP are never going to pass this through the Senate- and if he thinks he can get this turkey up in a DD election, well good luck!

    If he is going to wear the animus for breaking an election commitment, then he should at least get bang for his buck by going the full Campbell Newman. Slash-and-burn the leftist establishment, abolish the HRC, axe Arts prizes, shrink the Public Service, re-design “Gonski” as a voucher system (he can even keep the same name)… the possibilities for savings are endless and with minimal cost to the economy or his supporters. Yes the meeja and the Left will howl, but they’re gunna do that regardless of what he does, so he might as well do something to fix the structural problems in the economy- and that means spending cuts and no new taxes.

  20. Badjack

    The Liberals obviously think they can behave as Labor did and get away with it. They are plain dumb, the media will not give them an inch and Lib supporters will not support them if they treat us like nitwits.

  21. Rabz

    Cold-Hands – ahem, cough, cough, the ALPBC?

    :x

  22. dianeh

    Im extremely disappointed in Abbott. It looks like we have a two party system where both parties are the same big spending, big government ilk. So much for the tough talk about ending the age of entitlement, reducing spending, reducing legislation and reducing the size of govt. It was all hot air.

    And that aside, the politics of this situation are atrocious. How did Tony get himself in this position? Was it his bad judgement, or bad advisers?

    Instead of pandering to the lefties to stop the constant criticism, put in good policies, cut spending, grow the economy and then rub it in their faces. Going slowly and creating a new tax, means the govt may fail to achieve proper debt reduction, and it is going to be slow, giving plenty of ammunition to the opposition.

  23. Badjack

    For those who support the idea that Abbott and Co are just floating ideas and the end Budget will be different then what do you say when he comes out looking like a jellybaby for crumbling under pressure from journalists, Labor and the public…because that will be the mental picture the public will have of him if you are right. He is starting to act like the boxer he looks like.

  24. James in Melbourne

    Yes, it’s pathetic. He had to be better than that and it appears he is not. A gutless betrayal of his voter base. Abbott talked the talk, but could not handle the job. Any justifications of this are not only weasel words, they use all available stoats, ferrets, martens, minks and polecats too. He has tax receipts growing by 6% a year for his term, but opts for a new tax – and then does not have the courage to own up to it.

    “Disappointed” does not describe it adequately.

  25. nic

    No one in the electorate voted for that pair of dunderheads.

    Who in their right mind advised Abbott that the ‘levy’ would be a good idea? Seriously, it should fail the ‘are you fucking kidding me?’ test.

  26. Vicki

    In some commercial circles all of this would be called testing the market. The final product is unlikely to be anything like the rumours and leaks (at least I hope so).

    Trouble is, Robbo, those sort of shock tactics stay in the minds of voters. I have been a supporter of Abbott for a long time, but it sure as hell knocked my estimation of him about.

  27. manalive

    His should reduce the ABC and get rid of SBS but he can’t …

    He should get rid of both, that’s ~$1.5 b a year saving forever.
    If he is going to lose an election because of a broken promise, that’s the promise to break.

  28. Josh

    Two weeks ago SportsBet had the Coalition at $1.40 to win the next election.
    Today they still have them at $1.40.

  29. iamok

    Well here we are folks having worked hard to get the pole position on the starting grid, but determined to work our way backwards as quickly as possible through the field to be yet another making up the numbers.

    I am sick to death of the whingers and whiners who do not appreciate what we have had and what we now have. If you want the bells and whistles pay for it yourselves, do not foist marginal issues on the rest of us.

    And it’s a bottomless pit. The more issues that are supported the more will arise from the margins. That’s how the ripple in the pond works.

    I want to see a govt with the guts to say what needs to be said and do what needs to be done. The levy is the laziest course of least resistance, and it is so so disappointing that it has been flagged at all. If it is implemented this govt is doomed, the scum will be back and the great Oz will to fall further behind in the pack. Then it’s all over red rover.

    We depend on our trading partners to prosper. If we lose any competitive advantage we are ripe for the picking. Still if the agenda is to create dependency of the masses on the ruling classes (only difference them being so-called progressives this time around) then it’s all going particularly well.

    Stop dancing around the issues Abbott or Labor etc will be dancing on your’s and Oz’s grave quick smart. Better to die by the sword than to do so without a whimper. He has three daughters, presumably he has what is required.

  30. A Lurker

    Trouble is, Robbo, those sort of shock tactics stay in the minds of voters. I have been a supporter of Abbott for a long time, but it sure as hell knocked my estimation of him about.

    Q. Is this really resonating in the electorate-at-large? Yes, I know that we who take an interest in politics say it will be a death-knell, but I’d have to say that in the public-environment of Facebook, there is scarcely a mention of this levy – and in my experience, Facebook seems to be one of the first things to jump up and down about things. (Currently the cast of the new Star Wars movie seems to be thing that Facebook is excited about…)

    Now I’m not saying that there won’t be any blowback – but we are in the politics observing class, which is lightyears apart from the ordinary Oz citizen who toils at work, goes home to have dinner with the family, catches some sport at weekends, and watches the Block or some other reality show at night before bed.

  31. Lysander

    Steve Kates thinks he’s the new mumble.

  32. Dan

    My friends on Facebook are to a large extent lawyers, doctors, senior bankers and they are incensed. In fact none of them including me would ever even post on Facebook but they (we) sure are now.

  33. You know the worst thing about this? Even if at this point they abort this idiotic move, there will still be a reasonable proportion of people who go to the next election believing that the Government raised taxes.

  34. Anthony

    When was the debt tax announced? When were all of the changes being discussed introduced? Since when has public discussion only considered the fantastical? Everyone, here and elsewhere, seems to be getting miles and miles in front of themselves.

  35. Lysander

    Abbott will be rolled before the end of 2014.

    Econocrat; have you become a doomtard?

    John Howard (quite the big government socialist/spender/taxer) said Abbott “had hero status in the Liberal Party” before he won the election. The reason we know so much about Rullard era is because of pressure put on by Abbott and his leadership to Morrison has stopped the boats.

    It is good to see him backdown a little on PPL as this distinguishes him from the likes of Rudd and Gillard. He listens.

    I am still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  36. Roger

    bad economics cannot be good politics.
    Obama, Rudd, Obama, Gillard, Rudd, and now Abbott…that adage clearly doesn’t apply anymore, not in the short term anyway, which appears to be all modern politicians can think about.

  37. johanna

    They must be taking their strategic advice from the Teletubbies.

    First Joe Hockey goes around scaring the wits out of aged pensioners and their relatives, over something they are not even intending to do in this term, and now this. At the current rate, they will have offended or scared 100% of the electorate by Christmas over economic policies they haven’t even implemented.

    And all the cries of “Abbott should slash this, burn that, abolish the other” seem to be echoing in a space where he is a dictator and has no party room or Senate to contend with. Almost all of the things people are demanding require legislation, not just a stroke of the pen.

    The agrarian socialists in the Nats, not to mention some of the soggier Libs, would revolt if he tried to close down the ABC, including by crossing the floor in the Senate. Modest cuts are just possible, abolition is not. Get over it. The same goes for closing down the NBN.

    He has to dole out his precious political capital sparingly, to maximum advantage, which is why the pre-Budget strategy so far is incomprehensible. Mind you, having Joe Hockey as his frontman is like having Kyle Sandilands fronting your grief counselling service.

  38. Ant

    Abbott – first – needs to get the sledge hammer out and – monotonously, repeatedly and mercilessly – swing away and beat one thing into the thick skulls of every single idiot who voted for the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd train wreck:

    Your vote for irresponsible, spendthrift, leftist politicians had consequences and payback time is now.

    Personally, it really pisses me off that this levy proposal mostly targets the “wealthly” when the “wealthy” are generally the least likely to have voted for the miscreants who created the problem in the first place.

    Yet there they are again – Labor or Liberal – rumaging around the pockets of the productive ‘class’ to fix the mess left behind by ignorant fools who constantly stick their hand out for freebies.

  39. Matt

    Yes, but what if it’s called the ‘Labor Debt Repayment Levy’ or some such, not just in speeches but on all Government forms including tax returns. Framing matters.

    (Not that they would ever do that, but it would be nice.)

  40. brc

    Yes, it will become a big issue. Carbon tax LAW tax cuts – people have long memories about this stuff.

    I disagree it is too late. If it gets dumped it will be forgotten. Policy brain farts are embarrassing but they don’t swing elections if they are scrapped before implementation.

    Cuts cuts cuts. That’s what we were buttered up to expect. That’s what should happen, beginning with the APS. Who remembers how many public servants Campbell Newman cut? Nobody, and nothing bad happened. Get into the spending with an axe and cut cut cut. Postpone ndis, scale back NBN, scrap direct action. There are billions to be found, and scrapping that crap will actually help the economy.

  41. Lysander

    If they get rid of the Carbon Tax, families will apparently be $550 pa better off.

    http://www.liberal.org.au/scrapping-carbon-tax-and-reducing-cost-living

    There’s a narrative to be s/told here. So you might get taxed a Labor Party Debt Levy (yes, nice) at $200pa but you’re going to still be better off without a Carbon Tax.

  42. C.L.

    I suppose it’s possible the levy is a false flag stunt designed to bring into even starker relief the ALP/Green coalition’s egregious hypocrisy and recklessness on the carbon dioxide tax.

    Hockey can solemnly declare on budget night that “we listened” and dropped the idea; “I call on the Opposition to do the same on the carbon tax” etc.

  43. Sir Fred Lenin

    Abbot has proven there is NO difference between libs,nats,alp and groins ,they are all Bludging.self absorbed Wankers,professional politicians are scum ,we need a Real Revolution in politics,ban profrpessional pollies ,lawtradespersons,greedy communist fascist unionists.,and akademiks,dont even let the Buggers vote,dont ler migrants vote untill they have paid income Tax for 10 years,limit tenure in parliament to one term ban political donations ,let them live off membership fees,and Pay Tax on income.unions too.

  44. OldOzzie

    As a voter in Tony Abbott’s electorate (or

    Tony Rudd

    as my son just sms’d),

    he has just won the “Fool of the Year” Award

    The Australian Editorial today – “The ‘deficit levy’ is just a new tax by another name” – sums it up with this

    And how could the Prime Minister claim the fiscal emergency was so dire it required a sudden, damaging hike in income tax for so-called higher income earners when his own bureaucracy is teeming with thousands of paper-shuffling staff earning upwards of $250,000, while hundreds of federal government quangos, such as the $25 million Human Rights Commission, sap wealth and give taxpayers practically nothing in return. Superfluous public service jobs should suffer before the genuinely productive workers are taxed further. The commonwealth Department of Education, for instance, which manages no schools or universities, still has more than 3500 staff. The Audit Commission’s recommendations for a 2023 surplus without tax hikes still permit real spending to rise 1.75 per cent a year, a constraint most businesses would jump at. In Britain, where the Cameron government has diligently been trimming spending in real terms by about 1 per cent a year since 2010, it would be a licence to splurge.”

    And a question was asked in another paper today, now we will no longer have a Motor Vehicle Industry

    why do we need the Australasian New Car Assessment Program crash test authority – why not use the European NCAP program – another bureaucracy that can be eliminated

    Tony,

    The Public Servants in Canberra always vote Labor – so get rid of half of them and they can still vote Labor

  45. Combine_Dave

    Q. Is this really resonating in the electorate-at-large?

    The media is ensuring that it will.

  46. viva

    It’s the political class vs us.

    More and more I’m coming around to this point of view.

  47. philip j. fry

    What a bloody idiot .. , I just cannot believe how Abbott is blowing this

    The lefties are loving it, they are in old familiar “hate the conservatives” territory, a la the Howard days and he’s pandering to them and feeding the beast.

    Instead of driving through them and doing what needs doing, cutting costs – he is taking the soft, but disastrous option of raising a tax.

    Unbelievable that the government thinks they can break such an important promise, regardless of the weasel words – he is treating us with as much contempt as Rudd and Gillard did.

    NEXT! Get him out and put someone with a forking backbone in charge! That or get the man a new spine, that has no flexibility.

  48. Foggyfig

    A Lurker,

    I was chatting with a friend (by phone not FB) and I made the same comment. I have more left leaning/green following friends and there has not been one meme, likes, news releases on my FB page. Not one – and they usually post their crappy stuff all the time. I know it is to needle me.

  49. Petros

    Yep. I’m as stunned as most of you. Unbelievably stupid move on Abbott’s part.

  50. Senile Old Guy

    johanna:

    He has to dole out his precious political capital sparingly, to maximum advantage, which is why the pre-Budget strategy so far is incomprehensible. Mind you, having Joe Hockey as his frontman is like having Kyle Sandilands fronting your grief counselling service.

    +1

    An incomprehensible policy, fronted by a buffoon.

  51. Foggyfig

    I say if one person has to pay a ”levy” everyone has to pay even those on welfare. Everyone pays $10 – if you are on welfare you donate back to the government $10. It could be withheld from their welfare benefits :D

    How much would that raise to pay for the debt that we have?

    Then there is no class division and no you earn more than me so you should pay for the debt.

  52. John Comnenus

    We can only hope that Abbott will change his mind due to the outrage from the Liberal base caused by this ridiculous scheme.

    Tony Abbott is in danger of becoming the Francoise Hollande of Australian politics. Let’s put a crippling additional burden on the most productive people in the economy.

    Tony and Joe have learnt nothing. They think giving money to Martin Parkinson and co (the people who stuffed everything up under the hapless Rudd – Gillard – Rudd Governements) will generate more wealth than leaving the money with the richest people who will spend, save or invest the money in things they really want. Who is more likely to grow the economy Parkinson and co or the richest people in the country?

  53. John Comnenus

    So our choice is between Tony Hollande or Francoise Shorten.

    As if Shorten will ever remove the ‘temporary’ tax.

  54. Anne

    If Bill becomes PM in 2017, we will have had four Prime Ministers in four years

    That’s assuming Mr Abbott doesn’t take a ride in the tumbril before then.

  55. As I said on the other thread, the solution is easy.

    Undo all the additional ongoing costs initiated by Labor. All that should be left is the old spending plus CPI. Spending is what, 70% higher after just six years? CPI should only be about 15%. Such changes could net a considerable budget surplus this year.
    Even a reversal of a fraction of that would make a huge difference.

  56. Yon toad

    Doesn’t matter who we have as PM, we always end up with a liar.

  57. Fisky

    So our choice is between Tony Hollande or Francoise Shorten.

    It’s Tony Herbert Walker Abbott.

  58. Tony Malcolm Fraser Abbott.

    I predicted this. I have witnesses too. It was at a Mannkal event a couple of years ago, when some enthusiastic young bean from the Young Libs was there to sweet-talk us into thinking that the Libs were the party of the free market.

    I told this young man that many people had believed that back in 1975, and got stuck with Malcolm Fraser. This young man, however, had been born during the Hawke era, and assured me with all the confidence of someone under 30 that this time it would be different.

    I didn’t believe him.

  59. rickw

    It’s the political class vs us.

    Exactly, bloody career politicians are a bunch of witless morons that aren’t qualified to clean toilets.

    I’ve had enough of the same crap, I pay $170k in tax and these bastards want more???!!! FUCK OFF!!!

  60. Grigory M

    That’s assuming Mr Abbott doesn’t take a ride in the tumbril before then.

    Is that the sound of a muffled drum in the air?

  61. Doesn’t matter who we have as PM, we always end up with a liar.

    That is the saddest thing I’ve read all day. I want to believe it’s not true.

  62. MemoryVault

    Doesn’t matter who we have as PM, we always end up with a liar.

    No Toad, you forget where you are.
    Here at the Cat they are only a liar if they are from the “left”.
    If it’s a Liberal PM then he’s only being “pragmatic”.

  63. MemoryVault

    Is that the sound of a muffled drum in the air?

    I’ve already got my knitting needles and wool ready.

  64. Grigory M

    Alas, poor Tony
    I knew him, Horatio
    He was a man of infinite jest
    Especially in the days before the election.

    [apologies to The Bard]

  65. No Toad, you forget where you are.
    Here at the Cat they are only a liar if they are from the “left”.
    If it’s a Liberal PM then he’s only being “pragmatic”.

    No one does projection quite like the left, eh Memory?

  66. Empire Strikes Back

    Here at the Cat they are only a liar if they are from the “left”.
    If it’s a Liberal PM then he’s only being “pragmatic”.

    Complete and utter bullshit. Try reading back through yesterday’s threads.

    The Menzies House crowd might defend the indefensible, but statanists of any colour are fair game here MV.

  67. MemoryVault

    No one does projection quite like the left, eh Memory?

    Left?

    Moi?

  68. John Comnenus

    Memory,

    there are only a small number of people rationalising away the Abbott Tax lie. The overwhelming Cat consensus is bitter disappointment and disillusion as is obvious from this thread.

  69. MemoryVault

    there are only a small number of people rationalising away the Abbott Tax lie.

    I know, John. I know.
    I’m just feeling all bitter and twisted over the whole damn thing, that’s all.

  70. harrys on the boat

    Who is this Memory Vault wankstain? Abbott and Hockey have been getting a good hiding and deservedly so.

    At the best of times the Libs aren’t well liked here, but fortunately for them, to a man, we fucking despise Labor and the Greenfilth with every ounce of our being.

    In short MemoryVault, fuck off.

  71. Empire Strikes Back

    What’s the view on Peta Incredulin?

    Is she a liability for Abbott? Should she and Laughnow) be cast adrift?

  72. Rabz

    My missive to fat Joe:

    Dear Señor Hockey,

    I note the recent exercise in alleged “kite flying” undertaken by the government regarding a proposed “debt levy”, implemented in response to the monstrous budget situation bequeathed by the worst government in this country’s history, the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd disaster.

    Please note that I voted for the Coalition at the last election. My father was a member of the Liberal Party. I also provided some election campaign assistance to the Liberal candidate in [redacted], in the form of a factsheet developed on the subject of the [redacted] (I am an economist and have been closely monitoring the implementation of the [redacted]).

    So I’m sure you will understand that I am absolutely staggered that this monumentally stupid proposal for a “debt levy” has been raised in the period leading up to the budget. Do the words “there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead” ring any bells?

    The intolerable, inexcusable waste perpetrated by those labor/green imbeciles during the period 2007-2013 has resulted in a mountain of deficits and debt. I would argue that the scale of this waste is almost incomprehensible to the average voter, however there are many of us who are more than aware of how serious the consequences are of such unchecked government spending – and why such spending must be reined in.

    Raising taxes in response to this budgetary situation is an obscenity, for which your party will lose my vote, probably for good.

    There is no other way to say this, so I will not mince words – just cut government spending.

    This could be done in numerous ways, including:

    • Abolishing the ABC and privatising SBS
    • Abolishing the AHRC
    • Abolishing the CSIRO
    • Abolishing the Fair Work Commission
    • Ceasing all subsidisation of so called “renewable energy” sources, including abolishing the RET and scrapping the Direct Action policy
    • Immediately ceasing any work on the NBN – this is quite possibly the most obscene example of dunderheaded governmental obstinacy, stupidity and overreach in this country’s history
    • Redesigning the NDIS, making it a voucher system and doing the same with the so called “Gonski” shambles
    • Slashing the Australian public service
    • Scrapping the PPL scheme

    And so on and so forth.

    The proposed “debt levy” is a figurative punch in the face to the Liberal party’s core constituency. These voters will inevitably be furious at being singled out to bear the pain inflicted by such a betrayal.

    In an environment where governments routinely waste billions of taxpayers’ dollars or incompetently misallocate such monies (supplemented by out of control debt acquisition, the burden of which will be borne by future generations), you seem to be incapable of truly understanding just how angry a sizable proportion of the electorate is about such behaviour.

    I expect this kind of tax and spend lunacy from labor and the greens, not from a supposedly fiscally responsible new government.

    Do not forget what happened to Malcolm Turnbull when he arrogantly tried to defy the Liberal Party’s core constituency. You may also like to remind the Prime Minister of this, as incredibly, he appears to have forgotten the consequences of this incident and its aftermath.

    I would appreciate a response indicating that some detailed attention has been paid to the issues I have raised above and I look forward to the Government delivering a budget that slashes unnecessary government expenditure and not one that introduces or increases any taxes whatsoever.

    Yours,

  73. MemoryVault

    In short MemoryVault, fuck off.

    Sorry Harry, can’t oblige.
    Since the stroke some things don’t work like they used to.

  74. eb

    Oh, very good, Rabz. I doubt you’ll get a reply that’s anything other than a standard response, but if his office takes note of the mood out here, then the letter will have done its job.

  75. .

    Very well said, rabz. Post it all round.

  76. Dianne

    I’ve about decided that if these fools do this, I’m going to vote Green until the day I die.

    Why? I don’t have kids – I’m near enough to retirement age that I’ll be a burden on someone else’s kids & quite frankly if these fuckers don’t understand how to cut spending then why should I give a shit about a bit of debt that someone else’s kids are going to have to pay off.

    I reckon it’s time to get in for my chop – fuck the lot of them.

    Excuse bad language – but I’m over it now.

  77. .

    Dianne
    #1286204, posted on April 30, 2014 at 2:02 pm
    I’ve about decided that if these fools do this, I’m going to vote Green until the day I die.

    Bullshit. You already decided this and have voted Green since you turned 18.

  78. MemoryVault

    RABZ,

    Regarding your missive to Fat Joe, good points all.
    However, most of your points require legislative changes, which is okay, but there is so much we could be doing in the meantime that doesn’t require parliamentary action.

    Simply closing down the farcical “Employment Service Providers” would save about the same amount as is claimed will be raised by the proposed “debt levy”.

    They only duplicate services already available at every Centrelink office anyway, via an internet kiosk with a link to Job Network Australia.

  79. harrys on the boat

    Add Rabz’s comment to Mr Rustys, as worthwhile reactions to this farce.

  80. Cold-Hands

    ahem, cough, cough, the ALPBC?

    Rabz, that goes without saying.
    Although given that was an explicit election promise, it will take time to gut it through axing the Australia Network, efficiency dividend etc. Abbott doesn’t have the bottle to sell it/defund it completely.

  81. Dianne

    Bullshit. You already decided this and have voted Green since you turned 18.

    No – never been able to bring myself to do it…but I tells ya – unless they sack a public servant or 50 – that’s it – I’m going to find every trough & shove my snout into it….just like the rest of the green brigade! I might even apply for one of those flash jobs at one of the aboriginal organisations!

  82. Grigory M

    ahem, cough, cough, the ALPBC?

    Abbott doesn’t have the bottle to sell it/defund it completely.

    Unfortunately, the Commission of Audit was given too long to report – it should have been given a deadline of only 3 months. If it had included a recommendation to sell off/privatize the ALPBC, then the due diligence could have been done by now and its sale would be imminent. Immediate savings of $1.2Bn per annum plus sale proceeds of $3-5Bn to reduce Liebor’s debt.

  83. stackja

    More people falling for ALP/MSM spin.

  84. brc

    That’s fair enough Robbo and you’re probably right. But if it is a flag-flying exercise then it is up to supporters of Abbott to set off a firestorm of criticism, so that the proposal never sees the light of day.

    It is bad economics, and it is bad politics. Someone is trying to be too clever by half, and they risk undoing what little they have achieved.

  85. Gab

    It’s no different on the Liberal facebook sites where no one is allowed to say anything negative about Abbott or his policies. The comment is either removed or the commenter is subjected to vituperation the likes of which would make Van Badham blush.Very childish really and disastrous for democracy. “You must still support him regardless how dumb his policies!” Pathetic.

  86. Rabz

    Liberal spacechook sites

    WTF?

    :?

  87. JC

    Rabz’s piece is too long for a liberty quote, but it ought to be posted up there.

    If they intro a levy it will be the last time I ever vote for these bastards again too. I’ll spoil the ballot if the LDP isn’t on there, but I’ll never vote for them again.

  88. JC

    Fucking moronic arseholes…

    Actually, fucking moronic lying arseholes.

  89. JC

    I think Tony Abbott’s big mistake was to support all those costly ALP programs just before the election

    Yep and always playing halvies.

    He never needed to sign up to that bullshit and still would have won.

  90. Anne

    Dot, you’ll be pleased to know I have this day joined the LDP.

    I always do what Alpha males tell me to do.

  91. Infidel Tiger

    Very well said Rabz.

    I’ll never ever vote for them again. That won’t bother them as I haven’t been whenever there is an LDP alternative. Now I will actively campaign against them.

    I am going to make it my life’s mission to call Abbott a liar right to his face and to have ASIS and ASIO monitor me as an instigator.

  92. Craig Mc

    As others have noted, the Deficit Levy is straight from the tax and spend Labor playbook.

    It’s also from the Jeff Kennett “Give-The-Debt-A-Name” playbook. It worked for him.

  93. Notafan

    Rudd ran those cuts adds and Abbott should have said hell yes.
    What does it take for people to realise there isn’t a magic money tree?
    Have they figured it out in Greece yet?

  94. Craig Mc

    What does it take for people to realise there isn’t a magic money tree?

    Becoming Greece.

    Have they figured it out in Greece yet?

    No.

  95. Infidel Tiger

    It’s also from the Jeff Kennett “Give-The-Debt-A-Name” playbook. It worked for him.

    He was tossed out of office at an unloseable election. Let’s hope the same happens to Abbott.

  96. Anne

    Rabz,

    May I tentatively suggest-

    Abolish Councils.

    I think I could manage my life with out them.

  97. Craig Mc

    He was tossed out of office at an unloseable election.

    But not the coming election. He got edged out at the one after. Only had his hubris to blame for it too.

  98. Craig Mc

    BTW, was it Steve that was panicking over Rudd returning and suggesting a switch to Turnbull prior to the election? Stick to economics Steve.

  99. Rabz

    Thanks all, much appreciated – ever get the feeling you’re banging your head against a brick wall?

    That’s what trying to explain commonsense to politicians is like.

    Déjà vu all over again.

  100. Grigory M

    I am going to make it my life’s mission to call Abbott a liar right to his face and to have ASIS and ASIO monitor me as an instigator.

    Thunderclap IT.

  101. harrys on the boat

    In my opinion the only way out is for Hockey to say on budget day that the Levy was a hoax to cover what we’re really up to which is the abolition of the ABC, HRC, RET etc. etc.

    Anything less would be a disgrace.

  102. harrys on the boat

    Oops hit send too soon.

    But these soft cocks won’t and we’ll be lumbered with the income tax hike, all of Gillards clusterfucks and Abbotts brain farts.

  103. Grigory M

    BTW, was it Steve that was panicking over Rudd returning and suggesting a switch to Turnbull prior to the election?

    Nah – Samuel J and Fisky.

  104. Craig Mc

    Nah – Samuel J and Fisky.

    I apologise Steve. There’s been so many “Abbott To Be Dumped” masturbation fantasies these last six years it’s hard to keep track.

  105. incoherent rambler

    Time for PM Credlin assistant Loghnane to step down and hand over to Tony Abbot.

  106. Infidel Tiger

    The dump Abbott fantasy is looking more and more a magnificent idea. We all knew he’d be a big government lefty, but this just takes the cake

  107. iamok

    Kennett. And then didn’t that lovely chap Bracks do well, followed by the equally lovely and particularly humble man Brumby? Now we have had Ted/Denis screwing it up and that bright young fella Edwards is waiting to pounce. FMD.

    Please please please LNP grow some. Review the leaders and clean up the ship, including advisors and support staff. It is drifting and closer to the rocks but can still be turned around and find a course – just.

  108. iamok

    Time for PM Credlin assistant Loghnane to step down and hand over to Tony Abbot.

    Yes +1.

    I posted yesterday it’s been clear for some time they are not up to the current job. Great work to get there (except the unnecessary election campaign commitments), but time to move aside for the greater good. Umm you know what that means, right?

  109. Fisky

    As much as I would love to claim vindication regarding the Abbott disaster, I can’t as I did not actually call for him to be replaced before the election.

    But it is time to give Abbott the boot now. Morrison must go on national television at once, in full military uniform standing between the two Angus’s, and announce that Abbott has been arrested and relieved of office.

  110. Fisky

    It’s also from the Jeff Kennett “Give-The-Debt-A-Name” playbook. It worked for him.

    If they were going to do that, it would make more sense to concentrate the punishment on Labor voters to learn their lesson. Bus/train fares and trailer park rentals would be hardest hit.

  111. Tom

    Rabz
    #1286186, posted on April 30, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Very well said, Rabz. September 2013 was the last time I vote Liberal. I can’t join a political party for professional reasons, but I will be voting LDP in both houses at every election, state and federal, if they offer a candidate, from now on.

    Although I couldn’t predict how this is now happening, I began to see the inevitability of the fracturing of the right about a year ago. It began with the inability of the LNP to get over the line in 2010 when the Liars were in chaos. That Abbott could only achieve a 3% swing last year when Newman got 15% in 2012 tells us everything.

    We are still being ruled by the political insider class. Fuck them. If the LNP big government socialists are in power, we need someone to rein them in. Get your act together organisationally, David Leyonhjelm. Populist pimples like Krazy Klive were inevitable because the LNP has no principles. You created him yourself, Peta and Brian and Tony, because you just can’t be trusted.

  112. Tom

    Morrison must go on national television at once, in full military uniform standing between the two Angus’s, and announce that Abbott has been arrested and relieved of office.

    Gold!

  113. Gab

    Morrison must go on national television at once, in full military uniform standing between the two Angus’s, and announce that Abbott has been arrested and relieved of office.

    It would be nice if the Orange Boats of Deliverance were placed as a backdrop.

  114. Notafan

    I think I’ll wait and see what’s in the budget though I will email my local member who is a complete newbie though.

  115. motherhubbard'sdog

    If Bill becomes PM in 2017, we will have had four Prime Ministers in four years.

    And if Hockey or Morrison becomes PM in 2015, we will have had four PMs in two years.

    Does becoming PM give people a death wish or something?

  116. cynical1

    Not a problem.

    Send out letters to everyone involved.

    “Dear XXXX,
    Remember that $900 the Gov loaned you?

    Well, it’s time to repay it…

  117. Grigory M

    Does becoming PM give people a death wish or something?

    It does give them a nice retirement package – courtesy of you and me.

  118. The Pugilist

    Who in their right mind advised Abbott that the ‘levy’ would be a good idea? Seriously, it should fail the ‘are you fucking kidding me?’ test.

    Has Abbott been paying his staff in crystal meth? This is just unbelievable…

    Great letter Rabz. I hope it has the desired result.

    I’m pretty crushed by this, as is pretty much everyone else here. At this point Malcolm Turnbull looks a better option from here…it turns my stomach to say that.
    Abbott has just soiled himself in front of the whole nation…

  119. egg_

    Serve these dumbcnuts right if KRudd made a comeback; he’d likely pulverize ‘em.

  120. Gab

    lol, you know, Egg, I wouldn’t put it past Labor – after they dumped Shorten – to put Rudd back in as Opp. Leader. That mob are capable of anything.

  121. The Pugilist

    Serve these dumbcnuts right if KRudd made a comeback; he’d likely pulverize ‘em.

    egg, please stop. Now you’re making me feel really ill…

  122. Anne

    lol, you know, Egg, I wouldn’t put it past Labor – after they dumped Shorten – to put Rudd back in as Opp. Leader. That mob are capable of anything.

    No Gab, please no, I’d have to put my TV sets on the nature strip! Rudd is so universally despised it couldn’t happen. Plibersick will step up…(((shudder))).

  123. egg_

    That mob are capable of anything.

    “Whatever it takes”, hence KRudd Mk I & II.
    Serve Abbott right if it happens.

  124. Rob

    An amazing level of negativity here – or is it group-think?
    We haven’t even seen the audit report yet.
    I suggest people should take few deep breaths and try to lighten up until budget night.
    In a budget context, everything to date has been crap, simply crap.

  125. Anne

    We’re happier at the weekends Rob.

  126. They only duplicate services already available at every Centrelink office anyway, via an internet kiosk with a link to Job Network Australia.

    Yes, but they do it ever so slowly and pointlessly. When I was obliged to see one of them, I told them outright that they do nothing for the average punter except waste their time. I write better resumes than they do, better job applications, know more than they do, and sell myself better. if i cant get a job for me, then there’s no way they can. And they didnt.

    Possibly they help the hopeless, but as long as they do little more than process the unemployed on their books, they are at best more of a hindrance than help.

  127. Combine_Dave

    An amazing level of negativity here – or is it group-think?

    It’s called nonpartisan consistency.

    When the party you voted for to remove a big taxing, spending government from office does an about face and becomes a big taxing, spending government that’s bound to ruffle a few feathers.

  128. .

    Rob
    #1286926, posted on April 30, 2014 at 11:36 pm
    An amazing level of negativity here – or is it group-think?

    Oh! The relentless negativity returns!

  129. ChrisPer

    So, Cats…

    The ballot box has failed to get rid of big spending Government. How long till only the cartridge box is left?

    Are we going to make David Leyonhjelm the President Pro Tem?

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