Avoiding the question

The journalist here is Sabra Lane.

JOURNALIST: Professor Sinclair Davidson last night was saying that if you do press ahead with this levy, this will be Tony Abbott’s Julia Gillard moment and it will be a disaster for this Government.

MATHIAS CORMANN: I don’t accept that at all. We are very focused on making the right decisions for the right reasons for the country. We are not doing any of this for fun. We’re not doing this because it gives us any pleasure. We are doing it because in our judgement, having reviewed all of the information, it is the right thing to do for the country. We will explain ourselves to the Australian people in the lead-up to the Budget, on Budget night and of course the weeks and months that follow the Budget.

JOURNALIST: Senator, what is your reply to Peter Costello’s critic of the proposed increase of taxation?

MATHIAS CORMANN: Peter Costello was an outstanding Coalition Treasurer who provided distinguished service to Australia. He also was confronted by a Budget in a mess left behind by a Labor administration. In his first Budget, he made it very clear, I am now quoting directly from his Budget speech: ‘The tightening measures have to be fairly shared. We cannot expect those who rely on pensions and allowances, low income earners to bear the cost. So we must ask high income earners to make a contribution and business to make its contribution to (sic)”. We agree with Mr. Costello and if I can just add here, is Bill Shorten really suggesting that those in receipt of government allowances should carry the whole burden of fixing Labor’s Budget mess? Or does he agree with us that the effort ought to be spread fairly and equitably across the whole community?

It is pleasing to know that the Abbott government will be explaining itself. First time for everything, I suppose.

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43 Responses to Avoiding the question

  1. frederic

    We are doing it because in our judgement, having reviewed all of the information, it is the right thing to do for the country

    No, you are doing it for public relations, hoping that some DSP recipients start to like you, in the growing knowledge that your firmest supporters are walking out on you.

    You are insane.

  2. jumpnmcar

    You know, over and over again in government policy, good intentions go awry. And the reason good intentions go awry is because you’re spending somebody else’s money.

    Uncle Milt.

  3. Eddystone

    is Bill Shorten really suggesting that those in receipt of government allowances should carry the whole burden of fixing Labor’s Budget mess?

    No one cares what Bill Shorten says, it can be assumed he is lying.

    Those of us who pay taxes want the reckless spending to stop, not to be hit up for more so the party can go on.

    If government allowances went only to those with no other options, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    It’s not just about balancing the budget, FFS. It’s about the level and quality of spending.

  4. Rob MW

    “MATHIAS CORMANN: Peter Costello was an outstanding Coalition Treasurer who provided distinguished service to Australia. He also was confronted by a Budget in a mess left behind by a Labor administration. In his first Budget, he made it very clear, I am now quoting directly from his Budget speech: ‘The tightening measures have to be fairly shared. We cannot expect those who rely on pensions and allowances, low income earners to bear the cost. So we must ask high income earners to make a contribution and business to make its contribution to (sic)”.”

    The money quote: – “‘The tightening measures have to be fairly shared. We cannot expect those who rely on pensions and allowances, low income earners to bear the cost. So we must ask high income earners to make a contribution and business to make its contribution to (sic)”.”

    Are these politicians fucking stupid ? Do they not recognise an ‘Oxymoron’ when they see or worse, express one ? How the fucking hell are tax-beneficiaries going to make any fucking “Contribution” ? It’s not their fucking money you fucking moronic politicians…….. you give em’ 10 bucks and if they give you 5 bucks back it’s still not their fucking money……..they gave you back 5 bucks of someone else’s fucking “Contribution”.

    Only taxpayers make “Contributions”.

    Sorry Sinc……..my rant is over. I’m all calm now.

    contribution

    Definitions (4)
    1. General: Imposed or requiredpayment.
    2. Accounting: Amount left over after direct (variable) costs are deducted from the sales revenue. Also called gross income, this sum pays for indirect (fixed) costs and contributes to net income.
    3. Insurance: Proportional sharing of loss by the insurers when more than one policy is taken by the insured for the same peril. Under a contract of indemnity, the insured cannot profit from his or her misfortune irrespective of the number of policies.
    4. Law: Right of a joint debtor (or joint tortfeasor) who pays entirely a debt (or liability) to recover from other joint debtors (or joint tortfeasors) their individual shares of the debt (or liability).

  5. Driftforge

    is Bill Shorten really suggesting that those in receipt of government allowances should carry the whole burden of fixing Labor’s Budget mess?

    No idea about BS, but the above is a good summary of the general feeling here.

  6. Yobbo

    There will be no explanation of why spending can’t be cut. Spending is assumed to be untouchable by both major parties.

  7. Infidel Tiger

    Poor Cormann. Abbott has ruined his career.

    Just typical to make the stupid foreigner take the fall.

  8. Infidel Tiger

    Actually maybe Abbott should promote Ken Wyatt to Treasurer. It will at least reduce some of the deserved ridicule under Sect 18c.

  9. Kaboom

    Welcome the new Boss, same as the old Boss.

    We are so fucked…

  10. Lem

    When a neophyte like Cormann starts quoting directly back from Hansard to Costello you know it is open warfare in the Liberal party. I mean, we had the fetus Jamie Briggs quietly threatening Gambaro this morning. I suppose at least the coalition are able to call out insanity in its leadership a few years earlier than the ALP do.

  11. Michel Lasouris

    “It is pleasing to know that the Abbott government will be explaining itself. First time for everything, I suppose.”
    Ooooo. bitchy!

  12. .

    Yobbo
    #1296340, posted on May 7, 2014 at 8:04 pm
    There will be no explanation of why spending can’t be cut. Spending is assumed to be untouchable by both major parties.

    If they can’t simply hold spending constant, even as a proportion of GDP for a few years, they can’t be taken seriously.

  13. Infidel Tiger

    When a neophyte like Cormann starts quoting directly back from Hansard to Costello you know it is open warfare in the Liberal party. I mean, we had the fetus Jamie Briggs quietly threatening Gambaro this morning. I suppose at least the coalition are able to call out insanity in its leadership a few years earlier than the ALP do.

    Probably the only thing that can save Australian politics from becoming a Eurotrash socialist hellhole is the Liberal Party splitting and doing something with the LDP. Otherwise the future is men kissing each other hello and retiring at 32 after an arduous 5 years in the civil service.

    A toilet. Australia really is a toilet.

  14. egg_

    So is Chloe Bryce-Shorten measuring up the Lodge curtains?

  15. egg_

    Poor Cormann. Abbott has ruined his career.
    Just typical to make the stupid foreigner take the fall.

    Yup, the Terminatored

  16. Habib

    For someone who presented as a dry to say something so inane as that last paragraph confirms that liberalism is dead in the Liberal Party. Of course recipients of government funding should bear any cuts. Tax increases are never equitable, or productive. Not only should they be taking to spending with a woodchipper, they should be cutting taxes and charges wholesale. I will never vote for these lampreys again.

  17. Yobbo

    Probably the only thing that can save Australian politics from becoming a Eurotrash socialist hellhole is the Liberal Party splitting and doing something with the LDP. Otherwise the future is men kissing each other hello and retiring at 32 after an arduous 5 years in the civil service.

    A toilet. Australia really is a toilet.

    This

  18. DrBeauGan

    I have a theory to propound. Remember Gillard getting Rudd to back off from global warming to make him break an implied promise? How about if the idea of the levy was put up to get rid of Abbott by making him break a central promise? If so, he’s fallen for it.

  19. Habib

    Actually, replace lamprey with tapeworm. Lampreys have a spinal chord.

  20. James B

    The people paying taxes haven’t created the budget mess.

    The people in receipt of government services and payments have.

    Sharing the burden would mean massively slashing both taxes and services. Not hiking taxes and making mild cuts to services.

  21. Eddystone

    we had the fetus Jamie Briggs quietly threatening Gambaro this morning.

    Did he? The grub.

    He already knows how I feel about this new tax, but I shall have to reinforce the message.

    To think we should have had Bob Day as our MHR. Bloody born-to-rule parasites.

  22. egg_

    DrBeauGan
    #1296471, posted on May 7, 2014 at 9:09 pm

    Either that or Stockholm Syndrome from opposition.

  23. entropy

    if I can just add here, is Bill Shorten really suggesting that those in receipt of government allowances should carry the whole burden of fixing Labor’s Budget mess? Or does he agree with us that the effort ought to be spread fairly and equitably across the whole community?

    You know, whoever the spin doctor that came up with that should be fired. And I mean fired through a three inch pipe.

    On what planet is a group that get given Other People’s Money get labelled as carrying a burden when they might get given less of Other Peoples’ Money? And to add insult, those very Other People have to cough up even more!

  24. Sir Fred Lenin

    Fill the parliament with non politicians,people who are there for Australia ,not themselves,let them serve one term ,part time ,thenleave and let another loypt of Patriots take the next term,
    Isay part time so in the time they have ,they deal with the real issues and put their ideas to Referenda.full time politicians implement bullshit interfering legistlation,ti make it look as though they are actually doing Something,thats where the bullshit comes in. Cut Spending Abbot .you are going to lose the next election any way.the commo meeja will make sure of that.

  25. jumpnmcar

    Sir Fred, dot and I agree.
    Sortition !!
    ( well, in the Senate to start with, then the lower house, then the WORLD!! )

  26. jumpnmcar

    ^^^^ No bullshit ^^^^

  27. Peter from SA

    Probably the only thing that can save Australian politics from becoming a Eurotrash socialist hellhole …

    too late mate. South Australia is exactly that. The cancer has taken root and will spread elsewhere.

  28. .

    jump

    Perhaps more important are sunset clauses on all legislation.

  29. Pickles

    Is Stacka the only one besides me that recognises this as a potentially devastating master stroke by The Credlin Family? (Peetie’s a bit Morticia I reckon).

  30. Chris M

    So if Mathias wants the burden to be spread equally that would be like say an annual $200 Labor tax on every adult then.

    I understand this is not the proposal though? So he didn’t really mean “spread fairly and equitably across the whole community”…?

  31. Andrew

    Cormann was supposed to be one of the economic dries in the Cabinet…that has gone out of the window now. It is quite amusing that the leaders of the ‘moderate faction’ in Bishop and Turnbull are the ones arguing against the tax change.

  32. Ripper

    FFS !They are captured by the bureaucracy. Even Keating didn’t listen to them! Who is responsible for not firing warmie Parkinson immediately?

  33. Who is responsible for not firing warmie Parkinson immediately?

    Abbott.
    He wanted to offer an olive branch to the left. actually, a whole bunch of olive branches.
    He wants to be liked.

  34. entropy

    nobody likes the loser kid desperate to be liked

  35. Art Vandelay

    is Bill Shorten really suggesting that those in receipt of government allowances should carry the whole burden of fixing Labor’s Budget mess? Or does he agree with us that the effort ought to be spread fairly and equitably across the whole community?

    Instead of the proposed deficit levy, let’s tax those who are really responsible for the current budget crisis:

    How about an 80% income tax on politicians, ex-politicians, bureaucrats and Keynesians?

  36. Infidel Tiger

    It is quite amusing that the leaders of the ‘moderate faction’ in Bishop and Turnbull are the ones arguing against the tax change.

    It’s fucking spooky. The inner city lefties, Turnbull, Bishop and Gambaro think it’s a socialist wank and the supposedly dry as a nun’s nasty Cormann is carrying on like George Galloway.

    Australia is shot. So depressing.

  37. Blogstrop

    The voting public will continue to present us with results in the senate that ensure a continuation of the pattern of government everyone here is complaining about until such time as they can be properly informed by the majority of the media. There will be no more pure conservative, far less libertarian government, while 80% of the media spend mostmof their working lives looking for ways to make everyone in the ALP and Greens look better than they deserve, while simultaneously undermining everything that the coalition does.
    How bad is it? Well, almost as bad as in the USA, where Romney speaking the truth about the 47% was made to score against him by the media.
    You will not change politics without changing public perceptions. That’s the main game, and our friends in the media know it, politicians know it. Attacking Abbott from here preaches to a small congregation. It’s salutary to observe that getting mentioned by the ABC is most likely to happen when it helps attack the present government.

  38. egg_

    Blogstrop
    #1296914, posted on May 8, 2014 at 6:36 am

    Spot on, but it doesn’t help their case by being Labor lite in the lower house and it is logical in the above scenario for reform to come from the Left as it did with Hawke-Keating, ‘fraid; treating the Greens with the contempt they deserve: ‘fairies at the bottom of the garden’ party &c.
    ELSE an LNP with guts and determination which we thought we had but deserted us.

  39. rickw

    Perhaps more important are sunset clauses on all legislation.

    This is absolutely the key, keep Politicians focussed on existing ways the screw us, rather than giving them space to invent new ways to screw us.

  40. Andrew

    At least now no one except the genuinely evil psychopath Henry will defend Parkinson. Given what he had to work with, I’m even having starting to sympathise with the Goose a little

  41. kae

    Surely the word is critique, not critic?

  42. Leo G

    “…this will be Tony Abbott’s Julia Gillard moment and it will be a disaster for this Government.”

    Mr Abbott’s moment didn’t even register 1 on the Gillard Moment Magnitude Scale (apologies to Beno Gutenberg and Charlie Richter).
    A moment only approaches 10 on the GMM scale: when the promise is a ballot-box pledge with an election outcome hanging on how effectively the voters are deceived, where the pledge is made with the appearance of good faith but not the substance, where at least one other contradicting pledge is made to the partisans, where there is never any real intent to honour the pledge, where after the election benefit is gained the very existence of the pledge is denied, where it is claimed the fault for the moment lies immediately under the feet of the political opponent and where there is some expectation that figure will be swallowed by the fault rupturing in the media.
    As a general rule, the real epicentre always lies under Labor.

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