Being dissed – must be doing a good job

Here is Terry McCrann doing the “any publicity is good publicity” thing:

A particularly egregious exercise in verballing Abbott came from the normally sensible Sinclair Davidson on the usually intelligent Catallaxy blog.

Sinclair, who went quite hysterical over the issue, headlined one of his posts: Day 1 of a broken promise: ‘There will be no new taxes under a government I lead’.

In the body of his post Sinclair admitted that Abbott hadn’t actually said that. But instead: “Whether it’s a stealth tax (like) the emissions trading scheme, whether it’s an upfront and straightforward tax like a carbon tax, there will not be any new taxes as part of the Coalition’s policies.”

Apart from the obvious point that it was not a new tax, there was a slightly more egregious problem with Sinclair’s zinger. Abbott said that in December 2009.

Come on Sinc, you can do better than that. Surely you can find a quote from his student days that proved he lied in the election campaign.

In the days since I’ve done much better than that – the pain must be driving Terry mad:

The Australian and Sky TV’s Peter van Onselen comes close to equalling Davidson for hysterical idiocy, claiming (yet again) last night that this was the day Abbott “broke his solemn promise that there would be no new taxes”. A “solemn promise” he did not make in the campaign.

Perhaps in years to come, just why this levy caused such an outbreak of mass hysteria and the most basic cognitive dissonance among so many otherwise rational people, could well become a case study in psychology.

Straight from the Lewandowsky school of analysis – people who disagree with you on matters of principle must be mentally ill.

Six months into a new government and already they’re shooting the messengers, persecuting dissidents, and hunting down heretics. All so that they can appease the fiscal mob who will never vote for them anyway.

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292 Responses to Being dissed – must be doing a good job

  1. Natural Instinct

    appalled they couldn’t just freeze spending at 2013 rates for a number of years

    It is appears beyond comprehension, unless every minister went into bat for their departments and argued for empire expansion.
    TA & JH needed to say “don’t come back until you have a sustainable 10% reduction” (which is not a huge challenge) and rejected deferments, year shifting and other sleights of hand. The 10% ($40B) then would have been a contingency for the unexpected.

  2. calli

    wealthy does not equal successful.

    Tell it to the taxman, coz.

  3. candy

    What is the difference? Gillard’s flagship policies are still in place ; NBN, Gonski, NDIS

    Over and over polls indicate people want these policies. It’s part of the fabric now of Australia.
    Only a conservative government can do them prudently and I believe that’s the government’s intention.

  4. Notafan

    so Lem what do call it when the marginal tax rates are decreased, a new untax?
    August 2011, not part of a 2013 election campaign promise and said in the context of the introduction of a massive new as in a never been heard of before insane impost on carbon dioxide that had.been specifically ruled out in the 2010 election campaign by his opponents.
    So basically I’m not seeing an explicit promise being broken though I sincerely wish we do not hear talk on Tuesday of excise increases and debt levies.
    I voted for spending cuts.
    The LNP better fix the debt and they better create an environment where the economy can grow. I want to see government spending as a share of GDP shrinking.

  5. Over and over polls indicate people want these policies. It’s part of the fabric now of Australia.
    Only a conservative government can do them prudently and I believe that’s the government’s intention

    Bullshit.
    People “want” lots of things. If the government gave out free iphones people would “want” that too.
    Anyway, nobody understands either Gonski or the NDIS, so I’m not really sure how you can claim with any confidence that people want them.

  6. Gab

    August 2011, not part of a 2013 election campaign promise

    How about May 2013 well after the election date was announced? Or how about August and September 2013?

    We want taxes that are lower, simpler and fairer and will take proposals for further tax reform to the following election.

    – May 16, 2013.

    Taxes will always be lower under a Coalition government.

    – August 6, 2013.

    I am determined not to increase the overall tax burden. I am absolutely determined not to increase the overall tax burden on anyone.

    – August 15, 2013.

    Right now the best thing we can do for our country and ultimately the best thing we can do for people around the world is to strengthen our economy and that means cutting taxes, building the infrastructure of the future, because if tax is lower and infrastructure is better our economy will be more productive and a strong Australia is going to be a much better international citizen than an Australia which can’t really pay its way.

    – September 5, 2013.

  7. “The only party that will raise taxes after the election is the Labor Party.”

    Tony Abbott, August 11, 2013

    case closed.

  8. Natural Instinct

    Abbott first speech 31 May 1994

    When authority first came to the Warringah district, the inhabitants showed what they thought of government policies by spearing Governor Phillip in the shoulder. I hope I can be a similar goad to government, at least until such time as government serves my electorate better. One of the depressing features of modern Australia is the low esteem in which governments and politicians are generally held….

    Australians rightly object to higher taxes because they observe that most government spending disappears down a bottomless well. Government often seems like an evening out—it costs a fortune and in the morning there is little to show for all the expense.

  9. Natural Instinct


    23 January 2014, Davos, Switzerland, Prime Minister Tony Abbott

    You can’t spend what you haven’t got.
    No country has ever taxed or subsidised its way to prosperity.
    You don’t address debt and deficit with yet more debt and deficit.
    And profit is not a dirty word because success in business is something to be proud of. After all, you can’t have strong communities without strong economies to sustain them and you can’t have strong economies without profitable private businesses.
    Above all else, policy-makers need to understand that every dollar government spends comes from the people, either through taxes and borrowings; or, over the past few years, through the process known as quantitative easing which is not indefinitely sustainable.
    Stronger growth requires lower, simpler and fairer taxes that don’t stifle business creativity.
    And stronger growth requires getting government spending under control so that taxes can come down; and reducing regulation so that productivity can rise.

    If he raises a tax for the only reason of “sharing the burden” then his above speech was deceitful.

  10. candy

    Bullshit.
    People “want” lots of things. If the government gave out free iphones people would “want” that too.

    No, NDIS, Gonski etc are part of what we have now, like some form of parental leave,
    Aussiepundit. It’s a fact and it’s silly to deny it.

  11. lem

    No, NDIS, Gonski etc are part of what we have now, like some form of parental leave,
    Aussiepundit. It’s a fact and it’s silly to deny it.

    Back off piste. Candy dear Noooooo… There is no NDIS dear, it is a thought bubble of Bill Shorten and gillard, it does not exist. Gonski..ditto..and as for parental leave the best thing that could happen is for the PPL to be put on hold along with the it’s ugly sister in the public sector.

    These are all facts Candy and it is silly to deny them.

  12. No, NDIS, Gonski etc are part of what we have now, like some form of parental leave,
    Aussiepundit. It’s a fact and it’s silly to deny it.

    What’s Gonski?
    I reckon that less than 5 percent of the voting population could tell you what Gonski is. I’m rather hazy on it myself.

  13. Oh come on

    Over and over polls indicate people want these policies. It’s part of the fabric now of Australia.

    Nonsense. Here’s what people know about those policies, Candy: NBN = fast internet*. NDIS = help for the disabled*. Gonski = more money for schools*.

    When the fine print becomes more widely known, those policies will be about as well-received as an outbreak of genital warts at a swinger’s party.

  14. ev425128

    My understanding is that Gonski is “throw billions more into education”. And I’m in education.

    “Gonski” doesn’t exist beyond a reform plan that has not been implemented, and the tax-leeching chairman of Coca-Cola Amatil. The plan could be scrapped in its entirety and nobody would notice the difference.

  15. Oh come on

    It amazes me the (thankfully small) number of people here who I previously assumed to be sane, sensible folk who are now chastising the rightfully outraged commentariat for not drinking the LNP Kool-Aid.

    They are Useful Idiots, nothing more.

    I will never vote for the LNP if all they aspire to do is make the Labor agenda work. I will only vote for them if they promise to burn the fucking thing to the ground.

  16. Notafan

    NBN is free fast internet that will bring jobs jobs jobs, similar probably to the thousands of green jobs in ecotourism in poor old Tassie.
    Gonski is more in the pay packets of leftie teachers who do teacher training at colleges that have enter scores of 50 and think because they have a degree they should be paid as.much as lawyers and engineers.
    NDIS is in part outsourcing of responsibility for the disabled from families and I know that for many the concern is who looks after disabled children when mum and dad are too old, but it needs a lot more than a tear in the eye of Gillard to actually benefit the disabled without being rorted by charlatans masquerading as both disabled and provider.

  17. Grigory M

    Simples.

    Compare the Meerkat – too much TV for you, calli ;)

  18. egg_

    “He has a plan for the future.”

    Comedy gold.
    His future?
    Rooted.

  19. calli

    Simples.

    A sly reference to a successful marketing campaign. Seems that ‘success’ = vicious taxation in some circles.

    And now I’m watching ‘Clueless’ on 11. A nice take on Austen’s ‘Emma’, despite all that conspicuous consumption.

  20. Newspeak decoded.

    1. The NDIS is not an insurance scheme.
    2. The proposed ‘debt levy’ is not a levy, nor does it have anything to do with debt.
    3. The debt levy, if introduced, will never be revoked.
    4. The PPL levy simply negates a fictitious tax cut and therefore raises no money. And it is not a levy either.
    5. Consequently the PPL is not “fully funded” as claimed by the government; it is funded from consolidated revenue (ie general tax) like everything else.
    6. Abbott promised not to raise taxes several times during the 2013 election campaign.
    7. Increasing the scope of the GST, or increasing the petrol excise, is an increase in tax.

  21. Ripper

    How much is the kevy levy if it happens going to off set the carbon un tax?

  22. egg_

    “kevy levy”

    Very good.
    We may as well blame Kev… and his dog.

  23. Notafan

    Someone in the luvvie media called disability a ‘ tax’
    He didn’t come up with that on his own.
    It seems to be part of that convoluted thinking that everyone should have the same lives.
    Like spending $250,000 each on tram stops for the disabled, that reduce a two lane road to one lane and get used once a week, maybe.

  24. Notafan

    Clueless is part of a staple diet in my household, that and miss Congeniality, the diet used to include Ten Things I hate about you but I haven’t been able to watch any Heath Ledger since he died.

  25. Very good.


    No it’s not. This is the latest idea from Lib HQ, to try to hang it on Rudd.

    That won’t fly. It’s just a tax increase. That’s all it is. It’s not a levy and it’s not for debt, it’s for excessive Liberal spending.

  26. egg_

    Aussiepundit
    #1298024, posted on May 8, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    /sarc tag implied

  27. calli

    Notafan…

    “Anything happens to my daughter I’ve got a 45 and a shovel”

    Now that’s a Dad… :)

  28. Notafan

    Gonski reminded me that my FIL, now deceased went off as a 16 YO apprentice primary school teacher in the early 1950s..He was by all accounts a very good teacher and I believe most kids educated in that era were taught reading writing and arithmetic, quite well. In the 1960s some of us were in classes of 50 or more, that I remember.
    What happened?

  29. Combine_Dave

    Bullshit.
    People “want” lots of things. If the government gave out free iphones people would “want” that too.

    No, NDIS, Gonski etc are part of what we have now, like some form of parental leave,
    Aussiepundit. It’s a fact and it’s silly to deny it.

    This may be what the Libs and their ‘loyal’ supporters truly believe. It’s the only way to explain their truly woeful and irrational budget* so far.

    * Obviously it’s yet to be released but the threat of new taxes (GST threshold, PPL Levy, debt tax, fuel excise increase) has both business and the man in the street clamouring for a return to the ALP.

    Candy, how long before we see the ‘real’ Abbott and/or a leadership spill? They’ve copied all the Liars party’s policies, they may as well steal the ALP succession planning strategies too.

    I just hope they don’t go back to Turnball. We’d have all of the crap above plus an ETS/Carbon tax.

  30. Notafan

    Oh indeed, I’ve been watching a little in my remembery, I loved the Burton Taylor version of taming of the shrew maybe I should get that on DVD as I can’t what the other.
    I successfully used Ten Things for a no dating in high school rule when my son was 15 and a certain minx was causing trouble.

  31. Ripper

    Very good.
    We may as well blame Kev… and his dog.

    No one has answered the question, There is a fair bit of hysteria in here at the moment , but removing the CT may mean that overall tax take is down.

    Don’t forget that the CT is /was supposed to be applied to road transport on 1st of July, putting more costs onto the economy.
    6-7c per litre on every litre that those sweaty arsed truckies use would have raised the best part of a fair bit.

    We will find out on Budget night I suppose.

  32. No one has answered the question, There is a fair bit of hysteria in here at the moment but removing the CT may mean that overall tax take is down.

    What question?
    You mean, how many times did Abbott promise not to raise taxes? About half a dozen at a rough count.
    If they introduce a debt levy, shorten can replicate Abbott’s anti-carbon tax campaign, except against the debt levy.

    It would be a gift to Shorten.

  33. Ripper

    What question?

    How must tax the country won’t pay when the CT is rescinded.

  34. How must tax the country won’t pay when the CT is rescinded.

    Revoke the carbon tax. There is no need to replace it. That would defeat the purpose of revoking it.

    After it’s gone the revenue base will be (should be) just the current tax base minus the carbon tax.

  35. and your next question is…

    “but… but… but…. how do we pay for all those big government programs that are so popular?”

  36. Ripper

    and your next question is…

    You presume far too much.

  37. You presume far too much.

    Fine then. Question answered.

  38. Infidel Tiger

    The carbon tax makes far more sense than a debt levy.

    Abbott is such a disgrace, I have no words except abuse for him. Just a vile cnut of a man.

  39. Oh come on

    I said it before, I’ll say it again – a lot of shit’s gone down these past few years and we’ve hardly been silent witnesses… but this is the first time I’ve seen IT comprehensively outraged. Meaning he’s not even joking, not even a bit. And he’s been like this for days!

  40. ugh

    ” I am determined not to increase the overall tax burden. I am absolutely determined not to increase the overall tax burden on anyone.

    – August 15, 2013.”

    Why do I get a horrible sinking feeling Abbott will try and weasel his way out of this promise and all the others by saying “because we will repeal the carbon tax we’ll lower everyone’s taxes just like I promised and because high income earners aren’t paying the carbon tax anymore their overall tax burden wont increase because of this new debt tax so shut up”?

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