Day 10 of a broken promise

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62 Responses to Day 10 of a broken promise

  1. Infidel Tiger

    That flabby Arab and the punch drunk Limey have cooked it. I can not believe what is about to take place.

    I’m seldom angry, but the debt levy is the final straw. I spent from 2010 to 2013 praying for an election and now we are right back were we started. A lying swine of a man hosing us for nothing but symbolism and hatred of success. Cnut.

  2. Infidel Tiger

    Terry “in the can” McCann is not happy with you, Sinc.

    Commentator after commentator has screeched “broken promise, broken promise” — mostly, without identifying the supposed promise, or occasionally pointing to a Tony Abbott quote which in fact proved there was no broken promise. The most extreme example of this cocktail of hysteria, falsehood and stupidity came from the normally sensible Sinclair Davidson on the normally estimable Catallaxy blog.

  3. Fisky

    It must drive the Left nuts to think we were going to be a bunch of Liberal patsies as soon as Abbott moved into Kirribilli. They don’t seem to get that we are fucking angry at statists whether they call themselves “Liberal” or “Labor”. And it seems some dopey cnuts in the Murdoch press missed it as well.

  4. JC

    Commentator after commentator has screeched “broken promise, broken promise” — mostly, without identifying the supposed promise, or occasionally pointing to a Tony Abbott quote which in fact proved there was no broken promise

    Lol Abbott certainly did say he wasn’t going to raise taxes. Furthermore he continually told us that Labor had a spending problem. Lets leave aside the broken promise and accept Abbott’s statements about Labor’s big spending disasters.

    Raising a tax basically means Abbott wants to underwrite labor’s big spending.

  5. GK

    After getting rid of the ALP and having so much expectations of Abbott he is just showing to me he is just another Lefty in the LNP where he wants to keep increasing expenditure (as he wants to be known as the Infrastructure PM) and just tax the actual wealth producers and those that have succeeded in their chosen fields. When is there going to be a real liberal leading the LNP. Just like O’Farrell who once elected showed his true colours, as he was another closet lefty. Is Abbott that self absorbed that he cannot see that he will be doing what he attacked for three years on Juliar. Unbelievable!

  6. Chistery

    The Liberal Party are for small government in much the same way Kevin Rudd was an economic conservative.

  7. tomix

    Fraser did this too. One of his first actions in 1976 was to refuse to issue export licences for sand mining on Fraser Island, killing the industry there. Something Whitlam refused to do.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/cabinet-papers/move-in-new-york-to-stop-sand-mining-ban/story-e6frgda6-1111112762433

  8. Blogstrop

    I wanted keating out and Howard in. That came to pass, but he killed my business. He didn’t do exactly what I wanted. In the long run, the Howard Costello government was seen, and should still be seen, realistically, as being “as good as it gets”.
    You are being idealistic and unrealistic in expecting a libertarian, purist approach from the Abbott government. Those who have actually crossed a line and said we might as well have the ALP back, are very disappointing. But I’m not about to abuse them. They may wake up in due course.

  9. Senile Old Guy

    And this morning’s news is that they are contemplating an increase in fuel excise. So we look to be having the PPL tax (on large companies), a deficit levy and higher fuel prices.

    Abbott government is going well so far. /sarc

  10. Dianeh

    How does increasing taxes reconcile with Abbott’s and Hockey’s rhetoric about creating a business friendly environment to foster economic growth.

    Was I dreaming or was economic growth one of the front line measures to counter the deficit and debt? Increasing taxes is not going to promote economic growth.

    What the fuck is wrong with the govt? Forget shit policy in the name of fairness. Economic growth and a surplus is the best way to counter the criticism. Success is what is needed. Look at the border protection problem. They ignored criticism and implemented their policy and it is working. They need to apply the same process to fixing the budget.

    I am very disappointed in Abbott, Hockey and Corman.

  11. egg_

    It must drive the Left nuts to think we were going to be a bunch of Liberal patsies as soon as Abbott moved into Kirribilli.

    The Left seem to be as confused as anyone, particularly over the relatively friendly press – Credlin’s middle of the road numpty Govt.

  12. johno

    You are being idealistic and unrealistic in expecting a libertarian, purist approach from the Abbott government.

    Are we being ‘idealistic and unrealistic’ in expecting Abbott not to introduce a New Tax when he said before the election that there would be ‘No New Taxes’?

    Labor is unfit to govern, but we must inflict as much pain as we can on Abbott for inflicting a new tax on us when he is already taking way to much tax revenue.

  13. Beef

    The new debt levy mumblings have already assisted in an economic stimulation.
    The upsurge in the demand for ‘Fuck Abbott’ T-shirts has skyrocketed.

  14. Splatacrobat

    Are we being ‘idealistic and unrealistic’ in expecting Abbott not to introduce a New Tax when he said before the election that there would be ‘No New Taxes’?

    Is raising the rate of an existing tax really a new tax? Would reducing the rate of an existing tax also be regarded as a new tax in the same way?

  15. Lem

    Message to LDP: Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to take advantage of the fact that Lab-Lib are joined at the hip and equally on the nose. Get your house in order NOW. Keep all your economic policies and stop talking about crazy social stuff which is none of your business (gay marriage, dope, guns 4all). I predict you will have plenty of people drifting over to your website but they will soon switch off if they see that stuff. If you play this right you have a real opportunity in 2016 for some meaningful power in the senate.

  16. feelthebern

    I wanted keating out and Howard in. That came to pass, but he killed my business.

    What business were you in blogstrop?

  17. Senile Old Guy

    Is raising the rate of an existing tax really a new tax? Would reducing the rate of an existing tax also be regarded as a new tax in the same way?

    A deficit tax is a new tax. Yes, it is an increase in income tax but that is also the case for the Flood Levy (tax) and Medicare Levy (tax). In any case, Abbott banged on during the campaign about the Coalition being the government of low taxes. And then we get a deficit levy and an increase in fuel excise.

    We will see what he does to cut costs but I am skeptical, given he has been dragged reluctantly to make PPL more reasonable.

  18. Splatacrobat

    I wanted keating out and Howard in. That came to pass, but he killed my business.
    What business were you in blogstrop?

    People smuggling?

    Joke Blog

  19. sabrina

    Terry Mccrann writes well, but he is one partisan commentator. Apply your own judgement when you read anything written by him.

  20. Bear Necessities

    To Terry McCrann:

    Abbott set the standard when he said this would be a no surprises government. It wasn’t a no surprises but you will get a debt levy, feul excise increase, etc government.

  21. Rabz

    And this morning’s news is that they are contemplating an increase in fuel excise.

    Great. Just bloody wonderful. A decade and a half of pious greenfilth screeching about hoWARd dropping the indexing of excise and this is what we end up with.

    Implemented of course, by a so called “Liberal” government – who were elected to put a stop to the almost incomprehensible insanity we were subjected to from 2007-2013.

    We have been sold a frigging pup (and no, I’m not referring to that barking mad fat bastard).

  22. Rabz

    Terry McCrann also appears to have imbibed whatever insanity juice it is those numbskulls in the parliament are consuming en masse, the stupid, bearded dildo.

  23. Fleeced

    And this morning’s news is that they are contemplating an increase in fuel excise.

    I’d like to think they’re not that retarded, but evidence suggests otherwise.

    If they move on excise, it will more likely be re-indexation.

  24. Senile Old Guy

    If they move on excise, it will more likely be re-indexation.

    And the difference is?

  25. Fleeced

    Terry McCrann also appears to have imbibed whatever insanity juice it is those numbskulls in the parliament are consuming en masse, the stupid, bearded dildo.

    Yeah, he’s basically outed himself as a Lib version of Ross Gittins over this issue. Disappointing.

  26. Fleeced

    And the difference is?

    At te end of the day? None… but they’ll act like ther is.

  27. egg_

    And this morning’s news is that they are contemplating an increase in fuel excise.

    Did Abbott steal KRudd’s playbook?
    Everyone seems confused by the bizarro world we’ve woken up in.

  28. Rabz

    None… but they’ll act like there is.

    Hey suckers, it’s not an increase in fuel excise, it’s just a “special temporary debt surcharge” on petrol.

  29. whyisitso

    You are being idealistic and unrealistic in expecting a libertarian, purist approach from the Abbott government.

    Also you are being juvenile and rather stupid, Sinclair, in converting to a Greens socialist regime barracker. Yes, Abbott’s a one-term government, as Australians are too childish to support strong government. It’s ME, ME, ME. We’re faced with a socialist/communist government far into the future.

  30. Fleeced

    Bolt has been a bit of a weather vane on this… mostly opposed, but I think he’s too friendly with too many Libs that he’s letting their spin cloud his judgement.

    Anyway, he has a good Abbott quote today:

    …revenue is up 7 per cent this year, it’ll be up 8 per cent next year. The problem is not a revenue problem, the problem is a spending problem.

    So, is revenue a problem, or not?

  31. Combine_Dave

    If it makes you feel better worse, on the radio they had suggested the Government was also going to increase the fuel excises….

    More taxes

  32. Fleeced

    We’re faced with a socialist/communist government far into the future.

    …And that’s just under the Liberal party!

  33. Empire Strikes Back

    Keep all your economic policies and stop talking about crazy social stuff which is none of your business (gay marriage, dope, guns 4all).

    If you want a new conservative party, start your own Lem.

  34. Combine_Dave

    es, Abbott’s a one-term government, as Australians are too childish to support strong government. It’s ME, ME, ME. We’re faced with a socialist/communist government far into the future.

    I don’t think you can hold Sinc responsible for the Libs going off the rails and introduced all of the ALPs promised spending, funding it with cuts to some areas and taxes everywhere else (deficit tax, gst threshold lowering, PPL levy and now an apparent increase in the fuel excise?).

    They have only themselves to blame if they then lose office because of this.

    Cutting existing entitlements is hard. Cutting future entitlements (or deferring) money that’s not yet in the hand is easy ie; NBN, Gonski, NDIS and direct action.

  35. Fleeced

    More taxes

    Seems obvious we’re getting the debt levy now, but I’m hoping some of the other rumours are just fake leaks to make the budget seem “better than we expected” on the night.

    You would certainly hope that after the fallout from this one tax – which they’re stubbornly refusing to remove entirely – that they got rid of any other budget tax surprises, but they haven’t shown themselves to be too bright here.

    So many years campaigning against Labour introducing a new tax at every turn, and their solution is more tax. Insanity.

  36. Combine_Dave

    We’re faced with a socialist/communist government far into the future.

    …And that’s just under the Liberal party!

    Da-Boom-Tish!

  37. Empire Strikes Back

    You are being idealistic and unrealistic in expecting a libertarian, purist approach from the Abbott government.

    Show us where Sinc is demanding that Joe act like Milton’s love child? He isn’t.

    This is about honesty and trust. Get with the program man and quit being an apologist for deceit.

  38. KC

    Is it my imagination or does Tony Jones’ sideways profile makes him a dead ringer for KRudd?

  39. Fleeced

    Is it my imagination or does Tony Jones’ sideways profile makes him a dead ringer for KRudd?

    Yeah, I suppose he does a little.

  40. .

    Brilliant stuff, Professor.

    Keep it up.

    You are being idealistic and unrealistic in expecting a libertarian, purist approach from the Abbott government.

    Bullshit. They branded themselves as small government. They don’t need to be libertarian, they just need to cut spending by a moderate level.

    Here are some guidelines for all up three tier levels of spending:

    25% of GDP – competent, non-corrupt social democrats.
    20% of GDP – the upper limit for honest conservatives.
    15% of GDP – the upper limit pragmatic, electable libertarians can pander to lefties and retain self respect.

    Also you are being juvenile and rather stupid, Sinclair, in converting to a Greens socialist regime barracker. Yes, Abbott’s a one-term government, as Australians are too childish to support strong government. It’s ME, ME, ME. We’re faced with a socialist/communist government far into the future.

    This is insane, Stockholm syndrome crap. Abbott has outed himself as a socialist.

    “Strong government” LOL – sure you’re on the right site, buddy?

    Ask yourself a question. Why has Abbott decided to fund the last 6-7 years of unrealistic, poorly implemented and poison pill ALP promises?

    Direct action?
    The(ir) ABC?

    One has no merit and the other is a disgrace of radical left wing student politics – all funded by the long suffering taxpayer. If he retains these alone, he is a bad economic manager.

    Keep all your economic policies and stop talking about crazy social stuff which is none of your business (gay marriage, dope, guns 4all).

    When the government has less money, they will have less time to harrass kids smoking dope, annoy law abiding shooters (sporting and otherwise) and bring trivial personal affairs into Federal Parliament.

    Which is great because the lower level of taxation will see the private sector grow rapidly every year thereafter massive tax cuts can be made.

  41. A Lurker

    Okay, it’s now a given fact that all politicians lie. Even the ones who say they don’t, will. Even the ones who seem decent, aren’t. Some will put the national interest over self-interest, not many will, but some do – at least for a time, then the rot sets in and self-interest rules. Politics is inherently corrupting, or at least attracts the ambitious, narcissistic, sociopathic, psychopathic slime-balls of our society.

    Then you have others who think they have all the answers and who stubbornly refuse to listen or take advice even when their answers are plainly wrong because they think they’re doing the right thing – even when they’re not. They mean well, but are arrogant in their thinking. They see themselves as on a messianic mission and are bloody-minded about what they are doing. That is the fault of this current Government – they have their heads down blindly running towards a far-off goal (future surpluses) but can’t see the immediate perils of a pissed off electorate and a prospective election loss because of perceived broken promises.

    So someone that Abbott respects (Howard perhaps?) needs to put their foot out and trip this Government before they go sailing over the edge of the precipice.

    As for the rest of us, as I said yesterday – voting for anyone else in the House of Reps (or spoiling your ballot) simply is crazy talk because the only result that will happen, is that the true Communists will get in and wreck Australia. The goal should be to have a censorious Senate that will inject some clear-headed thinking into Government, and stop all the brain-farts that are currently coming out of the Lower House.

  42. Lem

    If you want a new conservative party, start your own Lem.

    I would, except I’m one of the 650,000 individuals doing the heavy lifting in this country, so I’m probably more useful staying where I am.

  43. egg_

    voting for anyone else in the House of Reps (or spoiling your ballot) simply is crazy talk because the only result that will happen, is that the true Communists will get in and wreck Australia.

    Polls are saying just that.
    Maybe the LNP B-graders will learn something when back in opposition?

  44. Gab

    Maybe the LNP B-graders will learn something when back in opposition?

    They’ve learned nothing, nothing, from the clusterf*cks over the last six years, they’re not going to learn anything at all. That is obvious now.

  45. rebel with cause

    I’m not asking for a libertarian government, just a sensible one.

    If someone didn’t vote Liberal at the last election, they are unlikely to ever do so. So why pitch your first budget towards the very crowd that would only vote Liberal on pain of death? It doesn’t make any sense. It’s pure stupidity.

  46. .

    If you want a new conservative party, start your own Lem.

    1. Why not? Time, effort and money. Otherwise, it is a good idea.

    2. The Aus TEA Party already exist, but have not progressed far enough to register, originally they planned on being a pressure group.

  47. Fleeced

    Maybe the LNP B-graders will learn something when back in opposition?

    It’s annoying as hell, but it might be the only way to deal with them in the long term…

    You could continue voting for them on the basis that they’re the “least worst” option, but then they take your vote for granted. The reason they’re pushing ahead with this tax is that they figure we’ll vote for them anyway (and for some retarded reason, think they can scrape some for of the centre-left)

    Alas, if/when we do pull the pin, they’ll probably take that as a sign they need to move even further left – because they really are mentally deficient. This is why we need parties like LDP in the senate

  48. Lem

    If you want a new conservative party, start your own Lem.

    Look, no alternative conservative political party is going to get up and running before the next election, so it is necessary to take what we have and work with it. If that means getting the LDP to polish up their act and junk some of the social statements that they are making which have no place on the mission statement of a party we expect to just friggin manage the economy, then so be it. Having sensible heads in the senate is what it is all about. The greens have demonstrated how effective that strategy is.

  49. Ellen of Tasmania

    Wow. Roskam’s getting radical. Fancy suggesting we should build the wealth before we actually spend it. Where did he find such an idea?

  50. Eddystone

    voting for anyone else in the House of Reps (or spoiling your ballot) simply is crazy talk

    My Lib member is Jamie Briggs.

    Informal is my only sane option.

  51. Ellen of Tasmania

    which have no place on the mission statement of a party we expect to just friggin manage the economy,

    Actually, my great wish is that we get a government who thinks the economy (including the money supply) is none of it’s business and not something they manage at all.

  52. .

    Lem -

    Good government actively eschews managing the economy.

    If revenue was cut by 30-40%, there’d simply be less cash to regulate social affairs.

    Less people would be told what to do, the tax system would be fairer and the economy would boom.

  53. Lem

    Dot..yes..all of that..just manage the tinsy winsy little tiny bit of the friggin economy that we allow them to have in order to maintain law and order.

  54. harrys on the boat

    Income tax hike and a petrol price increase………… but Gonski, NDIS, NBN, ABC, SBS, RET etc will continue pissing tens of billions up the wall.

    My hatred of this Liberal fucking mob is now complete.

  55. James

    Raising the fuel excise…

    I hate the LNP.

  56. Senile Old Guy

    Raising the fuel excise…

    I hate the LNP.

    Look at the bright side…they are not going to be around for long. Oh, wait…

  57. Fleeced

    Strangely, Swan seems to be doing his level best to keep us voting for Libs by reminding us all what a miserable failure he was.

  58. blogstrop

    It doesn’t matter what business I was in. It was weakened over several years by cuts, not taxes.
    Then they added the GST kerfuffle for good measure. A cartoon from one year after the intro of that showed Costello and Howard sitting around a table with a big cake, one candle, and at the third seat a dead cat labelled GST!

  59. Natural Instinct

    As a Cat reader suggested to me when I proposed the outlandish idea that only taxpayers should get a vote (no representation without taxation)…
    …….Voluntary Voting
    Those members of our society who are politically low info, low interest would not bother to turn up. And its is only an Act of Parliament – not in the constitution.
    .
    From the AEC website

    Arguments used in favour of compulsory voting:
    Voting is a civic duty comparable to other duties citizens perform e.g. taxation, compulsory education, jury duty
    Teaches the benefits of political participation
    Parliament reflects more accurately the “will of the electorate”
    Governments must consider the total electorate in policy formulation and management
    Candidates can concentrate their campaigning energies on issues rather than encouraging voters to attend the poll
    The voter isn’t actually compelled to vote for anyone because voting is by secret ballot.
    .
    Arguments used against compulsory voting:
    It is undemocratic to force people to vote – an infringement of liberty
    The ill informed and those with little interest in politics are forced to the polls
    It may increase the number of “donkey votes”
    It may increase the number of informal votes
    It increases the number of safe, single-member electorates – political parties then concentrate on the more marginal electorates
    Resources must be allocated to determine whether those who failed to vote have “valid and sufficient” reasons.

  60. .

    We’ve been supporting voluntary voting for a long time, as does the LDP, and I suspect, IPA and CIS.

  61. Chris M

    My Lib member is Jamie Briggs.

    Informal is my only sane option.

    I thought FF had a reasonable candidate in that area? (No connection and I don’t know who the candidate is…). But I understand Jamie has a safe Lib seat so a bunch of extra informals probably won’t scare them.

  62. Empire Strikes Back

    If that means getting the LDP to polish up their act and junk some of the social statements that they are making which have no place on the mission statement of a party we expect to just friggin manage the economy, then so be it.

    Lem, our lives are already regulated to buggery. Soon enough one will require a $5K permit to jerk off on a Friday.

    The LDP policy position on social affairs, whether you agree with them or not, is less regulation. How do you arrive at the conclusion that a nominally libertarian party ought not agitate for less regulation?

    You’re a conservative, right?

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