Joe Hockey doubles down

We went to the last election promising to introduce a levy for PPL so claims that we said we would never introduce new taxes are just wrong.

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47 Responses to Joe Hockey doubles down

  1. Senile Old Guy

    Joe Hockey doubles down

    …on stupid.

    This is Gillard-level-carbon-tax foolishness on steroids. This is the kind of weaselling, goal shifting, “Well, what I meant…” “It’s not a tax.” “Well, of course, it is a tax.”

  2. egg_

    Joe will be a great wit one day – he’s halfway there already!

  3. StraightShooter

    We fired the last government for LYING about just about everything to try and cover up the mess they made. “There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead”.

    We voted in the current government because they promised “We will stop the boats, stop the big new taxes, end the waste and pay back the debt”. Note the second promise “stop the big new taxes”. If they impose big new taxes then they lied.

    Note the third promise “end the waste” i.e. the waste created by labor, not expenditure on pensions or medicare etc. that was NOT discussed prior to the election. (Not saying that it shouldn’t be discussed, it should and at length, but action should not be taken until that discussion has taken place). Labor’s waste is old business and fair game, pensions and medicare are new business and need much more consultation with the community.

    Achieving the fourth promise, “pay back the debt” by deserting promises two and three is nuts. It shows this government is just as untrustworthy as its predecessor. DO what you promised to do. DON’T turn your promises into lies.

  4. adrian

    I wonder who in gov’t is driving this pro-tax agenda?

  5. Lem

    Shut up Joe. You already have one foot in your mouth.

    ps what’s your electorate saying?

  6. Anthony

    Messrs Shoulda, Woulda and Coulda seem to have taken over the MSM and blogs. But they always do in the two weeks before a federal budget. We’ll all get a laugh when the scores are tallied next Wednesday.

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    Straight Shooter -

    They can do that. They can have their promises to the moochers and also keep their promises regarding cutting tax.

    They can freeze the budget, have efficiency dividends, get rid of direct action and sell off the ABC and SBS.

    They could give moderate income tax cuts and still pay off the debt in two terms of office.

    They lack devotion to their principles, and only loyalty to the promises which enlarge government.

    This is entirely worrying.

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    Anthony
    #1297052, posted on May 8, 2014 at 9:05 am
    Messrs Shoulda, Woulda and Coulda seem to have taken over the MSM and blogs. But they always do in the two weeks before a federal budget. We’ll all get a laugh when the scores are tallied next Wednesday.

    Looks like you’ve soiled your kneepads, son.

  9. Lem

    If you’re the kind of person who thinks a symbolic, high tax rate is more important than how much is actually collected, you’re the problem.
    — Gareth Anderson

    Liberty quote, catallaxy files

  10. Gab

    We went to the last election promising to introduce a levy for PPL so claims that we said we would never introduce new taxes are just wrong.

    But last week he told us the levy was to “share the pain” of paying down Labor’s debt and deficit! Now it’s not?
    Is gullard PM again? Is Hockey a Swan in disguise?

  11. Token

    We went to the last election promising to introduce a levy for PPL…

    That’s right, they promised a big new tax to expand the welfare state that damages the economy in spite of all basic centre right values. They promised not to stop the uncontrolled expansion of the state at the cost to the broader economy.

    They promised to betray there base in awsy Labor and the National Party never would, & they are delivering as promised.

  12. H B Bear

    Yep – keep tellin’ people Sloppy.

    Eventually they will believe you. Worked well with Gillard too.

  13. Roger

    Meet crazy brave uncle Joe.
    At this rate we’re going to have a Shorten led government by 2017 …unless there’s a good narrative that presents itself in the meantime. With long term slow growth predicted across the world that seems unlikely. Disaster looms.

  14. Token

    Is Hockey a Swan in disguise?

    Another machine politician who has no true values.

    A very vain weather vane.

  15. Gab

    TONY ABBOTT: Sabra, the Treasurer and the Prime Minister are making excuse after excuse. Their principle excuse is that somehow the revenue has collapsed. Wrong: revenue is up 7 per cent this year, it’ll be up 8 per cent next year.

    The problem is not a revenue problem, the problem is a spending problem. – May 15, 2013.

  16. Badjack

    Sinclair, are you screaming as loudly for the Govt to get rid of the Public Servants PPL scheme as you are about Abbott introducing one for the rest of the working mothers to be.

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    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/budget-2014/deficit-levy-locked-in-fuel-excise-rise-in-frame/story-fnmbxr2t-1226909589752#

    Deficit levy locked in, fuel excise rise in frame
    DAVID CROWE AND SID MAHER THE AUSTRALIAN MAY 08, 2014 12:00AM
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    TONY Abbott is struggling to quell unrest over a “deficit tax” in next week’s budget as his government considers another incendiary revenue proposal, lifting fuel excise for millions of motorists.

    As Liberal MPs attacked the “virtual confirmation” of the personal tax increase, the government faced mounting fears it would slug families at the fuel pump…

    Really? Are they this fucking dumb?

  18. ar

    The previous government wasn’t just hated for Gillard’s no carbon tax broken promise. They also lied constantly about everything, and executed policy with weapons-grade incompetence.

  19. Andrew

    The politics of this has been abysmal by the Government, almost as bad as the policies. Why would Hockey start proudly claiming that they promised before the election to increase a tax? Why does it give him legitimacy to increase another one which he did not promise to increase?

  20. rebel with cause

    I could have sworn I heard something along the lines of ‘this reckless spending must stop, age of entitlement is over, no new taxes…’ in the leadup to the election. Did I dream that?

  21. Yon Toad

    Sounds like Abbott and his mates learnt a lot from the other mob while they were sitting opposite them. What next – A rousing speech to the converted on misandry and how Tony will not be dictated to by them other blokes in blue ties?

  22. Token

    Why would Hockey start proudly claiming that they promised before the election to increase a tax? Why does it give him legitimacy to increase another one which he did not promise to increase?

    The tone deaf moron has been parroting the toxic class warfare rhetoric that turns the stomach of any person that is not broken by envy & hate.

    Is it any surprise he now is telling the world that the Labor-Lite party is a party committed to taxing & spending at a time when government revenues are still artificially high due to the tail end of the resources boom?

  23. Bruce of Newcastle

    This is rubbish, and Hockey should know better than to try and pass this crud off on the voters. We have exquisite bullshit detectors after 6 years of training by RGR and their pet spinmeister John McTernan.

    The PPL levy was a net zero change in tax for large companies. Indeed it was an effective tax reduction, because large companies usually have a PPL of their own which they would no longer have to stump up for. The company tax rate was being lowered from 30% to 28.5%, then the 1.5% was “put back” as the levy on big companies.

    So Hockey is now spinning an actual tax rise as the same as a real tax net reduction. I thought we were over this stuff when the ALP were booted out last year for lying endlessly.

    No Mr Hockey, you cannot get out of it with this crap excuse. And lying to us just makes it worse for you.

    You want to fill the ALP budget hole? Cut the ABC off from public funding. They are a wing of the ALP in essence anyway – why should we have to cough up for their propaganda?

  24. Vicki

    ps what’s your electorate saying?

    I’m in Abbott’s electorate, Joe’s electorate is adjacent. The local punters naively believe that he won’t actually implement the Deficit Tax.

    “Wait for Budget night”, they say.

    Many who have companies are not concerned anyway, as they believe that there will be a reduction in company tax. But those who are PAYG are in for a big shock, and also those who run small businesses & are sole traders.

    Joe’s pathetic argument that the PPL gives them license to introduce other taxes (or should I say “levies”), is just sophistry. And Joe, you might raise a few laughs in Parliament, but you’re looking like an extremely pale imitation of Peter Costello.

  25. Robert O.

    It seems that the government is beholden to the public service which greatly increased during the Rudd/Gillard years. The time has come for some lateral thinking and very strong decisions: Governments do not create anything much apart from red and now green tape which constrains initiative.
    Sure we need a regulatory framework to work within, but not the current snakes and ladders framework.
    Abolish the Climate Dept. and no grants to soothsayers; abolish most of the quangoes and endless advisory committees; drastically reduce Commonwealth Health, Education and Environment Depts. to a couple of souls and let the states run their shows. The commonwealth doesn’t have a hospital, nor runs a school. Do we need this duplication? It is efficient for the government to collect taxes from companies and citizens and then distribute the moneys back to the states with a lot of strings attached by the Canberra bureaucrats?

  26. Adam D

    The argument seems to go that we must all share the pain of the budget. The revenue raised is really a sidenote. As dot said earlier are they really this fucking dumb?

    1. Do they expect the left to ever give them credit? They could wipe out world hunger and cancer and labor would still get 30% of votes. Are you that fucking dumb?

    2. You would replicate almost perfectly the one thing swing voters hated most about labor, a bald faced lie, with no respectable reason behind the backflip, and then the hours of airtime arguing semantics because that works so well. Are you that fucking dumb?

    3. To top it all off the policy itself is a disgrace. It’s completely watered down as to be pointless, it defies any economic basis, and actually hinders the problem of fixing debt. Are you that fucking dumb?

    There’s only one thing I hate more than the contemptible left and that is the jellyfish right. We just had an election and gave you a mandate to ignore the screaming harpies if the left and all you cocks want to do is please them. Grow a pair and cut spending by a percentage that has 2 digits in it. If you want to learn anything from labor why not copy the unintended strategy if having do many unpopular decisions at once that none if them get enough air time or traction. Simultaneosly piss off the charities, education departments, environmentalist, trade unions, health departments, and social parasites and the bad press will be bottlenecked sufficiently for the economic reforms to come to fruition and the royal commissions to take the heat off.

    Seeing you will ignore my advice I shall hope and pray for the rise if the LDP. So dot can you let David know to stop focus on the fringe issues (all of which I agree with) but to hammer freedoms and taxes so as to build some support. Liberals are giving free kicks to everyone

  27. Senile Old Guy

    Joe’s pathetic argument that the PPL gives them license to introduce other taxes (or should I say “levies”), is just sophistry.

    Exactly. And the Gang of Three continue ask the “voters to trust them”.

  28. Token

    But those who are PAYG are in for a big shock, and also those who run small businesses & are sole traders.

    Don’t worry, the Labor-Lite Party will allow the ATO to continue to use the heavy handed powers granted to them by the Labor Party to impose costly audits and punative damages when the effected people start moving their operations into company & trust structures.

  29. Token

    Do they expect the left to ever give them credit?

    Do they keep showing up on the ABC?

    Do they keep funding the lefty gatherings (arts festivals, law centres like that one in Fitzroy) where the hate mongers stir the masses with endless lies about the “fascist” Coalition?

    The Labor-Lite party really is committed to show the word via their actions they are Insane per Einstein’s defintion:

    “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

  30. Bloody Fabian Socialists, the lot of ‘em.

  31. egg_

    The shorter Joe: we know we’re slugging the middle – but you’re getting PPL, so ShutUp!

    Nice try, dumkopf, it won’t wash.

  32. Barney

    Has Hockey employed Julia Gillard as his media adviser?

  33. Sir Fred Lenin

    Politicians are like the old Irish guy who said,”you never wanna beleive a word I say,Im a terrible liar”.
    It seems the national green LABORAL pardee make this obligatory to its candidates and aparatchiki.

  34. wreckage

    Well, if they do carry on with this, the lesson from the electorate should be sharp and brief.

    We voted the ALP OUT you twits.

  35. Baldrick

    The more I hear from Joe and Tony, the more I like Scott.

  36. sabrina

    Joe’s demeanour does not inspire any confidence in me about hs intellectual capacity. I wonder how he/other pollies would have done in the real world had they not come into politics.

  37. Infidel Tiger

    Joe’s demeanour does not inspire any confidence in me about hs intellectual capacity. I wonder how he/other pollies would have done in the real world had they not come into politics.

    Joe would have run a butcher shop that went bankrupt from eating all the profits.

  38. johanna

    Joe was briefly a lawyer in the finance industry (one of the big merchant banks, IIRC) before getting onto the political track, beginning as an adviser.

    So no, he has never had a proper job.

  39. Anne

    Sabrina, Joe’s parents were small business people. Their complaint was that they could never keep female staff because government jobs offered maternity benefits. His PPL is supposed to address this. He said to an IPA gathering before the election that the PPL would be paid for by big business for small business.

  40. Anne

    Johanna

    So no, he has never had a proper job.

    Both Joe and Mr Abbott, and frankly many others, have been at the trough too long. They start to think it’s their money.

    When a ‘true to values’ centre right party emerges on the main stage, as it will, I hope they impose limited tenure for all politicians.

  41. Gab

    Abbott has actually worked in industry, not that you’d know it.

  42. Anne

    When a ‘true to values’ centre right party emerges on the main stage, as it will, I hope they impose limited tenure for all politicians.

    …and get rid of councils!

  43. Grigory M

    The more I hear from Joe and Tony, the more I like Scott.

    I like Scott too – just not sure if the Navy could be as useful to him in Treasury and Finance – their ability to spend money might not really work out.

  44. Justin

    Hockey is probably right that he did say that. The problem is they made contradictory promises all over the place so somewhere they are going to break promises. You can’t be all things to all people. The bottom line is that the Coalition undeniably stated the problem was one of spending not revenue. And they promised to be the party of lower taxes even if they didn’t actually propose a tax cut. We all remember the “you can’t tax your way to prosperity” line. The deficit tax is both bad economics and bad politics as is the steeper means testing to FTA. I don’t think many liberal voters signed up for a 0.5% increase in the medicare levy, reduction in FTA, and getting hit with a deficit levy. Upper-middle families with dependent children already fare pretty poorly in terms of taxation horizontal equity, and contributing almost two thirds of total income tax, and receiving precious little in terms of benefits. These measures clobber them. That a Liberal Government would do it is beyond the pale. More so because the government doesn’t have the ticker to take to the plethora of rent seekers and special interests sucking on the government teat that don’t even vote for them. Pathetic.

  45. Tony Abbott, August 11, 2013:

    “The only party that will raise taxes after the election is the Labor Party.”

    Case closed.

  46. Let’s get something clear about the PPL levy.

    They lowered company tax by 2.5 percent then put on a PPL levy of 2.5 percent. Net change to companies paying the levy: zero. They were very clear before the election that this mean there would be no tax increase for companies.

    ( by the way, this also means that the PPL isn’t funded at all – it’s just an accounting sleight of hand to call it “fully funded” but that’s another story)

  47. James B

    Did you hear the fat fuck is going to hike the petrol tax?

    The stupid fat socialist fuck.

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