“There will be no balanced budget under a government I lead”

Suppose Gillard had said that, suppose she had said there would be no balanced budget under a government she led, and had then broken the promise. Suppose she had done that. You know what? It wouldn’t have bothered me a bit.

The problem with the broken promise on carbon taxes was not just that she had lied but that it was bad policy. The carbon tax has sent manufacturing industry out of this country, made Australia a very expensive place to live and do business, and raised government revenue which it was able to squander at every turn.

The carbon tax lie was a game changer. It brought the ALP into government in a hung Parliament. If she hadn’t said it, Tony Abbott would have been Prime Minister three years sooner than he was.

The last election did not turn on whether or not there would be tax increases as part of a package to balance the books. The last election turned on whether we could get a decent set of economic managers, along with a slew of other things such as stopping the boats.

The Government we now have looks set to deliver an adult government. I have plenty of bones to pick with what it is doing (or not doing) but nothing they do to taxation will make the slightest difference to my wish to see them succeed as the government of this country which so far they are doing infinitely better than the mob they have replaced.

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172 Responses to “There will be no balanced budget under a government I lead”

  1. Michel Lasouris

    Thank you Steve…thank you. The perfect antidote to an increasingly deranged and shrill Sinclair

  2. A Lurker

    Steve, yours is a rare sane voice. Thankyou!

  3. stackja

    which so far they are doing infinitely better than the mob they have replaced.

    Agree!

  4. Michel Lasouris

    And ,please, no expletive laden ripostes from I T and his ilk

  5. Rabz

    Suppose Gillard had said that, suppose she had said there would be no balanced budget under a government she led, and had then broken the promise. Suppose she had done that.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world

  6. candy

    Great words of support, Steve. So much nicer to be positive about the future!

  7. Joe Goodacre

    Thanks Steve.

    Amen for some perspective.

  8. mareeS

    Voice of sanity, Steve!

  9. egg_

    Gillard caved in to/blinked at the Greens.
    Abbott caved in to/blinked at the Left.
    Next.

  10. Fibro

    Steve, I hear you with an additon.

    I really don’t give stuff if it’s Labour, Liberal, Democrap, Green Stripe Yellow, Purple, Independent or the friggin Country Scone Tea Party. Simple.

    Get the fuck out of my life, stop wasting my fuckin money, do what you are there to do and stop bullshitting. The governments ONLY charter is to defend the country, provide infrastructure and uphold the constitution. The rest is just pure interfering bollocks.

  11. whyisitso

    Thank you Steve…thank you. The perfect antidote to an increasingly deranged and shrill Sinclair

    Thank you Michel. Could there be a hope for the return of sanity to this blog?

  12. James in Melbourne

    Steve, that is true, but I for one simply did not expect – and will not condone – the political suicide of a dumb decision that did not have to be made.

    If they implement a deficit/debt ‘levy’ – which is a new tax, despite whatever weasel words, stoat statements or ferret formulations with which the PM tries to obfuscate that fact – they will be pilloried as liars and promise-breakers just as effectively as they pilloried Gillard. And the accusations will be true.

    I am very pissed-off that they seem intent on destroying the Party’s moral credibility because they are not prepared to do the hard yards of cutting unnecessary spending.

    It is an absolute joke that the geniuses in the PM’s office are throwing away the government’s “adults” advantage for no gain whatsoever. We all know how the ALPBC will run with this. Dealing that incompetent Shorten back into the game with a priceless free-kick – and dumb 50-metre penalty on top, taking him into the goal square – is just so needlessly stupid, it beggars belief.

    That is why Coalition voters are restive – because Abbott and his office have weakened at the first whiff of grapeshot.

  13. stackja

    Michel Lasouris
    #1298613, posted on May 9, 2014 at 12:02 pm
    And ,please, no expletive laden ripostes from I T and his ilk

    IT does add flavour though. Even if Tabasco.

  14. ProEng

    I add my voice of assent and thanks.

  15. Infidel Tiger

    And ,please, no expletive laden ripostes from I T and his ilk

    Fat chance of that fuck knuckle.

  16. H B Bear

    I hope I never live to see another criminally incompetent government as bad as Rudd-Gillard. They have set Australia back decades.

  17. Perpetual Motion

    Dateline 2016:
    The problem with the broken promise on the income and fuel taxes was not just that he had lied but that it was bad policy. The new taxes slowed economic growth and increased unemployment, particularly in the retail sector. It made balancing the budget even more difficult, and raised even more government revenue which it was able to squander at every turn.

    The debt tax lie was a game changer. It brought the LDP into government but immediately shredded their credibility and integrity. If he hadn’t done it, Tony Abbott would have been Prime Minister for a decade.

  18. Infidel Tiger

    Says much about Kates that he has been hammering Obama for doing the same thing as Abbott is about to commit to, but gives Tonia Gillott a pass.

    Piss weak and unprincipled. I think we can discount anything he has to say in the future.

  19. stackja

    IT can be discounted anything has to say in the future.

  20. jupes

    You have nailed the problem Steve.

    Every sane person in Australia knows how incompetent and corrupt Labor were (and there’s zero evidence they have or will improve) so there is no chance they will vote for them in the near future.

    The Coalition takes this for granted but now seem to want to appease the left for some strange reason. By doing this, they have pissed off their base big time. The problem is there is no conservative party in Australia.

    The time is now ripe for a party similar to UKIP to give a real alternative to conservative voters.

  21. val majkus

    Amen for some perspective.

    totally agree! Hard decisions to get us off the welfare dependency mode and to get the budget repaired are necessary – and won’t be popular
    and Politicians should share in the pain – away with Gold passes and study trip rorts
    I’m not in the category that will be subject to the ‘deficit levy’ (assuming it’s $150,000) but if I were I would resent paying it on the basis I would be paying for the decisions of all those voters out there who gave us the Rudd/Gillard Govts Notbecause it’s a broken promise

  22. stackja

    val majkus
    #1298689, posted on May 9, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    Very few ALP voters pay for ALP promises.

  23. whyisitso

    there is no chance they will vote for them in the near future.

    Utter bullshit…have a look at ALL the current opinion polls. There’s mass hysteria in election-land, and the Australian voters are headed for self-immolation, as you can see from this blog.

  24. mundi

    I think there is gain in the debt Levi. We know that liberal supports are never going to go back to labor over a 1% tax hike on those over $180k. However it is likely to win some newbie points with disgruntled voters – Abbott can say he is making the rich pay and that the cuts would be deeper otherwise. People who tend left love to see others taxes while they missed out.

  25. Joe Goodacre

    H B Bear,

    I hope I never live to see another criminally incompetent government as bad as Rudd-Gillard. They have set Australia back decades.

    Confession – I voted Kevin 07.

    The shame.

  26. Perpetual Motion

    More tissues please! There’s a whole conga-line of Abbott-gobblers in here!

  27. Splatacrobat

    Abbott can say he is making the rich pay and that the cuts would be deeper otherwise. People who tend left love to see others taxes while they missed out.

    Unfortunately the left will make a bigger noise about a broken promise from the right than the Libs whacking the rich with a tax.

    The left wear their hypocrisy like a badge of honour. They don’t take kindly to the right stealing their policies.

  28. Infidel Tiger

    Utter bullshit…have a look at ALL the current opinion polls. There’s mass hysteria in election-land, and the Australian voters are headed for self-immolation, as you can see from this blog.

    It’s great isn’t it! Australians may be a bunch of panty waisted jelly backs but we don’t like being lied to… Except for rusted on ilLiberals who seem to get aroused by it.

  29. Empire Strikes Back

    Thanks for flushing the varmints out SK.

    The conservative cowards pole smoking competition will commence in 10 minutes. Jellyback tossers one and all.

  30. Eddystone

    val majkus
    #1298689, posted on May 9, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    I’m not in the category that will be subject to the ‘deficit levy’ (assuming it’s $150,000) but if I were I would resent paying it on the basis I would be paying for the decisions of all those voters out there who gave us the Rudd/Gillard Govts Notbecause it’s a broken promise

    Exactly how I feel val.

    Plus the ‘paying our fair share’ insult just for good measure.

  31. .

    jupes
    #1298682, posted on May 9, 2014 at 12:43 pm
    The time is now ripe for a party similar to UKIP to give a real alternative to conservative voters.

    T.E.A. Party of Australia?

  32. MemoryVault

    Oh the ironing.

    A thread dedicated to praising the moral fortitude of the Fiberals, precisely at the same time that it is announced they’ve crawled into bed with the Liar’s Party and the Greenfilth, to keep any competition from real conservatives out of the Senate.

    A follow-up post on Liberal Party integrity perhaps, Steve?

  33. egg_

    look at ALL the current opinion polls. There’s mass hysteria in election-land

    The great unwashed are revolting, aren’t they?
    Good.

  34. Hawkeye P.

    “I am very pissed-off that they seem intent on destroying the Party’s moral credibility because they are not prepared to do the hard yards of cutting unnecessary spending.”

    Sums up the issue perfectly, IMHO.

  35. cohenite

    Fat chance of that fuck knuckle.

    Come on IT there must be something you like about Abbott; for instance he is not Sarah 2-dads [insert whatever name you think more appropriate]. Or do you think he is Sarah in drag, or whatever the reverse of that is.

  36. Infidel Tiger

    I used to think he was a stuttering socialist shandy drinker, but a good bloke.

    He’s not a good bloke. He’s a lying swine and I would punch him in his ovaries until his toenails fell off given the chance.

  37. tgs

    Thanks for flushing the varmints out SK.

    The conservative cowards pole smoking competition will commence in 10 minutes. Jellyback tossers one and all.

    Haha, too right.

  38. Rabz

    A follow-up post on Liberal Party integrity perhaps, Steve?

    Guest written by stacks and that monstrous ol’ git whyisitso.

  39. handjive

    The internet never forgets.

  40. ar

    If she hadn’t said it, Tony Abbott would have been Prime Minister three years sooner than he was.

    If NSW Liberals hadn’t fucked up western Sydney and Central Coast campaigns, Gillard would be nothing but an anecdote to Krudd’s failed first (and only) term…

  41. brc

    If NSW Liberals hadn’t fucked up western Sydney and Central Coast campaigns, Gillard would be nothing but an anecdote to Krudd’s failed first (and only) term…

    And just a laughing stock, a humorous punch line to failures. (oh wait)

    On the other hand the AWU-WRA calls wouldn’t have been raked over. So there is that. She did manage to spawn a RC into union corruption. A failed government, a wounded economy, a rise in unemployment, a thousand dead at see, a RC into her paymasters, and a record low primary vote for her party.

    All in a days work for your average socialist, really. The entertainment value was unmatched, but the price was (is) unbearable.

  42. Gab

    Suppose Abbott said:

    “There will be no new taxes or increases on taxes under a government I lead.”

    Wait, what? he did say that. Oops, there goes another lie, another broken promise.

  43. Andrew

    Higher tax is poor policy. Gillarding himself is poor politics. Handing your base to populists like the Skywhale to (at best) have a perpetual hung parliament is poor administration. Punishing the wealthy is poor precedent. (Failing to destroy the treasonous ABC is poor foreign relations.) The whole disaster is poor productivity. Lurching to the Left is poor reward for voting for him. Dropping 5% in the polls is a poor reflection on our futures from 2016.

    On the bright side, the deficit will be 0.5bn lower, less the effect of any multipliers.

    The fact that he fucked me over personally with the tax makes me angrier than I would otherwise be, but my view would be similar if he taxed stuff I wasn’t invested in like coal power stations (for example).

  44. Gab

    Shorter Dr Kates: a broken promise from Labor is bad; a broken promise from Liberal is good.

  45. egg_

    Tonia Gillott

    Toni ALPott?

  46. viva

    Another Steve by the name of Price similarly stood in contrast with a foaming-at-the-mouth Andrew Bolt on radio the other night saying “if a promise has to be broken to fix the budget – it has to be broken”.

    Even so I can appreciate the passion of these who feel rage at a broken promise and think the rest of us have no self respect and just don’t get it – because that’s exactly how I feel about those who are quite happy to continue as the Queen’s Australian subjects!

  47. Gab

    Even so I can appreciate the passion of these who feel rage at a broken promise and think the rest of us have no self respect and just don’t get it -

    I never thought Abbott would be just like gullard and Rudd. I believed him to be a man of integrity and honesty. Head and shoulders above the rest. More fool me.

  48. Combine_Dave

    T.E.A. Party of Australia?

    Based on the well poisoning tarring of the USA Tea Party by the MSM in Australia that’s an old dog that won’t hunt.

    Better to reform the Libs or even support the LDP than create splinter to an additional right wing party in Australia.

  49. Combine_Dave

    This:-

    Higher tax is poor policy. Gillarding himself is poor politics. Handing your base to populists like the Skywhale to (at best) have a perpetual hung parliament is poor administration. Punishing the wealthy is poor precedent. (Failing to destroy the treasonous ABC is poor foreign relations.) The whole disaster is poor productivity. Lurching to the Left is poor reward for voting for him. Dropping 5% in the polls is a poor reflection on our futures from 2016.

  50. Petros

    Isn’t this a Libertarian blog? If so, WTF are you saying, Steve? We have a vindictive, high-tax, scaled income tax system. Fuck off. They take enough of my money already. Piss off to Fairfax where you belong.

  51. Perpetual Motion

    “if a promise has to be broken to fix the budget – it has to be broken”.

    viva, if Abbott did the following I’d probably forgive him:
    Delay Direct Action, NDIS, Gonski and PPL until the budget is back in surplus
    Cut public service numbers, savagely
    Cut ABC funding to it’s 2007 level
    Slash foreign aid
    Abolish the Human Rights Commission
    Abolish Federal Health and Education Departments
    Abolish anything with “Green” or “Climate” in its name.
    Abolish as many other tax-eating time-wasters as possible
    Tighten all pensions eligibility
    Scrap or severely reduce all middle-class welfare
    Reduce alcohol and tobacco taxes
    Ditch the Luxury Car Tax
    If the budget is still out of whack, he should cut another 100 councils and quangos at random, and then I’d forgive his broken promise.
    He’d still have to man up, apologise and admit that it is a broken promise though. No weasel words.

  52. viva

    Gab IMO since public life is so full of comprises, pressures, least bad options, non-stop demands and conflicting expectations, pollies are bound to blot their copybook sooner rather than later. Investing one’s feelings in supporting them is bound to end in tears (as Obama’s fans quickly found out). Even though coming to this conclusion some years ago, I too was tempted again to invest emotionally in Abbott. I found out he has feet of clay on other issues, but unlike Gillard who was all about personal power, I believe he is trying to do the right thing by the country however messy that process ends up being.

    I am reminded of that Yes Minister episode where Jim Hacker’s wife tells him that, unlike Sir Humphrey Appleby, like a whisky priest, he at least has enough moral sense to know when he’s done the wrong thing.

  53. .

    Combine_Dave
    #1298840, posted on May 9, 2014 at 3:02 pm
    Better to reform the Libs or even support the LDP than create splinter to an additional right wing party in Australia.

    I agree, but some here don’t want nor are libertarians. We should try to accommodate them to a party which has something in common at least.

    Well said, PM. Quite a worthy list.

  54. James in Melbourne

    that’s exactly how I feel about those who are quite happy to continue as the Queen’s Australian subjects!

    Only because we’re not her “subjects” in any way, that’s why. That the link is wholly symbolic, utterly vestigial and totally apt – because it’s no accident where we got our institutional, constitutional, legal and philosophical framework – is precisely why so many of us like it and want to keep it. Deal with it.

  55. MemoryVault

    I agree, but some here don’t want nor are libertarians. We should try to accommodate them to a party which has something in common at least.

    Why?
    They already have four major parties committed to socialist ideals. Let them choose one of them.
    Perhaps Steve could do them up a comparison chart with four columns listing their “virtues”:
    Fiberals, Country Socialists, Liars Party, Greenfilth.

  56. rebel with cause

    Reduce alcohol and tobacco taxes

    I’ll happily pay the debt levy if they did this. Not because I think the levy is a fair (or necessary) whack, but because the entertainment value of lefties heads exploding with lower sin taxes would make it worth it.

  57. .

    MV

    The T.E.A. Party from what I can see will not run with socialism.

    I however, endorse people to vote, join, donate and stand for the LDP, and join and donate to the IPA and CIS.

  58. Perpetual Motion

    I’ll happily pay the debt levy if they did this. Not because I think the levy is a fair (or necessary) whack, but because the entertainment value of lefties heads exploding with lower sin taxes would make it worth it.

    Maybe have cigarettes sold in brightly-coloured packages with pictures of laughing girls in bikinis. Not essential for forgiveness but it would do wonders for the perception of Abbott as a bit dour.

  59. dan

    I only have one thing to say in response

    We will have an effective 49% top marginal tax rate.

    There is nothing more to say.

  60. Boambee John

    “I think there is gain in the debt Levi. ”

    At the very least, it will apply to the ABC’s on-screen “stars”.

  61. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Viva, if a ‘whiskey priest’, aka Abbott, ends up as PM, I don’t want him to be contrite, I want him to reform, take a clear-eyed view of what he is doing wrong, and then stop doing it. Silly of me I know, to want some simple common sense and adherence to principles to shine forth in government, instead of the pussy-footing flailing around we look like getting with this budget. OK Steve K. We will live with it. We will probably even vote for them again to avoid Labor loonies. But we don’t have to like it. I am glad Catallaxy has made this plain to them. A forgiving Mrs. Hacker we are not.

  62. Michel Lasouris

    About IT…Just wunnerful init? One just has to prod him, and out spews the bile; as predictable as the rising sun. I used to think he wasn’t bad at all and have even supported his viewpoint on occasions ( the lucky lad) but it seems he’s lost the plot completely and lashes out in all directions. Poor old sod he’s becoming positively apoplectic.
    To Jupes and the Dot..How about ANZIP

  63. egg_

    TerjeP
    #1298911, posted on May 9, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Yup, zero brand differentiation.

  64. Walter Plinge

    There’s no loss of votes in decimating the public service. It could be a vote-winner in fact.

    Victorian cats will recall Jeff Kennett’s budget repair poll tax. I think it was $100 per person irrespective of income, collected along with municipal taxes. People realised the Cain-Kirner Labor governments had turned Victoria into the rust bucket state and urgent action was required. People just gritted their teeth and paid. It didn’t affect votes in the next election as I recall.

  65. James B

    Fuck off, apologist.

    Fuck Abbott, I hope he burns in fucking hell. Now he’s changing the voting laws to lock out competition. It never ends with this fucking phony.

  66. crocodile

    The carbon tax has sent manufacturing industry out of this country

    I suppose the decade and a half march south of falling productivity growth has nothing to do with it either.

  67. Ellen of Tasmania

    They already have four major parties committed to socialist ideals. Let them choose one of them.

    Good grief, Memory, do you think that anyone who isn’t a libertarian based on secular humanism isn’t a libertarian, or at least a liberty-loving, small government person at all?

    Dot’s quite right – we should be thinking about alliances that could work together to shrink government spending and oversight. LDP, FF and Tea Party could be a good mix (although I don’t know much about the Aussie T.P.).

  68. Gab

    Now he’s changing the voting laws to lock out competition. It never ends with this fucking phony.

    he’s doing what now?

  69. Yobbo

    Typically arse-licking post from Steve Kates the conservative fellatist.

  70. Gab

    falling productivity growth

    started in 2008.

  71. Senile Old Guy

    he’s doing what now?

    Gab, changing voting rules in the senate, with the able assistance of Labor and the Greens.

  72. James B

    Gab: you haven’t read about the voting law reforms?

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/committee-calls-for-sweeping-changes-to-senate-voting/story-fn59niix-1226911656526#

    Funny thing is that these reforms (optional preferential voting) are a massive boon to the Greens. They’ll ensure Labor will get 2 seats in every state, and the Greens will get 1. That means that the Liberal Party + independents will never again have control of the Senate. EVER.

    I’m telling you, Abbott is a fucking red. This isn’t a joke. Abbott is a fucking communist liar in disguise. You may think I’m stupid for saying this, but pay fucking attention. He’s a big government conservative and he always has been.

  73. Gab

    Funny thing is that these reforms (optional preferential voting) are a massive boon to the Greens. They’ll ensure Labor will get 2 seats in every state, and the Greens will get 1. That means that the Liberal Party + independents will never again have control of the Senate. EVER.

    if that is accurate then Abbott really is a major dumbarse.

  74. Fisky

    The major parties have agreed to sweeping changes to Senate voting in a move which would abolish mysterious preference deals that allowed micro parties to claim spots in last year’s election.

    With the support of the Coalition, Labor and the Greens, the recommendations are almost certain to pass through both houses of Parliament.

    What do the changes mean?

    ABC election analyst Antony Green says the recommendations do away with the existing system that allows for backroom deals on preferences between parties.
    Recommendations from the inquiry include tripling the number of party members needed to register a party, and changing the rules in the Senate so voters are not obliged to number every box.

    Committee chairman Tony Smith says Labor and the Coalition have worked together to put forward the changes.

    “These changes are designed to restore choice to the voter, restore some clarity, and bring an end to the distortion of electoral will that has been occurring as a result of gaming of the Senate voting system,” he said.

    Any change to voting that is in the interests of the LNP, Lab AND Greens, has got to be a bad thing.

  75. .

    crocodile – I’ve noticed that too, but what is it attributable to?

    I suspect a literal brain drain, increasing ‘quality, WH&S, Green tape etc’, persistent, credit market distorting inflation and increasing barriers to entry to forestry, commercial fishing, financial services etc.

    Ellen – the T.E.A. party of Aus are good enough, but I wonder about their individual authors – the article on the Russian invasion of the Ukraine is unhinged and incorrect. (The EU sucks but Putin is not your friend)

  76. Gab

    and changing the rules in the Senate so voters are not obliged to number every box.

    “These changes are designed to restore choice to the voter

    These two sentences contradict each other.

  77. James B

    Dot: Lee Rhiannon is a big pusher of these reforms. She’s a literal Stalinist.

    It would give so much pleasure to see Tony Abbott and his band of phonies diagnosed with terminal cancer and waste away in agony.

  78. .

    With the support of the Coalition, Labor and the Greens, the recommendations are almost certain to pass through both houses of Parliament.

    The Liberals would prefer to deal with Milne than Leyonhjelm. This is a sickening state of affairs.

    Once I thought the Liberals needed their own small non leftist allies such as the LDP etc.

    Abbott is making me question this. Now I am considering if the political classes are leftists in toto.

    Just remember: I am going to hold JC to account to financially support the LDP in the next Federal general election.

  79. James B

    The Liberals have already started indexing the childcare payment again, undoing one of Labor’s good moves.

    They already did a deal with the Greens to end the debt ceiling.

    And they’re going to do another deal with the Greens to pass a big government welfare scheme, called PPL.

    Dot, you are hopelessly naive. The Liberal Party has never been a small government party. Every successive Liberal PM has massively grown government. And they have ruthlessly crushed challengers to their dominance of the so-called “centre-right”.

    And yet, hordes and hordes of people still vote for them. We would be far better off right now if Labor won the 2013 election. Far, far, far, far better of. And I despise Labor and everything they stand for.

    Yes, the LDP is objectively the best party. Family First is good too. I fear Australians are far too dumb to ever vote for them in large enough numbers though.

  80. .

    James B
    #1298977, posted on May 9, 2014 at 5:26 pm
    Dot: Lee Rhiannon is a big pusher of these reforms. She’s a literal Stalinist.

    She’s also a literal traitor*. She’s lucky. We had a Federal death penalty until 1995.

    *Received payments from the USSR during the Cold War to subvert others against the fight against communism in which millions died to make sure was successful.

    The Liberals would rather deal with her than liberty loving David Leyonhjelm and Peter Whelan.

    Remember when John Humphreys (PBUH) tried to make the LNP more libertarian? He won pre selection against Rudd – then when he dared support liberalism, he got replaced by a no-name uni student candidate.

    The Liberals are backing themselves into a red corner.

    Sullivan’s Law may describe them in 5-10 years.

  81. James B

    The best option at this point is for Labor + Greens to block supply, forcing a new election.

    It’s the only real way they’ll learn. We’ll be in for a decade or two of Labor and Green ruin, but that’s necessary for regrowth.

    We need to re-learn the pain of socialist policies so we can grow the fuck up as a country. The Liberal Party needs to be voluntarily disbanded by its members.

    Having the Libs in power just draws out the death of this country over a longer time period. Howard took our guns.

  82. mareeS

    JamesB at 5.20pm, Why are you so outraged? In politics, as in business, there’s always an agenda. You just have to know it’s there, not necessarily what it is, and set your own agenda accordingly.

    What was it Scully said? “Trust no-one.” Advice from survivors.

  83. .

    I disagree, James.

    The few remaining dries need to kick arse and take names.

    If they are deposed, they can join the LDP and it can be the 1st/2nd/3rd party in the House of Reps.

  84. .

    Why Maree?

    Because Abbot would rather deal with Shorten and Traitor Rhiannon than patriots and liberty lovers, Lleyonhjelm or Whelan.

    FFS.

  85. James B

    Dot: Never knew Humphrey once won Lib pres-election against Rudd. Very interesting.

    The Liberal Party have never had any intention to reduce the size of government. The problem for me is that some people are shocked by this.

    This has been known for a very long time. Figures such as Lang Hancock and John Singleton used to be vocal about this in the Fraser years. John Singleton, an anarcho-capitalist, even funded Labor and drew up advertisement campaigns for them in the Hawke years, just to keep the Liberals out of power.

    http://www.economics.org.au/
    http://economics.org.au/staff/lang-hancock/
    http://economics.org.au/staff/john-singleton-and-bob-howard/

  86. whyisitso

    We need to re-learn the pain of socialist policies so we can grow the fuck up as a country.

    What a bloody idiotic statement this is. What do you think we got in the six years of Rudd/Gillatrd/Rudd/Brown, you fuckwit?

    This blog has descended deep into the communist pit. Even before this last week of Davidson’s idiocy I had my doubts about him for being a bit of a Trott, what with his open border stance. Now confirmed. Steve, someone above advised you to piss off. Perhaps you need to find a sensible blog to continue your excellent insights.

  87. .

    This blog has descended deep into the communist pit. Even before this last week of Davidson’s idiocy I had my doubts about him for being a bit of a Trott, what with his open border stance.

    Ah god this is bullshit.

    Ever seen the immigration and emigration rules to the USSR, or any communist state? Even where Trotsky held sway?

    FFS. Anarchism is not communism. Not unless you are an uneducated 19 year old kid who will fail at university or who is unemployable.

    The only person falling into a pit of leftism is Abbott.

    He’d rather deal with Shorten and Traitor Rhiannon than liberty lovers and patriots, Leyonhjelm and Whelan.

  88. MemoryVault

    Good grief, Memory, do you think that anyone who isn’t a libertarian based on secular humanism isn’t a libertarian, or at least a liberty-loving, small government person at all?

    Ellen,
    I’m not even a libertarian – although in my youth I once was. These days I believe, like communism, it is simply unworkable as a form of government in this modern age, as desirable as it may appear on paper. I don’t mind in the slightest if people form and support political parties with different views to mine, including socialism.

    What I’d like is smaller, more efficient, less intrusive government. But that’s just what I’d like. Others may feel differently, and good luck to them.

    What I DEMAND is honesty. What I voted for in the last election was no new taxes, reduced government expenditure, and a fair deal for those less fortunate. What I’ve got so far is one new tax, one increased tax, no actual concrete plans to significantly reduce government expenditure, and pensioners, school leavers and cripples all thrown under a bus. And it’s not even Budget Night yet.

    If Abbott and his motley crew had simply intended to pick right up and carry on from where the Liars and the Greenfilth left off, at least he should have been honest about it.

    And please no crap about having to raise taxes OR reduce expenditure. There’s 40 to 60 BILLION a year in savings just waiting to be made, WITHOUT seriously inconveniencing anybody but a bunch of public servants who mostly live in two safe Labor seats in the ACT anyway. So there’s not even a political cost.

  89. Tel

    I agree. Indeed I would go one step further and say no Australian should be under obligation to keep a promise, especially if it might happen to be slightly inconvenient.

    The good citizens of Australia made a perfectly reasonable and Democratic decision to splurge now and leave future generations on the hook to pay it back… of course no one ever intended to actually honour such a promise, and this should have been understood by any idiot dumb enough to lend money to any government. Politicians never keep promises, this is established fact, so contracts are for suckers.

    Any of the young Australians who have been nominated to work hard for the benefit of generations that came before them can just shrug and say, “Not my problem, buddy!”

  90. Tel

    Having the Libs in power just draws out the death of this country over a longer time period. Howard took our guns.

    The liberals haggle more earnestly over the price while they are selling us out.

  91. lem

    Well, here I am, one of the high producing milking cows finally finished for the day having the government bleed me white, and what do I find? Those who have declared for the liar and those who haven’t. Names up in lights, you can read them if you go through the thread. What a sorry tale it is for the Catallaxy Files.

    Go on, patsies, put your heads back in the yoke. Not this beast. Informal for my local member and LDP for the senate unless the whole stupid debt levy is dropped.

  92. Alan Moran

    So. Had she said there will be a carbon tax followed by cap and trade in a govt I lead it wd all be ok?

  93. Perpetual Motion

    So. Had she said there will be a carbon tax followed by cap and trade in a govt I lead it wd all be ok?

    Absolutely. She’d have lost the election.

  94. Perpetual Motion

    Well, here I am, one of the high producing milking cows finally finished for the day having the government bleed me white, and what do I find? Those who have declared for the liar and those who haven’t. Names up in lights, you can read them if you go through the thread. What a sorry tale it is for the Catallaxy Files.

    Kates has certainly helped sort the wheat from the chaff today, Lem. You missed lots of fellatio. I hope you brought some spare tissues to help wipe up the mess.

    Whyisitso is particularly befouled, and angrier than ever.

  95. lem

    You missed lots of fellatio

    That’s what happens when you’re always on the chain gang:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xzklsnBTzc

  96. sdfc

    Just how will a temporary tax fix the budget?

  97. lem

    About IT…Just wunnerful init? One just has to prod him, and out spews the bile; as predictable as the rising sun. I used to think he wasn’t bad at all and have even supported his viewpoint on occasions ( the lucky lad) but it seems he’s lost the plot completely and lashes out in all directions. Poor old sod he’s becoming positively apoplectic.

    How lucky for IT to “occasionally” be supported by Michel. I’m sure IT sleeps better for it. And I’ll have you know that what he is “spewing” is not only prophesy, but also described as excellent political comedy. Because we like a good belly laugh when we’re shooting down dickheads. We also like to see their self important little heads explode…who knows why? Fun, I guess.

  98. blogstrop

    What I’ve got so far is one new tax, one increased tax, no actual concrete plans to significantly reduce government expenditure …

    Re -run that past us next week.

  99. Perpetual Motion

    Just how will a temporary tax fix the budget?

    The same way pissing in the Pacific will warm the oceans. I think it was IT said that the other day.

    But IT says lots of vile stuff, so don’t repeat that within Michel’s hearing unless you want to endure another tantrum.

  100. blogstrop

    Geez, so it’s one-liners at ten paces. Rivetting stuff. Thanks goodness for books.
    No one thing will fix the budget, you slogan clams.

  101. candy

    Just how will a temporary tax fix the budget?

    It’s to show equity that all measures are being used, and all levels/groups being affected, not just one sector being “targeted”. Tony Abbott has said it often enough.

  102. Perpetual Motion

    It’s called pandering, Candy.

    Look it up in the dictionary.

  103. jupes

    Family First is good too.

    We’ll see. The current bloke seems quite sensible but the first bloke was a raving loon*.

    * Though he did question climate change.

  104. candy

    It’s called pandering, Candy.

    I think he’s genuine, Perpetual Motion. (what a mouthful of a name!) I think he’s really trying to get the fiscal situation sorted the best way he believes will work.

  105. sdfc

    No Candy, the problem with the budget is long term. A temporary tax does nothing to address that.

  106. viva

    … we’re not her “subjects” in any way, …. .

    Sorry James in Melbourne but the Australian Constitution begs to differ. Let Justice Kirby spell it out for you.

    “Kirby J explains in DJL v Central Authority (2000) 201 CLR 226 at 277-278:

    The Australian Constitution does not refer to the status of ‘citizen’ in relation to native born or naturalized people of the Commonwealth. The ‘people’ are referred to in several places. Elsewhere the people who are entitled to vote are described as ‘electors’. In harmony with the notions of the time, the Constitution refers to the national status of Australians as that of ‘a subject of the Queen’. This has been construed, in contemporary circumstances, to be equivalent to a reference to Australian citizenship.”

    Well the “notions of the time” haven’t changed much have they James – especially where you are concerned.

    http://www.gtcentre.unsw.edu.au/sites/gtcentre.unsw.edu.au/files/mdocs/87_KimRubenstein.pdf

  107. Perpetual Motion

    You can call me Perp.

    You seem really nice, but quite possibly the most naive person I’ve ever come across. You’re either a brilliant troll or just…not.

  108. candy

    No Candy, the problem with the budget is long term. A temporary tax does nothing to address that.

    Well, I tend to think sdfs you may be looking it at in a more nuts and bolts way, rather than the overall objective of achieving fairness and not alienating any sector so that rebellion is lessened to achieve a goal … just in my opinion.

  109. jupes

    It’s to show equity that all measures are being used, and all levels/groups being affected, not just one sector being “targeted”.

    Which is worse than lying about it.

    Punishing people for no other reason than others may be upset if they are not is not “fair”, nor would it be tolerated in any other parts of society e.g. families or workplaces.

    To double down on the stupid by punishing their biggest supporters in this way is as dumb as anything Gillard did (probably – she did some really dumb things).

  110. candy

    You can call me Perp.

    I think that’s what Tony Abbott is on about, Perp, his motivation for it and I understand it’s hurtful to you guys who are affected and feel gutted.

    I did hear him say there should be tax cuts after a couple of years if all goes well. That’s along ways down the track though. The whole thing has to get past the Senate and there’s nothing guaranteed there i don’t think.

  111. lem

    Candy is a really good troll, Perp. See, she/he (don’t want to be gender specific) has become very adept at looking like a slightly stupid and vulnerable female, the type of person who right wing males can’t help to be kind to because they are basically decent. So they allow him/her to derail the thread. It’s not in a bad way, better than numbers. But face it Candy, baby, you are a lefty.

  112. lem

    Perp, case in point. Nobody I know speaks like this, shit the country would be SCLEROSED:

    “I think that’s what Tony Abbott is on about, Perp, his motivation for it and I understand it’s hurtful to you guys who are affected and feel gutted.” Candy quote.

    huh??

  113. Perpetual Motion

    I think that’s what Tony Abbott is on about, Perp, his motivation for it and I understand it’s hurtful to you guys who are affected and feel gutted.

    I won’t be affected. I just think it’s a bad policy which will damage economic growth and increase unemployment. It may well have a negative effect on you Candy, given your somewhat insecure situation.

    As well, it gives Labor a great big class-war stick to beat your hero Abbott with till the end of time.

  114. candy

    I’m not a lefty, Lem. Anyway, I won’t say anymore. It’s pretty touchy subject and divides people.

  115. Candy is a really good troll, Perp. See, she/he (don’t want to be gender specific) has become very adept at looking like a slightly stupid and vulnerable female, the type of person who right wing males can’t help to be kind to because they are basically decent.

    Except that Candy is clearly right-leaning politically. She’s not a troll in the common sense of the word. She’s clearly smarter than her dumb bimbo persona would indicate; but that doesn’t count as trolling.

  116. Perpetual Motion

    Candy is a really good troll, Perp.

    Thanks Lem. She had me going alright. I’ll ignore the silly bint from now on.

  117. viva

    1em

    I take it you are a newbie around here.

    Candy has been a member of this blog for a long time, is liked and has cred.

    Just so you know.

  118. crocodile

    No Candy, the problem with the budget is long term. A temporary tax does nothing to address that.

    Forget the temporary tax. We now have fuel excise rises on the cards. I prefer to call it “Tony’s Carbon Tax”.

  119. Perpetual Motion

    If it was anyone but you viva, that endorsement might carry some weight with me.

  120. viva

    If it was anyone but you and your little big mouth mate I might care

  121. crocodile

    crocodile – I’ve noticed that too, but what is it attributable to?

    I suspect a literal brain drain, increasing ‘quality, WH&S, Green tape etc’, persistent, credit market distorting inflation and increasing barriers to entry to forestry, commercial fishing, financial services etc.

    This topic is important. It deserves a thread of its own outside of a balanced budget discussion.

  122. Perpetual Motion

    If it was anyone but you and your little big mouth

    Make up your mind would you. I don’t know whether to be pleased or offended.

  123. srr

    Well, Catholic (?) Abbott could simply admit that while the devoutly anti-Christian UN exists, we will bloody well keep doing whatever the bloody hell they tell us, such as continuing to give the Eugenics, IVF, Abortion, Euthanasia and human body parts trading industries, all the money they keep demanding, no matter where it has to be taken from.

    Ah, but that may cause a lot of people to stop kicking against the pricks, and simply, quietly, deeply consider some plainly obvious, and so plain as to be bloody ugly, facts, which isn’t at all entertaining, like setting cats, dogs, bears and bullshitters against each other.

  124. .

    Lay off the crack pipe, pal.

  125. sdfc

    He’s like Bird but nowhere near as entertaining.

  126. Yobbo

    The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) will be releasing their alternative budget on Monday, with exclusive coverage from the Australian Financial Review (AFR). No tax increases and an immediate return to surplus. Make sure you buy the Monday AFR for more details.

  127. lem

    well Viva, lets put it this way. Candy may be a really simple sweet left wing troll who has managed to get under the radar of most of the liberal party sycophant wage slaves here

    OR

    Candy could be a really sweet and simple right wing kind of girl. who has got under.. you know the rest

    Simple is the operative. AND before you get all pious, note I said that was better than numbers. But just because someone like Candy SEEMS nice and sweet doesn’t make their point of view more legitimate.

  128. But just because someone like Candy SEEMS nice and sweet doesn’t make their point of view more legitimate.

    Way over-thinking it.
    Candy’s fine.
    You sense that she’s possibly smarter than she appears…. you may be right but that’s not trolling. Nor is having an opinion you disagree with.

  129. Infidel Tiger

    The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) will be releasing their alternative budget on Monday, with exclusive coverage from the Australian Financial Review (AFR). No tax increases and an immediate return to surplus. Make sure you buy the Monday AFR for more details.

    Great stuff. That’ll blow a few minds.

  130. Perpetual Motion

    Well, I’ve never met anyone as monumentally stupid as Candy.
    So either:
    1. She’s Sinc and playing us all for fools
    2. She’s a troll and bloody good at it
    3. She’s for real and as stupid as she sounds

    But she also frequents Bolt which I don’t think Sinc would bother doing. And a troll wouldn’t infest multiple blogs.

    I think she’s probably just dumb.

  131. lem

    Poor Candy. She seems harmless. You never can tell, on line.

    Anyway, looking forward to reading someone elses copy of the AFR on Monday. Not buying the crap.

  132. Infidel Tiger

    Candy’s a nice lady. Go easy.

  133. lem

    Candy’s a nice lady. Go easy.

    chink

  134. Perpetual Motion

    Geez, now I’m confused.

  135. 1. She’s Sinc and playing us all for fools
    2. She’s a troll and bloody good at it
    3. She’s for real and as stupid as she sounds

    I already figured out where she’s coming from (within a reasonably high degree of confidence) and it’s none of those three options. However as a gentleman of class I’m going to keep my opinion to myself, so don’t bother asking.

    Poor Candy. She seems harmless. You never can tell, on line.

    Oh FFS.

  136. lem

    Oh FFS.

    Well put. Soooo…back to politics….

  137. Gab

    For goodness’ sake, people. Candy is not a troll and can sometimes be so sweet she makes my teeth hurt. Regardless, Candy is who she is and she has a mind of her own and her own opinions.
    No need to be carrying on about her in such a way;if you disagree then pick at the opinions not the person.

  138. Perpetual Motion

    Candy is a political operative?

  139. lem

    Well put. Soooo…back to politics….

    Lem 10.26 pm

  140. jupes

    The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) will be releasing their alternative budget on Monday

    Let’s hope David L gets as much coverage as Adam Bandt has recently.

  141. lem

    Candy is a political operative?

    No. Definitely not.

  142. lem

    What must he do Jupes, IYO.

  143. Perpetual Motion

    No need to be carrying on about her in such a way;if you disagree then pick at the opinions not the person.

    She has no real opinions Gab.

  144. Perpetual Motion

    Candy is a political operative?

    No. Definitely not.

    A journalist?

  145. lem

    Sorry Gab, but have to cite this as evidence in the defence of Perps:

    candy
    #1299138, posted on May 9, 2014 at 8:34 pm
    No Candy, the problem with the budget is long term. A temporary tax does nothing to address that.

    Well, I tend to think sdfs you may be looking it at in a more nuts and bolts way, rather than the overall objective of achieving fairness and not alienating any sector so that rebellion is lessened to achieve a goal … just in my opinion.

    I rest my case, but can get more examples if you wish.

  146. Candy is a political operative?
    No. Definitely not.
    A journalist?

    now you’re just being a dick.

  147. jupes

    What must he do Jupes, IYO

    I was refering to the MSM, they have been interviewing Bandt about the budget as if he has something sensible to say.

    On the other hand no doubt David L will have something sensible to say, therefore he will be ignored by the MSM.

    The MSM live in the same Canberra bubble as most politicians. This is the place where things like ‘carbon’ taxes, ‘Gonski’, NDIS, NBN, RET, 18c and debt levies make perfect sense. It will be refreshing to hear a sensible alternate view.

  148. Perpetual Motion

    Thanks Lem, but I’m still completely clueless.

    Obviously you all know something about Candy that I don’t and nobody is going to enlighten me at this stage.

  149. lem

    You know, I had another drink, took a look at what Candy said and it just seemed to make more sense:

    you may be looking it at in a more nuts and bolts way, rather than the overall objective of achieving fairness and not alienating any sector so that rebellion is lessened to achieve a goal

    of course, the hangover could be a killer

  150. Perpetual Motion

    And fuck you Aussiepundit.

    When did I ever get on your case?

  151. Gab

    Girls, please, stop squabbling. You’re all very pretty in your own way.

  152. Perpetual Motion

    You know, I had another drink, took a look at what Candy said and it just seemed to make more sense:

    you may be looking it at in a more nuts and bolts way, rather than the overall objective of achieving fairness and not alienating any sector so that rebellion is lessened to achieve a goal

    of course, the hangover could be a killer

    Is that supposed to mean something?

  153. CatAttack

    What’s worse than a broken promise. Lying about a broken promise. FFS. Just say “Yeh we broke a promise. Sorry but Labor were bloody hopeless with your money and pissed it all away.” Instead we get the it’s not a tax it’s a levy It’s only temporary The dog ate my homework yada yada Now you are taking us for idiots and that is much much worse.

  154. CatAttack

    And the worst of it is we are going to have Bill Shorten and Christine Milne repeat the Liar mantra ad infinitum fir the next three years.

  155. Gab

    Lying about a broken promise. FFS. Just say “Yeh we broke a promise. Sorry but Labor were bloody hopeless with your money and pissed it all away.”

    Yes that’s another thing that really annoyed me. Watching Abbott carry on with the gillard carbon tax denial schtick. Did Abbott learn nothing over the past six years?

  156. lem

    Gab, Abbott is what we all secretly feared, but were too terrified of more Gillard not to vote for.

    Bon soir mes amis.

  157. incoherent rambler

    Julia Eileen Abbott is worse than Gillard. At least it was easy to tell when she was lying (lips moving). With Abbott, you never know.

  158. struth

    When conservatives just accept what the libs dish out, on the basis that the libs are at least better than the labor filth, when they don’t get angry about being lied to, when they see their liberal leader bringing in socialist taxes and ideology into it’s budget, and theyr’e still unwilling to hold him to account, due to “at least being better than the alternative”, you can understand why this country, with all it’s resources, technology, space, agriculture, and many advantages, will never be great. It will always just scrape by, if lucky. The political apathy, and lack of conviction in their politics is depressing. This “shut up , it’s better than some countries” mentality, this “stop wingeing, it’s not as bad as it could be” attitude is the talk of the defeated, apathetic, politically lazy. The talk and attitude that dooms this nation to mediocrity at best.

  159. .

    Infidel Tiger
    #1299243, posted on May 9, 2014 at 10:03 pm
    The Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) will be releasing their alternative budget on Monday, with exclusive coverage from the Australian Financial Review (AFR). No tax increases and an immediate return to surplus. Make sure you buy the Monday AFR for more details.

    Great stuff. That’ll blow a few minds.

    I may actually buy a copy of that piece of shit paper. They will have a quality article form once.

    Head explosions. Good stuff.

  160. Sid

    The first Howard Budget cut $8bn with $7.2bn from the expenditure side. I’d be happy with that ratio in Abbott’s 1st budget, scaled up by a factor of 5-10. Cutting was expansionary….go figure.

  161. Tel

    Cutting was expansionary….go figure.

    You almost seem to be saying that Keynesian economics is a load of tripe.

  162. wreckage

    Even if Keynes was right to the extent that more money = more economic activity, WHY would you get more stimulus from taking money out, burning a bunch of it due to various inefficiencies and administrative costs, then feeding it back in, than if you just left it in?

    This is what I don’t get: if the government can stimulate the economy by shoving $500 per person into it, why can’t it do so by leaving $500 per person in it? And if there’s multipliers, why not let the $500 ride, reap the multipliers over and over, AND get compound interest????

    No wonder the bloody cuts were expansionary!

  163. Sid

    Advice to the gov’t at the time was that deficit reduction would be expansionary if it occurred from the expenditure side…which was the correct advice. The central agencies got it right back then. Not as much faith in the current Treasury.

  164. Andrew

    This is what I don’t get: if the government can stimulate the economy by shoving $500 per person into it, why can’t it do so by leaving $500 per person in it?

    The $900 was accompanied by a campaign to tell people it was their patriotic duty to waste it in true Ruddesque manner – brothels and pokies did a roaring trade, as did Harvey Norman in Chinese TVs so at least OTHER countries got a nice boost from our money. If you cut taxes, there’s really not the one-off effect – people would simply (rationally) save it.

    A stimulus can go further – and should have, given the design parameters. Deliver it in a form like an input tax credit certificate. It would be worthless outside AUS, and can’t be put on the credit card balance unlike the $900 gift. You can’t do that with a tax cut.

    The Libs argued at the time that spending the money on payroll tax concessions would not only inject money into the economy, but encourage retention of marginal workers and potentially even saving a business right on the edge. That sounded like a higher multiplier than anything except the pink batts (through their design feature of burning down houses, such that $1600 of govt subsidy generates $250k of economic activity in building, plus rentals, removalists, Harvey Norman again).

  165. .

    The Liberals were absolutely right.

    We should have simply used the accumulated surpluses to fund the first year of payroll tax abolition.

    Freezing the budget in 2009 and 2010 could have in itself repaid any short term debt accumulated.

    Avoiding active fiscal policy and accumulation of debt would have had benefits then and now in terms of inflation, external balances (particularly export production), foreign investment and the cost of credit.

    We’re damned lucky that Work Choices was operational at the time and the FWA hadn’t been enshrined yet during the worst of the global crisis.

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