Day 13 of a broken promise

From Our Plan Real Solutions for all Australians:

Day 13a

From Twitter:
day 13

Then these statements:

We are Liberals who believe in smaller government, lower taxes, greater freedom

- Nov 24, 2010.

People can be confident that spending, debt and taxes will always be lower under a Coalition government because we have the record to prove it.

- May 12, 2011.

There is one fundamental message that we want to go out from this place to every nook and cranny of our country: There should be no new tax collection without an election.

- August 16, 2011.

We want taxes that are lower, simpler and fairer and will take proposals for further tax reform to the following election.

- May 16, 2013.

Taxes will always be lower under a Coalition government.

- August 6, 2013.

I am determined not to increase the overall tax burden. I am absolutely determined not to increase the overall tax burden on anyone.

- August 15, 2013.

Right now the best thing we can do for our country and ultimately the best thing we can do for people around the world is to strengthen our economy and that means cutting taxes, building the infrastructure of the future, because if tax is lower and infrastructure is better our economy will be more productive and a strong Australia is going to be a much better international citizen than an Australia which can’t really pay its way.

– September 5, 2013.

(HT: Gab, PVO)

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304 Responses to Day 13 of a broken promise

  1. Blogstrop

    If the object of this exercise is to do a John XIII and flush out the various schools, it might work.

  2. Now you go and drag up “honesty” as if it was some grand principle.

    You had me going for a while. Now I realise you’re joking.

  3. Blogstrop

    XXIII. But you knew that.

  4. Vicki

    At least Abbott has a moral compass (even though he has seemingly succumbed to the political disease of deceit) which is far more than could be said of Rudd, Gillard, Shorten et al.

    Lurker, I have no quarrel with that. I believe he is is a very, very decent man at his core. I understand the “equity” issue, but I do not personally believe it justifies a breach of faith with the electorate.

    But you are totally tight about the influence of the Jesuits. Abbott has an extraordinary (today) sense of “service” which is intrinsic to the Jesuits. Once again, it enhances his political capital.

    I have always admired the very special attributes of this man. It makes the massive breach of trust in his denial of his pre-election promises that much harder to take.

  5. He stared into the camera and said “no changes to the pension.”

  6. egg_

    Roads, roads, roads replaces cuts, cuts, cuts…

    Per the Left.

  7. Natural Instinct

    This is what Tony & Co are up against. It is like being against motherhood.
    .
    And OK it is only $10million over 4 years.
    But once established THE AGENCY will never die.

    The Agency is a statutory authority established on 1 July 2013 following the assent of the Asbestos Safety and Eradication Act 2013 and is responsible through its Chief Executive Officer (CEO) to the Commonwealth Minister for Employment
    [Was that Bill? And what about the state OHS? Of course we need a national approach]
    .
    Our people
    1) The Agency is led by a Chief Executive Officer. Mr Peter Tighe has recently been appointed as CEO by the Minister for Workplace Relations for a period of five years. His tenure begins in August 2013.
    Mr Tighe was National Secretary of the Communications, Electrical, Plumbing Union, a position he held from 1995 to 2013. He was also National Secretary of the Electrical Trades Union and Executive Member of the ACTU from 1991 to 2013…. and a trustee/board member of CBUS Superannuation
    Asbestos Safety and Eradication Council
    2) Mr Geoff Fary MAICD FAIM was Chair of the Australian Asbestos Management Review between 2010 and 2012. Prior to this he was Assistant Secretary of the ACTU for 3 years. Mr Fary has also held positions as Executive Director of the Association of Professional Engineers Scientists and Managers, Australia (APESMA) and National Vice President of the Industrial Relations Society, Australia
    3) Dr Ian R Gardner (a Federal public servant)
    4) Mr Peter Dunphy (a NSW public servant)
    5) Mr Mark McCabe (a ACT public servant)
    6) Mr Lex McCulloch (a WA public servant)
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    11) Ms Tanya Segelov has been a Partner at Turner Freeman Lawyers…Since 1996 Ms Segelov has represented hundreds of asbestos claimants in courts throughout Australia …..

  8. Combine_Dave

    Fisky & JC, Grigory’s theory is that Turnbullwill cross the floor and will lead Labor.

    Turnbull is the best leader Labor never had.

    Which is a pity.

    Does anyone think the ALP reforming themselves could result in better members & parliamentarians and thus better policies?

    [I don't, but as bad as old labor was, new labor are worse, so change is obviously theoritically possible and surely after shorten, krudders, gillard and krudders again they've reached peak stupid?]

  9. This is what Tony & Co are up against. It is like being against motherhood.

    You’re right.
    Sounds too hard.
    Best to raise taxes and lower pensions instead.

  10. Combine_Dave

    Roads, roads, roads replaces cuts, cuts, cuts…

    Per the Left.

    The roads and PPL I can take. Standard fare for a big gov conservative. It’s the continuation of the NBN, ABC/SBS, Gonski, NDIS all funded by great big new taxes etc that’s got me seeing red.

  11. Vicki

    FYI Cats:

    In case you haven’t heard: the Royal Commission into union corruption is to be LIVESTREAMED from 9.30am at:

    http://www.tradeunionroyalcommission.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx

    Heydon J has also established procedural protocol which initially disallows cross examination of witnesses. My reading of all of this is that Dyson Heydon is not going to facilitate the filtering of information via the MSN. The public can hear exactly what is said.

    More power to him.

  12. egg_

    Does anyone think the ALP reforming themselves could result in better members & parliamentarians and thus better policies?

    Probably from the Right factions – Burke & Howes?

  13. The most pathetic thing is when they go on TV and complain that if they don’t raise taxes, Labor will criticize them.
    What brain dead person thought that up. Honestly. Probably the same kid with the powerpoint.

  14. Senile Old Guy

    The thing about this which makes me angry* is the sleazy way they are trying to sell the Gesture Tax and excise increase. They can’t claim they didn’t know the state of the finances; everybody knew that the ALP had embarked on massive unfunded spending programs, most of which Abbott endorsed.

    They could, and should, be honest and say “Yes, we are breaking some promises because…” The problem for them then is: “Well, if you break those promises why not some of the spending ones?”

    So they are running the usual sleazy politician’s game book: “We never said no new taxes”, “or that we wouldn’t raise taxes”, “a temporary levy isn’t a new tax”, “high income earners have to do their fair share”, and so on. This is simply insulting because they are treating us like clueless idiots.

    My personal favourite is now Hockey’s “taxes would have been higher under Labor”.

    * Most will be hit by the excise increase, me less so because I don’t drive far (but the trucks that bring our groceries do), and I look like I’ll escape the Gesture Tax.

  15. Rabz

    My personal favourite is now Hockey’s “taxes would have been higher under Labor”.

    Which is why we turfed them, you fat imbecile!

    :x

  16. viva

    The problem is Abbott seems intent on more spending and new taxes, despite his promises.

    This is not pragmatism. He is underwriting the ideology of the Green-ALP alliance government.

    You are right. But almost the whole country wanted the NDIS and Gonski. Could he have won if he had said no to the disabled and disadvantaged kids? Look what happened to Pyne when he tried to wind back a small part of the Gonski spending. These were among the many landmines set by the ALP – almost like a scorched earth policy fiscally speaking.

    Now as to the tax increase – I have to acknowledge the outrage here is genuine and defensible. Abbott promised lower taxes often enough. I have been more tolerant of that breach than others here – my response to his broken promise is nowhere near as visceral as my response to Gillard’s because I think he is essentially a decent man trying to make the best of bad job and my belief that politics is full of no win situations. My view may be wrong headed. But there you are.

  17. But almost the whole country wanted the NDIS and Gonski.

    That’s rubbish.

    Support for these policies is very soft. It’s a mile wide and an inch deep as nobody actually knows anything about them.
    Support for an ETS was very high too, before Abbott came to power in the Coalition and opposed it. Suddenly that social consensus vanished. There is a danger of timid politicians who are in thrall of polls.

  18. Look what happened to Pyne when he tried to wind back a small part of the Gonski spending.

    Yeah look. He got undermined by Abbott.
    That’s what happened.

  19. Rabz

    Now as to the tax increase – I have to acknowledge the outrage here is genuine and defensible. Abbott promised lower taxes often enough. I have been more tolerant of that breach than others here – my response to his broken promise is nowhere near as visceral as my response to Gillard’s because I think he is essentially a decent man trying to make the best of bad job and my belief that politics is full of no win situations. My view may be wrong headed. But there you are.

    viva – you are gentleman and a scholar – the outrage here has been very justified.

    I did not for the Liberals for them to jack up taxes and effectively continue to bankroll the R/G/R agenda.

    As for “let’s wait and see” well, time is running out on that score.

    Tuesday night, peoples – all will be revealed.

    I’ve tried to be pragmatic and not condemn them for no reason, but it’s the class warfare rhetoric that rankles more than anything else.

    So, we shall see – I’m looking forward to Tuesday night – for us economists it’s Christmas Day, Easter, Hanukkah, Ramadan, etc, rolled into one.

    Here’s to no new or increased taxes, peoples!

    :)

  20. Rabz

    I did not vote for the Liberals

    Wow – now you can comprehend the anger.

  21. Grigory M

    for us economists

    Dedders, where are you? Shouldn’t that be “for we economists”?

  22. Rabz

    for we economists

    The shame – I studied Latin for three years, FFS!

  23. candy

    Rabz
    Would you be annoyed if I said your aggravar thing is aggravating? There’s no colour, couldn’t you choose something with flowers and sunshine if you must do something different?
    :)

  24. Here’s to no new or increased taxes, peoples!

    Or an increase in the pension.

    Personally I believe the pension age should be increased but he looked into the TV camera and said “no change to the pension.”
    Changing the pension would jeopardise the entire rest of his agenda.

  25. Grigory M

    The shame – I studied Latin for three years, FFS!

    Me too. Which declension is “we”?

  26. jumpnmcar

    To steal from P.J O’Rourke

    ALP are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the prickles from your lawn. LIBs are the party that says government doesn’t work, and then they get elected and prove it.

    But it’s early day and I’ll make my decision closer to the next election.

  27. candy

    Changing the pension would jeopardise the entire rest of his agenda.

    There’s no changes to the pension monetary amount but planned changes to assessment criteria at some stage, I believe is in the offing.
    None of these will get through the Senate, nor the copayment or change to the retirement age, as stated by GreenLabor / Palmer.

  28. Notafan

    I agree, it sends a message to the left that taxpayers on the top marginal rate aren’t paying their fair share and have a capacity to pay a lot more, when the left are the same people who call negative gearing and diesel fuel excise ‘subsidies’
    Look at the greens budget and it’s taxing policies.
    Cut fbt part B and any other social security benefits for over $100000 earners but Abbott needs to face the fact when it comes to the rabid lefties that there ain’t no way they’re ever going to love him.

  29. dan

    The changes to the pension age are clearly policy of both Labor and Liberal parties, are unavoidable and should be agreed to behind the scenes and made bipartisan policy. Labor already increased it part way.

  30. The changes to the pension age are clearly policy of both Labor and Liberal parties

    It’s a sensible policy. But Abbott looked into the TV camera the day before the election and said “No changes to the pension.”

  31. Fleeced

    It’s a sensible policy.

    Not really.

  32. candy

    But Abbott looked into the TV camera the day before the election and said “No changes to the pension.”

    What is this “looked into the camera” business Aussiepundit? My gut feeling tells me you are defending Ms Gillard here, who definitely did look into the camera when asked about a carbon tax and said “not under a government I lead” – a very personal, and reassuring statement from a prospective PM that people believed and got her elected at the last moment.

    I’m flat out working out when I saw Mr Abbott make any such definitive statements about a specific policy under a government he leads.

  33. Fleeced

    candy sweetheart, Gillard’s gone. The witch is dead (politically speaking). It isn’t “defending Gillard” to criticise Abbott for being a dismal failure and repeating her sins.

  34. Gab

    I’ll second that.

    Only if I am provided with a Kill button to moderate the comments. But I’ll settle for a cyber cattle prod zapper.

  35. Rabz

    Would you be annoyed if I said your aggravar thing is aggravating?

    candy – that’s the whole purpose, Squirette – new “aggravars” will manifest themselves in time, madam.

    In the meantime – I remain very less than happy, I tells ya!

    :x

  36. Grigory M

    What is this “looked into the camera” business Aussiepundit?

    No change to pensions

    Candy – that’s what he said – and he seems to have been looking into the camera.

  37. No change to pensions
    Candy – that’s what he said – and he seems to have been looking into the camera.

    Thank you Grigory.
    I recall seeing it at the time it happened last year but forgot about it until van Onselen tweeted it earlier today.

  38. Gab

    @billshortenmp Hey Bill, any chance of letting us know which senior Lab is/was being investigated for a rape accusation by the Vic police?

    BOOM!

    Well done, JC.

  39. MemoryVault

    Tonight Joe Hockey explained that the Liberal Party’s promise of “tax cuts” actually meant people would pay less tax than they would have, had they elected a Labor government. NOT, as some people had foolishly assumed, that they would actually pay less tax per se.

    It was also confirmed tonight that the fuel excise levy would not only be increased, but that it would be increased every six months, thereby ensuring that for the next two years and four months until the next election, EVERY price rise in ANYTHING could be blamed on the levy, in much the same way as all price rises for the past two years were blamed on the carbon tax, whether true or not.

    When questioned about this apparent exercise in electoral suicide, Prime Minister Abbott replied that his government was NEVER going to be outdone in ANY field by the previous Labor government, including stupidity.

  40. Gab

    Fisky & JC, Grigory’s theory is that Turnbullwill cross the floor and will lead Labor.

    Excellent idea. I’d vote for Labor if that happened, Roolly truuullyI would.

    Can someone start this meme on twitter and maybe we’ll see the end of turnbull in the LNP.

  41. Gab

    On the news, Hockey is running the line that taxes “will be lower than they would have been under Labor.”

    Seriously? He said that? That is utterly pathetic. Hockey’s doubling down on stupid now.

  42. candy

    Candy – that’s what he said – and he seems to have been looking into the camera.

    There are no cuts to pension levels. There will be changes to assessment criteria, as we know and I believe indexation for the aged pension will be mandated for the 2016 election which is very fair.

    All hell is about to break loose, of course, and all these things will be blocked in the Senate, if you are personally concerned, anyway, so don’t worry.

  43. Beef

    So, let me see if I got this. If Turnball is traded to the Liars the tax hate is forgiven? Might need some negotiation, but could be worth a look.

  44. Grigory M

    There are no cuts to pension levels. There will be changes to assessment criteria

    Ah, Candy – read his lips – “no changes”. That’s definitive IMO.

  45. Grigory M

    So, let me see if I got this. If Turnball is traded to the Liars the tax hate is forgiven?

    Beef – what I’m suggesting is that, it is possible Turnbull could defect to Labor and if he does so he could become Opposition Leader and be far more electable as PM than Shorten.

  46. candy

    Ah, Candy – read his lips – “no changes”. That’s definitive IMO.

    There you go, one can argue that, in terms of will there be a pension cut, or whether it’s just about assessment for a pension into the future. Labor will play it to the hilt and ignore any good points about the policy and block everything in the Senate hoping for a DD to get back in government.

    Anyway, that’s my prediction! Let’s hope we don’t get a socialist government back in.

  47. Fleeced

    Let’s hope we don’t get a socialist government back in.

    Too late, candy…

  48. MemoryVault

    Let’s hope we don’t get a socialist government back in.

    No need.
    We already have one.

  49. MemoryVault

    Bummer.
    I got Fleeced.

  50. Fleeced

    I got Fleeced.

    Haven’t you been following the budget news, MV? We are all Fleeced now.

  51. Beef

    Beef – what I’m suggesting is that, it is possible Turnbull could defect to Labor and if he does so he could become Opposition Leader and be far more electable as PM than Shorten.

    I picked that up Grigory and to your flag raising idea I merely added my own, a fix for all parties, Turnbull to the Liars, everybody happy. Your flag I was indeed championing, It indeed,needs to be wider circulation.

  52. MemoryVault

    We are all Fleeced now.

    Nah Fleeced.
    We WERE being fleeced.
    Now we’re being flayed.

    Mind you, there just has to be a silver lining.
    And I’m expecting Candy to explain what wonderful bedside lamps we’ll all make.
    And how this is in the best interests of the country.
    And how this was always Liberal Party policy anyway.
    And how, if we don’t understand and accept that, then we were all extremists anyway.
    And besides that, at least those terrible socialists are not in power.

  53. Ironing Mike

    Do you think they might take both Malcolms in a job lot?

  54. Senile Old Guy

    On the news, Hockey is running the line that taxes “will be lower than they would have been under Labor.”

    Seriously? He said that? That is utterly pathetic. Hockey’s doubling down on stupid now.

    Seriously, he said that.

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