Royal Commission thread: May 13, 2014

Please contain commentary about the two on-going Royal Commissions to this thread.

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228 Responses to Royal Commission thread: May 13, 2014

  1. Aldrydd

    And here I was thinking there was only one RC happening – that into the pink batts issue, ABC has nothing on a second RC (I’ve been watching now for an hour)….are you sure there are two Sinc? ;)

  2. Badjack

    Shorten will run for cover once Kernahan takes the stand UNDER OATH. Stoljes better watch out for Brucie’s left right combo if he asks a difficult question.
    Wilson and his cohorts are already disrupting proceeding by requesting adjournments because his lawyer is not up to speed. Aren’t lawyers supposed to be professionals and be prepared.

  3. Rabz

    So, I wonder, will anyone get thumped today at the Union RC?

  4. A Lurker

    Thanks for the ‘fred, Sinc. Appreciated.

  5. Joe Goodacre

    Two things…

    1) anyone else think that it’s convenient timing that the royal commissions into union corruption are in full swing at the same time as the budget?

    2) this is a reminder that truth comes out eventually – Gillard is implacted yesterday in the receipt of unlawful benefits over 20 years ago.

  6. John Comnenus

    I think Winston Churchill was credited with asking a famous female peer if she would sleep with him for a million pounds. She replied yes. He then asked if she would sleep with him for ten pounds. Indignantly she asked Churchill ‘what do you think I am?’ To which Churchill responded we have already established what you are, now we are just negotiating the price.

    Gillard has previously called Blewitt a liar asking who are you going to believe a liar or me? Well the electorate has already established what Gillard is and now the RC will have the opportunity to press her on what price she extracted for her past alleged behaviour. If pressed I think it would be hard for Gillard to claim honesty as a defence. The RC will be interesting when she is called to give evidence.

  7. John Comnenus

    The Union RC and Pink Batts RC might help the Libs spin the budget off the front page of the news.

  8. Ant

    Will being “young and naive” be an acceptable defence?

  9. John Comnenus

    Bill Shorten at Griffith shops in Canberra giving a press conference no doubt telling all and sundry how Abbott will smash the poor. So why give the press conference on one of the wealthiest suburbs in Australia?

  10. srr

    Wilson and his cohorts are already disrupting proceeding by requesting adjournments because his lawyer is not up to speed. Aren’t lawyers supposed to be professionals and be prepared.

    But if that were the case, what defence would Gillard, Shorten, Roxen, Murphy et al have, besides none?

  11. Rabz

    So why give the press conference in one of the wealthiest suburbs in Australia?

    Because that’s just the sort of clueless, monumental dullard Dolly is.

  12. Des Deskperson

    Has there been any coverage in this morning’s Fairfax papers of the Commission’s proceedings and/or the Wilson stoush?

    There was certainly none on this morning’s Canberra Times!

  13. Baldrick

    The union RC started with a punch-up yesterday … why am I not surprised.

  14. Aldrydd

    Shhh Des, it’s all a big secret. The RC that cannot be named……If you don’t mention it it’s not really happening…..

  15. John Comnenus

    Gillard will find it difficult to attend the RC no doubt because she will be in Africa or the Middle East fighting against political mysoginy in Australia.

  16. Johno

    Gillard is history. The Labor Party and the electorate saw to that.

    While the RC should expose her involvement in what appears to be a scam, the real focus should be on Bill Ludwig and his latest boy wonder, wee willy.

    What did Shorten know, when did he know it and what did he do about it.

    I suspect the Left’s media will be more interested in protecting their current leadership than defending their past Leader

  17. Tintarella di Luna

    Aren’t there three Royal Commissions on the go? The Child Abuse (Tony Abbott’s a Catholic) Royal Commission, the Pink Batts (in the Belfry) Royal Commission and the Management of Unions (and the propensity for eel-faced entities to set up slush funds for pillow friends) Royal Commission.

    Gee lawyers are gonna make a killing I suppose it makes up for screwing over motor vehicle accident, civil liability, medical negligence and workers compensation laws.

  18. Baldrick

    Tintarella di Luna
    #1303436, posted on May 13, 2014 at 9:21 am
    Aren’t there three Royal Commissions on the go?

    I’ll see your Altar Boy and Lone Granger and raise you a Belfry Batts and a Pillow Friend.

  19. Delta A

    John Comnenus at 8.39.

    Alternatively, the budget hype could spin the Union RC and the Batts RC off the front pages.

  20. srr

    At Bolt’s -

    Ralph Blewitt’s evidence yesterday included a nugget of information that suggests questions for Julia Gillard later:

    AMONG the hundreds of documents placed before Ralph Blewitt, the first witness at the national royal commission into union corruption yesterday, was one recovered from 1993.

    [It was an] advertisement for a Fitzroy, Melbourne, terrace house that was to be auctioned …

    The commission heard that while Blewitt [became] its owner, he …did not see it before it was bought nor go to the auction. He did not live in it…

    He claims the house was purchased for his boss in the AWU, Bruce Wilson, who was accompanied to the auction by his then girlfriend and solicitor, Julia Gillard. Blewitt’s function was to be the fall guy who lent his name to the transaction and provided the cash for the deposit and the balance of the mortgage, which was organised by Slater & Gordon, Gillard’s employer.

    Blewitt said he did as he was told. He pulled the necessary cash out of the account of the AWU Workplace Reform Association Inc, the secret slush fund registered in Western Australia on Gillard’s legal advice …

    Expenses reimbursement records placing Blewitt at a “Slater & Gordon dinner” at the Patee Thai restaurant in Fitzroy on February 3, 1993, for which he claimed $80 from the AWU, were accompanied by other records indicating he returned to Perth the next morning.

    This evidence could become more important because of his earlier claims that a February 4 power-of-attorney document was falsely witnessed by the Melbourne-based Gillard.

    Gillard has elsewhere insisted she witnessed legal documents correctly.

    btw, is anyone else sick of all the law industry people using justice seeking blogs to search, twist and feed potential loophole defences to the thugs…rhetorical; I’m sure those inclined to believe bloggers who say they hate crooks in government, haven’t even noticed that’s what’s going on, or they would have bitch slapped them to kingdom come, long ago.

  21. Andore Jr.

    To be honest, after what the next couple of weeks are going to do to the ALP, Abbott and Hockey could probably have raised income tax to 78% and still win the next election.

    When you look at the ‘attacks-from-all-sides’ the libs have been copping this week, I’m guessing that they know enough to bank on Shorten sliding further lower in the polls than them.

    (Oh that’s right they can’t kick him out – thanks Kev!)

  22. Rabz

    Has there been any coverage in this morning’s Fairfax papers of the Commission’s proceedings and/or the Wilson stoush?

    There was certainly none on this morning’s Canberra Times!

    Deskie,

    This is a bit further down on the Silly Moaning Herald homepage.

  23. JMH

    Poor old unbiased, hard-hitting ABC 774 ‘shock jock’ Jon Faine cannot find a journalist to provide updates re. the Union RC. With all those thousands of journalists on the ABC payroll, who would have thought? /sarc

  24. Rabz, that Anna Patty has not been following the controversy at all well:

    [Blewitt] admitted to claiming payments from Thiess, which he filtered to the Workplace Reform Association, a related entity of the AWU.

    The whole point of Blewitt’s evidence was that the AWU-WRA, whose rules were written by Wilson’s shonky lawyer, was that it was not a related entity of the AWU.

  25. H B Bear

    Wilson and his cohorts are already disrupting proceeding by requesting adjournments because his lawyer is not up to speed.

    That ain’t going to fly with Heydon. You could see he wasn’t prepared to let Blewitt fly back to Malaysia without completing cross examination in case “someone” got to him and he decided it might not be in his best interest to come back to Australia again.

    Anyone know who Gillard has representing her? There didn’t seem to be the usual cast of thousands of QCs, juniors and solicitors these things normally attract yesterday.

  26. Rabz

    Dedders – you expect quality journalism from Fauxfacts?

  27. H B Bear

    The whole point of Blewitt’s evidence was that the AWU-WRA, whose rules were written by Wilson’s shonky lawyer, was that it was not a related entity of the AWU.

    Fauxfacts is now being put together by Ben Cubby and the work experience kids. A self respecting budgie wouldn’t even shit on it.

  28. MACK1

    No mention at all of Blewitt/Gillard on the 7am ABC radio news. Blatant and outrageous bias Mr Scott.

  29. Motelier

    I will be over here selling Chips, Popcorn and Lemonade.

    Just raise you hand if you want service. Payment can be made in cash in a brown paper bag.

  30. Aldrydd

    I was talking to a friends husband (lawyer) a while ago and asked him his thoughts on TLS AWU issues. His take on it is that she won’t come out of it looking very good, but in legal circles they don’t really see that anything will come of it as far as a prosecution and he is more than happy with that (grrr)…. Depressing, but unfortunately I think he’s probably right :(

  31. Des Deskperson

    Still nothing on the Canberra Times website at 10.00 am today. On the other hand, no-one who matters reads the Canberra Times.

  32. Vicki

    Yes H B Bear – Gillard is to be represented by Brett Walker SC. I hope she is putting away all her fees from her international gigs – since he would be a $20,000 per day man.

  33. Bruce

    That $20000 a day will probably be on the taxpayers tab.

  34. No, Rabz; I merely thought it remarkable that when one of the Fairfax journos finally covers the story she incompetently interprets a major piece of evidence utterly incorrectly. Still, knowing how her “facts” are 180º from reality, we know how to interpret any claim that “Gillard did nothing wrong”.

  35. Vicki

    Aldrydd – your friend could be right in respect to any actual legal action against Gillard for her part in legally assisting her boyfriend. Proving that she knew she had benefitted from ill-gotten gains (via her renovations) may also be a mountain too high.

    On the other hand, if the Royal Commission can forensically piece together the union influence and intrigue that may have elevated to, and supported this woman in the highest office of the land, this would be a story that would undo everything that she has “achieved”.

    I would be content with that.

  36. Uh oh

    Does anyone know whether they’re planning to get someone from Theiss in to explain why they didn’t want their money back? Or has that already been covered elsewhere?

  37. Vicki

    Bruce – why would her tab be on us??

    These were misdemeanours – if so proved – that were incurred long before she even entered parliament.

  38. Ant

    Has there been any coverage in this morning’s Fairfax papers of the Commission’s proceedings and/or the Wilson stoush?

    Way down buried on pg 6 of this morning’s Age complete with a postage stamp sized photo of Brucie molesting a photographer – where they’re hoping nobody notices.

    Read the excellent editorial in today’s Australian where they blast the ‘love media’ for covering up and/or diverting attention away from Labor’s many scandals.

    Bolt picks it up in a piece this morning, too, highlighting how this behaviour ultimately makes things worse for the media’s pet political outfit while at the same time basically wrecking the country.

    But, hey, that’s where all the “compassion” is, apparently.

  39. Rabz

    … get someone from Theiss in to explain why they didn’t want their money back? Or has that already been covered elsewhere?

    Has anyone ever been able to recover “protection” money from racketeers?

  40. Vicki

    Does anyone know whether they’re planning to get someone from Theiss in to explain why they didn’t want their money back? Or has that already been covered elsewhere?

    It has been made pretty clear by the Attorney-General (so, one assumes, in the terms of reference) that he wants an investigation of both union and corporate involvement in any corrupt activity. It is vital that the pressure put by union thugs on business (as well as voluntary collaboration) be uncovered in this Royal Commission. This is why Hugh Morgan, ex CEO of Western Mining has apparently agreed to give evidence regarding the high costs to that company in resisting union intimidation in the Pilbara in the 1990s.

    I would be astonished if Joe Trio, who was CEO of Thiess in WA in the mid 1990s, and brother-in-law of Gillard’s boyfriend, is not called to give evidence.

  41. A Lurker

    Does anyone know whether they’re planning to get someone from Theiss in to explain why they didn’t want their money back? Or has that already been covered elsewhere?

    My understanding is that the ‘Theiss’ money was originally sourced from the WA Government (i.e taxpayers) as part of a general workplace training? purposes fund. I think the Labor Premier at the time was Carmen Lawrence.

  42. Andrew

    Aldrydd and others with legal connections: The fact that we’re even debating whether TLS is going to be charged with her many (alleged) high crimes and misdemeanours suggests that the question of statute of limitations isn’t a clear cut one. Now while I would love to watch her charged and have to plead limitations (as opposed to not guilty) the VicPol don’t normally waste resources investigating crimes that clearly can’t be prosecuted.

    What’s the loophole here? Presumably they can’t get her for the corporations law offences (false statements in the incorporation of the vehicle for the frauds). What keeps the other crimes open? I’m hoping for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice – not only defeats limitations (as I understand it) but opens the door to everyone ever promoted to high office to keep them quiet. And there’s two senior law officials I’m looking at in particular.

  43. Aldrydd

    I too would be happy with that Vicki :)

  44. Bruce

    I hope you’re correct Vicki but it just seems that every time we see a slimy Politician having to front a Royal Commission or the ICAC we usually find buried in the fine print somewhere that legal representation has been by courtesy of the long suffering mugs (aka taxpayers). Maybe this time she’ll have to tap another of those Union slush funds.Bill Ludwig will probably be able to point her in the right direction.The fact that she’s gone for someone like Walker indicates either that she’s shitting herself or not having to bother about the bill or both.

  45. Vicki

    My understanding is that the ‘Theiss’ money was originally sourced from the WA Government (i.e taxpayers) as part of a general workplace training? purposes fund. I think the Labor Premier at the time was Carmen Lawrence.

    You are right – it was “easy money” for all parties – and that was why the wily Bruce Wilson was quick off the mark to set up a scam by creaming this money into a special account. So, ultimately, it was government money.

    If you were really cynical, you might speculate that a WA Labor government set up a nice little “earner” for its unionists mates to exploit. In this case, it didn’t reach the legit AWU bank accounts, but was, as we know, diverted by Wilson into an “Association” legally drawn up by his girlfriend. Of course, she argues that she only advised on the incorporation of the Association, and didn’t set up the bank account!!!

  46. Vicki

    What’s the loophole here? Presumably they can’t get her for the corporations law offences (false statements in the incorporation of the vehicle for the frauds). What keeps the other crimes open? I’m hoping for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice – not only defeats limitations (as I understand it) but opens the door to everyone ever promoted to high office to keep them quiet. And there’s two senior law officials I’m looking at in particular.

    Spot on Andrew!

  47. incoherent rambler

    It helps when you have a legal officer with such distinctive handwriting. Vanity will be the downfall.

  48. nic

    The Union RC and Pink Batts RC might help the Libs spin the budget off the front page of the news.

    It has to get onto the front page first Im afraid.

  49. A Lurker

    You are right – it was “easy money” for all parties – and that was why the wily Bruce Wilson was quick off the mark to set up a scam by creaming this money into a special account. So, ultimately, it was government money.

    And from my poor memory of reading Smithy’s documentation, my general impression was that the WRA hit a bureaucratic brick wall the first couple of times the paperwork was sent through. It was only when Gillard stepped in to use her legal knowhow to rework it, did the Association pass muster by the WA bureaucrats.

    So Gillard was the lynchpin in regards to the AWU-WRA – without the efforts of a ‘young and naive’ 30-something Senior Partner of a Law Firm, the Association would never have been authorised and the fraud would have come to nothing.

    If you were really cynical, you might speculate that a WA Labor government set up a nice little “earner” for its unionists mates to exploit.

    Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.

  50. Andrew

    After the fine work done by NSW Police in rounding up two hardened criminals fighting outside the Pecker residence, I’ve contacted Crimestoppers about the apparent assault photographed outside the RC. I knew the SMH would come in handy one day.

  51. Bruce

    Legal Financial Assistance and Witness Expenses

    The Commonwealth Attorney-General’s Department provides two types of financial assistance for people testifying before a Royal Commission. This includes:

    Legal financial assistance – a grant which provides for the reasonable legal costs and disbursements associated with providing testimony to Royal Commissions. Legal financial assistance may be provided when a person is called, or given leave to appear, at a hearing of a Royal Commission.
    Witness expense – a payment to assist people called, or given leave to appear, at a hearing of a Royal Commission. Witness expenses include a daily appearance fee and may include payments for travel, food, accommodation and lost income.

  52. James of the Glen

    ” Poor old unbiased, hard-hitting ABC 774 ‘shock jock’ Jon Faine cannot find a journalist to provide updates re. the Union RC..”.

    The grizzling Faine knows his own reputation is tied to the outcome of this RC; he had to suffer Gillard being turfed out and now with some likelihood her behaviour, which he would not entertain and mocked others who raised its significance, will be uncovered places Jonny in a very worrying position; Labor sycophant, censor and activist on the tax-payer’s dollar or professional journalist?

  53. Poor Old Rafe

    On the bright side, when you discount the ALP spin the budget is probably going to look pretty good, given the constraints.

  54. JMH

    Definitely a “professional journalist” James otG.

    Jon-the-journalist, ever following the fact trail has just announced Robert Richter QC will be representing TLS. He added that any Richter cross-examination of Blewitt will vewwy, vewwy interesting and worth a front row seat at the RC! So, there you go, you heard it first here!

  55. thefrollickingmole

    I wonder if the unflushable turd of West Australian politics will get a mention , a certain Mr Burke.
    His brother was parachuted in charge of one of the “works departments” in Perth and distributed a lot of patronage for kickbacks.

    Id love to see a prosecution of a major company head over this, not because its good, but because it might finally break the “shut up and pay, pass the cost on to the mugs” club that seems to exist.

    Can any of our legally minded people let me know if a company could be de-registered or otherwise eviscerated by an adverse finding?

  56. Vicki

    reasonable legal costs and disbursements associated with providing testimony to Royal Commissions. Legal financial assistance may be provided when a person is called, or given leave to appear, at a hearing of a Royal Commission.

    Is a $20,000 per day SC “reasonable”? I guess if you are afraid of going “down”, it may be. But could’t she call up favours from one of her old labor lawyer mates???

  57. Andore Jr.

    The grizzling Faine knows his own reputation is tied to the outcome of this RC

    It better be. Listening to him getting stuck into Mike Smith, the only journo (along with Milne) to dig into this thing in the first place, made my blood boil.

  58. Vicki

    Jon-the-journalist, ever following the fact trail has just announced Robert Richter QC will be representing TLS. He added that any Richter cross-examination of Blewitt will vewwy, vewwy interesting and worth a front row seat at the RC! So, there you go, you heard it first here!

    My understanding is that Bret Walker will be representing Gillard, but I must say he will be busy, because he is apparently already representing Kevin Rudd at the Pink Batts RC.

    Robert Richter QC has also been busy, having represented Christine Nixon, I think, at the RC into the Victorian bush fires.

  59. JMH

    Vicki, it’s also my understanding that Walker is to represent Gillard. However, we must accept that the “professional journalist” “bag-man” for Gillard obviously knows better or more than we do! Faine is absolutely brilliant, you know.

    Thank you, Vicki, for your easily digestible comments yesterday in relation to this RC.

  60. Bruce

    Viki,I’m sure to anyone outside the legal fraternity,$20000 a day would seem unreasonable in the extreme but to those within ,including those inside the Attorney Generals Department,it’s only what they probably consider that they richly deserve. If TLS had nothing to hide she would have represented herself,even as a defrocked lawyer she should have been more than capable of understanding and answering questions.It certainly would have been a far better look,but only if she’s got nothing to hide.

  61. Rabz

    Faine ($308,525) is absolutely brilliant, you know.

    Fixed.

  62. Bruce

    Walker now Richter! I expect we’ll see Burnside turn up eventually,he must be doing it hard at the moment now that the nasty Mr.Morrison has pulled the rug out from under the people smuggling trade.

  63. Natural Instinct

    Arbib admits (with hindsight) some federal government departments are not appropriate for service delivery and dealing with public (except for ones like Medicare and Social Security which already do it). Says DEEWR was only policy department.
    Thus can ‘policy’ departments be cut in half with minimal effect on citizens? Hint for Budget!
    .
    Also shows he does not understand Constitution whereby States gave Feds only limited and specific powers.
    .
    Still waiting for Garrett.

  64. cohenite

    Can any of our legally minded people let me know if a company could be de-registered or otherwise eviscerated by an adverse finding?

    Companies are not registered to commit criminal offences. Usually when a company officer commits an offence on the company books he or she then slots into the category of VP in charge of going to prison. Ultra vires is the usual company defence in activating the VP in charge of going to prison card.

  65. rafiki

    As for what criminal charges Gillard may face, her main worry on present indications concerns her purporting to witness the signing by Blewitt of the power of attorney. He says she was not present, and that if a court were to accept his evidence she may well have committed a crime. All this was covered in detail on Michael Smith’s blog quite some time ago. Depending on what transpires about her role in the creation of the WRA, she may face problems in that quarter too.

  66. cohenite

    Gillard’s potential illegality with the Application for Association is discussed here.

  67. Craig Mc

    My understanding is that Bret Walker will be representing Gillard, but I must say he will be busy, because he is apparently already representing Kevin Rudd at the Pink Batts RC.

    At least she’s smart enough to get a better lawyer than Bruce Wilson did all those years ago.

  68. Craig Mc

    My understanding is that Bret Walker will be representing Gillard, but I must say he will be busy, because he is apparently already representing Kevin Rudd at the Pink Batts RC.

    What, couldn’t she find anyone at Slater & Gordon to defend their beloved ex-employee?

  69. MT Isa Miner

    H B Bear

    #1303482, posted on May 13, 2014 at 9:55 am

    A self respecting budgie wouldn’t even shit on it.

    Bear, beautiful, Bear.

  70. val majkus

    just copying over a comment I made on the other thread yesterday:
    to give you an idea of the size of the AWUWRA fraud:
    the total paid by Thiess to the AWUWRA for the Dawesville channel project was $308,952.64
    and for Melbourne Water 12/10/93 to 30/6/95 was $112,680.00

  71. Vicki

    just copying over a comment I made on the other thread yesterday:
    to give you an idea of the size of the AWUWRA fraud:
    the total paid by Thiess to the AWUWRA for the Dawesville channel project was $308,952.64
    and for Melbourne Water 12/10/93 to 30/6/95 was $112,680.00

    And remember – this was quite an amount of money in the 1990s

  72. harrys on the boat

    Peter fuckin’ Garrett. Is it safe to say he didn’t foresee fronting up to a RC defending his personal shambles that killed 4 citizens and burnt down over 200 of their homes, when he thought about a political career?

  73. ” Poor old unbiased, hard-hitting ABC 774 ‘shock jock’ Jon Faine cannot find a journalist to provide updates re. the Union RC..”.

    Yes, it’s interesting how people are scattering to their holes like rats under a flashlight.

  74. Peter fuckin’ Garrett. Is it safe to say he didn’t foresee fronting up to a RC defending his personal shambles that killed 4 citizens and burnt down over 200 of their homes, when he thought about a political career?

    Wouldn’t read about it.

    (hahahahahahahaha)

  75. harrys on the boat

    At least she’s smart enough to get a better lawyer than Bruce Wilson did all those years ago.

    Top stuff!

  76. H B Bear

    If you were really cynical, you might speculate that a WA Labor government set up a nice little “earner” for its unionists mates to exploit.

    Government, big construction companies and the unions. The only loser is always the taxpayer.

  77. MT Isa Miner

    Philippa Martyr

    #1303626, posted on May 13, 2014 at 12:21 pm

    Peter fuckin’ Garrett. Is it safe to say he didn’t foresee fronting up to a RC defending his personal shambles that killed 4 citizens and burnt down over 200 of their homes, when he thought about a political career?

    Wouldn’t read about it.

    (hahahahahahahaha)

    You are a timelord Philippa.

  78. Des Deskperson

    Poor old Peter Garrett, a person of no prima facie intellectual distinction who’s been told over the last 30 years, both consecutively and concurrently, that he’s a musical/environmental/political genius, his self knowledge, his ability to deal with actual stuff, his grasp on reality, all must be nearly zilch!

  79. Arnost

    A Lurker #1303513, posted on May 13, 2014 at 10:22 am

    My understanding is that the ‘Theiss’ money was originally sourced from the WA Government (i.e taxpayers) as part of a general workplace training? purposes fund.

    The funds that ended up in the AWU Reform Association Account were not quite WA taxpayer moneys. The moneys were sourced from the levy collected from all construction projects in WA by the Construction Training Fund – a statutory organisation responsible for distributing the funds back to the industry (see Building and Construction Industry Training Fund ).
    Connect the dots:
    * Bruce is on the Board of BCITF – a statutory org responsible for passing back to the industry funds collected ,
    * The BCITF board approves exorbitant grants to Thiess for the Dawsville Cut project for “training reform”.
    * Responsible for the distribution of these grants at Thiess is Joe, Bruce’s brother in law.
    * Responsible for providing the training and effectively the recipient of all the BCITF Thiess / Dawsville project grants is an association with only two members (one of which is Bruce and his mate Ralph)
    * Responsible for the incorporation of the association is Julia, Bruce’s GF.*
    * Bruce (and Ralph) buy a property with the association funds – the conveyancing is handled by Julia and
    * After three years Bruce and Ralpg sell the property (and if anyone asks how they suddenly got so rich – there is your laundry).

    This Association is nothing but a special purpose vehicle crated with a direct objective to facilitate fraud. There was no training provided and Thiess simply funnelled the BCITF funds it received to the AWURA – there was no cost to it. That is fraud. [And I reckon Joe Trio is sweating on a call from the commissioners coz he HAD to know that no training was provided]

    And without Julia’s direct involvement and her (and most likely S&G) guarantee to the WA Commissioner, an association with only two members, and with the critical AWU title and Training Reform in its articles of association could NEVER have been established, (without which Bruce could NEVER have got the BCITF grant money into an account at a bank).

    While Julia may plead young and naïve when she did set this up initially – she had to know subsequently that something shonky was afoot. So she is indicted in that she did nothing then, and indeed appears to have benefitted personally from the fraud (renovations, casino outings etc), and later, cynically destroyed the livelihoods of a couple of journos simply doing their job and looking into the matter in order to supress this.

    That will be her legacy.

    See: Michael Smith here

  80. A Lurker

    The funds that ended up in the AWU Reform Association Account were not quite WA taxpayer moneys. The moneys were sourced from the levy collected from all construction projects in WA by the Construction Training Fund – a statutory organisation responsible for distributing the funds back to the industry (see Building and Construction Industry Training Fund ).

    Thanks for that. I remember it had come from the WA Government, but it’s useful to know from where the money was originally sourced.

  81. val majkus

    And remember – this was quite an amount of money in the 1990s

    Vicki, I’ve asked someone to do a conversion to today’s $value and if he gets back to me in time I’ll post those figures

  82. Natural Instinct

    Arbib gives interesting insight into Minister’s office and advisors and what Minister gets to ‘see’, and a completely different idea of what they get to ‘read’ (according to him).
    Seems like paying $10,000 for access at a function is good value as it is the only way you can be sure that the Minister hears what you say and you can observe he ‘blinks his eyes’ in understanding.
    All other modes of communication are not certain and subject to filtering (that cannot be proved, or disproved, because there are no records kept).
    .
    NEWSFLASH: Arbib agrees (just before lunch) with lawyer proposition that HIP was destined to fail because of six reasons.

  83. Natural Instinct

    Arbib finished. Garret on after lunch at 2:15pm

  84. H B Bear

    Lurch to take the stand after lunch.

    I wonder if he will dump KRudd in it? He has held the Liars Party line till now – I wonder how that will go under oath?

  85. Kaboom

    Phillipa:

    “Peter fuckin’ Garrett. Is it safe to say he didn’t foresee fronting up to a RC defending his personal shambles that killed 4 citizens and burnt down over 200 of their homes, when he thought about a political career?

    Wouldn’t read about it.

    (hahahahahahahaha)”

    Well, how can we dance when our earth is turning, how do we sleep while our beds are burning?

    200+ house fires? All thanks to a gangly, slightly spaso burnt-out musician with a head like a chewed pencil eraser, who wanted to take up politics, and change “everything”?

    Well done, you fucking louse… you’ve made your bed, it’s burnt, now sleep in the fucker.

  86. val majkus

    My understanding is that the ‘Theiss’ money was originally sourced from the WA Government (i.e taxpayers) as part of a general workplace training? purposes fund

    Lurker that’s not quite right if by ‘Thiess money’ you mean the entirety of monies paid to Thiess for the Dawesville Channel project
    So far as I’m aware the Thiess contract for the development has not been published and I’ve been unable to get a copy of it so I don’t know what the entirety of the cost was
    But there is an indication of the potential MONIES paid by the BCITF to Thiess in John Louren’s paper linked to this post http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/01/the-bcitf-money-paid-to-thiess-at-dawesville-a-scholarly-paper-by-dr-john-lourens-fcpa.html
    the submission dated 6/10/1992 referred to in that paper is the Thiess submission to the BCITF also linked at that post

  87. harrys on the boat

    Someone needs to offer Garrett a loan of their neck tie and point him in the direction of the nearest ladies toilets.

  88. stackja

    ALP/unions have always acted this way. For once the questions are being asked. The answers may not satisfy.

  89. jupes

    While Julia may plead young and naïve when she did set this up initially – she had to know subsequently that something shonky was afoot.

    Oh she knew alright.

    Why else would she keep it a secret from her partners?

  90. A Lurker

    Hi Val, that was only my understanding (based on a hazy recollection of reading Smithy’s blog). You’re the expert here so I’ll defer to your greater knowledge.

  91. stackja

    jupes
    #1303711, posted on May 13, 2014 at 1:27 pm
    While Julia may plead young and naïve when she did set this up initially – she had to know subsequently that something shonky was afoot.
    Oh she knew alright.
    Why else would she keep it a secret from her partners?

    She was continuing in her youthful ways and naivety. Standard ALP practice.

  92. Natural Instinct

    Expect Garrett’s personal defence to be same as Arbib’s.
    Yes there were lots of pieces of paper flying about, and yes some were addressed to Minister’s Office, Minister, and my name – but that does not mean I actually ‘saw’ it, and if I did ‘see it’ it does not mean that I actually ‘read it’.
    And if I ‘read it’ and asked someone to take care of it, or give advice on it, that does not mean I know if they did ‘take care of it’, or ‘give advice on it’. And if advice was given that does not mean I know if advice was actioned (after being sent, seen or read). And so it goes on…
    .
    Seems like a ‘to’ email is not a smoking gun anymore. Need a ‘from’ email from a personal account that only Minister has access to.

  93. stackja

    Natural Instinct
    #1303722, posted on May 13, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    MSM will be forgiving and forgetting very soon.

  94. David

    A self respecting budgie wouldn’t even shit on it.

    HB my self respecting budgie begs to disagree with you. It’s only complaint is that the aviary is not of sufficient height to get the best splatter effect. Otherwise it is eminently suitable to be shat upon being its probably only useful purpose.

    :-)

  95. MT Isa Miner

    Kaboom

    #1303679, posted on May 13, 2014 at 1:07 pm

    Phillipa:

    “Peter fuckin’ Garrett. Is it safe to say he didn’t foresee fronting up to a RC defending his personal shambles that killed 4 citizens and burnt down over 200 of their homes, when he thought about a political career?

    Wouldn’t read about it.

    (hahahahahahahaha)”

    Well, how can we dance when our earth is turning, how do we sleep while our beds are burning?

    200+ house fires? All thanks to a gangly, slightly spaso burnt-out musician with a head like a chewed pencil eraser, who wanted to take up politics, and change “everything”?

    Well done, you fucking louse… you’ve made your bed, it’s burnt, now sleep in the fucker.

    Weeeeellll. Wait a minute. Put the safety back on. Kaboom and Harry. Shoot me, if you want to, but if there is anybody that is young and naïve in this sewer it might be Garret.

    There’s nothing in his history to show he was mates with any Labour shonks in his past. There are no mentions of the list of union or Labour names in his past, no past deals with wog crooks or business associates with names with lots of vowels ( hey I’ve got wog blood so I can say this stuff that’s the rules).

    He’s been an undercover Christian for many years so it really is possible that he is a leftist because he is a sucker that knows no better. It is possible that he believes land rights will do Aborigines good and that we are destroying the earth. I know people like this. Just because he’s got some education doesn’t mean he’s got any sense. He was drafted by the Labour party as a front , a Patsy. I reckon he was played for a sucker. I hope he dumps a bucket on them if that is the case.

  96. val majkus

    You’re the expert here so I’ll defer to your greater knowledge

    Lurker, I’ve got no claim to any expertise; each of us has something different to add; I must say I’m going to find it confusing to have both RCs on the one thread
    I’m only intending to comment on Blewitt’s evidence and that’s going to be mixed up with Peter Garretts

  97. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Val majkas – you posted the links to your paper on the Accident and death fund over on the other thread. My reading is that those funds were used to buy two holiday units in Kalbarri for the use of senior A.W.U. officials – rent free. If I am correct, isn’t it just another example of the staggering sense of self entitlement shown by Craig Thompson and Michael Williamson? Where is any sense of responsibility for your members funds?

  98. Kaboom

    MIM, Steve Price didn’t see the naive joke:

    Report from back in November 2007.

    The multi-millionaire had decided upon an activist course of action, had joined the Labor (note the spelling) Party after being a Green, for the specific purpose of being parachuted into a Ministerial position.

    He wanted to change things, in accordance with his ideology. There is nothing young and naive about this at all.

    He was directly responsible for four installer deaths, and 200+ burning beds. Fuck the louse, and any attempt to justify his actions just because he apparently didn’t have any corrupt Labor/union mates.

    Give me a fucking break…

  99. val majkus

    Zulu the units were purchased for $145,000 and sold for $236,000 3 years later; they were used for a short time on that rent free basis but ultimately the FADF did well out of the deal
    As to the updated value in A$ of the Dawesville and Melbourne payments by Thiess to AWUWRA these are the updated A$ amounts as at March 2014
    Dawesville $493,388.00
    Melbourne Water $179,946.55

    total in A$ values as at March 2014 $673,334.55
    (thanks to John Lourens)

  100. Sir Fred Lenin

    Were I the Officer inCharge of the AWU scam ,I would have a quiet chat with Wilson,offering him a lesser sentence in exchange for him revealing where the bodies are buried in the union Mafia scheme of things,I am sure he is a weak linkand would be easily broken his part history indicates the selfseeking nature of a born alp crook.abandoning hus wife and children,putting his “mate” Blewitt in the frame ,using his stupid woman gilliard to further his own selfish ends ,thenbuying the house with stolen money in Blewitts name so his wife would not get it in a divorce,a nice little legal trick,wonder where this ignorant unio thug picked up these legal niceties? .He could still provide usefull inforamtion to assist in further prosecutions of union crooks,I cannot see him being the “Stand Up Guy” for his former mates in the union Mafia.This corruption extends into many things and people,the criminal Burke,Liar Laurence,alp WA,unions,Federal unins,and the law trade in Vic.,WA, and federal appoitees of the alp. People always talk of Corruption in Indonesia and other countries,that of course does not exist in Australia,Yeah Right Comrade!

  101. The TWU organiser mentioned by Ralph Blewitt, as a recipient of a $5,000 wad of cash, could be this cove:

    Jim has been a full-time official of the union for 28 years after joining the union as a full-time organiser back in 1984. […]
    Jim has been a full-time official of the union for 28 years after joining the union as a full-time organiser back in 1984.

  102. Des Deskperson

    Drummer Rob Hirst was reputedly the intellectual and ideological power house behind Midnight Oil. Garrett was allegedly just the front man in both senses of the word.

    Hirst must have had a few mates, because in the dying days of the old ‘Bulletin’, he had a regular column. In one of these he fantasised about a better Australia (in 2020 IIRC) in which everything was green and sustainable and Peter Garret was Prime Minister (or maybe president).

    gi

  103. Oops, failed cut and paste:

    After 18 successful years at the helm of the WA Branch of the Transport Workers Union (TWU) Jim McGiveron stands down as Branch Secretary on December 31.

  104. H B Bear

    Lurch takes the stand.

    “You Rang.”

  105. val majkus

    Blewit’s counsel – reference to Mr Ludwig – Christian name – name is Bill
    yesterday spoke about cashing cheques – $50,000 and $7,000 did you exhaust your memory about cashed cheques
    one of $5,000 approx. some time 1994; my instructions to give to a Mr Jim McGirven of the TWU in WA; he was organisor for TWU; was told amount of money and possibly within 48 hours handed it over; no one else present; Lake Bridge café in North Perth; was in brown paper bag; told reason to ‘assist Mcgirven in upcoming election campaign’ –
    told court yesterday in mid 1991 WAbranch engaged S & G as its solicitors; yes; you said in 1993 you went to Melb to S & G and had a meeting with Murphy and Gillard; you knew Wilson was endeavouring to est an entity for receipt of funds; name AWUWRA so far as I know think was settled at that meeting;
    gave evidence wanted to keep that entity separate and secret and your activities also from the AWU
    S & G had AWU as its solicitors; yes; did you think there was a risk you might be found out because they acted for the AWU?; didn’t cross my mind
    Dawesville Cut is that the last in the series of invoices you sent to Thiess; yes; marked at the top ‘final’ yes; not my handwriting; never visited the Dawesville cut;
    at that time 1994 did you know when Dawesville was due to be completed; no; did you have any discussions with Thiess about work the WRA was going to provide for that project; no
    letter from Thiess 16/3/92 from Jukes to you as Sec wra; 4TH PARA; ‘as discussed we would be pleased to take secondment from you; will end at the end of the project’ I never had discussions with Jukes and no one from the Assoc attended the site so far as I know
    defamation proceedings; did you become aware in 96 that S & G had obt a subp to release the Kerr St file; I subsequently dictated a letter to them claiming privilege over those documents; were you provided a copy of a S & G letter to the ICA; the handwritten letter is a letter from me at the request of … can’t precisely recall who asked me to send a the dictated letter to the IRC; tender letter 5/8/96 signed by Blewitt to S & G;
    the ad in the WA NEWSPAPER for 6/3/92 announcing the intention to form the assoc; don’t remember who drafted that; either Murphy or Gillard

  106. Tiny Dancer

    Wilson’s solicitor is hopeless. Apologising in advance of a failure.

  107. Notafan

    I liked that Gillard was in the front of the house and Wilson and the builders out the back when Blewitt arrived with cash for the builders.
    Work has been done, builders expecting to be paid, no chance Gillard had an inkling that money was going to change hands and made sure she wasn’t going to witness that?
    (based on reported testimony yesterday)

  108. Wilson’s counsel has started trying to slime Blewitt as lying for pay.

  109. She’s actually said that “the tone” of Blewitt was a problem!
    It’s the vibe!

  110. Dr Kristine Hanscombe QC:

    Dr Hanscombe has a broad administrative law, commercial and equity practice, and a particular interest, deriving from her training in physics and mathematics, in cases involving engineering and scientific matters.
    Her administrative law practice includes both judicial review and advice to government as to matters of legislative drafting and related issues. She is experienced in professional disciplinary matters, and related processes, mostly in relation to the legal profession. In addition she has substantial experience in merits review administrative matters, both in tribunals and on appeal, and has appeared as counsel assisting in various types of executive inquiries. She assisted in the Ambulance Royal Commission with particular responsibility for the telecommunications engineering expert evidence. She has represented potentially affected persons in other Royal Commissions.
    In relation to commercial matters, she has several years’ experience in class actions, in the Federal Court and the Victorian Supreme Court.

  111. Toiling Mass

    Were I the Officer inCharge of the AWU scam ,I would have a quiet chat with Wilson,offering him a lesser sentence

    Well, there you go.

    I would have offered him a loaded pistol and a little privacy.

  112. val majkus

    Wilson’s Barrister – If you were asked to attend this Comm further would you come; yes; subject to financial availability;
    about finances; the LSL would be welcome; fair to say in intervening years you have not financially all that well; I’ve become unemployed; vets pension; in 96 you moved to Indonesia because it was cheaper; wants to ask that question in the absence of the witness; Mr Blewitt taken o/s
    W’s counsel – hand to the comm some documents I want to tender through Mr B; these are 3 screen shots of e mails on mobile phone received by my client; will show you this witness been in financial straits; will show you his evidence been funded by third party; want to explore with him the motivation behind his evidence
    Counsel for Comm – if questions going to be asked about motivation very little in the e mails which would explain his motivation today; if W’s barrister wants to ask if some other party has paid for his attendance today …
    Wilson’s barrister; first 2 Long Doc docs show a friendly approach to Mr W; friendly and matey manner; contrast with the subsequent e mail is stark and the chronology as to when that was sent goes to this witness’s credit which is essential – central in our submission;
    Comm referred to ‘risk of losing his employment’ don’t see why the first 2 docs are relevant; the 3rd document is in a different category;
    the last document – refers to the ABC Blewitt interview 21/11 and the Wilson int 27/11/2012
    Comm assisting – if W’s S Mr B saw W’s interview on 27/11 as I understand he coloured his evidence by reason of what Wilson said on 27/11/2012; but thing is has blewit changed his story from 21/11
    W’s sol ‘we would say he is now animated by animus’ – more broadly I persist this shows a very substantial change to Wilson; if some one had bullied etc would not be writing in the matey terms of the first 2 e mail
    comm reject the tender of those 3 e mails

  113. Well, how can we dance when our earth is turning, how do we sleep while our beds are burning?

    200+ house fires? All thanks to a gangly, slightly spaso burnt-out musician with a head like a chewed pencil eraser, who wanted to take up politics, and change “everything”?

    Well done, you fucking louse… you’ve made your bed, it’s burnt, now sleep in the fucker.

    I recall when the house-fires story broke last year, the reporter looked down the barrel of the camera sombrely told viewers how Peter lost his own mother in a house fire – he’d been sleeping downstairs and was unable to save her. This information was relayed, and that was it. One second there were serious questions for him to answer; the next, he had nothing to answer for because he was a victim of tragedy himself.

  114. Dr Hanscombe is now getting stuck into Blewitt’s association with Harry Nowicki.

  115. Dr Hanscombe is now getting stuck into Blewitt’s association with Michael Smith.

  116. So, Wilson’s defence is that we can’t believe Ralph Blewitt because he associates with too many people who want justice done. Horror!

  117. While Julia may plead young and naïve when she did set this up initially – she had to know subsequently that something shonky was afoot.

    Forever young (and naive),
    Julia is forever young (and naive).
    Do you really wanna live forever,
    young and naive?
    Forever young (and naive),
    Julia is forever young (and naive).
    Do you really wanna live forever,
    young and naive?

  118. val majkus

    Blewitt back –
    Wilson’s barrister; do you know Harry Nowicki; yes; first met him in Kuala Lumpa; about 18 months ago; sure wasn’t before that; prob early 2012; first time I met him; why did he come to KL to meet you; he’s met some of your out of pocket expenses; yes; from 2012 – I don’t know if Harry’s paying them; I’ve never seen the legal bills; has he provided other funding to you; yes; funded my trips to/from Malaysia and o/pocket expenses, nothing more; he’s shown me numerous documents; you were discussing with him yesterday during breaks; yes talking with him
    when did you first meet Michael Smith; Jan this year; first contact with Mr Smith; don’t know precise date; possibly 2 years I think; about same time as you came into contact with Mr N; about
    Mr Smith been publishing a blog – lot of articles about you; yes; have you discussed your evidence with Mr S; are you confused by my questions; has S funded any o/p expenses; no; has Mr S been present on any occasion yes, and reverse applies;
    have all conv been all 3 of you; yes; how many conv over the last 2 years have you discussed evidence with Mr N and Mr S; don’t know; more than 10; both at the same time; less than 100 – I’d be guessing
    to the best of your ability over 2 years 3 of you present; could not give you a definitive answer
    would not be a significant number
    have gone through a lot of documents with Mr N – can’t give you an indication of how many conversations; on each visit to aust I’ve met with Mr N;
    can’t recall sending him e mails about the subject matter of this enquiry
    you’ve got e mails about that; yes; and with Mr Smith about that; yes
    how many times to Aust at behest of Mr N – I think 4; normally only a week or 9 days
    and how many times to Aust otherwise – none
    does Mr N provide hotel accomm – yes; on occasions;
    any other financial assistance – none whatsoever

  119. Tiny Dancer

    Wilson claiming to have run a very tidy office. And fancy that, no witnesses to the criminal activity!!!!!

  120. mizaris

    Have they got to the stuff in Tim Daly’s shed yet????

  121. val majkus

    Wilson’s sol – 1995 conv CIB – you set up the account – your sig top of the page; under that W’s sig is a stamp; you affixed that stamp; yes; how did you get a rubber stamp of his signature; we swapped rubber stamps of our sigs; mr w had my rubber stamp; Mr W will say that you were not entitled to his sig on bank documents; that’s a lie; when we first est the WRA acct he said ‘here you are; you can use this on bank docs’; yes;
    that is not my handwriting on 299; anyone to sign? who gave that instruction; so far as I recall both Mr w and I were both in attendance; Really? Are you suggesting you used his rubber stamp when he was present; so far as I recall it was opened by the two of us
    page 300; the first statement of that acct; yes, it went to the Fitzroy PO Box; at p 2 of the s/t 1/6/95 – by then W had well and truly settled in Melb do you agree? Yes, he was returning to Perth on numerous occasions; that statement went to your house; yes; it didn’t go to W; don’t recall getting it;
    there would be no way W would have your private mail delivered to him in Melb would you? You would have a cause if you wanted to keep it secret from W – it would be yes; you resigned on 16/8/93; yes; on 18/8 – we both left; but transactions continued to be made on this acct until 8/2/96 correct? Yes; and statements cont to go to your residential address; seems that way; don’t recall receiving those statements
    303-305; cheques drawn on that acct by you; yes; all but one for cash; yes; and one is for rialto cleaning services; that service used to clean Kerr St property; I mailed it to them on W’s instructions; money continues to bleed from this acct and the s/s cont to go to your address; you’re the person controlling these statements; we remained friends; I visited him at his rest
    said yesterday you wanted to keep your job; but at this time we were still mates; weren’t referring to these cheques yesterday; these cheques after you left your job you did because you were mates; yes;
    there is another reason alongside of that; W said if I did not assist him with this he would go to DVA and interfere with your pension; and while I was employed with union I’d lose my job
    I felt intimidated by W – I was in the process of the second stage of that pension; when I became unemployed I applied for a full TPI pension; what could he do if you were legitimately disabled; whilst I was in the process

  122. Tiny Dancer

    Wet lettuce cross reveals a rash.

  123. val majkus

    Blewitt cont; I don’t recall exactly what the precise words; the gist; he intimated he would in some way try and interfere with the process of my trying to obtain my DVA pension; I was frightened of him then;
    while I was at the union; I was frightened because he had control of my destination; depends on your definition of ‘frightened; was loyal to W because my emp could be term; when you stop being frightened; no longer frightened because he’s not tied to me but I wouldn’t want to meet him outside the court
    think I got my full pension in 1996 or 1997 before I moved to Indonesia –
    so at time you were writing CIB you were not on full pension; I not sure when date of my pension commenced;
    I knew I was doing something wrong – did it at request of W; you personally knew what you were doing was wrong — yes
    In 1995 you got legal advice about police interviews; was still at union when interviewed; think I got legal advice about that – Galbally we’ve waived privilege

  124. Kaboom

    val m: I commented yesterday that Blewett was “white-washing” himself, and this destroys the Nuremberg Defence.

    Dr Hanscombe QC is cutting him to pieces.

  125. val majkus

    Blewitt, my sig doc drafted in 1994; still employed by union; this is pre-emptive doc designed to protect you from the police
    Com relevance?
    (when did b come to cons of what he was doing was wrong)
    Wilson’s C- this is what you intended to give to the police?
    who drafted it – can’t recall; was adv vict police wanted to int me in Perth; they were inv complaint about W in vict; I was given 2 options; one to take personal friend; I can’t recall if I drafted that document; I would have no idea how to draft a document like this – I couldn’t compose that – I signed it; purpose to give to the police; yes; were you of the view honestly held you had made no offence;
    first sentence says ‘I’m not guilty of any offence’ I knew we had committed an offence re Kerr St property; WRA – I didn’t know what the police wanted to interview me about – they were from vict
    Comm assisting Tender that document – any relevance is marginal; some draft prepared
    Galbally – witness did make ref to inq by Vict police and this is produced as a result of that inq
    Comm relevance and credit? Counsel assisting – he acted in a particular way for particular reasons
    Comm don’t see it’s relevant to an issue
    adj for 5 mins

  126. Dr Hanscombe QC is cutting him to pieces.

    Rubbish. An “admission” in a statement to police, which was probably written by some other person, that he had committed no offence, is not proof that he had at the time no knowledge that he had been party to frauds.

  127. Grigory M

    Dr Hanscombe QC just got told by the Commissioner that the line of questioning she has been pursuing has no relevance. And she has just accepted the Commissioner’s view.

  128. val majkus

    I do think once Wilson had left the union and relocated to Perth from Melb that it was natural that the CIB mail be redirected; either signatory to the acct could have collected statements

  129. Kaboom

    Deadman, it ain’t “rubbish”.

    She is cutting him to pieces, and despite His Honour Justice Dyson Heydon’s interference. I don’t have a dog in this fight, and I would love to see Wilson/Gillard go down on this. I’m just talking from a little bit of experience.

  130. JMH

    Val and Deadman, thank you for your work relaying events from today’s Hearing.

  131. MT Isa Miner

    Kaboom

    #1303742, posted on May 13, 2014 at 1:55 pm

    MIM, Steve Price didn’t see the naive joke:

    Report from back in November 2007.

    The multi-millionaire had decided upon an activist course of action, had joined the Labor (note the spelling) Party after being a Green, for the specific purpose of being parachuted into a Ministerial position.

    He wanted to change things, in accordance with his ideology. There is nothing young and naive about this at all.

    He was directly responsible for four installer deaths, and 200+ burning beds. Fuck the louse, and any attempt to justify his actions just because he apparently didn’t have any corrupt Labor/union mates.

    Give me a fucking break…

    Shit, yeah, I forgot about that little gem.

    Fair cop, Kaboom. He’s one of Richardson’s “what ever it takes” brigade. Lock and Load.

  132. val majkus

    W’s Sol; when you were Perth AWU State Sec you were Wilson’s peer; Wilson couldn’t get you sacked once you were state sec could he?; yes; you held parallel positions; yes; you held that position for about 2 years; in Feb 1995 you were no longer WA sec and you became a lower position an organisor; yes; employed by NCB; Wilson was secretary of that; I was an organisor in his employ;
    back to the cheques; large no of cheques drawn on WRA cheque acct, page 118; this is the cheque on 10/2/93 for $25,000 to be used in part for dep of Kerr St; I would say that is W’s sig stamp; but not sure;
    difficult to tell; looking for comparison; look at 219; the 118 is his signature stamp; Comm how can one tell the difference – how do you judge the difference; B I can identify the difference if I can locate 2 cheques; his sig stamp is clearly on a slant and contains 2 dots on the signature one above the l and one above the s; and the stamp tends to lean down to the left; his h/w sigs do not include the 3 dots; see 10/3/93 BW’s sig there – that’s his actual sig;
    C/sel assisting; ….
    w’s sol … you accept that sigs up to the right and have 3 dots are the stamp; we have marked all the cheques signed with a stamp – could hand up a schedule … we can produce a schedule in a matter of moments
    to another topic and come back – you went to nat exec meetings – yes, that’s correct; and BW cont to come back to Perth quite frequently; can’t recall the frequency; he came on reg basis to WA
    since he was coming to Wa if your story is right if the cashing of the cheques, you could have given it to him at Nat ex meetings; each of these w/ds thousands in each instance occur in clumps of days and subs amts of money amassed in clumps when he was in Perth; yes, I gave him money in Perth but on some occasions at Nat exec meetings; there is no cheque signed by w personally after 21/2/1994; I’d have to see evidence

  133. Val and Deadman, thank you for your work relaying events from today’s Hearing.

    +1

    I haven’t been watching, but have been enjoying the summary and insights posted in the thread

  134. Rubbish.

    it ain’t “rubbish”.

    Oh, yes it is.
    Dr Hanscombe QC contends that one union secretary cannot intimidate a peer; this shews an odd ignorance of union thuggery. She seems to think it surprising that two blokes would conspire to commit fraud without inviting witnesses to be present. She seems to think that having a few expenses paid by Harry Nowicki somehow invalidates Blewitt’s testimony. She seems to be strong on sarcasm and rather light on a strong case to support the notion that Wilson was not Blewitt’s leader.

  135. Arnost

    Val – being pedantic (sorry)

    As to the updated value in A$ of the Dawesville and Melbourne payments by Thiess to AWUWRA these are the updated A$ amounts as at March 2014
    Dawesville $493,388.00
    Melbourne Water $179,946.55

    total in A$ values as at March 2014 $673,334.55

    I make that nearly $1.2m… your above value is simply the Dawesvill and Melb Water amts summed.

  136. Grigory M

    She is cutting him to pieces

    Sure – with an irrelevant wet lettuce leaf.

    I don’t have a dog in this fight

    Hah ha ha ha – ROTFLMAO at that one, El Kaboong.

  137. Kaboom

    Deadman, please give me your review once the RC adjourns for the evening.

    Look, I am willing to review my “Cutting him to pieces” comment, in light of the further submissions and evidence.

    I’m thinking of a word like “Crucifixion”. What do you think?

    “I can’t recall” is not a good look…

  138. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Been watching, and it’s all coming out slowly, like slime oozing out of a foetid swamp. I get the feeling of nooses being drawn around necks with agonising slowness.

    Bet The Lying Slapper is rivetted to the screen with a conga-line of Fairfax and ABC journalists suckholes on duty as she keeps crapping herself.

  139. “I can’t recall” is not a good look…

    Yet “I can’t recall” may often be a legitmate answer to any question which asks for details from twenty years ago.

  140. Kaboom

    Grigory M, you say “Hah ha ha ha – ROTFLMAO at that one, El Kaboong.”

    Seriously? Care to extrapolate upon your comment? I’m giving you a wedge of opportunity here, so utilise the opportunity well…

    Otherwise, STFU. Seriously, leave it to the adults.

  141. Andore Jr.

    I can’t recall” is not a good look…

    Bet Gillard will use it!

  142. val majkus

    Ws sol – cheque 227; 21/3/94 stamp, 228 23/3/94; 24/3/94, 29/3/94, 14/4/94; 7/4/94; 29/3/94; 3/5/94; 5/5/94; 6/5/94; 12/5/94 (that one’s difficult; accept it’s a stamp); 27/5/94 (can’t tell); next one is stamp; 2/6/94 stamped) 3/6/94 stamped appears to be; 2/9/94; 20/9/94 yes, stamps; 23/9/94; 27/10/94; 7/11/94; 23/11/94; 2/9/94; 7/12/94; 9/12/94; 12/12/94; 12/12/94; can I say this subject to verification by someone who can tell the diff bet the stamp and W’s sig; 30/12/94; 12/4/95 stamp too
    I now put to you with the exception of 248 which you can’t identify there is no cheque after 21/2/94 no cheque signed by W; subject to verification of someone expert in these matters I accept it
    Money in back garden? If W was in Perth every couple of weeks why; I had subs monies in Perth waiting to be delivered to W in Sydney; W came to Perth occasionally not every week
    did you pick W up at the airport? I can’t recall – think he took his union vehicle to Melb; don’t recall may have on one or two occasions;
    had to bury money for safety because worried about how much there was
    Got to Gillard’s house; got a taxi from airport; house weatherboard; old weatherboard house; walked through the main passage a verandah out the back; did you stay in Melb that night; yes; might have stayed at Kerr St that night; in fact Kerr St was used as Melb base for the union; no; no office that I can recall; never used to accommodate union people passing through Melb; don’t know; W had that as his own personal residence; so he was putting me up as a mate
    the cheque for $25,000 saw that cheque; then cheque taken out for $23,000 given to Wilson; the difference; of $2,000 don’t recall how it was paid in cash to W or perhaps I wrote a cheque; I had joint acct with my wife; you didn’t keep that $2,000 no; I did not keep those funds
    signing of the POA; yes; you say POA signed after 4/2 in Perth; W will say it was signed in Melb and he remembers because he missed his sister’s birthday party
    you had owned real estate; house and units; residential prop mortgaged; was familiar with the kind of docs used in re transactions, yes
    about Ms Gs house, said you went there with cash; you swore a p/s you went there with $31,000 – don’t recall that
    In Nov 2012 you gave 3 sworn s/s to Vic police and in one of those when you went to Abottsford you had $31,600 do you recall that? Hand w this doc -

  143. Tintarella di Luna

    Do you think the Child Abuse (Tony Abbott’s a Catholic) Royal Commission will look into the historical rape of a minor at a Young Labor event and perhaps look into the institution of parliament vis a vis the number of Kiddie fiddler MPs who have gone to gaol for the crime of child sexual abuse? I mean they are looking into the child abuse in institutions aren’t they?

  144. Grigory M

    Go fuck yourself, El Kaboong.

  145. Kaboom

    Deadman, FFS, the “NORMAL” answer one would expect is “I do not remember!”. Further reasons for this inability may or may not be proffered.

    Every Judge etc draws an adverse inference from witnesses who say “I do not recall”.

    Only people who play in this particular sand-pit know the rules…

  146. Tintarella di Luna

    My understanding is that the ‘Theiss’ money was originally sourced from the WA Government (i.e taxpayers) as part of a general workplace training? purposes fund. I think the Labor Premier at the time was Carmen Lawrence.

    Well we won’t be getting anything of value from the original and unbested Lawrence of Amnesia

  147. val majkus

    Mr B – do you recognise that is a s/t you made; usual dec at the end; s/t says
    W’s sol – have made a muddle
    another doc; same date; 3rd page; 5th para; sometime in those months ‘took out $31,600′
    coun assisting ‘ doesn’t say quite that’
    W’s sol ‘when you made you didn’t have an actual memory; it was prepared for me; I glanced at face value and didn’t turn my mind to read every line of every para; if I perjured then I apologise – I glanced through it’ where did the info come from – Mr N drafted this doc; from docs he had; he typed this s/t and I took it to the Police; that’s correct; equally I did not read the others very carefully;
    is the reason that the material bottom of 3 and top of 4 because Mr N prepared this document
    the para at p 3 ‘as an aside I would also like to state the following’ was dictated by myself to the vict police prior to the interview are mine
    this s/t made shortly before or after you appeared on 7.30 report; think made before 7.30 report
    this was taken in presence of Mr Gallbally – yes, I’m talking about all 3 s/ts; this was prepared prior to my arrival at Police station; apart from what I’ve prev indicated;

  148. Kaboom

    Grigory M: 3:48 p.m.:

    “She is cutting him to pieces

    Sure – with an irrelevant wet lettuce leaf.

    I don’t have a dog in this fight

    Hah ha ha ha – ROTFLMAO at that one, El Kaboong.”

    Kaboom’s measured response, 3:57 p.m.:

    “Grigory M, you say “Hah ha ha ha – ROTFLMAO at that one, El Kaboong.”

    Seriously? Care to extrapolate upon your comment? I’m giving you a wedge of opportunity here, so utilise the opportunity well…

    Otherwise, STFU. Seriously, leave it to the adults.”

    Grigory M’s decimating intellectual slash at 4:01 p.m.:

    “Go fuck yourself, El Kaboong.”

    OK, let the people decide…

  149. val majkus

    Mr B ‘I came here with intention of being honest and open as I can; as I did when I attended vit police; are occasions when mind is muddled and I make mistakes’
    C/s assisting – the s/t payment of t/ment 1994; page 3 there is figure of $31,600 took out that sum over 3 months’ – then further para $7,000 which is consistent; and the balance gave to Mr W
    Comm rather took Dr H’s to be backtracking from the vigor of her approach
    W’s sol you went on in this s/t you gave $7,000 and after that you gave rest to W; in your universe $13,000 would not be a few thousand dollars
    suggest this event never happened; it happened
    back to WRA -

  150. cohenite

    val, I haven’t been watching, just reading your posts so your opinion about how Blewitt has handled X would be appreciated when you can.

  151. Kaboom

    cohenite, I would submit “dreadfully”, but others may wish to provide additional adjectives…

  152. Rabz

    had to bury money for safety because worried about how much there was

    Comedy gold.

  153. had to bury money for safety because worried about how much there was

    I have that problem all the time, and he’s right – burial is the only answer.

  154. brc

    I don’t know how these guys even answer these questions. I can’t remember how much rent I was paying 20 years ago, or how much it cost to fill the car, or how much I paid for a beer. And yet they can remember handing bags of cash around to specific people and know the specific amounts.

    I suppose the lawyers reconstruct as much as possible and then mix it with what you can remember to reproduce a detailed story. Sure hope I don’t end up in the dock for something I did a long time ago..a.I’d be using the ‘I cannot recall’ an awful lot.

  155. val majkus

    W’s sol WRA evidence of meeting, 4 attendees, W will say that didn’t occur; he’s lying; if he says it didn’t occur he’s lying, yes, on this issue;
    correct I was not directly inv; signed app and lodged adv; wrote some items on those 2 forms yesterday; and that the end of my inv; no, W at some later stage delivered App and rules and I lodged them with corp affairs comm
    those to you from Ms G is that correct; has an enclosure is that correct? will have to read this
    my recollection this is the first time I’ve seen this document – best of my recollection don’t recall seeing this prior to today
    attachment too? don’t recall seeing this before today
    does it follow from that; that you did not make an app to amend the rules – you didn’t write the letter to Mr Neal at corp affairs, 221/5/92, you didn’t send such a letter; tendered
    there weren’t 5 members, Collins, Ivory, Bill the Greek, Mark Barnes were members no
    not a rep on site at Dawesville – I was branch sec – I never authorised anyone to attend Dawesville
    became aware recently of W’s position with BCITF; Thiess were provided from BCITF and they subsequently cond training at daweville, to the best of my knowledge no official physically attended that site in acc with the ag between WRA and Thiess
    Can’t say that Ivory and Wilson did not attend that site; no can’t say
    You know thiess makes no complaint re WRA – you know the original complaint was initiated by Mr Smith; you know Thiess had no complaints because training had been provided
    (trouble is with that question training was not prov by AWU****)
    transfer for Kerr St signed at Rumbrellas; don’t know how W financed it; W told me about the $350,000
    I was reg prop of Kerr St; W brought it to me at Rumbrellas and asked me to sign it

  156. val majkus

    Bl signed that doc and gave it back it back to W
    nearly $17,000 left between dis of m/g and sale funds; that came to you – Mr Stoljar showed this to you yesterday; letter from estate agent to you; are you suggesting he picked up your mail; what about the cheque attached for $16,808.15 to best of my recollection first time I’ve seen these two pages;
    to the best of my recollection I never had that money

  157. val majkus

    Mr G no questions; Mr Stoljar; asked some questions about members of the assoc, Mr Collins based in Melb, Mr Ivory, WA official; bill the greek, in Melb occasionally in Perth; Barnes was Melb based from memory
    any register of members with WRA – no
    adj this hearing now

  158. H B Bear

    Sure hope I don’t end up in the dock for something I did a long time ago..a.I’d be using the ‘I cannot recall’ an awful lot.

    Judges and juries get suspicious when people are able to remember things that help their case but can’t recall things that may not help them. You also get a general sense if people are being genuine in their attempts to remember or are simply being evasive. You don’t spend a lot of time listening to evidence without developing a fairly fine tuned ear for BS.

    Contemporaneous evidence is always the best, which makes the disappearance of the Corporate Affairs file on the AWU Workplace Reform Association so advantageous for Gillard, particularly as the two clowns Blewitt and Wilson had attempted to register the thing themselves and had it knocked back.

  159. What a masterstroke from Wilson’s QC: she insists that a shady bunch of Wilson’s associates were also members of the AWU-WRA; that makes it completely kosher!

  160. val majkus

    What a masterstroke from Wilson’s QC: she insists that a shady bunch of Wilson’s associates were also members of the AWU-WRA; that makes it completely kosher!

    Deadman, is she legitimately suggesting it’s legitimate for a number of union members (or one or two whatever number) to get the AWU’s money
    and is she suggesting it’s legitimate for a assoc called AWUWRA to be formed without the knowledge of the AWU

  161. Gab

    What’s happened today? Has gillard been thrown in jail? If not, why not?

  162. Tiny Dancer

    Please excuse my ignorance but is the pedestrian but earnest lady lawyer type, complete with Wilson’s instructions suggesting that Blewitt got the proceeds of the sale of Kerr Street?

  163. val majkus

    Arnost

    Item DEC 1995 dollars translation factor MAR 2014 dollars

    Dawesville 308,952.64 1.5970 493,388.00
    Melbourne Water 112,680.00 1.5970 179,946.55

    TOTAL 421,632.64 673,334.55

  164. Judges and juries get suspicious when people are able to remember things that help their case but can’t recall things that may not help them

    Blewitt seems to recall—sorry, Kaboom—remember events and documents wherewith he had some involvement, and seems not to recall remember some events and documents wherewith, he maintains, he had minimal involvement or none at all. This seems, on the face of it, to be consistent with his overall testimony that Wilson was the controlling figure and Blewitt the obedient minion who would sign what was put in front of him. Dr Hanscombe’s assertion that Blewitt recently erred in official statements, though supposedly shewing how unreliable Blewitt is, actually supports his contention that he would sign documents he was given without examining them too thoroughly.

  165. val majkus

    Please excuse my ignorance but is the pedestrian but earnest lady lawyer type, complete with Wilson’s instructions suggesting that Blewitt got the proceeds of the sale of Kerr Street

    yes

  166. Gab

    So what’s the verdict from today’s proceedings – has Wilson been lying through his teeth?

  167. Lem

    actually supports his contention that he would sign documents he was given without examining them too thoroughly.

    Maybe this will be Wilson’s defence, too! They can all blame Gillard! Brilliant!

  168. Vicki

    Well- for what it’s worth – I think the last 20 minutes changes the game a bit. Wilson’s barrister seems certain there were 5 on the committee of the WRA . They are the usual suspects but it contradicts the claim there were none. She also seems to have in hand the mysteriously missing letter of JEG to the WA Commissioner of Corp Affairs which seems to have additional set of rules . I may be wrong on this & will await what Michael Smith reports. But it is everyone’s fear that she may just weasel out of this problem of incorporation. On a better note the claim that the fateful meeting at S&G did not happen (according to Wilson) is BS. Otherwise I thought that Blewitt held his own although the withdrawLs after March 1994 are interesting.

  169. Gab

    Hello? tap tap tap … is this thing on?

  170. harrys on the boat

    Anyone know how Garrett got on? Did the necktie take his weight?

  171. Gab

    Oi! Get in the queue behind me, Harry. I asked first!

  172. Vicki, if Dr Hanscombe QC maintain that the UWA-WRA was properly incorporated and had the proper number of members, she ought to provide proof, other than Wilson’s mere assertion, by shewing, for example, receipts for membership fees and notices and minutes of the legally required AGMs.

  173. rafiki

    What follows will be obvious to lawyers here, but it may be of interest to others.
    A fact-finder (Heydon) will be particularly assisted by two kinds of documents: (1) those that are a record by a person with first-hand knowledge of events, which documents were made contemporaneously with the occurrence of those events: and (2) those that record or imply the occurrence of an event – such as an airline ticket. In neither case will the document necessarily be proof that an agent occurred, and may be of dubious value, but they are very often a much more reliable basis for fact-finding than statements made orally on a witness-stand many years after the alleged occurrence of the events.
    My point is that Heydon will consider a great deal more evidence – and more reliable evidence – than that we hear from the witness stand.

  174. Grigory M

    Dr Hanscombe – the pedestrian but earnest lady lawyer type

    Perceptive observation IMO.

  175. twostix

    Maybe this will be Wilson’s defence, too! They can all blame Gillard! Brilliant!

    Why not?

    The piss weak “law” in this land would never chase down a former PM. So they can both blame her she’ll have a fit of rage at the mysogyny and impropriety of it all and all three will walk away easy.

  176. Arnost

    Val… my bad. I ASSuMEd. :)

  177. srr

    Hello? tap tap tap … is this thing on?

    yeah, but Gillard and Co’s dedicated rats of the blogosphere are too busy painting florescent escape routes for the scum and blackwashing the repentant.

    pathetic to their desperate end.

  178. Tiny Dancer

    The pedestrian lady lawyer type, armed with Wilson’s instructions, didn’t seem to take any issue with the allegation that Wilson was throwing cash around like a drunken sailor but I did miss about 20 minutes.

  179. amortiser

    Wilson’s counsel has produced a letter from Gillard to Blewitt giving him instructions to lodge amendments to the rules I think it was.

    Such correspondence could only come from the S&G file that has been supposedly missing for some time now. Am I getting this wrong here?

    Also, I would have liked to hear what Blewitt’s motivation was in changing his previously friendly attitude to Wilson. Followers of Smiths site would know that Blewitt became incensed when he heard that Wilson had been paid 20K by Thiess so there would be no union objection to them using asbestos contaminated fill in a road project in Melbourne. That would have stopped her in her tracks.

  180. Arnost

    Wilson’s barrister seems certain there were 5 on the committee of the WRA . They are the usual suspects but it contradicts the claim there were none. She also seems to have in hand the mysteriously missing letter of JEG to the WA Commissioner of Corp Affairs which seems to have additional set of rules

    Well the letter to the Commish had to confirm there were 5 on the committe. Otherwise the approval to establish the Association would not be forthcomming!

  181. Such correspondence could only come from the S&G file that has been supposedly missing for some time now.

    Perhaps; or from Wilson, who may have more documents.

  182. srr

    Heydon will consider a great deal more evidence – and more reliable evidence – than that we hear from the witness stand.

    yep.
    Now can we stop playing nice, and set the terriers on the Union Labor Lawyer Rats infesting the blogosphere and crapping all over the relevant evidence.

  183. manalive

    FORMER environment minister Peter Garrett has conceded he bore “ultimate responsibility” for Labor’s disastrous home insulation program …

    Big deal, that’s what we were paying for.
    Watching him give evidence, he has obviously taken circumlocution lessons from Rudd.

  184. Leigh Lowe

    Just reviewing the day’s courthouse journal.
    Action packed.
    Burning batts, buried cash, Bruce’s bumbling barrister, Bill the Bullshitter’s bags of cash …
    so many Royal Commissions into Labor foibles and fuck-ups …. so little time.

  185. Mr Garrett said he had visited New Zealand in 2008 to see a house that had insulation installed for a low-income scheme, but his main priority was to speak about Japanese whaling, so he wasn’t briefed on the New Zealand deaths.

    Ugh…

  186. Rabz

    What a clusterfuck of loony tunes imbeciles – from the Oz link above:

    Mr Garrett said he had visited New Zealand in 2008 to see a house that had insulation installed for a low-income scheme, but his main priority was to speak about Japanese whaling, so he wasn’t briefed on the New Zealand deaths.

    Why would anyone (even bloody New Zealanders) want to listen to that self righteous, overbearing, electrocuted stick insect crap on about Japanese whaling, FFS?

  187. PETER Garrett has conceded he bore “ultimate responsibility” for Labor’s disastrous home insulation program.

    Whenever I hear a politician concede responsibility for something, I always think of this scene from Buffy:

    Buffy: Uh-oh, you have butt-face.
    Giles: Excuse me?
    Buffy: You look like you’re gonna say, “but”

    Reading the article:

    FORMER environment minister Peter Garrett has conceded he bore “ultimate responsibility” for Labor’s disastrous home insulation program.

    Wait for it…

    But he has told a royal commission in Brisbane that everyone involved in the program – from state regulators to employees – had a role to play in minimising risks.

    Bingo!

    “My view about responsibility is that we share responsibilities in the delivery of government programs,” he said.

    “We share responsibilities with those other institutions that equally have them, such as state regulatory bodies, employers, ultimately employees as well.”

    It’s nice to share.

  188. Motelier

    Just reviewing the day’s courthouse journal.
    Action packed.
    Burning batts, buried cash, Bruce’s bumbling barrister, Bill the Bullshitter’s bags of cash …
    so many Royal Commissions into Labor foibles and fuck-ups …. so little time.

    I do not have enough screens to take all of this in.

  189. srr

    Not at all surprised that certain rats aren’t currently infesting Michael Smith’s blog -

    http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2014/05/julia-gillard-to-receive-honorary-doctorate-from-victoria-university-no-media-please-by-request-1.html

    like they used to.

    No amount of lawyerly spin can stand against all the official paperwork Smith makes available at his site.

  190. Vicki

    Think you are right Amortiser about the origin of the letter from S&G files.

  191. David

    Every Judge etc draws an adverse inference from witnesses who say “I do not recall”.

    Kaboom I have stayed out of this until now but having spent forty nine years in our adversarial court system your statement is just plain wrong. There are circumstances, such as the passing of time, which render “I do not recall” in respect to many issues the only honest answer.

    To recall small and often incidental details from long ago legitimately draws greater scepticism unless they are closely and importantly associated with some greater occurrence. Even then memory is not infallible.

  192. johanna

    Thanks very much for the running precis, Val. Much appreciated. Sinc, where is the elephant stamp? :)

    Must agree with those who say that not remembering a lot of details from a busy job 20 years ago is hardly suspicious in itself. Some people have excellent memories for that kind of thing; others (like your correspondent) have hopeless ones.

    But it is also true that experienced counsel and judges like Heydon can pick up on trends of selective memory and forgetfulness which put the witness in the best light pretty quickly.

  193. Delta A

    Yes Val, Vicki, Deadman and all the other knowledgeable contributors, thanks for your input. When you have time, could you please post your personal takes on the proceedings today?

  194. lem

    Moi aussi, thanks Val. I think on balance if Wilson’s lawyer had any killer punches to shut down Blewitt we would have seen them. Some new documents have appeared, including evidence yesterday that Blewitt was in Melbourne on the 4th feb, but if she had S&G documents to prove he was in the office signing the POA before he went to the airport, I imagine she would have just tabled that and shut down the whole POA thing. Obviously, such corroboration does not exist. Today I thought she (the lawyer) was pretty hopeless, and scored a few own goals, especially when she asked whether Blewitt was still afraid of Wilson and he said, well I wouldn’t want to meet him on the street outside here (!). Look forward to actually seeing the new documents she tabled. I imagine she has gotten them from Wilson’s secret stash.

  195. Carpe Jugulum

    It’s nice to share.

    Fleeced Garrett is about to find out one of the golden rules of management, you can delegate your responsibility but you can’t delegate your accountability.

    The man is a week kneed jellyfish.

  196. JC

    Fleeced

    So Lurch takes responsibility, but…….

    What an arsehole.

  197. Fleeced Garrett is about to find out one of the golden rules of management, you can delegate your responsibility but you can’t delegate your accountability.

    He may at that… still, he didn’t seem to drop Rudd in it. We’d heard rumours before that he’d raised concerns with Rudd – though of course, saying that might be considered an admission of liability.

  198. So Lurch takes responsibility, but…

    Yes. He had butt-face.

  199. I think on balance if Wilson’s lawyer had any killer punches to shut down Blewitt we would have seen them.

    I agree. If that were the best she could do against Blewitt, who admits to being crooked, she won’t lay a finger on Bob Kernohan, and Kernohan will really make Wilson and Gillard et al. look bad.

  200. JC

    Yes. He had butt-face.

    He has that head you just wanna stick in a vice and tighten it.

  201. lem

    I agree. If that were the best she could do against Blewitt, who admits to being crooked, she won’t lay a finger on Bob Kernohan, and Kernohan will really make Wilson and Gillard et al. look bad

    I know the documents really well from Michael Smith’s site, Deadman, and I believed that Wilson and Gillard were stuffed before Blewitt took the stand, but now I am convinced. It’s just a matter now how many will go down. If that was the best they could do with the fellow fraudster today, they are done for.

  202. JMH

    and Kernohan will really make Wilson and Gillard et al. look bad. dezdman, don’t forget Shorten in that. Also, somebody called Roxon may also score a mention. I hope Kernohan unloads the full magazine on them!

  203. Rabz

    So Lurch takes responsibility, but…

    These people are dead, Garrett!

    :x

  204. JMH

    * Deadman. Sorry for failure to proof before hitting ‘Send’!

  205. lem

    I hope Kernohan unloads the full magazine on them!

    It is his sincere intention.

  206. .

    IS Garrett gonna donate some of his royalties to the insulation victims?

    It was like they wheeled out old Bernie to talk up asbestos to deflect the heat off Garrett.

    When I work up and down the pink batt scheme
    There’ll be food on the table tonight
    and nothing’s as precious as
    corporate welfare…

    (Coda…)

  207. .

    JMH

    I want as many as possible implicated in this and I hope the latest stuff about CBUS gets into the RC.

    I’ve had it up to here living under rules decided by criminals like Gillard and Wran.

  208. Rabz

    I’ve had it up to here living under rules decided by criminals like Gillard and Wran.

    Agreed. In spades.

  209. JMH

    It is his sincere intention.

    lem – indeed. All power to Bob’s arm.

  210. JMH

    Dot. Yessiree. Can’t for the life of me see why that particular Union heavy-arm would not be exposed in this RC.

  211. JC

    Seriously, if a management team did what the earwax eater, the lying slapper and lurch did they would be terrorized for years. Lurch blames others.

  212. .

    This is bloody important that the RC savages these institutions.

    If Gillard gets away with it, why can’t I steal a million bucks?

    Short of armed robbery, sex crimes, murder, treason, sedition, piracy or terrorism, why should anyone ever be punished again, if the unions and ALP mafia get away with these multi million dollar frauds, thuggery and racketeering?

  213. Des Deskperson

    ‘Victoria University’ used to be Footscray Tech. Apparently it is highly regarded in the fields of ‘human movement’ and ‘sport science’.

    If I had a degree from Victoria University, even an honorary one – especially an honorary one – I wouldn’t boast about it.

  214. hzhousewife

    brilliant coverage here, many kudos to all, so much appreciated by one who has been out of the loop for 36 hrs or so xoxoxo

  215. kae

    Gillard will say…

    “I ‘splained id all at tha press conference.”

  216. Andrew

    Did Garrett punch anyone on the way out?

  217. amortiser

    Paul Murray opened up on Blewitt in his show tonight. He attacked him regarding the evidence and statements he put to Victorian Police. Wilson’s lawyer attacked a supposed inconsistency in the amounts purported to have been taken to Gillard’s house. She later backtracked on that attack when Counsel assisting pointed out how the police statement was actually arrived at. He couldn’t point out any area where false evidence was given. Just that Blewitt conceded that he didn’t closely read the contents of the statements before he signed them.

    Next he made a lot of the attempt of Wilson’s counsel to suggest that Blewitt’s motivation for turning on Wilson was financial benefit. She pointed to text messages or emails in 2010 which were very friendly and another in 2012 which was very unfriendly.

    If Murray had been following this story over the last couple of years he would have known why Blewitt had changed his view Wilson. Michael. Smith had disclosed on his site documentation that showed that Wilson had received 20K from Thiess to avoid union opposition to its use of asbestos contaminated fill in a Melbourne road project.

    The Commissioner ruled that questioning as irrelevant and it was never put to Blewitt. If it was he would have blown Wilson out of the water.

    Murray ought to get himself properly briefed about this story and not go off half cocked like he did tonight.

  218. srr

    This is bloody important that the RC savages these institutions.

    If Gillard gets away with it, why can’t I steal a million bucks?

    Absolutely. Could not agree more.

    Murray ought to get himself properly briefed about this story and not go off half cocked like he did tonight.

    Yes. This is important, and not only for Murray and others paid to comment, but especially ‘concerned citizen’ bloggers.

    We have born and suffered decades of crooks in positions of power, making and paying others to sell excuses for themselves, that less informed voters them buy.

    Enough!

    Even in jest and tagged sarcasm, everyone one of those excuses repeated, adds to the weight of ‘plausible deniability’ that the crooks will scramble to save themselves with.

    This is the season to put a seriously just twist on what good mothers taught their children -
    If you can’t say anything damning about these crooks, don’t say anything at all!

  219. Paul Murray also ought to read the letters tabled today from the Assistant Director of WA Corporate Affairs to Julia Gillard—“Your ref: IU:JEG”—and from Gillard to Blewitt, available at Michael Smith’s site, which establishes that (1) Gillard was thoroughly involved in forming the shonky AWU-WRA—whilst supposedly working on the AWU’s account—and had full knowledge of its circumstances; (2) she was communicating with the WA Corporate Affairs on behalf of the AWU-WRA; (3) she had no problem misleading Corporate Affairs or, at the very least, being economical with the truth; and (4) whether or not Ralph Blewitt received the letter allegedly sent to him, instructing him to send a valueless assurance to Corporate Affairs, someone else* had kept a copy thereof all these years.

    * the firm of Slater & Gordon or the firm of Maurice Blackburn or Bruce Wilson.

  220. oops: establishes and kept a copy

  221. Arnost

    While Paul Murray may rant that Blewitt’s credibility is shot for signing documents prepared by someone else (Nowicki sp?), well another take is that this is entirely within character? He is a bit too trusting?

    And remember – there are games within games being played here. That new documentation front and centre puts Julia in the middle of a fraud. But still allows her some benefit of doubt… However if the original letter from Gillard surfaces – where she does not say the association has nothing to do with being a slush fund for re-election purposes, and names 5 associates etc – well she will have no comebacks as she will clearly be caught in a lie.

    Methinks this is a broadside agains her essentially saying:” If I go down so do you… Fix it!”

  222. incoherent rambler

    What are the chances of an ALP MP getting through a RC without lying to to the commissioner?

    My bet, than more than one will get “”watch your fingers on the door”, just because they could not break a lifetime habit.

  223. stackja

    Large sections of Mr Rudd’s witness statement have been blacked out or “redacted” to keep them from public view on the grounds of cabinet confidentiality.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/rudd-arrives-to-front-insulation-inquiry/story-fni0xqi4-1226917724083

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