Q & A: Hockey defends his 2014 budget

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  1. Any jobs in a Forestry?

    Not yet. That said, we’ve got 74,000 hectares coming on line RSN.

    I do wonder if the WHA doesn’t un-approve the submission whether they might just get the middle finger.

  2. nerblnob

    *Bump in/bump out

    Whhhhaaaatttt???

    Putting up a tent/taking it down again.

    Wants to work for a trade union or in public policy. Gawd, what’s wrong with a real job?

  3. nilk, iron bogan

    Now we have the whinge about how strapping your man will be affected by the old-age pension being raised to 70. He worries about paying his mortgage, and having to reskill, yada yada.

    (oh, and he’s a Labor voter. Never saw that one coming)

    So yet another sook wanting someone else to pay for him maintaining his lifestyle.

    Get another job, sunshine. Stack shelves, pack boxes, flip burgers. Work is work and there is no dishonour in that.

  4. Foggyfig

    Does the tradie not realise he can still retire with his super at 60? At present, anyone can retire as long as they can support themselves.

  5. Carpe Jugulum

    I don’t think he does too much labouring.

    Mastubation is a form of labour.

  6. nerblnob

    I’ve moved from Sydney to Perth to Melbourne back to Sydney and then back to Melbourne for jobs.

    Meh. I’ve been everywhere, man.

    We go where the work is
    And me boys, we work where we can

    Gets harder when you’ve got kids, but people still do it.

  7. Carpe Jugulum

    Work is work and there is no dishonour in that.

    As my dad would say – There is no such thing as a shit job, it is an opportunity.

  8. Menai Pete

    Gets harder when you’ve got kids, but people still do it.

    Try being in the Defence Force and moving your family every two years

  9. custard

    Nicole is just a naive stupid juvenile who will one day realise just that

  10. Bolt Thrower

    When do taxpayers get to stop funding professional students?

    Under Austudy “allowable time” rules, previous study at the same level within the last ten years is deducted from the time allowed for the current course, this has been the case for quite a few years.

    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/centrelink/austudy/allowable-time

  11. Carpe Jugulum

    Try being in the Defence Force and moving your family every two years

    Been there done that and it sucked.

  12. Menai Pete

    Smug little trollop. Obviously primed up by her teachers

  13. Carpe Jugulum

    Interruptions came in at 63.

  14. Shelley

    I really struggle with the concept that people don’t want to work and would prefer handouts. I really do. Thank Christ I had decent (if not slightly dysfunctional at times) parents who instilled that in me – which I have passed on to our daughter, now 24 and has worked since she was 15.

  15. DJA

    Jeez I lost count of the interruptions. must be a record surely?

  16. MT

    Joe did very well despite the Snowcone’s best efforts.

  17. Carpe Jugulum

    Konbanwa troops i’m done. (early meeting)

  18. DJA

    sorry Carpe, I’ll take your word, 63 it is.

  19. Notafan

    My dad always said all work is honourable.

  20. I really struggle with the concept that people don’t want to work and would prefer handouts.

    Worth reading r/K theory as it outlines why this sort of thing occurs, and why you can’t imagine it.

  21. Paul C

    Well done Joe…all questions answered directly and in a very clear manner.

  22. nerblnob

    Gets harder when you’ve got kids, but people still do it.

    Try being in the Defence Force and moving your family every two years

    Try not being a government employee and having to take the plunge and do it yourself, without a guaranteed job.

  23. Mr Rusty

    Where did the ABC manage to find the most disabled man in the entire world with every disease and disability ever discovered to come in and attempt a gotcha question (skillfully batted away)?

    The whole show was just depressing. Australia is now officially a gigantic cesspit of self-absorbed, entitled wankers who believe the Government should wipe their arse for them if they sprain their wrist.

  24. JC

    I haven’t read upthread to see if someone has made the same comment.

    What a sad fucking country this has become if those Free Stuff questions are representative of punterland.

    Maybe, just maybe we keep criticizing this stupid show on the wrong premise. Maybe a very large part of Australia wants free stuff from the government and there simply aren’t enough people in punterland to represent what we believe at the Cat.

    But how fucking sad.

  25. min

    A good demonstration of poor listening skills of the average punter, even seemingly educated. For example how many times did Hockey have to explain about the safety nets for health such as those with chronic health problem and how everyone has access to HECS loans. Stupid well goes to show that 50% of population have average or below average in tell intelligence.

  26. wreckage

    He worries about paying his mortgage, and having to reskill

    Well FUCK, it’s almost like it’s the real world or something.

  27. JC

    Everyone see that ridiculous bint of a nurse wearing the requisite liars party supporter specs haranguing Hickey while wearing her nursing attire. What a pathetic troll.

  28. JC

    He worries about paying his mortgage, and having to reskill

    Well FUCK, it’s almost like it’s the real world or something.

    Even for a tradie he sounded kinda slow…. But why was the fucking moron talking about paying a mortgage etc when he’s going on a pension. Isn’t that shit paid for by that time.

  29. Mr Rusty

    Everyone see that ridiculous bint of a nurse wearing the requisite liars party supporter specs haranguing Hickey while wearing her nursing attire. What a pathetic troll.

    It was the Nursing Midwives Association uniform, the whiny bloody pseudo-Union that made those scaremongering election ads claiming Abbott would privatise Medicare.

  30. Habib

    I’m heartbroken I can’t get a tv signal, and have to get by watching a ’67 Avengers series dvd. Staples may have held his own, but he’s selling a pup that’s got heartworm, distemper, parvo, and recessive poodle syndrome. Were it a rottweiler with rabies, I’d be back on board.

    This country’s got more parasites than a Bombay bowfer’s bowel.

  31. MT

    But how fucking sad.

    I loved the older guy who described Australia’s ‘free health care’ system. Pleased Hockey explained to him that nothing’s for free, all funded by taxpayers.

  32. Anita

    For once, I think the audience were not stacked. There was a lot of support for Joe’s responses. He made sense. I also think TJ must have warned the audience about heckling and abuse chanting (like what happened the last time with Christopher Pyne).

    Joe was cool and calm. He knew his subject matter inside out. Well done Treasurer.

  33. val majkus

    glad I didn’t watch tonight; sounds like the audience was full of leaners and whingers
    all the doers and positive thinkers are elsewhere

  34. Gab

    A good demonstration of poor listening skills of the average punter, even seemingly educated. For example how many times did Hockey have to explain about the safety nets for health such as those with chronic health problem and how everyone has access to HECS loans. Stupid well goes to show that 50% of population have average or below average in tell intelligence.

    Yes I was quite taken aback by that. Hockey explained it all very clearly and there was no way he could dumb it down any further. I’d say around 60% of the population are only a couple of IQ points just passed dribbling morons.

  35. JC

    For once, I think the audience were not stacked

    That’s what said earlier. Doesn’t that fucking worry you? I’m really fucking worried about this country if that was a representative audience.

  36. Arnost

    Does the tradie not realise he can still retire with his super at 60? At present, anyone can retire as long as they can support themselves.

    Surprisingly no one picked up that the tradie was convinced that he would be better off on the pension than earning from a job. Joe should learn how to kill gotcha questions – have a set of stock answers memorized like: “Did someone put you up to asking that? Otherwise do you really think you will be better off on the pension? “

  37. egg_

    Habib
    #1311802, posted on May 19, 2014 at 10:59 pm

    And, as usual, after a talkfest, no opinions will have changed.

  38. JC

    I’d say around 60% of the population are only a couple of IQ points just passed dribbling morons.

    The era of idiocracy is upon us.

  39. Notafan

    I didn’t think you could even get Hecs to do a masters.

  40. MT

    Well done Treasurer.

    Hear hear.

  41. Arnost

    Yes I was quite taken aback by that. Hockey explained it all very clearly and there was no way he could dumb it down any further.

    It was Tony that was pushing for that question to be asked over and over again. He wanted Joe to say something that will allow him to accuse him of breaking the no new tax promise…

  42. JC

    I reckon this was the uniformed nurse heckling Hockey.

    Kerry Rodgers
    Executive Council, NSW Nurses and Midwives’ Association Council
    Executive member, ANMF NSW Branch Council
    RN, Operating Theatre Certificate
    MACN, MACORN
    Nursing Unit Manager, Operating Suite
    Nepean Hospital

  43. Arnost

    The era of idiocracy is upon us.

    I reckon it’s been here for a while. But I blame the media for that, and the advertisers: they have purposefully worked to dumb down the population, so as to make them more malleable.

  44. Joe should learn how to kill gotcha questions – have a set of stock answers memorized like: “Did someone put you up to asking that? Otherwise do you really think you will be better off on the pension? “

    Accusing questioners of being plants is a bad look even when it’s true.
    A question is a question.

  45. Gab

    Bolt sums it all up:

    Treasurer Joe Hockey goes on Q&A, which claims 40 per cent of the audience in the hall are Coalition voters.

    Rubbish. A woman with folded arms and a sarcastic smirk asks Hockey early on how someone so rich can understand the poor, and is applauded by the vast majority of the crowd, as is plain to see from a wide shot.

    Hockey is repeatedly booed and horse-laughed, forcing host Tony Jones to plead for heckling to stop.

    Applause for Hockey and for the rare questions from those on his side is scattered. Applause for every point scored against Hockey is loud. Most of the questions are hostile.

    That people of the Left tend to be less civil is no surprise. That the ABC repeatedly ambushes Liberals like this is now taken for granted. That the ABC is too big and biased to be healthy in our democracy should likewise be taken for granted.

    Why Liberals keep granting key interviews to the ABC rather than rivals puzzles me. They think they ABC demographic can be won over? They think they can come out looking great from repeated booings?

  46. wreckage

    Surprisingly no one picked up that the tradie was convinced that he would be better off on the pension than earning from a job.

    What the fuck is his trade? I’ve been on the DSP. If you can’t make more than that in a trade you are so stupid you… well, you probably need the DSP. It’s about the same as the aged pension. I am currently clearing the DSP doing casual labour 3 days a week.

    Seriously, the guy needs to phone me for some simple pointers.

  47. Anthony

    Why are the Uni students attacking Abbott, Bishop and Mirabella and not storming the Nigerian Embassy about the actions of Boko Haram in abducting 250 student sisters?

  48. Arnost

    Joe was cool and calm. He knew his subject matter inside out. Well done Treasurer.

    If I was Joe I’d have said “ooh Tony – sorry mate – must have been a typo: that wasn’t a 1% cut to the ABC … That was 10%…. Sorry. What? Ooh that was 15%… Really? 20%. By they way have you heard of Fisky?”

  49. I’m heartbroken I can’t get a tv signal, and have to get by watching a ’67 Avengers series dvd.

    Habib, izzat the colour DVD, with Diana Rigg? *pant*pant*pant*

  50. JC

    Gab

    Bolt has it wrong. What he’s seeing is an honest to goodness cross section of punterland.

  51. Arnost

    Accusing questioners of being plants is a bad look even when it’s true.
    A question is a question.

    Even if it is a question obviously crafted to obfuscate – and an obvious attempt at a gotcha? He should have called him Wilma… OK OK you have a point. And why I said you needed to workshop stock answers…

  52. Arnost

    What the fuck is his trade?

    I hope it pays bloody well: the Internet is for ever. Hate to be in his position when that question is played in a job interview…

  53. nilk, iron bogan

    The tradie lives in Leichhardt.

  54. johanna

    Notafan
    #1311816, posted on May 19, 2014 at 11:03 pm

    I didn’t think you could even get Hecs to do a masters.

    I certainly had to pay up front for mine.

  55. Mon

    Treasurer Joe Hockey held his own amoung the ill-advised. I dare say they will keep repeating the rubbish of their questions. The answers would have passed them by.
    2% of people think, 3% of people think they think and 95% would not know how to think.

  56. Peewhit

    My dad and his mates spoke of educated idiots 50 years ago.

  57. Arnost

    It was Tony that was pushing for that question to be asked over and over again. He wanted Joe to say something that will allow him to accuse him of breaking the no new tax promise…

    And here is the headline:

    Joe Hockey admits copayment is a tax

    And hence another broken promise.

  58. Robert Crew

    What a sad fucking country this has become if those Free Stuff questions are representative of punterland.

    I knew Mitt Romney had lost the US election when he said “If you want free stuff, that you don’t have to pay for, vote for the other guy”, because most people do want free stuff.

    2) As for the tradie, the answer is: don’t be an entry-level labourer your whole life, consume less than you earn, save and invest in your own skills and education, and improve your life. It’s not rocket science, it’s how ordinary people have always gotten ahead. Newstart is temporary support to stop you from starving, not to “maintain your lifestyle” or your mortgage. If times are that tough, sell your house and move back with your parents or rent a granny-flat; don’t expect someone else to pay the bills for the McMansion you can no longer afford.

    3) One thing that hasn’t been raised with HECS, I believe it is unique in that almost every other payment/repayment phases in or out. If you go $1 over the HECS threshold you pay 2% of gross income which can be a terrible, unexpected impost if you are earning right on the edge of the threshold. It can easily be worth taking a week of unpaid leave to stay under the threshold, and I used to routinely knock back overtime because a few dollars extra in one pay packet wasn’t worth thousands of dollars in extra tax at the end of the financial year.

  59. Tracey

    When I saw that Joe was the sole guest sacrificial lamb tonight, I couldn’t face it live. I recorded it so I could pause when the urge for violence threatened to overwhelm me.
    Thank you to those Cats who went the distance; you are champions.

    When Rochelle was reaching her $63 horror crescendo (for a total of 9 appointments) , I almost lost it. I can’t remember the last time I went to a GP and didn’t pay at least that much. That’s for ONE 10 minute appointment for ONE person, Rochelle.

  60. egg_

    Joe was the sole guest sacrificial lamb tonight

    Staples certainly took one for the team tonight – right in the guts.

  61. johanna

    $63 for saving her children’s lives.

    Decisions, decisions.

  62. Generic Person

    I was expecting Hockey to crash and burn, but he got through unscathed.

    I echo others’ comments here in that I was disappointed with the entitlement culture laid bare for all to see on national TV. It’s downright disgusting. We’ll end up like some European basket case if we don’t do something about it.

  63. Squirrel

    “Generic Person

    #1311894, posted on May 20, 2014 at 12:49 am

    I was expecting Hockey to crash and burn, but he got through unscathed.

    I echo others’ comments here in that I was disappointed with the entitlement culture laid bare for all to see on national TV. It’s downright disgusting. We’ll end up like some European basket case if we don’t do something about it.”

    Yes, and it was good to see him fighting back a bit, particularly in the latter stages – there should be much more of that – towards the more over-the-top questions/comments, and likewise towards the beloved host of Q&A. It would be utterly exhilarating to hear a senior politician take on a crowd like that and say – in as many words – “look, people, either we clean up the mess, or the international markets do it for us, and the latter will not be pretty – which would you prefer?” I doubt very much whether the gnomes of Zurich et.al will be taking much notice of angry tweets from Aussie gravy-trainers.

    Still, I am feeling somewhat depleted after such an orgy righteous entitlement – I think I need to revisit House of Cards, just to remind me of how Francis Urquhart would have dealt with the such lamentations.

  64. Generic Person

    @Squirrel

    As FU would say: it’s time to put a bit of a stick about.

  65. CatAttack

    I think all in all Hockey handled himself very well just wish they didn’t gave to explain away a bloody lie.

    As an aside I wonder how many random questioners on Q&A are plants from the producers to “spice” things up. Oh here’s a question from a man employed by a Labor MP and wait one from the local organiser of the Nurses Union.

  66. Andrew

    If I lose my job, who will pay my mortgage?

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

    Do people really think like this?

  67. Juliet of Penrith

    If the mother of three laid off the snacks she might find she had the $7 left for the doctor

  68. nilk, iron bogan

    Andrew, yes they do.

  69. whyisitso

    I knew Mitt Romney had lost the US election when he said “If you want free stuff, that you don’t have to pay for, vote for the other guy”, because most people do want free stuff.

    The quote of the thread. Thanks Squirrel. There are still the occasional sensible comments on this blog.

  70. Rabz

    Thanks Squirrel.

    You really have lost it. The squirrel did not make that comment.

  71. Notafan

    Speaking to a ‘ New Australian ‘ from an Asian background who watched Q&A, hmm let’s just say there wasn’t a lot of sympathy for the ‘give me free stuff ‘ people.

  72. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    We need old time politicians like Sir Henry Bolte,can you imagine him going on QA ? Can you imagine him cutting the communist alpbc by a mere 1per cent? Can you imagine him NOT taking advantage of the lastkrud giLIARd fiasco? Can you imagine him even trying to carry out the booby trap spending of that dysfuctional mob of union maggits inthe alp? I remember the communist teachers marching back and foth in front of parliament,”they can march till they wear thier boots out ” .he would never give in to communist minorities,Abbott ,read his life stoty ,you might learn something!

  73. stackja

    Dr.Sir Fred Lenin
    #1312192, posted on May 20, 2014 at 11:10 am
    We need old time politicians

    We need old time politics. But the ALP/MSM like the ‘new’ politics.

  74. Cheryl

    I’m watching the repeat at the moment. Can someone tell me if the co payment capped at 10 visits for under 16 year old kids, includes blood tests?

  75. AndrewWA

    Sorry…been a bit pre-oocupied but have just watched Q&A.

    Impressive effort by Joe Hockey.

    Tony Jones just keeps being himself – a complete Labor sycophant and apologist.

  76. Shauno

    I didnt watch it cant stand it but good that people here do it for us we should probably pay them for doing it. Good that Joe handled it well.

    Any one see this from Time Blair haha.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/greatest_dane/

  77. Papachango

    Impressive effort by Joe Hockey.

    Indeed. He put in an awesome performance with a completely hostile crowd. The way he handled the guy with the 20+ disabilities who was completely wrong about his Medicare entitlements was masterful.

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