Welcome to the United States

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I read the brief rap on this story, Actor Alec Baldwin arrested after riding bike wrong way, and thought typical arrogance, right down to the “don’t you know who I am?” business. But then I read the actual sequence of events, which included his arrest because he did not have identification with him as he was doing what everyone who rides a bike has done at some point in their lives. And who wouldn’t have been irritated. Read it.

Actor Alec Baldwin was arrested Tuesday and issued two summonses — one for disorderly conduct — after riding a bicycle the wrong way on a New York street, police said.

The “30 Rock” star allegedly became angry and started yelling at police after they asked him for identification to give him a summons, police said. The other summons was for riding a bike against the flow of traffic. Baldwin is to appear in court July 24.

“Police stated that he got belligerent and started arguing with them and using profanity,” Deputy Chief Kim Y. Royster said.

Baldwin was not carrying identification and police took him into custody, police said.

The actor reportedly became angry at the officers, yelling “Give me the summons already,” a law enforcement official said.

After his release, Baldwin took to Twitter, posting the badge number of the officer he said arrested him and saying, “photographers outside my home ONCE AGAIN terrified my daughter and nearly hit her with a camera. The police did nothing.”

In another tweet, he lamented, “New York City is a mismanaged carnival of stupidity that is desperate for revenue and anxious to criminalize behavior once thought benign.”

Once in custody, Baldwin was taken to a nearby precinct, where he reportedly asked the desk supervisor: “How old are these officers, that they don’t know who I am?” according to a law enforcement official.

Baldwin was stopped for riding a bicycle the wrong way on Fifth Avenue and 16th Street, police said.

The only reason you might know that someone was arrested and handcuffed for riding a bike on the wrong side of the street is because it is Alex Baldwin. This story could not happen in any other country in the world. This is definitely an “only in America” story. Can you actually disagree with him where he wrote, “New York City is a mismanaged carnival of stupidity that is desperate for revenue and anxious to criminalize behavior once thought benign.”

America is in a very dangerous place.

alex baldwin in handcuffs

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148 Responses to Welcome to the United States

  1. whyisitso

    This attitood of “Don’t you know who I am” is the height of arrogance. I have zero sympathy.

  2. candy

    Some arrogance perhaps, but handcuffs? That’s crazy stuff unless he was substance abusing and needing restraining.

  3. JC

    Steve

    I’m not buying this story according to how Baldwin describes it. I’m pretty sure the cops saw him riding his bike the wrong way and asked him to stop. I’m pretty sure they would have given him a warning under normal circumstances. But Baldwin being Baldwin would have been rude to them and aggravated the situation even more. No doubt the cops are dicks, but so is he.

  4. calli

    Just one question…do you have to carry identification papers in NYC?

    Oh, and I suspect the officers knew exactly who they’d cuffed.

  5. David

    Oh, and I suspect the officers knew exactly who they’d cuffed

    You may or may not be right Calli. I’d never heard of Baldwin until I read this bit of the Cat. Is that an age thing on my part or is he just begging for non-recognition due to being unimportant except in his own mind?

    SWMBO and I spent the first ten days of March last year in NY and on the occasions I asked the NYPD people for directions and advice found them most helpful.

  6. Only in America? You’re kidding, right? You’re out of touch, Steve – this sort of shit is happening everywhere.

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ah, a lefty discovers that the gentle cuffs of Big Brother’s enlightened dictatorship chafe, does he?

    Suck on it Alec, you are one of the people who brought this on us all.

  8. I’m not sure which is the stupidest:
    1/. Expecting a cyclist to be carrying identification, or
    2/. Handcuffing someone for a bicycling infringement.

    What a bunch of doofii. Handcuffing is only for the most serious of crimes (murder, armed robb & the like) or an arrestee who becomes violent (and that means “violent”, not giving the forks & expressing vehement dismay at being arrested).

    The USA is fuked.

  9. JC

    Times have changed Fleeced. I used walk red lights right in front of NYC cops and they wouldn’t bat an eyelid. I also used to honk at the fuckers if they were in a lane ahead of me and traveling too slow.

  10. JC

    Just one question…do you have to carry identification papers in NYC?

    No of course not. Baldwin was just being a rude bastard and the pricks got back at him. I think, unless I’m mistaken, the cops can apprehend you if they are unable to ascertain ID and the person has committed a crime of some sort. But on the whole… but this is going back a decade… cops were pretty reasonable in NYC from my limited dealings with them. They weren’t arseholes for the most part. Perhaps times have changed.

  11. calli

    I was being snarky about the i d, JC. Land of the free and all.

    As for him being a lefty, tough. Maybe he’ll rethink, but I doubt it.

    For those who don’t know who AB is, Steve Martin could probably provide some identifying features.

  12. fry

    New York cops, it takes a bit to set them off

    If Alec was doing something that might endanger people or screw up traffic (not tolerated in NYC) they would have pulled him up, then if he gave them grief, then it would be game on.

    They are generally not heavy handed as this alludes to.

    They will warn you while letting you know escalation immediately is an available option.

    Once provoked and in motion, the NYPD is a juggernaut.

    They take no shyte, and traffic problems echo crosstown quickly, they stop it from happening, its their job.

  13. ar

    Zero tolerance has worked so well it has now moved in to the negatives…

  14. I suppose the same is true in the US as in Oz:-
    Most people who are locked up get locked up by talking their way into it.

  15. Grigory M

    America is in a very dangerous place.

    The good thing is – there’s only one Alec Baldwin there. What a clown.

  16. Infidel Tiger

    At least he didn’t call them fags.

    America is a fascist shithole.

  17. JC

    Fry

    Take a good look at the street. It’s a one way, which most likely means it’s a cross town street without much direct impact on the main avenues.

    Baldwin was being a dick, that’s all.

  18. David

    IT is there anywhere on this earth you approve of?

    I’m planning my next trip and it would be interesting to review your non-shithole list.

    :-)

  19. calli

    Baldwin was being a dick, that’s all.

    So you did watch the little fillum! :)

  20. Clam Chowdah

    This attitood of “Don’t you know who I am” is the height of arrogance. I have zero sympathy.

    Well indeed. But he was handcuffed and arrested for doing something that should have gotten him a warning, AT MOST.

    He has my sympathy, even if he is a loudmouth leftwing luvvie.

  21. Clam Chowdah

    I wonder if he would have got the entire hassle if the cops had been two guys instead of a couple of fat-ass bichez on a power trip.

  22. Mater

    They take no shyte, and traffic problems echo crosstown quickly, they stop it from happening, its their job.

    Agreed. However, have a look at the photo. I doubt they actually improved the traffic conditions.

  23. Infidel Tiger

    IT is there anywhere on this earth you approve of?

    Not that I’m aware of.

    I do love New York, but it did give us Bloomberg. He’s Roxon on steroids.

  24. JC

    Cali

    Thanks, I just watched the vid. It’s ambiguous as where he was caught… if in fact it was 16th street or 5th ave.

    If the fucker was caught riding his bike the opposite way on 5th ave as the talking head suggests, is then belligerent with the cops he deserved what he got. If it was 16th street then not so much.

  25. Infidel Tiger

    Texas could be the greatest place on earth, but those cowboys and bible bashers have a queer dislike of games of chance.

  26. David

    Not that I’m aware of

    Thanks IT I”ll just have to take my chances then.

  27. David

    but those cowboys and bible bashers have a queer dislike of games of chance.

    They love them in Illinois. Back in ’87 I taught some of my uniformed ‘merican associates how to play two up and they loved it – though they weren’t all that keen on getting taken to the cleaners.

  28. caveman

    Ridden down 5th Ave with my brother on borrowed hotel bikes , went through red lights and just smoked it all the way back to SoHo. NYC is a big city the people are OK. Alec Who Makes a good TMZ story.

  29. Robert Crew

    Three years ago my cousin was mugged in Berlin. The next day he was walking to work, and was asked “ihre papiere bitte”, and because he had no ID was handcuffed, spent the night in jail, paid a hefty fine, and lost his job. If you drive a car here, it’s the same – you can’t just present ID the next day at a police station like you used to, and police are trialling mobile fingerprint technology for foot patrols. Alec Baldwin gets attention, no matter how undeserved, and would make a good water-cooler way to talk about over-government.

  30. Craig Mc

    “Victoria is a mismanaged carnival of stupidity that is desperate for revenue and anxious to criminalise behaviour once thought benign.”

    EFA.

  31. JC

    Ridden down 5th Ave with my brother on borrowed hotel bikes , went through red lights and just smoked it all the way back to SoHo. NYC is a big city the people are OK. Alec Who Makes a good TMZ story.

    A NYC cop once had the temerity to ask me (yell) where was my riding helmet. I just gave him the middle finger and rode on.

  32. Rabz

    A couple of people have touched on this above – and someone made a similar point several days ago, when this incident happened.

    Fuckwits like Baldwin have been screaming for big, stupid intrusive government for decades.

    Well guess what, dickheads – you got it.

    So shut the fuck up and quit your hypocritical whining.

    Zero sympathy, indeed.

  33. Tel

    Texas could be the greatest place on earth, but those cowboys and bible bashers have a queer dislike of games of chance.

    Probably Texas will be one of the last dominoes to fall.

    In terms of economic growth it is doing a bit better than NYC. Texas is facing a bit of a refugee problem as people escape from California, not sure how they are going to handle that. If I had no other choice than to visit the USA, I’d choose Texas, and then I’d be really polite to everyone because they are armed to the teeth.

  34. Tel

    He has my sympathy, even if he is a loudmouth leftwing luvvie.

    He has my sympathy too, but God I hope he learns something.

  35. boy on a bike

    He’s a rich, white, middle aged hetero male. Of course he is screwed. He should have checked his privilege first. He’s an actor – couldn’t he have acted gay and disabled? Or gone all “Tropic Thunder” and pretended to be black as well?

  36. thefrollickingmole

    Ok Ill make a bet.
    Despite NY being under Bloomberg/lefty control for a decade or more, Baldwin still blame this on the “right”.

  37. Fuckwits like Baldwin have been screaming for big, stupid intrusive government for decades.
    Well guess what, dickheads – you got it.

    Sucked in Baldwin.

  38. mundi

    Different parts of america are very different, due to the nature of local municipals controlling the police.

    On a road trip recently we had this map holder on the roof of the car and kept driving off with the map left on the roof. In new hampshire a cop waved me down and then asked if I needed help. In NY when the same thing happened the US citizen I was with who was driving at the time as fined for $500 US for “unsecured load”.

    The NH cop looked like a canadian mountie btw, just blue instead of red.

  39. Rabz

    Or gone all “Tropic Thunder” and pretended to be black as well?

    Now that would have been worth the price of admission!

  40. The NH cop looked like a canadian mountie btw, just blue instead of red.

    From memory New Hampshire is as sane as other parts of the US are loopy.

  41. The NH cop looked like a canadian mountie btw, just blue instead of red.

    Glad someone does, coz actual Canadian mounties these days look like belligerent NSW motorcycle traffic cops.

  42. .

    New Hampshire is a bastion of freedom and civility.

    Rabz – it was me, I’m sure.

  43. Clam Chowdah

    They love them in Illinois. Back in ’87 I taught some of my uniformed ‘merican associates how to play two up and they loved it – though they weren’t all that keen on getting taken to the cleaners.

    Unless you cheat, it’s a skill-less even proposition. I could never see the appeal. The odds are better than pokies, the money wheel or roulette, I suppose.

  44. mundi

    NH is funny, I walked straight into the NH state house, and a lady let me walk around the chambers and take photos of everything. No ID, nothing, no security, no metal detectors. Just walking through the room where the senate meets and into their offices, they didn’t give two shits, several senates actually came up and talked to us.

    Meanwhile in NY, you can’t even get on a ferry without being patted down and put through an explosives detector.

  45. nerblnob

    criminalize behavior once thought benign

    Like that doesn’t happen in Australia?
    Riding a bicycle without a helmet?
    Going a few km over the limit?

  46. Des Deskperson

    My impression of the NYPD, apart from its ubiquity on the streets, was its torpor.

    Trying to report a serious fraud a few years ago, I was shunted from cop to cop until I finally ended up in the Midtown North Precinct building, a vaguely art deco concrete lump surrounded by weeds and cracked paving on West 54th.

    Confronted by a huge and grubby African American woman who I think was some sort of auxiliary or clerk, I was required to enter my name and complaint into a huge Dickensian ledger and then sent to a battered and overheated waiting area crowded with bums of various sorts. Across the middle of this area was one of those thigh-high wooden fences with a gate in it like you see in old courtroom movies and on the other side were more female Afro American bloats at old desks without, as far as I could tell, any computers.

    I waited for 40 minutes and nothing happened, there was no movement on either side of the fence; I gave up.

  47. If a few more lefties got caught up in shit like this, you’d think it could do some good in reversing the trend.

    Alas, the cops seem to be getting worse in Australia as well as the US.

    In the US, they seem to be militarizing the shit out of everything (in Australia, they just took our guns instead – that was easier)

  48. C.L.

    Baldwin is a douchebag but Steve is right.

    That’s not the point.

    America is a fascist toilet and their police are particularly crazy.

    They’re criminals, basically. Thugs.

  49. C.L.

    It’s notable too that the two police officers pictured are black women. Getting their revenge on whitey, possibly, but also escalating because their feminist pride is so easily hurt.

  50. JC

    Des

    I can’t recall what it was, but I had to get something signed by the cops. The cost was about 20 bucks or so. It was something to do with a greencard application i think. They wouldn’t take cash and it had to be a cashiers cheque. I explained to the fucker that it was illegal not to accept cash and in fact violated federal law. The fucker turned around and said… sue us then. That was a cop!

  51. Demosthenes

    New York City is a mismanaged carnival of stupidity that is desperate for revenue

    That explains all the crackdowns (a recent 2-day blitz on “distracted driving” yielded 5,258 tickets), and the high fines (up to $600).

  52. Big Jim

    “It’s notable too that the two police officers pictured are black women. Getting their revenge on whitey, possibly, but also escalating because their feminist pride is so easily hurt.”

    Exactly. Now try explain that to JC who still thinks NY cops are stand up guys from Queens called Morty and Sean. Autism, I would think, is the problem. Solipsism, if you want get more philosophical.

  53. JABL

    Are Libertarians becoming like the palestinians? Never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity? Baldwin has a brother who is pretty well aligned. Instead of spitting on a man fallen on the road should we not, as the samaritan, instead tend to our brothers (ideological) wounds?

    A(nother) Baldwin turned to our side could only be for the good.

  54. You’re righft JABL, but I think it’ll take a few more instances of being handcuffed and perp-walked for chewing gum while crossing the road (or somesuch) before Baldwin will be ready to see the light.

  55. Pedro the Ignorant

    You would be very well advised to carry appropriate ID anywhere in the US, but especially in the NE states and California regardless of circumstances or activity.

    If you don’t, then drawn pistols, handcuffs, disgustingly filthy police station holding cells (aka “tanks”)and close proximity to a vast number of seriously weird and obnoxious fellow prisoners will loom large in your immediate future.

    Of course, this is in the land of the free, not fascists at all, of course not.

  56. Nanuestalker

    I’m not buying this story according to how Baldwin describes it. I’m pretty sure the cops saw him riding his bike the wrong way and asked him to stop. I’m pretty sure they would have given him a warning under normal circumstances. But Baldwin being Baldwin would have been rude to them and aggravated the situation even more. No doubt the cops are dicks, but so is he.

    Duh!… Thats his [Baldwin] point! Baldwin was perp-walked because he is Baldwin. He would never have been afforded the same discretion that you or I would recieve as the cop would have know that their every move was being recorded.
    That being said Baldwin needs to adapt to his B-grade celebrity and get over himself which I’m suspicious he has and is maximising this for coin interviews!

  57. Nanuestalker

    That’s (before the grammar girl who has great taste in men, Irish of course comes all over me)

  58. Nanuestalker

    F**K …bad turn of phrase!!!!!

  59. JC

    Exactly. Now try explain that to JC who still thinks NY cops are stand up guys from Queens called Morty and Sean.

    Look, in 16 years I never really had a problem with cops. Even walking though red lights they never stopped me. NYC cops are generally okay as far as cops go, or at least were then.

  60. Chris

    Times have changed Fleeced. I used walk red lights right in front of NYC cops and they wouldn’t bat an eyelid. I also used to honk at the fuckers if they were in a lane ahead of me and traveling too slow.

    The only place in the world I have been pulled up by police for jaywalking is in the US (Colorado). It was a low-risk situation (suburbs) just near a fair and the police were quite aggressive about it all (eg not a friendly “please don’t do that” kind of warning – felt more like like “go back or we’re going to shoot you warning”).

  61. squawkbox

    The only place in the world I’ve been pulled up for jaywalking is Adelaide. If Australia is, as IT says, an irredeemable toilet, then Adelaide is is undoubtedly its most suspicious brown stain.

  62. DB

    Land of the brave and home of the free?

  63. Yobbo

    Are Libertarians becoming like the palestinians? Never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity? Baldwin has a brother who is pretty well aligned.

    If mean Adam Baldwin (Jayne from Firefly), he is no relation to Alec.

  64. JC

    No, there are two three other bros, Yobbo. I think two are Republicans. One of them is a freaking loon though, so he doesn’t count. They hail from Lonc Island, so enough said.

  65. Yobbo

    Of the actual Baldwins, only Stephen is a republican AFAIK. And he’s a Christian fundamentalist loon.

    Adam Baldwin (Animal Mother in FMJ and Jayne from Firefly) is a libertarian and has written a number of politican op-eds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Baldwin

    He is no relation to the other 4 though.

  66. Baldrick

    Two words which could have saved Baldwin a lot of heartache … attitude test. He obviously failed.
    Besides, Baldwin is a luvvie Democrat and Democrats love nothing more than Big Government controlling every aspect of their other peoples lives.
    Suck it up big fella.

  67. Mike a.

    Ive seen jay walkers arrested in Germany. There it seemed like it was quite a normal thing to do. To fine people for that.

  68. This story could not happen in any other country in the world.

    It could happen in Meercat Manor* where you can be arrested for riding a motorcycle whilst wearing club colours.

    *Campbell Newman’s Queensland – he has an uncanny resemblance to one of these critters.

  69. AndrewWA

    Sorry..Alex deserved all that he got as the police were probably as tired as cyclists as the rest of us.

    Ignoring red lights, riding on footpaths, no helmet, no lights after dark, groups filling entire lanes at 20kmph when the speed limit is 60kmph, etc etc

    Number plates or some other form of ID and registration so that law breakers can be held to account.

  70. fry

    America this that and the other

    They still rule the world and could kick anyone’s ass if they felt like it

    Obama will move on, the Americans are not done yet

  71. Major Elvis Newton

    I could care less about Alec Baldwin, but if you are going to break the law by riding a bicycle the wrong way down a one way street you deserve to be booked.

    Thankfully, the same law applies in Australia too.

  72. johninoxley

    David, go to Japan, great for the head and heart. Ride your bike any way you like without a helmet. No cyclists being run over, no pedestrians being run into. Everyone has an appreciation of space (except my wife).

  73. Paul

    “It’s notable too that the two police officers pictured are black women. Getting their revenge on whitey, possibly,”

    This happens over there more than one is allowed to notice

  74. struth

    Really the only difference between Australia and New York with this situation is that in Australia, he would have also been done for not wearing a helmet.

  75. .

    That’s right Yobbo, Stephen Baldwin and Kirk Cameron are always good for a giggle.

  76. .

    Well. Tell me you wouldn’t have laughed:

    In 1994, Cameron starred in a WB sitcom, “Kirk,” which lasted only two years. Cameron helped to convert “Charles in Charge” star, Scott Baio — who was a frequent director of the series — to Christianity during that period. Baio, his “Charles in Charge” co-star, Willie Aames (also an evangelical Christian) and Cameron pitched an idea for a sitcom to ABC about three down-on-their-luck roommates — a gay man on public assistance, a drug addict, and a environmentalist free-spirit — who straightened out their lives after a religious awakening. According to Cameron, the network “laughed in their face.”

    Remember it was meant to be a sit-com.

  77. Bruce

    Well done those Cops! And as far as “don’t you know I am? ” is concerned,the appropriate response was, ” Yes you’re the fucking dickhead who was riding your bike into oncoming traffic but now I will have your name so I can issue a breach notice ,your alternative is to refuse and be arrested.What will it be dickhead? “

  78. rafiki

    “he was doing what everyone who rides a bike has done at some point in their lives”.

    Maybe, but how does this warrant dispensation of the law at the discretion of the police? This notion is fundamentally opposed to the rule of law and hardly a credible libertarian position.

    And has Steve taken into account the danger to pedestrians involved in riding in this manner? If it’s OK for bikes, why not cars?
    There is also the point that the no-tolerance for low-level crimes creates an atmosphere that is intolerant of any criminal behaviour. I understand that this policy has made NYC a much safer place.

  79. .

    I agree with rafiki.

    Actually I disagree with Bruce.

    I a free society, no one would be charged or even pulled over (only a cyclist), but those driving correctly would not be liable for hitting idiots ignoring signs.

  80. Max

    America is in a very dangerous place.

    it starts with the media.

    Sarah Palins personal history and family were under the worst possible attack and yet Hilary Clintons was off limits to any media discussion.

    This needs to change. The public need a real “media watch”.

  81. EB

    It’s weird how many people here love the jackboot here as long as it’s pressed against the throat of someone they don’t like.

  82. Max

    This happens over there more than one is allowed to notice

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbuGEYg7CC8

    White Girl Bleed a Lot: the return of racial violence and how the media ignore it. More than 500 examples of Black mob violence in more than 90 cities.

    “Reading Colin Flaherty’s book made painfully clear to me that the magnitude of this problem is even greater than I had discovered from my own research. He documents both the race riots and the media and political evasions in dozens of cities across America.”
    Thomas Sowell
    National Review

  83. Pete D

    I’ve had two relatives visit the good ol’ US of A on two different occasions in the last 5 years or so. After listening to their respective ‘stories’ about their trips I can only agree with (most of) the closing para of this story; “America is (in) a very dangerous place.”. To hell with Baldwin, who cares. One thing for sure; I won’t be wasting my $$ on a trip there.

  84. Infidel Tiger

    America is perfectly safe. Far safer than Australia.

    Just use common sense. Stay away from areas where black people congregate. Same rules as Australia.

  85. Bruce

    Geez don’t get me wrong EB,I just love the lycra-loons posing around on a Sunday morning at the local coffee shop,they even come to strike a pose when it’s raining although I notice their conveyance often arrives in the back of a van. But y’know, EB,each July I get a pink-slip from the local mechanic so as to get the Clubsport registered and he loves taking it for a fast lap of the block with his little brake testing machine which prints out a reading for the benefit of the RMS. Now I’ve noticed that lycra-loons don’t have this kind of test but regularly seem to manage up to 40kph, so strictly in the interests of road safety when I find one or more of these fools drafting behind me I brake test them.Interesting!

  86. Sorry..Alex deserved all that he got as the police were probably as tired as cyclists as the rest of us.

    Ignoring red lights, riding on footpaths, no helmet, no lights after dark, groups filling entire lanes at 20kmph when the speed limit is 60kmph, etc etc

    Number plates or some other form of ID and registration so that law breakers can be held to account.

    What Andrew of WA said.
    +1000

  87. Infidel Tiger

    It’s weird how many people here love the jackboot here as long as it’s pressed against the throat of someone they don’t like.

    Unfortunately we have to put up with a lot of big government conservatives here these days.

    They usually come out of the woodwork to support police brutality and protectionism.

  88. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    I think baldwin is up himself like most pretenders(actors) .and gave the coos lip,wasnt he carrying a wallet!mist people do,it could be just attention deficit,a cpmmon disease in actors and failed politicians.
    As for the handcuffs,if I were aprehending someone in a country awash with guns ,that would be a good idea!

  89. Yobbo

    America is perfectly safe. Far safer than Australia.

    Just use common sense. Stay away from areas where black people congregate. Same rules as Australia.

    People are killed by police on a regular basis in America. Many of them innocent. That doesn’t happen in Australia, or any other developed country.

  90. C.L.

    And right on cue:

    Iraq and Afghanistan veteran savagely beaten to death by California police for no front plate.

    Story/video.

  91. C.L.

    Reminds me of that pub brawl story from WA a few years ago.

    Police arrived and one of them tried to taser an old man.

    His son clocked the officer and a jury acquitted him.

    The officer was brain damaged and that is very unfortunate.

    Then again, he had no right to fucking electrocute somebody over a pissant pub fight.

  92. .

    Appalling stuff. Worse than Rodney King. Murder in company. They ought to be executed.

  93. Infidel Tiger

    People are killed by police on a regular basis in America. Many of them innocent. That doesn’t happen in Australia, or any other developed country.

    I dunno, the NSW police have recently murdered a Frenchman for dancing on a beach and a Brazilian for stealing some biscuits.

    But yes, the US is a fascist police state in many jurisdictions.

  94. .

    C.L.,

    You mean he was brain damaged before the incident? I understand.

    “Let’s subdue the oldest, weakest person here who is not threatening anyone”

  95. .

    Outside of NH, the US doesn’t seem very free.

    Besides small state’s state troopers, their police seem to be out of control and entirely unprofessional.

    I have nothing against professional law enforcement and peace officers rigorously enforcing even harsh (if appropriate and proportionate) laws against crimes against the person and property.

    Murdering someone in company over a misdemeanor offence ought to carry the death sentence.

  96. C.L.

    Following the WA acquittal, 60 Minutes did a story on the officer’s new, disabled life.

    The then WA police and justice ministers condemned the jury and floated the possibility of Doing Something to stop juries returning such verdicts.

  97. Infidel Tiger

    Instapundit has disturbing stories on US cops everyday. They are complete whackos.

  98. This will be the video of the incident CL refers to. I struggle with the jury’s verdict. I feel for the copper who was left with brain damage as a result.
    Were I on the jury I’d have considered it justified had the coppers shot the bastards dead instead of trying to arrest them, never mind tasering a few.

  99. .

    Jury nullification ought to be a sacred right like free speech and the right to self defence and the castle doctrine.

    That man was acting in the defence of the life and liberty of others (part of our ancient right to self defence). Tasering an old man was over the top, would have been excessive force and would have been assault, not the normal execution of law enforcement with reasonable force to reestablish the Queen’s peace.

  100. Yobbo

    The officer was brain damaged and that is very unfortunate.

    Then again, he had no right to fucking electrocute somebody over a pissant pub fight.

    That cop got what he deserved. The kids warned him before he did it that the old man had a heart condition. He tasered him anyway despite him posing no threat. The police in WA went fucking apeshit when they got off.

  101. The then WA police and justice ministers condemned the jury and floated the possibility of Doing Something to stop juries returning such verdicts.

    Not just the police & government, there was a public outcry, public rallies etc. There were changes to the law. Entirey justified.
    Thugs got away with a brutal assault and left a b
    bloke brain damaged. They deserve more than the law will ever be able to do to them.
    Medieval punishments are fitting for in such cases.

  102. Infidel Tiger

    This will be the video of the incident CL refers to. I struggle with the jury’s verdict. I feel for the copper who was left with brain damage as a result.

    The family who assaulted him are known thugs with criminal records a mile long.

  103. Then again, he had no right to fucking electrocute somebody over a pissant pub fight.

    When the coppers turn up the thing to do is to put your hands in the air and comply.
    There is no “right” to fight back.

  104. .

    No, you’re wrong.

    You DO NOT fuck about with shit like unanimous jury verdicts, the right to silence, presumption of innocence or jury nullification.

    I’ve been on a jury in a district court criminal case.

    We found the accused guilty 12-0 on the first charge. We couldn’t reach a unanimous verdict on the secondary charges. We unanimously decided to sink those 0-12 if we could only get a majority guilty verdict. Fortunately for the prosecution, we eventually settled 12-0 on the second charge (making the 3rd charge in the alternative void).

    As was our sacred right to scuttle such a charge. None of us had any respect for the modern meddling in an ancient system our dads and granddads shed their own blood or killed people to preserve.

  105. .

    Well yes you’re right you have to do as you’re told – there is no choice when the police enforce provisions under the liquor act etc. The cop could have put the taser away and done his job physically affecting an arrest or enforcing a move on command otherwise.

  106. Rabz

    Instapundit has disturbing stories on US cops everyday.

    Remember those fascist morons in the US who had the involuntary enemas administered to guy “who appeared to be clenching his buttocks” and the cops assumed he was hiding drugs up his bum?

    I should chase that case up and see what’s transpired since.

  107. Yobbo

    SATP loves a man in uniform.

  108. harrys on the boat

    I’ll concur with IT. I vaguely know the bloke who belted the copper. A complete fucking scumbag.

  109. Yobbo

    He didn’t belt him, he tackled him. The copper hit his head on the ground.

  110. Yobbo

    (Because he was so busy trying to Taser an old man that he forgot to check where the younger, stronger men were. One was behind him.)

  111. Being handy to the courthouse we get to hear lots of jury tales from freshly discharged jurors.
    The reasoning skills/methodology of the juror (and their fellow jurors) scare the hell out of me.
    Being tried by jury would often be just like being tried by a dozen Jacquie Lambies.

  112. The cops should have shot them all, instead of bothering with scrapping with them. If people can’t behave peaceably, they are fair game.

  113. Yobbo

    You’re an authoritarian cocksucker, Steve.

  114. Because he was so busy trying to Taser an old man that he forgot to check where the younger, stronger men were. One was behind him

    Don’t want to get tasered?
    Don’t start pub blues, and don’t arc up when the coppers turn up.
    Simple.

  115. Yobbo
    #1313759, posted on May 21, 2014 at 1:15 pm
    You’re an authoritarian cocksucker, Steve.

    I don’t know who put sand in your tampax Yobbo, and I don’t care. But its a good thing you’ve left the country, we need less people like you.

  116. .

    Steve at the Pub
    #1313756, posted on May 21, 2014 at 1:13 pm
    Being handy to the courthouse we get to hear lots of jury tales from freshly discharged jurors.
    The reasoning skills/methodology of the juror (and their fellow jurors) scare the hell out of me.
    Being tried by jury would often be just like being tried by a dozen Jacquie Lambies.

    I am a very educated person (compared to the general public) and I was utterly impressed by my fellow jurors, who came from a very diverse number of backgrounds. Pretty much everyone in the community was represented.

    Their reasoning was sound, they were fair and they considered the legal arguments the judge summarised for us as well as the evidence and credibility of witnesses and even the counsels etc.

    You should respect the common man even if he is inarticulate, until he starts spouting conspiracy theories or political memes from FaceBook.

    You are just wrong about this. I am more worried about elections than jury trials.

  117. harrys on the boat

    I don’t care if he vigorously fellated him, Yobbo. He is a complete fucking scumbag. To me its a bad example of police brutality to bring up. Don’t get me wrong the police showed themselves to be incompetent, but the victims weren’t victims.

  118. .

    Steve at the Pub
    #1313757, posted on May 21, 2014 at 1:15 pm
    The cops should have shot them all, instead of bothering with scrapping with them. If people can’t behave peaceably, they are fair game.

    Come on mate, YAWTBM trolls better than this.

    As for tasering – no. The cops need justification. They ought to try to affect an arrest or enforce a move on order by physical intervention first. There is no right to taser uncompliant people. This is excessive force.

  119. John

    Steve at the Pub: “From memory New Hampshire is as sane as other parts of the US are loopy.”

    I wouldn’t be so sure about NH .
    And in general the police in America is out of control.

  120. .

    Simply shocking.

    To get thrown out would be one thing. To be arrested – oh my god.

    What a disgusting fascist shithole. It has even infected NH.

  121. .

    That Steyn article is simply mind blowing.

    Mind blowing.

  122. You are just wrong about this. I am more worried about elections than jury trials.

    Your sample size is one jury. I’m quoting from every jury in my town that has had a midday drinker in it.
    I’m happy to be tried by 12 of my peers, not by 12 left-wing nutters for whom politics or a personal crusade overrides justice.
    Prepared to be tried by 12 Socialist Alternative uni rabble rousers, on a charge of thumping a shoplifter?

  123. C.L.

    If people can’t behave peaceably, they are fair game.

    Precisely what the WA jury decided.

  124. egg_

    “The NH cop looked like a canadian mountie btw, just blue instead of red.”

    Whilst working (/training in upper Massachusetts) folk would oft cross the border to Salem NH for shopping (less sales tax); whilst at the Outback Diner in Methuen, upper MA, police and paramedics assisted a patron who fell off their bar stool* (after they were called, I kid you not) so a buddy and I got our photos taken with the cop car – by the cop! ;)

    *Definitely civilized first world.

  125. C.L.

    Steyn’s post on the police tasering, shooting and killing a 95 year-old WWII veteran for not taking his medication is … words fail.

  126. Steyn’s post on the police tasering, shooting and killing a 95 year-old WWII veteran for not taking his medication is … words fail.

    Were that my grandfather, those 7 cops would have a lifetime of looking over their shoulder ahead of them.

  127. twostix

    This will be the video of the incident CL refers to. I struggle with the jury’s verdict. I feel for the copper who was left with brain damage as a result.

    There’s two things that grabbed me in that video.
    1: The shortarse cop at 00:30 is of no consequence to the bigger guy he grabbed, who simply shrugged him off like a mosquito.
    and
    2: The fat dumpy female who I presume is a cop at 00:38…

    Fucking LOL. I bet the officer grappling and brawling on with three big guys while she was daintily dancing around the edge of the fray sure was pleased she was there all full of pop-culture enabled GrrrlPOWER!

  128. harrys on the boat

    The speed in which America followed Britain into the abyss is staggering. The sad thing is we’re watching Australia race there.

  129. Paul

    “People are killed by police on a regular basis in America. Many of them innocent. That doesn’t happen in Australia, or any other developed country.”

    A phenomenon that seems to be escalating over there. Its like they’ve been given the all clear.

  130. Paul

    “Fucking LOL. I bet the officer grappling and brawling on with three big guys while she was daintily dancing around the edge of the fray sure was pleased she was there all full of pop-culture enabled GrrrlPOWER!”

    Comment of the day.

  131. .

    Your sample size is one jury

    Yes, one actual jury.

  132. Your sample size is one jury

    Yes, one actual jury.

    I’ll see you and raise you a few.
    On top of all that, from time to time I accommodate sequestered juries. To generalise, juries are made up of dole recipients and retired goody-goody types. This is a flaw in the system.

  133. .

    If you know as much as you say, it appears to me that QLD has not properly educated jurors on how the Jury Act or local equivalent works!

  134. tomix

    The gummint/police/media don’t like it when they don’t get the jury verdict they’ve barracked for.
    The tactic in Qld is to find the most notorious case and use it to get the law changed so that they can keep retrying people until a guilty verdict is returned.

  135. Kaboom

    C.L.:

    I was not aware of the Wrana case.

    Shot 5 fucking times, with a shotgun (bean bag pellets, yeah!) at close range (< 8 feet) whilst sitting in his chair in the nursing home!

    At least one of the fuckers was charged!

    Absolutely unfucking believable…

    All of the rozzers should have been charged – what a disgrace. It is the incipient militarisation of the Plod, where suddenly they think they are Rambo or worse – I mean, you’ve just got to see what they have hanging of their “utility belts” on an operational basis.

    Well, maybe not Rambo, perhaps Batman?

    As regards juries, would you like your guilt or innocence determined by someone who is too stupid to be able to get out of jury duty, or otherwise is some busy-body who fortuitously has time to waste???

    The upside is the jury in WA was quite right, and it was a welcome and sensible decision – despite the familial antecedents of the defendant…

  136. twostix

    I mean, you’ve just got to see what they have hanging of their “utility belts” on an operational basis.

    At christmas time I drove down to Sydney and there was a grass fire or something and a patch of burned grass in the middle of the motorway. This occasioned the attendance of many police who slowed us all down to a crawl while they stood around and chatted. Amongst the group of cops standing around chatting, I noted that one of the tiny female officers (are they all tiny?) was swaggering around with a large glock strapped not to her waist, but to her thigh in a tactical thigh holster – military style. Which I understand is an option for NSW police now. It made her look particularly ridiculous as the gun was almost as big as her leg.

    We loled, which I suspect was not the intent.

  137. klayow

    Everyone is sick and tired of bike riders. If you drove a car on a road up the wrong way that is breaking the law and you would expect to be charged with an illegal offence. Bike riders use roads free of charge which are paid for and maintained by motor vehicle tax, they cycle irresponsibly, most don’t even know or understand the rules of the road for which a motorist has to spend arduous amount of time learning and passing a test, they do not obey the rules of the road, they do not carry insurance, their vehicle is not registered nor carries a number plate. They also create havoc on the road weaving in and out of traffic, and often ride on the pedestrian pathways. It is time the authorities passed legislation whereby EVERY cyclist carries individual insurance, every bicycle is registered with an appropriate traceable number plate, every cyclist wears a helmet (like motorists have to wear a seatbelt), cyclists must carry a certificate to state they have passed the rules of the road test, all cyclists must obey the rules of the road, and must cycle in single file at the edge of the road in the slow lane. Cyclists are causing so many accidents now not only to motorists but to pedestrians who suffer horrible injuries resulting from their illegal driving. Far from New York being a ‘mismanaged carnival of stupidity’ I would say New York , as a foreigner saying her for 2 months, and the police are very tolerant especially compared with the 60’s and 70’s when jaywalking, for instance, was a serious offence. If Alec Baldwin’s daughter had been hit by an idiot cyclist driving up a road the wrong way, the world would never hear the end of it and he would be berating the authorities and the police for not doing something about it. Grow up Baldwin….. obey the rules and if you don’t, stop being a crybaby and accept the consequences of your stupid actions.

  138. Pamela MacDonald

    Everyone is sick and tired of bike riders. If you drove a car on a road up the wrong way that is breaking the law and you would expect to be charged with an illegal offence. Bike riders use roads free of charge which are paid for and maintained by motor vehicle tax, they cycle irresponsibly, most don’t even know or understand the rules of the road for which a motorist has to spend arduous amount of time learning and passing a test, they do not obey the rules of the road, they do not carry insurance, their vehicle is not registered nor carries a number plate. They also create havoc on the road weaving in and out of traffic, and often ride on the pedestrian pathways. It is time the authorities passed legislation whereby EVERY cyclist carries individual insurance, every bicycle is registered with an appropriate traceable number plate, every cyclist wears a helmet (like motorists have to wear a seatbelt), cyclists must carry a certificate to state they have passed the rules of the road test, all cyclists must obey the rules of the road, and must cycle in single file at the edge of the road in the slow lane. Cyclists are causing so many accidents now not only to motorists but to pedestrians who suffer horrible injuries resulting from their illegal driving. Far from New York being a ‘mismanaged carnival of stupidity’ I would say New York , as a foreigner saying her for 2 months, and the police are very tolerant especially compared with the 60’s and 70’s when jaywalking, for instance, was a serious offence. If Alec Baldwin’s daughter had been hit by an idiot cyclist driving up a road the wrong way, the world would never hear the end of it and he would be berating the authorities and the police for not doing something about it. Grow up Baldwin….. obey the rules and if you don’t, stop being a crybaby and accept the consequences of your stupid actions.

  139. .

    It is time the authorities passed legislation whereby EVERY cyclist carries individual insurance, every bicycle is registered with an appropriate traceable number plate, every cyclist wears a helmet

    Why don’t you fuck off to North Korea?

  140. .

    cyclists must carry a certificate to state they have passed the rules of the road test, all cyclists must obey the rules of the road, and must cycle in single file at the edge of the road in the slow lane.

    By christ, there’s more!

    I mean this sincerely. I hope you never, ever get anywhere the levers of power.

    You are a dangerous, antisocial idiot.

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