The Green/ALP government lives on

Rio Tinto is to power a new bauxite mine in Queensland by solar. Well, that looks like a breakthough for an innovative entrepreneurial product. 

But wait! It turns out that the $23 million energy facility is supported by government funding of $11 million from the Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA).  The government wants to terminate this outfit but its Green/ALP predecessor placed booby traps to prevent this and installed the former CEO of WWF as its Chair to ensure it would continue its wasteful outlays. He is “angry” that the present government is trying to axe the $1.3 billion his wasteful agency was allocated by its Green/ALP predecessor. 

Apparently, however, ARENA, the $10 billion “Clean Energy Finance Corporation”, the farcical $400 million Carbon Storage and Capture spending were all very carefully sandbagged by the Gillard government.  According to the present government’s advice this makes it almost impossible to de-fund them or even to give directions on how the money can be spent (or saved). 

So, Labor has been able to ensure that a Coalition Government would continue to carry excess economic baggage that would help cripple its attempts to restore the economy.  And by negative campaigning they may return early to the Treasury Benches, which is far more important than the restoration of the economic mess their period of office created. 

For their part, the bien pensants in these agencies can continue their green odyssey and the fat cats staffing them can continue to traverse the world first class on massive salaries, happy to exploit the taxpayer to the maximum.

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111 Responses to The Green/ALP government lives on

  1. steve

    the problem here is that the conservatives are losing the public relations war.

    There are three aspects to it. One, asking people to vote privileges away is nigh impossible, two, the people are only seeing one side of the story due to the socialist media and three, the right are not as good at trench warfare (unfortunately).

  2. sabrina

    Rio Tinto was/is a strong supporter of CO2 capture and strorage domestically and internationally. They also commited a whopping (!) 6million over 3 years to the CO2 CRC which was largely taxpayer funded.

    As you rightly criticise the government of the day for wasteful decisions, also do the same for industry who are the beneficiaries of the taxpayer funds.

    Also Alan – it is not carbon capture, it is carbon dioxide capture.

  3. entropy

    Of course they aren’t as good at trench warfare. Because they refuse to recognise that the other side will hold no quarter.
    the left introduce an onerous regulation/ridiculous waste. The coalition get in, but just fiddle around the edges, but they do not get rid of it and salt the earth behind it.. This is because at heart they are just as bad, big government meddlers as the openly left. The only difference is they have a vague awareness of having to pay for it.

    Let’s see what Newman does with the Qld Wild Rivers legislation. A glaring example of an onerous, useless restriction on land use in the far north that nobody who lives there wanted (no lefties in that country) that only exists to buy votes in Brisbane, and the LNP promised to get rid of it when they were elected. Will the LNP erase it, or just convert it to a mildly watered down additional layer of red tape that the ALP will just ratchet up when it returns to office. A betrayal of the LNP base just because they delude themselves into thinking they can cuddle the left into loving them. What will they do? I bet they will be losers.

    Just get rid of it you idiots, you will only help Bob Katter.

  4. Alfonso

    ‘According to the present government’s advice this makes it almost impossible to de-fund them or even to give directions on how the money can be spent (or saved).’
    Unacceptable. Cannot be. Govt must be able to deep six any agency/qango cheaply.
    A lifespan that expires with the term of the govt that created it is obvious. No long term contracts for qangos.

  5. Helen

    Is it time to declare martial law, then?

  6. the problem here is that the conservatives are losing the public relations war.

    They were winning the public relations war since about 201o before, in 2013, they decided to do a switch to the tricky “centre.”

    The real problem is that they don’t have the courage of their convictions.

  7. Shelley

    This is so wrong. But not entirely unpredictable. I don’t understand how the government can say they can’t defund it or direct how the money is spent. Haven’t got time to look into this now – but a few cursory questions, was it established by legislation (forgive my ignorance here), even if it was, legislation can be amended (although a hostile Senate??) – how can something that is government funded be so ‘locked up’. The previous bunch left landmines everywhere – hence my not entirely unpredictable comment. Wonder what else is out there? The Coalition need to go harder – or – as many have alluded to are the just too soft and enjoying their time at the trough too? Disappointing all around.

  8. Notice that the coalition are prepared to go to the mat and put everything on the line for an 80 billion dollar medical fund and a new tax, but just grumble impotently about the green infrastructure and regulation they inherited.

  9. Bruce of Newcastle

    A bit of innovation can get around crap like this. So, a tax on renewable energy grants of 100% of the value of the grant would be possible. The contracts would not be voided, but the money would be recovered.

    Another way to do it is to shame the receivers of such graft. I bet that Rio Tinto would very rapidly return the money if they were shamed and castigated in the media for taking dirty and corrupt green ALP money…especially when the ALP would have difficulty supporting their class enemy.

    And if the media don’t report it, the PM and Greg Hunt should hammer the culprits over and over in every single news conference, live interview and press release. The ABC may try to censor messages it doesn’t want you to hear but they cannot censor live interviews on fora like Q&A.

  10. Bob

    Just as well the LNP girls’ blouses weren’t involved in codebreaking in WWII.

    They would have declared it impossible.

  11. According to the present government’s advice this makes it almost impossible to de-fund them or even to give directions on how the money can be spent (or saved).

    Who provided this advice?
    not Treasury, surely….

  12. Andrew

    Solar may well have been relevant in a context of
    - only running a project during daylight
    - where it never rains
    - where land is infinite and worthless
    - way away from the grid

    They run Telstra towers the same way in the bush. Likewise wind may be useful in remote Scottish Islands.

    How is this a breakthrough? There was no new innovation or invention. We get no technology or IP. All that happens is Rio gets a 50% subsidy. Would they have used diesel without the subsidy? Possibly.

    Shaming them won’t work – people LIKE leftist policies like renewables, unfunded long term hyperinflation of health spending, free shit, money round robins etc. I’m surprised that it could be proofed from a July Sen8 or the current budget – the RGR govt never showed any competence at anything else.

  13. Rabz

    “the Australian Renewable Energy Agency” “Clean Energy Finance Corporation”

    One of these days, I’m going to slip something into the Parliament House water supply, kidnap every member of the government, lock them in a small auditorium, strap them to the seats, blast them with The Mantra™ (1,000 Buddhist Monks version) at about 150db while showing enormous slides of the ALPBC logo, windfarms, solar arrays, Al Bore, Dim Flummery, Christine Milne, the Victorian desalination plant and the words above.

    Similar to the Ludovico technique in a Clockwork Orange and hopefully just as effective.

    We are running out of options.

  14. Shelley

    Who provided this advice?
    not Treasury, surely….

    My thoughts exactly, those on comfy government/taxpayer funded incomes protecting their interests – quelle surprise!

  15. AP

    An act of parliament can get rid of just about any spending program.

  16. AP

    As we’ve seen in NSW, it can even be used to cancel mineral exploration leases, leaving no recourse to the courts.

  17. alan moran

    Shelly, Aussiepundit
    Advice on funding would have come from AG’s/Govt Solicitor who would have been instrumental in ensuring the democracy blocking provisions were there in the first place.

    From my cursory look at the legislation this seems correct. May be powers under s 33 of Acts Interpretation Act as it impacts of ARENA s20. There are those in the govt who would welcome some insights into means of undoing the Gillard/Milne bastardry.
    Meanwhile Terry McCrann has thundering good piece this morning and AFR further applies pressure

  18. Crossie

    Who provided this advice?
    not Treasury, surely….

    The Treasury as currently run are not friends of the new government or the people. Don’t Liberals have any friends who are capable of doing the job?

  19. Crossie

    Advice on funding would have come from AG’s/Govt Solicitor who would have been instrumental in ensuring the democracy blocking provisions were there in the first place.

    Ooh, even more miscreants to dislodge, get to it Tony. Though first make a lot of noise how these people are advising against the national interest. Demonising seems to work so well for the opposition why not use it? If our financial situation is so dire then you cannot be squeamish.

  20. Grigory M

    bien pensants – that’s rather twee, Alan. Not to worry – the “right-minded” persons at ARENA will soon be gone if this part of the article is correct:

    It’s understood ARENA’s board is unlikely to be re-appointed when its term ends in mid-July, with responsibility for funding expected to be transferred to the secretary of the Industry Department.

    Not re-appointing the Board is, however, the easy part. The planned reduction of $1.3 Billion in funding depends on the passage of the Budget through the Senate.

  21. Crossie

    An act of parliament can get rid of just about any spending program.

    Why the “just about” qualification? It has the power to get rid of any and all, it just needs the will. TA’s government were entrusted by the people to be better than the last mob, not stupider.

  22. crocodile

    So, Labor has been able to ensure that a Coalition Government would continue to carry excess economic baggage that would help cripple its attempts to restore the economy. And by negative campaigning they may return early to the Treasury Benches, which is far more important than the restoration of the economic mess their period of office created.

    It’s pretty much in keeping with the antics of the coalition as well.

  23. Grigory M

    No legislation has been introduced, nor does there seem to be any in prospect, to repeal the ARENA Act 2011. So, it looks like retention of the “gift-giving” functions of ARENA will be retained as part of the Government’s Direct Action plans.

  24. Ant

    OK, this one might be O/T – perhaps only slightly – but I find it spooky and disturbing:

    Earwax eating congressman…

  25. Crossie

    Ant, he also shares Rudd’s political tastes.

  26. stevem

    The problem, as I understand it, is that the funding can’t be stopped without Senate approval. Stopping funding to this monster was one of the first things Abbott tried to do when he took power, but the head of the “Clean Energy Finance Corporation” stated that Abbott didn’t have the power to stop him and he would keep spending money. He used no diplomacy ans shamelessly defied the Prime Minister.

  27. handjive

    Thank you Mr Moran.
    There is no fence-sitting in the Global Warming debate, where Abbott/LNP sits.
    Either you ‘believe in the science‘ and it is the ‘worst apocalypse ever‘, or this is a fraud.
    Your link to McCrann has this quote:

    “The discovery and exploitation of shale oil has transformed the US energy situation.
    In barely half a dozen years, production of oil from shale has zoomed to more than 3 million barrels a day. That’s saving the US more than $100 billion on its annual oil import bill.

    Can we do something similar in Australia? No one really has the answer, because no one has been seriously looking — as indeed, nobody 10 years ago thought that was possible in the US.”

    . . .
    May I refer you to a speech and quote delivered at an anti-carbon tax rally in Sydney on July 1, 2012 by David Archibald, a Perth-based climate scientist and energy analyst.
    He is a visiting fellow of the Institute of World Politics in Washington DC, where he teaches a course in strategic energy policy:

    “The fake problem of carbon is distracting us from real problems, first of which is the fact that Australia’s oil self-sufficiency is declining rapidly.
    It is 40 per cent now. It will be down to 25 per cent by 2020.

    We now import oil from as far afield as Azerbaijan, Algeria and the Congo.
    We are forced to rely upon their kindness to keep our farms and factories running.

    It need not be like that.

    We could make our own transport fuels from our own coal. And keep the money we pay for them in Australia.

    Only then will our nation have any hope of being secure and happy.
    But that won’t happen while the carbon tax, and the mining tax, live.

    The carbon tax and the mining tax are a particularly horrific combination for Australia.
    The carbon tax penalises our biggest resource endowment.
    The message from the mining tax is that risk capital is not welcome in Australia.
    The synthetic fuel plants meant for us will be built in Canada and Chile instead.”

    Undoing the treason & evil will be a hard road, as any current politician is implicated.

    “As for any politicians who have ever believed in global warming, or supported the carbon tax, or a carbon-constrained economy, there is no hope for them.
    They are either too stupid or incompetent to be taken seriously.

    Merely recanting, at this late stage, won’t be enough.
    Make their lives hell too, just as they wished a diminished life on you.”

  28. Crossie

    He used no diplomacy ans shamelessly defied the Prime Minister.

    Then you play on that for the voting public to increase pressure. Makes you think that Liberals are new to this politics gig.

  29. MiltonG

    Rio are displacing diesel fuel on their generation system, and there will be a day time peak for the mine and town.

    It could be economic given diesel prices (& the growing risk of paying road taxes on the diesel fuel).

  30. Grigory M

    he would keep spending money. He used no diplomacy

    ‘he” was actually “she” – Jillian Broadbent, Board Chairwoman of the CEFC – and still is.

  31. egg_

    Are they scared of this Greg Bourne (Chair) tosser?
    What is it with fossil fuel types like him and Pachauri jumping into bed with the Grun Jugend?

  32. egg_

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #1314965, posted on May 22, 2014 at 7:51 am

    Yup, surely some wise accountants would know how to bring down this behemoth (and some smart lawyers, too, I’m sure would spot loopholes, if they are at all serious about bringing it down, but they approved the legislation in the first place, sellouts).

  33. Wayneof perth

    Sack the Board and don’t reappoint anyone. Then abolish the joint.

  34. Grigory M

    Are they scared of this Greg Bourne (Chair) tosser?

    Don’t think so, egg_. I this is correct:

    It’s understood ARENA’s board is unlikely to be re-appointed when its term ends in mid-July, with responsibility for funding expected to be transferred to the secretary of the Industry Department.

    then Bourne and the rest of the ARENA Board will soon be gone.

    Unfortunately, Jillian Broadbent and the rest of her CEFC Board will still be there until the Government gets more serious about creating some DD triggers.

  35. Grigory M

    If this is correct: (PIMF)

  36. Fibro

    Alan, it is not just the Green Odyssey that is the issue. The coalition have to re-educate an entire generation about where money comes from.

    I was involved in a bit of verbal stoush with some people last week about a rebate they were being paid for solar. They were happy with the $150 odd rebate they got, and I sarcastically told them it was my pleasure. These people I don’t consider dumb, but it really was 10 minutes to understand that a government doesn’t have the money to start with, it comes from people paying taxes and businesses making a profit.

  37. H B Bear

    The Liberals continue to play this wrong.

    They should be attacking Labor and Peanut Head at every opportunity – for denying the votes and the will of the people that gave them a near-record majority in the House of Reps. People should be furious that their votes to throw out Labor and their policies aren’t being respected – and this is what the Libs should keep hammering.

    Instead they are caught up in the Star Wars bar that is the Australian Senate.

  38. Joe

    Look, It’s simple. Use the criminal powers to confiscate the bank accounts of government depts/quangos that refuse to obey their ministers direction. Lets see how they spend money that’s no longer there.

  39. David

    I’d never heard of Jillian Broadbent before this so I looked up her bio. Seems she has been sucking on the public tit most of the time.

    Obviously one of the “ruling class” who make decisions for us plebs ’cause we don’t have the necessary intelligence to think for ourselves.

    Perhaps she needs to be given a copy of the election results to see just how we plebs in the brutal real world feel about “green fraud”.

  40. Bruce of Newcastle

    Instead they are caught up in the Star Wars bar that is the Australian Senate.

    Cool. That would make Christine Milne Greedo, Penny Wong Ponda Baba and Sarah Hansen-Young is a ravishing Sy Snootles.

    As for Clive Palmer…heh.

  41. David

    As for Clive Palmer

    Sorry Bruce. Laurie Oakes already has the contract re Jabba

    :-)

  42. Shelley
    There are those in the govt who would welcome some insights into means of undoing the Gillard/Milne bastardry.

    Thanks Alan. There is some hope then!

    This type of rubbish undermines our democracy – the idea of terms for government (as I understand it) is not to fetter a future democratically elected government.

  43. JC

    He is “angry” that the present government is trying to axe the $1.3 billion his wasteful agency was allocated by its Green/ALP predecessor.

    Alan, can he be fired?

  44. egg_

    “They should be attacking Labor and Peanut Head at every opportunity…”

    But instead they’re embracing the Credlin all-embracing route to the Opposition benches.

  45. MT Isa Miner

    Rabz

    #1314992, posted on May 22, 2014 at 8:11 am

    “the Australian Renewable Energy Agency” “Clean Energy Finance Corporation”

    One of these days, I’m going to slip something into the Parliament House water supply, kidnap every member of the government, lock them in a small auditorium, strap them to the seats, blast them with The Mantra™ (1,000 Buddhist Monks version) at about 150db while showing enormous slides of the ALPBC logo, windfarms, solar arrays, Al Bore, Dim Flummery, Christine Milne, the Victorian desalination plant and the words above.

    Similar to the Ludovico technique in a Clockwork Orange and hopefully just as effective.

    We are running out of options.

    Rabz, I’m in.

  46. Grigory M

    It will be interesting from 1 July when the new Senate make-up is in place. The Government has been complaining (but not very effectively) about the current Senate being unco-operative while at the same time it has been hastening very slowly on its promised repeal legislation. After 8 months only 1 relatively minor piece of that legislation has been re-introduced – all of the major repeal Bills have been allowed to languish after their first rejection. Why is that so? Go figure – the Carbon Tax and the Mining Tax are still being collected and there is no intention to refund the monies collected from them, which of course, helps the current Budget bottom line. Disingenuous, deceitful little Government.

    So, what will they do when the new financial year finds them facing not only the Liebor/Greens but multiple Brian Harradines among the minor Party Senators, all with their own demands, many of which will frustrate the Government’s plans – and with no DD triggers in place? Speaking softly, but not carrying a big stick won’t cut it.

  47. Rabz

    Thanks miner, I’ll need some henchmen to help pull it off.

  48. Dr Faustus

    The coalition have to re-educate an entire generation about where money comes from.

    After six years of Labor handing out my money to any passing rentseeker that might help get them relected, the Coalition has just done exactly the same thing.

    I have no faith that a Government that is happy to tip billions into new spending on evidence-free policy initiatives has any commitment to reducing idiocy spending by the previous crop of degenerates. There is no evidence that Abbott values the money government sucks out of the economy any more than does Labor, or the Greens.

  49. .

    Come on guys.

    Cut, cut, cut.

  50. Sally Moore

    the problem here is that the conservatives are losing the public relations war.”

    Conservatives are doomed to always lose the PR war as long as we have the big welfare state with piles of money sloshing around and being doled out to buy votes, especially when we hit the “sour point” where more than 50% of people are in net receipt of government money (like exists now). They will always vote in their self-interest to get handouts, government careers, grants, jobs, subsidies etc. PR be damned. It’s the numbers game of the HP (hip pocket).

  51. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    The Right lack the intestinal fortitude to govern positively,what you do is sack wiyh predjudice all left wingpublic servants,change rules regardingpolitical funding,hammer unions financually,investigate all PS and politicians finances .past and present.Defund all socialist programmes of last govt.defund uni.humanitesand law courses,abolish all untidy nayshuns inspired bodies withdraw from u.n. ,depoert all muslims ,abolish senate compulsory votupingNd preferences,,withdraw 60 percent of all funding for the corrupt law trade, then get to serious reform .

  52. davey street

    Unbelievable. Time for a Right wing revolution starting with a war against the inner city rich elitist wreckers of Australia from the Left stirred to hatred of and violence towards those who vote Coalition by the Fairfax/ABC/Labor/Green/Palmer conglomerate. Within a few years we could be like Thailand with massive civil disobedience and warlike conditions from opposing street marches between the rich Red and Green shirts of the city based Left and the middle and working class Blue shirts of the suburbs, towns and country of the Right. Thank goodness most of our military are, unlike the Thai military, reasonable middle of the road people who believe in a functioning democratic country and will fight for the working middle class and their supporters and families, those who the rich snobs of the Left collectively detest so much. The deliberate suppression of the truth in our politics by the Left wing conglomerate is breathtaking. How did it come to this ? The traitorous Australia haters from the conglomerate and their celebrity backers are largely responsible. How and why can they hate Abbott, and now his wife and one of his daughters, enough to want to encourage his possible assassination by some mental retard using disgusting lies about the Abbotts ? How can we have a man like Palmer saying he will be Prime Minister by the end of this year when he’s in the Federal court on the verge of being accused of massive and calculated fraud to the tune of 20 million dollars by CITIC, the biggest Chinese miner operating in Australia. How ?

  53. Clive 4 Evah

    How can we have a man like Palmer saying he will be Prime Minister by the end of this year when he’s in the Federal court on the verge of being accused of massive and calculated fraud to the tune of 20 million dollars by CITIC, the biggest Chinese miner operating in Australia.

    Because those filthy chinese commies are a bunch of corrupt, greedy, lying marxists!

    How dare you impugn Clive and his motives and business acumen like that!

  54. richard

    Alan, it is not just the Green Odyssey that is the issue. The coalition have to re-educate an entire generation about where money comes from.

    When you say “have to re-educate an entire generation” I think “let’s troll some marxists for a laugh”

    The issue is we won’t be laughing when there are more people living off welfare than paying taxes, the Labor solution being the Greek one- borrow money to pay welfare. “Troy Bramston tweets:
    SINCE when did welfare become seen as income?”

    We should call it what it is: welfarism.

  55. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    Must be the new pardigm in our politics.krud was an utter fraud.giLIARd aided and abetted fraud,and niw the palmster is accused of fraud,fits dont it? Keeping down standards ,the new politics.the bottom is not low enough,have a really good lookat todays pollies,would you buy a used car off most of them?

  56. egg_

    Speaking softly, but not carrying a big limp stick won’t cut it.

    FTFY.

  57. Alfonso

    You Sentimental Blokes you.
    There is no way back, the Comrades are the natural party of govt now, other people’s money as cheques in the mail will always win and is compulsory, with excursions to the squishy left Rotarian Liberals faction every decade or so to semi fix the bankruptcy problem.
    Protecting your wealth is imperative #1…. the rest is a war lost decades ago.

  58. Habib

    I thought it was unconstitutional to word or enact legislation that could not be repealed or amended. If so, the legislation enabling these boondoggles would be likewise; can someone clarify?

  59. Andrew

    Alan, can he be fired?

    More to the point. If they fire every single person who refuses the Minister’s orders and take their sweet time rehiring replacements, what happens? Surely the money won’t lend itself under Gillard’s legislation? Surely the cheques don’t sign themselves?

  60. Grigory M

    Speaking softly, but not carrying a big limp stick won’t cut it.

    FFS egg_ – I’m not suggesting they need to have sexual congress with their opponents. Quite the reverse.

  61. Grigory M

    I thought it was unconstitutional to word or enact legislation that could not be repealed or amended. If so, the legislation enabling these boondoggles would be likewise; can someone clarify?

    Habib – constitutionality of legislation is a matter for the High Court – if that was in question the Government would have gone there. All legislation can be repealed – it’s just a matter of whether the Government has (or can muster) the numbers in both Houses of Parliament to pass the repeal legislation.

  62. egg_

    FFS egg_ – I’m not suggesting they need to have sexual congress with their opponents. Quite the reverse.

    Ditto. It’s a euphemism for having nil courage.
    These guys are obviously into appeasement.

  63. Free Advice

    The ABC’s buddies at Fairfax now in damage control themselves outing granny “Gloria” in a panicked puff piece on the real phone sex worker even admitting that she’s being doing it for years yet curiously not discussing the lie she told about having to take up the phone sex work because of Abbotts 9 day old budget.
    Astonishing.
    Your thoughts John Faine?

  64. Grigory M

    Ditto is a euphemism for having nil courage? You watched the re-run of Ghost the other night. ;)

  65. gabrianga

    Nothing new here about Rio. First past the post with gifts following the enactment of the Native Title Act, reluctant to support the removal of the “veto” provisions over exploration and mining in the NT Land Rights Act. Begging bowl out for gas power supply to their Gove project where the sun shines as often as in NQ.

    You can be sure that Dreyfus used his remarkable delaying skills together with Henry and Parkinson to assure “Green” funding would be an “untouchable” if or when Labor was toppled.

    Australia was estimated to have at least 30% of the world’s mineable uranium more than 40 years ago.

    With Fraser and Howard the ground was hardly scratched with 5 year vetoes being handed out like lollies by the Left dominated Land Councils.

    Still early days yet but not much sign of the Coalition Ministers responsible for resource development growing a pair. Perhaps a nudge and a wink from PM Abbott might help?

  66. The coalition have to re-educate an entire generation about where money comes from.

    Abbott and the right won the fucking public relations war. They won the argument. They hit 60-4o 2pp on nothing but hard core, small government, right wing rhetoric.

    Then in the 2013 campaign walked away from all that and turned into Labor lite, because they thought that would be tricky and clever and get them a few more votes. They had it in their hands and threw it away.

  67. 1234

    Bwhaaa Alan! They can’t get every point of the IPA agenda up. The government can change ARENA, they just need the numbers in the Senate. Tony “people skills” Abbott shouldn’t have any trouble persuading them.

  68. cohenite

    1234; are you a solar panel installer?

  69. Grigory M

    1234; are you a solar panel installer?

    Carpenter – one finger missing on his counting hand.

  70. 1234

    No, I’m not an installer. The author thinks it should change just by snapping his fingers. The previous govt had to negotiate in the reps and senate – Tony’s turn now.

  71. How can we have a man like Palmer saying he will be Prime Minister by the end of this year when he’s in the Federal court on the verge of being accused of massive and calculated fraud to the tune of 20 million dollars by CITIC, the biggest Chinese miner operating in Australia.

    Because those filthy chinese commies are a bunch of corrupt, greedy, lying marxists!

    How dare you impugn Clive and his motives and business acumen like that!

    Clive’s mum is back on the blog again.

  72. The author thinks it should change just by snapping his fingers.

    The author thinks the elected government should be able to shut down a program that it wants to shut down.
    What we have is a situation where the government of the day cannot control how money is being spent. That’s objectionable and undemocratic.

  73. JC

    The previous govt had to negotiate in the reps and senate – Tony’s turn now.

    Lol, what did the Lying Slapper have to negotiate in the senate? The highest mitigation tax in the world imposed by the Green scum? Some negotiation that took, you fucking moron.

    Lets go to the transcript of those negoshiations.

    The slapper: Bob, how high do you want the carbon tax to be.

    Mad dog Brown: $24

    The Slapper : Okay, thank you Bob.

  74. .

    1234
    #1316079, posted on May 22, 2014 at 9:33 pm
    No, I’m not an installer. The author thinks it should change just by snapping his fingers. The previous govt had to negotiate in the reps and senate – Tony’s turn now.

    What a pathetic non-argument.

  75. JC

    What a pathetic non-argument.

    It’s incredible isn’t it? It’s how nearly all of the left think. It’s all about spite, payback. 99% of these scumbags want to see the nation fall into a sewer so Abbott fails. They really are different people.

  76. .

    Back in the day they’d say “touched”…now we’d say “fucking retards”

  77. 1234

    Bwhaaaa! It can shut it down when it gets the numbers and not before. Might I remind you that Labor had to negotiate with independents and greens. It also inherited Work Choices and had to negotiate changes. It is the same now. Get used to democracy Australian style in a bicameral parliament. Let’s hope that Tony’s arse is still available – he might need it for Clive.

  78. Infidel Tiger

    Bwhaaaa! It can shut it down when it gets the numbers and not before. Might I remind you that Labor had to negotiate with independents and greens

    Yes, we are well aware that the far left controlled both houses, enabling Gillard to pass any legislation she wanted without a trouble in the world.

    We are also well aware they are now stymying any attempt to undo it.

    Gillard didn’t have to negotiate shit. She had everything rubber stamped under her alliance agreement.

  79. .

    Howard passed nearly all of his agenda with hostile Senates. Get used to it indeed.

  80. JC

    Moron:
    The Liars party didn’t have to do any negoshiation in the lower house as those two treasonous douchebags – Oakeshitt and the venomous Windsor committed themselves to the Liars from the beginning.

    The Greens are more left than Liars so it was only a question of how extreme Liars policies would be.

    Now fuck off sand stop wasting pixels.

  81. 1234

    Ha ha ha. 99% of catallaxy wanted the nation to fall so Gillard would fail. Remind me, who was talking the economy down, why one TA. And why shouldn’t there be some payback? I think its called accountability.

  82. 1234

    Far left WTF? Both parties are the parties of business and support capitalism. Check your definitions or hyperbole.

  83. JC

    You spite filled dickhead. No one here wanted the nation to fail. We knew the nation would fail with Liars party policies.

    As for your view on payback…. what a lowdown piece of filth you are. I don’t blame you though. I blame the two arseholes to enjoined their sexual organs to produce you through a DNA exchange. If they had been stopped beforehand it would have been a good thing.

  84. Both parties are the parties of business and support capitalism.

    Gillard was not pro-capitalism.
    There’s not an industry in Australia that wasn’t damaged by her meddling hands.

    The only business that Labor supports are rent-seeking businesses like green industries and failing, highly unionised businesses with their hands out.

  85. JC

    Far left WTF? Both parties are the parties of business and support capitalism. Check your definitions or hyperbole.

    We should ignore the clamp the union scum have on the party, right?

    Oh and how about the Iron Pact.

  86. 1234

    Good to see you can sustain an argument JC – bhwaaa! If I was your dog I would be on the lookout for getting a kick about now.

  87. Tiny Dancer

    “Negotiate with” the greens, clearly you meant to say “cave in to” the greens.

    SfB seems to have passed the baton on to you; keep your ankle bracelet on and stay away from schools.

  88. JC

    Sustain an argument? There’s no argument with you, fuckface. Only mocking and contempt for the scumbag you are. How does one argue with someone who suggests payback is a good way to run a country?

    If you were my dog, I’d euthanize you.

  89. 1234

    So Sinodinos pushing through FOFA was now catering to the rent seekers but merely responding to public clamor? The finance industry is rent seekers writ large.

  90. 1234

    Font Abbott seems to think payback is a good way to run the country.

  91. Zaphod

    We knew the nation would fail with Liars party policies.

    Has the “Liars Party” label become a bit, er, ambiguous ?

  92. 1234

    JC there is no shortage of spite filled dickheads on this site – a superfluity. Oh, and what about the clamp the big end of town has on the LNP? The party represents them and no one else. Just ask Greg Barnes.

  93. MemoryVault

    Has the “Liars Party” label become a bit, er, ambiguous ?

    Yes.
    It would appear there isn’t any other kind.

  94. cohenite

    Is this 1234 numbers with his dick cut off?

  95. JC

    JC there is no shortage of spite filled dickheads on this site – a superfluity.

    Lol.. I don’t see any spite at all. Lots of contempt and scorn for the left. Spite is something the left are great at… Like you.

    Oh, and what about the clamp the big end of town has on the LNP? The party represents them and no one else. Just ask Greg Barnes.

    They do ,how? You mean like the unions holding 50% of the Liars party voting rights in the party structure? Like that?

    Fuck off. You’re a waste of fucking time.

  96. MemoryVault

    Oh, and what about the clamp the big end of town has on the LNP? The party represents them and no one else.

    Unlike the Gillard/KRudd Crowd which slashed renewable energy slush funds handouts bribes payments to the big end of town, while relaxing eligibility criteria for SPB, DSP and Age Pensions, and introducing a huge middle class welfare scam bribe payment in the form of an unaffordable PPL.

    . . . Oh wait . . .

    C’mon folks.
    These day you couldn’t work a well-greased cigarette paper between the two major parties.

  97. entropy

    Oh, and what about the clamp the big end of town has on the LNP? The party represents them and no one else. Just ask Greg Barnes.

    Really? You do know what started Palmer off, don’t you? And you want us to ask Greg Barns about something meaningful in the world? Even socialist tosspots like the tas libs eventually worked him out hahahhahahaha!

    You are too funny.

  98. .

    1234
    #1316114, posted on May 22, 2014 at 10:05 pm
    Ha ha ha. 99% of catallaxy wanted the nation to fall so Gillard would fail.

    No. You’re a disgraceful liar.

    Both parties are the parties of business and support capitalism.

    What? Both do their best to choke businesses to death.

    Font Abbott seems to think payback is a good way to run the country.

    What the hell are you talking about? He has cut 0.22% of forecast spending.

    So Sinodinos pushing through FOFA was now catering to the rent seekers but merely responding to public clamor? The finance industry is rent seekers writ large.

    If you were serious, you’d agitate to end super, but you can’t let the unions have their nose away from the trough.

    You’re a superficial, misguided, ill informed, poorly educated moron not worth responding to. A tribalist, reactionary bloody moron.

  99. Grigory M

    You’re a superficial, misguided, ill informed, poorly educated moron not worth responding to. A tribalist, reactionary bloody moron.

    Harsh – but fair.

  100. 1234

    Ha ha ha you are all deluded in your mean little Utopian world.
    The ALP might be 50% owned by the unions but the LNP is 100% owned by the big end of town – see comment on FOFA. When it comes to nose in the trough re super, the unions have nothing compared to the finance sector who pull out billions, and for what?

  101. 1234

    “You’re a superficial, misguided…..” Funny how this is always the end point of any disagreement on this site. Strong on invective and weak on analysis and argument. Just bwhaaaaa or a form of circle jerk.

  102. Percy

    The finance industry is rent seekers writ large.

    No, the Manufacturing Industry is rent seekers writ large. The other industries are rent seekers writ, well, less large.

    Font Abbott seems to think payback is a good way to run the country

    What payback? The Coalition has delivered the most generous budget in Australia’s history. How much do you want?

    The ALP might be 50% owned by the unions

    LMAO. Try owned lock, stock and barrel

    the LNP is 100% owned by the big end of town

    If I were the big end of town I’d be pissed that the political party I owned was doing such a poor job of looking after my interests.

    Just bwhaaaaa or a form of circle jerk.

    Shall we conference call Gloria?

  103. 1234

    Well writ less large – thanks for supporting my point. Spongers all.

  104. Notafan

    If everyone is a sponger, who is the spongee?

  105. Alan Moran

    According to Innes Willox of the Australian Industry Group, “energy users would lose as much as they gain from deep reductions in the RET”.

    This piece of absurdity is on the basis that we create a subsidy that means we replace commercial electricity by power that costs, at best, three times as much. The trick is that the renewable energy bids into the pool at zero and will occaasionally drive down the pool price. The problem with this are that the returns from commercial power is reduced and this means a reduced incentive to renew and maintain it.

    More generally, an analogy is with confectionery. If the government provides free snickers this drives down the price of all snickers. So perhaps the trick that the lobbyists have done with electricity should be generally followed throughout the economy! A perpetual motion of subsidies that drive out commercial producers miraculously leaves us all better off!

    Another general lesson is that the renewable energy suppliers have by force of their lobbying captured the public and the industry representatives and persuaded people that by paying more they are better off.

  106. Notafan

    Is anything stopping the government from cutting funding from the Corporation itself and keeping it busy with redundancies?
    They should also be subject to an in depth audit.

  107. I have it on the expert authority of my friend who works for the ABC (and who wants a virus to eradicate 90% of humanity) that only people of the Left care:

    The left (including Labor and Greens) are interested in the wellbeing of the entire community, now and for the future. Conservatives are generally “religiously” idealogical while really just out to feather their own and their mates’ nests and screw the poor, screw the workers, they’re not people, screw anybody they have a prejudice against. And with all that nest feathering, they use the money to buy influence and subvert democracy at every turn. There might be the odd conservative politician in this world who cares about the whole community, but they never rise high enough to make a difference. They’re the ones got rid of by sex scandals and slur campaigns, stabbed in the back by their own party.

  108. Notafan

    Deadman, suggest to your friend that if he thinks the world has too many people, he should lead by example.
    I always wonder why certain people who complain about population size always want someone else eg, the yet to be born, to make the ultimate sacrifice.

  109. Rabz

    Conservatives are generally “religiously” idealogical (sic)

    Wow. That’s a very profound (and some might say, very wrong) observation right there.

    An ALPBC employee as well. Who’da thunk it?

  110. cohenite

    This piece of absurdity is on the basis that we create a subsidy that means we replace commercial electricity by power that costs, at best, three times as much

    That is a point Alan but ultimately an irrelevant point since any cost comparison between energy sources is pointless when one of the energy sources, renewables, DO NOT WORK.

    If you want over 1/2 the week without power than go down the renewable path. That’s the bottom line.

    Every renewable installation needs fossils to back it up; there is NO reduction in fossils; they have to be kept up and running to supply the power when the renewable packs it in.

    You write good articles Alan but you always ignore that point which really is the only point.

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