Monday Forum: May 26, 2014

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  1. hammy

    Prince Charles is partly correct, but we MUST abolish capitalism, not simply transform it.

    Capitalism is immoral. We cannot save humanity unless we restore morality.

    The so-called advanced economies are primarily at fault here. We have extended our life spans at the expense of the poor in developing countries. It’s immoral that we have extended our life spans to the eighties and nineties. More people in these countries are reaching 100.

    We need to introduce a system of involuntary euthanasia, limiting the permissible life span to say 70, at least initially, with a view to reducing it even further.

  2. Gab

    but we MUST abolish capitalism

    Never fear, hammy, the Libs are at it and doing their utmost to destroy it. Patience, my precious.

  3. candy

    You gonna kill you mum when she reaches 70, hammy? is that your plan?

  4. James

    PS: James your ignorance is showing by your use of the term “right-wing blog”

    Should be “non-left” blog?

  5. James

    but we MUST abolish capitalism

    then who is going to pay for all the feel good thingys?

  6. brc

    The so-called advanced economies are primarily at fault here. We have extended our life spans at the expense of the poor in developing countries. It’s immoral that we have extended our life spans to the eighties and nineties. More people in these countries are reaching 100.

    We need to introduce a system of involuntary euthanasia, limiting the permissible life span to say 70, at least initially, with a view to reducing it even further.

    Consider the pudding over-egged on this particular one. The hamster must be two sheets and dropped its guard.

  7. James

    and this gem:

    It is not as if Andrew Bolt will be thrown to jail. The biggest punishment is bruised ego.

    Don’t get me wrong. I support 18C repeal, but this is the feedback I am getting from most people. If you want your cause to succeed you have to take into consideration what those people who oppose are saying and address those concerns.

  8. Token

    Should be “non-left” blog?

    That is a better description.

    I noted in a previous comment that Jean Kitson found herself cast out of the left on Monday for daring to suggest violence & intimidation by student protestors toward women is unacceptable (who knows where she sees herself).

  9. hammy

    You gonna kill you mum when she reaches 70, hammy? is that your plan?

    No Candy. My mother’s died some years ago. But of course it’s the State that must undertake and carry out this policy, not individuals. It’s the moral way to proceed.

  10. James

    violence & intimidation by student protestors toward women is unacceptable

    violence & intimidation by student protestors toward men is also unacceptable

  11. Perpetual Motion

    …of shame, Hammy?

  12. Token

    …this is the feedback I am getting from most people.

    I’ve had similar conversations with people who believe 18C will address the stupid things the morons said to them at school. They also called Bolt a “media insider”.

    Basically the messaging from left has projected the abuse of power which Jabba, Mark Riley, Bung-journo & the ABC do upon Bolt. As the Labor-Lite party does not even bother to engage in the communties, the left has been allowed to run this message uncontested.

  13. Infidel Tiger

    The Liberals are getting hammered by the ALP in the budget debate over the tax lies. Absolutely hammered.

    What a fucking cock up.

  14. candy

    But of course it’s the State that must undertake and carry out this policy, not individuals. It’s the moral way to proceed.

    If you really sincerely believe that, Hammy, how would you feel when it’s your turn to be eliminated?

    I find sometimes it helps to make a “visual” in your mind of how something will happen in detail and just picture it all, to better understand consequences.

  15. Beef

    The so-called advanced economies are primarily at fault here.

    Those bastard advanced economies.
    Ensuring the third world stays that way by demanding they have no electricity unless it comes from renewballs, all the while turning food into biodiesel.

    Death to capitalistic CAGW scammers.

  16. Ivan Denisovich

    You gonna kill you mum when she reaches 70, hammy? is that your plan?

    Lefties are exempted:

    Something interesting happens, however, when the individual in question is a family member. Peter Singer broke all of his own rules when his mother became ill with Alzheimer’s disease. Michael Specter reported on this in a profile of Singer titled, The Dangerous Philosopher (The New Yorker, September 6, 1999). Singer’s mother had reached a point in her life where she no longer recognized Singer, his sister, or her grandchildren, and she had lost the ability to reason. In this state, according to Singer’s theory, she did not meet the definition of a person. According to his ethical theory, she ought to have been killed or left to die. Certainly no money should have been spent on her care, since the money could be better spent lowering the suffering of the greatest number of other people. Instead, Singer and his sister hired a team of home health-care aides to look after their mother, spending tens of thousands of dollars in the process.

    What’s fascinating is that it is precisely when Singer gets into the position of reuniting suffering with a specific individual person, one whom he loves, that he reverses – in his actions – what he insists upon in his books.

    http://catholiceducation.org/articles/euthanasia/eu0034.html

  17. Token

    violence & intimidation by student protestors toward men is also unacceptable

    No argument there.

    Good luck trying to get the police to enforce the laws surrounding that when student thugs or union thugs act in that way.

  18. James

    If you really sincerely believe that, Hammy, how would you feel when it’s your turn to be eliminated?

    eliminated, terminated…whatever. Sounds like some sci-fi movie

  19. Token

    The Liberals are getting hammered by the ALP in the budget debate over the tax lies. Absolutely hammered.

    What a great time for the former leader of the SA Libs to pull a Slipper and betray his electorate in return for a fat pension which SA taxpayers will have to fund.

    We can’t trust the party to keep their promises, to stick to their principles, as it is clear too many will betray the voters if they have a chance of personally gaining.

  20. Foggyfig

    Never mind the backpackers – my daughter left home at 18 to travel around Australia. She did hotel work in Exmouth, watermelon picking near Broome (and learnt how to drive a tractor), restaurant work in Darwin, worked at the Fringe Festival in Adelaide. After that, she found work in a restaurant until she got a job with a geoscience company for 18 months that entailed travelling Central Australia. She did this grain season with CBH out in the boondocks (6 hours from home) and was offered end of season clean up work. She is still working with them doing outloading of grain.

    I laugh when they say they can’t be expected to move for a job at 17/18. What about the kids that get sent to boarding school at 13 from country areas, or have to move because they are going to Uni.

  21. James

    As the Labor-Lite party does not even bother to engage in the communties, the left has been allowed to run this message uncontested.

    The Libs “engagement with the community” is to send out the absolutely clueless Craig Lundy to argue against Brandis just to save his own seat.

  22. johanna

    Foggy, that girl of yours is going to succeed in life.

    Well done, both of you!

  23. johanna

    James, yeah there is some real dross on the Coalition backbench. Look at Sharman Stone, who is bitter about not being a Minister and publicly attacked the government about SPC/Ardmona. There have been others as well.

    The talent pool seems to be very shallow. And one of the best and brightest, Arthur Sinodinos, is on the bench because of his own stupidity in getting mixed up with a bunch of crooks in NSW politics.

    It’s a worry.

  24. dover_beach

    The Liberals are getting hammered by the ALP in the budget debate over the tax lies. Absolutely hammered.

    Fair’s fair, IT, they cannot be blamed for not seeing this coming.

  25. James

    there is some real dross on the Coalition backbench.

    +1

    They call that freedom of speech, broad church, whatever. A bunch of free loader careerists riding on the back of Abbott’s success in getting them into government, then rat on him.

  26. Infidel Tiger

    Christian Porter needs to replace Hockey instantly.

    There’s less talent on the government benches than at a Miss Afghanistan contest.

  27. bystander

    No Candy. My mother’s died some years ago. But of course it’s the State that must undertake and carry out this policy, not individuals. It’s the moral way to proceed.

    Hammy, in the interests of the common good, have you considered taking an early mark?

  28. Token
    The Liberals are getting hammered by the ALP in the budget debate over the tax lies. Absolutely hammered.

    Fair’s fair, IT, they cannot be blamed for not seeing this coming.

    The government people elected with the simple instruction not to act like the Liars Party, and the morons couldn’t even follow that simple game plan.

  29. harrys on the boat

    Hammy wanted to top himself over Goodes getting called an ape such was his shame.

    I’ve no doubt for the good of mankind Hammy will leave earth early.

  30. Gab

    The government people elected with the simple instruction not to act like the Liars Party, and the morons couldn’t even follow that simple game plan

    Nailed it.

  31. harrys on the boat

    That, Token, is worth emailing to every Liberal MP.

  32. Foggyfig

    Is Oakshitt out of money? Drum yesterday, Studio 10 today?

  33. Yobbo

    Yair, I keep hearing of the gargantuan subsidies dished out to “farmers”, but ain’t yet had anyone when challenged, who can point to an actual subsidy.

    Any farmer who has access to the Eastern rivers irrigation system is receiving massive subsidies since they do not pay anything near close to the true cost of that water.

  34. Foggyfig

    Protest at Sydney Uni at 1pm today – for poor Tom Raue. Protesting against his one month ban. I am sure there will be someone from Cats that will want to rush over and help out ;)

  35. Any farmer who has access to the Eastern rivers irrigation system is receiving massive subsidies since they do not pay anything near close to the true cost of that water.

    Good point, Murray & MIA irrigators in the deep south have something to think about there.

  36. will

    Yobbo – define “true cost”?

  37. Peter from SA

    Is Oakshitt out of money? Drum yesterday, Studio 10 today?

    being wheeled out due to book launch?

  38. Yobbo – define “true cost”?

    A few weirs got built, along with some miles of irrigation channel.

  39. nilk

    I never understood the concept of turning your nose up at a paying job.

    It’s not that i’s a paying job, Tokes. It’s the type of job.

    I have people looking down their nose at my job (I work in a warehouse that provides stuff for the construction industry and our main market is domestic) and as I try to explain to people: It doesn’t matter that it’s physical work, or seemingly minor; our products make people’s homes. If we get it wrong and people’s houses are wrong then they will not be happy.

    Who wants to live in a house they’ve paid for when the fixtures are wrong?

    So if we send out the right stuff at the right time, homes are built on time, handed over on time, and customers have nice houses to live in.

    What’s wrong or demeaning about that? Work is work. It pays my bills, I work with good people, I like our products, and we don’t just provide for houses, we provide for homes, therefore contributing a little towards someone’s life being happier and more comfortable.

  40. dover_beach
    Fair’s fair, IT, they cannot be blamed for not seeing this coming.

    The government people elected with the simple instruction not to act like the Liars Party, and the morons couldn’t even follow that simple game plan.

    Just so it is perfectly clear, I wasn’t being serious.

  41. Nilk: Slim Dusty’s “A Prouder Man than You” is one of the best takedowns of occupational snobbery you’ll find.

  42. nilk

    Gab #1322947, posted on May 28, 2014 at 12:11 pm
    The government people elected with the simple instruction not to act like the Liars Party, and the morons couldn’t even follow that simple game plan

    Nailed it.

    #youhadonlyonejob

  43. entropy

    1. If they want skips to pick they should pay more.

    It’s worse than that, too many producers expect their labourers to have an extensive list of qualifications, certs for this and that, but still only pay unskilled wages. I know that it is hard to make a profit these days, but still, be prepared to accept what you are prepared to pay for.

  44. …too many producers expect their labourers to have an extensive list of qualifications, certs for this and that, but still only pay unskilled wages….

    That is purely to weed out the violent rough types.
    Producers were facing severe reputational fallout in their communities & towns due to the sheer volume of trouble/violence/burglary/etc that would come to town with the picking season.

  45. entropy

    Truth in that Steve. Also, in some cases there a regulatory requirements imposed to help out union mates with unintended consequences, like farmers not having the money to pay the qualified workers, but there is also an element of expectation from some producers. I have actually had floated to me that the government should subsidise these wages. I suggested they are welcome to take it up with the pollies, but Buckley would have more chance.

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