Denis Napthine’s finest hour

A bit of a crisis in Victorian politics with a rogue MP threatening to bring down the State government with only 5 months to go before the next scheduled election.

The premier Denis Napthine was just on national television putting up a passionate defense of his government and promising to continue governing.

At the minute the Napthine government is behind in the polls and also on the betting market – I’m not expecting them to be re-elected. Yet if Napthine campaigns like his performed tonight he might just pull it off.

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126 Responses to Denis Napthine’s finest hour

  1. James B

    Napthine’s scum, just another phony like Baird, O’Fatfuck, and Barnett.

  2. hzhousewife

    All our pollies need to grow some balls. Napthine might be feeling some
    minor growth spurts in the nether regions tonight. Bulldozer required.

  3. Infidel Tiger

    Denis is a typical ilLiberal softcock, but his one saving grace is he loves horse racing. He’ll have plenty of time to do the form at the end of the year.

  4. Gab

    Hope the LDP has its act together this time for the coming election.

  5. David

    Napthine’s scum, just another phony like Baird, O’Fatfuck, and Barnett

    The Libs certainly haven’t won any laurels and their stand on 18C is reprehensible but there is no way we need Mr Potatoe Head [Andrews] and his socialist bludgers back.

    Apart from your little tanty do you have anything constructive that can be achieved to suggest?

  6. Infidel Tiger

    Liberals give great concession speeches. They are always very magnanimous.

  7. littledozer

    Napthine is a massive improvement on Ted that said the vic libs are in complete disarray and dominated by the left of the party. Party needs complete overhaul, it has no structures in place to fight marginal seats and has chosen unsuitable candidates in many seats. Andrews would be mad not to go early. I can’t see Libs picking up a marginal seat in metro Melb very tough for them to win.

  8. Duncan

    James B

    Napthine has been elected and reelected to Parliament and is Premier. He is in the history books. What have you done that makes you special, apart from being foul-mouthed and hiding behind your anonymous and cowardly pseudonym?

  9. Infidel Tiger

    In the last month the Vic Liberals have vigorously supported banning Uber, allowing partial birth abortions, banning free speech and installing more fixed point speed cameras.

    If they lost and were replaced by the Tasmanian Greens, who could tell the difference?

  10. Tom

    I like Napthine, but I have zero faith in the incompetent rabble around him. I’m praying that the electorate a) reacts to the instability of the past four years, b) rejects the socialist alternative that Baillieu offered, and c) realises that Daniel Andrews has John Brumby’s corrupt Liars administration hand up his back and is going to finish off the Wonthaggi Desalination Plant’s buggery of Victorian taxpayers with a debt crisis that hasn’t yet begun.

  11. Tom

    And yes, Gab, I will never vote for the LNP again. The LDP better have its act together. I have them on probation as the lesser of two evils, though I expect them to make unprincipled arseholes of themselves eventually.

  12. Slayer of Memes

    Apparently Daniel Andrews will be holding a live-to-TV presser at 9.15pm to respond to Napthine’s earlier presser….

    ..which reminds me..

    I’m out of popcorn.

  13. Andrew

    Napthine performs strongly in the media, but is weak on the tough issues.

  14. candy

    If I remember correctly, he stabbed Ted Baillieux in the back to become premier?

  15. Sinclair Davidson

    he stabbed Ted Baillieux in the back

    No. He inherited the premiership after Ted resigned.

  16. Tom

    Paul Murray is covering it. Daniel Andrews is having his 15 minutes of fame in the next few minutes. The Liarscum apparently about to be allowed to ransack the Victorian treasury again.

  17. candy

    No. He inherited the premiership after Ted resigned.

    No, he put Ted B. in a position where resigning was the only option to avoid strife.

  18. James B

    Duncan: I dunno, I work, my money is stolen from me to fund his salary and the salary of all the bureaucrats his government employs.

    I wouldn’t even mind him if he actually told people he was a big government phony and that his platform was to increase tax and regulate every aspect of our lives. But he doesn’t say that, he hides behind his “Liberal” bade and claims he wants smaller government.

    Everything he has done, just like O’FatFaggot, Barnett, Baird, Bailleu, and all the other phonies, has INCREASED the size of the state. Just vote Labor and be done with it, at least they’re somewhat honest.

  19. Johno

    What a choice. Denis Napthine or Daniel Andrews.

    Napthine is a Green Labor Lite who leads a lacklustre team with no notable achievements after three years in office.

    Andrews is backed by the CFMEU.

    Whoever wins, Victorians lose.

  20. Andrew

    Andrews giving supply to Napthine for the Budget to pass

  21. Tom

    Andrews to pass the LNP budget, but pushes for an early election. Geoff Shaw’s contempt proceedings should proceed.

  22. MemoryVault

    If they lost and were replaced by the Tasmanian Greens, who could tell the difference?

    I think you just wrote the definitive statement on the LNP, Infidel Tiger.
    Both at Federal level, and in ALL states.

  23. Sinclair Davidson

    Andrews is going to screw Napthine by bringing action against Shaw.

  24. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sadly Napthine got the same hospital pass that Baird got in NSW when O’Farrell bombed. Except Napthine has tried to do the right thing, and is about the only state Premier in Australia who has actually balanced his budget. Baird has already pooped his pants by doing Green impersonations and is looking as wet as a hamster going over Niagara Falls in a styrofoam cup.

  25. Sinclair Davidson

    Going to lodge a complaint with the anti-corruption commission.

  26. frederic

    Apart from your little tanty do you have anything constructive that can be achieved to suggest?

    Well I certainly don’t. I have had to reluctantly conclude that all politicians are the opposition and that I just need to ensure I am paying them as little as possible.

  27. Tom

    Will this slimebag Andrews be endorsed by the electorate? Voters are holding their nose.

  28. .

    The LDP from memory are weak in Victoria. It is the home of purists like Sukrit and Prodos! Give them full blown Randianism or Rothbardianism or give them death! If they get the wrong one, give them death as well!

  29. Infidel Tiger

    Labor 1.60
    Libs 2.30.

    Game over.

  30. Sinclair Davidson

    Andrews performing well.

  31. Slayer of Memes

    Interesting to see the two parties slogans.

    Lib/Nats: Building a better Victoria

    ALP: Under the Liberals, You’re on your own

    Does this suggest that even the ALP agree that they are more intrusive as a government than Lib/Nats would be?

  32. Sinclair Davidson

    . – oi. It is the home of Judith, Steve, the IPA, myself …

  33. Infidel Tiger

    ALP: Under the Liberals, You’re on your own

    Sounds fucking fantastic! Pity it’s a complete lie. Those bastards never ever leave you alone.

  34. Andrew

    Going to lodge a complaint with the anti-corruption commission.

    That is the most striking part of Andrews’s press conference. Doesn’t look great to be keeping those demands secret.

  35. .

    Is Victoria a shithole with curtialed civil liberties?

    In NSW, Boob Car got rid of unanimous jury verdicts and introduced the reversal of the burden of proof, whilst Fatty O Bazza removed the right to silence whilst detained and thus with Car’s burden of proof protocol, the presumption of guilt.

    The only mildly impressive Premier is the much loathed Colin Barnett.

  36. Tom

    I hope Napthine can pull it out of his ass. But it’s like hoping Roos’ Demons can beat Longmire’s Sydney Theatre-Goers.

  37. Infidel Tiger

    The only mildly impressive Premier is the much loathed Colin Barnett.

    Statist, big spending, budget blowing, illiberal arse.

  38. Slayer of Memes

    Even the most inexperienced journos are scalding Andrews for calling this a constitutional crisis… Andrews is getting flustered and back-tracking on calling it a crisis

  39. MemoryVault

    Does this suggest that even the ALP agree that they are more intrusive as a government than Lib/Nats would be?

    No. It plays on the fact that the recent LNP federal budget is generally seen as a jackboot in the face of everybody, regardless of personal circumstances or political leaning.

    Quite clever, really.

  40. Tom

    Andrews is lying his head off: “This is not a political fight.” FMD. Bwaa-hahaha.

  41. Andrew

    The only mildly impressive Premier is the much loathed Colin Barnett.

    Well Will Hodgman hasn’t had a chance to do anything right or wrong yet…

  42. JC

    Forget them, Sinc. Let them go. They’re the most despicable bunch of turds I’ve seen for a while. Spineless squid is what they are, Fuck’em.

  43. Slayer of Memes

    Andrews: “I’m not going to play political games, but if the Premier doesn’t do what I want him to do then I’m going to play political games…”

  44. JimmyB

    Any chance of a SA result for the hapless Victorians? but then again who gives a rat arse?…

  45. Infidel Tiger

    Is Andrews wearing an overcoat and a purple tie?

    He looks like a fucking commie.

  46. JC

    The LDP from memory are weak in Victoria. It is the home of purists like Sukrit

    Recall that little blowhard once saying there were only 7 libertarians in Australia… all his beta boy friends.

  47. JC

    Are there any Bolthead interlopers wanting to defend the Victorian Libs? Go on I fucking dare you.

  48. MemoryVault

    The only mildly impressive Premier is the much loathed Colin Barnett.
    Statist, big spending, budget blowing, illiberal arse.

    Home of the UWA, former home to “Professor Lewandowsky”, he of “Recursive Fury” infamy, and first state to ban e-cigarettes. Not to mention pulling an Anna Bligh, and running up a record debt while collecting record income in the form of mining royalties.

    Is there anybody in the LNP who can actually even SPELL the word “conservative”?

  49. Infidel Tiger

    Well I’m not sure Lewandosky is Barnett’s fault, but everything else is true.

  50. Slayer of Memes

    Sadly, as Paul Murray points out, the Libs are going to lose the Nov election (barring an absolute miracle) – and Victoria will have to deal with the consequences of that decision for 4 years.

    Also sadly, as IT and others have pointed out, it serves the Libs right for not actually behaving like a proper conservative (and Libertarian) government should, and just being a slightly less left-wing version of the ALP…

    The Libs truly do need a massive shake-up….. yet even if they lose I can’t see any major changes happening, which consigns we conservatives of this state to a choice of either picking a slightly liter version opf Labor every 4 years… or migrating.

  51. Andrew

    Are there any Bolthead interlopers wanting to defend the Victorian Libs? Go on I fucking dare you.

    Only state to have budget surpluses across every year of the forward estimates…that is my only defence. Or that they are better than all the other states

  52. JC

    Slayer

    If the LPD is not on the ballot, don’t vote. That’s what I’m doing. I’d rather lose and eye and ear before voting the Liars party though.

  53. Slayer of Memes

    JC, I’d like to defend the Victorian Libs…. but honestly, they are every bit as bad as you, IT, dot, et al have been saying.

    Libs deserve to be kicked out in November, but sadly they will not learn from their mistakes until they get another Jeff Kennett-style leader into the party and rebuild from the ground up.

  54. Mater

    Are there any Bolthead interlopers wanting to defend the Victorian Libs? Go on I fucking dare you.

    Well, they did put the wind up the turbine scammers. Admittedly, that was early in the piece.

  55. Slayer of Memes

    JC, sadly I have to agree with you. I cannot and will not vote Labor, and yet I cannot see any redeeming features that will see me voting Liberal…

    For the first time in my many, many years of voting (state and federally) and as much as it pains me to admit, I may actually end up casting a deliberately informal vote.

  56. JC

    Andrew

    That’s no big claim to fame. What they’ve done is allow the regulated imposts to go up by 5% despite the inflation rate being negligible and slowing down the rate of spending. Any retard could have done that.
    There’s not one single major thing they’ve done that could be considered even mildly supportive for commerce and in some ways they’ve been worse than the Liars. They didn’t lift a finger to remove the Fascist green tape for instance. Nothing. Let them swing from the trees. I’m fucking sick of being a battered wife to the bastards. I’m heading off to the equivalent of a women’s shelter vote wise.

  57. James B

    Minus the bikie laws Newman has been incredible. He’s literally in a class of his own compared to the other statist maggots. The QLD LNP in general is very good.

  58. MemoryVault

    I may actually end up casting a deliberately informal vote.

    and

    I’m heading off to the equivalent of a women’s shelter vote wise.

    Vote4Themm.

  59. daggers

    The thing about Baillieu, as Bolt once pointed out, is that by doing nothing while in office he brought the budget back to a surplus, making Victoria unique among the States.

  60. Slayer of Memes

    According to Twitter, Antony Green is on ABC24 commenting on the ‘Victorian Constitutional Crisis’ and saying of Andrews’ demands of Premier Napthine “That’s not how things work”.. Anyone watching and can comment (I refuse to pollute my home with ABCfilth)..

  61. Slayer of Memes

    Not sure I understand what you mean by ‘Vote4Themm” MV?

  62. JC

    The QLD LNP in general is very good.

    No they aren’t. They’re illiberal fascist buffoons.

  63. MemoryVault

    Minus the bikie laws Newman has been incredible.

    He’s planning to dig yet another billion dollar Tunnel to Nowhere FFS.
    Financed by throwing pensioners under a bus, which is apparently now standard LNP practice.

    The latest budget, announced today, puts the state even further in debt.
    Meanwhile my grandkids are STILL being shown Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” as a documentary on climate change, every three months in primary school.

  64. jupes

    Meanwhile my grandkids are STILL being shown Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” as a documentary on climate change, every three months in primary school.

    Every three months? Surely you jest.

  65. Andrew

    That’s no big claim to fame. What they’ve done is allow the regulated imposts to go up by 5% despite the inflation rate being negligible and slowing down the rate of spending. Any retard could have done that.
    There’s not one single major thing they’ve done that could be considered even mildly supportive for commerce and in some ways they’ve been worse than the Liars. They didn’t lift a finger to remove the Fascist green tape for instance. Nothing. Let them swing from the trees. I’m fucking sick of being a battered wife to the bastards. I’m heading off to the equivalent of a women’s shelter vote wise.

    Cutting spending from 8% growth rate to 3% certainly did contribute to that. Yes, accommodative monetary policy helped the state coffers through higher stamp duty revenue but they have cut spending down, which is more than what most states have done. I am not defending them outright, but they have done ok.

  66. MemoryVault

    Not sure I understand what you mean by ‘Vote4Themm” MV?

    Themm Nunnov will be running in every election, from now to the next federal election.
    He will also be running in every electorate.

    To vote for Themm, simply draw a square somewhere on your ballot paper.
    Put a ’1′ in it.
    Write Themm’s name next to the square the way the Electoral Commission does -
    Surname in capitals first, followed by Christian name. Hence:

    NUNNOV Themm.

    Don’t mark any other squares.
    Put ballot paper in ballot box.

    Easy.

  67. H B Bear

    The good people of Victoriastan should be given the opportunity to return to the warm embrace of their ALP fronted union puppets regime, to enjoy more of the quality government that gave them the Wonthaggi desal plant, Myki, Simon Overland, Christine Nixon and other outstanding example of public administration.

    A couple more terms could see the return of the Cain-Kirner golden years.

  68. Slayer of Memes

    MV, Ah-ha gotcha.

    I Have been told by some of my family that they have done similar in the past, except they used the words “None of the Above” as opposed to Mr Nunnov’s name ;)

  69. Infidel Tiger

    Only state to have budget surpluses across every year of the forward estimates…that is my only defence. Or that they are better than all the other states

    A surplus built on traffic fines and stamp duty theft. Way to go Victoria!

  70. Infidel Tiger

    I really am of the firm belief that this country needs Labor firm, hard and without lube.

    The great thing is there is no fucking cash left in any jurisdiction. There’s no surplus to blow. Next stop is a Euro style blowout. It’ll be a blast, but hopefully men won’t kiss each other hello and fall asleep at 3pm in the arvo.

  71. Slayer of Memes

    It’ll be a blast, but hopefully men won’t kiss each other hello and fall asleep at 3pm in the arvo.

    I dunno about that IT. Have you seen Kings Cross during the day?

  72. MemoryVault

    I dunno about that IT. Have you seen Kings Cross during the day?

    You mean men are falling asleep in Kings Cross at 3pm?

    Disgusting.

  73. .

    What kind of sick freak goes to King’s Cross during the day?

  74. Slayer of Memes

    MV, not only that but not all of them are the local winos….

  75. MemoryVault

    MV, not only that but not all of them are the local winos….

    To be honest, Slayer, I shouldn’t even be commenting.
    I have not been to Kings Cross in nearly 30 years.
    However, in my wasted youth I was a frequent visitor.

    But it was not until I read Dot’s comment above,
    that I realised I have never, ever been there in daylight hours.

  76. Apart from your little tanty do you have anything constructive that can be achieved to suggest?

    Join the LDP and get as many people as you can to register as members and be ready to say yes if their Electoral Commission ring you and ask if you’re an LDP member.

    It probably won’t change anything this time around, but it will make you feel better and not waste your vote.

    North East Victoria must be one of the prettiest parts of the country and I’d live there except two out of three of the otherwise sensible looking residents are raving loonie greens.

  77. Aristogeiton

    Sinclair Davidson
    #1332099, posted on June 3, 2014 at 9:20 pm
    Andrews is going to screw Napthine by bringing action against Shaw.

    Remember when the Opposition set a couple of taxi drivers up to assault Shaw on the steps of Parliament house? The Opposition accused him of being a thug, but he was exonerated by CCTV and mobile footage. The deadbeats ran straight up to the Opposition Leader’s officer after doing the deed and were sheltered there. Shaw acquitted himself like a boss. The man is smart enough to know he’s being fucked here.

  78. Craig Mc

    However wimpy the Libs have been, at least they haven’t blown $30B of our money on a white elephant – like the other mob will be itching to do again.

  79. Craig Mc

    A surplus built on traffic fines and stamp duty theft. Way to go Victoria!

    It’s dreadful until you realise the alternative is record deficits built on record revenues.

    The great thing is there is no fucking cash left in any jurisdiction. There’s no surplus to blow. Next stop is a Euro style blowout.

    The problem is they’ll make sure their mates get the spending, and you’ll be the one stuck with the blowout.

    Sorry, I’ve seen how conservative apathy two years ago has fucked America forever. I don’t want it here.

  80. MemoryVault

    Sorry, I’ve seen how conservative apathy two years ago has fucked America forever. I don’t want it here.

    You thought you had a choice???

  81. James B

    MemoryVault: “Muh pensioners”. Please town that statist shit down, you’ll get no support here.

    Yeah, the public transport tunnel is just retarded. It’s disappointing, but it’s only a small negative compared to all the positives. He’s going to entirely REPLACE the Sustainable Planning Act 2009 with a brand new one. So far they’ve capped infrastructure charges and removed all “urban growth boundaries” (which come from State Planning Regulatory Provisions Labor introduced) from every regional plan except the SEQ one, and the SEQ one is due to be updated soon — bets are they’ll remove all the State Planning Regulatory Provisions from that one too.

    They’ve sacked 14,000 public servants, checked the unions’ power through various new laws, scaled back land clearing laws and completely reformed the state environmental planning laws.

    They’ve also made it a mandatory 20 years minimum without parole for repeat sex offenders who engaged with children under 16. And they’re going to continue reforming the broken sentencing system.

    A decade or two of this and QLD will be back to Bjelke-Peterson-tier good.

  82. entropy

    Let’s see the detail of the Sustainable Planning Act replacement before we get too excited, James. No doubt the bureaucrats will have sneaked some rearguard poison pill in the regs that the pollies won’t sniff out before it is tabled. Also, what about Wild Rivers? Been repealed yet?or do they plan to replace it with something that does the same thing?

  83. Rossini

    Dissappointed in the liberals as I am, I couldn’t bring my self to vote for the Labor party.
    What with the money wasted on the desal plant ,myki. the water pipeline leading to no where,
    just to highlight a few money wasters that they foistered upon us

  84. Tom

    The LDP has a 2014 Victorian state election Facebook page.

  85. Tom

    The Oz leads with the Victorian constitutional crisis:

    VICTORIA is facing the serious prospect of an early election after rebel Liberal independent Geoff Shaw last night dumped his support for the minority Napthine government and pledged to back Labor in any no-confidence ­motion in the administration.

    While Premier Denis Napthine last night declared his government would not be held to ransom by Mr Shaw, Labor leader Daniel Andrews last night called on the Liberal leader to join him in meeting Governor Alex Chernov today to seek advice on how to resolve the state’s con­stitutional crisis.

    Mr Andrews declared Labor would pass the Napthine government’s budget but would not be drawn on whether Labor would move a motion of no confidence, which with Mr Shaw’s backing could force a vote on the government’s future by Thursday next week.

    Under the state’s con­stitution, if any no-confidence motion is passed and a vote of confidence in the premier and the government is not passed eight days later, the Legislative ­Assembly can be ­dissolved.

    Mr Chernov yesterday met Mr Andrews at Government House and discussed the crisis crippling the government, which faces the polls on November 29.

    Dr Napthine last night savaged Mr Shaw and challenged Labor to accept Mr Shaw’s vote next week.

    He accused Mr Shaw of making unreasonable demands this week to ensure that a vote was not held next week on whether to find him in contempt for rorting his parliamentary car and petrol ­allowances.

    He also accused Mr Shaw of previously demanding that a ­judicial appointment be made on Mr Shaw’s recommendation.

    “I can’t be held to ransom for those sorts of outrageous demands. From time to time, Mr Shaw has made other demands of the government, which we have not accepted,’’ he said.

    “That is outrageous, that is extreme, that is ludicrous, that is not tolerated by me as Premier — it would not be tolerated by the ­people of Victoria. And we say no to Mr Shaw.’’

    Mr Andrews said that Labor was ready to go to the polls. “I am ready to give Victorians a choice,’’ he said.

    He said there wasn’t any doubt that there was a constitutional crisis and a joint meeting for both leaders with the Governor was the right way forward, although convention is that the governor of the day takes the advice of the government.

    Dr Napthine is scheduled to travel to regional Victoria today and his office accused Mr ­Andrews of conducting a stunt.

    Mr Andrews said the opposition would not deal directly with Mr Shaw and the separate debate on whether Mr Shaw was in contempt of parliament for misusing his parliamentary car and petrol card should still be debated.

    He vowed to refer to the anti-corruption commission claims that Mr Shaw had a sought from the government a judicial ­appointment for a third party.

    The extraordinary events come after 3½ years of turmoil in the government, which involved a change of premier and intensified in March last year when Mr Shaw quit the Liberal-Nationals government and turned independent.

    Mr Shaw was last year found to have rorted his parliamentary car and petrol card for his private business use, but police fraud charges were dropped.

    Mr Shaw’s decision to dump the government was caused by a bitter row with former Liberal Speaker Ken Smith, who has vowed to back Labor next week in a separate motion designed to find Mr Shaw guilty of contempt of parliament over his misuse of his taxpayer-funded car and petrol card.

    Mr Shaw holds the balance of power in the 88-seat Legislative Assembly, with the numbers falling 43 to Labor and 44 to the ­Coalition and Mr Shaw.

    The Australian understands that Mr Shaw was “beside himself’’ on Monday, furious with the government for failing to stop Mr Smith from voting with Labor and potentially suspending or expelling him from the party over the privileges committee report into his misuse of his expenses.

    Mr Shaw said late yesterday that he had sought an assurance from Dr Napthine that Mr Smith would not vote with Labor in any vote to punish him. He said he had been unhappy with the response and could no longer trust the government.

    “And I will support a no-confidence motion in the Premier and in the government,’’ Mr Shaw told the ABC.

    “The government is saying they can’t control one of their own and it wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve had Ken Smith do that himself.’’

    The current fixed four-year term date for the election is Nov­ember 29.

    Under Victoria’s constitution, the Legislative Assembly must first pass a motion of no confidence in the premier and the other ministers. This would occur if Mr Shaw sided with Labor.

    Eight days must then pass and if a motion of confidence is not then passed in the premier and the government, the ­assembly can be dissolved.

    A Labor no-confidence motion with Mr Shaw’s backing would hand it 44 votes and the Liberal Speaker would not vote.

    If Mr Shaw were to quit politics this month, a by-election in his marginal seaside electorate of Frankston, about 40km southeast of Melbourne’s CBD, is still a live option, something the government would not relish.

    Mr Andrews has campaigned heavily on what he argues is the fact that Mr Shaw has rorted the system. Dr Napthine said last night Mr Andrews had long argued that he would not accept Mr Shaw’s vote.

    Mr Smith said last night he would not back down on his bid to have Mr Shaw made in contempt of the parliament over the misuse of his car. Dr Napthine has been attempting to force Mr Smith to back down on his attacks on Mr Shaw and his threat to support Labor in any contempt of parliament motion. Internally, Dr Napthine and other senior Liberals are furious with Mr Smith for triggering the constitutional crisis.

    Mr Smith is furious with Mr Shaw after Mr Shaw forced him out of the Speaker’s chair after a dispute over parliamentary security and an Ombudsman’s inquiry into Mr Shaw.

    Mr Shaw has said that he wants to contest the next election as an independent.

  86. Notafan

    Not voting Labor, not spoiling the ballot, family first going to field lower house candidates? Actually, if I were in Frankston I’d be tempted to vote for Shaw.

  87. JohnA

    I am disgusted at the spinelessness of the current Vic government, even in this, the pinkest State on the continent.

    The Libs are currently weeding out all those in their party whom the heavyweights call “the religious right” – those who stand for the tough moral issues – pro-life, freedom of speech etc. because they believe there are no votes in those issues.

    But there sure as hell are votes to lose. If the Libs remove all those so-called “religious nutters” then they will have policies that look so much like Labor that the electorate will probably say “what’s the point – may as well vote Labot: at least we know they will behave badly.”

    Geoff Shaw is the lightning rod MP at the moment. I don’t recall any previous cases of Parliament holding one of its members in contempt for fiddling his expenses, despite many making personal use of their parliamentary assets. So the Government is so stupid that they are bringing this on themselves.

    Do I want to vote for such a stupid rabble – no. What we need is a governor who (like Jeff Kennett did with the councils) can clear out the entire Parliament, appoint a three man commission and run the State properly.

    Julius Caesar where are you? Oh yeah, somebody got him in the rotunda. (not the original version, I know).

  88. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    It would seem this political Grub shaw is representing shaw not the people of Frankston electorate.
    Now if politicians only served one term in a lifetime ,this scenario would never arise,if there were no political parties we could get best members as ministers not the self serving aparatchiks.

  89. So the Trade Union Party leader will do the opposite of what he said previously, for an alleged fraudster.

    Mr Shorten’s party reforms have some way to go then.

    The Victorians deserve to get what they want, ‘Good and Hard’, as Mr Menken would say.

  90. Alfonso

    “a rogue MP threatening to bring down the State government with only 5 months to go before the next scheduled election.”

    Make my day, do it. Rewarding the Liberal fabians with 5 more months is indefensible.

  91. Tom

    Geoff Shaw is a petty crook straight out of Squizzy Taylor’s Melbourne. And the Liars are going to use him to get their hands on the Treasury loot again. Good and hard.

  92. incoherent rambler

    Napthine has no chance, whether or not he is responsible for all of the list below is beside the point. People vote with their wallets.

    . Speeding fines (road usage surcharge)
    . Water prices
    . Electricity prices
    . Gas Prices
    . Conversion of roadway to the despised bike paths
    . Stamp duty
    . We still have a desal plant
    . Major highways are shite
    . Add the rest of a very long list here…

    In true Victorian Lib style they have successfully managed to do something to annoy everyone.

  93. Helen

    Geoff Shaw is a thug. I think you can be strong conservative with morals – in arguing that he is a good hard right man, we are saying that good hard right is also fine to be immoral. No. Good hard right and Honest is what I want, not snouts in troughs.

    Having said that, if he honestly made an error in misuse of vehicle and fuel, why not put your hand up and say sorry, repay the loot? Why did he not do that? Pigheaded and obstructionist, and revenge.

  94. Token

    Well Will Hodgman hasn’t had a chance to do anything right or wrong yet…

    Approaching Boob Brown to be the face of Tasmanian tourism was a clusterf**k to the state.

    There is no way I would approach the mendicant state in a 100 years if the man who was calling for 1 world government was looking down at me from every tourist spot.

  95. Token

    Geoff Shaw is a petty crook straight out of Squizzy Taylor’s Melbourne

    Why did the Labor-Lite Party make him the endorsed candidate for a critical swing seat?

    Bolt & Price exposed an equally repugnant candidate in Seymour before the Vic election when they were on MTR. The state party needs to be cleaned out ASAP.

  96. Robert Blair

    Why do we no real choice in this Victorian election?

    Labor, or Labor-Lite. Or a minor party that will either never have any clout at all, or, if they join in a coalition will be screwed over by the big-party pros.

    Cultural shift. Most people actually want Labor or Labor-Lite. They want to looked after, and not have to make so many scary decisions.

    And this is an entirely planned process. Everyone raised in Victoria, who is under 45, has been given the Fabian Socialist indoctrination course.
    More importantly, they have been denied the precepts of classical Liberalism. The really important ones that hold the whole shebang up:

    Freedom of speech and association.
    Movement they’re still working on (but don’t trespass on any Indigenous land buddy)
    Trial by a jury of your peers
    Presumption of innocence
    Truth as a defence in speech crimes
    Rule of Law (retrospective laws violate the rule of law, vague, subjective laws ditto)

    Etc.

    Those not raised in Victoria are likely unaware of these ideas anyway.

    Now that those basic ideas are just about gone (ie, only a minority of voters think they are important) the Anacyclosis Anacyclosis can proceed full steam ahead.

    Keeping those classical ideas alive is important, but you guys are kidding yourselves if you think you can have any real impact this century. Stock up on bullion, whisky (or a still) and enjoy the show!

  97. Rabz

    A surplus built on traffic fines and stamp duty theft. Way to go Victoria!

    This earned me an hysterical denunciation as a leftist on Bolt’s site several weeks ago – I made exactly the same points above.

    Victorians deserve labor if they are stupid enough to re-elect them. Wonthaggi alone should have made labor unelectable for several decades at least.

    The only reason I would be concerned about labor being re-elected in Victoria (I have had a tourism and driving boycott of Victoria in place for over a decade) is that their unrelenting idiocy is contagious – every half baked greenfilth fascist totalitarian fart bubble the morons come up with is inevitably foisted on people across the country, once it’s already been foisted on the lobotomised leftist loons in Victoriastan.

    And if JC considers that a defence of the Victorian Liberals, then so be it.

  98. Gab

    Well done, Rabz, although comments like that elsewhere will cool the coffee. :)

  99. Token

    Wonthaggi alone should have made labor unelectable for several decades at least.

    How about the Baida protest? How about the CFMEU’s actions to Gro-con?

    The average Victorian is a statist who has their lips too firmly locked to the public teet to notice as their liberties being squandered. I say that as a Victorian refugee…

  100. Gab
    Wonthaggi alone should have made labor unelectable for several decades at least.

    How about the Baida protest? How about the CFMEU’s actions to Gro-con? The average Victorian is a statist who has their lips too firmly locked to the public teet to notice as their liberties being squandered. I say that as a Victorian refugee…

    The majority of Victorian voters are like those dogs, that after having been viciously beaten by their master, they come back for more in the hope of loving attention.

  101. Scotty

    Well, it is true the the current government has many failings, and all this talk of informal votes and they don’t deserve another a term and so on, is all very well, but what you must remember that any vote that doesn’t go to the LNP is just increasing the likelyhood of dooming Victoria to an Andrews Labor government…or another minority/balance of power debacle

    That would be a disaster from which we would suffer for a long long time, and as much as I want to slap the vic libs in the face, the alternative is much, much worse….

  102. Tom

    every half baked greenfilth fascist totalitarian fart bubble the morons come up with is inevitably foisted on people across the country, once it’s already been foisted on the lobotomised leftist loons in Victoriastan.

    And if JC considers that a defence of the Victorian Liberals, then so be it.

    Need I say more when Rabz has said it perfecty? The Vic election, whenever it is held, will be a referendum that will decide whether moochers voting for Free Stuff are now the majority in the Socialist Republic of Victoriastan. The Napthine government, while politically inept in a hostile media landscape denying him oxygen, is 10 times better than the leftist Baillieu rabble, even though I have to agree with IT that his balanced budget is built on random road taxes courtesy of speed cameras and stamp duty theft. But the moochers will vote out of self-interest and I fear they are now the majority of the electorate.

  103. incoherent rambler

    a disaster from which we would suffer for a long long time, and as much as I want to slap the vic libs in the face, the alternative is much, much worse….

    There is two issues here:
    Q1. Who deserves you vote and why
    Q2. What will be the result and why

    A1. none of them, because it is a choice between the industrial left and the latte left
    A2. ALP by a landslide. The industrial left will collect votes from the latte left. The party leaning furthest to the right is probably the ALP and rusted on ALP voters are, above all else, loyal.

  104. .

    The LDP is managing to compete in the 2014 Victorian election?

    I’m impressed purists and concern trolls have been slayed!

  105. Gab

    The LDP is managing to compete in the 2014 Victorian election?

    It is? I can’t find any mention of it on the website.

  106. MemoryVault

    Well, it is true the the current government has many failings, and all this talk of informal votes and they don’t deserve another a term and so on, is all very well, but what you must remember that any vote that doesn’t go to the LNP is just increasing the likelyhood of dooming Victoria to an Andrews Labor government

    So, the most compelling argument that can be offered in support of the Fiberals is –
    “they’re not quite as bad as the other mob”.

    Truly sad.
    And pathetic.

    Vote4Themm

  107. Robert Blair

    Dot:

    purists and concern trolls have been slayed

    Put me down as a concern troll.

    I think there are still a few technical hurdles to cover before LDP Victoria can register candidates. An early election may be a minor disaster for LDP Vic.

  108. Gab

    Thanks, Robert. I went to the ldp.org.au site.

  109. .

    Refer to the original comment at 9.25 yesterday.

    Anyway they seem to know they are unprepared right now.

  110. Rabz

    “they’re not quite as bad as the other mob”

    Quite so – ain’t idiocracy grand?

  111. goatjam

    If NUNNOV Themm is running candidates I hope that Mr Body No is too

    [1] NO, Body

  112. Robert Blair

    Dot:

    LDP from memory are weak in Victoria

    At least very dis-organised. If people following this blog don’t know what the LDP is doing for the Victorian election, then who does?

    Sometimes they remind me of Pinky & the Brain: What will do tonight Brain?

  113. James B

    LDP isn’t registered in Victoria, need more members.

  114. This earned me an hysterical denunciation as a leftist on Bolt’s site several weeks ago

    .

    Wow Rabz, who accused you of all people of being a leftist? Atilla the Hun?

  115. Rabz

    Wow Rabz, who accused you of all people of being a leftist? Atilla the Hun?

    BW, you can behold the unbelievable idiocy here (my commment is third down, 8:20am).

  116. john constantine

    a victorian election held before the royal commission into union corruption would be a disaster for the rural business community.

    it is bad now, but once the greenfilth get back into power, the simple right to live your own life will go, and the right to follow the emotional needs of university activists, populised through social media and the abc or be crushed by the power of the state will be imposed.

    the excitement among the greenfilth is a solid fog of hatred. the expectation that the new victorian greenfilth government will provide great jobs for hordes of greenfilth, employed to socially engineer correct thinking and behaviour is so high, they are celebrating already.

    permanent veganism as a political reality in victoria may still be decades away, but making money from providing meat for the working class is a business with a greenfilth sunset clause.

  117. john constantine

    the yes minister reality of rural shire in victoria, is that there are many rural shires that are medium term unsustainable in their current form.

    the second rate greenfilth that are too activist to get employed in urban areas somehow get sent/recruited to the vunerable rural areas.

    it is a constant battle for common sense, when you see rates exploding, services dwindling, but the shires department of climate change expanding, and public art installations celebrating the right way to think growing like magic mushrooms.

    the vengeance planned by the greenfilth in my local shire, when they get back in power in victoria is stalinesque.

  118. .

    Rabz
    #1334151, posted on June 5, 2014 at 8:23 am
    Wow Rabz, who accused you of all people of being a leftist? Atilla the Hun?

    BW, you can behold the unbelievable idiocy here (my commment is third down, 8:20am).

    Boltheads don’t really surprise me anymore given the immigration thread. Some criticism from conservative cats (thanks), some unhinged lunacy from the Boltheads.

  119. .

    John – I’ve thought about local politics. It is actually becoming worth fighting for because the enemy is so destructive.

    It is a sad day when the shire offices are worth running for, because they can fuck you over so hard.

  120. .

    Stuart replied to Rabz
    Wed 07 May 14 (11:41am)
    And your problem with fines are?

    Oh that’s right, someone is holding a gun to driver’s heads to make them speed, drive through red lights and otherwise endanger rational road users..

    Given the cost to the community of a fatal accident of around $1.4M and a quad or paraplegic is $4 to $5M over that persons life time I would have thought that on economics alone it’s better to have road safety to say nothing of the human misery caused.

    What a monstrous, totalitarian, little lickspittle fuckwit.

  121. incoherent rambler

    on economics alone it’s better to have no motor vehicles or roads.
    That would solve the problem

  122. .

    Well Stuart, champ, they have that in Pyongyang.

  123. Aristogeiton

    Today’s Australian is reporting that Labor and the Liberals are going to combine to expel Shaw. If true, this is a disgrace; contempt has been limited everywhere else because of the possibility of its use for nakedly political ends, and the last time contempt was used like this in Victoria was 1901. I’m sure this abuse of power will lead to the same outrage that the (lawful) dismissal of Gough Whitlam inspired.

    http://theconversation.com/explainer-geoff-shaw-and-contempt-of-parliament-in-victoria-27605

    http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/publications/research-papers/818-an-introduction-to-parliamentary-privilege/download

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