Malcolm for leader

Last night on PM Live Graham Richardson made the point that he was likely to get more votes in the Liberal caucus room than Malcolm Turnbull would. Harsh. Probably true right now – but that could change very quickly.

Anyway – Essential Media have done a preferred leader of the Liberal Party survey:

Malcolm for leader

Before anyone gets too excited – the support for Turnbull comes from non-Liberal voters.

I have been watching the spat between Andrew Bolt and Malcolm Turnbull with some interest. I’m not sure what Turnbull is up to, if anything, but it wouldn’t worry me if he was. After all if the PM is travelling well he would have nothing to worry about. If the PM is not travelling well, then others need to step up.

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157 Responses to Malcolm for leader

  1. Sean M

    There is no such thing as a Liberal caucus mate.

  2. Sinclair Davidson

    So who votes for the leader of the Liberal Party?

  3. Gab

    the support for Turnbull comes from non-Liberal voters.

    who will never ever vote Liberal even if Turnbull was leader.

  4. Rabz

    I’m not sure what Turnbull is up to, if anything, but it wouldn’t worry me if he was.

    Yes, but you haven’t seen those emails he has in his possession, Perfesser!

    Dynamite stuff, my connections tell me.

  5. Percy

    Someone else is clearly on the rise.

  6. Riverina Matt

    So who votes for the leader of the Liberal Party?

    It’s the partyroom for the Libs, rather than the caucus. It is a difference in terminology with some logic in that the ALP enforces bloc voting, i.e. “caucusing” and the coalition parties do not.

  7. Sinclair Davidson

    FFS – would ‘the Liberal Party room’ make people happier?

  8. Badjack

    If Libertarians think Turnbull is one of them then they are full of gross stupidity.
    Turnbull is for Turnbull, he would sell his soul to the highest bidder, he would fill his pockets from the commissions his banker mates would make from trading carbon credits. If there was a dollar to be had from Libertarians he will gets his grubby paws on it. Keep cheering him on and he will fleece you all.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    You think the Liberals have problems with their leader.

    In a national ballot of ALP members, Albanese kicked Shortens arse comprehensively. In keeping with their history of hating their members, the ALP ignored it.

  10. candy

    I’m not sure what Turnbull is up to, if anything, but it wouldn’t worry me if he was.

    So you approve of disloyalty and backstabbing?

  11. Badjack

    So bug a lugs who runs Essential rang around his Labor mates for the survey and then decided to use white pages for a few more to make it legit.

  12. Percy

    Keep cheering him on

    Who’s cheering him on? Not much support for Turncoat in these parts.

  13. MemoryVault

    If Libertarians think Turnbull is one of them then they are full of gross stupidity.

    We have several flavours of Libertarians here, but I doubt you’ll find any of them cheering for Turnbull.

    Turnbull is for Turnbull, he would sell his soul to the highest bidder, he would fill his pockets . . .

    Oh. So you mean he is a typical party politician . . .

  14. egg_

    If the PM is not travelling well, then others need to step up.

    Yup, unless they enjoy opposition…
    But it was Staples’ budget wot dunnit.

  15. Vicki

    Laura Tingle delivered the memorable line on The Drum that senior Liberal Party MPs would rather eat ground glass than see Malcolm Turnbull lead the Liberal Party again.

  16. OldOzzie

    Malcolm Turnbull is Malcolm Fraser, Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Martin Hamilton-Smith all rolled into one – pure Labor Party Man

  17. whyisitso

    So you approve of disloyalty and backstabbing?

    I’ve seen all this before – former right of centre people turning sharply to the left – Malcolm Fraser is far from the only example. It’s time you all woke up to watermelon Davidson.

  18. If the Labour and Green votes favour Turnbull, it is a good sign that he is not the sort of Liberal leader we want.

  19. candy

    I’ve seen all this before – former right of centre people turning sharply to the left – Malcolm Fraser is far from the only example.

    I’m aware of that whyisitso – but why do you think that happens – it’s such a sharp turn.

  20. egg_

    but why do you think that happens – it’s such a sharp turn.

    The same as what’s happened to Abbott – the need to be liked by all and sundry.

  21. tgs

    It’s time you all woke up to watermelon Davidson.

    Translated: Sinclair didn’t agree with me on something! Waaaahhhhh!

  22. Grigory M

    So – is Turnbull now openly preparing for an attempted leadership coup while Abbott is (very soon) away overseas? He would hardly be doing this without having tested the extent of support for it – which raises the question of who his backers might be. And, if he replaces Abbott as Prime Minister – what other ministerial changes would occur? In particular, who would be Treasurer – and would there be a mini/revised Budget to try to fend off a denial of Supply leading to a possible new Election? (Shorten has become quite strident in his public statements that Labor will vote against most of the current Budget).

  23. JC

    What’s the emails thing about, Rabz.

    Don’t leave in suspense.

  24. Grigory M

    So bug a lugs who runs Essential rang around his Labor mates for the survey and then decided to use white pages for a few more to make it legit.

    Wishful thinking.

  25. MemoryVault

    Just in case you all thought Malcolm was on his lonesome – latest headline:

    Greg Hunt welcomes Obama plan to slash CO2 emissions from power plants

    Greg Hunt welcomes Barack Obama’s plan to slash power carbon emissions
    by 30 per cent, hopes measures will influence global climate action

    With fuckwits like these, who needs an opposition?

  26. Rabz

    JC – I was informed they were paper copies of important top secret emails that fell off the back of a ute.

  27. harrys on the boat

    Can someone dig around for the polling figures when Turnbull was leader? Rudd was kicking his arse such was his incompetence.

  28. .

    A second hand ute, rabz?

    ‘Essential Media’

    Next!

  29. H B Bear

    If Turnbull ever gets as far as a spill (which I seriously doubt he ever will) expect another run out wide by an outsider like Abbott did to Hockey last time.

    Tip – the next leader won’t be Turnbull or Hockey.

  30. Fleeced

    So you approve of disloyalty and backstabbing?

    I certainly don’t, candy – and I disliked Turnbull from the outset – but I also dislike the disloyalty and backstabbing that Tony Abbott perpetrated on the Australian voters.

  31. Craig Mc

    I fully support Turnbull being made leader of the ALP.

  32. Tintarella di Luna

    I fully support Turnbull being made leader of the ALP.

    Me too I’d vote for it

  33. egg_

    If Mal met Albo, would they go out for a bit of Thai?

  34. Gab

    Malbo. Like JLo and Bennifer.

  35. Fibro

    Maybe, just maybe, someone might show this to Aboott with the right message:

    The Greens hate you, the ALP hate you, the Climate Changers hate you, the luvvies and basket weavers hate you, so why do you continue to pander to them? They are not going to vote for you regardless of what you do. Shut them down. Stop their funding. Stop answering to them.

    If you get voted out next election so be it, but stop being a soft c ock to those who support you in the first place.

  36. manalive

    It’s time you all woke up to watermelon Davidson …

    Hmmm, he has used Gillard’s euphemism ‘carbon price’ and does think “her intentions behind her broken [carbon tax] promise are noble” (On the GP tax and medical research rort).
    Go figure.

  37. Baldrick

    Can someone dig around for the polling figures when Turnbull was leader? Rudd was kicking his arse such was his incompetence.

    Preferred PM:
    Newspoll (September 19-21, 2008): Kevin Rudd – 54%, Malcolm Turnbull – 24%
    Nielsen (September 18-20, 2008): Kevin Rudd – 56%, Malcolm Turnbull – 33%
    Newspoll (November 27-29, 2009): Kevin Rudd – 65%, Malcolm Turnbull – 14%
    Nielsen (November 27-28, 2009): Kevin Rudd – 67%, Malcolm Turnbull – 21%

    Newspoll (December 4-6, 2009): Kevin Rudd – 60%, Tony Abbott – 23%
    Nielsen (February 4-6, 2010): Kevin Rudd – 58%, Tony Abbott – 31%
    Newspoll (June 18-20, 2010): Kevin Rudd – 46%, Tony Abbott – 37%
    Nielsen (June 3-5, 2010): Kevin Rudd – 49%, Tony Abbott – 39%

  38. Rabz

    Malbo.

    LOL. “We shall never speak of this again.”

  39. Demosthenes

    The media are going to try their darndest to create some leadership tension, but I doubt the Liberals will be as stupid as Labor and ditch their leader before the next election.

  40. calli

    Malbo. Like JLo and Bennifer.

    Or Easybull. Works on the character level, anyways.

  41. Rabz

    Newspoll (November 27-29, 2009): Kevin Rudd – 65%, Malcolm Turnbull – 14%
    Nielsen (November 27-28, 2009): Kevin Rudd – 67%, Malcolm Turnbull – 21%

    Now that’s what I call “a beautiful set of numbers”.

  42. TonyOrlando

    What you really want to know is not is Malcolm Turnbull more popular in the party room or with the rusted on Liberal party member. But is he more popular in the cohort of voters deserting the Coalition in droves?

    So if the Coalition support continues to contract and support for Tony Abbot paradoxically rises amongst (the remaining) coalition supporters, then you know that Turnbull has the strongest appeal for the swinging voters.

    Of course it is possible that if Malcolm Turnbull was drafted back that Fisk would be so outraged he would vote Green……This is a definite risk the coalition would need to keep in mind. Having said that I think Abbot will lead the party into the next election and will probably win.

  43. Tintarella di Luna

    Look I’m just asking and I am not a trouble-maker at all but seeing as we are on the subject of Malcolm Turnbull — wasn’t Peta Credlin Malcolm Turnbull’s Chief of Staff?

  44. Yobbo

    “Someone else” is likely to be Cory Bernadi, who is by far the most favoured member among the Christian right wing of the Liberal party.

  45. Joe Goodacre

    If Turnbull becomes leader of the Liberals, the Liberals will have effectively become Labor lite.

    David Cameron’s split of the conservative vote to UKip is an example of what would happen here.

    Liberals by appealing to the left would cease to become a viable voice of the right and would eventually be eaten up by an alternative. We’d be stuck with Labor governments in between. Let’s hope Liberal politicians don’t do anything stupid.

  46. Aristogeiton

    Demosthenes
    #1331616, posted on June 3, 2014 at 4:36 pm
    The media are going to try their darndest to create some leadership tension, but I doubt the Liberals will be as stupid as Labor and ditch their leader before the next election.

    Where’s Samuel J when you need him?

  47. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1331646, posted on June 3, 2014 at 4:50 pm
    [...]
    Liberals by appealing to the left would cease to become a viable voice of the right and would eventually be eaten up by an alternative. We’d be stuck with Labor governments in between. Let’s hope Liberal politicians don’t do anything stupid.

    So says the biggest advocate of the Libs capitulating to the left.

  48. Aaron

    Look I’m just asking and I am not a trouble-maker at all but seeing as we are on the subject of Malcolm Turnbull — wasn’t Peta Credlin Malcolm Turnbull’s Chief of Staff?

    I think she was his Deputy CoS and Brendan Nelson’s before then.

    Those polling numbers Baldrick found are probably a good clue why many in the Liberal Party wouldn’t vote for Malcolm. Plus there’s the new backbenchers who got there under Abbott’s campaigning and support (similar to those MP’s first elected in ’96 and continually supported Howard against Costello). Turnbull was never made for loyalty, he’s continually leaked and destabilised every leader he served under and proved colossally incompetent when he took the reigns himself.

  49. Tintarella di Luna

    Poll on the Sydney Morning Herald site (yes I got my feet dirty)

    75% for Malcolm Turnbull
    8% for Tony Abbott
    1% for Julie Bishop
    3% for Joe Hockey
    13% for someone else

    That’s it then – Malcolm Turnbull Prime Minister of Fauxfaxstan

  50. Infidel Tiger

    “Someone else” is likely to be Cory Bernadi, who is by far the most favoured member among the Christian right wing of the Liberal party.

    Bernardi believes in low taxes and small government. He’s preferable to anyone else in their ranks.

  51. Tintarella di Luna

    …colossally incompetent when he took the reigns himself.

    Excellent summary and yes Peta Credlin was his deputy CoS – Turnbull is a smart man but it takes more than that to be a leader.

  52. Tom

    Essential:

    Among Liberal/National voters, 43% (up 7%) prefer Tony Abbott, 27% (down 8%) Malcolm Turnbull and 11% (down 2%) Joe Hockey.

  53. TonyOrlando

    Among Liberal/National voters, 43% (up 7%) prefer Tony Abbott, 27% (down 8%) Malcolm Turnbull and 11% (down 2%) Joe Hockey.

    See – as Coalition support contracts, support for Tony Abbott rises…..

  54. Aristogeiton

    Tom
    #1331666, posted on June 3, 2014 at 5:04 pm
    Essential:

    Among Liberal/National voters, 43% (up 7%) prefer Tony Abbott, 27% (down 8%) Malcolm Turnbull and 11% (down 2%) Joe Hockey.

    Cui bono? Who would benefit the most from the cannibalisation of the Liberal base? Clive Palmer, that’s who. Malcolm Turnbull is what Keating once described as a “tuppeny bunger”.

  55. Joe Goodacre

    There’s a difference between proposing that repealing s18C arguments don’t start with a right to be a bigot and Turnbull and his pro price on carbon and big ABC ways.

  56. Eddystone

    If Malcolm rolls Tony, the Libs will find the flood of protest in 2009 will seem like a gentle brook compared to the tsunami that will hit them.

    It will basically be the end of the Libs. (NTTAWWT.)

  57. tomix

    Apart from being in the wrong House, Cory Bernardi was once a publican. But let’s say he’s now PM.

    Try to imagine the continuing furore if he’s found to have ever ejected an obnoxious female drunk.

  58. outsider

    Thanks Baldrick.
    The left had it made – or so they thought, with serial easybeats Nelson and Turnbull. Abbott simply has to behave in the PM job as he did in opposition – centre-right voters (those who decide who wins) in the Anglosphere want a leader they can respect and who respects them. Abbott must act accordingly, and not be too nice about it.
    Bolt has flushed out Palmer and Turnbull, doing the job for Abbott and Co, so that is where we sit. Bolt wants the spotlight on Palmer, good. He must not be allowed to portray himself as acceptable.

  59. Ant

    No Labour voter is going to vote for Turnbull.

    It’s like me being asked who I prefer as Labor leader: Bill Shorten, Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard or a horse’s arse.

    I’d naturally go for the most competent and there’s little doubt as to which is the best endowed for the job.

    Therefore, such surveys are a complete waste of space.

  60. Squirrel

    I doubt very much whether the people whose votes decide federal election outcomes will take kindly to a Liberal Party which emulates the leadership fiascos of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd era. Such folk would very likely conclude that the Liberals are no more “grown-up” than Labor, and, noting that most punters get more free stuff under Labor, would happily put an unreconstructed, unrepentant Labor Party back in power after only one term in the sin-bin. In so many ways, that would be an awful outcome for the nation – it would then only be a matter of time before the international financial markets delivered a very painful (and in some respects, long overdue) walloping to what passes for our economy.

    All of that said, I thought it was noteworthy that yesterday’s answer to the regular Dorothy Dixer question to the Minister for Stopping the Boats received a rather wide-ranging reply, which covered the full range of Government activities and achievements. It was the sort of reply, in chorus and refrain format, which, in earlier days, would have been given by Peter Costello……

  61. harrys on the boat

    What about Turnbull defecting to the Palmer Party? I wouldn’t put anything past this bunch of despicable fuckers.

    Bernardi may well be low taxes and small government, but apparently so was bloody Abbott.

  62. egg_

    Excellent summary and yes Peta Credlin was his deputy CoS – Turnbull is a smart man but it takes more than that to be a leader.

    He also instated Pyne in the shadow cabinet for the first time.
    Abbott’s toast, I doubt he’ll last til Xmas, regardless of the challenger, they can’t continue on such numbers.

  63. Rabz

    What about Turnbull defecting to the Palmer Party?

    That is a scenario that is truly beyond parody.

  64. Cheryl

    Squirrel. It was the same with Morrison today.

    I picked this up yesterday as well. Maybe just my wishful thinking as I see Morrison as a potential leader.

  65. Infidel Tiger

    Bernardi may well be low taxes and small government, but apparently so was bloody Abbott.

    I reckon we chuck them out every two weeks until we find one who is.

  66. Jannie

    Turnbull is not that clever. He monumentally screwed up the Gretch business and was able to avoid much scrutiny because he lost the leadership. He does not seem to be a team player and shows little promise as a future leader. I suppose Abbott judges that Tunrbull is better off pissing from inside the tent out, but Abbotts judgement is looking more and more questionable over a range of issues – especially his predeliction for pandering to the Left.

  67. tomix

    Amove to Turnbull could kybosh any plans the Qld LNP might have to send Campbell Newman to Canberra after the State election.
    Palmer would be aware of any such long term plans.

  68. egg_

    Bernardi may well be low taxes and small government…

    Gave a good, disciplined appearance on Q&A IMHO.

  69. Gab

    Malcolm is better suited to being a King somewhere, outside Australia.

  70. calli

    What about Turnbull defecting to the Palmer Party?

    That is a scenario that is truly beyond parody.

    So it’s on then?

  71. Gab

    I would not even raise an eyebrow if Malcolm defected to the PUP but then he’d have to topple Clive, and that would be a hefty task. Two such massive egos could not be in the same party.

  72. Aristogeiton

    Gab
    #1331726, posted on June 3, 2014 at 5:40 pm
    I would not even raise an eyebrow if Malcolm defected to the PUP but then he’d have to topple Clive, and that would be a hefty task. Two such massive egos could not be in the same party.

    You’d need a lot of rope, for starters.

  73. Percy

    So it’s on then?

    Send him over. The PUPtanic sinking under the weight of those two egos would hardly be a tragedy.

  74. calli

    then he’d have to topple Clive, and that would be a hefty task.

    They could always do Bentleys at dawn in Centennial Park.

    I wonder who would be ‘pinked’ first?

  75. Squirrel

    Cheryl

    #1331713, posted on June 3, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    Squirrel. It was the same with Morrison today.

    I picked this up yesterday as well. Maybe just my wishful thinking as I see Morrison as a potential leader.

    For all sorts of reasons, including the ones I mentioned earlier, I think they should stick with the PM they’ve got – but if the situation truly becomes irretrievable (long way from that yet, I reckon), Morrison has the advantage of being identified with a policy which middle Australia would be rather happy with, and would support in the privacy of the ballor box – even if some fine details might make for uncomfortable conversations with vocally Lefty friends and relatives. On the economy and fiscal management – which is THE issue for any government in coming years – I think Morrison would be at least as effective as any of the alternatives in getting the message across to the punters that the days of Magic Pudding spending cannot go on, and thus unpalatable choices must be made.

  76. gabrianga

    Why wasn’t Turnbull at Minerals Council Annual Dinner instead of going Chinese with Parkinson ?

    Surely he was invited as is the custom?

    Lack of “communication” between Lord Wentworth and the mining industry or perhaps his green credentials would be at risk?

  77. Dave Wane

    As Rowan Dean commented on Q&A (more or less): Malcolm Turnbull would be the best leader the ALP ever had.

    Of course Turnbull is another Kevin Rudd type. However unlike Rudd, Turnbull has been highly successful in business. Rudd has not. Instead, just another smart-arsed, taxpayer-funded, bureaucrat.

    On the other hand, Rudd’s wife, also a former public servant like Kevin, could see a business opportunity in the Howard Government’s policy of sub-contracting the provision of employment services. She created a successful business .

    Back to Turnbull: successful as he was in business, and whilst a far wiser economic individual than Rudd, is still way too far on the side of Big Government, and all high taxation, excessive regulation as well as all the other the “diseases” that comes with it.

    If Turnbull could lead the Labor Party to somewhere near where the current Coalition philosophy stands, and the Coalition could fully embrace a far more freedom-loving, free-market, limited regulation, small government , low taxation position, then Australia would have a good chance of producing a far more prosperous and competitive economy.

    All obvious to most people here, but had to say it.

  78. When Turnbull was opposition leader, he couldn’t find anything to disagree with Labor on. If he were to become PM, he would have to hire Shorten or Milne as a policy advisor.

  79. Notafan

    I’m betting on Mr Abbott yet again doing a good job representing Australia internationally. He has a hostile media despite the Murdoch666.
    Turnbull being the minister responsible for overseeing the ABC, which ought to have capacity for significant cost reductions and being involved in friends of the ABC is a conflict in interest that is decidedly odd to me.

  80. The Hunted Mind

    If Turnbull becomes leader of the Liberals, the Liberals will have effectively become Labor lite.

    Lol. Become?

  81. …but then he’d have to topple Clive, and that would be a hefty task.

    I’ll say. Even if he topples over, he’d still be standing up!

  82. Baldrick

    Gab
    #1331723, posted on June 3, 2014 at 5:38 pm
    Malcolm is better suited to being a King somewhere, outside Australia.

    Like Tasmania?

  83. MemoryVault

    What about Turnbull defecting to the Palmer Party?

    Unlikely.
    Far more likely is Palmer offering a formal agreement with the Fiberals to support the government on important issues in the Senate, starting with Supply, provided Turnbull is PM.

    Such an agreement would probably need to be thrashed out with some input from Treasury on the more contentious issues. Maybe they could all get together over dinner.

    Oh, wait . . .

  84. egg_

    If Turnbull becomes leader of the Liberals, the Liberals will have effectively become Labor lite.

    Lol. Become?

    +1

    That’s been my point for weeks.

  85. egg_

    MemoryVault
    #1331784, posted on June 3, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    Yup, methinks more than Peking Duck was being discussed with the Treasury Deputy.

  86. Eyeguy

    FFS!!! This site is becoming a typically leftie hate site! Sooooooo TA upsets a precious little academic like Sinc and his rabid right wing wing nuts and all hell breaks loose! The last few articles on the health system show how myopic you guys are in your outlook. I WORK in the sector as a private practitioner and have to deal with both rich and poor and all you lot can bleat on about is whether it is a tax or not! Who give a Fuck!! All that matters is that the blood suckers finally realize that I am FED UP with paying for them, and if TA can get them to grow up ( evens slowly and through evolutionary change) then that’s fine by me.
    honest to God, you people are losing me as a fan. This site is looking more like Crikey and Fairfax every day…stop being armchair academics and GROW UP!!!

  87. Gab

    oooh, someone didn’t take their mood stabilisers today.

  88. Tom

    Turnbull is not that clever.

    Well, he’s actually very bright, but ego is the killer that destroys intellect, commonsense and leadership ability. Lord Wentworth would run rings around Morro intellectually, but I know who I’d rather be in the trenches with in World War I.

  89. .

    Sooooooo TA upsets a precious little academic like Sinc and his rabid right wing wing nuts and all hell breaks loose!

    Yes, how left wing of him…LOL

  90. .

    All that matters is that the blood suckers finally realize that I am FED UP with paying for them, and if TA can get them to grow up ( evens slowly and through evolutionary change) then that’s fine by me.
    honest to God, you people are losing me as a fan. This site is looking more like Crikey and Fairfax every day…stop being armchair academics and GROW UP!!!

    What a right wing, lunatic point of view…just like a left wing hater.

  91. Aristogeiton

    Well, it’s not a tax, but the money saved is squandered on a boondoggle. So I suppose it hardly matters.

  92. JC

    Eyeguy

    Look specs, if you’re a doctor as you claim, I’d be more than a little concerned about you. Doctors should very detail oriented and your comment was error ridden. Pick it up son.

    Some of us here despise Abbott and the Libs for being spineless squid and attack them from the right… something they so richly deserve. One thing the disgusting Liars Party never does is treat their core constituency like shit. The libs do and deserve nothing but contempt.

  93. candy

    This site is looking more like Crikey and Fairfax every day…stop being armchair academics and GROW UP!!!

    Never mind, eyeguy, Tony Abbott will probably succeed, it just takes time. I believe in him.

    And then Prof. D. will have to suck it up (as they say in the classics).

  94. egg_

    stop being armchair academics

    The 2PP is at the point where the marginals may have to decide between ‘proven failure versus potential disaster’.

  95. Mr Skeletor

    It’s time you all woke up to watermelon Davidson …

    Hmmm, he has used Gillard’s euphemism ‘carbon price’ and does think “her intentions behind her broken [carbon tax] promise are noble” (On the GP tax and medical research rort).
    Go figure.

    He was also going on about how bad it was for the government to chase HECS (or whatever the fuck it’s called now) debt on death. It wasn’t really a ‘debt’ according to Sinc.

    I think Eyeguy is right. Cat’s hung too close to the universities and become infected with the sooky, NIMBY, perpetual outrage of the left. Once Infidel Tiger calls for a sit in protest it will be all over.

  96. Tom

    I WORK in the sector as a private practitioner

    To the doctor’s wife’s husband, the purpose of this site is not to barrack for the Liberal Socialists, who have merely continued the out-of-control spending of the Liars-Greenfilth. Hockey’s 2014-15 spending of $415 billion is identical to the number that Swan Wand had in the 2014-15 forward estimates, when the LNP told their true believers they were for lower taxes and smaller government. Costello’s last budget, loaded as it was with election-year payola, spent $236 billion.

    The government is out of control. The LNP does not represent the same constituency that Howard and Costello represented. They were moderates. Abbott and Hockey are big government extremists. It’s not theoretical: why do you think the economy is tanking? It is because the government has its hands in people’s pockets even deeper than the Greenfilth, the Lying Slapper, the Little Shit and Shane Wand.

  97. JC

    Rabz

    What do the emails pertain to? A little more elaboration please

  98. Maybe Turnbull was meeting with Clive to draft him into the Libs as the new PM? ;)

  99. TonyOrlando

    Well, you reap what you sow.
    Having spent 4 years going on about broken promises they no longer get their bums on the treasury benches when they turn out to be the government that Labor warned they would be all along.

    The only budget emergency was due to the their dodgy costings – full of supply side economics including a company tax cut that was going to cost virtually no money because of all the extra taxes from the resulting surging economic growth would be pouring in. Surprise, surprise, that was just a fairy tale.

    The only reason the Treasury didn’t blow the whistle on them during the election campaign is the senior bureaucrats could see the way the electoral wind was blowing and wanted to keep their high paying public sector jobs….

  100. I don’t think Rabz was serious about the emails, JC – he was just referencing the Grech saga.

  101. candy

    Tom, I’m fairly sure I heard joe Hockey in Question Time today say they would be near surplus in 2018?

    I mean, you’ve got have to more confidence that the Libs will achieve surplus than Labor – all those promises by Wayne Swan, just pie in the sky.

  102. .

    The only budget emergency was due to the their dodgy costings – full of supply side economics

    Imbecile.

    They wrote a budget that was 99.78% of the 2013 estimates of the 2014 budget, and they are increasing taxes on larger companies, increasing income taxes and excise tax.

    Never forget you’re lying imbecile, Tony.

  103. TonyOrlando

    and they are increasing taxes on larger companies

    Not as far as I am aware, they just aren’t extending to them a tax cut that they are giving to smaller firms. Or rather they give it to them and then take it away again with the PPL levy – net change zero.

  104. Grigory M

    Well – I could be wrong. All this public posturing by Turnbull and the reciprocal love and affection from the ABC could easily mean that his future does not lie with the Liberal Party at all. Rather, he may in fact be the Opposition Leader-in-waiting and therefore, potential future Prime Minister in another Labor Government if that avenue becomes open from the blocking of Supply.

  105. JC

    Grigory

    Stop barking at the moon as I don’t think it’s full this evening.

  106. egg_

    Senior Liberal official joined Clive Palmer, Malcolm Turnbull, and Treasury boss Martin Parkinson at intimate Canberra dinner:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-29/clive-palmer-dinner-with-malcolm-turnbull/5486038

    Much self-interest for Clive methinks, given that the Minerals Council meeting had just concluded? before Clive reportedly joined them at the Chinese restaurant dinner that was already underway.

  107. TonyOrlando

    Who wouldn’t want to have dinner with Clive Palmer? He is one of the very short list of MPs who would make an entertaining company.

  108. Gab

    Who wouldn’t want to have dinner with Clive Palmer?

    Me. He’s a bore and a boor who talks incessantly about how wonderful he is and the world would be a better place if only he was Emperor.

  109. TonyOrlando

    Me. He’s a bore and a boor who talks incessantly about how wonderful he is and the world would be a better place if only he was Emperor.

    I wasn’t suggesting setting up house with him. Lots of egomaniacs can be entertaining company in short bursts. I think.

  110. Gab

    Whatever. I prefer authentic people not fake ones like Palmer.

  111. Gab

    Birdie would be an entertaining dinner companion.

  112. Demosthenes

    Who wouldn’t want to have dinner with Clive Palmer?

    I’d have to reinforce my dining chairs.

  113. custard

    Prediction :

    The next best thing that will happen to the Liberal party in the course of this or maybe next term will be the elevation of Christian Porter to the front benches if not a leader.

    Cheers

  114. Anita

    If there is a challenge and miraculously Turnbull becomes PM, I will never ever support the Libs. I will be happy to pay the $50 fine for not voting. As we say from where I come from, Turnbull is a snake in the grass.

  115. calli

    I’d have dinner wiv Clive…as long as he was paying.

  116. Infidel Tiger

    Tom, I’m fairly sure I heard joe Hockey in Question Time today say they would be near surplus in 2018?

    Hockey won’t be Treasurer in 2016, let alone 2018. That prediction is as fanciful as anything Swanny lied about.

  117. Gab

    Good point. Has Malcolm said anything about Clive’s misogynistic attack on Credlin?

  118. will

    Apart from being in the wrong House, Cory Bernardi was once a publican. But let’s say he’s now PM.

    Try to imagine the continuing furore if he’s found to have ever ejected an obnoxious female drunk.

    or worse, a Mordy type “pale” aboriginal

  119. Fisky

    @Tom – sound instinct can make up 20 IQ points at least, just as some of the smartest people can be reduced to borderline retards in certain situations. Pauline Hanson’s cat has more political smarts than Turnbull.

  120. M eanwhile, eyes have gone off the other play. Over the past 48 hours, Clive Palmer has acted to ensure that Peta Credlin will keep her job.

  121. … immediately after lunch with Turnbull.

  122. candy

    Geez, Aussiepundit, you read too much into things.

    Clive Palmer simply hates Tony Abbott/Libs and he thought this particular attack would garner him applause, as Tony Abbott is being massacred left right and centre and he thought he’d jump in on the action.

    You know – there are many people who insist on kicking someone when they are down …

  123. you’re probably right, Candy. but if you can’t come here and idly speculate, where can you?

  124. egg_

    M eanwhile, eyes have gone off the other play. Over the past 48 hours, Clive Palmer has acted to ensure that Peta Credlin will keep her job.

    Clive was likely doing what he does best – looking after himself (his Mining Biz, in particular) – the rest is likely a smoke screen for the meeja ‘chooks’.

  125. Grover

    One of the problems with Abbot is that he just doesn’t seem to have the quick wit and sharp tongue that an effective politition needs . There is so much opportunity to give it to the deadshits he faces everyday .
    At least people like Bernadi can face up to QandA and give a bit back .
    All Tony can do is sit on Bolts show with a silly smile on his face while Bolt fights his battles for him.
    It’s a bit pathetic really.

  126. Sack him, Tony. Sack him five minutes ago and expel him from the Liberal Party. Sack him like you should have sacked him the day you rolled him.

  127. anita

    “One of the problems with Abbot is that he just doesn’t seem to have the quick wit and sharp tongue that an effective politition needs .”
    Increasingly, the twitter world and MSM set the political standards. Policies for the betterment of the country does not mean anything anymore. Daily events like the Drum and the Conversation seem to decide the fate of conservative governments. By the way, who was the Labor hack who fed the American today show with the Abbott hate script? Madam whats her face?

  128. By the way, who was the Labor hack who fed the American today show with the Abbott hate script?

    It’s straight out of the Labor playbook; this is what they do with twitter. Get traction on twitter then point to twitter as an example of external validation.
    In this case, feed an American comedy show unflattering footage of Abbott, then when it airs the footage, point to the TV show as external validation of their opinions of Abbott.

    The Libs don’t do this kind of thing at all. In terms of media manipulation, the left are running rings around them.

  129. Eh? Cory Bernardi is a former publican?
    I’m starting to like him more already. :)

  130. tomix

    That’s what the blurb on his book says. I’m guessing it’s an Adelaide pub.

  131. tomix

    egg @ 9.24

    the rest is likely a smoke screen for the meeja ‘chooks’.

    The Bjelke- Petersen media method still works well.

  132. Grigory M

    if you can’t come here and idly speculate, where can you?

    Dunno, Aussiepundit – see JC #1331936, posted on June 3, 2014 at 7:49 pm.

  133. .

    The Libs don’t do this kind of thing at all. In terms of media manipulation, the left are running rings around them.

    Gillard and Rudd did this literally 24/7 and look where it got them.

    I would not worry about this crap.

  134. John Commenus

    Who gives a toss who leads the big spending and highest taxing government? Turnbull, Abbott or Hockey – they are all pro big government and higher taxes.

    I think it highly likely that a returned Rudd ALP government would have made some modest expenditure cuts and would not have dreamt of raising taxes as high as Abbott/Hockey/Turnbull. So the ALP would most likely have been more fiscally responsible than the LNP. So who gives a damn who leads them? Neither of them are worth voting for.

  135. Who gives a toss who leads the big spending and highest taxing government? Turnbull, Abbott or Hockey – they are all pro big government and higher taxes.

    They say they’re not, John. And that’s what counts.
    On the other hand, Swan kept promising surpluses and never delivering them.
    These guys are at least honest enough to not even promise a surplus. They’re like, “nup, we’re not falling for that trap.”
    ———————————————————————————
    Grigory

    Dunno, Aussiepundit – see JC #1331936, posted on June 3, 2014 at 7:49 pm.

    What are you trying to say?
    :-)

  136. That’s what the blurb on his book says. I’m guessing it’s an Adelaide pub.

    Yair, stands to reason. He doesn’t strike me as adventurous enough to have a pub in a regional/outback location.

    Have googled the internet to death, and can’t find any more information. Except for a few sour leftys comparing him to Wilson Tuckey (in their eyes this is bad), and a few others sneering at pub experience as if it is some sort of impediment to a political career (likely in their worldview any actual fair dinkum career/job/business would be incomprehensible)

  137. Infidel Tiger

    Bill Leak has a ripping cartoon on the Malcolm for leader movement.

    Dunno how to link to it.

  138. Yohan

    Graham Richardson was on the radio with Bolt the other day saying Scott Morrison would easily win a ballot if Abbott had to go.

  139. Yohan

    The LNP under Turnbull was just a mini me Rudd government on policy. Tony Abbott was the circuit breaker that allowed right wing conservatives some hope, with his push back against climate change and the progressive left agenda.

    This is why his budget pitch has failed so badly and core middle class support fallen away, because his strategy once in government has now really changed. Changed to a centrist ‘lets try and please/hurt everyone’, ‘were all in this together’ nonsense.

  140. MartinG

    Grover

    At least people like Bernadi can face up to QandA and give a bit back .
    All Tony can do is sit on Bolts show with a silly smile on his face while Bolt fights his battles for him.
    It’s a bit pathetic really.

    Conservative Leadership Foundation

    http://www.conservative.org.au/

  141. A Lurker

    Turnbull is for Turnbull, he would sell his soul to the highest bidder, he would fill his pockets from the commissions his banker mates would make from trading carbon credits. If there was a dollar to be had from Libertarians he will gets his grubby paws on it. Keep cheering him on and he will fleece you all.

    Which is why he and Palmer seemingly get on so well. Peas in a pod. Rudd too – minus the money inducement – Rudd was for Rudd too, what he wanted was power and acclaim.

    Narcissists all.

  142. MartinG

    Unless Scott Morrison steps up to the plate in the last six months and scraps Abbotts entire budget then you might as well resign yourselves to another three years of the Labor/Green alliance trashing the economy.

    Abbott or Turnbull? It really doesn’t matter.

  143. Roger

    #1331644, posted on June 3, 2014 at 4:49 pm
    “Someone else” is likely to be Cory Bernadi, who is by far the most favoured member among the Christian right wing of the Liberal party.

    Bernardi as PM would surely hasten the Apocalypse with Leftist heads exploding everywhere.
    I like the idea.

  144. Crossie

    Look I’m just asking and I am not a trouble-maker at all but seeing as we are on the subject of Malcolm Turnbull — wasn’t Peta Credlin Malcolm Turnbull’s Chief of Staff?

    I think she was his Deputy CoS and Brendan Nelson’s before then.

    So she’s the common denominator, now it all makes sense.

    Goodbye TA.

  145. Crossie

    Liberals even considering replacing TA with Turnbull would be suicidal. What makes them think he would be any more palatable to Liberal voters than last time? The only difference is that now Abbott is as lowly regarded as Turnbull.

  146. Grigory M

    “Someone else” is likely to be Cory Bernadi

    Self-promotion is his strong suit. Foreman material – not so much.

  147. egg_

    The Bjelke- Petersen media method still works well.

    It certainly does, Ollie; they’re all TWITtering about ‘da misogyny’ (again)…

  148. egg_

    I think it highly likely that a returned Rudd ALP government would have made some modest expenditure cuts and would not have dreamt of raising taxes as high as Abbott/Hockey/Turnbull. So the ALP would most likely have been more fiscally responsible than the LNP. So who gives a damn who leads them? Neither of them are worth voting for.

    Totally agree; logically, it may yet be our only hope, as yours truly has said before, much to the disgust of the LNP Rustadons.

  149. egg_

    So she’s the common denominator, now it all makes sense.

    Credlin’s bizarro bunker gummint and a sh1te budget – the perfect recipe for the fastest polls nosedive in history.

  150. incoherent rambler

    The conservative vote is around 35% of primary vote.

    For some insane set of reasons, the LNP think they can ignore these constituents and pander to the non-conservative vote to get over the line. What is happening is that they are bleeding conservative votes.

    Abbott is another Ballieu/Napthine. i.e. “please love me ALP voters”

  151. Sack him, Tony. Sack him five minutes ago and expel him from the Liberal Party. Sack him like you should have sacked him the day you rolled him.

    There is a case to be made for this action.
    It would certainly be a clean break from Abbott the Weak.

  152. .

    Roger
    #1332593, posted on June 4, 2014 at 7:10 am
    #1331644, posted on June 3, 2014 at 4:49 pm
    “Someone else” is likely to be Cory Bernadi, who is by far the most favoured member among the Christian right wing of the Liberal party.

    Bernardi as PM would surely hasten the Apocalypse with Leftist heads exploding everywhere.
    I like the idea.

    I concur.

    I want him to open up logging. Tasmanians voted for change after all.

    Can’t wait until some feral idiots freeze their arses off in misery for years to wail about people using resources to improve their standard of living.

  153. Ren Hoek

    Poor Malcolm.
    Suggest a listen to his Interview with Ben Fordham.
    United united united.

  154. Suggest a listen to his Interview with Ben Fordham.

    got a link?

  155. Never mind, it’s at Bolt’s blog.

  156. bananabender

    The Liberals are looking at 10-15 years in opposition unless they become a lot more more moderate. Australia is not going to elect another bunch of batshit crazy Jesuit educated fanatics like Abbott and Hockey.

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