In defence of Malcolm Turnbull

Okay, I’m going to go out on a limb here. So here are some criticisms of the man:

  • he was the environment minister who brought in those dreadful “light” bulbs,
  • he was underwhelming as leader of the opposition,
  • he supported Kevin Rudd’s ETS.

Okay – annoying but hardly hanging offences.

The thing is this – Malcolm Turnbull is not to blame for the government performing poorly in the polls. He is no more to blame than any other cabinet minister for the poorly received budget. He is less to blame than either the PM or the Treasurer for some of the poor decisions made leading up to the budget.

Are we to believe that but for Malcolm Turnbull that the Abbott government would grow a pair and stare down the ABC? Actually no.

To my mind this is a proxy fight – people want to give the PM a bit of belting, but can’t bring themselves to do so. Next best thing? Belt Malcolm. Not that he, like the others, doesn’t deserve a kick in the bum, but these criticisms of him are getting over the top.

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157 Responses to In defence of Malcolm Turnbull

  1. Frederic

    Malcolm and his mates should have sorted this out in Cabinet rather than bickering pointlessly afterwards. The Libs are a bunch of cowards.

  2. Robert Blair

    Out on limb you are then Sinc.

  3. Gab

    You ought to be banned for trolling the site, Sinclair.

  4. Demosthenes

    these criticisms of him are getting over the top.

    They are incredibly mild compared to what Abbott has copped in recent weeks.

  5. .

    In defence of Malcolm Turnbull

    LOL

  6. Aristogeiton

    Samuel J. Is that you?

  7. stevo

    Sinc, I luv your work, but I think its extraordinary that you think the PM is NOT copping a ‘bit of a belting’ … What would it take?

  8. You are as bad as Samuel J.

    And what’s this bromance with Andrew Leigh all about, as well?

    Next Thread:

    Is Sinc A Pinko?*

  9. candy

    Prof. D. – you’ve been belting the PM for weeks.

    Now, be straightforward – if you want the party to usurp the leader with M. Turnbull – just say so.
    Put it out there.

  10. Alfonso

    An ETS will lock in property rights for a Goldman Sachs et al derivative bonanza.
    Almost unwindable. Permanent and Evil exploitation of the punters…..or ‘annoying’.

  11. Aristogeiton

    Philippa Martyr
    #1334950, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:01 pm
    You are as bad as Samuel J.

    And what’s this bromance with Andrew Leigh all about, as well?

    Next Thread:

    Is Sinc A Pinko?*

    Trolling has got out of control here when even the above-the-line posters and the blog owner are doing it.

  12. Aristogeiton

    Alfonso
    #1334953, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:02 pm
    An ETS will lock in property rights for a Goldman Sachs et al derivative bonanza.
    Almost unwindable. Permanent and Evil exploitation of the punters…..or ‘annoying’.

    I can’t believe how this escapes almost everyone. Who benefits the most from an ETS? Investment bankers.

  13. boy on a bike

    Ok, where is the Doomlord and what have you done with him?

  14. Richard Stacpoole

    Sinc,

    Malcolm is disloyal, attacks his colleagues, has dreadful political instincts and consorts with the enemy. He deserves all he is getting and more. He is not a team player and is causing problems. Has he ever said such extraordinary things about the governments media critics? NO! he goes on there programs, joins their support forums and instead attacks the good guys. Enough. He should be sacked, disendorsed and thrown out of the party.

  15. MemoryVault

    I’m with you on this one Sinclair. The idea that any one of the useless, ineffectual, dickless girlie-boys currently masquerading as the government is any better, or worse than the others, is laughable.
    And the so-called “Opposition” is even worse.

    Time to sack the lot of them and appoint Mark Scott as PM.
    He seems to be running the country anyway.
    He can draw a Cabinet from staff at the ABC, SBS, and the Chaser Boys.
    With Clive Palmer as Speaker.
    Turn the whole charade into a reality TV show.

    Couldn’t be any more of a farce than what we currently have.

  16. candy

    MT is a good fit for GreenLabor party: open borders, carton taxing, big social programs, same sex marriage,.
    and has not lifted a finger to help the government post budget.
    Of course he will say otherwise tonight and protest his loyalty, etc. etc.

    Secretly, he will be enjoying destabilising Tony Abbott, knowing he’s egged on the the Left. They are loving it. Anyhow, that’s my impression of the man.

  17. Badjack

    “Not but for Malcolm” anything. It is his sly and grubby way he goes about his wooing of Palmer, the ABC, Fairfax and others. Jones was right..Turnbull is not a TEAM player

  18. John Williams

    “Okay – annoying but hardly hanging offences”….Sinclair
    Whaaatt ?
    Turnbull got into bed with Krudd on a deal that would have economically crippled Australia.
    Crippled…not merely disadvantaged.

  19. The thing is this – Malcolm Turnbull is not to blame for the government performing poorly in the polls.

    Actually, he is partly responsible because he is performing in such a weak and divisive way. He has sat round on his aristocratic pinstriped arse, doing precisely bugger all, and never laid a glove on Conroy practically the whole time he was in opposition. The NBN was a gift to any half-brained shadow Communications Minister, but it was clearly infra dig for Lord Wentworth. Or perhaps he thought it was a good idea, deep down.

    He is no more to blame than any other cabinet minister for the poorly received budget. He is less to blame than either the PM or the Treasurer for some of the poor decisions made leading up to the budget.

    I will pay you that one.

    Are we to believe that but for Malcolm Turnbull that the Abbott government would grow a pair and stare down the ABC? Actually no.

    OK Sinc – let’s play pretend. Imagine Scott Morrison in Turbull’s position. Still convinced that the lacklustre Lord Wentworth is doing a really find job, really, given that people are being So Mean to him. And does it occur to you that the people being So Mean to him are the very people who support his government the most, and the most publicly? They are doing his job FOR him, and it’s no wonder they get shitty with him, because he’s such a lazy, lazy nouveau riche loafer.

    To my mind this is a proxy fight – people want to give the PM a bit of belting, but can’t bring themselves to do so. Next best thing? Belt Malcolm. Not that he, like the others, doesn’t deserve a kick in the bum, but these criticisms of him are getting over the top.

    Rubbish. Plenty of people here criticise Tony Abbott quite freely, myself included.

  20. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    He is my Local Member. He holds together for the Libs a difficult electorate, including wealthy ‘doctor’s wives’ and inner urban trendies, greenies and gays, as well as many conservative voters. He works this electorate incredibly well and with great commitment. Australia-wide, his current popularity, if maintained, would probably romp him in for the Libs and would thus avoid another boilerplate Labor wilderness.

    That said, why should we like him on the Cat?? He was ineffective as an Opposition leader. He would have to change considerably to lead the Liberals towards being an effective economic alternative to Labor policies and world-views: something they seem not to be doing too well at now anyway. Let this Budget settle first before leaping to Malcolm’s side. It is very hard to forgive him for his role at the ABC, who should and must be destroyed. The more Malcolm participates on their side in the culture space, the more unpleasant he becomes to non-urban Australia – which might make ‘romping it in’ look silly anyway.

  21. Zaphod

    Points to Alan Jones – a failed cottager who caters to an ageing demographic – for getting a headline.

  22. MT is a good fit for GreenLabor party: open borders, carton taxing, big social programs, same sex marriage,.
    and has not lifted a finger to help the government post budget.
    Of course he will say otherwise tonight and protest his loyalty, etc. etc.

    Secretly, he will be enjoying destabilising Tony Abbott, knowing he’s egged on the the Left. They are loving it. Anyhow, that’s my impression of the man.

    In a nutshell. Well said, candi.

  23. A Lurker

    Turnbull is a friend of the ABC – which (in my opinion) makes him no friend to Australia.
    So the criticisms of him are not over the top.

  24. Australia-wide, his current popularity, if maintained, would probably romp him in for the Libs and would thus avoid another boilerplate Labor wilderness.

    Wanna bet? Didn’t work last time. I can see him being a mirror image K-Rudd – a ‘me too’ Liberal PM who aims for a largely non-existent ‘centre’ consisting of ABC luvvies and his friends, while ignoring/riding roughshod over the Libs’ traditional voters.

    With Malcolm at the head of the Libs, Clive Palmer would be PM in minutes.

  25. Demosthenes

    Trolling has got out of control here when even the above-the-line posters and the blog owner are doing it.

    The professor is well known for trolling his own site.

  26. a failed cottager

    I’m not sure he’s all that failed, either as a cottager or as a human being … not with those cufflinks I read about …

  27. Demosthenes

    All in pursuit of education, entertainment, and information, of course.

  28. Ugh. I must go home and wash myself all over at that awful thought of Clive Palmer as PM.

    You see what you’ve done now?

  29. squawkbox

    As someone remarked earlier on another thread, he did kill off republicanism in Australia, albeit unintentionally. Credit where credit’s due.

  30. Aristogeiton

    Demosthenes
    #1334990, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:20 pm
    Trolling has got out of control here when even the above-the-line posters and the blog owner are doing it.

    The professor is well known for trolling his own site.

    I’ve been here for about a year, so good to know.

  31. manalive

    … he supported Kevin Rudd’s ETS …

    And I have no doubt he still does — pernicious corporatism.

  32. candy

    Also he did nothing about the ABC’s attempted sabotage of the asylum seeker policy – the fabrications about the Navy burning the boat people, shooting at boats, all that. When the going was so tough for Mr Morrison and the PM, he did nothing. Zilch.

  33. JMH

    Richard Stacpoole
    #1334960, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:05 pm
    Sinc,

    Malcolm is disloyal, attacks his colleagues, has dreadful political instincts and consorts with the enemy. He deserves all he is getting and more. He is not a team player and is causing problems. Has he ever said such extraordinary things about the governments media critics? NO! he goes on there programs, joins their support forums and instead attacks the good guys. Enough. He should be sacked, disendorsed and thrown out of the party.

    +1

    Turnbull is only interested in Turnbull. He (as others have noted) is not a team player. In fact, I firmly believe he’s really in the wrong party.

    I would not trust Turnbull as far as I could kick him over a cliff if I happened to be PM Abbott. The man is on a self-indulgent mission. Get rid of the useless sack. He’s no improvement on Conroy.

  34. This is an attempt by Jones and Bolt to remain relevant.
    It will fail……

  35. Aristogeiton

    1735099
    #1335006, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:28 pm
    This is an attempt by Jones and Bolt to remain relevant.
    It will fail……

    Unlike you and your ilk, you paragon of relevance.

  36. Infidel Tiger

    He goes to a an upmarket restaurant for soup when he’s unwell!

    Doesn’t he own a can opener and a microwave?

  37. Would this thread be about the same Malcolm Turnbull who sprang to the defence of Bill Henson, when Henson so much needed it?

    Y’know, the Bill Henson who takes photographs of 13 year-old girls with their private parts free in the breeze, who was strolling around primary school playgrounds selecting little girls to pose for him with their genitals uncovered.

    That Bill Henson. That Malcolm Turnbull.

  38. A Lurker

    Also he did nothing about the ABC’s attempted sabotage of the asylum seeker policy – the fabrications about the Navy burning the boat people, shooting at boats, all that. When the going was so tough for Mr Morrison and the PM, he did nothing. Zilch.

    Don’t forget the live cattle exports fiasco. As Shadow Communications Minister did Turnbull make any loud protests over the ABC’s involvement in that?

  39. Robert Blair

    Sinc:

    So is this the limb you were expecting? Can you hear sawing sounds behind you?

  40. mizaris

    Turncoat is leftist scum. To wit…ETS, ABC, SBS, SSM, etc etc…..

  41. Demosthenes

    Turnbull is only interested in Turnbull. He (as others have noted) is not a team player. In fact, I firmly believe he’s really in the wrong party.

    Didn’t he almost join Labor? Or am I thinking of Abbott?

  42. Aristogeiton

    Steve at the Pub
    #1335011, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:31 pm
    Would this thread be about the same Malcolm Turnbull who sprang to the defence of Bill Henson, when Henson so much needed it?

    Y’know, the Bill Henson who takes photographs of 13 year-old girls with their private parts free in the breeze, who was strolling around primary school playgrounds selecting little girls to pose for him with their genitals uncovered.

    That Bill Henson. That Malcolm Turnbull.

    You’re right. Kevin Rudd for PM!

  43. Rabz

    carton taxing

    FFS, is there no limit to this bloated buffoon’s perfidy?

  44. Vicki

    Even if you believe the protestations of Malcolm & his wife that the dinner was spur-of-the-moment, it was, at best, stupid,stupid,stupid.

    And as if the discovery & rampant controversy wasn’t enough, Malcolm had to launch into an angry and over-the-top defence, again garnering more attention. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    How his myopic supporters can continue to believe he should lead the Party, I can’t imagine.

  45. Demosthenes

    Y’know, the Bill Henson who takes photographs of 13 year-old girls with their private parts free in the breeze

    Were there urns? Or cherubs? If you’ve got urns and cherubs, it’s art, not porn.

  46. Turtle of WA

    You’ve got numbers on side Sinc.

    We don’t need another Malcolm. (F 0r T)

    Malcolm Turnbull is a gruppy.

    There are two types of Gruppy. One is the Fitzroy type inner city professional, office job sitting at a computer, usually government, spends the day on Facebook, good salary, pretentious displays of Gaia worship. Drives a enviro-half -car or mostly rides a bike. The other is the very wealthy person who is bored and guilty and becomes a greeny out of fashion-sense and misinformed social conscience. Malcolm is the latter. Neither are to be trusted. Their central belief is a contradiction.

  47. Gab

    This post just proves the Doomlord is the troll called “you all want to be me”.

  48. Were there urns? Or cherubs? If you’ve got urns and cherubs, it’s art, not porn.

    Statues, paintings, yeah ok.
    Henson takes colour photographs of kids with their genitals uncovered.
    Turnbull purchases Henson’s photographs and hangs them on the wall at home.

  49. 'S

    I caught some of question time today. MT actually showed a bit of passion, but he paled in comparison to Morrison – he was BRUTAL.

    Turnbell may come in for unwarranted criticism but his almost unconditional love for the ABC is baffling. He may as well be handing them a bigger club to batter the Libs.

  50. Andrew

    he supported Kevin Rudd’s ETS.

    That IS a hanging offence. The Carbonzone has been in Great Depression for 6 years. Since we joined, we have been in the bottom 5% of the world for employment performance. 100,000 jobs added to the dole queue during the Gillard Financial Crisis.

    So let’s call that an honest mistake. Lord Mal has openly campaigned against Abbott666 and the party for years – opposing policies openly, not just the thrashing of the ABC with a feather. He stopped only when the 55/45 polls made it clear there would be no lurch to the left pet election, figuring he can white ant directly into the top job without facing an election he couldn’t win.

    He is scum.

  51. Senile Old Guy

    This post just proves the Doomlord is the troll called “you all want to be me”.

    Gab is correct, IMO.

  52. Aristogeiton

    Demosthenes
    #1335031, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:43 pm
    Y’know, the Bill Henson who takes photographs of 13 year-old girls with their private parts free in the breeze

    Were there urns? Or cherubs? If you’ve got urns and cherubs, it’s art, not porn.

    Udderly disgraceful!

  53. Zaphod


    Didn’t he almost join Labor? Or am I thinking of Abbott?

    Perhaps you’re thinking of the Education Minister.

    “I live in a Liberal seat so I had to be a member of the Liberal Party to get into Parliament. If I lived in a Labor seat I would have joined the Labor Party”. – Cory Bernardi quoting Pyne (apparently)

  54. jupes

    Also he did nothing about the ABC’s attempted sabotage of the asylum seeker policy – the fabrications about the Navy burning the boat people, shooting at boats, all that. When the going was so tough for Mr Morrison and the PM, he did nothing. Zilch.

    True.

    Worse he did nothing when the ABC arguably committed treason by releasing the traitor Snowden’s records of phone taps of SBY’s wife.

  55. Demosthenes

    Udderly disgraceful!

    The Chaser boys went to sculpture classes?

  56. old bloke

    Next thread:

    “Why John Hewson should return as the Liberal Party Leader”

  57. Baldrick

    Senile Old Guy
    #1335040, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:50 pm
    This post just proves the Doomlord is the troll called “you all want to be me”.

    Gab is correct, IMO.

    I’ll second that.

  58. calli

    This post just proves the Doomlord is the troll called “you all want to be me”.

    Gab is correct, IMO.

    But, but…Sinclair said he wasn’t the troll who no one with at least half a brain wants to be. I’m shocked! If he was fibbing, I hope he gets an atomic wedgie from his mankini…and bunions from the thigh high boots.

  59. Baldrick

    … and let me add – Gab is rarely incorrect. :)

  60. Infidel Tiger

    “Why John Hewson should return as the Liberal Party Leader”

    Malcolm Fraser – Reformer, Visionary, Pantsman,

  61. C.L.

    Okay – annoying but hardly hanging offences.

    Good Lord. Don’t go wobbly and Soonian on us, Sinclair.

    Each was a hanging offence.

  62. .

    old bloke
    #1335048, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:57 pm
    Next thread:

    “Why John Hewson should return as the Liberal Party Leader”

    Guest post by Clive Palmer:

    Why I must vote for every socialist policy: In short, to save you from yourselves

    WE all know that popularising libertarian ideas is impossible and only pushes reasonable people towards socialism,

  63. Squirrel

    “…he was the environment minister who brought in those dreadful “light” bulbs….”

    Thanks for reminding us of that particular perfidy – I knew there was a reason, rattling around in the back of my mind, why I have lingering reservations, even when he’s being genuinely droll (which is probably not quite as often as he thinks) at the expense of Labor in QT and elsewhere.

    As to the Malcolm and Clive thing, I am reminded of the Yes Minister exchange about who’s the terrorist and who’s the hostage – visions, also, of one of those ridiculous ballet sequences in Fantasia (the Disney version).

  64. Roger

    Is this the real Sinclair Davidson?

  65. Grover

    The chaser boys love him . He’s no dog shagger.

  66. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1335058, posted on June 5, 2014 at 7:02 pm
    old bloke
    #1335048, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:57 pm
    Next thread:

    “Why John Hewson should return as the Liberal Party Leader”

    Guest post by Clive Palmer:

    Why I must vote for every socialist policy: In short, to save you from yourselves

    WE all know that popularising libertarian ideas is impossible and only pushes reasonable people towards socialism,

    Guest Post: Why David Leyonhelm is a cultural Marxist.

  67. cynical1

    Time to sack the lot of them and appoint Mark Scott as PM.

    No way.

    He’ll never take a pay cut that large…

  68. Infidel Tiger

    he was the environment minister who brought in those dreadful “light” bulbs,

    Apart from smoking laws, the lightbulb change has probably had the greatest affect on my life in the last decade.

    I can now flick the light switch and be in bed before it turns on.

    I can’t believe the regulations haven’t been reversed.

  69. Makka

    Turnbull just happens to be the current lightning rod attracting the well deserved criticism this timid LNP Govt deserves. He has been undermining Abbott and the LNP since he was replaced as leader so no surprises he pulls another traitorous stunt at this time. His arse should have been booted out of the team ages ago but true to timid form the LNP continues to tolerate this Judas. They get what they deserve – all of them. And this sorry state of affairs will continue until they show some conviction and stones to act like the Conservative Govt they were voted in to be.

  70. Demosthenes

    I can now flick the light switch and be in bed before it turns on.

    You know you’re supposed to turn the light OFF when going to bed?

  71. .

    Guest Post: Why David Leyonhelm is a cultural Marxist.

    What a hoot. Written by David Leyonhjelm as well, of course.

  72. Dave Wane

    Like Sinc, I agree that Turnbull has quite a few serious failings. And whilst I also agree they may not be “hanging offences”, they do demonstrate the internal workings of Turnbull’s very clever but socialist-style mind.

    I do find it hard to believe that Bolt and even Jones have gone on out on a limb against Turnbull, without any serious evidence that he was undermining Abbott in an attempt at leadership. I assume there is some kind of smoking gun.

  73. Grigory M

    Sinc has sunk – without a trace. Where he used to be is now either Samuel J or Fisky.

  74. Dave Wane

    Like Sinc, I agree that Turnbull has quite a few serious failings. And whilst I also agree they may not be “hanging offences”, they do demonstrate the internal workings of Turnbull’s very clever but socialist-style mind.

    I do find it hard to believe that Bolt and even Jones have gone on out on a limb against Turnbull, without any serious evidence that he was undermining Abbott in an attempt at leadership. I assume there is some kind of smoking gun.

  75. Greigoz

    Unfortunately for Top Hat Malcolm, he thinks the rest of Australia is like his electorate in Vaucluse and Rose Bay – it aint.

    Sinc, the ABC, Age and SMH all go to bat for Malcolm… and now you – that tells me who is probably on the wrong side of the ledger.

  76. Eddystone

    John Williams
    #1334969, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:12 pm
    “Okay – annoying but hardly hanging offences”….Sinclair
    Whaaatt ?
    Turnbull got into bed with Krudd on a deal that would have economically crippled Australia.
    Crippled…not merely disadvantaged.

    *Not merely a hanging offence. Drawing and quartering, head on a spike, display the dismembered parts in all corners of the realm offence.

    *NADT

  77. Tom

    This post just proves the Doomlord is the troll called “you all want to be me”.

    Correct.

    But I have to say His Doomlordship’s ability to pass himself off as a 12-year-old girl must surely qualify him for an Australia Council grant for creative moochers.

  78. Gab

    Either that or Fisky has hacked his Cat account.

  79. Apart from smoking laws, the lightbulb change has probably had the greatest affect on my life in the last decade.
    I can now flick the light switch and be in bed before it turns on.

    There’s one such bulb in the ceiling of a short narrow hallway at my place.
    It doesn’t give out enough light to reach the floor.

  80. Helen

    Sinc just harden the fvck up

  81. Gab

    Not merely a hanging offence. Drawing and quartering, head on a spike, display the dismembered parts in all corners of the realm offence.

    Turnbull deserves that for FORCING us to use those damn environmentally unfriendly AND EXPENSIVE light bulbs that ARE POISONING THE PLANET WITH MERCURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  82. egg_

    Cetainly Mal Kardashian at the mo’; however, ONCE in the top job, would do OK IMHO.
    It’s the cabinet’s decision, anyhoo.

  83. Tracey

    Regardless of what anyone thinks of Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones, any politician going out of his way to provoke them is not what I’d call smart.

  84. JMH

    The gun must be aimed at this traitor before we see any smoke. (NADT)

    I agree with Makka. Turncoat should have been disendorsed for disloyalty prior to the 2010 election.

  85. egg_

    They get what they deserve – all of them. And this sorry state of affairs will continue until they show some conviction and stones to act like the Conservative Govt they were voted in to be.

    In a nutshell – anyone who defends the LibLabs and dislikes Turnbull should take a good long look in the mirror.
    Abbott-Hockey are virtually indistinguishable in PRACTICAL policy application.

  86. Token

    Listening to him whine to Ben Fordham yesterday I got the feeling he may be telling the truth…

    …as in – “For the first time ever, I am loyal and not stirring up trouble, I mean the first time ever, and this is the way you treat me…”

    His answers on the ABC today to AJ shook me out of that funk.

  87. Viva

    these criticisms of him are getting over the top.

    …and this is unusual on the Cat?

  88. john constantine

    if he had a bush electorate, the abc would be backing and encouraging turnbull to stand as an independant so they could butter him up into voting like oakeshot and windsor.

  89. Grigory M

    these criticisms of him are getting over the top.

    …and this is unusual on the Cat?

    Of course – circumspection is an innate characteristic of most Cats.

  90. Ripper

    Okay – annoying but hardly hanging offences.

    I can’t believe how this escapes almost everyone. Who benefits the most from an ETS? Investment bankers.

    The ETS was a hanging offense to anybody who cared about their children and grandchildren.

  91. Johno

    The thing is this – Malcolm Turnbull is not to blame for the government performing poorly in the polls. He is no more to blame than any other cabinet minister for the poorly received budget. He is less to blame than either the PM or the Treasurer for some of the poor decisions made leading up to the budget.

    Are we to believe that but for Malcolm Turnbull that the Abbott government would grow a pair and stare down the ABC? Actually no.

    To my mind this is a proxy fight – people want to give the PM a bit of belting, but can’t bring themselves to do so. Next best thing? Belt Malcolm. Not that he, like the others, doesn’t deserve a kick in the bum, but these criticisms of him are getting over the top.

    I haven’t read through the responses to Sinclair’s post, but I have say that he is on to something here.

    Turnbull has been a disgrace as Communication Minister. Defending the Left’s ABC is indefensible. But Abbott made him Communication Minister and his behaviour as Minister is entirely as Abbott should have expected.

    The making and selling of the budget has been a cock up. Yes, the Love media have been OTT vicious and unprofessional and Turnbull should be doing something, anything, about reining in the worse excesses of the media he is suppose to be responsible for ( ABC and SBS). But there are so many own goals with the budget and they have been scored primarily by Abbott and Hockey.

    Turnbull is probably being used as a punching bag for some on the Liberal’s side, but he did make himself a target when he was made sure that he was seen dining with Palmer and kicking the story along with his attacks on Bolt and Jones.

    Bottom line. The government is in a hole, partly of its own making, and has a long haul ahead to get out of it.

    Hopefully, what doesn’t kill them will make them stronger.

  92. vlad

    Not hanging offences, no.

    Merely sacking and never-to-be-rehired offences.

  93. Token

    To my mind this is a proxy fight – people want to give the PM a bit of belting, but can’t bring themselves to do so. Next best thing? Belt Malcolm.

    This was gold. As Viva and a few others have been telling us, we have been nothing but blind support to a government which has delivered a stirling budget.

  94. Denise

    Steve at the Pub
    #1335036, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    Were there urns? Or cherubs? If you’ve got urns and cherubs, it’s art, not porn.

    Statues, paintings, yeah ok.
    Henson takes colour photographs of kids with their genitals uncovered.
    Turnbull purchases Henson’s photographs and hangs them on the wall at home.

    I knew a pastor – happily married for over 30 years – who had a special hatred of this sort of ‘art’ in his congregants’ houses. Not bold enough yet to display naked girls – this was in 1995 so they’ve probably graduated to kiddieporn by now – but naked women. He’d make a point of leering and saying ‘Is that your wife/daughter/sister?’ depending on congregant’s circumstances. Response of aesthetes – shock and horror at the very thought followed by slowly reddening faces – as good as a play. Pastor would give them a ripping talking to. Fire and brimstone the inevitable destination for suchlike grubs. A lot of them never came back to church. Good riddance.

    I wish we had more like him, but that prototype is broken, Mach II pastors seem to be beta males in Hawaiian shirts with cups of latte talking about paradigm shifts and relevance. And not offending anyone. So sorry to be Christian and God isn’t really the way He reveals Himself to be in the Bible. He’s actually an old man with a long white beard sitting on a rocking chair. Whose real wish is for everyone to be happy. Dream on, aesthetes…

  95. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    I have been getting rid of those turnbull mercury polluting bulbs .replacing them with LED globes ,which give excellent light at low cost,An electician friend tells me the tradeis concerned about mercury poisoning .I have read that Tsar Ivan the Terrible died of mercury poisoning administered by his son Dimitri mercury poisoning causes insanity it seems,thus possibly why Ivan Was Terrible we can rename it turnbullitis syndrome in Australia ,poisoning caused by green loving ignoramuses(or is that Ignoramii?)

  96. Zaphod

    …. kicking the story along with his attacks on Bolt and Jones.

    What, retaliation is not an option ?
    Would you take dictation from a failed cottager ?

    Hopefully, what doesn’t kill them will make them stronger.

    My grandfather used to say that – before the accident.

  97. Tom

    This is fascinating: the paranoia of progressives like Turnbull, as exposed by Price and Bolt on the radio. Someone is always out to get them when they’re unable to explain why their agenda strikes opposition. This is actually a demonstrable mental illness, but we can’t say that because shut up.

  98. Demosthenes

    Mach II pastors

    They work fast?

  99. sabrina

    Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt should try their popularity by standing in the election. They should be given safe seats at Wentworth and Indi respectively.

  100. Supplice

    I think I might have a solution: Send Lord Wentworth to the backbenches and have him quietly disendorsed. Meanwhile, give Barnaby Joyce the Communications portfolio. He’s agrarian and won’t get rid of the perhaps one “truely” needed ABC service – the regional radio network that the commercial stations don’t already cover. Plus he talks straight and won’t cop any of nice Mr. Scott’s bullshit in the three seconds it takes for Barnaby to prune the surperflous parts. I think he’d sort out the NBN mess as well.

  101. Laurel but not Hardy

    Listening to him whine to Ben Fordham yesterday I got the feeling he may be telling the truth…
    Never! He always whines when he can’t get his own way. Ben Fordham had him on toast the whole time and he sounded no different then as when he was trying to wriggle out of the Grech fiasco. The bloke’s a dunce! I am in the unfortunate position of having him as my Member of Parliament and I hate it. He is just a Billy McMahon lite.

  102. brc

    he supported Kevin Rudd’s ETS.
    Okay – annoying but hardly hanging offences.

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    Support for the ETS – from opposition – makes him someone with no idea. A politician in love with big government and grand policies. The most dangerous type.

  103. Rabz

    Guest Post: Pol Dot – “the Khmer Rouge – time for a re-evaluation”

  104. Rob MW

    Sinc – looks like nobody wants to buy a second hand ute decked out in images of arseholes.

    Ahhh…….those were the days.

  105. Alfonso

    “To my mind this is a proxy fight – people want to give the PM a bit of belting, but can’t bring themselves to do so. Next best thing? Belt Malcolm.”

    “we have been nothing but blind support to a government which has delivered a stirling budget…”

    Indeed, my own sycophantic cheering for big govt, socially conservative, CAGW believing, ABC dhimmi, welfare statist Tone is well known.

    I often attack Malcolm because I can’t bring myself to give Tone a bit of a belting.
    Call it a character flaw….

  106. Alfonso

    Yeah, Tone is an ABC dhimmi.

  107. JC

    Please Sinc. Forget the dinner and the company Turnbull keeps. But to be hanging around that disgusting turd, Mark Scott and associate with the likes him and Scott’s friends is unforgivable.

  108. JC

    I hope Clive sits on him.

  109. whyisitso

    Is Sinc A Pinko?

    I think I was among the first on this blog to point this out, only to be ridiculed by othet commenters. I think more of you are getting it now.

  110. stackja

    For all his faults Malcolm Turnbull is not Bill Shorten.
    ALP/MSM are as usual making a mountain out of molehill.
    I agree with you this time Sinc.

  111. Andrew

    Malcolm is all about Malcolm, that is my main issue with him. He aims to please the natural enemies of the Liberal Party. You may think his stance on the ETS is not politcally ‘hangable’ but the problem is that he nearly destroyed the Liberal Party as a viable political force because of those choices. The Liberal base revolted against him because of that and the base can tolerate a lot. He does not deserve to be defended.

  112. whyisitso

    his current popularity, if maintained, would probably romp him in for the Libs and would thus avoid another boilerplate Labor wilderness.

    He’s another Petro Georgiou. We’d be better off having a Green lefty in this seat – at least he/she wouldn’t be confused with a centre-right party.

  113. Makka

    Seriously, if all Turnbull brings to the table is the seat of Wentworth then cut the traitor loose and let him go Independent or Left/Green. The damage this turd is inflicting sitting where he is is not worth his keep. He will use the ALPBC to bring down Abbott as long as he stays there. Flush the turd.

    The LNP has form in this area. They should have turfed out Slipper years ago too. Loyalty is a two way street and the LNP is far too soft- it shows.

  114. Boambee John

    “Billy McMahon lite.”

    Now, THAT’s an insult!

  115. Grigory M

    I have read that Tsar Ivan the Terrible died of mercury poisoning administered by his son Dimitri

    Pre 1910 – the preferred treatment for syphilis.

    Mercury had terrible side effects causing neuropathies, kidney failure, and severe mouth ulcers and loss of teeth, and many patients died of mercurial poisoning rather than from the disease itself. Treatment would typically go on for years and gave rise to the saying,

    “A night with Venus, and a lifetime with mercury”

    Maybe Dimitri was just trying to mange Ivan’s medication.

  116. tomix

    Slipper was an effective representative in Fisher for over 20 years and a number of boundary changes and in spite of a long vendetta against him by the local paper. His primary vote in 2010 attests to that.

    Abbott showed how weak he is by not being able to prevent the white- anting of Slipper by gizzaseat Mal Brough, who had been decisively rejected by the voters of Longman in 2007.

  117. Grigory M

    Maybe Dimitri was just trying to mange Ivan’s medication.

    Or manage it, even.

  118. Major Elvis Newton

    “…he was the environment minister who brought in those dreadful “light” bulbs…”

    And with that one stupid act he destroyed any credibilty he had.

    Please quantify any GHG savings that resulted from this policy?

  119. Joe Goodacre

    On your own on this one Sinc.

    MT’s media performance attacking Bolt and Jones only make sense from someone making a run at the centre. Those stories could have died dignified deaths yet MT validated them by kicking them along.
    I think Bolt is correct on this one.

    He wasn’t responsible for the Liberals recent woes, but he wasn’t helping sell the budget either. He could have been using some of the leftie love to help sell the budget yet didn’t lift a finger.

  120. twostix

    The fuck?

    Malcolm Turbull approached the Labor party post-Republic referendum to join them.

    They wouldn’t have him.

    the Sunday Telegraph has confirmed Mr Turnbull approached at least six senior ALP figures, including former Prime Minister Bob Hawke, actively seeking their endorsement to join the ALP at the time of the republic referendum.

    So after being rejected by the ideologically proud Labor party he joined the whorish Liberals. Like his brother in arms Brendon Nelson did. Sloppy seconds are part of the Liberals DNA.

    Then he became Leader and was beaten all over the school yard by the school loser Kevin Rudd – you know, the guy who even the losers tease and who Abbott caused to have a mental breakdown. That guy destroyed Malcolm Turnbull. So then Turbull was demoted to the special class to oppose the functional retard Stephen Conroy.

    Conroy too outwitted him at every turn.

    The guy is an absolute dunce.

  121. M Ryutin

    Defending the indefensible eh? Short memories.
    Turnbull was a serial leaker and underminer from the earliest days of Brenda Nelson as leader. After his defeat as leader due to his position on the global warming scam, has never failed to show his faith in a price signal for carbon dioxide no matter that a carbon tax was off limits as policy!
    Even his latest faux pas, the dinner with Palmer, was a disaster, looked terrible and its bad look wasn’t helped by either the claim that he virtually bumped into Palmer (rather than actually inviting him) and then go on morning TV to trumpet how to get things through someone had to talk to Palmer. All of this, of course, without any reference at all to Abbott, who knew nothing about it.
    The one bright spot in this is that thanks to a brilliant Andrew Bolt move to confront Tony Abbott about Turnbull’s behavior, MT now has to actively support the budget (in detail) and, horror of horrors, support everything that is government policy, even though it be Direct Action, and so on. No more QandA Dorothy Dixers about leadership or climate change when he can gently sideline the ideas without actually solidly supporting the official policy.

  122. MT’s media performance attacking Bolt and Jones only make sense from someone making a run at the centre. Those stories could have died dignified deaths yet MT validated them by kicking them along.
    I think Bolt is correct on this one.

    As much as I like like Turnbull I agree. He’s keeping it alive, and he’s doing so while Abbott is out of the country.

    Also, with the Kenny case it’s a bad time to join “friends of the ABC.” And frankly, inappropriate since he is the communications minister. He should be seen to be above the fray in that regard.

  123. Gab

    Also, with the Kenny case it’s a bad time to join “friends of the ABC.” And frankly, inappropriate since he is the communications minister. He should be seen to be above the fray in that regard.

    Spot on.

  124. Ren Hoek

    Bolt called it, Fordham confirmed it.
    Turnbull is in a Clive-scented Limbo of his own making.

  125. incoherent rambler

    he was the environment minister who brought in those dreadful “light” bulbs,
    he supported Kevin Rudd’s ETS.

    Both are hanging offences.

    Possible reasons for making such a choice? (Choose one or more)

    . He is gullible
    . Poorly briefed (listened to a media brief rather than a sound scientific or mathematical one)
    . Like Julia, innate bad judgement

    He made a series of instinct based calls. All of them were wrong.

  126. .

    Rabz
    #1335198, posted on June 5, 2014 at 8:53 pm
    Guest Post: Pol Dot – “the Khmer Rouge – time for a re-evaluation”

    A timely and necessary post for for this blog.

    Actually promoting libertarian ideas will drive the public into the arms of the the primitive communists who believe in self sufficiency at any cost.

    This can be avoided by accepting Khmer Rogue principles.

  127. incoherent rambler

    The left like Malcom for the same reason that many on the right liked Kevin.
    Both are guaranteed to lead a party to its demise.

  128. Ren Hoek

    Dot: I would love to help you accept Khmer Rouge principles, preferably in person.
    I would get my ex-wife’s sister to help explain, but they murdered her with a rock once they ran out of bullets.

  129. Ripper

    He is gullible

    The opposite of skeptical is gullible.

  130. .

    Ren – I’ll be serious for a moment.

    Fucking bastards.

    I hope they got theirs for their barbaric crimes against humanity.

    There are a lot of sarcastic comments you may not pick up at the moment right now.

    Several concern trolls have been pushing a ridiculous idea that the LNP and LDP becoming what they ostensibly oppose is the only way to become popular, and otherwise advocating libertarian and conservative ideas is only going to make socialism and deep green ideas ever more popular.

    Hence we play along and declare ever more absurd things mocking their utterly bullshit idea. They are actually dumb enough to think we can be tricked into becoming lefties. What arrogant stupidity and mindless bravado.

    I’m sorry if you took offence but some people have called the LDP and Senator-elect Leyonhjelm communist and “cultural communists” lately.

    So you can see some people are truly trivilaising those horrible things which happened to your sister in law. These things appall normal people, yet we are told that only when things turn truly tits up, thats when we can complain, not before.

    This is a bizzare and dangerous idea. We have to fight the curtailment of our liberties in every way possible.

    It is like how one of the Davids here has to drum into his fellow talmudic scholars that vilification laws don’t protect them – removing free speech helped the holocaust.

    If people put up stupid, offensive and illiberal but particularly too-clever-by-half ideas, they will be hammered from pillar to post around here.

  131. Hugh

    Some Liberals I loathe: Malcolm Turnbull, Petro Georgiou, Ian McPhee, the Ian McFarlane/Penny Wong duo (for God’s sake), Andrew Peacock, Malcolm Fraser… (you get my drift…the wets).

    Liberals I’m starting to loathe: Tony Abbott, Andrew Hunt.

    Some Liberals I admire: Andrew Robb, John Howard, the later Philip Ruddock, Peter Reith, Scott Morrison.

    Liberals I grudgingly admire: Peter Costello (a tad egotistical, plus, never forgive him for resigning when he did.) Joe Hockey (great performance on Q&A recently, plus he has healthy instincts, but with no developed economic view, let alone the right one, and so far isn’t a patch on Costello.)

    Labors I admire: Peter Walsh, the later Martin Ferguson.
    Labors I grudgingly admire or sympathise with: Bob Hawke, Paul Keating (both streets ahead of Fraser). Gough (chutzpah). Kim Beazley, John Kerin (unfairly dumped ‘cos he couldn’t recall what the technical term GOS was at a press conference. As opposed to Wayne Swan who wouldn’t know a surplus if he fell over one but was kid gloved by the press for years.)

    Labors I loathe: It begins with Rudd. Or Swan. Or Plibersek. Or Gillard…just don’t get me started.

  132. Fisky

    Last year, I thought that Turnbull had learned some lessons from his disastrous time as leader. Unfortunately, I forgot that people in their 50s don’t generally learn anything. They are usually stuck on the same track going in circles. Turnbull is really worse than ever.

  133. Several concern trolls have been pushing a ridiculous idea that the LNP and LDP becoming what they ostensibly oppose is the only way to become popular, and otherwise advocating libertarian and conservative ideas is only going to make socialism and deep green ideas ever more popular.

    Those ‘concern trolls’ aren’t confined to this site. They seem to have taken control of the Prime Minister’s office.

  134. Ren Hoek

    Dot: I never get offended, and I know you were taking the piss.
    Free speech polices itself as we have just demonstrated.
    I find Left or Right labels tiresome and prefer to take a logical approach to life.
    All good in the Cat hood.
    Ripper: Read your own post again for me:)

  135. Somerville

    Okay – annoying but hardly hanging offences.

    WRONG. They are all hanging offenses.
    And don’t forget another Turnbull legacy as Environment Minister. The Water Act imposes Soviet Union-style government oppression and control over farmers in the Murray-Darling Basin.

  136. Somerville

    brc

    #1335197, posted on June 5, 2014 at 8:52 pm
    A politician in love with big government and grand policies. The most dangerous type.

    Very true. And the ego and arrogance to believe that he is the ‘Great Leader’ that can charm the ‘little people’ into accepting his patronising totalitarianism is especially dangerous.

  137. MartinG

    Demosthenes
    #1335072, posted on June 5, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    I can now flick the light switch and be in bed before it turns on.

    You know you’re supposed to turn the light OFF when going to bed?

    By the time it comes on, he’s had a good nights sleep.

  138. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Wanna bet? Didn’t work last time.

    Hey Phillipa, I did qualify that. RTWH. Thinking on the run anyway, here in the land of Grappa (hi, Tinta). I know a lot of people who admit to voting for Kevin (to their immediate chagrin) in 2007. Even people on Catallaxy (won’t say who, not me though, I saw right through the left by then after they had done their best to destroy my life, after my parents’ efforts at the same; sanity is hard won sometimes). I only meant that sometimes the Australian voter is a strange species.

  139. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    oooops, Grappa strikes. RTHT.

  140. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Hugh, that’s not a bad list, but you must drop Gough or I will throw up. You wouldn’t want that.

    I would vote for Scott Morrison. Only one who’s really done anything useful since the election.

  141. MartinG

    Hugh
    #1335359, posted on June 6, 2014 at 12:02 am

    Liberals I’m starting to loathe: Tony Abbott, Andrew Hunt.

    Some Liberals I admire: Andrew Robb, John Howard, the later Philip Ruddock, Peter Reith, Scott Morrison.

    + Cory Bernardi

  142. Ros

    Turnbull also brought us rain making. Ten million in the caretaker period to Matt Handbury to build large triangles in the Adelaide Hills to persuade clouds to part with their water. Instead he went broke and is now bringing some sort of logistics technology to newsagents.

    And performed poorly, he got all the way down to an approval rating of 13 percent. It is now however exceedingly difficult to locate members of that 87 percent cohort who thought he was an incompetent git.

    Others have said that if he stabs his way back to Leader they won’t be voting Liberal. I too won’t be and I too mean it. Lets say I have had many occasions to vote, but there have only been 2 occasions when I didn’t vote for the Libs. First when the matter of abortion came up in Federal Parliament, not one Lib voted in favour of abortion, apparently according to my representative at the time, Ian Wilson, you musn’t rush when considering such matters. The second time, when too late the state Libs discovered that the candidate had some highly undesirable associates. Rather than campaign openly against him, and therefore damage the party they sent out the message informally to us supporters, don’t vote for him.

    Turnbull would have made the third, now even in a coma I think I could find a way to vote against him. Because that is what Turnbull is about, Turnbull.

    Not that it would be possible now to run a discrete campaign against your own candidate when you find he is very probably a crook, but even so is there any will amongst the political class to put country first and act in such a way. This character’s nasty friends were in NSW and he had attempted to launch his political career in another state.

  143. Ros

    Thank you very much turtle for gruppy.

  144. Blogstrop

    Slipper fan and habitual troll tomix at 9.59 says Brough was decisively rejected by the voters of Longman in 2007. Well, he actually got 36000 primary votes as against Labor’s 39000, so was not without support. As I recall, the libs copped it all over in that year, losing government. In the lead up to the election there was a lot of anti-intervention bile spewed all over the place by the left, who were not just in denial about the failure of their long held position on aborignal welfare, but wanted to push every possible button to get shot of the Howard government – which had been remarkably resilient due to being demonstrably competent.
    Mal Brough was the lead figure in that intervention, he was at the bottom of the ticket in Longman, and still got nearly half the votes. 36000 didn’t decisively reject him at all, despite a national campaign that included so many spoiling tactics against the coalition.

  145. entropy

    Brough was also targeted Indi style at that election. That said his behaviour during the LNP merger was reprehensible. Bottom line is that he isn’t that bright. Not leadership material.

    Speaking of Sindhi style campaigns, imagine Campbell Newman’s electorate in the next Qld state election. Palmer alone will spend his entire fortune there.

  146. Robert Blair

    Elisabeth:

    Hugh, that’s not a bad list, but you must drop Gough

    I agree Elizabeth.

    One of the on-going sadness’s of my life is that the absolute best rendition of Dylan’s “Tangled Up In Blue” was by a band from Canberra who called themselves … “The Whitlams”.

  147. MT Isa Miner

    Rousie

    #1334959, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:05 pm

    Yeah..nah

    Personal bone to pick with Tunbull: the lightbulbs.

    But he tried to cripple- that is the right word too- us all with the ETS.

    He could be stupid like Conroy but it’s more likely to be self interest. like Alfonso says.

    Alfonso

    #1334953, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:02 pm

    An ETS will lock in property rights for a Goldman Sachs et al derivative bonanza.

    He’s had more than his go and he fucked up each time.

    Big statist and disloyal and dead wrong decisions. High profile but wrong. Smug wanker is a problem when he is just being himself because he is so wrong.

    Sure he’s working to hold Wentworth, for himself. Abbott has to piss him off. He’s dead weight on his best days and nothing but grief on the others.

  148. Tel

    Hence we play along and declare ever more absurd things mocking their utterly bullshit idea. They are actually dumb enough to think we can be tricked into becoming lefties. What arrogant stupidity and mindless bravado.

    Let’s look at a policy like Seattle raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour. I think some other cities are intending to do the same. Not smart policy, but it does make a good learning exercise.

    In the case of Australia, surely bad policy from the major parties will encourage minority parties. That’s good because it means more views will be heard.

  149. The light bulb decision was the least egregious of all Turnbull’s mistakes.
    Of course, it is absurd that I will get arrested if I make or sell an incandescant light bulb in Australia.
    But in the big scheme of things, small fry compared to the ETS.

  150. Bolt and Jones.
    They make a lovely couple.
    I wonder when we’ll see the nuptials?

  151. struth

    I must be getting old. I checked to make sure it wasn’t the first of April.

  152. Robert O.

    I do not know Mr. Turnbull’s current position on an ETS, but in his heyday he believed in the precautionary principle: if the carbonistas are right an ETS will save the planet, if not the bankers will do OK anyhow. Although the scientific evidence for global warming is far less from conclusive with 17 years of stasis anyhow the gravy train rolls on now with the help of President Obama who has a few other problems. Interesting that global warming is only south of the border as in Canada they have a different point of view. To get to Cuba from N. America, Canada was the only way due to the USA embargo for many years.

  153. Hugh

    Yeah, Gough, well, he was a terrible P.M. but when Rudd and Gillard were around he rose in my estimation. At least he could string a few words together. He even has a sense of humour.

  154. Habib

    Hang draw and quarter offences to me, why that cowardly bastard didn’t have the courage of his inane convictions and join the Greens makes him even more contemptible. His wife’s an imbecile as well.

  155. James

    people want to give the PM a bit of belting, but can’t bring themselves to do so.

    You must be joking! The PM doesn’t even need to say a thing. He just winked and gee see all the bile come his way!

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