While one public broadcaster apologises, another repeats the offence

SO last night just before 9pm I switched to the ABC to watch the broadcast apology to Chris Kenny and then immediately switched back to Sky News.

I don’t know what the ABC and Chris Kenny had agreed to – the apology was made by voice over; I had expected a senior executive or even Mark Scott to front up and apologise. Okay.

This morning, however, I read at both Blair and Bolt that the Chaser are not sorry and are saying so.

Similarly, SBS have reported the apology story and rebroadcast the photoshopped image (story starts at 2.23). Now under the guise of reporting the ‘news’ SBS have joined the ABC in their state-sponsored bullying campaign against a critic. As I keep saying, there are severe and profound governance problems at the ABC and now it seems at SBS too.

(HT: Grigory M)

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187 Responses to While one public broadcaster apologises, another repeats the offence

  1. nic

    I can’t for the life of me work out why Abbott postures about debt and doesn’t get rid of the utter fiscal fiasco that are the ABC and SBS. They could have killed any number of birds with the one stone. Lets face it, apart from those in inner cities and some in the bush, who would really care?

  2. Alfonso

    Not to worry for the collective.
    The learned helplessness of the Liberals is always factored in by Their ABC / SBS.
    Scotty goes on, nothing changes, Abbott’s said as much.

  3. .

    This is state oppression.

    Joe Goodacre, come here and defend this, and tell me why as someone who demands their liberties, I must leave the country under a cloud immediately for the Dafur.

  4. Andore Jr.

    Lets face it, apart from those in inner cities and some in the bush, who would really care?

    They would try, until their dying breath, to make you care.
    Peppa Pig’s was the first hostage off the bus.

  5. incoherent rambler

    By my reckoning there is >8B to reaped from the ABC, SBS, ACMA and the GWGT (Global Warming Gravy Train).

    Abbott/Hockey have refused to touch any of the latte left sacred cows.

    Is this a LNP government or a JuliaKevLite government?

  6. johanna

    Err, should that be “apologises” (and that probably should be in quotes, too) Sinc?

    It’s unbelievable. The ABC, which only days ago was trying to bully Kenny into backing down, finally realises that it is on a hiding to nothing in the courts, so issues a milk and water “apology” which is not seen by anyone but the 12 viewers of that awful Jonah program and a few readers of the Cat and Bolt.

    Then the Chaser boys thumb their noses at the agreement to STFU about their libel. Now SBS perpetuates it.

    Here’s hoping that Kenny’s lawyers are composing a suitably scary letter to SBS and the “Boys” management as we read.

  7. Token

    Good news.

    Lord Wentworth told AJ this morning that he loves the ABC and because it has its own legislation protecting it he refuses to act to change the toxic culgure.

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    Is it any wonder that conservatives want the ABC closed down when they behave like sneering totalitarians and fail utterly to uphold their Charter.

    On the other hand Chris Kenny could with more lawsuits rake in enough in damages from these people to retire on the Costa Del Sol. Pity it all comes from my taxes though.

  9. incoherent rambler

    Litigation issues (certainly those in the public arena) are usually an issue for the board. Or have I worked in strange companies?

  10. Token

    Pity it all comes from my taxes though.

    Malcolm Turnbull could change all that by imposing an amendment to the funding rules which notes that funding equal to the value of 10x the damages will be withdrawn permanently the moment a damages claim is settled / imposed by a court.

  11. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty,

    You take mass production of straw men to a new level.

    Of course it’s troubling that the ABC and SBS are this large, have this power and are abusing it.

    It’s good to be against it, and vocally so.

    The issue has always been your scale of response to injurious acts in your life. Acting as if you’ve suddenly had your legs amputated when the ABC needs to be put back in its box leads myself to think you’ve never actually suffered a real set back in life.

    On another topic, if Mark Scott was smart, he’d probably shut the Chaser team down because they’re causing too much controversy at a time when his natural allies aren’t in power to protect the ABC. This is a self preservation test for him.

  12. john constantine

    the long game for the abc is to challenge those that ‘non-think’ to identify themselves during the time of the abbottbeast, so they can be dealt with the way the left always deals with ‘non-think’ when the long dark leftie night of the knives falls over australia again.

  13. Grandma

    I understand Mr. Kenny may have other things he wants to do with his life, but this is just not good enough. This weaseling – and even worse, the SBS re-broadcasting – does not constitute an apology. I hope you will not allow them to add insult to injury by accepting it. Also, isn’t it time the Chaser “boys” – they all look middle-aged to me – graduated and got jobs?

  14. incoherent rambler

    Free speech advocates, note: Three organizations in Australia appear to have unfettered rights to speak and write whatever words they wish. Namely; Parliament, the ABC and SBS. Only one of these organizations represent more than one viewpoint.

    Parliamentarians must ultimately answer to the speaker and privileges committee.

    By the responsible ministers own admission, on radio this morning, the ABC and SBS answer to no one and no law.

  15. Rob MW

    Even my dear old Dad (88 yrs & still working) refuses to watch the ABC any more.

    The ABC is like a floating turd, which takes a good bashing with the brush to get the bastard to flush.

  16. Chris

    Wasn’t the hampster wheel an outsourced production? From the news reports I’ve seen Kenny sued the ABC (for broadcasting it) and Hansen personally. He didn’t sue the company that actually produced the episode. And I haven’t seen any announcement of a settlement between Hansen and Kenny or the production company and Hansen.

    So where is the legal requirement for Hansen or the production company, Hansen or “the Chaser team (who probably aren’t a legal entity anyway)” to apologise? If Kenny wants an apology or restitution from them then shouldn’t he just sue them for defamation directly?

    (Insert small amount of irony around a long standing strategy of organisations outsourcing work in order to deflect responsibility for how work is done by the “independent” companies)

  17. Rabz

    if Mark Scott ($742,847) was smart, he’d probably shut the Chaser team down because they’re causing too much controversy at a time when his natural allies aren’t in power to protect the ABC

    Then just who the fuck is this Squire Turnbull of Wentworth, BTW?

  18. michaelfstanley

    I’m really glad that a public broadcaster has settled (including paying legal fees for) an absurd defo claim over hurt feelings. This can only be good for free expression.

  19. Alfonso

    Indeed, a smart Scotty would deep six the Chasers using the disregard of the defamation settlement as good reason. Thereby scuppering the scandalous suggestion that Their ABC is somehow institutionally biased against non Labor Green politics in Australia. The Chaser Boys will be happy to take one for the team.

    Nah, he won’t have to,the Libs are no threat to the ABC staff collective.

  20. Chris

    Then just who the fuck is this Squire Turnbull of Wentworth, BTW?

    Well as he demonstrated this morning he’s not an Alan Jones puppet. Seriously who does Alan Jones think he is that he can publicly demand that a federal MP, a minister, repeat word for word a statement that Jones wrote? Who else has Jones been feeding prepared lines too?

  21. TonyOrlando

    It is not just SBS, even Quadrant are bullying Kenny!

    Warning, NSFW image [defamatory comment deleted. Sinc]
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2013/12/abc-charter-observed-breach/

  22. Shelley

    Glad you said that Rabz – I was about to comment similarly. What an absolute of crap – surely this will just embolden the bastards at the ABC?

  23. Joe Goodacre

    Rabz,

    Yes he’s an ally of Scott, however I think Turnbull’s power is over-rated.

    He’s desperately on the radio waves saying that he’s a loyal trooper and Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt are terrorists targeting the Liberal party. Doesn’t seem to me to be the actions of a person who commands a lot of respect or support within his party.

  24. incoherent rambler

    If this is the best that Kenny’s legal team can achieve (with the available funds), then the door is clearly open for some pretty wild photo-shopping. Can the chaser team provide us with porn based photo shopped images of the three most recent Prime Ministers?

  25. Joe Goodacre

    Rob MW #1334323, posted on June 5, 2014 at 10:49 am
    Even my dear old Dad (88 yrs & still working) refuses to watch the ABC any more.

    Legend.

  26. egg_

    Time for a merger and trim down of Aunty and SBS – so much for the larger culture of the ABC dominating SBS tosh.

  27. egg_

    The new ‘Chaser boyz’ are The Roast on Aunty and The Feed on SBS.

  28. Shelley

    So ABC24 just cut out of a presser with Malcolm Turnbull to go to a fairly non event siege in Adelaide. I want to hear what MT has to say – surely that is of more interest to the nation? Perhaps ABC didn’t want to hear whatever he was saying (it was something about unity blah, blah)

  29. gabrianga

    No need to “incoherent rambler” I have the negatives.

  30. .

    The issue has always been your scale of response to injurious acts in your life. Acting as if you’ve suddenly had your legs amputated when the ABC needs to be put back in its box leads myself to think you’ve never actually suffered a real set back in life.

    That’s right champ, obfuscate, defend and run interference for this state sponsored oppression.

    Last night you admitted everything you say changes its meaning as you please, so why should we read what you write?

    You can only complain about the violation of liberties once your legs are cut off?

    How are you profiting from the state? There is no explanation for your compliant nature.

  31. gabrianga

    Surely time for “Friends of Turnbull” to scrap all “Chaser” footage?

  32. egg_

    SBS might take on The Lemmywinks Wheel with Mr Slave?

  33. Shelley, that cutaway from the Turnbull was their way of showing contempt for him. A bit like Rudd calling in the Army COS on a Sunday morning and making him wait in the corridor for two hours.

  34. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty,

    Last night you admitted everything you say changes its meaning as you please, so why should we read what you write?

    Of course that statement was a tongue in cheek reference to the nonsense that Ari regularly spouts. Would be obvious to anyone not suffering severe confirmation bias or a dingbat.

    You can only complain about the violation of liberties once your legs are cut off?

    Yes that’s what I’ve said -or maybe that’s +1 to your daily quota of straw men.

    How are you profiting from the state? There is no explanation for your compliant nature.

    You’re profitting as well you dingbat to the same extent. We live in a stable country, predominantly under the rule of law, with free speech to call each other dingbats with access to lucrative markets that enable us to enjoy a standard of living far higher than places which don’t have a state similar to ours.

  35. .

    We live in the best of all possible worlds!

    Have you read Candide yet you imbecile, Joe?

  36. Joe Goodacre

    As per my previous comment on this question Dotty – as much fun as it sounds to read a Voltaire novel, I don’t have the time for it. What’s the three line summary, what does it say and what’s your corresponding point or do you only speak snob and require Voltaire to translate?

  37. .

    “I don’t have time to be told I’m a monstrous dickhead who supports suppression of liberties”

    A one line summary.

    Now fuck off.

  38. Joe Goodacre

    So your short answer is that your approach to these issues is to wildly proclaim how well read you are and for everyone else to ‘go read Voltaire darling, you really must – it makes it so clear darling’ yet you’re incapable of summarising your point in 3 lines or less. Is that the short and long of it?

  39. Cold-Hands

    Wasn’t the hampster wheel an outsourced production? From the news reports I’ve seen Kenny sued the ABC (for broadcasting it) and Hansen personally. He didn’t sue the company that actually produced the episode. And I haven’t seen any announcement of a settlement between Hansen and Kenny or the production company and Hansen.

    Chris, Kenny sued the ABC, the Chaser Production Company (“Giant Dwarf Productions” ) and Andrew Hansen. Get your facts straight before you opine out of your nether fundament.

  40. manalive

    Have you read Candide yet you imbecile, Joe?

    Tony Orlando could probably help him out with the lyrics of Candida.

  41. Joe Goodacre

    Apologies Dotty – I didn’t realise that Voltaire speaks through you.

    In that sense you and Voltaire are one. His work is your work – you’ve already made your point because Voltaire made it.

  42. .

    Joe Goodacre asks for a short answer, gets told to fuck off and doesn’t like it.

    He then calls another bloke darling after making several homophobic jokes in the last few days.

    You’re a silly old fart who is homophobic and doesn’t like freedom.

  43. .

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334388, posted on June 5, 2014 at 11:36 am
    Apologies Dotty – I didn’t realise that Voltaire speaks through you.

    In that sense you and Voltaire are one. His work is your work – you’ve already made your point because Voltaire made it.

    Whereas Joe Goodacre doesn’t stand on the shoulders of giants. He’s far too clever for that. The meaning of the words will change, those evil pricks on veterans pensions, immigration and non Christians will fall away and THEN and only then can we have free markets and our civil liberties back.

    Fuck this. I’m not babysitting you all day you nutter.

  44. struth

    Since writing to Churn bull about said ABC , I seem to be on the mailing list. This chap seriously sent me a newsletter letting me know of the CEO sleepout. Sleeping rough for charity, and wanting me to donate to the cause……………………words fail me……… needless to say I know where a good billion or so could be put to better use than it is at the moment. Malcom, I can’t afford it, I gotta pay those extraordinary salaries to your ABC.

  45. Joe Goodacre

    Joe Goodacre asks for a short answer, gets told to ‘leave’ and doesn’t like it.

    That’s presumptuous – what’s not to like about a fellow who channels Voltaire.

    What’s the Ouija board tell you is the plan for today Dotty? What does Voltaire enjoy about the 21st Century?

  46. Lysander

    Since writing to Churn bull about said ABC , I seem to be on the mailing list. This chap seriously sent me a newsletter letting me know of the CEO sleepout. Sleeping rough for charity, and wanting me to donate to the cause……………………words fail me……… needless to say I know where a good billion or so could be put to better use than it is at the moment. Malcom, I can’t afford it, I gotta pay those extraordinary salaries to your ABC.

    Yes same here.

  47. Joe Goodacre

    I’m not babysitting you all day you nutter.

    Of course – why would one of the great writers of the enlightenment want to spend his day doing that – I could have told you that without consulting the Ouija board.

  48. .

    He likes that sycophantic shits like you get told off for your acquiescent attitude to state suppression of free speech and state sponsored bullying of a critic of their political friends.

    He also likes that you’ve totally discredited yourself with your smarmy attitude and transparent agenda to run interference for leftists causes.

  49. .

    On another topic, if Mark Scott was smart, he’d probably shut the Chaser team down because they’re causing too much controversy at a time when his natural allies aren’t in power to protect the ABC. This is a self preservation test for him.

    Yes, another topic.

    No criticism of the SBS. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

  50. Lysander

    So this is what I just sent:

    Dear Malcolm’s newsletter witer,

    I wrote to complain about the abc and got fobbed off by your office with some technicalities around their independence and so forth.

    What on Earth made you think I wanted to be fobbed off and then receive your newsletters?

    End the ABC.

  51. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty,

    See we complete each other – Voltaire’s spirit pricks your endorphins whenever you’re raging against the chains I want to shackle you with and I enjoy shaking your snow globe.

    Unfortunately the day can’t be entirely about leisure – do let us know when Voltaire doesn’t mind you summarising his point for us commoners. I remain interested in your point about no society voting to remove free speech in a referendum when it’s eroded continuously through other government channels.

  52. struth

    So this is what I just sent:

    Dear Malcolm’s newsletter witer,

    I wrote to complain about the abc and got fobbed off by your office with some technicalities around their independence and so forth.

    What on Earth made you think I wanted to be fobbed off and then receive your newsletters?

    End the ABC.

    He’s got more front than Myers.
    I should write back too but I must admit to getting a bit lethargic now.
    Computer generated mailing list and then writing back mto one of his public servants, he’ll never see the letter and even if he did, I reckon a million people could be screaming at him and he’d not hear. He would just be looking for the next photo op and smoozing party. A pop culture politician.

  53. .

    I remain interested in your point about no society voting to remove free speech in a referendum when it’s eroded continuously through other government channels.

    Are you a stupid moron or do you love the government you need it’s approval?

    (BIRM).

    I explained to you the problems of voter bias, rational ignorance, median voters in the context of representative democracy.

    These problems don’t exist with referendums.

    Your answer so far to anything beyond a slug’s intelligence is to start declaring anyone who comes up with a decent argument is “in a bubble” – so when are we going to convert everyone to Christianity? Didn’t you say this is when we can have our civil liberties back?

    Your response was to note North Korea when I asked about direct democracy.

    You fool.

  54. Aristogeiton

    For those who are wondering who this Joe Bloviacre twat is, his grand theory of government and law from yesterday is here.

    He’s illiberal, a self-confessed racist, counterfeit conservative, Bolt-hater, an all round idiot, and has an homoerotic fixation on me.

  55. Boambee John

    “if Mark Scott was smart,”

    Joe Goodhectare:

    I look forward to Scott’s reaction to this test, but that’s a big “if”.

    Should he fail, I also look forward to your subsequent letter to the chairman of the ABC Board (a retired judge, whom I assume has some knowledge of the matter of contempt), and the Board’s reaction.

  56. .

    No opinion about the SBS from Joe Goodacre?

    What a good little German.

  57. mizaris

    Um………all this outrage?????? WTF did you expect and why is anyone surprised?????

  58. Pusnip

    If he’s a Bolt hater, he can’t be an ‘all round’ idiot.

  59. Aristogeiton

    Boambee John
    #1334437, posted on June 5, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Joe is a legally legal expert on the law. He once name-dropped Blackstone and the law of equity all in one comment! Hey slave, what do you think about fusion? I would like the expert opinion of an legally legal academic expert such as yourself.

  60. Pusnip

    They’re outraged because that’s what people around here do.
    It’s all pretty childish, but at least it keeps then off the streets.

  61. Aristogeiton

    Pusnip
    #1334449, posted on June 5, 2014 at 12:17 pm
    If he’s a Bolt hater, he can’t be an ‘all round’ idiot.

    His beef with Bolt was that his tone was too mocking in the Eatock articles. He also admitted to being a racist, and accused Bolt of being one too.

  62. mizaris

    fuck off Pusnip – troll

  63. Aristogeiton

    mizaris
    #1334459, posted on June 5, 2014 at 12:23 pm
    fuck off Pusnip – troll

    +1. Just read upthread and am sorry I responded.

  64. harrys on the boat

    Only in the socialist hell that is the ABC would you get the loser in a defamation case publicly mocking the winner and totally disregarding the terms of the settlement.

  65. David

    Have you read Candide yet

    Yes Dotty. And in the original French. It is as boring as reading the instructions on an enema packet. You’ve got to be somewhat pretentious to go throwing Candide about as some sort of divine reference.

    :-)

  66. Chris M

    SBS also broadcasted all the mohammad cartoons as part of the news article at the time. I think? Oh…. maybe not then.

  67. Aussiepundit

    Only in the socialist hell that is the ABC would you get the loser in a defamation case publicly mocking the winner and totally disregarding the terms of the settlement.

    It was a settlement. Legally there was no loser or winner.

  68. Aristogeiton

    Joe Slave reminds me of something Foucault once said:

    Foucault said that Derrida practiced the method of obscurantisme terroriste (terrorism of obscurantism). We were speaking French. And I said, “What the hell do you mean by that?” And he said, “He writes so obscurely you can’t tell what he’s saying, that’s the obscurantism part, and then when you criticize him, he can always say, ‘You didn’t understand me; you’re an idiot.’ That’s the terrorism part.”

  69. Aussiepundit

    It appears that Kenny erred in not demanding an apology from the Chaser as part of the terms of settlement. They are rubbing his nose in it.

  70. Token

    Oh…. maybe not then.

    You know the script, free speech has its limits…

  71. Goanna

    The ABC and SBS are nothing more than welfare for the bourgeois left.
    Sack the lot of them.

  72. H B Bear

    Seriously who does Alan Jones think he is that he can publicly demand that a federal MP, a minister, repeat word for word a statement that Jones wrote?

    Exactly. Howard hasn’t been PM for years now.

  73. H B Bear

    SBS is about as relevant as Malcolm Fraser.

  74. Rabz

    SBS is about as relevant as Malcolm Fraser oops, I mean Malcolm Turnbull.

    To paraphrase Chris Uhlmann ($276,241).

  75. .

    You’ve got to be somewhat pretentious to go throwing Candide about as some sort of divine reference.

    In French. Speak ‘strayan, ‘kay!

  76. Cool Head

    I’ve been out of the country for a while. I can’t believe SBS has sunk so low, the link to that show is stunning in its boganness. Is our non-anglo population really watching this rubbish?

  77. I believe it’s time we remind ourselves of the ‘Philosophy of Liberty’ (and for the Cat’s recent libertarian arrivals who might not have seen it, you’ll love it)

    Can you imagine Q&A discussing this?

  78. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty,

    I explained to you the problems of voter bias, rational ignorance, median voters in the context of representative democracy.

    These problems don’t exist with referendums.

    You’ve provided a list of things you think are important. The next step is explaining why you think they’re important.

  79. Joe Goodacre

    No opinion about the SBS from Joe Goodacre?

    Dotty I want them privatised like the ABC – what other answer were you going to attribute to me?

  80. Andrew

    So the taxpayer is paying Chris Kenny’s defamation action against the ABC??? WTF?!

  81. Aristogeiton

    Grigory Potemkin
    #1334570, posted on June 5, 2014 at 1:33 pm
    I believe it’s time we remind ourselves of the ‘Philosophy of Liberty’ (and for the Cat’s recent libertarian arrivals who might not have seen it, you’ll love it)

    Can you imagine Q&A discussing this?

    Very nice. So many Uncle Tom types around here. Like Goethe said:

    None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

  82. Joe Goodacre

    For those who are wondering who this Joe Bloviacre twat is, his grand theory of government and law from yesterday is here.

    For those wondering why Ari jumps from thread to thread dropping the same nuglets of bald faced lies or statements taken out of context, it’s because he has a crush and thinks this is the best way or getting me in a nude wrestle with him.

    As tempting as it is Ari, I’m going to say no.

  83. Robert Blair

    Rob:

    Even my dear old Dad (88 yrs & still working)

    I will never be able to match that.

    I will be retired by at 85 at the latest – if the moochers keep their hands off my stash that is.

  84. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334586, posted on June 5, 2014 at 1:43 pm
    [...]
    it’s because he has a crush and thinks this is the best way or getting me in a nude wrestle with him.

    As I noted earlier:

    Aristogeiton
    #1334425, posted on June 5, 2014 at 11:59 am
    For those who are wondering who this Joe Bloviacre twat is, [... he ...] has an homoerotic fixation on me.

  85. .

    Goodacre you clown. You want to match wits with Caplan and Buchannan? Go ahead. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Of course they are relevant.

    You don’t support free speech.

    Game over man.

    You said you want SBS privatised. You never said you thought this was suppressive, state sponsored bullying. You simply complained about complaining.

    Basically, you want a happiness patrol like from Dr Who.

  86. johanna

    Goethe was a clever chappie.

    In the beginning was the deed.

    Never mind what people say, it is what they do that you have to pay attention to. Or as Steve McIntyre puts it, “watch the pea.”

    The dissonance between what our public broadcasters say and what they do is an excellent example.

  87. Ant

    RE the ABC, I wish for just one thing:

    That the current government do to it what the Labor Party would do to it if the ABC behaved the way it does towards them.

    I would expect that in just one term the ABC would be completely gutted beyond all recognition.

  88. phantomrider

    How boring our lives would be without the ABC !

  89. Robert Blair

    Dot:

    so when are we going to convert everyone to Christianity?

    At last! I thought you were never going to come over to our side. Bible readings are Sundays, 11:00 o’clock, my place.

  90. egg_

    Joe Slave

    Hehe, fits in well with Lemmiwinks’ Wheel and The Chaser ‘boyz’.

  91. phantomrider

    Bolt has his own TV show why not Allan Jones more crap the better.

  92. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty – what are you talking about.

    The internet is a marvellous thing, but I’m continually amazed by the way words typed on my keyboard magically become something different on your screen. Up is down, black is white to you. I guess this is the formula that powers the rage in your snow globe – take what someone says, reverse it’s meaning, twist it out of context smash that strawman to oblivion, high five yourself and click ‘Post Comment’.

  93. Rabz

    How boring our lives would be without the ABC !

    Yes, especially given that I never read, watch or listen to it in the first place.

  94. Ant

    I don’t pay for Bolt’s show. I don’t pay for Jones’ radio show and wouldn’t pay for his TV either.

    I pay for the ABC, though.

    This simple concept is impossible for a leftist to comprehend.

  95. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334605, posted on June 5, 2014 at 1:56 pm
    Dotty – what are you talking about.

    The internet is a marvellous thing, but I’m continually amazed by the way words typed on my keyboard magically become something different on your screen.

    Not only that, they become magically different in your own mind:

    Joe Goodacre
    #1333468, posted on June 4, 2014 at 6:19 pm
    your answers are crap because you haven’t considered the median voter, the rationally ignorant and the myth of the rational voter, in the context of representative democracy.

    You’re right I haven’t – or maybe I have but call it something different. As Aristo says, my definitions are flexible.

  96. johanna

    Good point, Rabz.

    I have seen some stats recently along the lines that TheirABC’s market penetration is steadily shrinking.

    At what point (leaving aside the obvious – right now) will the defenders be forced to concede that most Australians wouldn’t even notice if it was gone?

  97. phantomrider

    All good, they should take it to the people let them vote. Simple is it not?

  98. .

    Aristogeiton
    #1334615, posted on June 5, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334605, posted on June 5, 2014 at 1:56 pm
    “Dotty – what are you talking about.

    The internet is a marvellous thing, but I’m continually amazed by the way words typed on my keyboard magically become something different on your screen.”

    Not only that, they become magically different in your own mind:

    “You’re right I haven’t – or maybe I have but call it something different. As Aristo says, my definitions are flexible.”

    Lulz…oh no, Joe isn’t a troll. No really.

  99. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1334623, posted on June 5, 2014 at 2:10 pm
    [...]
    Lulz…oh no, Joe isn’t a troll. No really.

    He went quiet on the other thread when pushed to explain why, as he believes the common law is an interference by the sovereign in the liberty of the citizen, the equitable jurisdiction arose.

  100. Joe Goodacre

    Ari,

    Perhaps the most dull witted efforts of yours are when you take a joke and treat it like you’ve captured some great truth.

    You probably wouldn’t be out of place in this crowd…

    Woman: I’m not a witch! I’m not a witch!
    V: ehh… but you are dressed like one.
    W: They dressed me up like this!
    All: naah no we didn’t… no.
    W: And this isn’t my nose, it’s a false one.
    (V lifts up carrot)
    V: Well?
    P1: Well we did do the nose
    V: The nose?
    P1: …And the hat, but she is a witch!
    (all: yeah, burn her burn her!)
    V: Did you dress her up like this?
    P1: No! (no no… no) Yes. (yes yeah) a bit (a bit bit a bit) But she has got a wart!
    (P3 points at wart)
    V: What makes you think she is a witch?
    P2: Well, she turned me into a newt!
    V: A newt?!
    (P2 pause & look around)
    P2: I got better.
    (pause)
    P3: Burn her anyway! (burn her burn her burn!)

  101. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334628, posted on June 5, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    What an exceptional riposte!

  102. Joe Goodacre

    Ari,

    He went quiet on the other thread when pushed to explain why, as he believes the common law is an interference by the sovereign in the liberty of the citizen, the equitable jurisdiction arose.

    The explanation was provided at 9:22 this morning. So either you haven’t read it or you really enjoy the Witch scene in Monty Python so much that you like recreating it. Repeatedly.

  103. cohenite

    It was a settlement. Legally there was no loser or winner.

    Was the matter settled and was part of that settlement that the feckless, gonadless chasers apologise? And the choirboys didn’t apologise? Well then this may be a case where my dear friend Aristogeiton’s distinction between criminal and civil law comes into play.

  104. Chris

    Was the matter settled and was part of that settlement that the feckless, gonadless chasers apologise? And the choirboys didn’t apologise?

    From the public statements of the Chaser it would appear that there was no agreement that they would apologise. From the news reports the settlement is between the ABC and Kenny with the only proviso that the Chaser not say anything that detract from the ABC apology (which is pretty hand-wavy language IMO).

    It sounds like the Chaser-folk would be happy to go to court, but then they’re solely in control of their actions whereas the ABC is ultimately answerable to the ABC board appointed by the government.

  105. .

    The explanation was provided at 9:22 this morning. So either you haven’t read it or you really enjoy the Witch scene in Monty Python so much that you like recreating it. Repeatedly.

    Why don’t you fuck off and read Candide?

  106. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty – it’s apparently boring and by your own actions, not capable of being summarised in three lines. Doesn’t sound tht enticing.

    Of course being the vessel of Voltaire you would spruik it. Must burn you up though that royalties don’t go your way. If only other people could just see what you do with a Ouiji board.

  107. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334635, posted on June 5, 2014 at 2:19 pm
    Ari,

    He went quiet on the other thread when pushed to explain why, as he believes the common law is an interference by the sovereign in the liberty of the citizen, the equitable jurisdiction arose.

    The explanation was provided at 9:22 this morning. So either you haven’t read it or you really enjoy the Witch scene in Monty Python so much that you like recreating it. Repeatedly.

    Oh, you mean this dipshittery:

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/06/04/abc-apologises/comment-page-2/#comment-1334231

    You provide a mongrelised history of the actions on the case for words, then just repeat the same howler you always do:

    Sovereign power inserted itself into the lives of citizens to put restrictions on what could and couldn’t be said.

    This does nothing to explain how, if the common law is an interference by the sovereign in the liberty of the citizen, the equitable jurisdiction arose.

    By the way, I do like the way that you confuse the spiritual authority of the Ecclesiastical courts with the authority of the Crown.

  108. rebel with cause

    struth – same thing happened to me. Wrote Turnbull to tell him I was sick of seeing the ABC waste taxes on their anti-progress agenda and he should sell the joint; got an email back saying how much he loves the ABC because it is ‘independent’ and he’ll never sell it. Then he subscribed me to his email list. Cheeky bastard. I’ve written a half dozen other politicians in my time and never had that done before. Turnbull might be rich, but he’s not got much class.

  109. .

    “It’s not capable of being summarised in three lines”

    That would be to surmise it, you twit.

  110. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334660, posted on June 5, 2014 at 2:31 pm
    [...]
    Of course being the vessel of Voltaire you would spruik it. Must burn you up though that royalties don’t go your way. If only other people could just see what you do with a Ouiji board.

    Fuck me, your wit is razor sharp! Tell me again how I’m a homosexual who lusts after you.

  111. Robert Blair

    Joe Goodacre:

    Here you are Joe – just what the Dot ordered:
    Candide (Live Comics Edition)

  112. Aristogeiton

    Link the the thread outlining for the layman what I call the ‘Bloviacre Unified Theory of the Sovereign’.

    The good book says ‘spare the rod and spoil the child’, however Joe makes me wonder how true this is, or how colossal a twat he would have become if his parents had not beaten him severely.

  113. James D

    Privatise them both.

  114. Generic Person

    Twitter has been awash with even more defamatory tweets about Kenny’s sexual affliction for dogs.

    This is what happens when you try to ban or punish speech with the heavy hand of government or legislation. It simply aggravates the haters and enriches lawyers.

    Yes the skit was tasteless, but seriously the whole saga has simply drawn yet more attention to it and Chris looks like someone who got paid off on the taxpayer dime because his feelings were hurt. Please.

  115. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty,

    You’ve spent a day gas-bagging instead of simply summarising your point shorter than a novel.

    So it can’t be a lack of time that would explain why you haven’t done it.

    One can only presume that it’s either beyond you, you don’t the literature that well yourself or you’re chucking a Mann and don’t want your data being examined.

    Perhaps actually making your point would be more productive than picking on grammar and spelling etc – can’t risk that though could you.

  116. .

    Generic Person

    Slander and libel have an economic aspect to them. You cannot easily justify this away.

    The Chaser Kids are paid off the taxpayer dime anyway and are given a platform to slander others.

    How are they different to a royal propagandist from the late middle ages?

  117. .

    Utterly pathetic, Goodacre.

    “Summarise a 30 chapter novel in three lines or this proves I’m right”

    No you twit. You are as gullible as Candide and your philosophy is as bankrupt as Pangloss.

    You trivialise the loss of liberty because it is what you believe in.

  118. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1334784, posted on June 5, 2014 at 4:10 pm
    Utterly pathetic, Goodacre.

    “Summarise a 30 chapter novel in three lines or this proves I’m right”

    No you twit. You are as gullible as Candide and your philosophy is as bankrupt as Pangloss.

    You trivialise the loss of liberty because it is what you believe in.

    Hey, Joe; fuckwit. Your logical fallacy is: burden of proof.

  119. Joe Goodacre

    Robert Blair,

    Quite a funny series – cheers.

    Still blank on Dotty’s point though.

  120. Aristogeiton

    I can’t believe this illiberal fuck feigns a concern for liberty, yet wants to deny citizens their private law rights, and only agrees that illiberal laws should be repealed on condition that the welfare state be dismantled.

  121. Generic Person

    Dot

    Please explain the economic damage suffered by Kenny? He’s an ex-politico and has his own TV show on the pro-Liberal Sky News network as well as a regular op-ed in The Australian. He is not out of pocket in any way. Nobody is going to sack him for fear of him being ‘up a dog’, in fact his supporters will double-down on their support.

    Halling in the lawyers is all about settling scores with a perceived-leftist national broadcaster that he has long campaigned against. Now, I happen to agree that there are some issues of left wing bias in some ABC shows. That isn’t the point. It is that by continuing to propel the issue by suing them and Andrew Hansen, he has in fact emboldened them and their ilk to do similar things, as evidenced by the ongoing attacks on social media and the Chaser outright refusing to apologise.

  122. .

    “We live in the best of all possible worlds”

    Words fail me as to your aggressive stupidity.

  123. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty,

    When your point is a novel, and can’t be made any shorter that counts as an epic fail.

  124. Aristogeiton

    Generic Person
    #1334789, posted on June 5, 2014 at 4:17 pm
    Dot

    Please explain the economic damage suffered by Kenny? He’s an ex-politico and has his own TV show on the pro-Liberal Sky News network as well as a regular op-ed in The Australian. He is not out of pocket in any way.

    Pro-Liberal! Well that proves it! In any event, this was an out of court settlement.

  125. incoherent rambler

    there are some issues of left wing bias in some ABC shows

    An understatement that causes much mirth.

  126. Joe Goodacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds

    Is that what you’re attempting to say.

    Are you serious – you take a day to stumble out another straw man. Priceless. You really are dotty by name and nature.

  127. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334792, posted on June 5, 2014 at 4:18 pm
    Dotty,

    When your point is a novel, and can’t be made any shorter that counts as an epic fail.

    You’re an epic fail, you lying, bloviating ninny. That you can write what you wrote here demonstrates categorically that you are dumber than a sack of horseshit.

  128. .

    GP

    The ABC’s apology tends to suggest they believed they caused economic harm.

    Each twitter account isn’t broadcast nationwide.

    They refuse to apologise because they believe they have a right to be taxpayer funded left wing bigots and propagandists, nothing more.

    This is not a reason to roll over. It is another reason to go to court once more – and privatise the ABC.

  129. incoherent rambler

    Am I correct that the minister responsible is saying that the only area where he has control over the ABC is their budget?

  130. .

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334792, posted on June 5, 2014 at 4:18 pm
    Dotty,

    When your point is a novel, and can’t be made any shorter that counts as an epic fail.

    Brutal, aggressive stupidity.

    “Explain the point of The Silmarillion in three sentences or less or you have no justification for unanimous jury verdicts and you ought to piss off to Haiti because you hate Boob Car and thus ‘straya! GO!!!”

    Brutal, aggressive stupidity.

  131. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334797, posted on June 5, 2014 at 4:21 pm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds

    Is that what you’re attempting to say.

    Are you serious – you take a day to stumble out another straw man. Priceless. You really are dotty by name and nature.

    This guy really gets it. I’m reminded of the Streetcar musical from the Simpsons.

  132. .

    No Goodacre, “why does God allow bad things to happen” was not my point you fucking idiot.

    The point is you constantly run interference for the curtailment of liberties and have argued absurdly that we don’t have a right to complain unless we’re being shoved into a gas chamber, or we ought to nick off to a third world hellhole, because we’re not patriots.

    You once told us the LDP wasn’t libertarian enough for you. More fool me for believing you with your bizzare fascist ideology.

  133. .

    ‘I have always depended on the kindness of strangers…’ (LOL)

    “SEE! We REALLY do live in the best of all possible worlds!”

    etc.

  134. Aristogeiton

    You’d think I’d learn Dot. Last time I got into an argument with this guy it ended in me saying:

    I’m not going to converse with you further because you are too stupid for it to be possible in any meaningful way.

    And here I am again.

  135. Joe Goodacre

    The point is you constantly run interference for the curtailment of liberties and have argued absurdly that we don’t have a right to complain unless we’re being shoved into a gas chamber, or we ought to nick off to a third world hellhole, because we’re not patriots.

    Dotty, you probably run the most interference for the curtailment of liberties out of anyone I’ve seen. You’re the nutbag that ordinary people disassociate with because of your opinions, your take on reality and your aggressive search for relevance.
    Like I’ve said elsewhere – you demand ‘give me guns because otherwise I’m your slave’ and people go ‘this guy’s crazy – who does he vote for? Ohh, I’m for the other guys’. Look in the mirror pal – you are so far out in la la land spouting aggressive nonsense that anyone wanting to share society with you wants your liberties restricted. You are your own enemy.

  136. Joe Goodacre

    As the saying goes – with friends like you, the quest for greater liberty doesn’t need enemies.

  137. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334838, posted on June 5, 2014 at 4:46 pm
    [...]
    Dotty, you probably run the most interference for the curtailment of liberties out of anyone I’ve seen.

    Fucking lawl! You were MIA on the LDP immigration policy thread; you could have explained how Dot was a cultural Marxist.

  138. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334841, posted on June 5, 2014 at 4:47 pm
    As the saying goes – with friends like you, the quest for greater liberty doesn’t need enemies.

    With voters like you, it’s no wonder that “man is born free, but he is everywhere in chains”.

  139. .

    Dotty, you probably run the most interference for the curtailment of liberties out of anyone I’ve seen. You’re the nutbag that ordinary people disassociate with because of your opinions, your take on reality and your aggressive search for relevance.

    Most people on this blog agree with me, fuckhead. I get along well with David L, and he is being well received in the media.

    Do you really think if I defended free speech then asked you to prove me otherwise, and your answer was “North Korea”, that you’d win people’s hearts and minds? Yet you have the audacity to tell other people they live in a bubble. FFS you freak.

    I’ve argued relentlessly with you, a bloke who reckons Kevin Rudd should be arrested for incitement for considering use of force in Syria and another dude who thinks Nepalese murder their neighbors routinely.

    You don’t like me because I refuse to accept your absurd “patriots don’t complain” bullshit.

    Look in the mirror pal – you are so far out in la la land spouting aggressive nonsense that anyone wanting to share society with you wants your liberties restricted. You are your own enemy.

    No.

    This may be your wet dream. The reality is libertarianism is becoming more and more popular.

    Eat shit, pal.

  140. tgs

    Dotty, you probably run the most interference for the curtailment of liberties out of anyone I’ve seen.

    Yeah, this is just complete bullshit.

  141. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty,

    Most people on this blog agree with me. I get along well with David L, and he is being well received in the media.

    Let’s give you the benefit of the doubt, that everything you’ve said there is true.

    The Cat represents a small segment of how the population votes. I bet you go down like a sack of bricks in conversation with ordinary people who haven’t read Hayek. The only way you wouldn’t know that is if you’re the bubble boy from Seinfield and the Cat is your only interaction.

    Do you really think if I defended free speech then asked you to prove me otherwise, and your answer was “North Korea”, that you’d win people’s hearts and minds? Yet you have the audacity to tell other people they live in a bubble. Dotty – I agree with you on most things, yet I think you’re dotty and off your nutter. What do you think your appeal is with people who don’t think we’re better off with free speech, no gun control, less than 10% taxation…

    I’ve argued relentlessly with you, a bloke who reckons Kevin Rudd should be arrested for incitement for considering use of force in Syria
    I don’t remember saying anything like that. I think it was stupid and we shouldn’t be getting involved – not sure where you’ve gotten the rest of that from.

    another dude who thinks Nepalese murder their neighbors routinely.
    Are you still talking about me or is this another person.
    You don’t like me because I refuse to accept your absurd “patriots don’t complain”

    Dotty – the point has always been about keeping where the country can be improved in perspective. You sound like those lefty Australia haters out there . There’s not a lot of difference between how you act and Margo Kingston. Sure you change a few words around a through a few ‘Von Mises rocks’ in there yet you’re both broken records… ‘Australia sucks, this country sickens me, but I and my opinions are super popular’

  142. .

    The Cat represents a small segment of how the population votes. I bet you go down like a sack of bricks in conversation with ordinary people who haven’t read Hayek. The only way you wouldn’t know that is if you’re the bubble boy from Seinfield and the Cat is your only interaction.

    Um no. Do you seriously think YOUR fucking fruity opinions about re-christening the nation before we get back untrammeled free speech is gonna impress anyone?

    Champ, you think the right answer to “why would Switzerland in a referendum vote away their free speech” is North Korea.

    Seriously dude. Who is going to have a good perception of you after such a nonsensical answer.

    Have you ever watched normal people judge politicians on TV?

    Do you have nay idea of how normal people think? Fuck no.

    Now champ – they’re not voting for me. They are voting for people like David Leyonhjelm and Clinton Mead. Oh wait these guys have the same point of view as me.

    You are spinning more untruths from the leftist playbook. Libertarians haven’t got much support so far so they will be perpetually unpopular. You can keep on wishing that is true. Rudd is our perpetual dear leader with 70% approval. etc.

    You don’t agree with me on virtually everything. You think the loss of the presumption of innocence is to be mocked with references to concentration camps and exile to third world shitholes. You put forward an argument that it is unpatriotic to complain. This is pure fascism.

    Who would mock their loss of liberties so gleefully? Someone who supports them.

    another dude …Are you still talking about me or is this another person.

    You are illiterate.

    the point has always been about keeping where the country can be improved in perspective

    Bullshit.

    There’s not a lot of difference between how you act and Margo Kingston

    Bullshit.

    ‘Australia sucks, this country sickens me, but I and my opinions are super popular’

    Somewhat true.

  143. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334883, posted on June 5, 2014 at 5:09 pm
    Dotty

    Dot are you going to let the same prick who called you [lets not name secret identities. Sinc] routinely call you ‘Dotty’? My view is that if dumbshit here can’t even refer to you by your nick, then he doesn’t deserve an answer.

  144. Senile Old Guy

    “Explain the point of The Silmarillion in three sentences or less”

    I would be happy if you could explain the point of The Silmarillion in about 370 pages.

  145. Joe Goodacre

    Ari,

    I’ve been called plenty of things under the sun here. It’s all part of the scrummage on here and water off a ducks back.

    Dotty’s a big boy – don’t start playing his mum.

  146. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334912, posted on June 5, 2014 at 5:37 pm
    Ari,

    I’ve been called plenty of things under the sun here. It’s all part of the scrummage on here and water off a ducks back.

    Dotty’s a big boy – don’t start playing his mum.

    Yes, but you’re an idiot.

  147. Aristogeiton

    Aristogeiton
    #1334903, posted on June 5, 2014 at 5:23 pm
    Joe Goodacre
    #1334883, posted on June 5, 2014 at 5:09 pm
    Dotty

    Dot are you going to let the same prick who called you [lets not name secret identities. Sinc] routinely call you ‘Dotty’? My view is that if dumbshit here can’t even refer to you by your nick, then he doesn’t deserve an answer.

    Sorry Sinc; thought this was common knowledge ;)

  148. Joe Goodacre

    Or do – it’s cute. Dotty would be open to all types of family relationships.

  149. Joe Goodacre

    I’m off to watch Emily Blunt and Tom Cruise in “Edge of Tomorrow’ – gentlemen it’s been a pleasure.

    Till we next battle with the straw.

  150. .

    I wouldn’t let my Mum beat me with an electrical cord.

    Sure your Mum wasn’t Wilson Tuckey, and your childhood was your working years spent at his pub, drunk off your arse abusing the other patrons?

    This is simply devolved into personal abuse and I don’t do that.

  151. .

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334919, posted on June 5, 2014 at 5:42 pm
    I’m off to watch Emily Blunt and Tom Cruise in “Edge of Tomorrow’ – gentlemen it’s been a pleasure.

    You’re the dickhead under false pretences arguing that we should surrender our liberties or move to Nauru.

    How about you fuck off and never come back, champion?

  152. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334918, posted on June 5, 2014 at 5:40 pm
    Or do – it’s cute. Dotty would be open to all types of family relationships.

    Yes. If Dot was a muscular libertarian such as yourself he would have the guts to ban everything but heterosexual relationships which practice sex in the missionary position on alternating Wednesdays for the purpose of procreation.

  153. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1334919, posted on June 5, 2014 at 5:42 pm
    I’m off to watch Emily Blunt and Tom Cruise in “Edge of Tomorrow’ – gentlemen it’s been a pleasure.

    Till we next battle with the straw.

    Ok, so numbnuts is on ignore for me. As badly as this know-nothing prick needs a pasting, he learns nothing and it is a waste of my time.

  154. .

    For a libertarian, Goodacre is highly intolerant of dissent, participatory and direct democracy, constitutional republicanism, martial arts and gays.

    Which is to say he isn’t a libertarian at all.

    Who the fuck is this Goodacre?

    Always signing off as Bill Collins or Roger Ebert? We already have someone as “Tony Orlando”

    Maybe Joe is a good upstanding anti civil liberty libertarian who goes to church regularly, prays for our conversion and dresses and looks like Ron Burgundy.

    Yes champ, you’re gonna win hearts and minds by saying goodbye like you’re hosting the Golden Years of Hollywood.

  155. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1334933, posted on June 5, 2014 at 5:50 pm
    [...]
    We already have someone as “Tony Orlando”

    Not for long at the rate he’s going.

  156. cohenite

    Ah, the Golden years of Hollywood, so-called because they were golden and not brass or some shit like that.

    One thing the abc does do is show some good movies late at night; only the other night they had on Bringing Up Baby.

    If they could restrict themselves to that and other such movies for say about $10 mill PA then you could mount an argument in their defence. What I don’t understand is how entertainment like The Chasers costs so much more than Grant and Hepburn?

  157. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1334961, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:06 pm
    Ah, the Golden years of Hollywood, so-called because they were golden and not brass or some shit like that.

    One thing the abc does do is show some good movies late at night; only the other night they had on Bringing Up Baby.

    Golden age films that I enjoyed include ‘Sunset blvd.’ (1950) and ‘Desire’ (1936).

    I won’t knock Tom Cruise. He’s a savvy businessman and entrepreneur, and has produced many of the films he has appeared in since and including Mission Impossible. ‘Jack Reacher’ was an excellent neo-noir.

  158. cohenite

    Well, mmm, Cruise as Reacher, 6’5″, 250lbs. You might as well say Shorten as PM. Still the worst miscasting has to be John Wayne as Genghis Khan, with his scene stealing Cameo as the Centurion in King of Kings a close second.

    That’s the sort of stuff the abc should be into instead of peddling filth lies.

  159. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1335020, posted on June 5, 2014 at 6:37 pm
    Well, mmm, Cruise as Reacher, 6’5″, 250lbs.

    In understand the objection of people who have read the books, however Jim Grant was apparently enthusiastic about him taking the role. I still think it is a great film.

  160. cohenite

    Yes a great movie; let’s hope Cruise has some pituitary gland issues before the next one is made.

  161. Squirrel

    “…As I keep saying, there are severe and profound governance problems at the ABC and now it seems at SBS too. …”

    In the national interest, those problems should be dealt with – and indeed could be, without displeasing Coalition voters who also support the notion of public broadcasting. Doing so would, however, require more determination and deftness than we have yet seen from the current Government on this subject.

  162. Alf

    Gimme a break, it was a stupid undergrad sketch by people who probably should have known better. So what? Kenny would have been better off ignoring it. To turn it into yet another tiresome attack on the ABC is as stupid as the sketch. We get it. You hate the ABC, or probably any successful public entity – it goes against all you believe in etc etc. To call it ‘state sponsored bullying’ is ridiculous. Perhaps people at the ABC are tired of having to read and hear repetitive and baseless attacks on their integrity by right wing Murdoch shills and other fellow travellers. You don’t have to watch or listen to it. Yes, it’s taxpayer funded, big deal. It’s also an important part of Australian cultural life and one stupid, adolescent sketch changes none of that.

  163. Boambee John

    “one stupid, adolescent sketch changes none of that.”

    Perhaps so, but this is not the first “stupid, adolescent sketch” from this mob.

  164. Alf

    Perhaps so, but this is not the first “stupid, adolescent sketch” from this mob.

    But it might be the first one anyone was bothered suing them over. It takes a special kind of thin skinned opportunism to do that.

  165. Joe Goodacre

    Ari,

    Ok, so numbnuts is on ignore for me.

    It would be nice if I hadn’t heard this before.

    You don’t ound very committed this time either. Turnbull’s committment to Abbott sounds more believable.

  166. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1335074, posted on June 5, 2014 at 7:12 pm
    Yes a great movie; let’s hope Cruise has some pituitary gland issues before the next one is made.

    It’s a serious medical condition. Tom Cruise is 51 years old and just ripped. I don’t know what drugs he’s on, but I want them to be legal by the time I hit that age :)

  167. Aristogeiton

    Squirrel
    #1335076, posted on June 5, 2014 at 7:13 pm
    [...]
    In the national interest, those problems should be dealt with – and indeed could be, without displeasing Coalition voters who also support the notion of public broadcasting. Doing so would, however, require more determination and deftness than we have yet seen from the current Government on this subject.

    Which is to say, any at all.

  168. Aristogeiton

    Alf
    #1335231, posted on June 5, 2014 at 9:38 pm
    Perhaps so, but this is not the first “stupid, adolescent sketch” from this mob.
    But it might be the first one anyone was bothered suing them over. It takes a special kind of thin skinned opportunism to do that.

    Boo hoo. Your prize bull got gored.

  169. Joe Goodacre

    Dotty you’re truly one and the same in name and nature.

    You’re a particularly unpleasant specimen of humanity – always the first to make it unnecessarily personal. Always quick on the profanity and comments dripping with your sweaty superiority and sarcasm.

    You truly are the cake maker and taker when you complain about conversations between us turning personal. If you can’t take it, don’t start it. If you want to continue it – grow a pair and stop complaining. It’s a little pathetic watching a grown man cry and his mum Ari asking for a reprieve.

    If you want it to have civil conversations, that’s preferable to me but probably above your capability.

    If neither of those seem appealing, ignore me. Leave me out of your comments – shrink your snow glob one person less and do us all a favour.

    Either way the Cat’s a great place to learn, plenty of people have interesting things to say without your input but when dotty farts like you want to play a bore, I’ll step up and play right back.

  170. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1334933, posted on June 5, 2014 at 5:50 pm
    For a libertarian, Goodacre is highly intolerant of dissent, participatory and direct democracy, constitutional republicanism, martial arts and gays.

    Which is to say he isn’t a libertarian at all.

    Who the fuck is this Goodacre?

    Always signing off as Bill Collins or Roger Ebert? We already have someone as “Tony Orlando”

    Maybe Joe is a good upstanding anti civil liberty libertarian who goes to church regularly, prays for our conversion and dresses and looks like Ron Burgundy.

    Yes champ, you’re gonna win hearts and minds by saying goodbye like you’re hosting the Golden Years of Hollywood.

    Dot, you’re an exceptional human being, a great judge of character and a devoted libertarian. You’re a credit to this blog and a ruthless slayer of imbecilic trolls. Long may it be so!

  171. cohenite

    Look Aristogeinton, I’m sorry to break this too you, but that part of Reacher had Chris Hemsworth’s name written all over it.

  172. Joe Goodacre

    What a surprise, here comes mum with the pom poms and cheer squad.

  173. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1335287, posted on June 5, 2014 at 10:39 pm
    Look Aristogeinton, I’m sorry to break this too you, but that part of Reacher had Chris Hemsworth’s name written all over it.

    Isn’t he a bit young and insufficiently grizzled? He is 6’3 though.

  174. johanna

    Hey another (or perhaps the same) anonymous pop-up called “Generic Person” appeared and claimed that there is no problemo with having your face broadcasted on national television while buggering a dog.

    Popup – real name, photo, and no problems with creative photoshopping, for national broadcasting. Or just piss off.

  175. cohenite

    Nah, he roughs up well and would do the retrospective Reacher novels when Reacher was young and still in the army.

  176. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1335294, posted on June 5, 2014 at 10:50 pm
    Nah, he roughs up well and would do the retrospective Reacher novels when Reacher was young and still in the army.

    I’ve had the advantage of not reading the novels, so I am not so offended by the casting. In any event, great coreography, and one of the best ‘car chase’ sequences since ‘Bullitt’.

  177. laugh out loud

    Good on you Alf at 7:55. Given hat News has dished it over the past few years, Kenny’s inability to take it is pathetic – talk about growing some. Dress terms up as Nazis or rats or whatever, but he shows he has a glass jaw. Its not about the ABC it is about the pathetic excuse that is Kenny.

  178. .

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    This bloke gets shown fucking a dog, and some 1/32nd and 1/64th Aborigines sue someone for racial discrimination for being called white Aborigines.

    You know it makes sense.

  179. JC

    Badacre, STFU and go away.

  180. Given hat News has dished it over the past few years, Kenny’s inability to take it is pathetic

    What has News dished out that is equivalent?
    And why should Kenny have to “take it?” That sounds like juvenile playground talk. Presumably conservatives should also “take it” when they get physically roughed up a bit as well, in your view?

  181. Andrew

    one stupid, adolescent sketch changes none of that.

    Where do we find these nut jobs? It’s not like the ABC was performing a valuable service until that one-off lapse. Recent crimes:
    - the corrupt Anti-Australia Network tender
    - the gross violation of their contract, doing the exact opposite of their contracted job
    - the live cattle fiasco, which crippled an industry
    - the Cli-fi frauds
    - the Indo spying treason

    And yes, then when criticised the showed the critic fucking a dog – with subtitles. Since then, their conduct has deteriorated.

    Do I care about funding them? No. But I care about funding them to harm the country. If I found I paid Sydney Water to poison the water supply, I would be mighty annoyed.

  182. MT Isa Miner

    Andrew

    #1335442, posted on June 6, 2014 at 2:22 am

    one stupid, adolescent sketch changes none of that.

    Where do we find these nut jobs? It’s not like the ABC was performing a valuable service until that one-off lapse. Recent crimes:
    – the corrupt Anti-Australia Network tender
    – the gross violation of their contract, doing the exact opposite of their contracted job
    – the live cattle fiasco, which crippled an industry
    – the Cli-fi frauds
    – the Indo spying treason

    And yes, then when criticised the showed the critic fucking a dog – with subtitles. Since then, their conduct has deteriorated.

    Do I care about funding them? No. But I care about funding them to harm the country. If I found I paid Sydney Water to poison the water supply, I would be mighty annoyed.

    It’s a public health issue. You give a dog one free bite but the ABC is rabid.

    Where is Rabz?

    Shut. It. Down.
    Fire. Them. All.

  183. Roger

    #1334515, posted on June 5, 2014 at 12:55 pm
    It appears that Kenny erred in not demanding an apology from the Chaser as part of the terms of settlement. They are rubbing his nose in it.

    More likely his legal team erred. It’s one thing to sue a public entity like the ABC but the real fun was to be had watching Julian Morrow & Co. get their comeuppance. A chance to turn the “Chaser boys” into men who own their mistakes has been missed.

  184. john constantine

    abc rural victorian radio yesterday had national pollie andrew broad on for a grab.

    graincorp had announced it was spending 200 million dollars to shift a million tonnes of grain a year from road to rail. some small 60 year old no longer accupational health and safety complient silos shutting in the plan.

    “what responsibility do you take for the closure of these sites” was the abc first question for the national pollie.

    the new presenter of the ‘social engineering of rednecks hour’ is ready to do his best to get the rednecks to vote abc approved rural independent socialist

  185. Token

    “what responsibility do you take for the closure of these sites” was the abc first question for the national pollie.

    That is exactly why Lord Wentworth sees it as vital the ABC retains 4 radio channels & 5 TV channels. He sees it as critical that Shut Up! & the Greens be able to repeat what they did in Indi.

  186. .

    - the live cattle fiasco, which crippled an industry
    - the Indo spying treason

    Absolutely appalling. I would have shut them down on those alone. The first should have caused the government at the time to fall.

  187. Paridell

    Oh dear, first it was the LDP’s immigration policy, now it’s the ABC and SBS. Both topics disappeared in a welter of name-calling, with frequent reference to North Korea. Are we to expect the same with, say Commonwealth-State relations, the Royal Commission into the unions, or any other topic of discussion?

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