Speaking up for commonsense

This post is inspired by an Elizabeth (Lizzie) B. comment on the medical weed thread.

Personally, I’m all in favour of diminishing the cultural appeal of certain drugs by calling out superannuated hippies who glorify drug use, rather than relying on illegality to change behavior (it won’t). I’ve personally seen marihuana do an incredible amount of damage to teenagers, all of whom started out with great bravado about it, and other drugs, as some have mentioned above.

Calling out [......] who glorify [.........] Name your target population and name your issue.

To paraphrase an old saying, the bad will win if the good remain silent.

I want to call out avant garde artists, writers, film-makers etc who produce works of “art” that depict anti-religious themes, glorify criminals, and use obscenity and violence in extreme ways that often appear to be calculated to do the maximum amount of violence to the sensibilities of religious believers and people with conservative values.

Similarly we should call out people who put their feet on the seats on the train, drop litter, vote Green, barrack for Collingwood and think that the European Union is a wonderful organization. What else would you like to nominate? Feel free to be serious.

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154 Responses to Speaking up for commonsense

  1. A Lurker

    I’m currently calling out the Leftist memes, propaganda, crap and lies that daily pollute my Facebook newsfeed.

    When I am able I challenge them, dropping on them a large bucket of ice-cold, real-world facts.
    Usually shuts them up too because facts are inconvenient to the deceitful narrative that they are pushing and cannot be easily refuted.

  2. Carpe Jugulum

    I would call out those who thought that gillzillas mysogony speech was profound and any retard that supports the sea shepherd criminals.

  3. calli

    Feel free to be serious

    Nah…sorry Rafe.

    I want to call out the bloody house painters who dropped my chiffonier full of Coalport when they painted the wall behind it. And didn’t tell me (natch).

    And I have only just found out today as I was packing it up.

    Also in my sights:

    - twenty something females who think that a muffin top hanging over their shorty shorts is attractive
    - old girls who wear really red lipstick on their teeth
    - superficial types who judge by appearance and not character :)

    And there’s a special place in ‘calling out’ hell for the rogues who ensured the demise of my beloved North Sydney Bears

  4. Alfonso

    Anyone who mentions “religion” twice in a call to Call out Glorifiers of …..XXXX……is a S18Cer at heart.
    Fuck off.

  5. Rabz

    Morons who claim that the ALPBC is a professional, objective media conglomerate that justifies having $1.2 billion pa of taxpayers’ money wasted on it.

  6. Rabz

    Oh, thank goodness – I’m not banned.

  7. Ren Hoek

    The female film director who went to North Korea for a holiday.
    Insane.

  8. egg_

    A before/after comparo would be of better use, e.g. a decade of chronic hemp use = paranoic old hippies, per the Hollywood meme.
    GeriUp! anyone?

  9. 70s Playboy

    I’m calling out all people who think that anger and hatred are the only response to the election of the Coalition. The kind of people who worked themselves up into a froth of indignation months before the 2013 election – “How dare Tony Abbott win an election!” – and who now spew forth reams of bile and vitriol.

    The ones who look at you blankly when they tell them that you voted Liberal as their lizard eyes narrow and work up the next head of steam that will gush out of their mouths and ears.

    It’s a lot of fun making people’s heads explode.

  10. Yon Toad

    Girly men who ride motor scooters and anyone who doesn’t support the Roosters.

  11. Gab

    as their lizard eyes narrow and work up the next head of steam that will gush out of their mouths and ears.

    I think he’s nuts but Lefties certainly lend credence to David Icke’s crackpot theory about lizards stepping into people and taking control of them.

    Leftism is a mental illness.

  12. stackja

    Calling out producers who glorify the silly movie or TV shows.
    I prefer the 1950′s TV particularly the westerns and 1940′s movies particularly the detectives.

  13. Walter Plinge

    Girly men who ride motor scooters

    Hang on…there are scooters and then there are SCOOTERS. Presumably one of these or its brethren would make you a man’s man rather than a girly man:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/scooters/2751291/Gilera-GP800-Have-a-hoot-as-you-commute.html

  14. entropy

    Apparently Hollywood is about to do are make of Ben Hur. I strongly doubt it will end well.

  15. Baldrick

    - Greenfilth candidates who glorify communism
    - metro-sexual males with beards who body wax
    - packets of peanuts that say ‘may contain traces of nuts’
    - The Ponds Institute for not being a real Institute

  16. Notafan

    The tertiary institutions that make the Ponds Institute look like a real institution.

  17. Notafan

    Sid and Marty Krofft for only making 17 episodes of Pufnstuf.

  18. Roger

    Trendoids in Brisbane who wear woollen scarves and coats on beautiful, sunny 22 degree C. winter days. And they always seem to be wearing those pretentious oversized tortoise shell spectacle frames that just shout “Look at me! Look how hip I am!” Watermelons the lot of them, I’d wager.

  19. nerblnob

    I’m calling out anonymous commentators on web forums who don’t have the guts to. ….. Oh wait, that’s me.

    I call out anti frackers and related greenery if there’s any sign they might have a brain but otherwise I just let the stupidity wash over me.

    Oh and people who think bicycles ease congestion. Too easy to show that the opposite is true.

  20. Megan

    The entire rarefied atmosphere of the place where I spent the first 23 years if my life growing up, once known and scorned as Fitzroy, now the People’s Republic of Inner City Trendoidism. All of the So Hip It Is Painful tribe that reside within its boundaries; every single one of the Look How Cool I Am clan that spend their weekends visiting and pretending they reside there; every dumb Green Voter lurking in the perfectly manicured and spaced blossom trees along Rushall Crescent; their fashionably attired offspring and hideously ugly designer dogs; their Crumpler bags and fixie death-wish bicycles; and every single one of their idiot town planners since 1975 who have turned the simple, elegant street grid into an impenetrable maze in which you can circle until the end of time.

    I’m deadly serious.

  21. jupes

    That was a very good post Lizzie.

    I’m calling out libertarians who glorify open borders, drug legalisation and gay marriage.

    Drop those three policies and you may actually get elected on your own merits rather than your position on the ballot paper.

  22. egg_

    the simple, elegant street grid

    Take the Greenoid suburbs off ‘the Grid’ and see how they cope.

  23. Di

    I’d like to call out all of the shrieking heads who drove decent men away from wanting to work in primary education, follow religious pursuits and work or volunteer in some sports.

    Leading to a society that doesn’t allow Dad’s or Uncles or Brothers to photograph their families.

  24. Boambee John

    “Apparently Hollywood is about to do are make of Ben Hur. I strongly doubt it will end well.”

    I’d like to see an organisation with the cojones to re-make El Cid!

  25. Robert Blair

    Well, its too late in the day for me to be calling people out.

    I’ve already had several generous nips of Glenmorangie, and I am starting to see Dr. Pangloss point of view…

  26. Rabz

    I’d like to see an organisation with the cojones to re-make El Cid!

    Heaven’s Gate is also crying out for a remake.

  27. kae

    The feet on the seat in the train calling out could lead to being thumped by some of the disrespectful louts which we find occupying our society these days.

  28. Amused

    I’m calling out Dr Dre – the dude isn’t even a real doctor…

  29. Ren Hoek

    Di + Infinity.
    I remember my sons school orientation meeting where one of the single mothers stood up and asked if male parents coming in to help in class would have to have police clearances.
    The silence was deafening until I stood up and said I had no problem with her coming into class without a police clearance because I was sure she was a person of good character.

  30. Aristogeiton

    jupes
    #1337622, posted on June 7, 2014 at 8:14 pm
    That was a very good post Lizzie.

    I’m calling out libertarians who glorify open borders, drug legalisation and gay marriage.

    Drop those three policies and you may actually get elected on your own merits rather than your position on the ballot paper.

    I’m calling out slaves who would hold liberty hostage to the creeping leftism of the modern age. They are the reason modern conservative governments when elected just preside over and slow the expansion of the welfare state. They are also fascists, whose real aim is to suborn the will of their fellows to theirs by violence of the State; for their own good, of course.

  31. David

    any retard that supports the sea shepherd criminals.

    Their pirate ships have been alongside at Williamstown [Melbourne] for a while.

    No matter where I went I couldn’t find a disposals store with any limpet mines and the French DGSE are not answering their phones.

    :-)

  32. kae

    Get the frogs onto it, David.

  33. jupes

    I’m calling out slaves who would hold liberty hostage to the creeping leftism of the modern age.

    Open borders – the Greens love it.

    Drug legalisation – the Greens love it. Maan.

    Gay marriage – the Greens love it.

  34. nerblnob

    The entire rarefied atmosphere of the place where I spent the first 23 years if my life growing up, once known and scorned as Fitzroy, now the People’s Republic of Inner City Trendoidism. All of the So Hip It Is Painful tribe that reside within its boundaries; every single one of the Look How Cool I Am clan that spend their weekends visiting and pretending they reside there; every dumb Green Voter lurking in the perfectly manicured and spaced blossom trees along Rushall Crescent; their fashionably attired offspring and hideously ugly designer dogs; their Crumpler bags and fixie death-wish bicycles; and every single one of their idiot town planners since 1975 who have turned the simple, elegant street grid into an impenetrable maze in which you can circle until the end of time.

    Well at least you can go for a drink in the Rob Roy these days without getting whacked over the head with a sawn-off pool cue.

    Apart from that I LOL’d and smiled broadly at your rant. More power to your keypad Megan. (Not Megan the freegan vegan I hope)

  35. Aristogeiton

    jupes
    #1337800, posted on June 7, 2014 at 10:47 pm
    I’m calling out slaves who would hold liberty hostage to the creeping leftism of the modern age.

    Open borders – the Greens love it.

    Drug legalisation – the Greens love it. Maan.

    Gay marriage – the Greens love it.

    You’re behind the times, dimwit:

    ILLICIT DRUGS

    The Australian Greens do not support the legalisation of currently illegal drugs.

    http://greens.org.au/policies/drugs-substance-abuse-addiction

    Besides which the vanguard of modern leftism are the supporters of the Labor party.

  36. oldsalt

    New Zealand. They found the formula for the best sandals in the world, Kaydees, then stopped making them.

    David – the Frogs will sink boats other than Greenpeace [see Southern Raider] so when you ring tell them that Watson is only using whales as a cover for taking spiny crays in St Paul andAmsterdam while running guns to Kanaky and spying on Kergeulen. You could easily photoshop them and Watson would be history.

  37. nerblnob

    Open borders – the Greens love it

    But they’re against Big Australia and population increase. That’s an easy one to call them out on.
    Well, to be fair, they’re against population, full stop.

  38. JohnA

    Aristogeiton #1337805, posted on June 7, 2014 at 10:54 pm responded to
    jupes #1337800, posted on June 7, 2014 at 10:47 pm with:

    You’re behind the times, dimwit:

    ILLICIT DRUGS

    The Australian Greens do not support the legalisation of currently illegal drugs.

    Followed the linky to see this:

    The Australian Greens believe that:

    The use of all drugs, including legal drugs such as alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceuticals, has the potential to cause harm to the individual and to the community.
    The response to illegal drug use is best addressed within a health and social framework.
    A harm minimisation approach is the most appropriate way to reduce the adverse health, social and economic consequences of drug use, for the individual user and the community.

    “Harm minimisation” = despairing admission of failure on the enforcement of the law

    Let’s try substituting a subject of a more common nature:

    The response to illegal drug usegun use is best addressed within a health and social framework.
    A harm minimisation approach is the most appropriate way to reduce the adverse health, social and economic consequences of drug useshootings, for the individual usercriminal and the community.

    How does that work? … Thought not!

  39. Fair skinned indigenous activists who can’t seem to accept that it was their own ancestors who were the alleged rapists, murderers and dispossessers.

  40. nerblnob

    Like to see those Green fuckers rejecting pharmaceuticals in favour of “harm minimisation” when they get knocked over on their bike by a tram. And of course rejecting a fossil-fuelled ambulance in favour of sustainable green transport to the wind-powered hospital.

  41. Aristogeiton

    JohnA
    #1337843, posted on June 7, 2014 at 11:35 pm
    [...]
    Followed the linky to see this:

    The Australian Greens believe that:

    The use of all drugs, including legal drugs such as alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceuticals, has the potential to cause harm to the individual and to the community.

    Yup. Scratch a greenie, find an illiberal totalitarian.

  42. A Lurker

    I would like to call out those who believe that all cultures are equal, and that our Australian culture isn’t worth protecting or nurturing, and wish to open our borders so that more dominant and more aggressive cultures are allowed in, and under multiculturalism, seemingly given more accommodation and protection than our own; and those newcomers who break our law, and/or show disrespect to our Institutions citing ‘cultural differences’ as their excuse, are let off the hook by our judiciary, when no such leeway would be given to an ordinary Aussie, or would any ordinary Aussie be allowed such leeway if they broke the law in another country.

  43. A Lurker

    I’d also like to call out those who scream misogyny when a single insulting banner is waved at a large rally, or when a conservative male politician winks on a radio set or looks at his watch during Parliament – yet remain quiet when certain people of certain cultural habits torture their young daughters and deny them future adult sexual pleasure by mutilating their genitals, force their womenfolk into ‘freedom sacks’, take part in obviously racially motivated gang-rapes against young Australian women, who think that inebriated young women passed-out on the back seat of their taxis are fair game, and who murder their own womenfolk on a whim just because the husband/father/brother/cousin/uncle/grandfather has ‘lost face’ through the actions of the female.

  44. MartinG

    Since the start of the year, shares in renewable-focused companies have dived as the wider market has rallied.

    I’d call out anyone who says this is not Tony Abbotts fault. I never said he was all bad.

    Now if he can get Barack Obama to wear a blue tie, I’ll admit I may have underestimated his talents.

  45. Snoopy

    The response to illegal drug usegun use is best addressed within a health and social framework.
    A harm minimisation approach is the most appropriate way to reduce the adverse health, social and economic consequences of drug useshootings, for the individual usercriminal and the community.

    Speaking up for common sense? Fail.

  46. struth

    Seeing most here have covered what I would have said, I’ll go with………………

    I call out those displaying the disgusting trait …….conspicuous compassion.

    Look at moi, look at moi, ………look how compassionate I am, I pressed “like” on facebook, ’cause they took some girls or something in some country, like that’s just totally crap” WHILE crying over the eviction of “Jenna” from the big brother cooking show for voices.

  47. Helen

    I would call out all who say a social licence is needed to operate when in fact it is only a means of those who do not have skin in the game seeking to influence or dictate to, those that do.

    I would call out anti fracking zealots who then complain about the cost of living (power) and their inability to survive without more fee stuff.

    I would call out those who remain silent on where multiculturalism is taking our country and squeal about someone looking at their watch.

    I would call out Green’s who do not invite illegal immigrants/country shoppers to live in their houses.

  48. Megan

    Well at least you can go for a drink in the Rob Roy these days without getting whacked over the head with a sawn-off pool cue.

    Usually swung by a member of the fairer sex. And no chance in hell of me being a vegan.

  49. Viva

    I would like to call out the Queen of Australia – for, well, thinking she’s the Queen of Australia.

  50. notafan

    People who call paying for a small part of your own doctor’s bill a tax.

  51. Calling out multinational miners who glorify a quick quid over community lifestyle, freedom of access to private property, and who willfully destroy productive farmland.

    Calling out plutocrats like Clive Palmer and Nathan Tinkler who believe it is quite OK to subvert the democratic processes and buy political influence.

    Calling out politicians like Jeff Seeney who fail to report a corrupt offer for two years, because at the time it was made, the offer came from a life member of the LNP.

    Calling out politicians (especially in Queensland) who seek to sell property, owned cooperatively by taxpayers, for short term financial gain, despite 70% of Queenslanders rejecting the strategy.

    Calling out those who were OK with double the number of overstayers living unauthorised in Australia, as have arrived by boat, but became hysterical about these same boat arrivals.

  52. Gab

    Calling out the leftarded media like Faifax, ABC, Guardian for glorying a mining magnate in the generous form of Clive Palmer but who constantly vilify another mining magnate becuase she’s a female conservative.

    Calling out their hypocrisy.

  53. struth

    Calling out lefties who hypocritically (like numbers) never apply the same standards to their own and are politically tribal no matter what.

  54. Baldrick

    Calling out hypocritical leftard’s who can’t argue the point without trying to damage someone’s career.

  55. Gab

    Calling out leftards that exact their revenge on someone who has an opposing opinion to them by making false accusations about their behaviour to their employer.

    Low-life scum.

  56. Calling out hypocritical leftard’s who can’t argue the point without trying to damage someone’s career.

    Tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?

  57. Calling out leftards that exact their revenge on someone who has an opposing opinion to them by making false accusations about their behaviour to their employer.

    Tell me, why did you stop using smack?

  58. candy

    Calling out plutocrats like Clive Palmer and Nathan Tinkler who believe it is quite OK to subvert the democratic processes and buy political influence.

    I thought you would be a big supporter of Clive Palmer, 1735099, given your complete aversion to Tony Abbott.
    My observations/experience tell me that it is stock standard practice amongst the left, nought to do with considerations of policy, but you know, if a politician/public figures is an Abbott hater, therefore that makes them thoroughly likeable and eminently acceptable, even if they are “big miners”.

  59. Baldrick

    Calling out a ‘peaceful’ religion for producing so many fundamental murderous radicals.

  60. candy

    sorry, got my italics mixed up,

  61. Gab

    Calling out leftards for their lies, double-standards and hypocrisy.

  62. Baldrick

    One of these days Alice. One of these day!

  63. Tel

    Calling out those who were OK with double the number of overstayers living unauthorised in Australia, as have arrived by boat, but became hysterical about these same boat arrivals.

    And who was that? The two main problems with the people smuggling industry is that people end up washed up on rocks, and people turn up with no paperwork, no identity, and no passport.

    Yes, people overstaying their visa is a problem, but not the same sort of problem. On a regular basis these people are found and in most cases it is accidental or at any rate they go back home without any fuss.

    Calling out plutocrats like Clive Palmer and Nathan Tinkler who believe it is quite OK to subvert the democratic processes and buy political influence.

    That would include the ALP for sure then, because they take an awful lot of political donations. Not to mention the major parties grant themselves money out of the taxpayer’s purse, which is even more undemocratic.

  64. struth

    The ALP funded by union fees.

  65. My observations/experience tell me that it is stock standard practice amongst the left,

    That’s called stereotyping.
    There’s a lot of it about on this site.

  66. notafan

    Calling out gilded youths everywhere for having dull eyes, flat heads and no brains at all.
    (Thankyou Mr Paterson for recognising them early)

  67. Baldrick

    Calling out for the sake of calling out, ’cause I’ve had a friggin gut-full and I’m not gonna take it anymore!

  68. struth

    The left IS stereotypical…..

  69. blogstrop

    Yep, there he goes again with the false equivalence.
    Overstayers have been properly processed and identified before they arrive.
    Boaties are all-too-often presenting themselves without proper ID in order to plead a false case.

    We’ve been through all this before, but Sinc allows this slow learner to keep popping up like some sort of protected species.

    To educate, entertain and inform.

    Get rid of him. He’s not actually educational, entertaining or informative.

  70. Tel

    The ALP funded by union fees.

    A lot of corporations make chunky donations to the ALP. That’s one thing the Greens bothered to document.

  71. candy

    That’s called stereotyping.

    Oh, well it’s might odd, isn’t it, 1735099?
    Clive Palmer is a “big miner”, a huge “carbon footprint” (if you’re into that kind of thing),
    a billionaire who does not share his wealth, and a sexist we’ve just found out.
    Yet – the ABC and Fairfax love him. Now, that can only be because Clive Palmer verbally abuses the PM every other day and is set to block Senate to destroy the Abbott agenda.

    So, I don’t think I’m stereotyping the Left. They fit a pattern of hate Abbott/conservatives. Perhaps it’s always been that way.

  72. Tel

    Get rid of him. He’s not actually educational, entertaining or informative.

    Presumably if this blog is delivering education, entertainment and information, there must be someone out there getting educated by reading it. One can hope that numbers is that guy.

  73. Yep, there he goes again with the false equivalence.

    There’s nothing “false” about the reality of being in the country without a valid visa.
    What is “false” is the using of visual imagery of people arriving on leaky boats to pander to base bigotry, and using the hysteria created as a political wedge.
    Queuing at customs at an international arrivals is nowhere near as effective a dog whistle.

  74. Kingsley

    I’m calling out all governments of all persuasions who when they construct a building etc say “the ….. Government built it”. No they didn’t our taxes did and THAT is what should be on the damn plaque!

    Likewise when some lobby group says ” the government should provide more funding for such and such”
    That should be corrected to “we think the government should take even more money off people with jobs and businesses to pay for our pet cause”

  75. Baldrick

    Calling out ‘asylum seekers’ who arrive by boat in designer clothes, iPhones and look like they haven’t missed a meal in 10 years and have more muscles than a Peter Slipper text.

  76. Clive Palmer is a “big miner”, a huge “carbon footprint” (if you’re into that kind of thing),
    a billionaire who does not share his wealth, and a sexist we’ve just found out.

    Clive Palmer was simply born too late.
    There was a generation of individuals with his world view in Queensland between 1968 and 1987.
    They persist in NSW, and their members from the big end of town are the real power behind the Abbott government.
    They’re simply better advised these days.
    The only difference between the PUP and the Coalition is that the corruption is blindingly apparent in the PUP.

  77. tomix

    Translation: PUP are taking voters away from ALP/Greens.

  78. notafan

    Calling out ‘asylum seekers’

    who stop in Thailand on the way for boob and nose jobs
    Calling out people who claim overstaying your legal entry usually for a short period and then goind home is the same as coming by boat, destroying your documents and falsely claiming asylum by pretending to come from a different country.

  79. struth

    “I’m calling out all governments of all persuasions who when they construct a building etc say “the ….. Government built it”. No they didn’t our taxes did and THAT is what should be on the damn plaque!”

    I agree whole heartedly but to add.
    I often see a sign up about a road improvement, say a tiny section of road has had 500 metres of passing lane added with the sign……..”bumsville passing lane , gov building safer roads blah blah, cost……$2.5 billion.
    They are so ignorant of where the money comes from, they are actually putting up signs to let me know how much the contractor or government body responsible, is ripping me off.

  80. laugh out loud

    All those “libertarians” who oppose gay marriage and decriminalisation of illegal drug use. What business is it of yours if others participate in these practices.

  81. Had to deal with a “hard-core lefty” (his own words) until 1am this morning. Indisputably leftism is a mental illness.
    This feller had more conitive dissonance, inability to coneptualise cause & effect, and desire to radically use other people’s hard work for his own wankery causes, that it wasn’t funny.

    He’s so far left it’d be doing the country a favour to shoot him. In his 40′s he’s never had a job (never will), now on his umpteenth degree at uni, is a firm believer in opening the borders (turns out he isn’t in favour of it, coz I expressed glee at how his plan would mean millions upon millions of hard working asians flocking to Oz) and is of the belief that as “we stole” this country we don’t deserve to have any say in how it is run, or any exclusive use of it.
    (Though it turns out he does believe that we should stop any asian who wants to come here to work hard)

  82. SirJim

    I’m calling out cricket commentators who assert that “the ball travelled to the fence like a tracer bullet”. I’ve watched a lot of cricket and I’ve yet to see a ball glowing with an internal phosphorescent glow. This might change if we get day/night test matches and the lights go out, but I somehow doubt it.

    Oh, and leftist loons of all shades, but that should go without saying.

  83. struth

    Steve, was he drinking in your pub? Where did he get the money from?

  84. laugh out loud

    Calling out Gab, for his usual partisan incoherence.

  85. Baldrick

    Steve, was he drinking in your pub? Where did he get the money from?

    … And more importantly, what was he drinking – boutique bottled beer, Curacao and Smirnoff, a C.S. Greenie?

  86. Baldrick

    Kingsley
    #1338173, posted on June 8, 2014 at 12:13 pm
    I’m calling out all governments of all persuasions who when they construct a building etc say “the ….. Government built it”. No they didn’t our taxes did and THAT is what should be on the damn plaque!

    Spot on Kingsley. I hate those plaques which read …
    “This bridge was opened on by the Honourable Bla bla OAM, D.H. Minister for Public Works and was built at a cost of $ bla bla millions and provides a vital piece of infrastructure for the bla bla region.”

    They should read:
    “This bridge is dedicated to all the taxpayers of bla bla, because without your taxes that not only support those on welfare, it’s also gone into building this bridge.”

  87. Steve, was he drinking in your pub? Where did he get the money from?

    Presumably he got the money from his husband, who has an executive position with a large govt owned corporation.

    And more importantly, what was he drinking – boutique bottled beer, Curacao and Smirnoff, a C.S. Greenie?

    Cocktails.

  88. mizaris

    Caling out numbers who is just a boring, conservative, leftist troll, with not an original idea to his name.

  89. Clam Chowdah

    All those “libertarians” who oppose gay marriage and decriminalisation of illegal drug use. What business is it of yours if others participate in these practices.

    I’m calling out all those retarded libertarians who fail to predict that their policies may have unintended negative consequences.

  90. laugh out loud

    Calling out all those libertarians who are prepared to compromise their “principles” on imaginary adverse consequences, thereby showing their opportunism and lack of principles.

  91. egg_

    The left IS stereotypical…..

    Bingo.
    Slightly OT, but The Checkout recently had a segment on organic produce that was well-balanced – someone, somewhere must be doing something at Aunty…

  92. laugh out loud

    Calling out those who argue for freedom and liberty (for themselves) but refuse the same rights to others.

  93. egg_

    …unless, The Chaser boyz feel they’ve somehow been dudded by the products’ claims…

  94. notafan

    The Checkout recently had a segment on organic produce that was well-balanced

    I saw that, read it as basically it doesn’t work but if you must….

  95. egg_

    Calling out those who argue for freedom and liberty (for themselves) but refuse the same rights to others.

    The BIG Green movement?
    Dead right.
    GetUp! ‘em, eh?

  96. laugh out loud

    Didn’t think Greens and Getup were opposing same sex marriage or drug law reform unlike many others on this site who want to decide how others should live.

  97. Molly Molloy

    Calling out for pizza…

  98. notafan

    opposing the extension of the concept of marriage to the relationships of men with men and women with women isn’t

    decide how others should live

    It is saying this is what this word means and has always meant and please go get your own word.
    It’s the same miasma that allows men to declare they are women and vice versa, no amount of saying will change what cannot be changed.
    Same sex marriage proponents are also too often facists who deny free speech and seek to damage and destroy people who disagree with them.

  99. oldsalt

    Some facts for Numbers and his critics.

    Most asylum seekers who enter Indonesia to come to Australia do so with falsie identities. Those who have passports under their real names throw them away at this stage to make it difficult for Jakarta to deport them. Others throw their passport away just before Navy intercepts their boat, because it’s a false id. Those who have registered with UNHCR using their real name have a UNHCR card which confers asylum seeker status. Some of these cases have been processed and they have refugee status.

    In the past we’ve dealt with a buildup of visa overstayers by issuing a general amnesty. Half the Cyclone Tracy reconstruction workforce became citizens this way. Their children are prominent, including a well-known singer. General amnesties are still a useful tool.

  100. Demosthenes

    It is saying this is what this word means and has always meant

    Word meanings change. Societies change.

    No-one is forcing you to use the word in any way you don’t want to.

  101. notafan

    No-one is forcing you to use the word in any way you don’t want to.

    And if they force me to recognise a ‘marriage’ that is not a marriage between a man and a women. by making it illegal not to do so, what then?
    Societies change yes but the relationship between one man and one women can never be anything but mimicked by the relationship between any others, it is what is is. Same reason I oppose polygamy.

  102. struth

    I can oppose what I want to oppose, and support what I want to support.
    I call that freedom.
    I demand the freedom of speech to do so.
    I also support your right to support whatever you want to “laugh out loud”.
    And there in lies the difference between us and the media controlling, free speech controlling, politically correct ( stifles free speech), nanny state, big government knows best, govern from the top down, corrupt, left.

  103. Eddystone

    I’m calling out the AFL for politicising and wussifieing a great game.

    I hate the bastards! (NADT, natch.)

  104. struth

    This bullshit about not standing for freedom if you don’t agree with allowing a free for all in society is hogwash.
    Example.
    No one here or anywhere would advocate for perverts to be allowed to Jack off in front of children.
    There is a line.
    .
    Now the cronic and impulsive masterbaters society may have a problem with this, but through freedom of speech, democracy, and argument, the majority reckon it’s sick and shouldn’t happen for the good of children.
    Keeping your dick in your pants becomes law.
    The left are basically advocating that people that oppose public wanking should be silenced and sidelined.
    Freedom means freedom for all to have a say in how our society’s values and laws are settled upon.
    I have used a rather grotty, sick little example, but that’s the sort of talk that for some reason keeps lefties amused.
    Like Dog F%^&$%ing and pubic hair knitting.

  105. Ren Hoek

    Demosthenes:
    A few things that will never change:
    A gay person and a gay person cannot have a gay child or a straight child, or a transgender child etc.
    That cannot have children at all.
    Gay people only exist because of heterosexual people.
    The easiest solution to the so-called gay marriage debate is simple.
    Male and male couple garriage.
    Female and female couple larriage.
    And so on.

  106. Calling out all those libertarians who are prepared to compromise their “principles” on imaginary adverse consequences, thereby showing their opportunism and lack of principles.

    Calling out that special combination of naivety, stupidity and arrogance that exists in abundance amongst those who treat society as a grand experiment.

  107. Too Cheap to Meter

    Michio Kaku for his fluffy new age psychedelia masquerading as popularization of science (and for talking with his eyes closed). Arnie Gundersen for being a carpetbagger. Dr Helen Caldicot for having mad eyes and throwing cats. Inclusively all of the aforesaid, for pouring anti nuke propaganda at a credulous MSM all too ready to believe their lies and who fail to retrospectively examine the untruthfulness of their bile. The rest of us who are too lazy to read up on alternative energy options.

  108. Zean

    But Ren, marriage has nothing yo do with children. It’s a non-binding and often abused contract between two people. That’s all.

  109. cynical1

    All those “libertarians” who oppose gay marriage,abortion and decriminalisation of illegal drug use.
    What business is it of yours if others participate in these practices.

    You can’t have freedom just for your pet hobby horses..

  110. Ren Hoek

    But Zean, marriage is defined as as a non binding contract between a man and a woman.
    It has nothing to do with gay people.
    Instead of changing the meanings of existing words and institutions ie gay means happy but now means homosexual, wouldn’t it be simpler to create a new word that represents a new institution?

  111. Notafan

    All those libertarians that oppose murder, hobby horses etc

  112. nerblnob

    All those “libertarians” who oppose gay marriage and decriminalisation of illegal drug use. What business is it of yours if others participate in these practices

    None. And it’s none of yours whether I approve or not, nor is it any of yours what terms I use to describe it.

  113. Tintarella di Luna

    Male and male couple garriage.
    Female and female couple larriage.

    What about harriage to limit duplication unless diversity is at stake

  114. Ren Hoek

    Everyone needs their own new word otherwise people will feel excluded Tintarella.
    And we don’t want that.

  115. Notafan

    I might describe myself as an economic libertarian, based on my limited knowledge of such things.
    When did embracing gay marriage and abortion become mandatory for true believers?
    Did the philosophers contemplate this?
    Abortion and foetus just seem like weasel words because murdering unborn babies doesn’t sound such a valid option in the pursuit of happiness, for those babies, anyhow.
    Gay marriage seems so fundamentallying out of kilter too. Pre contraception marriage without children would be hard to imagine. Marriage just seems like a civilised way to ensure human children have an optimised opportunity to reach maturity. You need a man and a woman for baby making ingredients, it really could be that simple couldn’t it?

  116. Alfonso

    “abortion…..what business is it of yours if others participate in these practices.”

    Indeed, I agree, abortion doesn’t harm anyone else… so obviously it’s fine for you to do what you want.
    Jolly good.

  117. Zean

    Ren, you are correct. However, your example of the word gay has had it’s meaning change, not the actual word.

    Your idea of changing marriage is to change the meaning and the word. Why not just change the meaning like your first example?

    Better yet, just let the institution evolve on its own without the interference of the church or state.

  118. Demosthenes

    When did embracing gay marriage and abortion become mandatory for true believers?

    The first because it fits perfectly with the libertarian mantra of “do whatever as long as you don’t hurt others or infringe their rights”. There’s simply no way the objections to gay marriage can justify themselves according to that principle. They always devolve into what’s ‘best’ for ‘society’. If you think you’re libertarian and oppose gay marriage, guess what…

    However abortion doesn’t have an automatic libertarian position, because the non-aggression principle assumes you’re talking about a person with human rights, and the abortion debate revolves around deciding if a fetus qualifies as such. That decision is not political. It’s philosophical or scientific, or both.

  119. nerblnob

    Better yet, just let the institution evolve on its own without the interference of the church or state

    And without demanding the approval of the church or state? Without any legal guarantees?

  120. Ren Hoek

    Because a cat can also be called a feline Zean.
    Different words meaning the same thing.
    This way everyone gets what they want with the minimum of fuss.
    Next thing we’ll be changing the meaning of happy to be gay.

  121. nerblnob

    Kids in the 1990s used the word “gay” to mean “useless” or daggy.
    They’ve grown up now and that meaning has entered the mainstream.

    Language evolves and no amount of screaming will stop it.

    Which is pretty much what gays told us when ” gay ” replaced “queer”. What goes around ….

  122. Notafan

    So one can’t be an economic libertarian?
    I’m not convinced about the natural evolution thing. I don’t see marriage as an evolutionary concept but a logical understanding of a natural law that is necessary to optimise the continuation of the species. If anybody can marry as few or as many of the same and different sex then it isn’t marriage, it is something else. Just because some people have lost their understanding of the nature and purpose of marriage doesn’t mean we can insist that it can be something it is not. I feel like there is a bunch of people demanding that everyone agree that cats are also dogs and the rest of the world is never going to accept that this is a logical step.

  123. Ren Hoek

    Notafan +1
    My point exactly.

  124. .

    Abu Chowdah
    #1338325, posted on June 8, 2014 at 3:30 pm
    Calling out all those libertarians who are prepared to compromise their “principles” on imaginary adverse consequences, thereby showing their opportunism and lack of principles.

    Calling out that special combination of naivety, stupidity and arrogance that exists in abundance amongst those who treat society as a grand experiment.

    Society is nothing of the sort.

    Government should leave us alone. People in society should do as they please without hurting third parties.

    What society does as a result is not important and it never will be.

    Those who say otherwise are simply crushing the individual to what they think society ought to be, experiment or not.

  125. Demosthenes

    Just because some people have lost their understanding of the nature and purpose of marriage

    That’s where you’re wrong. The purpose of marriage has changed. Thank women’s lib, universal suffrage, and the welfare state.

  126. Notafan

    Sorry Demo, I cannot see what any of those things have got to do with the nature of marriage.
    I’d say women’s lib at the margins has tried to undermine marriage , but really for the vast majority of women in the world so called women’s liberation and welfare are irrelevant.
    The single parents pension was one of those unintended consequences wasn’t it? But both men and women are responsible for that.

  127. MT Isa Miner

    I want to call out avant garde artists, writers, film-makers etc who produce works of “art” that depict anti-religious themes, glorify criminals, and use obscenity and violence in extreme ways that often appear to be calculated to do the maximum amount of violence to the sensibilities of religious believers and people with conservative values.

    Too right, Rafe. Calculated to do maximum amount of damage to all of us because stable society does have a manual and our religion and our traditions are part of the manual.

  128. 1234

    Please send a copy of said manual when available. Neither of you are libertarians but want to enslave us to some dead theology PR philosophy.

  129. Clam Chowdah

    Hello Dot. I love how you maintain absolute faith in the ability of people to find some sort of egalitarian harmony, despite history. It’s very, very cute.

  130. .

    I am sick of the dishonesty displayed by people who know better on this blog.

    I mentioned nor implied anything about egalitarianism.

    Fuck off, shithead.

  131. Aristogeiton

    Clam Chowdah
    #1338865, posted on June 8, 2014 at 9:53 pm
    Hello Dot. I love how you maintain absolute faith in the ability of people to find some sort of egalitarian harmony, despite history. It’s very, very cute.

    Hey, are you the same coward who changed his nick from ‘Abu Chowdah’ when jupes and cohenite accused him of being a Muslim sympathiser?

  132. Clam Chowdah

    Coward? They were confused by the Nick name, sonny. Hence the change, which I declared.

    Everyone who has been at the Cat for the last ten years knows who is who. You’ll learn with time.

  133. Aristogeiton

    Clam Chowdah
    #1339264, posted on June 9, 2014 at 3:06 am
    Coward? They were confused by the Nick name, sonny. Hence the change, which I declared.

    Right. So they thought your nick was a little too ‘muzzo’, and you changed it? Stellar.

  134. Clam Chowdah

    My nick was a joke. But Cohenite thought it was real. I got tired of it and changed it to aid comprehension.

    Not sure why this matters to you. The old timers aren’t confused by it, and I declared my intentions at the time. I’m bemused that you would declare it cowardice, since it was done in the open.

    Hope this is helping you.

  135. Aristogeiton

    Clam Chowdah
    #1339275, posted on June 9, 2014 at 3:30 am
    My nick was a joke. But Cohenite thought it was real. I got tired of it and changed it to aid comprehension.

    I’m not confused. I’m just not a fan of cohenite’s biggoty nonsense and am disappointed you changed your nick as a result.

  136. Clam Chowdah

    He’s psychotic and a monumental bigot, without a doubt.

  137. dover_beach

    The first because it fits perfectly with the libertarian mantra of “do whatever as long as you don’t hurt others or infringe their rights”. There’s simply no way the objections to gay marriage can justify themselves according to that principle.

    Oh, but you said that meanings and purposes don’t change. But, anyway, I don’t see how the above requires the government to recognize SSRs as marriage.

  138. dover_beach

    Sorry, purposes do change.

  139. Combine_Dave

    I’m calling out libertarians who glorify open borders, drug legalisation and gay marriage.

    Drop those three policies and you may actually get elected on your own merits rather than your position on the ballot paper.

    Libertarians (or those that claim to be such), who oppose open borders and wish to retain a massive state for the purposes of enforcing their moral norms (ie; gay marriage, war on drugs).

    Take away those things and guess what. You’re a conservative not a libertarian.

  140. dover_beach

    Libertarians (or those that claim to be such), who oppose open borders and wish to retain a massive state for the purposes of enforcing their moral norms (ie; gay marriage, war on drugs).

    Take away those things and guess what. You’re a conservative not a libertarian.

    What massive state is needed to fail to recognize gay ‘marriages’? It isn’t as if you have anyone in Australia policing SSRs. What an absurd comment.

  141. Combine_Dave

    What massive state is needed to fail to recognize gay ‘marriages’? It isn’t as if you have anyone in Australia policing SSRs. What an absurd comment

    If you continue down this current track you’re going to end up with legalised gay marriage and 18c requiring you to not only recognise their marriages but to applaud it (failure to applaud hard enough will be deemed offensive speech). Better to divorce marriage from the state entirely.

  142. dover_beach

    If you continue down this current track you’re going to end up with legalised gay marriage and 18c requiring you to not only recognise their marriages but to applaud it (failure to applaud hard enough will be deemed offensive speech). Better to divorce marriage from the state entirely.

    Firstly, what track? We have had this situation so far as marriage is concerned since Federation without any massive state intrusion. Secondly, gay ‘marriage’ is not illegal; no one is arrested for living in a marriage-like situation and no laws against any persons having a ceremony with family and friends has ever existed. Thirdly, I look forward to the LDP actually promoting the above policy rather than the policy it already believes is outside the scope of the state which would directly end in such draconian measures. To be honest, these draconian measures are as likely in either regime given that the recent action against a baker in Colorado occurred in a legal jurisdiction where gay ‘marriage’ is not recognized.

  143. Combine_Dave

    I was talking specifically to the idea that the state should regulate and give legitimacy to any partnership denoted as a marriage. This leaves open the possibility (esp in today’s secular age) for the state to legislate and make lawful all kinds of formal relationships that religious types might dislike. For instance gay catholic marriage.

  144. Grumbles

    People who claim to be libertarians then turn out to be for Socialist health care and/or education, income taxation, welfare, prohibition… or a plethora of other fascist totalitarian beliefs.

  145. Most people who claim to be libertarians believe in some level of welfare and certain prohibitions. Anyone who doesn’t understand the reality that certain limitations exist or society would be a clusterfuck, is a lunatic extremist, or a troll.

    Sensible libertarians argue over where to set the bar.

  146. dover_beach

    I was talking specifically to the idea that the state should regulate and give legitimacy to any partnership denoted as a marriage.

    This was a track I was never on. The state did not give legitimacy to marriage. It accepted marriage as it found it.

    This leaves open the possibility (esp in today’s secular age) for the state to legislate and make lawful all kinds of formal relationships that religious types might dislike. For instance gay catholic marriage.

    It already does this by recognizing de facto relationships of any kind and civil unions, and it is within its rights to do so. However, it is not within its rights to appropriate an already existing relationship and fundamentally alter its character.

  147. Grumbles

    Abu Chowdah; True libertarians DO NOT believe in state based welfare, this is the work of charity, not taxation, people have a warped mind set, a sense of entitlement that stems from this. Some believe they can be proud collecting their welfare instead of humble and thankful at the charity of others. ANY belief in state based welfare means that you have successfully been reprogrammed.

    Criminalising anything where there is no victim is stupid, I can’t even wrap my head around why anyone that believes in freedom could accept this. This is prohibition.

  148. dover_beach

    Criminalising anything where there is no victim is stupid

    No one disagrees, where we differ is whether this or that actually harms or wrongs someone.

  149. Yobbo

    Abu Chowdah; True libertarians DO NOT believe in state based welfare, this is the work of charity, not taxation

    You mean anarchists. True libertarians can and do accept some level of taxation, and have an opinion on how it should be best spent.

  150. Grumbles

    Yobbo, you are correct about taxation, I clearly refer to State based Welfare. This is not that for which tax was intended.

  151. .

    There is nothing lunatic or extremist in saying the great society programmes etc failed. This simply bears out in the data.

    I have no objection for welfare ameliorating poverty. There is too much welfare, and it has had the effect of engendering more poverty.

    Ideally, we’d privatise assets which were paid for by taxes to allow people a one off payment to opt out of welfare or otherwise gift the public with assets so that philanthropy would become unnecessary or affordable.

    Welfare is nearly a necessity however since we have a wage floor and ubiquitous and insidious occupational licensing.

  152. Grumbles

    Welfare is a necessity, that private charity could/should provide, rather than forced taxation. You are free to disagree with me, but I have seen first hand how evil the whole welfare system is and how it more than engenders more poverty, it turns those without, against those with. Really those without should be humble and grateful at the immense charity of those, who spend a huge portion of their life doing something that isn’t very enjoyable just to earn money, so they aren’t a burden on others. We wouldn’t have to hear phrases such as “Centerlink stuffed up my pay this week”, and “Can I put you down as a job interview”, and “You don’t know how hard it is to live on so little”

  153. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Just found this old post, as I am treading lightly on the fields of the Cat lately, being rather otherwise engaged travelling and such. Great comments here, guys, and I hope everyone feels better for their own personal bit of ventilation of their own particular irrits. Long live da Cat.

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