Alan Jones talks to David Leyonhjelm

Audio link here.

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188 Responses to Alan Jones talks to David Leyonhjelm

  1. Max

    There is a problem with the Leyonhjelm paid immigration scheme.

    Opening the front door for a price requires high levels of boarder protection to close the back door and side gates.

    So you would still need expensive naval patrols, detention centres, and you’d still have bleeding hearts.

    The bleeding hearts are never gonna stump up the money

  2. Driftforge

    David got a pretty good run from Alan there; accounted himself well.

    I’ve had a quick look at the idea of regionally based minimum wages — basically one takes the average weekly earnings for each of the SA2 or SA3 geostatistical regions and run the 44% that the commission of audit suggested off those numbers, rather than the national average. Areas like NW Tas would see a substantial drop in minimum wages, which would provide a welcome boost to those areas.

    One thing that didn’t come up and is likely to involve David once he drops into his seat is the PPL scheme. I’m wondering whether modifying that scheme to being a tax exemption for 1 or 2 years rather than a payment would be more acceptable to David. A woman could retrospectively apply the exemption, or alternatively, her husband could apply it to his wages for the current and potentially following year. Seems to me a much more ‘libertarian’ approach, and even better from a demographic forcing perspective than Abbott’s approach.

  3. Driftforge

    Opening the front door for a price requires high levels of boarder protection to close the back door and side gates

    Still got that anyway. Lowest cost there comes from keeping that gate shut and known to be shut. Can’t be slack there regardless of what you do in an ordered manner.

  4. Token

    David got a pretty good run from Alan there; accounted himself well.

    David presents very well in the media. He has a talent in providing clear messages, and has learned to focus on the topic of the day and not to get distracted as he did in early interviews.

    He is helped by the behaviour of the Palmer Owner Party children. The professionalism of DL & Day stand in stark contrast.

  5. Alfonso

    Do the fee payers from Denmark, Sweden and Germany include their large number of Western hating, culturally 3rd world Muslims Dave?
    Just asking.

  6. Mr Skeletor

    One thing that didn’t come up and is likely to involve David once he drops into his seat is the PPL scheme. I’m wondering whether modifying that scheme to being a tax exemption for 1 or 2 years rather than a payment would be more acceptable to David. A woman could retrospectively apply the exemption, or alternatively, her husband could apply it to his wages for the current and potentially following year. Seems to me a much more ‘libertarian’ approach, and even better from a demographic forcing perspective than Abbott’s approach

    There is a lot of merit in this idea upon first inspection. It would also reduce the chance of rorting by women who never end up going back to work after collecting the payment.

  7. .

    Lower taxes, not handouts!

    Take excise for example. So much poverty and tough going by pensioners, the lowly paid, students and those looking for work could be rolled simply by abolishing excise tax.

  8. EB

    Do the fee payers from Denmark, Sweden and Germany include their large number of Western hating, culturally 3rd world Muslims Dave?

    Who cares? That’s the benefit of being a political elite, you don’t have to live in the dystopia you create for the rest of the public.

    Pull up the drawbridge and wait for the entertainment as the locals and their new neighbours kick off.

    Green. Liblab. LDP. Whatever.

  9. .

    Green. Liblab. LDP. Whatever.

    Pffffffft….

    Obvious troll is obvious!

  10. EB

    Mate I voted for them, but on that issue there’s little difference.

    Swing open the doors so the volume businesses can party on.

  11. Demosthenes

    I’m wondering whether modifying that scheme to being a tax exemption for 1 or 2 years rather than a payment would be more acceptable to David.

    That’s a pretty good idea.

  12. I am the Walrus, Koo Koo K'Choo

    That’s a pretty good idea.

    Agreed. Good thinking DF.

  13. Frederic

    Just allow income splitting at will between all members of the family including children. Solved.

  14. ChrisPer

    Frederic, good suggestion!

  15. Infidel Tiger

    #1342968, posted on June 11, 2014 at 12:17 pm
    Just allow income splitting at will between all members of the family including children. Solved.

    If you want to pump up the birth rate that is the answer.

    I’d have the night tool out constantly.

  16. Aristogeiton

    Infidel Tiger
    #1342982, posted on June 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm
    […]
    I’d have the night tool out constantly.

    ‘Night tool’! See, that’s the great thing about this blog. You learn things! I was arrogant enough to think I had mastered all the best euphemisms for the male genital member.

  17. tomix

    “@ $50,000 a head, the scheme will raise $10B- $15B.per annum.”

    So, 200,000 to 300,000 paying entrants per annum. And OSB abandoned because it costs too much.

    Does Senator Dave think everybody else is as dopey as Alan Jones?

  18. harrys on the boat

    He was probably factoring other cost benefits, which I hope doesn’t include the navy as there will still be boats from those who want to come but cant afford the fee.

  19. .

    This is gold.

    David Leyonhjelm has used Andy Leigh’s (ALP) arguments to argue for abolishing the minimum wage.

    Well, it must be good for the workers.

    Jones gave David HUGE exposure and he was fairly even handed and even partial to our ideas.

    I think David is presenting well because he has a good grasp of the policy (obviously) AND what the current policy is.

    This was fantastic.

    I just wish Jones hadn’t been taken in by the anti-CSG crowd.

  20. harrys on the boat

    They’d still come as we would still have a refugee quota.

  21. tomix

    Why pay the fee and forego Welfare rather than take a boat, destroy POI, and claim asylum?

  22. Driftforge

    So, 200,000 to 300,000 paying entrants per annum. And OSB abandoned because it costs too much.

    OSB will have to be maintained for some time yet, and nothing David said contradicted that.

    Just allow income splitting at will between all members of the family including children. Solved

    That could work too, if FTB and family payments are withdrawn. It’s closer to those in nature than the PPL though, so in terms of the specific situation, offering a year or two of complete income tax exemption to either the mother or father is a better fit.

  23. tomix

    No surveillance needed once here, and if short term unemployed, assistance given by the Gov’t,

    So, isn’t that welfare?

  24. tomix

    Driftforge @ 1.15pm:
    OSB will have to be maintained for some time yet, and nothing David said contradicted that.

    He said the cost of OSB is an issue. That sounds a bit weaselly.

  25. .

    Weaselly?

    You straight up lied about the LDP tax policy on a thread where it was utterly irrelevant.

    You have a poisonous hatred of the LDP and are unashamedly lying to make a fallacious argument.

  26. Driftforge

    He said the cost of OSB is an issue.

    It is, but that has been booked in by allowing order to collapse over a period of years. Problems with a collapse of order have momentum.

  27. Roger

    He said the cost of OSB is an issue.
    Yes, that was one of the premisses of his piece here if I recall, that his scheme would contribute to government coffers and obviate the need for the “expensive” OSB. Of course, it will do neither, since migrant families will use up $50K of tax payers’ money fairly quickly even without access to welfare (Medicare, education, first home buyers grants via the states, increased infrastructure spending requirements, etc.) and there will still be a market for the people smugglers, who will simply drop their price to cater to less well off aspiring immigrants once OSB is dismantled. Back to square one.

  28. tomix

    The only way to have order is OSB. so why is he raising the cost issue?

    Dot: On another thread [ Open Doors] you argued that OSB should be abandoned if there was a risk that even one turned back IMA would have been granted refugee status.

  29. Alfonso

    Alas, if Dave ever gets on the tv Leader’s Debate come election time it’s all over.
    A few philosophical questions about the advisability of legal concealed carry for legal pot using bikers and it’s all over baby blue. Unless, shock horror, Dave denies the LDP policy thrice.

  30. Roger

    Besides which, the operating costs of OSB will fall as its deterrence factor kicks in and the word spreads – as it has already – to the source countries that Australia’s ocean borders are no longer permeable. Only a skeleton operation then needs to be maintained, with the ability to ramp things back up if necessary.

  31. Mr Skeletor

    The Border policy makes no sense when one puts a bit of thought into it. It certainly would not mean OSB can be closed as David implies.
    I’m also not sold on decriminalizing recreation drug use. There would have to be massive cuts in health welfare first.

    Apart from that David presents well and LDP are becoming a better alternative each time I hear from them – certainly streets ahead of the Palmer and Nick Xens of the world. May think about joining.

  32. Roger

    Yes, Alfonso, it would be fun to watch.
    Goodness, even Ray Martin would be tougher on Leyonhjelm than Alan Jones!

  33. EB

    Yep Alfonso, the libs and their msm friends will be the first ones to go totally apeshit on DL if they sense danger and it will all be on the jackbooted police state freedom hating “we’re protecting you and your kiddies” stuff.

    Seen a useless Lib backbencher pull that one already – “well I don’t really have any answers, but ZOMG THAT GUY OVER THERE WANTS YOUR KIDS TO HAVE POT”

  34. Roger

    streets ahead of the Palmer and Nick Xens of the world.
    Yes, the bar is set rather low in Australian politics, Skeletor.
    But the LDP reminds me of Labor in the ’50s – it’s not about getting elected, it’s about ideological purity. Even Leyonhjelm’s election was really an accident.

  35. .

    I said that but I also said the policy is open and can work with OSB, which I gave credit where it was due.

    Don’t be lying shithead your whole life tomix.

  36. .

    The LDP is far from ideologically pure. It is a moderate libertarian party.

    Why people must misrepresent basic facts or bask in their own ignorance is baffling.

  37. Mr Skeletor

    But the LDP reminds me of Labor in the ’50s – it’s not about getting elected, it’s about ideological purity. Even Leyonhjelm’s election was really an accident.

    I agree with this. While I lean libertarian I don’t think it’s a flawless ideology and I think a few of the LDP policies aren’t workable but seem to exist for philosophical reasons. That’s why I hesitate to join.
    If they take a more practical approach I’d be a bigger fan.

  38. .

    We’d rather you join and you would have input in having those policies scrapped.

  39. Clam Chowdah

    Thanks for posting the interview.

    The reciprocal residential concept with Japan, et al, is yet another thought bubble that opens the door to shitbags who first migrate to one nation as a springboard to the next. Clearly, industrious and civilised Japanese coming from Japan are going to contribute to Australia. Not sure that war-damaged, bronze-age, West-hating Somalians coming in via the Netherlands are going to add much value.

  40. Clam Chowdah

    I agree with this. While I lean libertarian I don’t think it’s a flawless ideology and I think a few of the LDP policies aren’t workable but seem to exist for philosophical reasons. That’s why I hesitate to join.

    Me too. Recall Yobbo’s “explanation” from a few days ago that many of the policies are intended to be controversial. That to me begs the question: which ones are intended to be serious?

  41. Max

    Regarding Paid Parental Leave. Why don’t we just let ALL CARERS REGARDLESS of who they are caring for carry forward or preserve their tax free thresholds to when they re-enter the workforce.

    1) they are doing the economy and government a huge favour by caring for their loved ones saving masses of costs. whether they are caring for a baby, the disabled, or the elderly it doesn’t matter its a huge JOB.

    2) you are only giving them what they would otherwise be entitled to anyway.

    3) you make them more competitive on re-entry to the workforce – they can work for less than the competition because they will be taxed less.

  42. Frederic

    Night tool? It’s not a moneymaking trick, just offsets costs and automatically averages out tax per population

  43. Max

    4) having that financial incentive to re-enter the workforce after being a Carer will also keep them off welfare.

  44. Walter Plinge

    Opening the front door for a price requires high levels of boarder protection to close the back door and side gates.

    Ironically this what was required in Catholic and Anglican schools and Salvos institutions (minus the side gates).

  45. Max

    And furthermore!!

    Leyonhjelm makes the wrong assumption that the left actually care about asylum seekers in the first place.

    – The left didn’t care when 1000’s of them drowned.
    – The left didn’t care when Rudd re-opened off-shore processing.

    If you look at what the left DO as opposed to what they SAY its clear that Barracking for illegals is simply a political talisman to magically ward off the evils of ABBOTT666 and cheap way to boost their own moral vanity.

  46. Mr Skeletor

    We’d rather you join and you would have input in having those policies scrapped.

    What is the rule (if any) for being a member of a political party in this country? Technically I think I’m still a voting member of the Sex Party (I joined back when they were the only party against the internet filter and before I realised they were obsessed with gay marrage and religion.) Am I supposed to write to them to ‘leave’ first or what?

  47. .

    We’re fairly relaxed. The Sex Party could kick you out if they liked.

    My dear Mr Skeletor, this is not the ALP. This is the LDP!

  48. Max

    Hey Dot – can I have your/the LDP’s view on my plan, detailed above as an alternative to PPL, allowing carers to carry forward / preserve their tax free thresholds for the time they are carers, to the time they re-enter the workforce?

    i.e. be a carer for 3 years – your TFF is 3X$18000 = $54000 when you come back to work.??

  49. Mr Skeletor

    Just checked the LDP website and it looks like the melbourne meetings occur close to where I work, so for $70 I’ll sign up.
    If they end up being a bunch of anarchists the I’ll write the $70 off as entertainment money.

  50. tomix

    Dot :
    1. What are the expected take up numbers of the policy?

    2. Does the 10- 15 B. /year Gov’t rakeoff take into account bonded immigrants who borrow the $50K from the Feds?

    3. How many of there type would you expect or plan for in a year?

    4. How many years would the scheme run for?

  51. Matthew

    The LDP is far from ideologically pure. It is a moderate libertarian party.

    The only factual sentence I have seen you write so far.

    The LDP is a bait and switch designed to capitalise on the growing libertarian feeling in recent years.

    Interviewers should have a good read of the LDP policy platform before an interview. Then they will know how nuts the LDP are… For example, the LDP plan to break off diplomatic relations with China in order to recognise the Republic of China government in Taiwan as the legitimate government of China.

    There is also some nuttiness about hiring foreign mercenaries to pick fights overseas, and so on.

  52. .

    Max
    #1343229, posted on June 11, 2014 at 3:47 pm
    Hey Dot – can I have your/the LDP’s view on my plan, detailed above as an alternative to PPL, allowing carers to carry forward / preserve their tax free thresholds for the time they are carers, to the time they re-enter the workforce?

    i.e. be a carer for 3 years – your TFF is 3X$18000 = $54000 when you come back to work.??

    Max

    The LDP TFT is 40k and then the rate is a flat 20%.

    I am almost certain that everyone is better off under the LDP tax plan. They are still better off under the LDP plan than in the present system having one tax year to use three years of the current TFT.

  53. .

    Does the 10- 15 B. /year Gov’t rakeoff take into account bonded immigrants who borrow the $50K from the Feds?

    This is an outrageous lie. I’ve explained to you before that it is a lie due to the income contingent loan and freedom to contract.

    The LDP is a bait and switch designed to capitalise on the growing libertarian feeling in recent years.

    This nonsense is beyond parody. You belong in an padded cell.

  54. jupes

    Clearly, industrious and civilised Japanese coming from Japan are going to contribute to Australia. Not sure that war-damaged, bronze-age, West-hating Somalians coming in via the Netherlands are going to add much value.

    This highlights an important point. The Netherlands is worse off because of its Islamic immigration. The Japanese are better off because they have minimal, if any Islamic immigration.

    Culture matters.

  55. Aristogeiton

    All ‘tomix’ and ‘Matthew’ seem to do here is misrepresent LDP policy and engage in anti-LDP concern trolling.

  56. Yobbo

    I’m also not sold on decriminalizing recreation drug use. There would have to be massive cuts in health welfare first.

    Then you are a grade A idiot.

  57. Max

    Max

    The LDP TFT is 40k and then the rate is a flat 20%.

    Yeah you are right – put this in place and you dont need PPL or many of the other concessions and schemes.

  58. Aristogeiton

    Max
    #1343283, posted on June 11, 2014 at 4:45 pm
    […]
    Yeah you are right – put this in place and you dont need PPL or many of the other concessions and schemes.

    FTFY.

  59. Yobbo

    All ‘tomix’ and ‘Matthew’ seem to do here is misrepresent LDP policy and engage in anti-LDP concern trolling.

    Yep.

  60. Matthew

    Then you are a grade A idiot.

    You are too quick to resort to abuse.

    He is saying that he doesn’t want his tax money to pay for recreational drug related illnesses, the incidence of which might increase after full legalisation.

    I support legalisation without conditions but I can see where he is coming from.

  61. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1343293, posted on June 11, 2014 at 4:53 pm
    Then you are a grade A idiot.

    You are too quick to resort to abuse.

    And you’re a dipshit. Sorry, what was your point? Oh, that’s right, I don’t care.

  62. jupes

    Then you are a grade A idiot.

    Oh. So hankering for drug legalisation is directly related to your IQ. Who knew?

  63. Aristogeiton

    Yobbo
    #1343292, posted on June 11, 2014 at 4:52 pm
    All ‘tomix’ and ‘Matthew’ seem to do here is misrepresent LDP policy and engage in anti-LDP concern trolling.

    Yep.

    It would be a different matter if they just disagreed with the policies, as they seem to across the whole LDP platform. But as both consistently misrepresent LDP policies, and then continue to make these representations as lies as after being provided with proof of their mistake, they don’t deserve to be treated seriously. And they deserve abuse. Torrents of it.

  64. Matthew

    And you’re a dipshit. Sorry, what was your point? Oh, that’s right, I don’t care.

    Is the LDP recruiting in prisons now? I suppose one would meet the likes of you in a prison courtyard or worse, in the prison showers.

  65. Yobbo

    That’s right. Only a complete retard could possibly still support the war on drugs after 100 years of abject failure.

  66. Max

    Having been all over the 3rd world in places were drugs are pretty much “free market” you seem to end – up with a lot of child drug use and child prostitution.

  67. Matthew

    That’s right. Only a complete retard could possibly still support the war on drugs after 100 years of abject failure.

    Yes, but calling someone a grade A idiot makes no converts.

    I support an end to the war on drugs based on the Mon Aggression Principle (NAP) and it needs to be explained to people that have conventional objections.

    By the way from what I can see LDP supporters Aristogeiton and Dot do not support the NAP, which is why I doubt that they are libertarian, given that the NAP is central to libertarianism.

  68. tomix

    Dot @ 4.40 pm

    Does the 10- 15 B. /year Gov’t rakeoff take into account bonded immigrants who borrow the $50K from the Feds?

    This is an outrageous lie. I’ve explained to you before that it is a lie due to the income contingent loan and freedom to contract.

    How many applicants would be bonded? Is the number limited? How is the 10- 15B./ year arrived at?

  69. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1343301, posted on June 11, 2014 at 4:57 pm
    […]
    Is the LDP recruiting in prisons now? I suppose one would meet the likes of you in a prison courtyard or worse, in the prison showers.

    You’d be the one with your pockets turned out.

  70. Max

    ^^ Exhibit A

    Thailand and Brazil have pretty much free markets for drugs and you do see a lot of child prostitution in those areas.

  71. Matthew

    You’d be the one with your pockets turned out.

    So that is the kind of gay marriage you have been advocating. No thanks, I’m not available.

  72. Max

    She said: “The children go with the men because they are high on drugs or need more money to buy drugs.”

    http://www.news.com.au/world/brazils-child-sex-workers-forced-to-cash-in-on-world-cup/story-fndir2ev-1226947341685

    Its pretty simple Yobbo – Drug dealers will just change their marketing tactics to children for profits.

  73. .

    jupes
    #1343296, posted on June 11, 2014 at 4:54 pm
    Then you are a grade A idiot.

    Oh. So hankering for drug legalisation is directly related to your IQ. Who knew?

    The causation is reversed, but high IQ and high drug use are linked as well.

  74. .

    Max this is hysterical nonsense.

    When drugs or alcohol have been legal or illegal in Australia, we’ve never had a viable child prostitution market.

    It has always been illegal and barring corruption, given no quarter by law enforcement.

  75. harrys on the boat

    Child prostitution in third world countries is due to the apparent “free market” of drugs?

    Here’s me thinking its chronic poverty fueled by despot corrupt and vile governments.

  76. .

    Tomix you are flagrantly dishonest to the point where I reckon you should get the boot and have all of your comments redacted. You are accusing the LDP of supporting slavery. (I would consider this nearly actionable). You are an unhinged loon.

    There is a reason why people like David Leyonhjelm get airtime, and you never will.

  77. .

    Matthew
    #1343301, posted on June 11, 2014 at 4:57 pm
    And you’re a dipshit. Sorry, what was your point? Oh, that’s right, I don’t care.

    Is the LDP recruiting in prisons now? I suppose one would meet the likes of you in a prison courtyard or worse, in the prison showers.

    Predictably, your comments have turned into homophobic jokes yet you flail your arms at cuss words. You denied any homophobia previously.

    You’re full of shit Matthew.

  78. Yobbo

    Thailand and Brazil have pretty much free markets for drugs and you do see a lot of child prostitution in those areas.

    I bow to your superior knowledge of the drug laws in Thailand.

    LOL

  79. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1343318, posted on June 11, 2014 at 5:07 pm
    […]
    So that is the kind of gay marriage you have been advocating. No thanks, I’m not available.

    I don’t support gay marriage, if you’d been paying attention. My proclivities so far as women are concerned don’t extend to weak-will liars, so don’t flatter yourself, slave.

  80. .

    By the way from what I can see LDP supporters Aristogeiton and Dot do not support the NAP, which is why I doubt that they are libertarian, given that the NAP is central to libertarianism.

    Oh you stupid twit. Is this why you backed Tomix’s call to have Rudd imprisoned for urging military action on Syria and presumed I believed so because I said we should abolish vilification laws except for incitement and the PS code?

    Sinclair.

    Ban these twits. No actual debate will happen with them basking like pigs in their own shit.

  81. Aristogeiton

    s/weak-will/weak-willed/

  82. harrys on the boat

    Where are these countries with free markets for drugs? I want to holiday there. Can I pre book my cocaine requirements?

  83. Demosthenes

    Here’s me thinking its chronic poverty fueled by despot corrupt and vile governments.

    You cultural Marxist, you.

  84. jupes

    This last week or so has been a real eye opener as far as libertarianism and libertarians are concerned.

    With the honourable exception of Dot, who at least tried (in vain) to explain the LDP’s hopeless policies (without any backup from David L I might add), the standard operating procedure seemed to be the one used by Yobbo above i.e. Agree with me or cop abuse.

    Hardly persuasive however giving a real insight into what life would be like if these bozos ever got their hands on real power.

  85. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1343310, posted on June 11, 2014 at 5:03 pm
    […]
    By the way from what I can see LDP supporters Aristogeiton and Dot do not support the NAP, which is why I doubt that they are libertarian, given that the NAP is central to libertarianism.

    Von-Mises Institute: Non-Aggression Principle:

    The principle has a long tradition but has been mostly popularized by market anarchists and other schools of libertarianism (consequentialist libertarians do not base their libertarianism on it).

  86. Max

    Where are these countries with free markets for drugs? I want to holiday there. Can I pre book my cocaine requirements?

    Go to south and central america – very cheap good quality – nice beaches

  87. tomix


    When drugs or alcohol have been legal or illegal in Australia, we’ve never had a viable child prostitution market.

    It has always been illegal and barring corruption, given no quarter by law enforcement.

    Is delusion an LDP policy now?

  88. Aristogeiton

    jupes
    #1343346, posted on June 11, 2014 at 5:23 pm
    […]
    Hardly persuasive however giving a real insight into what life would be like if these bozos ever got their hands on real power.

    Conveniently ignore your brazen and incessant lies about LDP policies, and your hysterical and dishonest anti-Islamic sectarianism. The ‘persuasion’ you speak of would be the equivalent of ‘persuading’ a mule to win the Melbourne Cup.

  89. Max

    I bow to your superior knowledge of the drug laws in Thailand.

    LOL

    You are such a retard – you live there and you know the laws arn’t enforced, drugs are much easier and cheaper to get in certain areas in Thailand — and in those EXACT SAME AREAS (which are not the poorest areas) you see child prostitution

  90. jupes

    … and dishonest anti-Islamic sectarianism.

    Please explain my dishonesty.

  91. tomix

    Tomix you are flagrantly dishonest …….</em>You are an unhinged loon.

    There is a reason why people like David Leyonhjelm get airtime, and you never will.

    Dave’s got a better head for radio?

  92. Yobbo

    Drugs are cheaper and easier to get in the USA than they are in Thailand.

  93. Yobbo

    And the UK for that matter.

  94. Aristogeiton

    jupes
    #1343359, posted on June 11, 2014 at 5:30 pm
    … and dishonest anti-Islamic sectarianism.

    Please explain my dishonesty.

    Outlined at length in the other thread in response to your dishonest argumentation about, the moral outrage of FGM (which you admitted, you don’t give an actual shit about), and the banning of the Burqa. I’m not going to repeat myself, and you’re incapable of the kind of reading for comprehension which would render it worthwhile in any event.

  95. Aristogeiton

    tomix
    #1343362, posted on June 11, 2014 at 5:31 pm
    […]
    Dave’s got a better head for radio?

    Wow. Imbecilic and shallow. You’ve got it all, buddy.

  96. harrys on the boat

    There’s no westerners rotting away in South American jails on drug possession charges……..

    That’s beside the point, how you equate access to drugs to child prostitution is bedwetting at its finest.

  97. PeterCGoing

    I listened with some interest to David Leyonhjelm’s idea of a fee for entry into Australia. This model is already operating.
    It works like this
    Person A sponsors Person B to come to Australia and arranges the fare, visa and work permit.
    Person B agrees to repay the fee from their earnings.

    Person A is a trafficker, Person B a sex slave.

    Not sure the Australian Government should get into such a business.

    I’m sure David was not advocating this but the potential for such a program to be rorted is huge.
    BTW, you might want to point out that the Navy is about protecting our borders and its cheaper than the taxi service that the ALP were running and in due course the border will be patrolled with less expensive assets once the People Smugglers have got the message.

  98. Matthew

    (consequentialist libertarians do not base their libertarianism on it)

    This utilitarianism explains a lot.

    Does this hold for the rest of the LDP?

  99. Matthew

    I listened with some interest to David Leyonhjelm’s idea of a fee for entry into Australia. This model is already operating.
    It works like this
    Person A sponsors Person B to come to Australia and arranges the fare, visa and work permit.
    Person B agrees to repay the fee from their earnings.

    Person A is a trafficker, Person B a sex slave.

    Not sure the Australian Government should get into such a business.

    I’m sure David was not advocating this but the potential for such a program to be rorted is huge.

    Exactly what I said in the other thread..

    You can add cheap labor exploitation and debt slavery to that. The LDP never attempts to look at what the unintended consequences may be. Instead the LDP simply assumes that the policy will work as intended, and human action has no role in the outcome.

  100. tomix

    Aristogeiton @ 5.42pm re jupes:

    Outlined at length in the other thread in response to your dishonest argumentation about, the moral outrage of FGM (which you admitted, you don’t give an actual shit about), and the banning of the Burqa. …blah..blah…blah..

    You’ve completely confused and befuddled yourself by your own shiftiness, Aristogiton.

    Jupes hasn’t commented on that thread [Open Doors] in those terms at any time.

  101. old bloke

    The Japanese are better off because they have minimal, if any Islamic immigration.

    The Japanese have zero Islamic immigration. More than that, they won’t allow mosques to be built, and won’t allow Muslims to marry non-muslims. If a business wants to bring in a Moslem employee from overseas temporarily, the Japanese government may refuse the application if there’s a Japanese citizen with the requisite skill set who can fill the position.

  102. Yobbo

    Matthew and Tomix are ruining this blog. The level has stupid has gone up again from the standard Bolt zombies to a new and unprecedented level of stupid.

  103. Clam Chowdah

    With the honourable exception of Dot, who at least tried (in vain) to explain the LDP’s hopeless policies (without any backup from David L I might add), the standard operating procedure seemed to be the one used by Yobbo above i.e. Agree with me or cop abuse.

    Hypocritical abuse, to boot. The abuse I don’t mind.

    But when Yobbo spends years honking on about how he fled to Thailand to escape the decline in Australia’s free-minded culture, then takes potshots at people who want to maintain some level of the culture that made Australia what it is, I have to shake my head. He also posts on his blog about people from outside Thai culture ruining Thailand because they don’t respect Thai culture. Oh dear, oh fucking dear. The irony. He’s the first to bitch about an invasion of cretinous slobs ruining his private paradise.

    “Culture is destiny” – Lee Kuan Yew.

  104. JC

    That’s right. Only a complete retard could possibly still support the war on drugs after 100 years of abject failure.

    Huh? It’s been an astonishing success.

  105. Tel

    Person A sponsors Person B to come to Australia and arranges the fare, visa and work permit.
    Person B agrees to repay the fee from their earnings.

    Person A is a trafficker, Person B a sex slave.

    Person B gets the full protection of Australian law from the moment they get here. The LDP policy changes nothing in this regard. Maybe you feel enforcement is insufficient, or inept, and perhaps it is but that’s unrelated (perhaps still worth looking into).

  106. Fisky

    Outlined at length in the other thread in response to your dishonest argumentation about, the moral outrage of FGM (which you admitted, you don’t give an actual shit about), and the banning of the Burqa.

    Just a point here – I was the one who raised the banning of the burka, and it has nothing to do with anti-Muslim sectarianism.

  107. Tel

    Huh? It’s been an astonishing success.

    Yeah, successful at making a small number of people ridiculously wealthy… generally those people who contribute least to the rest of society, but that’s just my personal perspective, which might be biased since I never got a share of the loot.

  108. Aristogeiton

    Yobbo
    #1343439, posted on June 11, 2014 at 6:55 pm
    Matthew and Tomix are ruining this blog. The level has stupid has gone up again from the standard Bolt zombies to a new and unprecedented level of stupid.

    Have you met Joe Goodacre?

  109. Aristogeiton

    Fisky
    #1343455, posted on June 11, 2014 at 7:05 pm
    Outlined at length in the other thread in response to your dishonest argumentation about, the moral outrage of FGM (which you admitted, you don’t give an actual shit about), and the banning of the Burqa.

    Just a point here – I was the one who raised the banning of the burka, and it has nothing to do with anti-Muslim sectarianism.

    As noted above, this was tomix I was referring to, not jupes. There is nothing dishonest about your position on this Fisk, as I noted in the thread.

  110. Yobbo

    He also posts on his blog about people from outside Thai culture ruining Thailand because they don’t respect Thai culture.

    I have never posted anything of the sort.

    The only time I have ever criticised foreigners on my blog is for

    a) walking down the middle of the road
    b) not paying prostitutes

    Never for “not respecting Thai culture”. Thai culture is not worthy of respect. But please, feel free to link or quote one of my posts supporting your clearly made up attack on me.

  111. Yobbo

    These new generation of trolls clearly don’t understand how the internet works. They get caught out lying so often it’s like they haven’t yet realised that the internet keeps a record of stuff.

  112. Yobbo

    With the honourable exception of Dot, who at least tried (in vain) to explain the LDP’s hopeless policies (without any backup from David L I might add), the standard operating procedure seemed to be the one used by Yobbo above i.e. Agree with me or cop abuse.

    You zombies really expect us to explain for the 1 millionth time on a libertarian blog why prohibition is bad, and then get upset when we don’t. You are truly cretinous.

  113. Alfonso

    ‘which might be biased since I never got a share of the loot.’
    Massive insight and socialism’s driver.
    A lot like Maori NZ…desperate to be in the Coke ads but never understanding the cultural values required to get a middle class guernsey.

  114. Tel

    It’s OK Alf, if I was going to be a crook, I would not be low enough to deal crack to kids, but thanks for playing.

    If I was good at scamming people, I’d probably open bank accounts for a living.

  115. struth

    Hmm, I do think David pushed ALL of Alan’s butt ins.

  116. jupes

    Ari

    You claimed I was dishonest. I asked you to explain. This was your response:

    Outlined at length in the other thread in response to your dishonest argumentation about, the moral outrage of FGM (which you admitted, you don’t give an actual shit about), and the banning of the Burqa.

    You just made that up. Making stuff up is dishonest wouldn’t you say?

  117. struth

    Beware the smooth talkers.
    A good politician David will make as a person who has his background probably would..in comparison to other pollies he is worth a second look. He unfortunately is just about on the right track then heads off the full wacko. Our navy should always be patrolling those waters anyway. A bit of activity is good for training. Then full dope about dope. Seems there is no other pain relieving drugs available. We have a left wing liberal government, various stupid taxes and PPS to talk about and the boats are stopped and what’s David raving on about? What subjects again? Really?
    I hope it’s just inexperience.

  118. Mr Skeletor

    Then you are a grade A idiot.

    My understanding is this is intended to be a place of exchanging ideas and discussion. You however seem to do nothing but float around threads dropping abuse like an arrogant smarmy dickhead, no better than the ‘trolls’ you bitch about.

  119. Matthew

    no better than the ‘trolls’ you bitch about.

    Even worse. He cannot supply a rational reply and if an interlocutor does not disappear after he hurls personal abuse, he calls for their banning.

  120. Yobbo

    My understanding is this is intended to be a place of exchanging ideas and discussion.

    It is, that’s why we are trying to get rid you Bolt zombies. You have nothing to offer.

  121. cynical1

    Yobbo doesn’t respect Thai culture.

    He only lives there cos his DSP goes further.

  122. Matthew

    It is, that’s why we are trying to get rid you Bolt zombies. You have nothing to offer.

    I’m not a conservative. I’m a libertarian. LDP supporters on the open door thread called for the bombing of other countries. That sounds like Bolt to me.

    LDP policy calls for gay marriage but retains government registration of marriage, the tool by which government discriminates against married people and single people in taxes and more.

    No it is the lukewarm libertarianism of the LDP that is the problem, not people that you falsely describe as Bolt zombies.

  123. Mr skeletor

    I don’t post at Bolts. Feel free to prove me a liar.

  124. Clam Chowdah

    I know, I know. This blog was so awesome until people who didn’t get the zeitgeist moved in and ruined it for everyone.

    Am I right, Yobbo?

    Culture is destiny. Yobbo is irony.

  125. Infidel Tiger

    This blog has become flypaper for whack jobs.

    We have anti-vaxxer, Clive Palmer supporters giving libertarians shit.

    No one is expected to support all LDP policies. Some of them suck, but you could at least have a passing interest in free markets and freedom if you post here. It’s depressing enough in the real world having to deal with statist turds without this place being flooded with loons.

  126. Clam Chowdah

    I assume your free market and freedom comment was not directed at me.

  127. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1343638, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:43 pm
    […]
    I’m not a conservative. I’m a libertarian.

    Utter flying bullshit.

  128. Yobbo

    It’s directed at the same idiots who have been ruining every thread the LDP has been mentioned in for the last 2 months.

  129. Yobbo

    You know like the guy who says he’s a libertarian but doesn’t see a good argument for drug decriminalisation. Bolta concern trolls.

  130. Aristogeiton

    Infidel Tiger
    #1343649, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:51 pm
    This blog has become flypaper for whack jobs.

    We have anti-vaxxer, Clive Palmer supporters giving libertarians shit.

    No one is expected to support all LDP policies. Some of them suck, but you could at least have a passing interest in free markets and freedom if you post here. It’s depressing enough in the real world having to deal with statist turds without this place being flooded with loons.

    Let’s not forget the white supremacist who suffers to ‘tolerate’ ‘interracial marriage’ on the LDP immigration thread.

  131. Infidel Tiger

    I assume your free market and freedom comment was not directed at me.

    Not at all. You are a much beloved commenter and have probably had to deal with some of the same crazies I’m talking about.

  132. Yohan

    On the last LDP immigration thread, it just seemed people became unhinged and were insistent that David L was somehow proposing open borders without restriction.

    A $50,000+ entry fee and no welfare will do much more for getting rid of the ‘undesirables’ than our current immigration policy, which allows friends and family reunion for extended family that are going to immediately sit on welfare for the rest of their life. How much of this would occur if there was a fee to pay?

  133. Aristogeiton

    Yohan
    #1343690, posted on June 11, 2014 at 10:36 pm
    […]
    A $50,000+ entry fee and no welfare will do much more for getting rid of the ‘undesirables’ than our current immigration policy, which allows friends and family reunion for extended family that are going to immediately sit on welfare for the rest of their life. How much of this would occur if there was a fee to pay?

    For those tuning in for the first time, my understanding is that the amount of the entry fee will be determined at a dutch auction upon a strict quota. The $50,000.00 was given only as an example to demonstrate how much the scheme would raise.

  134. Peter from SA

    Not at all. You are a much beloved commenter and have probably had to deal with some of the same crazies I’m talking about.

    IT I think the joke about Obama’s Secret Service investing in scarcasm software was in a different thread.

    (public notice: this is for comic purposes only I cannot be bothered reading what the real issues are here)

  135. .

    LDP supporters on the open door thread called for the bombing of other countries.

    You dishonest sack of shit.

    tomix made this shit up after you put forward some fuckbrained question about if I thought Rudd ought to be charged for incitement given his remarks regarding the use of force against the Syrian regime – after I said that the LDP wants to abolish anti vilification laws and said that rules regarding incitement and a PS code ought to remain (hence the role for courts outlined in the LDP policy).

    Sinc. Ban these fuckers. Outright lies like this ought not to be tolerated.

  136. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1343729, posted on June 11, 2014 at 11:05 pm
    […]
    Sinc. Ban these fuckers. Outright lies like this ought not to be tolerated.

    According to these fuck-knuckles, there is no such thing as a libertarian who does not slavishly adhere to the non-aggression principle; libertarian consequentialism is not libertarianism at all. This reflects poorly on the LDP, so it goes.

  137. Clam Chowdah

    Not at all. You are a much beloved commenter and have probably had to deal with some of the same crazies I’m talking about.

    Thank goodness. I’ve been busy a lot lately so only duck in occasionally. Plenty of new names and some of them remind me of the irritatingly stupid Young Liberals when I was on campus many aeons ago…

  138. Yohan

    For those tuning in for the first time, my understanding is that the amount of the entry fee will be determined at a dutch auction upon a strict quota. The $50,000.00 was given only as an example to demonstrate how much the scheme would raise.

    Sure, it could be lower or much higher than that.

    IMO the proposal that will change the entire game will be limiting welfare for a long period of time, 5 or 10 years of residency. This is what will really break up the current quality of migrants, and leave space for those which are going to raise productivity and tax revenue.

    The current immigration policy is not discriminatory, and there is no way to make it discriminatory without a scandalous 50’s style white Australia policy and interference with the vetting process.
    The LDP’s idea will actually achieve a lot of what the Bolt-heads really want, they are just too stupid to see it.

  139. Clam Chowdah

    A $50,000+ entry fee and no welfare will do much more for getting rid of the ‘undesirables’ than our current immigration policy, which allows friends and family reunion for extended family that are going to immediately sit on welfare for the rest of their life. How much of this would occur if there was a fee to pay?

    Hearing the interview has softened my own views on this, but there’s a lot that would need to be recalibrated to account for, you know, the real world and how it tends to rape you in the arse if you turn your back.

  140. Aristogeiton

    Yohan
    #1343738, posted on June 11, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    Sensible comment on LDP policy?

  141. Fisky

    No one is expected to support all LDP policies. Some of them suck, but you could at least have a passing interest in free markets and freedom if you post here. It’s depressing enough in the real world having to deal with statist turds without this place being flooded with loons.

    I love it. The past few months have seen some of the best trolling I’ve had in years. Could someone arrange for a few LaRouchites to come on here along with the Boltheads?

  142. .

    You’d give me a fucking heart attack.

    Well I should have died. There was a La Rouchite here a few weeks ago.

    Fisk – monty got banned for trolling. Why not anyone else?

    Normal trolling doesn’t bother me. If they put forward atrocious lies as they troll, it must be rebuked or totally redacted with a banning.

  143. Fisky

    Oh sure, I don’t mean brain-dead trolling, but trolling for a real purpose. Serious, high-brow trolling is what we’re about.

  144. Aristogeiton

    Fisky
    #1343768, posted on June 11, 2014 at 11:28 pm
    Oh sure, I don’t mean brain-dead trolling, but trolling for a real purpose. Serious, high-brow trolling is what we’re about.

    Hammy. Now’s there is a troll you can set your watch to.

  145. Infidel Tiger

    Monty trolled in good faith.

    He never pretended to be anything other than a lefty shit for brains.

    I like him.

  146. Aristogeiton

    Infidel Tiger
    #1343774, posted on June 11, 2014 at 11:31 pm
    Monty trolled in good faith.

    He never pretended to be anything other than a lefty shit for brains.

    I like him.

    I defended m0nty e’en as he was led to his gallows. He wasn’t as shameless a liar as the present crew. You knew he was for real, even as you knew he was an imbecile. And you could wind him up tight enough to snap.

  147. Fisky

    Hammy is the best. But I miss the other guys too, like THR and that pro-Hamas loon JM.

  148. harrys on the boat

    irritatingly stupid Young Liberals 

    Look IT said he was only in it for the jelly vodka shots.

  149. harrys on the boat

    Nobody should be banned……. except Fuckwit Bob, but that’s because he’s a self outed communist which puts him in the same cess pit as p3dophiles.

  150. Infidel Tiger

    irritatingly stupid Young Liberals

    Look IT said he was only in it for the jelly vodka shots.

    My room smelled like spew for months after that evening.

    Nothing worse than waking up and discovering you’ve parked a tiger on the carpet and it’s your bedroom.

  151. Gab

    Valid and clear argument from David Leyonhjelm against the minimum wage and a much clearer explanation about his immigration policy.

    I do really wish he’d get interviewed about the his alternative to the budget and allowed to explain it fully. He needs to get more exposure on that. Focus on the economy, David L.

  152. wreckage

    Look, I’m voting LDP in the senate and I would vote LDP rep if I could. They are never going to be the ruling party, so there’s really no panic that they might apply every brain-fart that ever bubbled up in their neural porridge… unlike Rudd, for example. But voting for minor parties indicates preferences that get lost in the main two-party-preferred wrangle.

    LDP’s main principle is “we will never vote to reduce freedom or increase taxes” and I am perfectly content to vote for them on that basis alone.

    By the way, a rural LNP member recently made moves for legalizing pot. I am not pro-pot, I just think it should be decriminalized. Anyone who’s dealth with severe and chronic pain knows that the drug options are painfully limited and the side effects at least as bad as cannabis. Cannabis on prescription or dispensary-only or pharmacist-only? How is that going to result in child prostitution?

    I am willing to accept that it will, if you can explain the steps that lead to it. Just explain how it will happen.

  153. wreckage

    You know what? Fuck libertarianism. I’m a law-and-order, orderly society, respect for you betters conservative. By golly, if you sell pot you should have your kneecaps drilled out and be blinded with a red hot iron, unless you’re a pharmacist!

    Who dares challenge my huge pulsing hard-on for tough, tough tough laws that are tough and hard and give criminals exactly what they deserve right where they deserve it, good and rough? I don’t know how you bloody foreigners do things, but here in Australia we have people who are qualified to administer controlled and dangerous substances, and they are called PHARMACISTS. If you’re not a pharmacist and you’re selling cannabis derivatives of any kind, you should hang! And get the chair! And the firing squad! And the firing squad should fire bullets made of syringes full of lethal injection! If you don’t like the way we do things here, fuck off and die!

  154. wreckage

    …IN GAOL!

    IN A GAOL WHERE YOU CAME FROM!

    GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

  155. Clam Chowdah

    I also miss THR. He was quite the intellect. Apart from that whole obsession with Marx.

  156. tomix

    Dot and Aristogeiton having a discussion about trolling? Dear oh dear.

  157. Max

    The coolest thing about the LDPs immigration policy is that, by David Leyonhjelms own statements, it would allow Australians to BUY PEOPLE from overseas.

    I wouldn’t mind buying 3 twenty year old triplets from Cambodia to be my wives and servants and the minute they gave me the shits or glanced sideways at someone their own age I could cease payment on the government loan and have them shipped back, riding an elephant in the rice paddies of Phnom Pen before faster than you can say “untended consequences” ..

  158. MT Isa Miner

    wreckage

    #1343859, posted on June 12, 2014 at 12:53 am

    You know what? Fuck libertarianism. I’m a law-and-order, orderly society, respect for you betters conservative. By golly, if you sell pot you should have your kneecaps drilled out and be blinded with a red hot iron, unless you’re a pharmacist!

    Who dares challenge my huge pulsing hard-on for tough, tough tough laws that are tough and hard and give criminals exactly what they deserve right where they deserve it, good and rough? I don’t know how you bloody foreigners do things, but here in Australia we have people who are qualified to administer controlled and dangerous substances, and they are called PHARMACISTS. If you’re not a pharmacist and you’re selling cannabis derivatives of any kind, you should hang! And get the chair! And the firing squad! And the firing squad should fire bullets made of syringes full of lethal injection! If you don’t like the way we do things here, fuck off and die!

    Yeah, but what if, Wreckage, there are some social/racial/cultural groups that can’t really handle libertarianism? What if you look at what they do and don’t do, not what they say? What if they need more rules and more law enforcement just to function in the 21C?

    What if they hurt their kids and themselves at least and mostly hurt us all ( don’t pull their weight economically, won’t kick in for school tuckshops or meals on wheels, won’t support democracy and rule of law)? Those that might want to try a bit of libertarianism go, yeah, nah, not when we have that lot in the pot.

  159. Aristogeiton

    Max
    #1344017, posted on June 12, 2014 at 9:26 am
    The coolest thing about the LDPs immigration policy is that, by David Leyonhjelms own statements, it would allow Australians to BUY PEOPLE from overseas.

    This is, it should go without saying, bullshit.

  160. Matthew

    This is, it should go without saying, bullshit.

    What is to stop someone doing it?

    What is to stop a trafficker putting up the $50k and bringing in women to work in the sex industry? Explain how it cannot happen.

  161. Yobbo

    The same thing that stops you forcibly bringing people into the country and owning slaves now?

  162. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1344146, posted on June 12, 2014 at 12:19 pm
    This is, it should go without saying, bullshit.

    What is to stop someone doing it?

    What is to stop a trafficker putting up the $50k and bringing in women to work in the sex industry? Explain how it cannot happen.

    From the actual policy:

    Organisations or state and local governments that sought to encourage population growth in a particular region or occupational group could choose to subsidise the fee for those who agreed to abide by the conditions of the subsidy.

    Further:

    After paying the immigration fee a migrant will become a Permanent Resident. PRs will have the same rights to live and work as citizens except they cannot vote, they do not receive an Australian passport, they are not entitled to welfare income payments (though they may still use public health, education and infrastructure) and they may be deported if they commit crimes of a serious nature or are unable to support themselves.

    These are just fucking hysterical lies. I’m starting to come around to Dot’s opinion here. Th

  163. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1344146, posted on June 12, 2014 at 12:19 pm
    This is, it should go without saying, bullshit.

    What is to stop someone doing it?

    What is to stop a trafficker putting up the $50k and bringing in women to work in the sex industry? Explain how it cannot happen.

    From the actual policy:

    Organisations or state and local governments that sought to encourage population growth in a particular region or occupational group could choose to subsidise the fee for those who agreed to abide by the conditions of the subsidy.

    Further:

    After paying the immigration fee a migrant will become a Permanent Resident. PRs will have the same rights to live and work as citizens except they cannot vote, they do not receive an Australian passport, they are not entitled to welfare income payments (though they may still use public health, education and infrastructure) and they may be deported if they commit crimes of a serious nature or are unable to support themselves.

    These are just fucking hysterical lies. I’m starting to come around to Dot’s opinion here. These lying trolls should be banned, Sinc.

  164. Matthew

    The same thing that stops you forcibly bringing people into the country and owning slaves now?

    You don’t understand trafficking. They are not forced to enter the country. They enter into the types of contracts that have been deemed illegal by the courts.

  165. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1344209, posted on June 12, 2014 at 1:23 pm
    The same thing that stops you forcibly bringing people into the country and owning slaves now?

    You don’t understand trafficking. They are not forced to enter the country. They enter into the types of contracts that have been deemed illegal by the courts.

    This is hysterical bullshit. Read the fucking policy you lying asshole.

  166. Yobbo

    I understand it fine. I also understand that you’re an inveterate liar who should be banned.

  167. Aristogeiton

    I get it:

    1) set up a fake charitable or business organization;
    2) subsidise the entrant of a migrant, subject to conditions which are void;
    3) be unable to enforce the conditions in any court or wherever they are enforceable;
    4) the person you are seeking to enforce them against has the full array of civil rights of the citizen, except the right to vote;
    5) the person must show that they can support themselves (my take in this is that they must generate a taxable income);
    6) ????
    7) Profit?

    The reason sex slaves are slaves is because they are illegal immigrants and they have no civil rights. The immigrants here have a full suite of civil rights.

    FFS, Sinc. Can you please, PLEASE, ban these lying fucks?

  168. Max

    The same thing that stops you forcibly bringing people into the country and owning slaves now?

    Indians and Arabs immigrants are already specialists at having “willing-quasi-slave-servants” many stories coming out of New York and London about it, the’ll probably start it soon enough in Australia

  169. Aristogeiton

    Ok, whatever. Indentured servitude and a police state will result from the LDP’s policy, if the caliphate doesn’t come first.

  170. Yobbo

    FFS, Sinc. Can you please, PLEASE, ban these lying fucks?

    I agree, sick of them now. But you should really stop responding to them in the meantime. Sinclair likely won’t ban them until they go into a frenzy of commenting to themselves. As long as we keep giving them arguments to respond to, Sinclair will let them continue.

  171. Aristogeiton

    Yobbo
    #1344239, posted on June 12, 2014 at 1:51 pm
    FFS, Sinc. Can you please, PLEASE, ban these lying fucks?

    I agree, sick of them now. But you should really stop responding to them in the meantime. Sinclair likely won’t ban them until they go into a frenzy of commenting to themselves. As long as we keep giving them arguments to respond to, Sinclair will let them continue.

    It’s just disheartening that there is this ridiculous misinformation put out there every there is mention of the LDP on this blog.

  172. Matthew

    I am not sure if slavery is the right word, but it does bear a resemblance to modern day blackbirding ( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbirding).

    The point is that these kids off contracts have been deemed illegal by the courts. A good example is the number of women (often Thai or South Korean) in Australia that have been deemed to be sex slaves by the courts for entering into contracts with brothels that gives the women an advance payment (50k, for example) in exchange for them working in a brothel and paying the debt off (often with interest, rate more than a mortgage, less than a credit card).

    There was a number of cases like this in NSW where prostitution is legal. In no instance was the woman deemed to have been forced to enter Australia or forced to work in a brothel. It was just that these kinds of contacts were considered illegal.

    The LDP policy of money for PR guarantees an increase in these types of arrangements.

  173. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1344288, posted on June 12, 2014 at 2:29 pm
    […]
    A good example is the number of women (often Thai or South Korean) in Australia that have been deemed to be sex slaves by the courts for entering into contracts with brothels that gives the women an advance payment (50k, for example) in exchange for them working in a brothel and paying the debt off (often with interest, rate more than a mortgage, less than a credit card).

    Don’t listen to a word your mother says; she’s just not a very good earner.

  174. Max

    The LDP policy of money for PR guarantees an increase in these types of arrangements.

    Plus you could get they hooked on free-market drugs and the’d be happy little concubines

  175. wreckage

    Mt Isa: Pharmacists are not a cultural group 😉

    Look, there is a huge legal gap between “technically you can be shot for smoking a joint” and “heroin distributed free in classrooms”.

    Pharmacists. If they can’t handle dangerous and addictive substances, de-register or de-certify or whatever. Pretty simple.

    I’m not an anrcho-capitalist, I’m roughly a Classical Liberal. That requires the rule of law, hell, Classical Liberals practically invented the rule of law as we understand it today!

    If you can lay out for me the steps that lead from “legal, Pharmacy-only, cannabis derivatives” to “children addicted to hard drugs”, remembering that pharmacists can currently hand out opiates and doctors can hand out opiates, amphetamines, and even morphine – probably the most addictive stuff on earth?

    We have various cultural and sub-cultural groups represented in the medical profession and it hasn’t resulted in a free-for-all. If it is going to, surely we need to stop them from having access to morphine, opiates, sedatives, stimulants, and a huge range of psycho-active drugs?

  176. Max

    Q

    If you can lay out for me the steps that lead from “legal, Pharmacy-only, cannabis derivatives” to “children addicted to hard drugs”,

    A

    Milton Orkopoulos

  177. wreckage

    Right, so we shoot him first. Problem solved, old son!

  178. Max

    Right, so we shoot him first. Problem solved, old son!

    Wreckage – wherever in the world you see the free flow of drugs you see depravity. In every country and every culture its the same scene

  179. .

    Max
    #1345585, posted on June 13, 2014 at 1:20 pm
    Right, so we shoot him first. Problem solved, old son!

    Wreckage – wherever in the world you see the free flow of drugs you see depravity. In every country and every culture its the same scene

    No.

    Depravity abounds poor nations with child prostitution and draconian drug laws.

    Your views are nonsense Max.

  180. Max

    In the worlds richest country, the entire adult movie industry involves largely free-flowing cocaine.

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    Max
    #1345614, posted on June 13, 2014 at 1:37 pm
    In the worlds richest country, the entire adult movie industry involves largely free-flowing cocaine.

    Cocaine causes pornography?

    Porn ain’t illegal nor should it be.

    I also think it is because it is highly profitable that they can buy cocaine.

    You have this arse backwards.

  182. wreckage

    OK, so what steps would you say lead from Pharmacists being able to sell cannabis derived painkillers, to free-flowing cocaine fueled pornography? And why hasn’t the ability of Pharmacists to sell opiate derived painkillers – the same family of drugs as heroine – had exactly the same effect?

    Considering the free availability of alcohol, including availability over-the-counter, in any quantity (a bottle of scotch might contain 30+ standard drinks, enough to kill two or more people via overdose), what has stopped Australia from sliding into depravity? Since alcohol can be distributed by virtually anyone, are Pharmacists the real risk factor?

    Given that everyone I know can buy pot cheap if they want to (I live inside the region where most of it is grown) why aren’t they all high 24-7 and selling their children into sex-slavery? What is the protective factor, and can it be replicated? How is buying it by the kilo off growers safer than buying it in tiny packets from a Chemist?

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