Wednesday Forum: June 11, 2014

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  1. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    The Day of Reckoning. RTWT

  2. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Ha!

  3. Token

    The IPA has discovered Adam Carolla.

    I’ve been a fan of him for yonks.

    Thanks for the heads up about D’Nesh yesterday. I hoard & binge on my episodes so now know I have that to look forward to.

  4. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    That’s a 2000th and 3 (I think) 1000ths.

    :)

  5. Gab

    This is a ‘man’ who named his dog after himself.

    He called his dog Hussein? Poor thing. All the other dogs will make fun of him.

  6. calli

    Mote, I have so few holidays I want to make the most of them. They come at a cost to our business. That’s why, at last count, the beloved had 900k FFP’s.

    And to have breakfast…cooked…just for me…bliss! To paraphrase your comment on retiring…work hard, play hard.

  7. Motelier

    Hmmmm

    Grigory M

    No confusion, Motelier – just my poor attempt at humour.

    That explains the crickets. Nothing but crickets. :razz:

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I park my car under the building where the RC hearings are held in Sydney.
    I always know when the RC is sitting as the super early bird level (also called el cheapo grande parking) is fuller than usual at 7am.

    Da Cat. Full of inside info. You’ll always hear it here first. :)
    Keep it coming, guys. As they say at Tesco, every little bit counts.
    Following the whole Royal Commission thing here on the Cat, from across the Irish and other seas.
    Would hate to have to rely on the ABC and their ilk for reportage.

  9. Grigory M

    That explains the crickets. Nothing but crickets. :razz:

    Usually the way, Motelier. ;)

  10. Delta A

    In our travels we have observed that while there are ‘nomads’ who use free camps and overnight stops (and they have previously payed handsomely for the solar panels, generators etc which allow them this independence,) there are equal numbers of young travellers, frequently from OS, who opt for the ultra-cheap tour.

    These are the people who roll quietly into non-gated parks late at night and leave early in the morning without paying, having used showers and every other facility possible. They drive ‘Wicked’ and ‘Jucy’ campers and are too clever for managements. Oh… but it’s the oldies who apparently are ripping off communities.

  11. Motelier

    They come at a cost to our business.

    When Mrs M and I walk out the door, it costs us A$500 to A$600 plus GST per day.

    So our holidays are really planned like a space mission.

    The trip to GB and France in 2012 for 30 days cost us a motza in managers wages. Yes we collected an income during our time away, but managers do not have any skin in my businesses.

  12. C.L.

    10,000 take to Melbourne streets to protest against ‘savage’ federal budget.

    They came from the state’s schools and hospitals, shipyards and construction sites, and swamped the CBD in a sea of high-vis workwear.

    So the astro-turfers were all ordered to attend by their union masters.

    What a bunch of deadbeats.

  13. Snoopy

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #1344606, posted on June 12, 2014 at 6:56 pm
    Anybody watching the Royal Commission live, tell me whether the matter of a Power of Attorney came up? If it had been witnessed correctly, or not?

    It didn’t come up.

  14. C.L.

    Also at that link:

    Kevin Bracken, of the Maritime Union of Australia, led a minute’s silence in honour of dock worker Anthony Attard, 42, who was crushed to death at the Port of Melbourne last month.

    “The government’s attack on red tape is an attack on safety,” he said.

    LOL.

    No minute’s silence for the four men killed by the Rudd/Gillard government.

  15. So a RC into

    (1) Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Program

    (2) Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption

    (3) HSU

    (4) Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

    Which one will the ALPBC focus on?

    Mote
    The priority tonight was a ALP/Green Hatchet job in the senate on Manus Island featuring uncorroborated evidence from a couple of earnest young things.

  16. JC

    They came from the state’s schools and hospitals, shipyards and construction sites, and swamped the CBD in a sea of high-vis workwear.

    So the communist bloc is protesting not enough money is being spent on them.

  17. kae

    Dashed down to oriental eatery for a quick take away (payday yesterday), and heard, briefly, on the news a little of the RC.

    Maybe it’s making an appearance on their ABC now?

  18. Delta A

    CL, none of the news reports mentioned their union backgrounds, or the union bosses rousing them to action. They were, apparently, just disgruntled everyday workers protesting the cruel budget.

  19. Motelier

    Delta A,

    My comments are not actually meant at you.

    My comments are actually directed at the councils that facilitate roadside camping.

    And if business owners want to leave their business open to abuse, for example how much water can a caravan or motorhome carry, then they deserve to go belly up.

  20. Snoopy

    That explains the crickets. Nothing but crickets. :razz:

    Usually the way, Motelier. ;)

    Are you blokes discussing ABC TV Brisbane’s coverage of Bruce Wilson getting skewered at the Royal Commission or ABC 7.30′s coverage?

  21. JC

    Lord Springer-Jones is an unattractive unpleasant woman. I reckon she’s 28.7% male.

  22. blogstrop

    Yes, Manus was high on the list, while Union Corruption disappeared.

  23. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Hussein?

    No, that would insult the peddomo, or something.

    At first I thought the dog was named for the preshizzle’s (Paco™) personal dislike of deodourant. After all, all my US military contacts were saying ‘this guy really, really stinks’.

    But no!

    I was assured the poor mutt was not called B.O., but BO, after … himself.

    Did I believe that any primate, even a lemur, could be this shallow? No, I cry, I did not for I was young and foolish! (The Lying Slapper’s pathetic weaselly excuses have to be good for sumpin’).

    Then they sent me an image, an image of the preshizzle’s (Paco™) reaction to Armstrongs passing, taken to send to his family.

    it was a photo of… himself.

    And yea and verily then I did believe that he actually was a shallow narcissist wot made Narcissus himself look Emo.

  24. Delta A

    Good to hear from you, Kae. Hope you’re feeling better tonight.

  25. kae

    Tooth has settled I think.

    There are other matters which press…

  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    our Victorian Cats, whilst being speed demons (in Audis)

    I am no longer living in Melbourne, Calli. My Audi is currently resting at home, in Sydney. :)
    I am not sure what car Gab drives, though. Brian of Morabbin should know.

  27. nic

    Any charges against Essendon players and officials will ultimately be heard by an AFL tribunal,

    That will be interesting

  28. Motelier

    Snoopy

    #1344671, posted on June 12, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    That explains the crickets. Nothing but crickets. :razz:

    Usually the way, Motelier. ;)

    Are you blokes discussing ABC TV Brisbane’s coverage of Bruce Wilson getting skewered at the Royal Commission or ABC 7.30′s coverage?

    It was a reference to Grigory M’s ability to tell a joke. Private humour.

  29. H B Bear

    Lord Springer-Jones is an unattractive unpleasant woman.

    She looks and sounds like she has sat on a lemon. I feel the will to live ebbing away while watching her – so I don’t.

  30. Baldrick

    You just can’t get any more shallow or narcissistic than that.

    So true MK50. Particularly when Osama Obama made absolutely no mention of gerbil worming in his last re-election campaign. It’s the biggest smoke screen created since the start of Operation Barbarossa.

  31. Max

    Dot, Grey Nomads are a subset of the evil Baby Boomers.

    They are also Retarded

    Using wotif.com , stayz.com.au for holiday houses and other last minute websites they could travel around Australia much more cheaply using a small fuel efficient car.

    Instead they opt to average 20L + per 100klms towing around a 2 tonne van in a big, unwieldy gas guzzler and paying site fees to live on concrete and dirt slab for very very close to the cost of proper motel accommodation.

  32. Snoopy

    No, I’m wrong, the RC is getting a run on 7.30.

    But the matter only came out into the open today and anyway Gillard did nothing wrong.

  33. Motelier

    Max

    They are also Retarded

    Using wotif.com , stayz.com.au for holiday houses and other last minute websites they could travel around Australia much more cheaply using a small fuel efficient car.

    See my point about the older couple upthread.

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    There are other matters which press…

    What with heavy weights and chopper problems, things have been grim for you lately, Kae.
    Time for a pick-me-up. Here in Ireland, I have become fond of Terry’s Chocolate Orange. It comes in little segments like an orange, wrapped in foil that looks like an orange skin, and contained a little blue box with windows showing the plastic-nested fruit within. Just looking at it does me good, and peeling off segments is like reading T.S. Eliot’s Prufrock – do I dare to eat another piece?

    Well, damn the existential misery, I do dare. Go for it, girl. You too, Kae.

  35. Motelier

    However,
    In some places motel accommodation is not easily available.

    My FIL and MIL did a trip across the top end. They ended up purchasing a tent and lived in the car.

    Then they did the trip after they had purchased 5M caravan.

    The cost was actually cheaper in the caravan.

    It depends on the style of travel you want, the price you are willing to pay and where you are going.

    I am sure that in some remote locations, a caravan would be a godsend.

  36. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    … contained in a little blue box. Damned prepositions.

  37. JMH

    The shock jock Faine shall henceforth be known as Sideshow Jon.

    The man is an imbecile.

  38. calli

    Uh oh…what passes for ‘news’ on Channel 10…poor little boy dies from meningococcal, Abbott666 unfair budget Melbourne demos, fat Aussies.

    Nothing, *crickets*, on the RC.

  39. James in Melbourne

    Hey, Waleed, or Mrs. Waleed…..I need to hear yet again how Islam is the religion of peace, and badly misunderstood by we whack-job right-wingers.

    Some of the footage from the 7:30 Report bore evidence to the contrary……I am sure you can explain how this is all a misunderstanding. The Mosulites just don’t get the ISIS lads’ er, enthusiasm.

  40. Grigory M

    Lizzie – unlike Prufrock, you certainly don’t seem to be measuring out your life with coffee spoons.

  41. Delta A

    Max, find out the truth before you start prattling rubbish. Very close to the cost of motel accommodation? Astute travellers regularly find sites in top parks for around $25.00 p/n. Lesser sites start from $10.00 p/n (as at June 2013.)

    Find me a motel at those rates per double p/night and I’ll move in there permanently. Until then talk about what you know and nothing else. (So I guess we won’t be hearing from you again tonight.)

  42. Tintarella di Luna

    It is not worth discussing without trying to change s116 of the Commonwealth Constitution.

    S116 of the Constitution is breached while separate prayer rooms exist on Commonwealth land (airports and unis for a start)

  43. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I am sure that in some remote locations, a caravan would be a godsend.

    Have it both ways, Motelier. Fly Business class, stay five star, and pack a swag as well. Always handy.
    But don’t just take the tent pegs. They are useless by themselves.

  44. Notafan

    Chocolate orange, sounds like a breakfast food to me.
    I was reduced to hunting down a Freddo Frog, so small now they hardly deserve being called a chocolate.

  45. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Ouch! From ‘Ragin’ Dave’ (who did tours in Iraq:

    al-Qaeda takes Mosul.

    Which means that al-Qaeda is now in control of a sizable chunk of Iraq.

    Obama the gutless dipshit has thrown away every single life that was lost in Iraq. Thrown it away for political purposes, just like he threw away the lives in Benghazi for political purposes. Imagine if Roosevelt had run away from Germany while the Nazis were still around, and then the Nazi army had retaken Munich, or Leipzig. If Obama had actually SPOKEN TO THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT before he pulled out every last US troop, or make arrangements to keep a small force there as backup, I’m willing to bet that al-Qaeda would have been stepped on like a bug when it started popping it’s head back up.

    We had already proven that the Iraqi forces could beat the terrorists when they had the US standing behind them. By the time we left, we weren’t even going out on many missions; we provided support for the Iraqi troops who did so. And al-Qaeda was on the run.

    This is just another example of how badly Obama has screwed things up. He’s the anti-Midas. Everything he touches turns to shit. He’s an incompetent, weak, gutless, narcissistic, egomaniacal, pathetic buffoon. And we have even more of him to look forward to in the future. We haven’t hit bottom yet. That stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure is still in office; we have a long ways down to go.

    Hard to argue with that.

  46. Armadillo

    I thought this was an interesting observation.

    Bruce Wilson and his barrister Dr Kristine Hanscombe QC dropped at least two major names at the Royal Commission, that being John Cain Jnr and Bill Ludwig as if to say that if Wilson goes down he will be taking them down with him.

    http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2014/06/12/bruce-wilson-former-boyfriend-of-julia-gillard-and-his-strategy-for-evidence-at-the-royal-commission/

  47. vlad

    Sorry, CL, Golden Gun is my all-time favourite. And it indisputably has the best villain actor/performance in Christopher Lee.

  48. Tom

    I have become fond of Terry’s Chocolate Orange.

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

    Spacechook!!!

  49. Combine_Dave

    Astute travellers regularly find sites in top parks for around $25.00 p/n. Lesser sites start from $10.00 p/n (as at June 2013.)

    Where? Links?

  50. kae

    Terry’s Chocolate Orange?

    Never much liked jaffas, Terry’s is nice, but I prefer hazelnut choccie blocks – or Rafaello. Mmmmmm.

  51. calli

    Yum…chokkie orange.

    Don’t worry about ol’ TS, Lizzie, unless, as you walk along the beach in your rolled trousers, you hear the mermaids singing. But your are in Eire, so who knows what you will hear…and see?

    As for your speedy Audi, you and Gab and Anne, and any Audi drivers are welcome chez calli any time. My lovely Pissant loves some German company…

  52. Notafan

    I prefer renting apartments and catching trains, though that isn’t really an option in Australia.

  53. Delta A

    No-one bothers with wotif anymore. The best deals are from Travel Auctions, where RV sites, units and holiday houses can be bought at a fraction above half price (conditions apply.) That’s how we stay at top parks in Coffs Harbour etc for $17.00 per night.

  54. Matthew

    Japan PM Shinzo Abe via Financial Times (subscription only), on issue of immigration into Japan –

    “In countries that have accepted immigration, there has been a lot of friction, a lot of unhappiness both for the newcomers and the people who already lived there,” he told the audience, as he held up a white signboard marked with a red “x” to underscore his negative position on the issue

    I guess this is the kind of thing that some people here would call racism and bigotry .

  55. Max

    Max, find out the truth before you start prattling rubbish. Very close to the cost of motel accommodation? Astute travellers regularly find sites in top parks for around $25.00 p/n. Lesser sites start from $10.00 p/n (as at June 2013.)

    Find me a motel at those rates per double p/night and I’ll move in there permanently. Until then talk about what you know and nothing else. (So I guess we won’t be hearing from you again tonight.)

    I’ve done it both ways with a Campervan staying in parks and a Honda Civic using stayz and wotif. when you factor fuel into account it works out the same.

  56. Motelier

    Lizzie

    I am only pointing out that ***** star accommodation can be hard to achieve in some locations.

    Hell I have pulled a caravan around, and for a young family it is great. I fully support the grey nomads.

    My trouble is with councils that facilitate free camping, in the belief that it will bring extra business into their region.

    And then they expect business owners to pay full rates.

    Shhh….Lizzie I really misunderstood you there.

    That is my motorhome model.

  57. Matthew

    If Obama had actually SPOKEN TO THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT before he pulled out every last US troop

    The Iraqi government kicked the US out.

  58. kae

    GM
    I like Dawn French. She’s a hoot.
    Her Terry’s Chocolate Orange adverts were amusing.

    Her Vicar of Dibley character had a chocolate dedicated glass fronted fridge for when her heart was broken.

  59. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    the beloved had 900k FFP’s

    Calli, it is very sinful to have that many stashed. Remember Ansett, I caution Da Hairy Ape, as I ask for his password and book something. Weekends are good, and you need a rest, I always tell him kindly.

  60. Max

    Not to mention many Grey Nomads will cop $25k +++ depreciation on both the new van and the new Landcruiser tow vehicle.

    I drove around oz in a 8K honda civic and then sold it for a $500 profit.

  61. Tintarella di Luna

    …Nah, Tinta. That is not some silly Thermomix thinggie, that is aeroplanes.

    I’m sure you’re right Lizzie. Thank you too for the beautiful word pictures from your Italian experience I swear the fragrance of those lacy flowers was hovering in the air as I was reading your post over breakfast

  62. Notafan

    I wish somebody would destroy ISIS, but they now appear to have gotten their hands on a lots of money and mountains of equipment and are sitting in Mosul with around a million civilians.
    That might also help them in Syria.

  63. vlad

    I’m sorry, I’ll try that again.

    Women are there to look pretty and be saved.

    That’s a little harsh. They’re also there to shout, “Look out behind you, James” (and “Mick, he’s got a knife”).

  64. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    No-one bothers with wotif anymore.

    Wotif boss G. Wood funded the rise of the Greens under Rudd and Gillard.
    No-one of any morality has used them since that. I was once a constant user, so G. Wood has lost out big time with me.

  65. Delta A

    CD, we use a combination of Travel Auctions and local specials. TA are for 10 nights (powered site) or 3 nights for units etc. My favourite $25.00 special is at the trial Bay Big 4 park (April to November) at South West Rocks. The $10.00 park was at Coolamon, a lovely park in a beautiful country town.

    And now no more FB from me, I promise.

  66. calli

    Lizzie, I remember Ansett quite well…we had a motza in FFP’s there too…

    When the crash came and the beloved was upset, I waltzed him into the kitchen…to the tune of ‘Come Fly Me To The Moon’. That’s why we are at 38 years and still going strong. :D

  67. Combine_Dave

    Just curious. I know some grey nomads that will soon be touring AUS so any info is useful.

    They’ve got the massive Jap SUV (made in thailand) and even bigger (oz built) caravan already.

  68. Baldrick

    Shit … I knew we couldn’t get through a page without some mention of Thermomix. Grrrrrr!

  69. Matthew

    Slogan for LDP immigration policy:

    Elites get cheap labor, you get lower wages.

  70. Motelier

    Lizzie, I remember Ansett quite well…we had a motza in FFP’s there too…

    When the crash came and the beloved was upset, I waltzed him into the kitchen…to the tune of ‘Come Fly Me To The Moon’. That’s why we are at 38 years and still going strong. :D

    I have my hands over my eyes saying “”"” nananannananananananananannanana” TMI

  71. calli

    Thermomix! Nyuk nyuk…

    I have no shame.

  72. Motelier

    Combine_Dave

    I may as well go on here full steam and wreck the industry.

    There are lots of websites that give information about how to do the circuit cheaply. It also lists all of the hotspots to see.

    Google caravanning Australia and free.

  73. calli

    Good heavens, Mote…we waltzed. There was a reference to kitchen shenanigans upthread, but it weren’t me.

  74. Cold-Hands

    Bruce Wilson and his barrister Dr Kristine Hanscombe QC dropped at least two major names at the Royal Commission, that being John Cain Jnr and Bill Ludwig

    Plus a big “come on down” to his Honour Judge Brendan Murphy.

  75. Motelier

    I am going to take my Ipad and go and slow cook the lamb chops now.

    shhhhhhhhhhhhh

  76. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Women are there to look pretty and be saved.

    Suits me. :)
    And now I have some ironing to do.
    Then I shall wake up Da Hairy Ape, who is having a day off, and engage in some intellectual talk.
    Just because I can. And because he can’t get away from me today.

  77. Delta A

    Combine_Dave, adding to Mote’s suggestion, also google Badger and Turu.

    I can’t see how it wrecks the industry, Motelier. Many of these parks would be almost deserted off season if not for special deals, usually taken up by nomads. As Park owners have told me often, it is win-win for both owners and patrons.

    Peak season and it’s all deals off, of course, and business as usual.

  78. Motelier

    Then I shall wake up Da Hairy Ape, who is having a day off, and engage in some intellectual talk.
    Just because I can. And because he can’t get away from me today.

    See you in a couple of hours Lizzie :shock:

  79. Combine_Dave

    I guess this is the kind of thing that some people here would call racism and bigotry

    They would be right. Asians in general (not just Japan) didn’t get the memo on tolerating people of other races or in a lot of cases people of the same race but different nationality.

  80. Combine_Dave

    There are lots of websites that give information about how to do the circuit cheaply. It also lists all of the hotspots to see.

    Google caravanning Australia and free.

    Thanks guys for the info. I’ll pass it along to the old boy.

  81. Max

    Asians in general (not just Japan) didn’t get the memo on tolerating people of other races or in a lot of cases people of the same race but different nationality.

    You will also hear Greeks and Italians regularly call Australian women – - “Aussie Sluts” — but somehow thats not racist.

  82. Motelier

    Delta A

    I can’t see how it wrecks the industry, Motelier. Many of these parks would be almost deserted off season if not for special deals, usually taken up by nomads. As Park owners have told me often, it is win-win for both owners and patrons.

    Peak season and it’s all deals off, of course, and business as usual.

    As long as that is understood by both parties.

    My understanding is that once a price has been paid, and Mrs M and I have been in this industry for close on 16 years, is that once a price has been paid in the past, that is the price in the future.

    I had someone walk in the door tonight, looking for a twin room for two people. Our normal rate is 145.00 per night, but we are down a bit tonight so I offered a deal of 115.00 and cooked breakfast for the night.

    He had stayed here previously, but shuddered at the price rise from 70.00 in 1989 not my quote tonight.

    I am dammed if I do and dammed if I do not.

  83. nerblnob

    ‘Come Fly Me To The Moon’

    That’s two tunes.

    Both associated with Sinatra – here doing CFWM – but I prefer Julie London on FMTTM

    Anthony Attard, 42, who was crushed to death at the Port of Melbourne last month.

    “The government’s attack on red tape is an attack on safety,” he said.

    LOL.

    Twats. The accident happened before any changes have been made. Perhaps Tony Abbott was driving the trailer that crushed him? Or was it an MUA member? We don’t know, because the article I read in The Age doesn’t say, it just reproduces the MUA statements .

    What we do know is that unions will rush to the press in the wake of any accident and try to take ownership of it, demanding more regulations , even if it was caused by the incompetence, inattentiveness or laxity of their own members.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Calli, I actually don’t remember Ansett, but I have heard about it. The way Qantas is shifting around its ff business, I don’t trust them, and some of our Emirates points are expiring as I speak – they seem to expire by date not by whether you keep flying with them, which is a bit rude, I think, as we often go Emirates. This time over though was on their A380 but on a Qantas codeshare number.
    It’s hard to keep up with it all.

  85. Combine_Dave

    You will also hear Greeks and Italians regularly call Australian women – – “Aussie Sluts” — but somehow thats not racist.

    In that case it would depend on how swarthy the greek/italian issuing the statement was and the complexion and ethnicity of the aussie slut in question。 Victim poker has a lot of variables to it.

  86. Max

    He had stayed here previously, but shuddered at the price rise from 70.00 in 1989 not my quote tonight.

    Grey nomads are somewhere between children and adults, that means we have to rescinding their right to vote and slapping other sorts of restrictions on their conduct, just like we do with children, parolees, and the retarded and mentally ill.

  87. Of course, our Victorian Cats, whilst being speed demons (in Audis) would be courteous and civil. That is a given.

    Natch. Victorian Cats would never perform random unpredictable manouvres on an open road. They could of course, have a go at drumming some driving sense into their countrymen, on behalf of us northern road using cats.

  88. kae

    When has Aussie been a race?

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    See you in a couple of hours Lizzie :shock:

    He has just staggered out. Heard me chatting nicely to a man who came to read the gas meter.
    The ironing is still undone.
    I am undone.
    I said I would do it. And I haven’t!
    Now he wants lunch and for us to go out somewhere nice.
    We’ll have the shake the creases out of his jeans and my top.

  90. calli

    That’s two tunes.

    That may be so, but it was my tune in an emergency. And it put a smile on his face.

    And in the end, that’s what counts.

  91. He had stayed here previously, but shuddered at the price rise from 70.00 in 1989 not my quote tonight.

    Get this all the time.
    “A bottle of [choose a plonk] costs $9 less in Sydmelbrisberra. Why are you charging more here?” or
    “A 5-star room in Cairns is only [insert last night’s cheap last minute deal, say $150) why are you charging more for a room that is further from civilisation/amenities/coffeeshops/luna park/etc.”

    They aren’t even polite about it. Nay, they are rarely civil.

  92. nerblnob

    My understanding is that once a price has been paid, and Mrs M and I have been in this industry for close on 16 years, is that once a price has been paid in the past, that is the price in the future.

    You’d think people would be getting used to variable demand pricing what with all the budget airlines and hotel chains and aggregator websites doing it. Certainly is that way in Europe.

    Australia needs a Ryanair, an easyjet, a Premier Inn/Travelodge chain (sorry Mr M but you can play the game too). They advertise rooms at £28/night on certain quieter period dates but you will struggle to book more than one or two at the low price before the price goes up. . People are gradually cottoning on.

    Anyway, I presume they paid up despite the grumbles?

  93. Combine_Dave

    Natch. Victorian Cats would never perform random unpredictable manouvres on an open road.

    Victorian plates… audis…. dear god.

    Combine that with the terrible roads in Qld and you’ve got a perfect storm of road carnage.

    Audi drivers are the reason I need to upgrade the size of our family drive to provide greater safety. :)

    In the words of JC (Jeremy Clarkson), all the ‘cocks’ who used to drive beamers are all now behind the wheel of an Audi (or VW depending on their budget).

  94. Matthew

    Victim poker has a lot of variables to it.

    The straight white man must be the lowest card then.

  95. Combine_Dave

    When has Aussie been a race?

    In my experience wogs (and various others) use ‘Aussie’ as shorthand only for Anglo-Saxon Aussies.

  96. Rarely seen an Audi on the road anywhere near here. Come to think of it I don’t think I’ve ever seen one.

  97. Combine_Dave

    Victim poker has a lot of variables to it.

    The straight white man must be the lowest card then.

    Correct. But not only that is capable of causing offence merely by being.

  98. Gab

    In my experience wogs (and various others) use ‘Aussie’ as shorthand only for Anglo-Saxon Aussies.

    In my experience they’re called ‘skips’, as in ‘skippy’.

  99. Delta A

    Mote, I don’t think it is really possible to compare caravan park sites with motel rooms. A site sits vacant until a van pulls in, powers up (covered in the site fee) then chugs off again days later.

    Fees for a motel room include linen, power, maintenance, servicing… Lord, you know all this much better than I do. And for an establishment in a busy area there is often not much of a slack season.

    Less busy establishments and holiday units might find it helpful to offer deals for slow times, but even so the long term or semi-permanent nomad market will tend towards caravans or RVs, utilising the specials which keep those parks in business during quiet times.

  100. Grigory M

    ‘skips’ – Leb terminology for Australians.

  101. nerblnob

    Plenty of Audis on the road here in UK. No special cachet about them.

    As they say: in Europe, a “European car” is known as a “car”.

  102. Motelier

    nerblnob:

    We are in there, however the net price for a room has stagnated over the last 24 months when purchased online.

    The online operators have increased thier commission from 10% to 15% in most cases.

    I have said this previously and I will say it again.

    Always find the best deal on-line that you can, google the place to stay and then use the phone.

    BOTH PARTIES WILL BE BETTER OFF.

  103. Combine_Dave

    Rarely seen an Audi on the road anywhere near here. Come to think of it I don’t think I’ve ever seen one.

    They tend to be quite beautiful :)

    For him http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQyaVpLswVGEXaOvZsF-18ioKrKVDHMC72ALMTQmrHsqLWTsRqigQ

    For her http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsDrCNJhEN1gjeDh9ouzhMdUcQ4CremvBm3DCWYSCxLYEwbAgrKw

    Family edition http://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-q7

  104. nerblnob

    Always find the best deal on-line that you can, google the place to stay and then use the phone.

    Yep, especially with owner-operator places, rather give my 10% to them. And they’ll do stuff like wait up for you and all that, bless ‘em.

  105. Combine_Dave

    ‘skips’ – Leb terminology for Australians.

    Hadn’t heard that one. But I don’t see many lebs around here ^^ (pacific islanders, aborigines, Chinese Koreans and the occassional Japanese yes).

  106. Snoopy

    Bruce Wilson and his barrister Dr Kristine Hanscombe QC dropped at least two major names at the Royal Commission, that being John Cain Jnr and Bill Ludwig

    Plus a big “come on down” to his Honour Judge Brendan Murphy.

    Prior to the close of today’s hearings Hanscombe argued the toss with Commissioner Heydon over parts of Wilson’s statements that Heydon had disallowed. These apparently were similar to what Jon Faine had read out on radio. Heydon asked Hanscombe why she wanted to know. IIRC she replied that it pertained to some other legal action that was contemplated.

    The other cat is certainly among the pigeons.

  107. Combine_Dave

    Plenty of Audis on the road here in UK. No special cachet about them.

    Saw a lot of shitty French hatchbacks in France, not so many Audis…

    Kept out of sight due to the all too frequent car barbeques?

  108. Gab

    Combine Dave, let me disabuse of the notion that it is only “Lebs” who refer to Aussies as ‘skips’. Have heard it from Italians and Greeks as well, in liberal doses.

  109. calli

    ‘skips’ – Leb terminology for Australians.

    My bloodnut son was called that many times by his girlfriend’s Maltese family. I told him it was a term of endearment.

    Fortunately, the relationship was short lived.

  110. Combine_Dave

    Must be a southerner thing then ;)

    *channels SATP*

  111. Motelier

    I have to reply to a couple of misconceptions upthread but I am eating dinner.

    Give me 20 minutes.

  112. Snoopy

    From Kangar00 Court of Australia.

    Dr Hanscombe raised the Commonwealth Bank meeting and John Cain’s attendance with Ian Cambridge when he was witness on Wednesday (1o/6/14) and asked Cambridge the following:

    Q. Mr Cain is a highly reputable practitioner, you agree
    with that?
    A. I would assume so. I don’t know him.

    Q. Well, he was the Victorian Government Solicitor for
    about 10 years, did you know that?

    A. No.
    Q. No?

    A. No.
    Q. And a very experienced practitioner. Do you agree
    with that – even at that time?

    A. Well, I assume he was. I didn’t know him. I’ve never
    met him. I don’t know him.

    Q. You’re not suggesting, are you, that somebody of
    Mr Cain’s stature would have taken part in something that
    was improper or illegal?
    A. I’m not making any suggestions of any nature

    Correct answer to last question:

    Yes, bacause Marcus Einfeld.

  113. JC

    This Iraq quagmire is a little worrying, not hugely worrying, but just a little. Iraq oil exports have been growing and any concerns about supplies will impact the oil market.

    Iraq isn’t Syria where no one gives a shit.

    Brent crude oil rose to the highest since the start of March and West Texas Intermediate to an eight month high as violence escalated in Iraq, the second-largest producer in OPEC.

    Brent rose as much as 2.1 percent to $112.29 a barrel. WTI, the U.S. benchmark, advanced 1.9 percent. Militants linked to al-Qaeda extended control over Iraq’s second-biggest city and battled for energy infrastructure, including the nation’s largest refinery. U.S. planes may bomb northern Iraq, Oil Minister Abdul Kareem al-Luaibi said today in Vienna.

    “The Iraq development is the main driver for oil prices today and increases nervousness over the security of supply from the country,” Carsten Fritsch, an analyst at Commerzbank AG in Frankfurt, said by phone today. The possibility of U.S. intervention in Iraq “is another sign of how desperate the situation is and how weak the government has become.”

    Brent for July settlement rose by as much as $2.34, or 2.1 percent, and was at $111.81 a barrel as of 11:52 a.m. on the London-based ICE Futures Europe exchange. The contract expires tomorrow.
    Kirkuk Oil

    WTI for July delivery climbed as much as $1.94 to $106.34 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange and was at $106.03 at 11:36 a.m. London time. WTI traded as high as $106.46 on Sept. 20.

    Militants seized the city of Mosul in northern Iraq yesterday and have halted repairs to the nation’s main pipeline from the Kirkuk oil field to the Mediterranean port of Ceyhan in Turkey. They advanced on Tikrit and there were conflicting reports of whether the 310,000 barrel-a-day Baiji refinery had been captured by the militants.

    Iraqi crude is being exported from the south and the country shipped 5.43 million barrels of crude from Basrah yesterday, according to the oil minister.

    Iraq’s military, backed by air power, attacked fighters of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant in Saddam Hussein’s former hometown of Tikrit, about 80 miles (130 kilometers) north of Baghdad, state-sponsored Iraqiya television reported today.

  114. Too Cheap to Meter

    Delta A and others.
    I have ” I will let you pass as soon as I can” on my bus tail as well as using radio to smooth moves as much as I can. And I am good to my pledge. I have, however, seen shitbags deliberately using vans as chess pieces in some incomprehensible “What’s your’re hurry?” obstruction. However that sort of nonsense is to be expected. One or two grey nomads will be carrying some “just been fired” angst. Same as city traffic where some road users are shit faced/crazy angry on other drugs and/or for other reasons. I have operated all kinds of vehicles. A professional learns to spot the loopers and treat them as the “people going through a rough time” , “idiots that can’t drive” and “whatever other nonsense infects public space” . I have seen blood and asphalt. Rubbish driver attitude might be a conversation starter but KE=1/2MV^2 is a conversation stopper. Cant argue with Physics.

    Back the fuck off and let them continue on to where they want to go.

    “Don’t pet the sweaty things”

  115. JC

    Gab

    What city is the most beautiful Italian city or town? No equivocations. One!

  116. Gab

    Cinque Terra. Okay that’s more than one.

  117. Sinclair Davidson

    What city is the most beautiful Italian city or town?

    Florence.

  118. Gab

    And then there’s Sorrento on the Amalfi Coast.

  119. Motelier

    Okay

    Let me say this.

    For one, Delta A. Any comparison between Motels/Hotels and Caravan Parks is valid. Our product in both cases is rooms/site for sale. SatP and my room costs might be higher, but that is a factor of our servicing costs.

    In regards to nerblnob,
    Yes the customer is getting it together in this regard, however we lease in both places, and that cost and the other operating costs are rising. Consequently margins are getting smaller.

    Eventually the downward price will always equal less customer service.

  120. Grigory M

    What city is the most beautiful Italian city or town?

    Florence.

    Agreed.

  121. JC

    Okay fair enough, – it’s the Italian Riviera. Not a bad choice. I might shock wifey and take her in the Sept, if the parents thing is stable. Just thinking of somewhere to go. I haven’t been in Italy for around 12 years of so, do it’s time I think.

    In Sept you’d wanna be further south no?

  122. calli

    What city is the most beautiful Italian city or town?

    Florence.

    Si.

    Wiv bells on.

  123. Infidel Tiger

    What city is the most beautiful Italian city or town? No equivocations. One!

    Griffith.

  124. Gab

    Firenze is also good.

    JC, there’s no bad time of year to go to Italy, imho :) Except of course during the height of summer when the place is stacked with tourists.

  125. Combine_Dave

    This Iraq quagmire is a little worrying, not hugely worrying, but just a little. Iraq oil exports have been growing and any concerns about supplies will impact the oil market.

    Perhaps the miracle worker Abbott can convince Putin to stablise the world’s oil supply combat the rising tide of terrorism in Iraq?

  126. Infidel Tiger

    I haven’t been in Italy for around 12 years of so, do it’s time I think.

    And yet you’re still speaking broken English.

  127. Grigory M

    Sorrento on the Amalfi Coast

    Nice place – drivers are crazy.

  128. JC

    Calli

    I love the food in Florence as i reckon it’s the only place they serve decent portions without going hungry. I had the most gorgeous desert there and would go back just for that alone. It was made of chestnut flour or some crap. (I hope this doesn;’ break out into a food discussion).

    I found Florence always dark. I’ve been few times and it seems to me to be dark -almost like the sun forgets to shine there.

  129. Gab

    $25.25 now that’s a nice number.

  130. Motelier

    What city is the most beautiful Italian city or town?

    Florence.

    Definitely not Paris or any town in the south of France on the Mediterranean. The place needs a good coat of paint.

    However, Mrs M and I did enjoy Strasbourg, just for the history of course.

    Epernay, in the Champagne district is where Mrs M would settle in an instant.

  131. Gab

    Motelier, check your GPS. I think it’s stuffed :)

  132. Tintarella di Luna

    Anybody watching the Royal Commission live, tell me whether the matter of a Power of Attorney came up? If it had been witnessed correctly, or not?

    It didn’t come up. Anybody watching the Royal Commission live, tell me whether the matter of a Power of Attorney came up? If it had been witnessed correctly, or not?

    It didn’t come up.

    I’m sure it dit today when the questions were asked I think by the Counsel-assisting the commission about the purchase of the property at auction Wilson said that the contract was signed under power of attorney and I think he said the power of attorney was to hand. It was mid-way through the afternoon session. And the question was asked about who filled out the cheque for the deposit because the cheque was already signed and merely had to be completed with the payee details and amount. I watched the whole thing today

  133. Peter from SA

    I know this is not trendy but my marriage lasted just long enough to enjoy Venice … it is very cool if you can learn to beat the tourist aspects.

  134. Sinclair Davidson

    Had the best lasagna ever in Fiesole – just outside Florence.

  135. Combine_Dave

    I haven’t been in Italy for around 12 years of so, do it’s time I think.

    And yet you’re still speaking broken English

    He’s working on his victim poker ranking.

    Once he converts to Islam and has a sex change he’ll be unstoppable. Esp if he decides to join academia or an NGA.

  136. Tintarella di Luna

    What city is the most beautiful Italian city or town?

    Florence.

    Si.

    Wiv bells on.

    D’accordo

  137. Grigory M

    What city is the most beautiful Italian city or town?

    Florence.

    Definitely not Paris or any town in the south of France on the Mediterranean

    Not sure how to tell you this, Motelier – but Paris and the south of France are not in Italy.

  138. JC

    And yet you’re still speaking broken English.

    Don’t blame me, IT. She’s the one always pining about going there. Personally I hate travel as I’m too lazy and like my routine.

    She had the temerity to suggest we go and live there for a couple of months. The mere thought of co-existing with my fellow ethnic brethren isn’t my idea of a holiday. And I always end up in arguments when I’ve been because I can’t stand their surly freaking attitude.

    If I have to travel, the US is about it as far as I’m concerned. Seen one 500 year old church and you’ve seen them all.

  139. Motelier

    Motelier, check your GPS. I think it’s stuffed :)

    Opps your are right there.

    Italy is on the bucket list to do.

    So I will now sit back and look at the thread and make an even better bucket list for Italy.

  140. nerblnob

    Was in Bologna & Florence last October. Weather was rainy now and then but mostly sunny & warm. Would be reliably nicer in September.

    I go to Bologna & drive or train to Ravenna fairly often on business. Nice towns both, like ‘em a lot, but Florence is the place for tourism. Modena if you’re into Ferrari, Lamborghini, Ducati & balsamic vinegar I guess.

    38 minutes on the fast train between Bologna and Florence but you see fuckall – it’s all tunnels under the Apennines.

    Florence is funny. You can pay €6 for an icecream on a tourist drag (off Ponte Vecchio) and go one block behind and get better €1 ice creams . Most places you’ve got to go a bit further than that to see a difference.

  141. James in Melbourne

    I found Florence always dark. I’ve been few times and it seems to me to be dark -almost like the sun forgets to shine there.

    Next time, try the one in Italy.

  142. Motelier

    Grigory. M

    I am now in the naughty corner.

    Again

  143. 132andBush

    Griffith.

    Very good.

    The plane on the stick is good.

  144. calli

    I was sung to in the Boboli gardens…during a thunderstorm…by a girl behind the gift store counter.

    Everything about Florence is magical…except for the fine if you’re caught entering a restricted parking zone. That’s diabolical and will follow you to the ends of the earth.

    Harking back to Lizzie…and the Uffizi…in the room the women come and go. Talking of Michelangelo…

  145. JC

    Mote

    Paris is gorgeous. It’s a wonderful city and funnily enough, although I despise the frogs en masse, I also kinda like too at the same time. Funny that.

    However France has one beautiful city. Italy is loaded with them. I think even Milan is beautiful in its own boring way.

  146. Grigory M

    Venice

    St Mark’s Square is excellent at night when the weather is good and all the little musical groups are playing while you enjoy wine and nibbles – not so good when it’s flooded and you have to walk the duck-boards in knee high water.

  147. nerblnob

    Had the best lasagna ever in Fiesole – just outside Florence.

    had the worst ever in Piazza dei Pitti but that’s what you get for stopping because the missus’s feet are sore.

  148. Tintarella di Luna

    Everything about Florence is magical…except for the fine if you’re caught entering a restricted parking zone. That’s diabolical and will follow you to the ends of the earth.

    That happened to us too calli, in Florence, the damned GPS didn’t work and we obviously entered a restricted zone — the fine followed us in Italian to Australia and finally we had to get the bank to fix it up.

  149. Nic

    I’ll bet the diggers who lugged their guns through Greece weren’t known as skips then, for some reason

  150. Nic

    Venice, when it snows is magical

  151. Tintarella di Luna

    This talk of Italy is making me feel a bit nostalgic, not for Italy but for the bits of Italy that are no longer in my life.

  152. Pete of Perth

    These people probably also sell thermo-mixes crazy scientology promo

  153. JC

    Did you live there, Tint.

  154. calli

    Venice, when it snows is magical

    But when it rains, it’s horrid.

    A wee weffer south is Ravenna…only a couple of things to see, but they are magnificent, and look just as fresh as the day they were made.

  155. Grigory M

    Venice, when it snows is magical

    So is Alberobello, in Bari Province (southern Italy) on the rare occasions that the Trulli Houses are covered in snow.

  156. Motelier

    Paris is gorgeous. It’s a wonderful city and funnily enough, although I despise the frogs en masse, I also kinda like too at the same time. Funny that.

    JC

    The last time we were in Paris, Mrs M and I played one of two games. What is that stench, and, what happens next.

    However we both enjoyed Paris, and we both want to go back.

    The history of the old European and English cities gets to me. If I had my way I would spend all day in museums, Mrs M likes the food places.

    We all have to compromise.

  157. Snoopy

    It didn’t come up.

    I’m sure it did today when the questions were asked I think by the Counsel-assisting the commission about the purchase of the property at auction Wilson said that the contract was signed under power of attorney and I think he said the power of attorney was to hand.

    Tinta, I took it that Zulu’s inquiry was about the matter of witnessing of the power of attorney. Counsel for the Commission, Mr Stoljar, didn’t pursue that. I suppose that is not considered to directly involve Wilson. Maybe it’s a matter for a future witness? :)

  158. Motelier

    Hmmm…

    I am now going to bookmark this thread.

    Mrs M and I are planning the next big break.

    I suppose a trip to the Modena should be always be factored in for a confirmed revhead.

  159. nerblnob

    A wee weffer south is Ravenna…only a couple of things to see, but they are magnificent

    Normally I’m too busy during the day in Ravenna, but this last time we went to see the mosaics. Holy fuck, they are impressive. 15 years I’ve been going there and never saw them before.

    It snows pretty heavily in the southern mountains. People are surprised. That’s also where the biggest onshore oil field in Western Europe is, but most Italians have never heard of it.

  160. Tintarella di Luna

    Did you live there, Tint.

    No JC, I was imported Italian parts assembled here but I lived my parents version of Italy here in Oz at least for the first 17 years of my life. When I came to Sydney I couldn’t afford salami or parmesan cheese so I used to go to Paddy’s markets, there was a stand of Italian produce with a guy who used to sing Opera — I ‘d hang around there on a Saturday just to smell the cheese and salami and be homesick.

  161. nerblnob

    Best game in Paris is stand on top of the Arc d’Triomphe and count how long until you see a bingle.
    My record is 20 minutes, car ran into a motorbike.

  162. JC

    It snows pretty heavily in the southern mountains. People are surprised. That’s also where the biggest onshore oil field in Western Europe is, but most Italians have never heard of it.

    No shit, really? I thought they didn’t have an oil well to their name.

  163. Peter from SA

    not really me to say … but … there might be a new thread? which flunky is no. 1?

  164. Sinclair Davidson

    New thread.

  165. Hoof hearted

    The RC into the HSU starts nexr week.
    I fink they’ll have Bill by the Shorten curlies.

  166. Stevie Katter, kind of has a ring to it, no?

    Quite a ring. How did you find out my real name?

  167. Tintarella di Luna

    Tinta, I took it that Zulu’s inquiry was about the matter of witnessing of the power of attorney

    Yes you’re right Snoopy, but I thought it passing strange that Wilson particularly mentioned that the power of attorney was to hand, I thought Olive Brosnan had called for the power of attorney in one of her memos in the conveyancing matter. I found that very interesting. I don’t think Commissioner Heydon gave an inch on the matters Dr Hanscombe wanted let back in though, did he?

  168. Gab

    Had the best lasagna ever in Fiesole – just outside Florence.

    I had the best lasagna ever in Campbellfield, just outside of Melbourne. The MIL makes her own pasta and is so fine and light it nearly hovers above the plate.

  169. Goodbye to English Departments”, by Mary Grabar:

    English departments have pretty much given up on their mission of preserving a literary canon or teaching poetic form and rhetorical strategies. Decades ago, politics of race, class, and gender overtook any concern for preserving and perpetuating poetic art. In fact, to claim that there is such a thing as Literature was to align oneself with the right-wing Imperialists. […]
    So what the University of Arizona is doing is only the logical conclusion in this move away from literature: they are eliminating the English department. They don’t say this, but by moving English from the Humanities Department to the College of Social Behavior, they are relegating literature to the purely utilitarian. They see the word as simply a means for persuading and transmitting information. Such moves in higher education parallel the focus under the Common Core K-12 program on “informational texts,” which, as it turns out, often are slightly disguised ideological texts.
    Today, we have a digital miasma of information with college graduates trained to discernment only to the point of being able to distinguish politically unacceptable ideas from those that are. Anything that does not go along with the current political pieties is considered “far-right,” “extremist,” or “reactionary.” These are terms used by professors and in assigned reading material.
    Poetry then becomes nothing more than self-expression of momentary impulses or fleeting observations without regard to form or tradition–kind of like Tweets or Facebook posts about the delicious overstuffed sandwich on the plate. Anyone can be a poet–as long as the message is acceptable politically. At poetry slams in coffee houses across the country the pencil-scribbling on the step to the podium garners as much applause as the carefully constructed (rare) villanelle. The subjects of the “poems” are usually the scribblers themselves–the outrages against them personally and the failure of the world to grasp their vision of justice.

  170. Snoopy, another possible answer to Dr Hanscombe’s “You’re not suggesting, are you, that somebody of Mr Cain’s stature would have taken part in something that was improper or illegal?”:

    “We have been discussing, have we not, a partner at Slater & Gordon helping a bloke commit fraud?”

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