Wednesday Forum: June 11, 2014

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  1. Tintarella di Luna

    To be or not to be that is the question? I think I’ll be for today

  2. Tintarella di Luna

    Smell lovely, last thread was smelling of old shoes gone over old ground.

  3. A Lurker

    I’ll not to be – just to be contrary.

  4. Cold-Hands

    For those who missed it on the last fred, here’s self-avowed atheist Brendan O’Neill’s take on the Tuam baby burials which offers a fair and non-sensational opinion.

  5. Token

    Great link by Blogstrong to VDH in the old thread:

    Obama’s foreign-policy weakness encourages our enemies and disheartens our allies.

  6. Token

    That is a really good article Cold Hands.

    To be fair to Johanna, she did link to and acknowledge that article before the thread started going in a different direction.

  7. dragnet

    VIII ‘th – first time I have got to play this game!

  8. Token

    In other words, a retired lawyer who once worked for the BLF has done what Jon Faine and the ABC have conspicuously failed to do

    Malcolm Turnbull’s fiends of the ABC group must be overflowing with joy about the way so many parts of the ABC are working together to trash the royal commission.

  9. Gab

    Excellent article by Janet Albrechtsen on Clive Palmer . She really nails him. The full article is on the previous Open Forum.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/palmers-wrecking-ball-wont-fly-forever/story-e6frg7bo-1226949808457

  10. Supplice

    Whats with this early morning bizzo? Before first coffee of the day even. Haven’t even had time to look at the papers yet…

  11. incoherent rambler

    How is it possible that someone involved in… in, in questionable behaviour becomes Prime Minister? – Nowicki

    Indeed.

    Fear not. Faine has cracked it, it is one large right wing conspiracy.

    My question, do ABC presenters (no one in particular and I would not suggest wrongdoing ) pay for their own renovations?

  12. Habib

    ABC Brsbane this morning hyperventilating about a return to the Joh era, ignoring the excesses of Beattie/Bligh and their mis-use of the CMC, nepotistic appointments to the bench and board, and general malfeasance and idiocy. Odd indeed that because the PUP hate the LNP, they’re much favoured; the old enemy of my enemy is my freind maxim is strong among the blithering left.

    Pity no-one from the Liberals or Nationals has the testicles to take to that $1.2B collective of cretins with a V8 chainsaw.

    There’s one thing I wish would return from the ’70s, and that was stupid hippies being bonked on their empty heads with billy clubs and thrown in the pokey with incontinent winos. I speak from experience, such an experience may have been the beginning of my trip to Damascus.

  13. Fred

    Daniels Andrews is 41 years old and has never had a real job. He took 6 years to complete a 3 year Arts degree. And he says that the people of Frankston deserve better than Geoff Shaw!

  14. Grigory M

    “To be or not to be – That is the point.”

  15. Gab

    For those who missed it on the last fred, here’s self-avowed atheist Brendan O’Neill’s take on the Tuam baby burials which offers a fair and non-sensational opinion.

    And I’ll add to that the article wherein the local historian who broke the news says she never said there were 800 bodies “dumped” in a septic tank and is confounded how the leftist anti-Catholic hate media could possibly distort facts.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/tuam-mother-and-baby-home-the-trouble-with-the-septic-tank-story-1.1823393?page=1

  16. Bruce of Newcastle

    News today from the climatistas. Apparently climate change has caused us not to meet aliens yet. At the same time kids must fight environmental disaster by having vegan school lunches.

    Also it will make us go insane and do drugs.

    All three somehow remind me of Bob Brown.

  17. Armadillo

    Ooohhh…I’m late to this forum. I’m from Canadia, so I’m a bit slow.

  18. Gab

    AUSTRALIA’S Ambassador to the US Kim Beazley has revealed that the Obama administration was “intrigued” by Tony Abbott’s accomplishments in Asia and would now be looking to him to become their man in the region…

    “He has them somewhat intrigued,” Mr Beazley said in a rare interview on his assessment of the US/Australia relationship…

    “And they are very interested in the Prime Minister’s visits to Asia…and what he has arranged in the region.

    “They are intrigued by his relationship with the Japanese Prime Minister and the fact Australia is looking to do more and more with Japan and how he managed to balance that out with quite a reasonable dialogue with China.

    “They think that was a little risk taking by the Australian Prime Minister….and he seemed to pull it off, so in their minds that is a plus… They see a bloke who has done pretty well in Asia in the last little while.”…

    Mr Beazley dismissed suggestions that President Obama, who Mr Abbott once described as leading one of the most left wing US administrations in 50 years, would offer a cool reception for the Australian PM… Mr Beazley also played down speculation that the two leaders would clash over climate change and President Obama’s recent announcement of a global action plan to cut greenhouse emissions.

    “I would be surprised if climate change weren’t discussed….but I wouldn’t expect it to be a clash,” he said.

    Seems Pleberserk is the “Nigel no-friends”.

  19. dover_beach

    Quote my words, or give it a rest.

    Who is this addressed to? (I’ve said this once before, by the way) Quoting the person you’re responding to usually helps.

  20. incoherent rambler

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/bruce-wilson-should-face-charges-inquiry-counsel/story-fng5kxvh-1226949993345

    At one point the slush fund ­”association” held $156,849 in one bank account and $383,332.60 in a cheque account.

    At the time, that was serious money.

    Can Mark Scott clarify that the ABC’s dedicated support for these fraudsters is purely ideological?

  21. Poor Old Rafe

    Good stuff from Don Aitkin again, he has become a must-subscribe!

  22. Notafan

    It is a very good article thankyou also coldhands, interesting that even the Magdalene laundries story has been grossly exaggerated.
    I do remember when the Irish abuse stories hit the headlines being a little shocked how low the actual numbers involved were. Not that it in any way excuses the perpetrators or those that put the church ahead of the victims.

  23. Token

    Driven by vengeance, old feuds and new, Palmer seems hell-bent on causing instability in Canberra knowing this will turn many against the Abbott government after six chaotic years under Labor.

    AJ was making all sorts of threats to the QLD government about how in June the POP (Palmer Owned Party) senators linking up with the Greens & Labor to call a senate enquiry into CSG in Queensland.

    WTF did the Qld government do to get that man so belligerent?

  24. nerblnob

    Kim Beazley says the seppoes think Abbott is doing a great job in Asia, is what popped up on my news feed.

    Is it so?

  25. Aristogeiton

    From previous fred:

    Aristogeiton
    #1342767, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:24 am
    Gab
    #1342691, posted on June 11, 2014 at 8:30 am
    […]
    Could have fooled me Johanna amid your comparing non-Baptism to practices carried out under Islam and calling the non-Baptism “barbaric” and comparing Australia 1950s no different to the barbaric practises of Islamists today.Islam today.

    I hate to say it, but I’m with you on this one Gab. Mostly Christian Australians in the 1950?s were moral colossi compared to us today; and comparing them to Saudi Arabians in moral practice is an even bigger joke.

  26. Token

    Can Mark Scott clarify that the ABC’s dedicated support for these fraudsters is purely ideological?

    It would be interesting to see if Faine’s release of unsubstantiated defamation by Wilson will draw the cadre of ALPBC ex-staffers & wannabes into the orbit of the royal commission.

  27. Aristogeiton

    Cold-Hands
    #1342727, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:07 am
    For those who missed it on the last fred, here’s self-avowed atheist Brendan O’Neill’s take on the Tuam baby burials which offers a fair and non-sensational opinion.

    Yes, this was an excellent article. Don’t forget that Brendan O’Neil is also a Marxist.

  28. Grigory M

    For those who missed it on the last fred, here’s …

    Great link by Blogstrong to VDH in the old thread …

    Great link by Blogstrong to VDH in the old thread …

    A “new” thread – great news. Out with the old – in with the old.

  29. Gab

    Aristo, there’s no need to import this old feud onto the forum, imho. Just a suggestion to keep in mind for future. Some things are worth transferring over, some not. As I said, just imho.

  30. Grigory M

    Apologies Aristo -wouldn’t want you to feel neglected. Here you go:

    From previous fred:

  31. Armadillo

    Had to laugh at ABC 24 this morning. The leftie media has been highly critical of the Abbott monsters ‘Candia’ gaff. Here they were mixing up their words, calling people by the wrong names and having to constantly correct themselves. There is also the constant apologies for ‘live crosses’ that don’t work.

    These people are making an embarrassment of themselves on the national stage. I assume the Australia Network isn’t much better. In additional, these mob are bagging their own country on the international stage. The ABC is a national embarrassment.

    If they were held to the Abbott monsters standards, they would have been be disbanded yesterday.

  32. dragnet

    Were you, Habib, the “stupid hippy” or the “incontinent wino” in your upthread post?

  33. WTF did the Qld government do to get [Palmer] so belligerent?

    Not comply with his every whim.

  34. dover_beach

    there’s no need to import this old feud onto the forum

    Fair enough.

  35. Aristogeiton

    Grigory M
    #1342778, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:30 am
    Apologies Aristo -wouldn’t want you to feel neglected. Here you go:

    From previous fred:

    No problem. Gab has got the impression that I’m some kind of anti-Christian, Islam-loving sectarian, so I thought it best to report a rare state of agreement between the two of us.

  36. Aristogeiton

    Gab
    #1342776, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:29 am
    Aristo, there’s no need to import this old feud onto the forum, imho. Just a suggestion to keep in mind for future. Some things are worth transferring over, some not. As I said, just imho.

    Per the above.

  37. Gab

    Gab has got the impression that I’m some kind of anti-Christian, Islam-loving sectarian

    You’re confusing me with someone else.

  38. incoherent rambler

    Had to laugh at ABC 24 this morning. …

    These people are making an embarrassment of themselves on the national stage.

  39. Grigory M

    Sorry, Glib – omitted yours too. And it’s more worthy than Aristo’s -so you say. Anyhoo – just for you:

    The full article is on the previous Open Forum …

  40. johanna

    Albrechtson’s take on Palmer is spot-on.

    It just highlights the low standards of the MSM, how they keep falling for Palmer’s three-card trick over and over again. He’s like Lucy (in the Peanuts comic strip) with the football. “Honest Charlie Brown, this time I won’t take the football away.” So CB takes a big run up, she removes the football and he lands on his back – again.

    Under the buffoonery is a very nasty piece of work, who sues anyone he doesn’t like. Wendi Deng should have sued the pants off him. Unlike many of his victims, she can afford to do it.

  41. Aristogeiton

    So long as the LDP immigration thread doesn’t spill over here. That thread has jumped the shark and has been lazily doing slalom turns to the Surfaris on constant loop for 4 days now.

  42. Max

    Under the buffoonery is a very nasty piece of work, who sues anyone he doesn’t like. Wendi Deng should have sued the pants off him. Unlike many of his victims, she can afford to do it.

    Maybe its true? after all Chinese do perform a lot of spying

  43. Gab

    He’s like Lucy (in the Peanuts comic strip) with the football. “Honest Charlie Brown, this time I won’t take the football away.” So CB takes a big run up, she removes the football and he lands on his back – again.

    heh. I used to use that to describe Wayne Swan’s six years of promising a surplus. Another one was Wayne saying “This time for sure!” a la Bullwinkle.

  44. Aristogeiton

    Gab
    #1342793, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:39 am
    He’s like Lucy (in the Peanuts comic strip) with the football. “Honest Charlie Brown, this time I won’t take the football away.” So CB takes a big run up, she removes the football and he lands on his back – again.

    heh. I used to use that to describe Wayne Swan’s six years of promising a surplus. Another one was Wayne saying “This time for sure!” a la Bullwinkle.

    He always brought the hat without the surplus inside.

  45. eam

    Several days ago there was a discussion on gingernut biscuits. Around Christmas, a NZ born neighbour mentioned he loved Griffin’s gingernuts but hadn’t been able to find them in local supermarkets.

    A few days later, as I passed a Reject Shop, I noticed a stand of Griffin’s biscuits which included Gingernuts. I bought two packets and the neighbour was thrilled and I enjoyed my packet. My parents had loved the Arnott’s ones which were as hard as bricks, but had stopped buying them when the recipe changed prior to 1997 (year my Mum died). I believe the recipe has been changed again.

    I bought another packet of Griffin’s yesterday. They really are hard.

    The Griffin’s Gingernuts have a warning on the back
    “Warning: Nothing dunks like a gingernut which is why we make ’em pretty hard. So if you’ve got a wiggly tooth or two, or your fangs aren’t yours, please take care when biting, or simply dunk just a little longer.”

    I personally don’t advocate dunking, but each to his own.

  46. David

    46th [Devonshire Regt] or 46th Battalion [raised 1916 in Egypt – half of the Battalion were Gallipoli veterans]

    Now to read the posts

  47. Cold-Hands

    It is a very good article thankyou also coldhands,

    Apologies to Johanna who first linked the article somewhere on page two(?) of the old fred (I missed it the first time through).

  48. harrys on the boat

    So our media, licking the arseholes of the Labor front bench, attack Abbott for being terrible overseas but the truth of the matter is the yanks are so impressed with his skills they want to quiz him on foreign policy and relations.

    Reminds me of the Rimmer episode. Worshipped by our MSM, but the yanks’ dossier had him lower than a shit stain in Palmers jocks.

  49. johanna

    Maybe its true? after all Chinese do perform a lot of spying

    If Wendi Deng had sued him for defamation, he would have had to prove that the allegation is true. He has never provided a scrap of evidence for the claim. Indeed, it is difficult to imagine how he could prove it, even if it was true.

    He has a long track record of making wild and baseless allegations when he is in trouble about something.

  50. candy

    Not comply with his every whim.

    My theory is that Clive Palmer was always obese and picked on at school, and now he’s out for revenge.
    If he dropped about 50 kilograms he might be a different personality.

  51. johanna

    No probs, CH. And yes, it is an excellent analysis by Brendan O’Neill, who knows a lot more about Ireland than the hysteria-mongers in the MSM.

  52. nic

    heh. I used to use that to describe Wayne Swan’s six years of promising a surplus. Another one was Wayne saying “This time for sure!” a la Bullwinkle.

    Bullwinkle also used to say ‘nothing up my sleeve’.

  53. nic

    Fauxfacts headline:

    Ex-PM paid for renovations: builders

    then underneath,

    Questions of whether union money was used to pay for renovations could be answered by the words of two builders

    The cheersquad give the impression this has in fact ocurred.

  54. Rabz

    Hey, Goose – that trick never works!

  55. cohenite

    There’s one thing I wish would return from the ’70s, and that was stupid hippies being bonked on their empty heads with billy clubs and thrown in the pokey with incontinent winos. I speak from experience, such an experience may have been the beginning of my trip to Damascus.

    Was that you Habib; I was the wino.

  56. nic

    such an experience may have been the beginning of my trip to Damascus.

    Funny how saying the same these days means you are likely to get a visit from ASIO at some stage.

  57. harrys on the boat

    I don’t know why I put myself through the angst of clicking on news.com. It really is diabolical. Yesterday it was running drug dealers moll’s Nigel No Mates comment as serious news. Today its mocking Abbott for getting on with Canada’s PM. No mention of Beazley’s US praise of Abbott, just an attack on Abbott for Clintons TLS comments.

    Never Again.

  58. jupes

    Brendan O’Neill’s take on the Tuam baby burials

    Excellent article.

  59. Token

    I used to use that to describe Wayne Swan’s six years of promising a surplus. Another one was Wayne saying “This time for sure!” a la Bullwinkle.

    Goose – Australia’s first paper millionaire treasurer.

    The financial press like the AFR still is not cleaning out the Aegean stables in their writing department. It still has people who trumpeted forecasts in a budget as if they were actual delivered results.

    Along those lines, with Mathias Cormann make up for his shocking effort on the budget by placing some unbreakable accounting rules around government organisation whereby Treasurers who mislead are treated like directors which put misleading & dishonest forecasts in a propectus?

  60. Gab

    jupes
    #1342811, posted on June 11, 2014 at 10:06 am

    Brendan O’Neill’s take on the Tuam baby burials

    Excellent article.

    Wow. You’ve certainly changed your tune on the issue. Good to see sense prevail.

  61. Habib

    Dragnet, both, but fortunately not simultaneously.

  62. Token

    such an experience may have been the beginning of my trip to Damascus.

    I trust you didn’t see Snowcone “overturning cars” during those days…

    I happy to say I didn’t see Mr credibility Jones was at it again on Q&A.

    After Arrernte-Alyawarra elder Rosalie Kunoth-Monks’s appearance on ABC1’s Q&A onMonday, Chris Graham in New Matilda yesterday:

    WHAT Kunoth-Monks said next was truly staggering, but only if you know the backstory. “We were all pedophiles. Look at Mutitjulu. That was a lie. Absolute lie,” she said. Indeed it was. But what was so stunning about it was that sitting right next to Kunoth-Monks was one of the chief perpetrators — and subsequent defenders — of that “lie”. For the uninitiated, Tony Jones was once the host of ABC Lateline, a late-night ABC current affairs program that broadcast the story ­Kunoth-Monks is specifically referring to. That story was aired on June 21, 2006, and entitled “Sexual slavery reported in indigenous community”. It alleged that senior men in Mutitjulu had created an environment where children were being held as “sex slaves”, and where an elderly man was able to prey on children with impunity, courtesy of his family connections … Jones was the presenter of it, one of the interviewers in it and, later, its chief defender. Yet last night, when Kunoth-Months attacked it, Jones didn’t bat an eyelid. He didn’t skip a beat. He didn’t even blush.

    No substance. No ticker. What does he care? He gets a wholloping $350k package from taxpayers.

  63. Andore Jr.

    Con the Fruiterer being heard at the union commission…

  64. Andore Jr.

    Oh, his name is Con

  65. Habib

    Nic, not if you’re doing it in as ASLAV doing forward air control.

  66. Token

    Look what the Sun King is wasting his time on:

    THE White House has threatened to veto a House bill that would allow some schools to opt out of healthier meal standards.

    The GOP spending bill would allow schools to waive the school lunch and breakfast standards championed by first lady Michelle Obama for the next school year if they lost money on meal programs over a six-month period.

    …Some school nutrition directors have lobbied for a break, saying the rules have proved to be costly and restrictive.

    The schools pushing for changes say limits on sodium and requirements for more whole grains are particularly challenging, while some school officials say kids are throwing away fruits and vegetables.

    Republicans have said the standards are overreach.

    One hopes the kids wasting taxpayers dollars learn something other than not to value things which are provided for free.

  67. nic

    The words ‘Habib’ and ‘road to Damascus’ wont be flagged in any monitoring at all. Nothing to worry about 🙂

  68. H B Bear

    Is this the Greek version of Fawlty Towers?

    We are Orkopoulos men.

  69. Aaron

    The stupid is strong with Mark Kenny in the Fairfax Press.

    The decision to keep him on will reflect well on a government that has presented a somewhat more partisan approach to political appointments than is generally liked by voters. Mr Minchin, for example, was appointed consul-general after former Labor state premier Steve Bracks was stripped of the role as soon as the Coalition won the September election.

    Bracks was warned before the election that he should not campaign against the Coalition because that would make his position untenable if the Coalition were to win the election. But Bracks went ahead and campaigned for Labor around Victoria and then expected he be allowed to continue to represent a government overseas that he campaigned against.

  70. Dr Faustus

    Habib: It certainly seems that ABC 612’s Steve Austin is a massive fan of the Fat Bastard.

    Odd that he preferred to get Alex Douglas (PUP Queensland parliament) to dig up old dirt on the Joh era rather than explain why Douglas found the need last week to table WA Supreme Court documents relating to Palmer’s iron ore project in the Pilbara.

  71. H B Bear

    The stupid is strong with Mark Kenny in the Fairfax Press.

  72. Senile Old Guy

    One hopes the kids wasting taxpayers dollars learn something other than not to value things which are provided for free.

    Actually, I hope — but do not expect — that Obama stops trying to nanny state everything. In this case, it is Michelle Obama dictating what every public school in the US must serve the kids for breakfast and lunch. The kids are not eating it, because they don’t like it. Do I blame them? No.

  73. Notafan

    Stupid or deliberate misrepresentation?
    Bracks chose to campaign thinking Bishop wouldn’t act on her warning but she did.

  74. johanna

    Token, the same idiocy is creeping into Australian schools, preschools and child care centres.

    Some of them have rules about the composition of food brought from home, including how the food is packaged (no plastic wrap, no prepackaged snacks etc). School canteens are being taken over by health fanatics, so no cakes, no lollies, no chips, no soft drinks etc. That deadshit Jamie Oliver is regarded as a hero, even though his well-publicised foray into school food in the UK was a complete failure after the cameras stopped rolling.

    It’s depressing.

  75. Andore Jr.

    “I go to Slaters Gordon and ask for Julias Gillard”

    Love it!

  76. Grigory M

    Con Spyridis is suffering from dementia: “I couldn’t remember – you know?

  77. nic

    I thought Dementia was his missus?

  78. harrys on the boat

    Has Rabz left for Brazil?

  79. Token

    The kids are not eating it, because they don’t like it. Do I blame them? No.

    Exactly why I highlighted the article. Also see this “furor” as a distraction from this clusterf**k of Gillardian level stupidity:

    Obama dodges blame for Bergdahl

  80. Token

    Token, the same idiocy is creeping into Australian schools, preschools and child care centres.

    Oh my, we see it every day with regard to my 2 tykes. The poor pre-school administrators in the very professional centre our kids attend are now working 10-14 hour days to keep up with the complience work.

  81. nic

    no plastic wrap?
    I have to ask the question, why? Its not as if the kids will eat it.

  82. Grigory M

    I thought Dementia was his missus?

    No, nic – that was Incontinentia – Incontinentia Buttocks.

  83. johanna

    nic, because plastic is bad, m’kay? And as well as being bad for Da Environment, it also (according to these nutcases) leaches into food and causes cancer.

    There’s a new “health fact” for you to ponder on. Not that they have any evidence, apart from spurious claims from the outer limits of food fanatic sites on the net.

  84. Grigory M

    Plastic wrap is a suffocation risk.

  85. H B Bear

    Hem drops Gillard straight in it.

  86. philip j. fry

    Melbourne ABC radio this morning, before the Bluetooth cut in and saved me, Jon Faine was handwringing about how there appeared to be a complete lack of much needed Government Regulation on all the apartments being built in the city area.

    They apparently don’t meet his standards as “liveable” sized properties.

    The on-the-line caller echoed his remarks, bewailing the future will be bereft of true heritage value in Melbourne, she sounded like Mrs Bucket (boo’kay)

  87. Token

    I read the Steyn article on the song “Georgia on my Mind” across the weekend. It is a masterpiece.

    Packed in with so many other compelling stories was this amazing fact on how tough the childhood of Ray Charles really was:

    Ray Charles had Georgia all around. His father had already split, leaving his mother in absolute grinding poverty. “Even the blacks looked down on us,” as Charles once told me. Eventually they moved to Florida, where his mother, barely 30, died in her sleep one night, and left her 14-year old son sans mother, father, brother – and blind. He could see until he was seven. And he had two strong visual memories of the world before darkness descended: one was of the neighbor who ran the local store teaching him the piano keys; the other was of playing with his younger brother in the yard and watching him drown in the wash tub. Instead of immediately running and getting his mom, Ray tried to pull his brother out, and, by the time he realized that, with all the waterlogged clothes, his kid brother was too heavy, and he’d have to go get help, it was too late.

  88. Token

    Jon Faine was handwringing about how there appeared to be a complete lack of much needed Government Regulation on all the apartments being built in the city area.

    The old lefty 2 step. Demand more appartment living in compact spaces to stop the suburban sprawl, then manufacture a crisis to demand more government about the appartments which are built as a result.

  89. lotocoti

    Plastic wrap is a suffocation risk.

    That’s why the safe-word is so important if your interests lie in that milieu.

  90. …the Obama administration was “intrigued” by Tony Abbott’s accomplishments in Asia and would now be looking to him to become their man in the region…

    Sort of like being Obama’s “Deputy Sheriff”?

    Oh boy o boyo boyo boy, will the left/media turn into screeching harpies over this! …. …… …….. ….. …..

  91. Rudiau

    Earthquake: The Cantor Story That Caught The Political World By Surprise.


    But as the results began to stream in, the entire political world watched with utter shock: the sitting Majority Leader was being deposed by a political novice economics professor with no money.

    The story about how David Brat pulled off such a monumental surprise win starts, and almost ends, with immigration. Throughout the campaign, Brat was relentless in his attacks on Cantor over the issue. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of illegal alien children were streaming across the border, creating a border security crisis.

    In the meantime, the premature obituaries of the Tea Party’s political prowess are as dead as Eric Cantor’s political career.

    Eric Cantor succumbs to tea party challenger Tuesday

    “Eric Cantor’s loss tonight is an apocalyptic moment for the GOP establishment,” said L. Brent Bozell, chairman of ForAmerica, a conservative group that targeted Cantor throughout the primary. “The grassroots is in revolt and marching.”

  92. Grigory M

    Is this Gillard’s QC now asking questions of Hems?

  93. Token

    There’s a new axis of evil in town:

    Ottawa (AFP) – Canada and Australia’s conservative prime ministers said Monday economic concerns trump climate action, with Ottawa’s Stephen Harper insisting any nation claiming otherwise is lying.

    Both leaders have faced increased criticism over their climate policies after US President Barack Obama last week unveiled the first major regulations to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions in the United States.

    “Increased criticism”? Why, yes, The Guardian’s mad at them:

    Sort of like being Obama’s “Deputy Sheriff”?

    That’s not how the leftards are seeing it. I note Mark Steyn has picked up Tim Blair’s point:

    There’s a new axis of evil in town:

    Ottawa (AFP) – Canada and Australia’s conservative prime ministers said Monday economic concerns trump climate action, with Ottawa’s Stephen Harper insisting any nation claiming otherwise is lying.

    Both leaders have faced increased criticism over their climate policies after US President Barack Obama last week unveiled the first major regulations to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions in the United States.

    “Increased criticism”? Why, yes, The Guardian’s mad at them:

    Climate Unity Dealt Blow As Australia And Canada Take Issue With US Stance

    As we saw during the Bush years, The Guardian is well-known for demanding that medium-rank powers immediately fall into line with whatever America does.

  94. goatjam

    “My question, do ABC presenters (no one in particular and I would not suggest wrongdoing ) pay for their own renovations?”

    I often wondered that while I watched in awe as Josh Byrne recreated the “Hanging Gardens Of Babylon” in his own backyard on “Gardening Australia” including transplanting 5 metre high mature trees (which cost a fortune) and paving/decking/fencing every possible square inch using the best materials money can buy.

    He’s either independently wealthy or has an awesome taxpayer provided expense account.

  95. Grigory M

    Plastic wrap is a suffocation risk.

    That’s why the safe-word is so important if your interests lie in that milieu.

    Knew I should have worded it “Plastic wrap is a suffocation risk for children” – but, you knew I meant that. I’ve seen Bad Boy Bubby and the closing scenes of House of Sand and Fog – but the milieu with which you seem acquainted is foreign to me.

  96. Rudiau

    As we saw during the Bush years, The Guardian is well-known for demanding that medium-rank powers immediately fall into line with whatever America does.

    But they fail to mention America’s stance on CC is not via Congress but executive order enforced by the EPA.

  97. Token

    “My question, do ABC presenters (no one in particular and I would not suggest wrongdoing ) pay for their own renovations?”

    Wasn’t that the plot of an episode of Frontline?

  98. johanna

    Excellent article at the Forbes link, dot.

  99. A Lurker

    “My question, do ABC presenters (no one in particular and I would not suggest wrongdoing ) pay for their own renovations?”

    Perhaps it came out of a slush fund?? 😉

  100. .

    Johanna

    If someone hasn’t read those two articles on the issue, I’d almost consider them ignorant. They really blow away a lot of the myths.

    It should be mentioned too that antibiotics didn’t exist until sometime in WWII and the Battle of the Atlantic and 1930s trade war with Britain really hit Ireland hard economically.

  101. cuckoo

    Thanks to all who posted the O’Neill story on the Tuam babies-in-the-ditch BS. It stank from the get-go. A few years ago, similar claims about human remains were made about an orphanage on Guernsey, which got wide, screaming-headline coverage. When a ‘skull fragment’ later turned out to be a piece of coconut shell, this was published on p. 38.

  102. Senile Old Guy

    That deadshit Jamie Oliver is regarded as a hero, even though his well-publicised foray into school food in the UK was a complete failure after the cameras stopped rolling.

    Nope. It was a complete failure even before the cameras stopped rolling.

  103. Rudiau

    It’s the old push factor.
    Caught us by surprise I tells ya.

    White House admits Border Crisis is ‘Larger than We Anticipated’

    “It is abundantly clear that the reason for the uptick …has to do with what’s going on in Central American countries,” said an administration official on the conference call. “The federal government prepared for this trend,” an official said, “but it was larger than we had anticipated.”

  104. Token

    Nope. It was a complete failure even before the cameras stopped rolling.

    The US series was great. You could really see how the left had turned the process of feeding kids into a ghastly bureaucratic process where the original goal of feeding poor kids nutricious food was abandoned.

    Funnily enough, in “backward” and very poor West Virginia some attitudes did change. In LA he was destroyed by the D’rat machine.

  105. .

    From the glory days of rugby league, before stupid rules and stupid suits with absurd media rules:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXIzp0ok24I&feature=kp

    1.:24…a real scrum! It would even put a union scrum to shame these days!

    1989 Tina Turner Rugby League promo

    “The original Tina Turner rugby league promo from 1989. Based around the theme What You Get Is What You See it features Cliff Lyons, Steve Roach, Brett Kenny and Noel Cleal.”

  106. Aaron

    I often wondered that while I watched in awe as Josh Byrne recreated the “Hanging Gardens Of Babylon” in his own backyard on “Gardening Australia” including transplanting 5 metre high mature trees (which cost a fortune) and paving/decking/fencing every possible square inch using the best materials money can buy.

    I’ve wondered the same thing. They seem to spend sections of each episode landscaping their own backyards presumably using taxpayer dollars. If the ABC is going to bleed taxpayers in this way it should at least be performed in public gardens where everyone can enjoy it if they wish to… Or just shut down the ABC completely.

  107. dover_beach

    Eric Cantor succumbs to tea party challenger Tuesday

    Deo gratias. Wonderful news. Well done to all concerned.

  108. Is this Gillard’s QC now asking questions of Hems?

    Yes, that was Clelland (Neil, I believe). His incompetent nitpicking helped confirm Hem’s account rather than cast any doubt.

  109. johanna

    Nope. It was a complete failure even before the cameras stopped rolling.

    I stand corrected, SOG.

    Oliver is adored by the luvvies, and no-one ever called him out on blatant lies like that children were going to have shorter lifespans than their parents because of the food they ate at school. He is in my top 10 5 loathed TV “personalities”.

  110. Senile Old Guy

    Oliver is adored by the luvvies, and no-one ever called him out on blatant lies like that children were going to have shorter lifespans than their parents because of the food they ate at school. He is in my top 10 5 loathed TV “personalities”.

    Spot on.

  111. jupes

    “It is abundantly clear that the reason for the uptick …has to do with what’s going on in Central American countries,”

    Oh so it’s push factors. Nothing to do with sugar on the table.

    Where have I heard that before?

  112. C.L.

    You know what I’m sick of?

    Stuff you buy that’s nearly impossible to unwrap.

    What the hell?

  113. harrys on the boat

    Jamie Oliver, or as to refer to him by his real name, The Lisping Fish Lipped Mockney Twat

  114. harrys on the boat

    Condoms, CL??

  115. C.L.

    Obama allows disease and child rape to boost Democrat membership:

    Illegals flagging down border patrol to gain entry to USA…
    Central American newspapers tout Obama amnesty program…
    CONDITIONS DETERIORATE AT AZ SHELTER…
    Kids Complaining Burritos Making Them Sick…
    Chicken pox, staph infection fears…
    Widespread sexual activity…
    Feds violating child abuse laws?
    Valerie Jarrett in secret meetings with activists…
    PAPER: Influx ‘threatens to transform nation’…

    /DRUDGE

  116. C.L.

    Today in Liberal Idiot History…:

    “The growth of the Internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in ‘Metcalfe’s law’ — which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants — becomes apparent: most people have nothing to say to each other! By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.”

    – Paul Krugman

  117. Rudiau

    Obama allows disease and child rape to boost Democrat membership:

    Again, by fiat.

  118. H B Bear

    Aaron at 11.30am – Josh Byrne is just another example of the ‘conflict of interest’ (for want of a better term) faced by any number of TV presenters.

    Byrne has a private landscaping business, which as principal he receives hours of taxpayer funded publicity annually courtesy of Gardening Australia. Indeed having a ‘celebrity gardner’ might be seen as a selling point when tendering or quoting for jobs.

    Instead of using ALPBC resources and employees, Aunty routinely buys programs from current and former employee’s production companies, Red Kerry’s series of re-hashed interviews with Keating is a prime example. The Chaser ‘Boys’ episode shows the ALPBC doesn’t even exercise editorial control over these programs.

    The grand prize of course goes to Alan Kohler, the ALPBC business talking head, who managed to flog his left-leaning, anti-business business website to News for $20m.

    Commercial TV also allows employees to piggy-back private work off the back of their public profiles. Of course, unlike the ALPBC as wholly owned private businesses, this is a matter between employer-employee.

  119. Token

    Oh so it’s push factors. Nothing to do with sugar on the table.

    Where have I heard that before?

    Where else have you heard of policies which are specifically designed to lure children into danger?

    A massive surge of illegal immigrants is underway, with newly leaked photos revealing hundreds of immigrant children packed like sardines in detention centers.

    Illegal immigrant minors are crossing into the U.S., and border patrol is overwhelmed and unable to care for them. The government has been putting them on buses and “dumping” them on street corners in cities like Phoenix, Ariz. Military bases in Texas, California and Oklahoma are also being used to house them.

    …The problem could reportedly go from bad to worse. Officials say 6,560 unaccompanied minor aliens crossed the border in 2011. This year, it’s estimated that the number will jump to more than 90,000.

    Unlike Mexican citizens, illegals from Central America can’t be sent home; they must be turned over to HHS and are released to family and friends.

    “This is a crisis of the federal government’s creation, and the fact that the border remains unsecure – now apparently intentionally – while this operation continues full-steam ahead is deplorable,” Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said in a statement.

    When will the butchers bill of children lost on the way be tallied up?

  120. C.L.

    90,000 children abroad in the US, vulnerable to molestation, exploitation and death?

    But wait: Irish NUNS!

  121. Demosthenes

    “the David who defeated Goliath”

    I found out recently that the millennia-long understanding of this episode is backwards. David had advantages over Goliath, not the other way around. Goliath was half-blind from acromelagy. David had a ranged weapon with the stopping power of a modern pistol.

  122. Grigory M

    Yes, that was Clelland (Neil, I believe).

    Thanks, Dedders.

  123. Neil Clelland QC (Julia Gillard’s counsel) by asking questions about investigations by Victoria Police proves that he knows of the investigation of Julia Gillard by Victoria Police. Strange that. Gillard has been pretending for some time that she knows of no investigation.

  124. Aristogeiton

    Holy crap! Joe Goodacre is over on the “Fairfax ‘forgets’ to declare self-interest” thread arguing that m0nty is an expert on economics!

  125. Infidel Tiger

    You know what I’m sick of?

    Stuff you buy that’s nearly impossible to unwrap.

    What the hell?

    Razor blades and batteries the biggest offenders.

  126. .

    Mein gott Aristo.

    He’s fucking desperate isn’t he?

  127. nic

    BTW, why are razor blades so fricken expensive?

  128. harrys on the boat

    Not just economics, m0nty was an a-grade political analyser.

  129. Aristogeiton

    Demosthenes
    #1342961, posted on June 11, 2014 at 12:09 pm
    “the David who defeated Goliath”

    I found out recently that the millennia-long understanding of this episode is backwards. David had advantages over Goliath, not the other way around. Goliath was half-blind from acromelagy. David had a ranged weapon with the stopping power of a modern pistol.

    Specialist slinger mercenaries were highly-prized and deadly infantry troops in ancient Greece. Skilled practitioners came from Arcarnania, Malis, Elis, Olynthus, Baelares and Rhodos.

  130. .

    Even the Romans had them as auxiliaries.

    I never knew their actual firepower. Actually amazing.

  131. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1342971, posted on June 11, 2014 at 12:18 pm
    Mein gott Aristo.

    He’s fucking desperate isn’t he?

    Yeah. He jumped the shark in that thread. He thinks Ergas and Creighton are imbeciles, and substitutes instead m0nty’s analysis (and his own, of course; B.Comm (Acctg), dual; no disrespect meant to holders of Accountancy degrees).

  132. Geriatric Mayfly

    CL Take note of Larry David trying to retrieve a sat-nav from its plastic and cardboard prison.

  133. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1342978, posted on June 11, 2014 at 12:27 pm
    Even the Romans had them as auxiliaries.

    I never knew their actual firepower. Actually amazing.

    Some of he smartass pricks used to cast the lead shot with ????? (catch) written on them.

  134. John of Perth

    Unlike Mexican citizens, illegals from Central America can’t be sent home; they must be turned over to HHS and are released to family and friends.

    Imagine the additional social problem this would be if the ethnic group happened to be Muslims and not by enlarge conservative, family orientated, hard working Catholics.

    I wonder how they will hide the huge welfare burden cost this would entail or would it remain underestimated due to the local church/community pressure this would create with the current high unemployment and welfare dependence that already exists in these areas.

    These mass migrations make it look like a precursor to an eventual great depression and massive social upheaval. All they need now is the ability to vote and the next President would be a Hispanic (could be a good thing)

  135. Aristogeiton

    I should say “catch!”, as it is in the imperative.

  136. All they need now is the ability to vote and the next President would be a Hispanic (could be a good thing)

    Couldn’t possibly be any worse than what they’ve got. And just might be an ass-kicker for the forces of good.

    At some point the USA is going to have to face the problem of the southern border:
    Political control stops at the current border.
    Citizenship & other border controls will either have to be changed to include at least everybody north of the Panama Canal, or
    The USA will have to get a whole lot more hard-assed about they way they police the existing border.

  137. Token

    Even the Romans had them as auxiliaries.

    I never knew their actual firepower. Actually amazing.

    The cost of ammo on those guys is nothing compare to archers. They could stay armed all day on most battle fields. They seem to have performed as snipers / light infantry squirmishers did in gunpowder days.

  138. Token

    BTW, why are razor blades so fricken expensive?

    Have you seen this alternative? Direct order.

  139. Snoopy

    BTW, why are razor blades so fricken expensive?

    I moved to Aldi’s house brand years ago.

  140. nic

    Thanks Token. The strange thing is no matter where in the world I am, the multinational brand I prefer, is roughly the same price everywhere.

  141. Fisky

    The story about how David Brat pulled off such a monumental surprise win starts, and almost ends, with immigration. Throughout the campaign, Brat was relentless in his attacks on Cantor over the issue. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of illegal alien children were streaming across the border, creating a border security crisis.

    It’s good to see the Tea Party regaining their focus. The establishment are trying to engineer a permanent Democratic majority through amnesty, and unsurprisingly a lot of Republican rank and file are unhappy with this.

  142. David

    Goliath was half-blind from acromelagy

    I thought medical files were supposed to be confidential. 🙂

  143. John of Perth

    The USA will have to get a whole lot more hard-assed about they way they police the existing border.

    A organised funded citizen’s militia of locals would work (an be an inexpensive option). But Obama’s hell bent on taking the right to bear arms away while militarising the police as an army, which is very dangerous and leads to a form of communist/police state repression against any form of legitimate descent against Government tyranny.

  144. Uh oh

    “I moved to Aldi’s house brand years ago.”

    Me too Snoopy. Half the price and just as good as the competition.

  145. dover_beach

    I never knew their actual firepower. Actually amazing.

    Shorter range than archers generally though, they worked in looser formation, and were less accurate, but they were deadlier and, like token says, they could always use stones on the ground once they had exhausted their ammo.

  146. Token

    The USA will have to get a whole lot more hard-assed about they way they police the existing border.

    Its been a few years since this SCOTUS ruling, so plenty of time for the Obama admin to act in direct violation to its powers, but it is worth noting how Obama’s admin tried to stop states from protecting the borders once it implemented policies to make it easy for illegal immigrants to flood in:

    Today’s Supreme Court decision upholding the major provision of Arizona’s S.B. 1070 immigration law is a strong rebuke of the Obama Administration.

    The Administration had argued that its own immigration enforcement priorities should be treated as controlling law—that is, above the determinations of both Congress and Arizona. But the Court’s decision means that the President must go through Congress if he wishes to impede the states’ ability to enforce immigration laws within their borders.

    This was all happening while the Liars Party & Greens were luring economic migrants from South Asia (with the cost of between 1,200 to 4,000 lives).

  147. .

    The Brat!

    Even if I don’t get the anti immigration stance I think it is great the Tea Party is still making waves.

    The damage the beltway has done with spending, tax and regulation is shocking.

    The US simply cannot keep on spending recklessly.

  148. Bear Necessities

    In the Nevada, US party primaries, you can choose “None of these candidates”. I wonder how high it would be in Australia if we were given the option?

  149. Uh oh

    Looks like Iraq is falling into a heap again, and once again the Yanks have left a shipload of weapons behind for the bad guys to stock-up on. I do like the Americans but as the old song goes – “when will they ever learn, oh when will they ever learn”

  150. Grigory M

    why are razor blades so fricken expensive?

    Not so much of a problem for us bearded gentry – whether full beard or goatee, there is less need to mow. The savings are enormous – in both time and money 🙂

  151. John of Perth

    I would not surprise me if your would see the highest vote turnout for a third party candidate in the last 100 years next presidential election due the the decisive nature of the Democrats and Rino’s in power. Popularism has its benefits to make social changes.

    The parallels between the incompetence of Gillard and Obummer are striking. I don’t think he could do a better job in destroying the economy, banking system, social fabric and economy , while funding more terrorism and US engagement around the world than ever. He has yet to hit his personal bests and a complacent media will ensure this.

  152. John of Perth

    opps one to many economy

  153. nic

    Not so much of a problem for us bearded gentry

    Goes with the flannie no doubt 🙂

  154. C.L.

    I’ve always thought the archery and battle scenes in Gladiator were exceptional.

    It must have been terrifying to see and hear (and, um, feel) thousands of arrows descending on your position.

  155. tomix


    In the Nevada, US party primaries, you can choose “None of these candidates”. I wonder how high it would be in Australia if we were given the option?

    That’s the Primary. It might make congressional elections interesting if adopted there.

  156. Anne

    Beards are just as attractive on women as they are on men.

  157. David

    It must have been terrifying to see and hear (and, um, feel) thousands of arrows descending on your position

    Then upscale the range and the killing efficiency of a Roman era bow to that of the English Longbow and try and imagine the problems for the French at Agincourt and Cressy.

  158. dover_beach

    Just finished the Forbes and Journal article on Taum. Quite good. Have a dip through the comments following the latter, oh dear, frightening stuff.

  159. Grigory M

    Goes with the flannie no doubt 🙂

    Both the beard and the flannie provide warmth on the beach or rocks while waiting for the fish to bite 🙂

  160. johanna

    Barry Jones has a beard. It doubles as a serviette when he is eating.

    I rest my case.

  161. Robert Blair

    Dot:

    Even if I don’t get the anti immigration stance

    Well you have that in common with the majority of Libertarians. The “purer” (harder?) the Libertarian, the stronger the “open borders” thinking is. Well, that’s my take anyway.

    Knowing that you are easily persuaded Dot, let me mention a few things you should look at:

    (a) Read “The Camp of the Saints”. OK, you can get the Cliff’s notes version here: Camp of the Saints

    (b) Travel in Southern or Central America, and California OR South/Central Asia and Central England. If you have not already.

    (c) “Race is not Culture”. True or False?

    (d) “All cultures are not equal, indeed some are very far from equal”. True or False/

    (e) In a heavily culture-determined manner, much movement of peoples to Anglosphere countries is not immigration, but colonization. See Sharia and La Raza.

  162. C.L.

    Usually these blame-the-CEO stories are just Marxist rubbish.

    However …

    Critics of Australia Post’s decision to sack 900 administration staff are questioning the multi-million-dollar salary awarded to the company’s managing director Ahmed Fahour.

    Mr Fahour – a former CEO of NAB and Citigroup – was paid $4.8 million last year as chief executive officer and managing director of Australia Post, which is 100 per cent Government-owned.

    In contrast, the head of the US Postal Service was paid $550,000 in 2013, despite running a company with 19 times more staff and 11 times the revenue.

    The head of France’s postal service, La Poste, was paid $1.06 million for running a service with 268,000 employees.

    The highest paid public servant in Australia is the Secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, Ian Watt, who earns more than $800,000 per year.

    Why the hell is this bozo paid so much?

    Critics of Australia Post’s decision to sack 900 staff questioning CEO Ahmed Fahour’s $4.8 million salary.

  163. johanna

    Speaking of which, I am watching an early (pre-Bond) Sean Connery movie on TV. Even as a young man, he had a hairy back. Ugh.

    Would never be shown in today’s movies.

  164. C.L.

    There was a flannelette Commodore doing circle work on Bogan Hunters last week.

  165. Joe Goodacre is over on the “Fairfax ‘forgets’ to declare self-interest” thread arguing that m0nty is an expert on economics!

    Cover blown. Joe Goodacre is Monty.

    QED.

  166. Speaking of which, I am watching an early (pre-Bond) Sean Connery movie on TV. Even as a young man, he had a hairy back. Ugh.

    Would never be shown in today’s movies.

    I don’t mind body hair on men, even on the back, if they’re sufficiently dishy.

  167. Bill

    Slingshot doesn’t sound effective to me, unless it hit you in the throat or head. A helmet would prevent that. Yew Longbows were the best pre-gunpowder weapon.

  168. Aristogeiton

    johanna
    #1343079, posted on June 11, 2014 at 1:54 pm
    Speaking of which, I am watching an early (pre-Bond) Sean Connery movie on TV. Even as a young man, he had a hairy back. Ugh.

    Would never be shown in today’s movies.

    Connery was one of the most manly presences on screen in the modern age, back hair or no. Take that back!

    P.S: have you ever seen the sci-fi re-make of ‘High Noon’, called ‘Outland’ from 1981? It’s excellent!

  169. Would never be shown in today’s movies.

    And this is such a shame. I remember thinking the same thing recently when I was watching The Godfather and saw Sonny Corleone in his singlet, with uber-hairy back. It was completely in character for ethnicity, time and place.

    I am sure I have said this before, but when I were a lass, I used to enjoy watching The Winners on Sunday evenings, and the VFL was in those days entirely populated by male carpets. The welcome mat was well and truly out there in those days.

  170. Aristogeiton

    Bill
    #1343083, posted on June 11, 2014 at 1:58 pm
    Slingshot doesn’t sound effective to me, unless it hit you in the throat or head. A helmet would prevent that. Yew Longbows were the best pre-gunpowder weapon.

    Not so. See above. Skilled slingers were deadly.

  171. Demosthenes

    Cantor outspent Brat 5-to-1, and still lost. That’s heartening. The corrosive effect of America’s big-money politics isn’t complete, thank goodness.

    Interestingly, both Republican and Democrat candidates are now teachers from the same small college.

  172. Aristogeiton

    Philippa Martyr
    #1343082, posted on June 11, 2014 at 1:56 pm
    […]
    I don’t mind body hair on men, even on the back, if they’re sufficiently dishy.

    Sean Connery just demonstrates how beta most of the current crop of Hollywood masculine icons are.

  173. calli

    Even as a young man, he had a hairy back. Ugh.

    And a hairy chest, too. But still very scrummy.

    I’m glad this thread has headed in the right direction at last.

  174. Ant

    Good news on Eric Cantor getting shafted by Virginian voters in his district’s primary.

    In fact, it’s a stupdenously magnificent upset – and a landslide at that. He spent millions on his campaign rubbishing his main Republican rival compared to the pittance Brat was able to raise and yet the incumbent still fell short.

    Cantor, like his house colleague Boehner and senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, are such gutless and self interested fools who pretend that the congressional Democrats and the Obama administration are people who can be negotiated with in a reasonable way, as they accelerate the dismantling of American society through “fundamental transformation” – be it domestically or internationally – while labelling their idiot opponents in congress as “woman haters” and “racists” and getting away with it through their sychophantic lapdogs in the liberal media.

    And, aside from the Obama-inflicted illegal immigration disaster on the country’s southern border, I wonder how much influence the scandalous Bergdahl ‘deal’ had on this result. The voting turnout was quite remarkable.

    I hope ‘average’ American voters are beginning to understand the deep peril their nation is in; how much of a disaster Obama’s victory in 2012 really was. I hope that they are awake to the fact that the ‘inside the beltway’ Republicans are largely impotent and useless and oblivious to the hard choices Washington must make to straighted it all out.

    I can only pray that this is a watershed moment; that it gives pause to the likes of Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio who think Obama and the Democrats have the country’s best interests at heart, while giving impetus to the likes of Ted Cruz to crush Hilary Clinton in 2016.

  175. Aristogeiton

    calli
    #1343090, posted on June 11, 2014 at 2:03 pm
    Even as a young man, he had a hairy back. Ugh.

    And a hairy chest, too. But still very scrummy.

    I’m glad this thread has headed in the right direction at last

    .

    But what about this? That’s a manly man.

  176. Anne

    Thanks for that Calli. Scrumptious indeed.

    Too much silly man-scraping going on these days.

    A man should shave his face and wash his hair daily, keep the nails clean and short and leave the rest alone.

  177. johanna

    Robert Blair, I agree. Pretty much the only justification for the existence of a nation is to define borders, protect them, and to regulate (to a limited extent) what goes on inside them. I am mystified as to what libertarianism has to do with trashing the concept of borders. That is anarchy, not libertarianism.

    The EU is a great example. They have lots of problems with both criminals and just plain poor people gravitating to where the wages and social welfare are most attractive within the EU. Taxpayers in the wealthier countries are being slugged, and workers are having their wages undercut. Hence the rise of UKIP.

    But the bigger problem is that the EU is struggling to defend its own borders against tens, even hundreds, of thousands of hopefuls from impoverished Africa. Even relatively poor EU countries offer a better life than where they come from.

    Border control is not just an abstraction in a debate about political theory.

  178. Aristogeiton

    Anne
    #1343093, posted on June 11, 2014 at 2:09 pm
    […]
    A man should shave his face and wash his hair daily, keep the nails clean and short and leave the rest alone.

  179. Robert Blair

    C.L.:

    I’ve always thought the archery and battle scenes in Gladiator were exceptional

    Well, I’ve always been very disappointed in Hollywood depictions of battle generally, and ancient battle in particular.

    As a young man I read an awful lot of Ancient History, both by modern historians, and ancient historians (mostly in translation tho).

    Victor Davis Hanson in particular has made a special study of Ancient battle and war. Xenophon’s Anabasis is an excellent first-hand look at the issue.

    Never have I seen in a Hollywood a realistic depiction of a phalanx, or a battle-arrayed Legion, or seen the fast, precise formation maneuvers practiced by the Greeks and Romans.

    Nor, on an Ancient Roman or Greek battlefield, would you hear the girly screeching that all the Hollywood actors feel they must emit.
    A charge could include a full-throated roar, I imagine something like a 10,000 man haka. But not always. Xenophons 10,000 scattered a Persion army with a practice charge, in silence. 10,000 heavily armed hoplites charging in precision formation is (a) loud, and (b) scary if they are headed in your direction.
    Actual battle was done in grim silence, other than the screams of the wounded. No point wasting your breath when there was butchery to be done.

    For a control reference: have you ever seen a Hollywood movie plane crash where every on the plane was not screeching and sobbing? No, you haven’t.
    But, in all the plane crashes where we know what happened (ie, the crash was averted, or there were survivors) we discover that the plane went down in grim silence.

  180. dover_beach

    Slingshot doesn’t sound effective to me, unless it hit you in the throat or head. A helmet would prevent that. Yew Longbows were the best pre-gunpowder weapon.

    The shot could penetrate the armor of the day. BTW, the Mongol or Turk composite bow is better the Yew longbow.

  181. Anne

    Oh Aristo, that’s a sad little man child….

    Miranda Kerr was wasted on such a girly man.

  182. twostix

    In contrast, the head of the US Postal Service was paid $550,000 in 2013, despite running a company with 19 times more staff and 11 times the revenue.

    The head of France’s postal service, La Poste, was paid $1.06 million for running a service with 268,000 employees.

    So can we put ABC employees down as readers of Catallaxy Files too then?

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2014/06/10/how-much-is-ahmed-fahour-getting/

  183. Notafan

    And there are reports 600,000 are massing in north Africa to make the trip to Europe. TV has shown the poor a world that even twenty years ago they did not know existed.

  184. Rudiau

    Dear Gods of Sanity, please arrange for about a kabillion of these billboards across Canada and America…

    Billboard company rejects accusations of political bias

    h/t Al in Cranbrook via SDA

  185. calli

    It must have hurt getting that wee tattoo, though, unless it’s a stick on.

  186. calli

    All this talk of longbows and manly men…

    Here’s one in tights,

  187. johanna

    Heh. I agree that the young Sean Connery was scrumptious, even with the back hair. And the chest hair was very much part of the appeal.

    But we all have our preferences. And back hair, and Barry Jones type beards, are not mine.

    I rarely watched The Simpsons – not my cup of tea. But I did catch an episode where Homer finished up his morning shave with depilating the tufts on top of his shoulders. Good on ya Homer, I thought.

    And yeah, this thread is finally on track. 🙂

    Seriously, thanks to those who have been monitoring the unions RC. Any updates?

  188. Robert Blair

    Johanna:

    I am mystified as to what libertarianism has to do with trashing the concept of borders

    Thanks Johanna.

    I do know why Libertarians prefer open borders, and it makes sense. When one considers the freedom to travel and emigrate (and all sorts of other freedoms BTW) enjoyed by the Victorians it makes sense as a policy.

    That was then. The world is a much harsher place now, and we are not looking at “immigration” as it is generally understood – we are looking at colonisation and Camp of the Saints style swamping (albeit, fitfully).

  189. Aristogeiton

    Holy crap. Joe G has lost the plot! See comment here, et seq.

  190. Ros

    The forbes article refers to the denial of anesthesia to unmarried mothers. It was n’t just the Catholic church, or Ireland. My Mum had a beef against the Salvation Army unmarried mothers’ home (Adelaide) which at least in the forties denied chloroform for the unmarried. They also catered for public, married mums who were allowed to be given it. I don’t know whether it was general knowledge or she knew because she was a nurse. Nevertheless it seems it was an accepted social more of the times.

    What is particularly galling about the shrieking morally vain classes is their conceit about how they would have thought and behaved in other times. O’Neil nails them with his point that their behaviour is no different to the intolerant of those times.

  191. Grigory M

    Barry Jones has a beard. It doubles as a serviette when he is eating.

    I rest my case.

    No fair – Barry is a throw-back. Manners maketh the man – nothing wrong with a well- trimmed beard or goatee – the look should be more urbane than Neanderthal 😉

  192. .

    Robert I reckon the world is getting better and less violent.

    I also agree with Niall Ferguson that this is a historical aberration and that freedom, peace and democracy isn’t a certain historical outcome.

  193. Mr Rusty

    My theory is that Clive Palmer was always obese and picked on at school, and now he’s out for revenge.

    Great. We had one beta male bullied narcissist getting his revenge by wrecking the country and then buggering off with his, conveniently arranged, wifey’s multi-millions to live off and now we have to put up with another one?

  194. Token

    Dear Gods of Sanity, please arrange for about a kabillion of these billboards across Canada and America…

    Billboard company rejects accusations of political bias

    Based upon the rending of garments & gnashing of teeth on Facebook in the last day, that billboard has released so much juvenile rage to actually effect the climate itself.

  195. goatjam

    One thing I hate about modern movies & TV is how every single man has the exact same chisled and scraped physique that would require at least 2 hours per day of gym work no matter the role they are playing.

    Mild mannered school teacher who is forced to defend his family from hoodlums and/or demon hordes? Rippling abs, check!

    Overworked trucking company owner who has to rescue his daughter from the mob? Rock hard sixpack, check!

    Can we have some realism please?

  196. Bob Kernohan testifies on oath that Bill Shorten told him to ignore serious fraud against the AWU by Wilson and co. because “a lot of people will be hurt”, saying “Think of your future!”

  197. Aristogeiton

    goatjam
    #1343121, posted on June 11, 2014 at 2:33 pm
    […]
    Can we have some realism please?

    Most of these gym-buffed blokes have little functional muscle. They are surprisingly weak when put to it (source: grappler).

  198. JC

    Freaking hell, Eric Cantor lost his primary? GOP supporters must be really pissed.

    The Kenyan is now a rogue president. He ought to be impeached and dumped in jail for what he’s doing to the borders.

  199. johanna

    That’s right, RB. In Victorian times people were much less mobile, and knew little about other countries. In those days libertarians railed against the introduction of passports. IIRC, the rationale for them was (dishonestly) sold as their being a way for nationals to seek protection from their Embassy when abroad. In fact, it was a border protection measure.

    Times have changed. Thanks to cheap transport and satellite TV, millions of people from poor or otherwise inhospitable countries aspire to gaining entry into rich nations. The UN Convention on Refugees was created in another time, another country. It simply does not accord with today’s reality.

  200. Robert Blair

    DB:

    the Mongol or Turk composite bow is better the Yew longbow.

    That one has been around for a long time, but unfortunately it is not a goer.

    If you measure the theoretical velocity achieved by the “recurve” (Mongol/Turk) bow, then yes, it looks rather better than the longbow.

    In practice, the recurve bow could penetrate the chainmail armor it was up against.

    It could NOT penetrate the plate armor of the medieval knight (except under ideal conditions, like “just stand there ten feet away while I try and penetrate your armor sir”).

    The English (Welsh actually) Longbow was a massive weapon that required real men just to draw the bow. Typically it required 150 to 200 ponds pressure to draw back the string.
    To do that while holding the bow steady enough to hit your target you need arms and shoulders like a brick shithouse.
    It was not a job for girly-men.
    The arrows were large, solid rounds of wood, armed with heavy fluted iron heads.
    The longbow sent that large, heavy, sharp missile on its way with a huge amount of force behind it.
    And it went through the knight’s plate armor like a hot knife through butter.

    The Turkish/Mongol recurve bow had a draw strength of 50 – 60 pounds, firing a light wooden arrow, from horseback.
    Sure, the recurve was a technical innovation, and in that sense, more “sophisticated” than the longbow.
    But the Frech knights would by far rather have faced off with a bunch of Turks on horseback, than a quarrel of cranky welshmen armed with Longbows.

  201. Notafan

    Speaking of manly men and the Simpsons, what about Ned Flanders whenever he takes his shirt off?

  202. Anne

    Hot movie stars of their times, Connery 2.03 & Bloom 2.07.

    Seems to me the same shift has occurred in our political leaders.

  203. .

    Tendon strength.

    Three battles, iron shirt, golden bell, lying tiger, eagle catcher.

  204. Fisky

    The Kenyan is now a rogue president. He ought to be impeached and dumped in jail for what he’s doing to the borders.

    It’s extraordinary. He demands the GOP pass a bill that legalises 10 million Democrat voters so long as Obama promises not to derail border enforcement???? Why are the Republicans even DISCUSSING this issue with the Democrats? There is nothing to talk about.

  205. .

    I can’t believe he has such an attitude.

    The US President simply does not have the powers he imagines he has.

    On reflection – what a magnificent political system.

  206. Anne

    Speaking of manly men and the Simpsons, what about Ned Flanders whenever he takes his shirt off?

    Ned is hot diddly hot! ;-D

  207. JC

    Fisky

    The Muslim Kenyan knows exactly what he’s doing. With the exception of California, the border states are essentially GOP, so he’s dumping these illegals in GOP States to antognize the populations there. It’s a real in your face whitey kind of move.

    He’s such a evil poisonous piece of filth that it’s hard to even look at a picture of him.

    I reckon it’s time to break up the union.

  208. Mr Rusty

    Officials say 6,560 unaccompanied minor aliens crossed the border in 2011. This year, it’s estimated that the number will jump to more than 90,000.

    Why do I get this feeling that one of the last acts of the Magic Negro and his Reign of Supreme Megawesomeness will be an Elysium-esque tearing down of the borders and handing out Green Cards to millions of “da poor” with an invitation to partake in the wonderfulness that is Obamacare?

  209. Fisky

    David Frum
    [email protected]
    Never mind one night’s political upset. Focus on sound sensible policy. Obama-style immigration reform remains … a terrible idea.

  210. JC

    Gee thanks David. Who would know dumping 10 million potential d’rat voters on the populace is a terrible idea.

  211. Token

    the Mongol or Turk composite bow is better the Yew longbow.

    This is the exact type of discussion Gab was lamenting had not be enjoyed at the Cat for a while…

    …isn’t the point about the Mongol / Turk bow the fact it was able to be fired at full gallop, thus adding addition force through momentum, and of course the flexibility through the maneuverability of the steppes archers?

    Both were only able to be superceded by gunpowder.

  212. johanna

    Great link to B.O. Plenty, Grigory. He is Barry Jones’ identical cousin.

    Anne, I had a boyfriend for a while like Orlando Bloom. He was very ornamental, didn’t have a single angle that was visually unpleasing.

    But he was not very bright, and also I found bossing him around all the time very tiring.

  213. Fisky

    He’s a bad, bad man, JC. I reckon he’s aiming for another 5 million illegals before he leaves office. The point about increasing the number of minors crossing the border is that it’s almost impossible to make a case for deporting them, because they have the right to schooling and no government is going to spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars educating a kid only to toss them out of the country at the end.
    Adult workers are easier to throw out. So it’s pretty obvious what Obama is up to here.

  214. nic

    Are we sure Ahmed Fahour isn’t that bee on Palestinain TV?

  215. Grigory M

    Hanscombe is asking many leading questions of Kernohan now (and chopping off some of his answers) – trying to paint him as aggrieved, bitter and vindictive.

  216. JC

    Fisk

    It may be pretty hard, but they need to be deported if only to reverse everything is scum has done. He’s just full of evil intentions.

  217. Infidel Tiger

    How fucking embarrassing.

    Obama is praising our gun laws.

    It’s like Jeffrey Dahmer complimenting your cooking.

  218. Token

    Gee thanks David. Who would know dumping 10 million potential d’rat voters on the populace is a terrible idea.

    Hmmm, whose opinion should we take? A conservative Republican from Toronto or a conservative Democrat from Los Angeles Mickey Kaus?

    Notes: 1) This is a pitch — against a “low wage agenda” and “crony corporate lobby” — that can appeal to Democrats as well as Republicans. Maybe partisanship will eventually be transcended, not at the top, with David Brooks, Gloria Borger and Jon Huntsman imposing a Beltway consensus they hammer out at an Atlantic panel, but at the bottom, where less sleek figures like Brat, Phyllis Schlafly and Jeff Sessions, can make common cause with Democratic workers who’ve gotten the short end of previous top-down triumphs such as global trade and Reagan’s 1986 amnesty, as well as of ineluctable technological trends like automation. 2) Perhaps not coincidentally, Democrats can vote in the Cantor vs. Brat primary. …

  219. JC

    Fucking amazing what he’s doing…he’s basically saying to the GOP, go with my immigration laws of ill dump half the third world onto you.

    Fuck him. Let him go to the mid terms with that.

  220. brc

    Can we have some realism please?

    Err…movies are entertainment…escapism.

    Removal of ripped blokes would be followed by dumpy broads where starlets currently are seen. No thanks. You go to the movies to be entertained, and watching attractive people is part of that. Has always been so.

  221. Token

    He’s a bad, bad man, JC. I reckon he’s aiming for another 5 million illegals before he leaves office.

    Can he get away with 5 million pardons on his last day? He certainly can pardon anyone who breaks the law to get them in.

  222. Anne

    …didn’t have a single angle that was visually unpleasing.
    But he was not very bright, and also I found bossing him around all the time very tiring.

    While I’m slightly curious about those angles Nota, I agree, the sexiest part of a man is his brain. Everything else can be worked around.

  223. Anne

    …if you have Polaroids…

  224. calli

    The guy with the angles belonged to Johanna, Anne.

    I’m impressed…ornamental and … teachable. 😀

  225. Grigory M

    That sounds somewhat tactile.

  226. Robert Blair

    Token:

    Turk bow the fact it was able to be fired at full gallop

    To be honest Token, DB said the Mongol bow was “better” than the longbow.

    I can’t really argue with that, so I compared them in terms of how to kill French Knights …

    Another way of putting it is that one was a rapier, the other a claymore, one is a pistol, the other a shotgun, one was an Abbot, the other a Palmer, etc.

  227. Anne

    Sorry Johanna, my mind was reeling with the imaginings!

  228. Mr Rusty

    While I’m slightly curious about those angles Nota, I agree, the sexiest part of a man is his brain.

    Anne and Nota are sapiosexual (been looking for a chance to use a recently learned word in a sentence.)

  229. Robert Blair

    Dot:

    Three battles, iron shirt, golden bell, lying tiger, eagle catcher.

    Que?

  230. nerblnob

    Instead of using ALPBC resources and employees, Aunty routinely buys programs from current and former employee’s production companies,

    Certain big oil companies that are our clients have a rule that they can’t buy anything off ex-employees’ businesses until ten years after they have left.

    Not for the first time I note that ethical standards in the industry are much higher than those of their critics.

  231. Fisky

    I reckon Obama’s going to pardon Mumia, as well as every crook and gangster in Chicago. He’ll also look for some expedient for legalising 10 million illegals without congress. Watch out for this dude’s last three months. They’re going to be hell.

  232. Anne

    Rusty

    While I’m slightly curious about those angles Nota, I agree, the sexiest part of a man is his brain.

    Anne and Nota Johanna are sapiosexual (been looking for a chance to use a recently learned word in a sentence.)

    You’re clearly a noscosexual Rusty. You’ve passed the test. You’re in the sexiest Cat Men club.

  233. C.L.

    Sean Connery just demonstrates how beta most of the current crop of Hollywood masculine icons are.

    Johnny Stompanato was Micky Cohen’s enforcer in the Los Angeles mob.

    He was also a former Marine.

    He confronted Connery on a movie set with a gun, crazy with jealous rage because he imagined Connery was sleeping with his squeeze, Lana Turner.

    Connery took away the gun and kicked his arse.

  234. Aristogeiton

    C.L.
    #1343185, posted on June 11, 2014 at 3:20 pm
    Sean Connery just demonstrates how beta most of the current crop of Hollywood masculine icons are.

    Johnny Stompanato was Micky Cohen’s enforcer in the Los Angeles mob.

    He was also a former Marine.

    He confronted Connery on a movie set with a gun, crazy with jealous rage because he imagined Connery was sleeping with his squeeze, Lana Turner.

    Connery took away the gun and kicked his arse.

    James Caan. There was a narrow-shouldered man who could put the fear of almighty god into you; he has eyes like a tiger.

  235. H B Bear

    I reckon Obama’s going to pardon Mumia, as well as every crook and gangster in Chicago.

    The whole question of Presidential pardons is extraordinary. It is an affront to the rule of law.

  236. JC

    Toke

    The Kenyan could pardon illegals for breaking the law, but I don’t think it would mean they can’t be deported and it certainly doesn’t mean citizen track.

    I think there’s a decent opening for Reagan’s d’rats to move over to the GOP. Lets hope they haven’t picked an imbecile as a candidate.

  237. Anne

    Connery took away the gun and kicked his arse.</blockquote

    When men were men…

    When I write my screenplay about the CatallaxyFiles I'd like to cast Brian Dennehy in the role of CL.

  238. johanna

    True. For a small subset of women, brains are irresistible.

    I don’t mean “brains” as in academics. They are mostly terminal bores (with honourable exceptions like the Doomlord and Steve K.)

    But brains and wit are hard for me to resist, no matter how they are packaged.

  239. twostix

    My mothers 53 year old friend is going over to Africa to help dig wells again this year. I was gob-smacked when I heard this. In large parts of Africa digging wells is apparently still not something the “men” are able to do themselves and so require over fed maternalistic western women to come and do it for them.

    Meanwhile back in 1878 Australia when they started sinking bores…

    “There was no truck or centrifugal pump in those days. There was only tent accommodation at best. When my mother went out when they first got married, it was all camp oven cooking. She had to make her own yeast out of potato peels and things like that.

    “They faced real danger of dying from dehydration, starvation, exhaustion, heatstroke and accidents. But when they did reach water, and if that water was good, imagine how they’d celebrate. It must have blown them away.”
    To keep the water flowing, teams of horses and bullocks dragged heavy delvers through thousands of kilometres of open channels, clearing away dirt and debris.”

    So with steam engines, horses and bullocks Australian colonials sunk thousands of bores and dug irrigation ditches all over the place.

    Modern Ghana on the other hand has access to these to sink bores. And still they require the aid of middle aged western women to come and help solve their water “crisis”.

    I do not think it’s a lack of money that is the problem with Africa.

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