Wednesday Forum: June 11, 2014

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  1. Token

    Bush’s mistake was nation building. Great powers should destroy their enemies and let the losers rebuild if any are left to do so.

    Unfortunately, Bush’s adventure into Iraq has proven Machiavelli’s rules about the way you treat people who “only respect a strong horse” still stand today.

  2. Max

    In Fairfax’s lady pages – Daily Life – a briefly guilty mother reassures herself after dumping her 1 year-old in “child care” when she sees him with playing with a giant fluffy elephant.

    I hope that one day my son will look up to me, will strive through the chaos of life to juggle all of his responsibilities and to follow all of his dreams. Meanwhile, I think of him with that great big elephant, opposite that little boy, and smile.

    To be fair society really should be adjusted so that women can have their babies between 16 and 26, still get an education, and have the opportunity for a career after 26 years of age.

  3. Don’t think so.

    Yes, IT, I’m sure that would be at the forefront of their minds in a combat situation. That kind of bullshit stays in the lecture halls of Duntroon. Don’t confuse political bullshit with what happens on the ground.

  4. MacBeth

    Joe Goodacre. WW2 four years, Army and Air Force. Nothing heroic. My reference to D Day was that when we got the news of the landing by radio, there was much excitment – we didn’t know what to expect. We had no foreknowledge. As I said, it was a long time ago – some memories stick, others fade. Story telling can be a trap. Memory and reality are not always the same.

  5. Max

    Great moments in Islam:

    Film out of Sudan shows woman bull-whipped for marrying a Christian.

    Ultimately Islam is going to win CL. you know that dont you?

  6. Ros

    To quote wiki, “proponents of gender-neutral language argue that the use of gender specific language often implies male superiority or reflects an unequal state of society.”

    Shorten, ACOSS Conference, prattles on about all men are inter-related, and we are our brothers’ keeper.

    Looking forward to the hand bag brigade, the sisterhood and those bastions of fairness and decency, the ABC and Fairfax, going troppo. Expect a virtual lynch mob forming within minutes shrieking Shorten is a misogynist.

  7. dover_beach

    Good day, Thomas.

    Good day to you too, Sir.

  8. Infidel Tiger

    Yes, IT, I’m sure that would be at the forefront of their minds in a combat situation. That kind of bullshit stays in the lecture halls of Duntroon. Don’t confuse political bullshit with what happens on the ground.

    What would be more embarrassing, your son wanting to play soccer or join the modern day ADF?

    It’s a bloody tough question. At least the ADF has a proud history you can fall back upon I suppose.

  9. Mater

    I’ll correct myself by saying we did fight in the opening phases of the Iraq war. That also was politically appropriate. But after the SAS pulled out the brief for the mission was training.

    Bruce is correct. However, I’d add that the defence of the Australian Embassy/Consulate was a primary task. We had no dedicated combat forces in Iraq post ‘Mission Accomplished’. Units dedicated to public relations tasks – yes, escort duties – yes, Combat Missions – no.
    I will add that risk aversion in the combat zones is a major frustration for the frontline troops. It flows directly from the political levels and can be traced directly back to public sentiment.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    Ultimately Islam is going to win CL. you know that dont you?

    They ain’t going to win shit. We could end them anytime we want.

  11. dover_beach

    Ultimately Islam is going to win CL. you know that dont you?

    Ultimately? No. Not even the gates of hell shall prevail.

  12. Token

    Please post more often MacBeth.

    What the tragic story about the poor babes from Ireland has proven is most people really don’t understand how much the world has changed since the days you were serving your country.

    PS: I’m glad you got the humour, feel free to correct my spelling any time.

  13. Token

    …your son wanting to play soccer…

    Speak for yourself. My wife and I have plans to live on a boat off the French coast when the tyke cracks it in the European leagues…

  14. Max

    They ain’t going to win shit. We could end them anytime we want.

    – our leaders dont have the will
    – public discourse of the problem is “racist”
    – we dont have enough children
    – Israel’s “wall” option seems to be the only thing that works

  15. harrys on the boat

    Nothing heroic serving 4 years in WW2?

    That has to be the biggest understatement quoted at the Cat.

  16. pete m

    Can people watching the RC post the odd update for people who cannot, please?

  17. Steve of Glasshouse

    Some research out of Canada re quantum dot solar tech

  18. harrys on the boat

    It would be interesting to see Israel attacked by maniacs in Iraq or Iran. During the gulf wars America was able to restrain Israel from retaliation. I doubt Obama would be able to have the same influence. I would wager the response from Israel would be annihilation.

  19. Notafan

    C L that is old footage of a girl being whipped for wearing trousers under her burqua. Apparently Sudanese police carry bullwhips for such summary punishments.

  20. H B Bear

    Gillard’s boyfriend going through the “ghost” members of the Workplace Reform Association. Bill the Greek and a couple of now dead guys.

  21. Rudiau

    The Day of Reckoning.
    Me thinks Richard is a tad cranky with Obumer, and rightly so.

    When you add in the Eastern European crisis and the growing expansion of China to the Middle Eastern collapse, it is not hard to see the obvious. Unless a miracle saves Obama, the nation will be facing a global and existential security crisis within a short time. America will face a supercharged Islamic terrorism with thousands of recruits in the West available as a 5th Column, supplied with vast amounts of money and in potential possession of most of the world’s oil. For how long until Saudi Arabia’s Islamic children eat its parents?

    If Hillary has been described as Barack Obama’s Third Term, then she is proof of what we everyone distressingly knows: the only error progressives ever admit is not trying their ideology hard enough.

    It will be double-down until the end.

  22. JC

    Can people watching the RC post the odd update for people who cannot, please?

    Sure

    The lying Slapper calls Craig Thompson and Shane Wand as character witnesses. Both tell the RC they were with her through the 90’s and didn’t see any cash change hands and the only time they saw her open her wallet was when she shouted a couple of drinks.

  23. A Lurker

    Gillard’s boyfriend going through the “ghost” members of the Workplace Reform Association. Bill the Greek and a couple of now dead guys.

    It’s very convenient that most of them are now dead…

  24. A Lurker

    Can people watching the RC post the odd update for people who cannot, please?

    In my opinion Wilson is currently fibbing his way through the RC.

  25. JC

    Bruce Wilson says they slept in the same bed but he never had sex with that woman. He says that the brown envelopes were holding a salad roll with ham and not cash and the previous witness got all confused with the colors.

  26. They ain’t going to win shit. We could end them anytime we want.

    Bloody oath we could. On that I agree, IT. All that is lacking is will.

    Fortunately, we get to see the shit long before it happens here. Islamists are still a long way from achieving their goals in Europe and the US, and there is already considerable blowback (yes, lefty fuckwits, we can react to bad behaviour too) in those places. They’ve given away their intent far too early, and populations are responding in kind. Before any Islamic revolution occurs in Europe and the US, there will be a survivalist revolution against the Chamberlainist appeasers of the elite. A few hundred effete politicians protecting their turf against millions of angry people is a no-contest.

    The political will will come from the grassroots, as we are already seeing across the western world. Welcome to the revolution.

  27. Max

    Hopefully you are right Beer Whisperer

  28. pete m

    Thanks. Michael Smith News is not loading for me, so I appreciate the score check (well, the serious ones anyway)!

    He just needs to be asked when was training provided, to whom and for records of the sessions signed by the particpants please, as required by WHS law.

  29. Tintarella di Luna

    Niccolo Machaivelli has some very handy words to say about power and enemies – Abbott should apply them sometime – my favourite is: If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared

  30. Token

    my favourite is: If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared

    That is the Labor Party way. The media does not love them, it fears them due to their strict observence of that advice.

    Refer Mal Coulston, Bob Kernohan, et al.

  31. Token

    On that I agree, IT. All that is lacking is will.

    They know it too. Though yhey have felt the sting of the the drone strikes they keep repeating the following line…

    …they have the watches, but we have the time.

    The actions in Tikrit & Mosul is just another example of that.

  32. 'S

    Max had a first post labelling israel blackmailing humanity, or some other swill.
    On this he’s right. Will is everything.
    Islam in europe is gonna be more entrenched. Think about what Britain will be like in 2 generations. The UKIP win won’t translate into less religion of peace immigrants or imams being treated like the street pastor arrested for hate speech against gay youths.

  33. harrys on the boat

    With the surf board that we presented to Obama. Is it an issue that the US flag is backwards/mirrored?

  34. Supplice

    With the surf board that we presented to Obama. Is it an issue that the US flag is backwards/mirrored?

    Given the frequency that Obama wipes his arse with the US flag, I’d say not. And if that’s the biggest gaffe that come out of Abbott’s entire trip, its been a good trip. Actual gaffe, not confected one.

  35. Supplice

    Besides, it’d be plainly wrong if the US flag was “hoisted” on the wrong side instead.

  36. Bruce of Newcastle

    It would be interesting to see Israel attacked by maniacs in Iraq or Iran.

    That’d be a laugh. The ISIS pussies are farting around in Iraq because Assad has been giving them a dose of reality. Assad and Hesbollah may be complete bastards but they are winning bastards. The kiddies decided to skedaddle and try a softer target.

    Israel would squish them bugwise if they ever dared to go in their direction.

  37. Tom

    AbbottSatan waited until he got to America to tell the climate hysterics to get a big black dog up them, which, of course, has sent delinquents at ShakeMyHead.com into a headless rage:

    Former US vice-president Al Gore has told Fairfax Media that “history will not be kind” to politicians who stand it the way of climate action, and he expected President Barack Obama would raise the issue with Tony Abbott when the two leaders met on Wednesday at the White House.

    “I am not a citizen of Australia and I don’t feel I have the privilege of entering your political debate,” said Mr Gore.

    “But we have had deniers of the climate crisis in office in the US as well. History will not be kind to those who looked away, much less those who sought to prevent [action on climate change].”

    Mr Gore, who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his climate-change activism, said he was aware that the Australian Prime Minister had once described climate-change science using “a scatological term” and that the Abbott government had de-funded bodies established to advise the government on climate change.

    “I don’t pretend to know what the basis of his thinking is, but Mother Nature has a louder voice,” he said, referring to increasing incidences of severe weather.

    Mr Gore said that although Mr Abbott had not asked for his advice, and was unlikely to do so, if he had a few minutes with the Prime Minister he would ask him to “think of your children and grandchildren, think of the people who are already suffering the consequences of the climate crisis”.

    Mr Gore spoke to Fairfax Media days before his scheduled visit to Australia to train environmental volunteer leaders through his Climate Reality Project. He said the training would take into account the recent actions of the Abbott government.

    The sight of the gender reassigned Australian left flailing impotently with Abbott Derangement is truly a gift we must thank him for. It’s almost as much fun as watching the Lying Slapper’s bumboy in a frenzy this morning at Dogshit Today over the axe that now hovers over her head:

    This [unions RC] has always been, at heart, a sleazy attempted political smear attack (!!!) against a PM who, in any event, lost the job due to the poisonous internal politics of Labor resulting not from having a crooked boyfriend 20 years ago, but merely from the disastrous ascendancy of Kevin Rudd.

    This makes people care even less about the Royal Commission, and Hedley, Smith, con man Pickering and Bolt are almost certainly going to miss any sense of satisfaction out of its results. At least, one hopes, Smith has lost money out of being a complete jerk and all round tosser. (Although with all the talk of the money floating around to fund it, who knows if even that has happened.) Unfortunately, Andrew Bolt continues to make a pretty penny out of the same tactic.

    LOL

  38. Infidel Tiger

    Wow: 92% of Babies With Down Syndrome in England Are Killed in Abortions

    Surprising it’s not a 100% considering that all of the first trimester is just the medical fraternity testing to make sure your clump of cells is “normal”.

  39. entropy

    Bruce Wilson says they slept in the same bed but he never had sex with that woman. He says that the brown envelopes were holding a salad roll with ham and not cash and the previous witness got all confused with the colors.

    JC, reminds me of a true story. mrs entropy fancied a salad sandwich on a road trip across the Hay Plain a few years back. At a road house asked for a salad sandwich, and she got lettuce, cheese and ham. Mrs entropy got me to turn around and go back (sympathy plea here) and she marched in to get it exchanged.
    She came out with a flummoxed look on her face, after being told that the sandwich was indeed, their idea of a salad.

  40. C.L.

    Mr Gore said that although Mr Abbott had not asked for his advice, and was unlikely to do so, if he had a few minutes with the Prime Minister he would ask him to “think of your children and grandchildren, think of the people who are already suffering the consequences of the climate crisis”.

    Ahahahahahaha.

  41. Infidel Tiger

    First Waxman, now Gore try to slay the Abbott666:

    Former US vice-president Al Gore has told Fairfax Media that “history will not be kind” to politicians who stand it the way of climate action, and he expected President Barack Obama would raise the issue with Tony Abbott when the two leaders met on Wednesday at the White House.

    “I am not a citizen of Australia and I don’t feel I have the privilege of entering your political debate,” said Mr Gore.
    “But we have had deniers of the climate crisis in office in the US as well. History will not be kind to those who looked away, much less those who sought to prevent [action on climate change].

    I love Al. His whole life has been a series of failures.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/al-gore-mother-nature-has-louder-voice-than-tony-abbott-on-climate-20140612-zs4wx.html#ixzz34O2YEENl

  42. outsider

    Stoljar has toughened up on Wilson, who now contradicts many other witnesses’ statements. He (Wilson) was doing not too bad until after the recess, my view of it. The RC seems to have a fair bit of material not seen before – Glen Ivory’s documentation. It’s going downhill for him.

    ‘Your evidence…is quite false.’

  43. Infidel Tiger

    Fuck me! He may have failed Divinity School, but he learnt a bit about end of days preachifying:

    He said changes in Australia’s environment were not only being scientifically documented but were obvious to him as a regular visitor during Australia’s “angry summer”.

  44. calli

    She came out with a flummoxed look on her face, after being told that the sandwich was indeed, their idea of a salad.

    If it doesn’t include meat, it isn’t food. Which reminds me, thanks Westie Woman (I think, too lazy to scroll up) for the heads up re the meat slicers on special at Aldi.

    This place is a treasure trove of useful information.

  45. feelthebern

    at last the abc has something on their web site about the Union RC.
    they’ve had stuff up re the Child Abuse RC for hours.

  46. Tintarella di Luna

    This place is a treasure trove of useful information.

    As Sinc says it is a blog devoted to education, entertainment and information – every day (and night) in every way

  47. James in Melbourne

    Mr Gore said that although Mr Abbott had not asked for his advice, and was unlikely to do so, if he had a few minutes with the Prime Minister he would ask him to “think of your children and grandchildren, think of the people who are already suffering the consequences of the climate crisis”.

    It’s this century’s version of Godwin’s Law. If you invoke “our grandchildren,” you’ve lost the argument. Because like all generations two removed from the present, they will possess technological superiority unimaginable to us, and will laugh at what we considered to be insurmountable problems*.

    * much less demonstrable bollocks like AGW

  48. Tintarella di Luna

    at last the abc has something on their web site about the Union RC.
    they’ve had stuff up re the Child Abuse RC for hours.

    that’s because they wanted to be able to ignore the emanations from the Union RC for hours first

  49. Mr Skeletor

    The ABC has more important stories than the RC to worry about – like the ‘massive’ bust the budget protest. Who cares about corruption when we can hear the views of the rent-a-crowd yet again.

  50. Andrew

    Wow: 92% of Babies With Down Syndrome in England Are Killed in Abortions

    Emily’s List would probably celebrate at that fact.

  51. Delta A

    Unionists and union bosses marching and disrupting the city to distract from the RC… oops, I mean to protest the cruel budget.

  52. pete m

    wow the stuff MSN (michael smith, not msn!!) is now recording as the XXN is major – Gillard present at meetings when it was discussed etc. She is in this FAR deeper than she ever admitted – quell surprise. Finally seeing some of his site. Wilson is now going to be facing perjury charges in my view.

  53. C.L.

    Wilson getting a little riled.

  54. Delta A

    Imagine the circus the unions will turn on if Gillard gets called to answer the Commission.

  55. A Lurker

    I have a question to the legally minded people at the Cat.

    The question is, what are the legal consequences if someone is discovered to be lying to the Royal Commission?

  56. Derp

    Edge of Tomorrow was actually pretty good entertainment with a few LOL moments.
    Usually involving Tom Cruise dying… over and over again.
    Plus Bill Paxton… what a champ.

    As noted at the link, its brilliance is that it’s a video game film that’s not actually based on a video game.
    (For non gamers like me – do not be put off by that)

  57. harrys on the boat

    A Liberal lying, immediate resignation pending police investigation. A Labor person lying, gloating that you’re untouchable and an honorary doctorate from Adelaide university.

  58. C.L.

    Oddly, Wilson often answers “I can’t recall.”

    Except when a question implicates Gillard. Then it’s all no no.

  59. Infidel Tiger

    The question is, what are the legal consequences if someone is discovered to be lying to the Royal Commission?

    They are pre-selected for a safe Labor seat.

  60. MT Isa Miner

    Infidel Tiger

    #1343627, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    In hell the only drink is Bundaberg Rum.

    renovations-builder-says/story-fng5kxvh-1226950479345

    Steve at the Pub

    #1343632, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    In hell the only drink is Bundaberg Rum XXXX.

    Bundaberg Rum is prett ordinary, and even more ordinary as rums go. But it is nowhere near as disgusting as XXXX.

    However, it is owned by a far more disgusting, evil, unconscionable company than is XXXX (which is at least owned by Japanese, who have some modicum of honour in their dealings).

    I can’t speak badly enough of Bundaberg (known in my office as “that pommy drink”).

    Was raised on rum, love the stuff, don’t drink it often, but when I do, I drink “ABB” brand, or not at all
    (ABB = Anything But Bundaberg)

    Southern state sissies. If you come round to my place, better BYO.

  61. twostix

    Wow: 92% of Babies With Down Syndrome in England Are Killed in Abortions

    That’s not quite right. It should be: 92% of babies Who Test Positive for Down Syndrome In England Are Killed in Abortions.

    an audit of quadruple test performance in 14 UK hospitals observed an 81% detection rate and a 7% false positive rate

    A cursory viewing “false positive” for down syndrome shows it’s pretty rampant with many mothers having a story…

    http://community.babycenter.com/post/a21559667/how_often_do_down_syndrome_test_come_back_w_false_positives

    http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Down-Syndrome/HelpIs-it-a-false-positive-1177–23-Quad-Screening-Test/show/326374

    Then there’s this:

    The main drive towards introducing screening appears to come from medical agencies, not from lay people or through democratic debate; there has been no parliamentary discussion or law on screening in Britain. Policies are formulated by advisory committees, which issue guidance. Medical reports emphasize the prevention of suffering and promotion of parental choice by offering termination of affected pregnancies. Public health reports stress economic aims: to reduce the ‘life time costs of care’ for people with Down’s syndrome; to avoid costly litigation for ‘wrongful birth’ of undiagnosed babies; and to develop comparatively cheaper, although also profitable, screening technologies.”

    http://www.down-syndrome.org/editorials/2087/

    Life unworthy of life comes to the 21st century.

  62. Lysander

    Why is he just asking Wilson questions without any challenge?

  63. feelthebern

    XXXX is quality.
    Best thing to ever come out of QLD.

  64. Notafan

    Didn’t xxxx start out in Castlemaine, Victoria?

  65. C.L.

    Why is he just asking Wilson questions without any challenge?

    It’s not exactly you can’t handle the truth is it?

    It’s hard to follow.

  66. feelthebern

    I park my car under the building where the RC hearings are held in Sydney.
    I always know when the RC is sitting as the super early bird level (also called el cheapo grande parking) is fuller than usual at 7am.
    Today was no different.
    But as most of the lawyers have offices in town, I imagine the car spaces are being used by the extra security they have on when the RC sits.
    The day well Pell appeared at the child abuse RC, it was crawling with security from an early hour.

  67. Token

    XXXX is quality.
    Best thing to ever come out of QLD.

    Did someone get kicked in the head by a horse?

  68. It’s hard to follow.

    I beg to differ. Wilson is being exposed, pointmeal, as a liar.

  69. egg_

    “He is a man of extraordinary personal gifts. I certainly expect to like him at least as much this time as last time, considering the different position that I am in now.”

    Abbott ‘like him long time’?

  70. Infidel Tiger

    The RC is a waste of time. Gillard could stroll in their carrying a bag full of cash from the dead miners fund, pull down her dungarees and lay a snapper right on the table and it will not even rate a mention in the media.

    You’re better off watching Thermomix demonstrations on youtube.

  71. Lysander

    I beg to differ. Wilson is being exposed, pointmeal, as a liar.

    I can see him saying “I don’t recall” and there seem to be some inconsistencies around funds and meetings at Kerr St etc…but surely the Counsel needs to make this a little clearer?

  72. egg_

    Wilson is now going to be facing perjury charges in my view.

    Wilson will be the RC’s scapegoat, no?

  73. C.L.

    I can see him saying “I don’t recall” and there seem to be some inconsistencies around funds and meetings at Kerr St etc…but surely the Counsel needs to make this a little clearer?

    It’s not Perry Mason.

    The commissioner understands well enough.

    Wilson was ambushed a beaut re Ivory:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nv_vSu1KME#t=60

    [Via Smith].

  74. XXXX is quality.
    Best thing to ever come out of QLD.

    Best toilet bowl cleaner on the planet.

  75. Tintarella di Luna

    You’re better off watching Thermomix demonstrations on youtube.

    You’re not at my side window are you IT? I’ve been looking for snapper recipes – that is really spooky

  76. surely the Counsel needs to make this a little clearer

    Jeremy Stoljar SC is steadily going through Wilson’s written statement getting Wilson to admit, even when he’s carefully trying to conceal his dodginess, that he was completely shonky. Wilson nonchalantly admits to bribery and corruption. Stoljar is building a picture of Wilson’s unreliability and dishonesty—and that culture pervading the AWU’s management.

  77. Tintarella di Luna

    Jeremy Stoljar SC is steadily going through Wilson’s written statement

    That’s the grind of such things, its the minutea that gets ’em – a bottle of wine here, a wad of cash there

  78. Token

    Yes, Wilson is going down. He knows this.

    He also knows that it is in his best interest if he is to get a ride from the relevant public sector union workers in the prison not to take Senior Labor Figure or Gillard with him.

  79. Mark from Melbourne

    I have just perused the paper copy of today’s Aged.

    Remarkably, there is not one mention of the TURC.

    Beyond belief, and beyond parody.

  80. calli

    A little music to go with Wilson’s testimony before the RC.

  81. Bruce of Newcastle

    Infi, if you’re bored with the RC you can now buy a car which lets you remotely run your Thermomix.

    Toyota, Panasonic aim to let drivers monitor household appliances

    TFU.

  82. Fisky

    Abbott should offer Wilson exile on a nice island somewhere if he agrees to incriminate Shorten and Gillard.

  83. Abbott should offer Wilson exile…

    No, Wilson’d refuse because he’s just so darned honourable. After all, he refused a bribe of $200,000 to give false testimony. How do I know? Wilson said so.

  84. A Lurker

    Anyone guess at the two hefty-bruiser types in the t-shirts who were lounging against the back wall (where the window is)? I suspect Union bruthers silently ensuring Wilson stays on-message.

  85. Baldrick

    Infi, if you’re bored with the RC you can now buy a car which lets you remotely run your Thermomix.
    Toyota, Panasonic aim to let drivers monitor household appliances

    Just what every doctors wife at Edgecliffe needs … a Thermomix monitoring Prius.

  86. As I said, it was a long time ago – some memories stick, others fade. Story telling can be a trap. Memory and reality are not always the same.

    Nothing like going back & reading your diary from say, 10 years ago. Amazing how the mental recollection has diverged quite a bit from the contempraneous written version.

  87. Tintarella di Luna

    According to Margot Saville at Crikey it’s all Craig Thomson and Michael Williamson’s fault that Bruce Wilson’s concise, calm-under-pressure answers are not to be believed. Not the fact he’s been caught telling great big porkies. and the last paragraph is a beauty:

    The biggest beneficiary of these proceedings, of course, is the Coalition government, which has paid a lot of money to have its opponents’ bad habits exposed to the public gaze. Whether it is in the public interest to have so much public money spent on this, as opposed to a topic like the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, is another matter.

    How about we look a little further than schools and churches oh say at the Australian political party which has had members and leaders convicted for paedaphilia – that would extend the work of the Royal Commission and use the resources already allocated and perhaps a few more if required. What about that?

  88. Grigory M

    XXXX is quality.
    Best thing to ever come out of QLD.

    XXXX is excellent – best beer available at the V8 Supercars.

  89. Tintarella di Luna

    a Thermomix monitoring Prius.

    or a washing machine monitoring Corolla

  90. Great moments in Islam:
    Film out of Sudan shows woman bull-whipped for marrying a Christian.

    This sort of thing simply won’t happen once Christianity is eliminated.

  91. XXXX is quality.
    Best thing to ever come out of QLD.
    Did someone get kicked in the head by a horse?

    There’s nothing wrong with XXXX as such. It is a mainstream bog-standard Australian beer.
    What may not be widely known is that it was only ever drunk in the southern parts of Qld. While available in the north (if you could find it) it was not a big seller there.

    To recap, there is nothing wrong with XXXX. I just don’t like it. I should know, I drank enough of it when I was younger. Never liked it then, still don’t.

  92. nic

    as opposed to a topic like the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, is another matter.

    I was reading yesterday about the exploits of Marist Brother that were being discussed at the RC. The man had previously been convicted and sentenced. In this sense, it goes over what has been dealt with. However, with the RC into unions, none of them are yet to have faced any form of sanctions. Worse still are protected by large parts of the MSM.

  93. Baldrick

    Apparently there was a Bust the Budget rally in Melbourne this morning … who knew?
    Anyway, here’s the quality of the attendees.
    Kids next to “Fu*k” posters is never a good look.

  94. Max

    ‘S
    #1344121, posted on June 12, 2014 at 11:43 am
    Max had a first post labelling israel blackmailing humanity, or some other swill.

    I was corrected on here buy a few people pointing out that the author of the book I was reading has been a proven a fraud. (he WAS a respected Vietnam era American Journalist)

    A accept that I was wrong

  95. .

    Ultimately Islam is going to win CL. you know that dont you?

    Yes. Promoting libertarianism is promoting slavery as well.

    The best we can do is to have a conservative government of piss weak suck holes who pander to religious extremism and socialism. The best we can do is huddle together and wait for the end of days under the leadership of Michael Kroger and Brian Loughnanne.

    Or so I have been told.

  96. Max

    DOT

    how are we going to win? whats the action plan?

    I favour Banning the religion here in the west, “walling” the Anglo-sphere nations off, and waiting it out while they all kill each other.

  97. MT Isa Miner #1344166, posted on June 12, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    Infidel Tiger
    #1343627, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:32 pm
    In hell the only drink is Bundaberg Rum.

    Steve at the Pub
    #1343632, posted on June 11, 2014 at 9:38 pm
    In hell the only drink is Bundaberg Rum XXXX.

    Southern state sissies. If you come round to my place, better BYO.

    Big words from someone who is near enough to halfway up Australia. Nearly as much of Australia can call you “southerner” as has to call you “northerner”.
    BYO what? Creme de Menthe? If I.T. & I come round to your place, we’ve probably got to moisturise, shave our balls, and other southern practices. Is gay sex mandatory, or are you near enough to actual man country that we can make our own choices?

  98. Tintarella di Luna

    I was reading yesterday about the exploits of Marist Brother that were being discussed at the RC. The man had previously been convicted and sentenced. In this sense, it goes over what has been dealt with

    All of this stuff has been gone over before — in Forgotten Australians: A report on Australians who experienced institutional or out-of-home care as children — that was the basis of the second apology by Kevin Rudd to the Forgotten Australian — but no RC sprang from that but then Sgt Peter Fox came out with his over the top good lies and of course Gillard so in need of being the heroine in the piece established the Royal Commission to link Abbott because he is a Catholic —

    For shame though that the RC into institutions didn’t extend to looking at the Institution of Parliament given that sexual abuse of minor boys was undertaken by a minister of the Crown in NSW, perhaps there might have been explored why the first and most urgent legislation to be passed in the order of business of the new parliament in NSW in 2004 was legislation lowering the age of consent of boys from 18 to 16. What was the urgency of that piece of legislation? given it’s urgency was never mentioned in the election campaign.

  99. .

    Got this in my email about the petition Lucy Halsam started:

    Dan’s story will air on Channel 7 “Sunday Night ” this coming Sunday evening 15/06. A lot of effort has gone into this and we hope it will be a successful means of promoting the need for Australians to access medicinal Cannabis medicines lawfully. Lucy Haslam

  100. .

    I favour Banning the religion here in the west, “walling” the Anglo-sphere nations off, and waiting it out while they all kill each other.

    That’s not winning.

  101. Infidel Tiger

    You’re not at my side window are you IT? I’ve been looking for snapper recipes – that is really spooky

    My wife and MIL are going to a Thermomix party next week.

    I’m in the can for $2000 aren’t I?

    Unless this contraption can cook meth, I’m not sure how I’ll get it to turn a profit.

  102. Fisky

    The biggest beneficiary of these proceedings, of course, is the Coalition government, which has paid a lot of money to have its opponents’ bad habits exposed to the public gaze. Whether it is in the public interest to have so much public money spent on this, as opposed to a topic like the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, is another matter.

    Translation: we shouldn’t be having a Royal Commission into stuff that makes life difficult for Leftists, but instead we should be finding a way to embarrass the Catholic Church and therefore Abbott.

  103. Demosthenes

    A accept that I was wrong

    Good for you.

  104. Tintarella di Luna

    If I.T. & I come round to your place, we’ve probably got to moisturise, shave our balls, and other southern practices. Is gay sex mandatory, or are you near enough to actual man country that we can make our own choices?

    Gee sometimes I am really glad I’m not a man, the pressure to conform must be immense.

  105. Infidel Tiger

    If I.T. & I come round to your place, we’ve probably got to moisturise, shave our balls, and other southern practices.

    Hey, I did not RSVP to this party.

  106. Max

    I’m in the can for $2000 aren’t I?

    Tell her you’ll buy her a Thermochef for $600 and with the money you save have a nice romantic weekend away.

    http://ironchefshellie.com/2011/12/07/thermochef-vs-thermomix/

    Its the only way to get women to understand diminishing marginal returns

  107. nic

    My wife and MIL are going to a Thermomix party next week.

    That doesn’t bode well at all mate, can’t you do the Jedi mind trick on them? Pity they aren’t bogans, a Victoria’s Secret party has a happier ending, so Im told.

  108. nic

    If I.T. & I come round to your place, we’ve probably got to moisturise, shave our balls, and other southern practices.

    Thought for the day, Julia Gillard: young and naive. David Marr: young and Navy. Carry on.

  109. Tintarella di Luna

    I’m in the can for $2000 aren’t I?

    Unless this contraption can cook meth, I’m not sure how I’ll get it to turn a profit.

    IT all hope is only lost if the person doing the demo is very very good – a sort of ‘bust the budget’ demo — you’ll only be saved if the demo is hopeless – but hey you’ll profit by good health, shiny hair, you can make your own moisturiser (honey and beewax can be done with a hint of cinnamon) particularly useful for shaving rash, and besides a busy happy wife = happy life.

    I am here to help

  110. nic

    and besides a busy happy wife = happy life.

    Again, Im pretty sure Victoria’s Secret can help in that department too, yet we mock bogans.

  111. Infidel Tiger

    My angle is to get the wife to love it and make the mother in law pay.

    “Hey, do you ever want to see your grandchildren again?”

    “Well pony up, lady.”

  112. Yobbo

    I favour Banning the religion here in the west, “walling” the Anglo-sphere nations off, and waiting it out while they all kill each other.

    That’s not winning.

    It worked for Steven Bradbury.

  113. Tintarella di Luna

    Tell her you’ll buy her a Thermochef for $600 and with the money you save have a nice romantic weekend away.

    Don’t be a cheapskate IT, get her the real deal (The German Engineering can’t be beat) AND the weekend away.

  114. twostix

    I just got a newsletter from my NSW Liberal MP. It has a “message” from the new Premier Mike Baird in it.

    He raises just three major Liberal “achievements” in NSW since the last election. One of them is that NSW “was the first state to sign up to the NDIS”.

    Welcome to hell.

  115. Toiling Mass

    I’ve read that Gillard is currently overseas. I wonder if she will be called up for the RC, and if so, will she return?

    If she stays overseas won’t her pension be cut off?

    She’ll end up tramping around Thai truckstops turning tricks for a crust, her ear permanently cocked and listening of there is a more desperate place to ply her trade so she can afford more than just the crust.

  116. nic

    Don’t be a cheapskate IT, get her the real deal (The German Engineering can’t be beat) AND the weekend away.

    Dio santo! How can Mrs. I.T. be able to afford time away when she’s so busy with the appliance that shall not be mentioned?

  117. Max

    She’ll end up tramping around Thai truckstops turning tricks for a crust

    Lol

  118. Tintarella di Luna

    My angle is to get the wife to love it and make the mother in law pay.

    You’fe a born strategist IT, the angle is you can make gluten-free stuff, the endless things that can be made for the children, – in fact that’s how it started in the 1960s the Italians called it the ‘Bimbi’ it made beautifully cooked and pureed food for infants and toddlers.

  119. Infidel Tiger

    He raises just three major Liberal “achievements” in NSW since the last election.

    We’ve doubled the size of government.
    We’ve banned everything we possibly can.
    You idiots will still vote for us
    We aren’t all in jail yet.

  120. Tintarella di Luna

    mammia mia nic, it is a device that gives you more time, time for a quickie in the kitchen even while this device does its magic — in fact it is this device to which Arthur C Clarke was referring when he said that “sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”

  121. Lysander

    royal commission heating up (just a little).

  122. Lysander

    Yup; Wilson’s starting to unravel here…it’s getting good!

  123. Supplice

    I realise I might be picking at a scab here, but WTF’ingF is a thermomix and a thermomix party? Is this something like a tupperware party that’s infact a thinly veiled lebsian orgy?

  124. H B Bear

    Gillard’s boyfriend sinking like a stone.

  125. Max

    Don’t be a cheapskate IT, get her the real deal (The German Engineering can’t be beat) AND the weekend away.

    I told you they dont understand diminishing marginal returns

  126. Lysander

    Wilson: He said money wasn’t being put in for elections as there weren’t any at the time; then the Counsel asked about withdrawals and he said they were for elections!

  127. Tintarella di Luna

    I realise I might be picking at a scab here, but WTF’ingF is a thermomix and a thermomix party? Is this something like a tupperware party that’s infact a thinly veiled lebsian orgy?

    Could be

    Supplice – Check it out if you dare – blokes love it

  128. I realise I might be picking at a scab here, but WTF’ingF is a thermomix and a thermomix party? Is this something like a tupperware party that’s infact a thinly veiled lebsian orgy?

    Google is your friend Supplice. It will tell you plenty about Thermomix.
    How it fits into the Cat I don’t know. From the context there’s been a discussion about the …er.. appliance … that may have gone on for two thousand comments longer than it should have… or something.

  129. Token

    It’s haaaappening!

    It is good to know that organisations with the scale to ensure the quality of product at the cheapest price are serious about this market.

    As they work through the regulatory controls in the US they will have a great template to bring to Australia.

  130. srr

    Julia Gillard’s former boyfriend Bruce Wilson tells royal commission his alleged slush fund sent false invoices

    Updated 13 minutes ago

    AT TheirABC NEWS Site.

    um…is it still “his alleged” SLUSH FUND when GILLARD already told the world SHE SET UP THE AWU SLUSH Fund FOR ELECTING LABOR POLITICIANS…Like HER…who AFTER SHE SET UP THAT SLUSH FUND, suddenly rose to become Prime Minister…while his reward was burger flipping…ah, I don’t care anymore, seeing so many who used to rage against Gillard et al, NOW that they’re on the ropes, try to spin credibility into UNION LABOR’S Crapfest.

  131. nic

    Slush funds and fake invoices. ‘Yes, the renovations were paid by me, I paid by cheque’.

  132. Supplice

    I googled it. I think I got the main webpage. I watched the first two minutes of the video. I still don’t know what the heck it does, and I think of myself as a fairly competent cook for a young fella of the heteronormative patriarchy.

    Espresso time, and then back to the RC.

  133. Jo Smyth

    Royal Commission really, really warming up. With regard to our doomed future under Islam, a good read is SodaHead article on JAPAN and MUSLIMS. If they can do it, why can’t we?

  134. Aaron

    Good to see Federal Court judge Bernard Murphy being mentioned at the RC. His appointment by Gillard is extremely suspicious. Is there any chance he will be called to provide evidence?

  135. Max

    Buchanan predicts that people who are now celebrating diversity “will spend their golden years in a Third World America.”

    And thats EXACTLY what is happening

  136. .

    Libertarians were right #872543….

    Iraq War.

    What did we say?

    Go in and fight hard, plan all the way to the end and accept nothing less than total victory, or don’t bother going at all.

    Now since Obama’s withdrawal, now ISIS are running quasi states in Syria and Northern Iraq.

    If the US doesn’t fight ISIS, they could be handing over two NEW states to al Qaida, as well as losing their grip on Afghanistan.

    We told you. We fucking told you.

    Then there are smarmy, egg all over their face wags and conservatives who ramble on about “realism” and other phony shit in rather unhinged rants about why libertarian policies can never work or why actually taking on socialism head on and gutting it, then having a scorched earth policy regarding revenue won’t work.

    Recently libertarian ideas about the military and foreign policy were also rather foolishly criticised.

    No no.

    We lectured YOU about realism. WE were right, YOU were wrong.

    How many times do people have to be shown that a philosophy supporting freedom and pragmatism is the only moral and truly results driven approach to the public sphere?

  137. Lysander

    Good to see Federal Court judge Bernard Murphy being mentioned at the RC. His appointment by Gillard is extremely suspicious. Is there any chance he will be called to provide evidence?

    Hear hear!!! Everything TLS did was suspicious.

  138. Senile Old Guy

    I still don’t know what the heck it does, and I think of myself as a fairly competent cook for a young fella of the heteronormative patriarchy.

    The new ‘must have’ kitchen gadget, which can replace 10 appliances, is the Thermomix. But what the heck is it, and do you really need one?

    Fortunately, for my bank balance, I already have those 10 appliances (and perhaps a few more).

  139. Tintarella di Luna

    Wilson’s feet must be feeling pretty warm.

  140. Snoopy

    I hope that Bruce Wilson’s No. 1 fanboi, Jon Faine, is watching the RC on APAC.

  141. Mr Rusty

    The question is, what are the legal consequences if someone is discovered to be lying to the Royal Commission?

    Every witness swears an oath before taking the stand so I imagine anyone lying would be charged with perjury and depending on the ToR would likely face a prison sentence. I don’t know if the RC would investigate and prosecute this or the Fed Police, my guess is the latter.
    Any lawyers here please feel free to correct me.

  142. brc

    I predicted the thermomix bandwagon would merge with the MasterChef bandwagon and I was proven right.

    But so far – on the countries most popular cooking show – they have only managed to come up with making sorbet or a sauce as a purpose for the $2k thing.

    In that case I’ll buy my sorbet for a couple of bucks a bucket and continue to use a saucepan, and trouser the $2k in savings, thanks very much.

    Replaces 10 appliances in one. 9 of which you already own, 7 of which you haven’t used since they were unwrapped after your wedding.

    I know two people that live next to each other that have signed on to be Thermomix pyramid schemers. That’s going to be interesting to watch the turf war. There’s only so many layers you can put into a pyramid scheme so one of them is going to lose.

    Don’t fall for it people. AS a buyer or a seller.

  143. Aristogeiton

    Mr Rusty
    #1344385, posted on June 12, 2014 at 3:30 pm
    The question is, what are the legal consequences if someone is discovered to be lying to the Royal Commission?

    Every witness swears an oath before taking the stand so I imagine anyone lying would be charged with perjury and depending on the ToR would likely face a prison sentence. I don’t know if the RC would investigate and prosecute this or the Fed Police, my guess is the latter.
    Any lawyers here please feel free to correct me.

    Royal Commissions Act 1902 (Cth) s. 6H.

  144. Baldrick

    FFS we’ve reached peak Thermomix already!

  145. Supplice

    ahhahah

    Pro-Russia separatists in the Ukraine start waving the Confederate flag.

    Jus’ good ole boys, never meaning no harm…

  146. lotocoti

    Sounds like Sarah Sea-Patrol thought Tears of the Sun was about the Manus Island riot.

  147. Tom

    The Fucktard Media Industrial Complex is distraught that its story this morning that the former vice-president of the United States labelled AbbottSatan a climate denier has failed to bring down the AbbottSatan Regime. So this afternoon it announced it had had read AbbottSatan’s mind and he was trying to form an Axis of Evil Climate Deniers in the English-speaking world, but, thanks to the excellent investigative journalism of ShakeMyHead.com, AbbottSatan’s evil dream has been smashed:

    The UK’s conservative climate and energy minister has rejected suggestions his government could form an alliance of “like-minded” nations with Australia to oppose carbon pricing.

    Greg Barker has put an end to Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s dream that a group of five countries could be formed to undermine global moves to install carbon pricing and challenge a push by US President Barack Obama for stronger international regulation of climate change.

    In moves that show Australia is increasingly isolated on the subject, New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key has also said he was caught off-guard by the idea of an alliance and signalled his government has no intention of walking away from its emissions trading scheme.

    The comments leave Canada, with its anti-carbon tax prime minister Stephen Harper as Australia’s only likely ally on the subject.

    The terrible news that the AbbottSatan regime has imperilled the future of the world because it has made Gaia vewwy vewwy angwy is of such importance that it will require all of Their ABC’s attention this evening in the 7pm news, the 7.30 GetAbbott Half Hour and the Get Abbott Late Show that it will leave no time at all for any disinformation about the union royal commission as there was a technical problem for which we apologise, although the line to the Democratic Party in Washington seems to be fine.

  148. Cold-Hands

    I hope that Bruce Wilson’s No. 1 fanboi, Jon Faine, is watching the RC on APAC.

    Most of what Faine read out on his show was thrown out of the RC by the Royal Commissioner yesterday.

  149. Gab

    thanks to the excellent investigative journalism of ShakeMyHead.com

    hahahahaha! You’re on fire today, Tom. Hey, did you see Bleak‘s latest about Fairfax’s type of “journalism”? It’s a classic.

  150. harrys on the boat

    What astounds me is IT has been banging on about Thermomix’s for months, but his wife doesn’t even bloody have one?!?

    You will be hit up for $2000 IT, but do not pass go or collect $200.

  151. Infidel Tiger

    What astounds me is IT has been banging on about Thermomix’s for months, but his wife doesn’t even bloody have one?!?

    I like to keep a close eye on the cultural trends.

    Personally I would have thought a meat slicer would be the must have kitchen contraption.

    To be honest, if you can’t cook meth with it, I’m not sure what use it will be in getting the household budget under control.

  152. H B Bear

    Most of what Faine read out on his show was thrown out of the RC by the Royal Commissioner yesterday.

    That is the difference between a former High Court judge and someone ex Fitzroy Legal Service. It was always a crock and Paine knew it. The ALPBC tried to pump it up on the hour, every hour through their laughable “news” service.

  153. Gab

    They ain’t going to win shit. We could end them anytime we want.

    true, we could, but that’s not going to happen. Instead we will roll over in our pc blankets with our bums dutifully facing away from Mecca in the hope they don’t hurt us too much under their regime.

  154. Baldrick

    Tits Shorten is forced to deny of union slush fund wrongdoings.

    BILL Shorten has been forced to deny repeatedly any wrongdoing in the union slush fund scandal after a press conference he held was dominated by questions about his alleged conduct.

  155. Gab

    Bill Shorten: Julia told me to say I done nuffink wrong.

  156. Infidel Tiger

    true, we could, but that’s not going to happen. Instead we will roll over in our pc blankets with our bums dutifully facing away from Mecca in the hope they don’t hurt us too much under their regime.

    The history of the west is that we are pretty much fags until we snap and then we do some ugly shit and go back to writing poems about cats.

  157. Infidel Tiger

    The Age is leading with today’s scandal:

    The Coburg restaurant that hosted a $200-a-head dinner promoted by Collingwood footballer Dane Swan does not have a licence to serve alcohol and will be investigated by inspectors from the Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/dane-swan-dinner-to-be-investigated-by-liquor-board-20140612-zs5od.html#ixzz34P4OqeDt

  158. Peter van Onselen is such a comedian:

    @vanOnselenP
    Here’s a funny thought: how are the conspiracy theorists re JG going to react if the RC doesn’t even bother to call her to give evidence!

    Another Moral Dwarf [email protected]
    @vanOnselenP What conspiracy? Didn’t you watch the #TURC? Gillard helped to create a fraudulent entity designed for stealing.

  159. Gab

    The history of the west is that we are pretty much fags until we snap and then we do some ugly shit and go back to writing poems about cats.

    Not these days. In this century it’s more likely to be ‘we are pretty much fags until we snap and then go back to writing poems about cats’.

  160. Token

    Wow, we know this will not change the attitude of the Obama boosters, but really, wow:

    Well, this is a bombshell.

    The terrorists who attacked the U.S. consulate and CIA annex in Benghazi on September 11, 2012 used cell phones, seized from State Department personnel during the attacks, and U.S. spy agencies overheard them contacting more senior terrorist leaders to report on the success of the operation, multiple sources confirmed to Fox News.

    The disclosure is important because it adds to the body of evidence establishing that senior U.S. officials in the Obama administration knew early on that Benghazi was a terrorist attack, and not a spontaneous protest over an anti-Islam video that had gone awry, as the administration claimed for several weeks after the attacks.

  161. Rudiau

    Head in the sand Paul flails.
    Rand Paul: Let’s Compromise on Amnesty.

    A day after House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) lost his primary after Dave Brat hammered him on amnesty, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) embraced “immigration reform” on a conference call with Michael Bloomberg’s pro-amnesty group and Grover Norquist.

  162. Mr Rusty

    FMD that SMH article has to be the biggest pile of steaming crap they’ve produced…this week (and possibly ever). Firstly, when and where has Abbott ever spoken about a Coalition of 5 countries to oppose The Magic Negro’s emissions scheme? Anyone?
    Then the article says John Key was “caught off guard by the idea” then further down states that “Abbott had not spoken to him about the suggestion” (again WHAT SUGGESTION!?) and then some waffle about “taking climate change seriously” from “a spokesman Mr Key”. So Key never said anything, was not “caught off guard” by a suggestion that was never made to him and the article author has just twisted into a pretzel a few words from a spokesman.
    Seriously, how the fuck can these arseclowns just lie so blatantly and actually write completely contradictory statements within their own article? Unfreakingbelievable.

  163. Aaron

    Seriously, how the fuck can these arseclowns just lie so blatantly and actually write completely contradictory statements within their own article? Unfreakingbelievable.

    Don’t worry ABC’s Media Watch will cover it. Oh wait… No, a typo in The Australian is more important to the ABC.

  164. H B Bear

    Van Wrongselen must get his legal advice from Jon Paine.

    Both Wayne Hem and Athol James gave first hand evidence that Gillard was in direct receipt of cash from Wilson, either through her bank account or direct to tradesmen. Both witnesses seemed credible and, in comparison to Blewett and Wilson, have less at stake from providing honest testimony.

    If Gillard wants to rely on Wilson to provide her side of the story she is a bigger fool than even her entire performance as PM suggests she is.

  165. Cold-Hands

    Ms Gillard has been listening – her counsel just stated that she has given instructions that she disagrees with a piece of Wilson’s evidence.

    Looks as though TLS is paying close attention…

  166. Gab

    SodaHead article on JAPAN and MUSLIMS. If they can do it, why can’t we?

    The Japanese still have a very strong culture and they haven’t bought the pc/multi-culti utopian fiction like US, UK, Canadia, Sweeden, Australia etc.

  167. Tom

    The IPCC’s fact-free junk is good enough for true believing doomists like Moose Knuckles, who is so far down the evil humans spiral he goes full retard with an excruciating new variety of stupid:

    …Barack, you might like to try this as an opening gambit: “Tony, there are no jobs on a dead planet.” It might help break the ice, it might not. It’s entirely possible that our PM might just blink uncomprehendingly at first mention, but as with any decent slogan, repetition is the key, so keep nagging away, again and again until you think the thing is so worn with use that it might fall apart at the softest touch. Then say it again.

    Erm, Fuckknuckles, to all except your little tax-eating communist cabal, climate change is crap. It’s broken. It doesn’t work.

    H/T Blair

  168. .

    People should at least concede that Japan truly has a racist stance towards foreigners.

    Look at how they teach WWII and the official stance on the relatedness of Japanese and Koreans. The Japanese would rather believe in mythical nonsense than admit they’re related to Koreans.

    We can’t ban religions or kick people out based on it. We can’t.

    It is not worth discussing without trying to change s116 of the Commonwealth Constitution.

    I doubt very many people here would support that given the unintended consequences of changing a rule which makes sure the government remains secular.

  169. Motelier

    The Japanese still have a very strong culture and they haven’t bought the pc/multi-culti utopian fiction like US, UK, Canadia, Sweeden, Australia etc.

    Because they are not white, Caucasian and uptight about being PC

    I might go and live in Japan.

  170. Baldrick

    Michael Smith puts the boot into TLS:

    Michael Smith News @mpsmithnews
    Wilson is being demolished in cross examination at the royal commission. We look forward to hearing from his lover Ms Gillard.

  171. Tom

    These three “news” organisations were all at the same hearing today. Pick the odd one out:

    ABC:

    Controversial former union official and Julia Gillard’s ex-boyfriend Bruce Wilson has admitted his “association” sent false invoices to construction company Thiess for a whole year in 1992.

    The Australian:

    JULIA Gillard’s former boyfriend has admitted to extracting many thousands of dollars from the Thiess construction company when he was a senior union official for training services that were never provided.

    ShakeMyHead.com:

    Former Australian Workers Union official Bruce Wilson has denied allegations he handed former prime minister Julia Gillard wads of cash to pay for renovations at her Melbourne house in the early 1990s.

  172. I might go and live in Japan.

    Perhaps we’ll be on the same street. I’m all nostalgic about the place, and a lifelong Japanophile into the bargain.

  173. Rudiau

    Anyone using Tweetdeck for Chrome?

    If you use Tweetdeck for Chrome you should log out now. It has a vulnerability that allows attackers to execute code remotely on your computer just by tweeting it at you. So far it appears to only affect the Chrome app, but it’s obviously not good, so you should close up shop until the problem’s fixed.

  174. nic

    and a lifelong Japanophile

    Hmmmm

  175. Motelier

    Perhaps we’ll be on the same street. I’m all nostalgic about the place, and a lifelong Japanophile into the bargain.

    I am not sure about the hospitality industry over in Japan. I wonder if there is a market for a typical Australian Pub and Restaurant.

    Mrs M and I can both teach English as a second language.

    Hmmmmm

  176. Grigory M

    I might go and live in Japan.

    Is Japan ok for driving around in a motor home/Winnebago?

  177. Supplice

    I recks if you can serve a decent steak you’d be set over in moonruneland. Carpe would be the man to ask.

    And the current term for “Japanophile” is “weeaboo.”

  178. Token

    I love the fact Denmark is trying this out for us so we can actually see a government forcing an Imam in a Mosque to follow the law and be forced to perform such a wedding:

    Now in Denmark. Soon everywhere else.

    The country’s parliament voted through the new law on same-sex marriage by a large majority, making it mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages.

    Denmark’s church minister, Manu Sareen, called the vote “historic”.

    It’s certainly that.

    “Marriage is as old as man himself, and you can’t change something as fundamental,” the party’s church spokesperson Christian Langballe said during the debate. “Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman.”

    Karsten Nissen, the Bishop of Viborg, who is refusing to carry out the ceremonies, has warned that the new law risks “splitting the church”.

    Nah, it won’t really split the church. It will destroy it. Or at least, send it underground. Christians in Denmark will have to go crypto pretty soon.

    Denmark isn’t quite the United States. It has an official Evangelical Lutheran Church that is supported by taxpayer money. This bill is not limited to the state-run church. All churches in Denmark must comply.

    Of course advocates for a similar law in Australia keep assuring us that there will be no compulsion built into the law. Who could be concerned about the “march of history” based upon all the global precedents?

  179. nic

    Token, just a hunch, but what’s the bet when first tried on here, activists will pick a church and not a mosque?

  180. Motelier

    Grigory M

    Is Japan ok for driving around in a motor home/Winnebago?

    Apparently so.

  181. Token

    Nic, that is one safe bet.

  182. Is Japan ok for driving around in a motor home/Winnebago?

    Yes, if the contraption is no more than 4 feet wide.

  183. Gab

    Of course advocates for a similar law in Australia keep assuring us that there will be no compulsion built into the law. Who could be concerned about the “march of history” based upon all the global precedents?

    Well of course they do. It’s inevitable however I’m not convinced they will succeed in forcing religions to perform a same-sex wedding.

  184. nic

    I’m not convinced they will succeed in forcing christian religions to perform a same-sex wedding.

  185. Delta A

    Mote, I can’t speak for the Japan experience, but I can assure you that exploring the country in a motorhome/caravan is fabulous for people able and inclined to the adventure. We have been travelling since retirement, renting out our seaside home to supplement our income.

    There are many pitfalls facing novices, but much advice – both good and otherwise – available on a variety of websites. We are currently in Yamba, NSW, enjoying balmy weather when our dear ones at home are freezing.

    Having avowed all my life that I would never set foot in a caravan, I am amazed to find that I don’t need the flash house and fittings and Stuart crystal. I have everything within my wheeled walls.

    Oh, and for those who curse RV drivers, I can assure you that the Best Man is the truckies’ friend on the highway. Politeness and keeping an eye on the rear-view mirror is the key.

  186. Token

    Is Japan ok for driving around in a motor home/Winnebago?

    The tolls on the main roads are regular and wicked in their size, and I mean wicked.

  187. jupes

    For Bruce from this morning:

    My post:

    Australian troops fighting reputation was trashed in Iraq. They avoided combat hence there were no casualties.

    Your reply:

    Not correct. They were ordered to avoid combat.

    Well sure, they were ordered to avoid combat. However due to that fact, their reputation as fighters was trashed. My statement is correct.

    You know as well as I do if it was Aussie regulars in Mosul yesterday they would not have bugged out like the Iraqi Army did. They’d’ve chewed up the ISIS kiddies and spat them out.

    Who knows? It probably depends on their rules of engagement. The reality is that under the current political and military leadership, they would never be put in that situation.

    The point is the strategic estimation of Defense and the Howard Government was spot on.

    Politically maybe. Military no. The international reputation of the Australian Army has been trashed.

    We had to maintain the US alliance, but as we’ve been discussing the Iraqi campaign was not directly linked to 9/11, which was the event which triggered ANZUS. So it was politic to ‘be there’ but inappropriate to fight in a war which had no relevance to our defensive situation.

    If we weren’t serious than we shouldn’t have been there.

    Remember we were also committed in East Timor and the Solomons at the time, theatres where the US did not aid us. Nor did the UK.

    Neither of those relatively minor operations were wars.

    All this would be quite clear to the line people in the US and UK forces, if they thought about it.

    As if GIs or Tommies in Iraq or Afghanistan gave a fuck about Australian commitments to East Timor or the Solomons FFS. All they know is they were out there doing the heavy lifting while Australian troops stayed behing the wire. This never happened last century.

    Unfortunately in Iraq the US forces were clueless for a long long time, and it was only around 2005-6 they started to develop tactics that were appropriate.

    For reasons too numerous to mention here, all Western nations have lost the ability to win wars.

    The US has a Kasserine Pass issue in all wars – they get there in the end but it takes a while for their instinctive superiority to be adjusted by reality

    Except these days they don’t get there in the end. They have swapped victory for an exit strategy.

  188. Motelier

    Oh, and for those who curse RV drivers, I can assure you that the Best Man is the truckies’ friend on the highway. Politeness and keeping an eye on the rear-view mirror is the key.

    Being polite always helps.

    However on a trip from the southern motel to the northern motel, I came behind a group of 20 caravaners travelling together.

    Let me say that due to traffic on the road at that time of year, the reluctance of other people to use overtaking lanes correctly and the length from the rear of the caravan convoy to the front, I found it easier just to sit in the middle of them at 80 kph and enjoy the ride listening to the pile of albums on the mp3 player connected to the Calais’ stereo system.

  189. Infidel Tiger

    However on a trip from the southern motel to the northern motel, I came behind a group of 20 caravaners travelling together.

    Were they good looking? Surprised they didn’t hear you.

  190. However on a trip from the southern motel to the northern motel, I came behind a group of 20 caravaners travelling together.

    Ever discovered you’re travelling in the same direction as the migration of showmen from one town show to the next?

  191. Peter from SA

    Remember we were also committed in East Timor and the Solomons at the time, theatres where the US did not aid us. Nor did the UK

    A bit of trivia really but the US did aid the INTERFET deployment via contributions to the (naval) Operation Stabilise. Because of a lack of docks, the USMC ship-to-shore capability through their CH-53 heavy lift helos was vitally important. These operated from a couple of huge USN amphib warfare ships. And the British sent a token destroyer to participate. But I guess the point was they didn’t commit land forces.

  192. Cold-Hands

    I’m not convinced they will succeed in forcing christian religions to perform a same-sex wedding.

    Who are we fooling? The Uniting “Church” will roll over in a heartbeat.

  193. Delta A

    Actually, it’s more than politeness, Mote. We are constantly aware that, although we’re retired and cruisin’, truckies and other road users are on the job and dependent on meeting time-frames (we were the same before retirement).

    Caravanners/RV drivers who hold up traffic should be fined severely and have their tyres deflated.

  194. Motelier

    Ever discovered you’re travelling in the same direction as the migration of showmen from one town show to the next?

    Happened once. Lots of fun for the children in the back.

    The most frustrating one was travelling the Bruce from Brisbane to the northern motel while the army was travelling north for wargames. Now that was a slow trip.

  195. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Just been announced over on Michael Smith – the Royal Commission into H.S.U. begins hearings next week.

  196. .

    Gab
    #1344528, posted on June 12, 2014 at 5:39 pm
    Of course advocates for a similar law in Australia keep assuring us that there will be no compulsion built into the law. Who could be concerned about the “march of history” based upon all the global precedents?

    Well of course they do. It’s inevitable however I’m not convinced they will succeed in forcing religions to perform a same-sex wedding.

    Well, read the constitution. The compulsive nature of the act is forbidden.

  197. The most frustrating one was travelling the Bruce from Brisbane to the northern motel while the army was travelling north for wargames. Now that was a slow trip.

    Yeah forgot that one. Nothing like an Army convoy.
    Though usually they’ll be pretty reasonable and very coordinated about letting you overtake in stages up the line.

    Then again, I’ve only ever enountered Army convoys (though they seemed to be in battalion strength) on outback roads, or very regional roads.

  198. Gab

    These it seems the Constitution can be rewritten, Dot so I’m not confident the state won’t force it when same-sex “marriage” becomes a reality in Australia.

  199. .

    Not too regional and you can get a company travelling between bases.

    Very polite though. Truckies who got their MC whilst serving I believe would be good civilian professional drivers.

  200. .

    Gab
    #1344565, posted on June 12, 2014 at 6:12 pm
    These it seems the Constitution can be rewritten, Dot so I’m not confident the state won’t force it when same-sex “marriage” becomes a reality in Australia.

    Firstly a bill passed by both house of Federal Parliament, a national majority and a majority in 4/6 states would vote for compulsion and against freedom of conscience?

    If we can’t convince people otherwise in such a referendum (or have the Senate stonewall it dead), everyone on this site, libertarians, conservatives, non leftists of all stripes and those who simply want to be free should just give up and give in to authoritarian statism and forever hold their peace on all matters political.

  201. Rousie

    Just been announced over on Michael Smith – the Royal Commission into H.S.U. begins hearings next week.

    Am looking forward to the presser announcing the blackest day in Australian trade unionism.
    With all the secretaries front & centre

  202. nic

    Just been announced over on Michael Smith – the Royal Commission into H.S.U. begins hearings next week.

    Fortuitously for the ABC, Abbott will have looked at his watch again.

  203. Motelier

    Very polite though. Truckies who got their MC whilst serving I believe would be good civilian professional drivers.

    Dot,

    All of the Army convoys are good to get through as the drivers usually are very aware about what is happening around them.

    Their big problem is that the number of vehicles usually are in the hundreds travelling in small groups of 5 or 6 vehicles.

    When overtaking opportunities on the Bruce Highway are limited it is not the Army’s fault, it is the impatient public fvckwit drivers that cause all of the hold ups.

  204. .

    Mot

    I took to a hatred of Grey Nomads last Australia Day. Most were complete bastards on the road and at campsites.

    I’m sure they’re not all like that but my temperament was like William Foster (Falling Down).

    All is forgiven…at the moment.

  205. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    I see that stalin’s butt-boy Numbers the cowardly racist bigot has slithered out from out of his sewer:

    Heckuva job Barry George.
    FIFY

    Our pet racist reveals that even though he hates George Bush, he thinks that Bush, being white, was still better than having a black guy in the White House.

    Typical.

    Iraq is beginning to resemble Vietnam Mk 2.

    Then on with the Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me

    Also typical.

    The Yanks, through their Ingrained ignorance and arrogance,

    Then he re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-confirms his howling anti-American bigotry (once again typical of this racist buffoon)

    have an uncanny knack of turning a perceived threat into a catastrophe.

    Yep. Numbers says that Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait was a ‘perceived threat’, that his use of nerve gas against the Kurds was a ‘perceived threat’ and that their innumerable breaches of the armistice were just ’perceived threats’, and that the 11 September attacks were also merely ‘perceived threats’.

    He’s very clever for a Stalinist, isn’t he? Remember, Comrade Numbers beez a perfessional teecha! Bush had, of course, led the Allies to a victory in that limited war, a victory the Shizz has thrown away through his sheer slithering (and blithering) incompetence. Wottaguy.

    The families of the 4000+ US pervice personnel lost in Iraq are sharing the bitterness of the 400+ families of the diggers lost in Vietnam.
    What an obscene symmetry.

    Which is the Preshizzle’s fault, of course, for withdrawing in the manner he did. Then on with the Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me

    Meanwhile, the ALP-greenfilth drowned 4200 people according to Rudd’s own claims in September last year, almost as many as Vietnam and Iraq combined. And not a peep from the old coward about that. They were not white, you see.

  206. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    As I said, it was a long time ago – some memories stick, others fade. Story telling can be a trap. Memory and reality are not always the same.

    Test the brain cells though, please, MacBeth, and keep ’em coming. Glad to see you here and chipper.

  207. Tom

    ESSENDON players have been issued with show-cause notices for doping.

    The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority served the notices on players this afternoon over the club’s 2012 supplements program.

    The decision ends a 16-month probe and throws the 2014 AFL season into turmoil.

    ASADA has been investigating what Essendon-appointed investigator Ziggy Switkowski described as ‘a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the club”.

    Any charges against Essendon players and officials will ultimately be heard by an AFL tribunal, with a maximum two-year ban applicable for a player found to have used a banned drug.

    Essendon is expected to challenge ASADA’s findings in the Federal Court.

  208. calli

    Dot, Grey Nomads are a subset of the evil Baby Boomers.

    I prefer comfortable motels or B&Bs…hopefully with pillow top mattresses…

  209. Grigory M

    my temperament was like William Foster (Falling Down).

    Did you hit anyone with a baseball bat?

  210. Motelier

    So a RC into

    (1) Royal Commission into the Home Insulation Program

    (2) Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption

    (3) HSU

    (4) Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

    Which one will the ALPBC focus on?

  211. Dot, Grey Nomads are a subset of the evil Baby Boomers.

    Rule #1 of the road, steer well clear of any vehicle that is sporting Victorian number plates.

  212. .

    They didn’t try to get my briefcase, so no one got hurt.

  213. Delta A

    Most were complete bastards on the road…

    And that’s by choice. Considerate RV drivers or ‘vanners will have their uhf radio on, helping faster vehicles overtake safely. And they do not drive at peak times, able as they are to travel whenever.

    And Calli, yes, comfortable motels and B&Bs are certainly the way to go, but too expensive for people who have a lot to see and limited time in which to see it.

  214. Grigory M

    Leaving the car in the middle of the grid-lock was not good, but.

  215. jupes

    ESSENDON players have been issued with show-cause notices for doping.

    I’m making the call early.

    Zero convictions for doping. (After obligatory lawyer’s picnic).

  216. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Anybody watching the Royal Commission live, tell me whether the matter of a Power of Attorney came up? If it had been witnessed correctly, or not?

  217. .

    Rule #1 of the road, steer well clear of any vehicle that is sporting Victorian number plates.

    Mein gott. How did you know?

  218. Baldrick

    Somehow, I don’t think the Leftard’s hatred of Tony Abbott, embarrassing Australia with Osama Obama, is going to pan-out as they planned:

    President Obama looks forward to welcoming Prime Minister Tony Abbott of Australia to the White House on June 12, 2014.
    The two leaders will discuss a range of issues of mutual interest, such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership, Australia’s leadership of the G-20 this year, the future of Afghanistan, and the growing bilateral defense relationship, including the rotation of U.S. Marines through Darwin. They will also address some of the most serious security issues that confront both Australia and the United States, including Syria, Russia’s actions in Ukraine, North Korea, and the security and stability of the Asia Pacific region.
    Australia is a valued friend and stalwart ally, and the President looks forward to working with Prime Minister Abbott to deepening U.S.-Australia cooperation on these and other issues.

    But the ABC said ….

  219. Motelier

    calli

    #1344596, posted on June 12, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    Dot, Grey Nomads are a subset of the evil Baby Boomers.

    I prefer comfortable motels or B&Bs…hopefully with pillow top mattresses…

    Grey Nomads usually use truck stops, parks, and similar places to overnight. All free of charge.

    There is a roadside stop on the Bruce Highway funded by a local council. A privately run caravan park is on the other side of a river.

    The roadside stop is full, the caravan park has vacancies each night.

    Why should the proprietor of the caravan park pay rates to the local council?

    On a nicer note calli,

    And breakfast delivered to your room with out you having to cook it.

    The luxuries of life are many and varied.

  220. Mein gott. How did you know?

    Lifelong experience, it works every time.

  221. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    in fact it is this device to which Arthur C Clarke was referring when he said that “sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”

    Nah, Tinta. That is not some silly Thermomix thinggie, that is aeroplanes. They are pure magic (completely incomprehensible as to their workings and better by far than aerial carpets); they fly in the air and take you to mysterious and fascinating places.

  222. Grigory M

    Yamba Iluka, Delta – nice place, at the mouth of the Clarence River – good fishing there.

  223. President Obama looks forward to welcoming Prime Minister Tony Abbott of Australia to the White House on June 12, 2014.
    The two leaders will discuss a range of issues of mutual interest, such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership, Australia’s leadership of the G-20 this year, the future of Afghanistan, and the growing bilateral defense relationship, including the rotation of U.S. Marines through Darwin. They will also address some of the most serious security issues that confront both Australia and the United States, including Syria, Russia’s actions in Ukraine, North Korea, and the security and stability of the Asia Pacific region.
    Australia is a valued friend and stalwart ally, and the President looks forward to working with Prime Minister Abbott to deepening U.S.-Australia cooperation on these and other issues.

  224. Motelier

    calli

    #1344596, posted on June 12, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    Dot, Grey Nomads are a subset of the evil Baby Boomers.

    I prefer comfortable motels or B&Bs…hopefully with pillow top mattresses…

    Grey Nomads usually use truck stops, parks, and similar places to overnight. All free of charge.

    There is a roadside stop on the Bruce Highway funded by a local council. A privately run caravan park is on the other side of a river.

    The roadside stop is full, the caravan park has vacancies each night.

    Why should the proprietor of the caravan park pay rates to the local council?

    On a nicer note calli,

    And breakfast delivered to your room with out you having to cook it.

    The luxuries of life are many and varied.

  225. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    and take you to mysterious and fascinating places.

    I should add, on the other hand, of course, they also go to Manchester, and in Australia, Melbourne.

  226. Delta A

    Oh, yes, Grigory. I am the fisherman in the family. I love 4.30am on a jetty… especially on the banks of the Clarence. The most fabulous river in Australia. We feel blessed to be here.

  227. But, but, but, I thought Abbott666 was the coarse bumbling undiplomatic buffoon who was going to ruin our international relationships.
    Heck, isn’t he such a dunderhead that some of our former allies were going to go to war against us over what a dickhead Abbott666 is?

  228. Grigory M

    the coarse bumbling undiplomatic buffoon

    That would, in fact be Hockey – first name Joe – the salesman? – kept at home for obvious reasons.

  229. Delta A

    We pay our way, Mote. Full price at the local tourist park.

    Sure there are a lot of cheapskate travellers out there, but I’m tired of being tarred with the same brush. After one week in Yamba we’ve already contributed well over $1,ooo.oo to the local economy in site fees (for the month,) fuel, hairdresser, doctor and supermarket. And this is the pattern for every community we visit.

  230. calli

    Rule #1 of the road, steer well clear of any vehicle that is sporting Victorian number plates.

    Mein gott. How did you know?

    Of course, our Victorian Cats, whilst being speed demons (in Audis) would be courteous and civil. That is a given.

  231. Delta A

    Furthermore, this quality tourist park is chokkas with similar retirees paying similar amounts towards this community’s prosperity.

  232. Motelier

    A couple of years ago the northern motel had an old couple stay for 7 nights (ground floor, no bath, table and chairs, and wifi access.

    Driving a Chrysler 300C CRD they were just travelling where they wanted to go.

    Using motels, they would stay for 7 nights, get the washing done at one of our contractors, room service each night and breakfast in the mornings.

    They believed it was cheaper to do it that way.

    Oh. He was 95 and she was 87.

    Good luck to them. I still believe they are travelling out great continent.

  233. Motelier

    DeltaA.

    I was not putting you in that class. It was an observation of mine that I see regularly.

    We all need to contribute to the economy. And the RV/Caravan Park owners are now really providing great service.

  234. Grigory M

    no bath

    They were English, then?

  235. wreckage

    Then there are smarmy, egg all over their face wags and conservatives who ramble on about “realism” and other phony shit in rather unhinged rants about why libertarian policies can never work

    Go in hard, assure total victory, or do not go at all, is an arch-conservative position as well. I’m really not sure who was advocating a weak-as-piss approach that sacrifices young soldiers for no actual gain, but I suspect it was people who hate soldiers…

  236. Motelier

    out = our

    I hate my keyboard

    I really do

  237. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Baldrick:

    Somehow, I don’t think the Leftard’s hatred of Tony Abbott, embarrassing Australia with Osama Obama, is going to pan-out as they planned: etc

    What’s truly hilarious is that they actually think – are convinced – that the Preshizzle (Paco™) is serious about cli-fi.

    When anyone who has studied the the Preshizzle’s (Paco™) MO for more than six minutes understands full well that thisis just another ‘LOOK!! SHINY!!! distraction to draw attention from the utter disaster unfolding in Iraq… and Bergdahl… and …

    The only person in the Preshizzle’s (Paco™) universe is himself. This is a ‘man’ who named his dog after himself.

    You just can’t get any more shallow or narcissistic than that.

  238. Motelier

    Grigory M

    A bath is hard for oldies to get in and out of.

    We have room combinations of shower only, shower over bath, bath and shower, and spas.

    Sorry for the confusion. They only needed an ensuite with a shower and toilet. It gives them extra room.

  239. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    wreckage – that strategy is called the ‘butcher and bolt’. it’s time-tested. The Romans… hell, Sargon the Great used it.

    And it works against any barbarian.

  240. I might go and live in Japan.

    Do It.

    It’s a great place & pretty easy to get around, with the exception of Tokyo which is a nightmare to drive through.

  241. Grigory M

    No confusion, Motelier – just my poor attempt at humour.

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