Thursday Forum: June 12, 2014

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  1. Snoopy

    Possibly its his army training, but Campbell Newman is alone among senior LNP politicians in understanding that unless the infestations of leftist ideology are first identified and neutralised, everything else is a waste of time. Maybe a temporary improvement at best.

    It seems he views crime in the same way and that explains why he is going after outlaw bikies.

  2. kae

    Horror movie on TV now.

    Awful.

    Bog man.

    Someone was just decapitated and the head breathed out after being cut off.

    Bog man is picking them off one by one.

    I might need to go to bed.

  3. DrBeauGan

    3 pi not 6 pi. Blame the full moon.

  4. Aristogeiton

    “Thanks to Judge Carmody’s work, Queensland now has a roadmap to revitalise frontline services and make this state the safest place to raise a child, which the Government recently backed with an historic $400 million reform package in the State Budget”.

    Cheer on the bureaucrat! He’ll make all your idiot dreams come true.

    Sure, he may have minimal or no experience in commercial law (yes, our Supreme Court’s trial division doesn’t just hear criminal matters, and the Court of Appeal more than sentencing appeals), and admits that he is never the “smartest lawyer in the room”, but that kind of shit you can pick up pretty easily.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Clobbering a baby to death a month or so prior to birth is perfectly fine.
    As long as you’re a doctor.

    Important distinction. The woman whose body is undergoing the medical procedure must agree to the procedure, even demand it.
    Very important distinction.

    No it isn’t, at that stage, Steve at the Pub. It is still killing a fully-developed baby. The baby’s rights overtake the mother’s at that point in my view, except in the case of an unavoidable need to cause injury to the child to save the mother’s life, in childbirth or before it. And some things actually are unavoidable, no matter how much we may wish it were not so; not all moral lines can be neatly drawn.

    We’ve visited all this on the Cat before, with the usual lack of resolution. I can’t support a ‘choice’ of mid or late trimester abortion; and support early abortion, in the first trimester, only in specific cases, each individual in nature, and carefully thought through by the woman concerned; thus rare. I feel this only out of a respect for human life and not for any religious reason. For the same reason, I am against the judicial killing that is involved in the death penalty, because all humans have emotions and redemptive capacities, imho. Doesn’t mean I am against punishment or justice per se.

    There now, I have said my piece and I haven’t wanted to open any floodgates on this ‘life and death’ stuff, as it definitely does the Cat no good at all, again imho. Position-taking I think is OK, but the floodgates of abuse are not. I know others have views that differ to mine in small and large ways. I respect their views too but hold firm to my own. As one should, if they are well-considered views.

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Bog man.

    Kae, I saw a few of the ‘bog people’ in the National Museum of Ireland the other day; very sad in reality. People slaughtered for ritual purposes, by a frightened population, in order to placate gods.

    Much more fun to visit the Book of Kells, held within the University, and to reflect on the lives of scholarship and self-sacrifice that produced such a remarkable documentation of literacy and aesthetic expression. It was such human endeavors as this that helped to keep alive the written word during the Dark Ages and certainly must have raised the spirits of many in depressing times.

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B – saw the Museum of Dublin years ago. When the Vikings took Dublin, they sold the Irish as slaves, in the slave market that the Vikings set up. When the Irish recaptured Dublin, they sold the Vikings as slaves in the same market….

    “Right, we all remember Olaf the Unwashed….do I hear three gold pieces? Two gold pieces? Take him home, and have him cleaning the pig – pens?

  8. No it isn’t, at that stage, Steve at the Pub. It is still killing a fully-developed baby. The baby’s rights overtake the mother’s at that point in my view, etc etc etc

    Lizzie, all that you said is beside the point.

  9. brc

    There now, I have said my piece and I haven’t wanted to open any floodgates on this ‘life and death’ stuff, as it definitely does the Cat no good at all, again imho. Position-taking I think is OK, but the floodgates of abuse are not. I know others have views that differ to mine in small and large ways. I respect their views too but hold firm to my own. As one should, if they are well-considered views.

    I admire and agree with your position, in the main. Stand by for open floodgates though.

    Some days this website is an unpleasant place to read and drifts so far away from the interesting discussions you wonder whether it will ever come back. Some people just want to argue endlessly about topics which will have no resolution. Bring back the dedicated threads I say, for they allowed each to stick to their own.

  10. Pickles

    If the mere announcement of Carmody as CJ has caused the release of this much woe and wee wait until he gets going. First call over will be a doozy.

  11. Sure, he may have minimal or no experience in commercial law (yes, our Supreme Court’s trial division doesn’t just hear criminal matters, and the Court of Appeal more than sentencing appeals), and admits that he is never the “smartest lawyer in the room”, but that kind of shit you can pick up pretty easily.

    Not being the “smartest lawyer in the room” still puts him miles ahead of being “the most proactive ALP/left/green activist judge in the room”

    Carmody is the right man, no doubt about it.
    The Australian Lawyers Alliance are screeching about Carmody.
    If that bunch of mendicant oxygen thieves are unhappy, that’s all you need to know. Carmody must be a good choice.

  12. dover_beach

    Lizzie, all that you said is beside the point.

    I think you need to be more clear than as to what you think is the morally relevant point.

  13. Robert Blair

    Lizzie:

    There now, I have said my piece

    And very well said Lizzie B.

  14. Robert Blair

    Dover_Beach:

    Cardinal Pell has some interesting stories about the topic at hand, in his collections of essays.

    Those who haven’t read Pell assume they know what he will be saying, but I think they will be surprised at what he does say.
    Both sides of this argument will be surprised.

  15. Tintarella di Luna

    Good morning gatti

    Otherwise occupied last night but thanks Motelier I loved the Moonshine Rock number, brought back some hilarious memories of the grappa still — I learned about the Liebig condensor at a very early age – aptly named too I thought. Copperhead Road great song and we had quite a few copperheads to deal with out our way, way back when..

  16. I think you need to be more clear than as to what you think is the morally relevant point.

    No, I can’t be any clearer.
    To recap (for those who didn’t read the thread or something)
    CL said that you can bump off 8-month foetesus with impunity, provided you’re a doctor.
    I pointed out that bumping off an 8-month old foetus could only done with impunity by a doctor provided there was collaboration with the getstational carrier (the woman).

    Simple. Anybody else has comprehension issues, I’ll cheerfully type it again, only a whole-lot-more-slowly-which-may-help.

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