Sentences from another dimension

Since the end of World War Two, when the international community established the public institutions of capitalist prosperity, we have thought that high youth unemployment is a bad thing, that homelessness is to be deplored and that poverty is a social evil to be remedied.

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52 Responses to Sentences from another dimension

  1. notafan

    public institutions of capitalist prosperity,

    What are these public institutions?

  2. Andrew

    Do I sell my body, become homeless, or just deliver this bit of ice to cover the cost of my rent?

    How about Option 4: Enrol in a recognising training course, which would qualify me for support under “learn or earn”?
    Option 5: Move to an area where there is a shortage of low-skilled labour paying very high incomes

    Doesn’t get considered at all? Does this hypothetical young person quickly rule out the latter two, and just evaluate the relative merits of the first 3?

    This is the quality of our unis today.

  3. Andrew

    BTW if you want to see the sewer that our taxes are paying for at The Conversion, check out the responses to Andrew Gilmour. They’re practically called him a rapist for calling out some long-term dole bludgers.

  4. Tel

    Where else has a government worked to consciously send its citizens into poverty?

    Detroit, Seattle, most of California, Tasmania, you could probably include Greece, and maybe Spain.

  5. Infidel Tiger

    public institutions of capitalist prosperity,

    What are these public institutions?

    Centrelink?

  6. Tel

    IT: he means the institutions that were made possible after we achieved capitalist prosperity.

  7. notafan

    Centrelink?
    Well I was thinking the Welfare State so Centreling sounds just about right.

  8. Pyrmonter

    Olga Bursian’s “disclaimer” really is disingenuous:

    UNSW social work graduate, worked in social policy research and advocacy around poverty, labour market issues, public services, and family support service systems. In multicultural services sector in management, community development and cross cultural training. PhD about immigrant women’s agency and use of public services.
    Teach social policy and history of the welfare state to undergraduates and regional community development to post graduates across disciplines.
    My speciality is the nexus between state policy repertoires and people’s daily lives.

    She is an experienced welfare apparatchik and activist; yet disclaims any personal interest in further welfare provision. Go figure.

  9. Eddystone

    The date for Brisbane G20 draws near and I am feeling so embarrassed.

    Good to know.

    Now eff off.

  10. Pete of Freo

    “The United States is among the world’s most unequal nations.”; which explains why so many thousands of people from apparently more equal nations are desperately trying to get there, and, look out,”there is an international research consensus”, a research consensus no less. No wonder she’ll be so embarrassed
    Olga, in answer to your questions: Sell some of the ice to part-pay your rent, stay home and have the rest, you’ll never sell that body, but you could give it away if you’re whacked enough.

  11. Infidel Tiger

    “The United States is among the world’s most unequal nations.”

    North Korea perhaps the most equal.

  12. entropy

    Bloody klepto-marxist.

  13. Eddystone

    The comments on that thread are almost a caricature of self-satisfied lefties patting themselves on the back for their moral superiority.

  14. bobby b

    Every day – every single day – I get down on my knees and I thank God that the international community has established public institutions of capitalist prosperity for us.

    It’s a tribute to the selflessness of these people of the international community that I cannot think of one single instance where any public institution of capitalist prosperity has been established by anyone remotely connected with the international community.

    Imagine doing such good works and then keeping your name out of it so completely.

    They just give and give and give . . . .

  15. Old School Conservative

    Olga Bursian’s sweeping generalisation that Australia’s convict forebears resorted to theft to eat bears deeper analysis. To start, Wikipedia list numerous convicts who resorted to (gasp) hard work, entrepreneurial activity, and wealth generation.
    Imagine if the yoof of 2014 tried to emulate Francis Greenway, Billy Blue, or Solomon Wiseman.

  16. ar

    So… before WWII we though youth unemployment, homelessness, and poverty weren’t all that bad… it took the public institutions of capitalist prosperity to change our minds… either that, or the war… ???

  17. Token

    Since the end of World War Two, when the international community…

    I think they are referring to the Anglosphere and a few other colonial powers, of which only the Anglosphere had functioning democracies.

  18. Token

    So… before WWII we though youth unemployment, homelessness, and poverty weren’t all that bad… it took the public institutions of capitalist prosperity to change our minds… either that, or the war… ???

    Maybe this is a very clumsy way of contrasting to the way the young bucks were looked after before the war.

  19. Spider

    What is it the Leftards and their “embarrassment”?

    Do they lie in bed at night tossing and turning agonising about condemnation by the “international community”. Threatening to leave Australia because Abbott666 is in power?

    They seriously don’t have much to worry about do they?

  20. JohnA

    My speciality is the nexus between state policy repertoires and people’s daily lives.

    Oh, around this house that kind of person is usually called a Nanny-State interfering busybody.

  21. Looks like the CSIRO has way too much money to splash around. Penalise them with a 500% slash of what they gave these bludgers in the next budget. If they don’t get the message, double it next year.
    You wouldn’t have to explain it, they’ve got all the big ‘eds to figure it out.

  22. Andrew

    public institutions of capitalist prosperity

    That is one fine example an oxymoron!

  23. Johno

    UNSW social work graduate, worked in social policy research and advocacy around poverty, labour market issues, public services, and family support service systems. In multicultural services sector in management, community development and cross cultural training. PhD about immigrant women’s agency and use of public services.
    Teach social policy and history of the welfare state to undergraduates and regional community development to post graduates across disciplines.
    My speciality is the nexus between state policy repertoires and people’s daily lives.

    This is a woman who has spend her adult life suckling on the taxpayer’s teat. It is in her self interest to propagate this crap. If people stop believe it, she will be out of a job.

    So too would the trolls who run The Conversation.

    You taxes at work.

    Read and weep.

  24. Tel

    North Korea perhaps the most equal.

    … based on official statistics of course.

  25. Petros

    Did you see Bolt write that libertarians wanted Muslim extremist detainees released?

  26. Tom

    Where else has a government worked to consciously send its citizens into poverty?

    The art of being a big government lefty moocher is to be able to reel off gargantuan lies as if they’re motherhood statements.

    The last thing they do is to take account of the incredulity of the politically disengaged masses when they’re lied to.

    In order to pull off the lie, it is first necessary to believe, without a shadow of a self-conscious doubt, that ordinary people are stupid. Ordinary people they are simply trusting — that tax-eating public employees in academia like this one (from a third-rate regional campus) are not trying to destroy our existing civilisation and its institutions, when in fact, they are.

  27. Roger

    States now have “policy repertoires”? Good grief.

  28. Crossie

    Since the end of World War Two, when the international community…

    …decided to take our money by force and give it to whomever they thought deserved it. We couldn’t be trusted to give enough to charity.

  29. Tel

    We couldn’t be trusted to give enough to the correct charity.

  30. Eyrie

    I got banned at The Conversation for calling Ove Hugh-Guldberg a rider on the academic gravy train and the IPCC a bunch of UN tax eaters. Precious little petals over there can’t stand the truth.

  31. nerblnob

    Option 5: Move to an area where there is a shortage of low-skilled labour paying very high incomes

    Where there’s muck, there’s brass.

  32. Gab

    Do they lie in bed at night tossing and turning agonising about condemnation by the “international community”.

    I really do hope they do. Every single night.

    Threatening to leave Australia because Abbott666 is in power?

    If only they would!

  33. gabrianga

    Things are looking up.

    ABC headlines screams that “Tasmanian forests future to be decided in Qatar

    Why Qatar?…… Found it.

    It’s “women’s secret business” combined with World Heritage Committee against the Australian Government

    Piss them off Mr Abbott . Tell them we are capable of managing our country without the aid of the U.N and its regressive supporters.

  34. Tel

    Tell them we are capable of managing our country without the aid of the U.N and its regressive supporters.

    Tell them that if they take control of Tasmania, they will be forced to keep it.

  35. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    She’s never heard of Surjit Bhalla, then. She desperately needs to read his Imagine There’s No Country: Poverty, Inequality, and Growth in the Era of Globalization (2002). Which work proves that capitalism and globalisation has lifted the vast bulk of the entire human race out of poverty since 1800.

    But she’d have to be A/ literate and B/have a functional intellect to read Bhalla.

    The woman’s an ill-educated, semi-literate, ignorant buffoon.

  36. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Oh, this book is online: http://bookstore.piie.com/book-store//348.html

    I heartily recommend it.

  37. manalive

    Ms. Bursian links to a previous article by Peter Whiteford showing Australia’s GINI coefficient trends since 1981.
    According to that graph (broadly) as the government sector expanded during the Hawke-Keating years Australia’s GINI coefficient rose from below 0.28 to just above 3, was steady above 3 during the Howard years (which were not particularly ‘austere’), then rose sharply with the Rudd-Gillard ‘stimulus’ years to 0.34, all of which seems to contradict her basic assumption that more government spending necessarily results in greater equality.

  38. wreckage

    Look, here’s the simple thing if you’re talking to a somewhat leftish person with an actual brain:

    “Mate, have a look at the poorest countries. Have a look at the richest. Which ones are hooked into the globalized capitalist market system, and which aren’t?”

    It’s nice and simple and doesn’t force an interpretation. Is trade GOOD? Is trade EVIL? Whatever: one thing for sure is it is NOT a method for creating poverty.

  39. Tel

    manalive: and note the thing that turned around the GINI, and brought it back down again: recession!

    We see a peak in that chart for 1985-1986, and a stock market crash on “Black Monday” 1987 leading to a dip in the GINI. Then another peak in the chart for 2007-2008 and of course the GFC brought it back down again. The overall trend is upwards regardless of the politics, suggesting something bigger is underway.

  40. Dan

    OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurría is worried most of all about “scarring”, the damaging effects of experiences of poverty and unemployment for young people, which severely lessens lifelong earnings and job opportunities.

    When was this nonsense invented? Refugees from say Nazi Germany and Allende Chile seem to have overachieved following their impoverishment rather than failed economically.

  41. Bruce of Newcastle

    All public institutions by their nature become anticapitalist, because of the nature of homo progressivitis which colonises the unfortunate host until the parasites fully take over the creature leaving only an empty shell filled with useful idiots.

    The only known means of protecting against the infestation is to never form public institutions.

  42. MT Isa Miner

    Winston Smith

    #1347881, posted on June 15, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    Looks like the CSIRO has way too much money to splash around. Penalise them with a 500% slash of what they gave these bludgers in the next budget. If they don’t get the message, double it next year.
    You wouldn’t have to explain it, they’ve got all the big ‘eds to figure it out.

    Winston, Love thinking about those Big ‘Eds!

    Usually I’m Rabz doctrine all the way but maybe we could keep 10% of the CSIRO? Someone did do some work back when. Ohh look at the photo, lots of white Anglo Men using their Big ‘eds just because they can.

    Overall the research organisation had raked in $430 million in royalties that were claimed in 2009 and 2012, and apart from outstanding revenue should it win ongoing legal action, the financial windfall has ended.

    For CSIRO, the wireless LAN (WLAN) project saw WiFi developed just when internet users were starting to log in using dial-up. It was a visionary project.

  43. Rabz

    Pathetic, Sinc – and you willingly associate yourself with these morons.

    I tried to read that (past the opening para above) and lasted about 10 (seemingly interminable) seconds.

    Dunderheads.

  44. Rabz

    but maybe we could keep 10% of the CSIRO?

    No frigging way.

  45. Tim Neilson

    She might be talking about Bretton Woods, the IMF, the World Bank etc. But I don’t know quite what they’d have to do with whatever point she’s trying to make.

  46. Rob MW

    “……public institutions of capitalist prosperity,….”

    Ahhhh…….. got it……….it’s the hard working printing presses at the community money printing shops. The public institution printed just enough money to pay for a capitalist to prosper as long as the now prosperous capitalist paid back, to the public institution, enough to pay for the upkeep of the printing presses.

    I take it that the poor author with the crook history theory about what WWII was actually about thinks that the public institution should now keep all the printed money and not allow any capitalist prosperity. Shit this person is a genius……..who would have thunk that that has never been done before ? – As per usual, she should lead by example and give all her own publically instituted prosperity back.

  47. Tel

    The only known means of protecting against the infestation is to never form public institutions.

    To the best of my knowledge, that’s never worked either.

  48. Tel

    For CSIRO, the wireless LAN (WLAN) project saw WiFi developed just when internet users were starting to log in using dial-up. It was a visionary project.

    Wrong. They took a patent on it speculatively, and all the development was done elsewhere by people who never even knew about that patent. Then the CSIRO popped back up again and asked for their share.

    It was indeed visionary, but completely unrelated to WiFi LAN.

  49. public institutions of capitalist prosperity

    That is one fine example an oxymoron!

    For Victoria it would be Jeff Kennett….

  50. entropy

    That’s right, they had the idea, patented it, but never developed it, which was done by doers in the USA.

  51. Andrew

    manalive: and note the thing that turned around the GINI, and brought it back down again: recession!

    No shit? You mean the people that own businesses and shares tend to be the rich, and are so disproportionately affected by recessions and stockmarket crashes? Well I never!

    Maybe we should have more of those.

    Now that you mention the Gini, I went to the trouble of looking it up for China when Their neocomm ABC blamed “capitalism” for Tiananmen protests. Turned out that since China let private individuals own the means of production, equality IMPROVED consistently from 1978 till 1989. And the effect was particularly strong in the coastal region, including Beijing!

  52. Andrew

    When was this nonsense invented? Refugees from say Nazi Germany and Allende Chile seem to have overachieved following their impoverishment rather than failed economically.

    Quite so. Discussing Estonia’s 2nd greatest export Sir Arvi Parbo on the other thread. In fact, the WWII refugees appeared to be a hard-working cohort that pursued further education and upskilling, and generally made strong contributions to the country. No evidence that experience of the war left them damaged bludgers. It seems they were keen NOT to repeat the experience of poverty, or see their descendants voluntarily embrace it. Same seems to be true of migrants from what had been poor Asian countries (SKr is not poor today, but was when the previous generation was growing up). Chineeeeeeze work hard, study hard and save hard.

    It seems to be only those countries infested with Regressives preaching victimology that this disease has taken told.

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